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Final Sunday is not going to be blazing hot, dry conditions this year

uNIVERSE mAN
06-05-2008, 04:16 AM
I've checked the weather forecast from a number of sources, and the predictions range from 18C to 22C, with a chance of rain, the conditions are going to be much better for Fed this year than the last three years, colder and damper.

Scotso
06-05-2008, 04:21 AM
Wasn't it cold and damp when he lost to Nadal in the SFs?

Mimi
06-05-2008, 04:25 AM
:bigcry::ras:

octatennis
06-05-2008, 04:25 AM
it is not better for federer, the ball will be heavier and that adapt much better to rafa's game.

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 04:25 AM
I've checked the weather forecast from a number of sources, and the predictions range from 18C to 22C, with a chance of rain, the conditions are going to be much better for Fed this year than the last three years, colder and damper.


it was cold, damp, and humid in Hamburg. Fed couldnt beat him at his peak but he is going to beat him while in decline.

it aint happening. forget about it.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-05-2008, 04:35 AM
tell me folks, what is the point of having a red shit grand slam tournament at all?

Nadal_Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:36 AM
Best conditions is when the wind blows the clay off the court making the court plays more like a hard court. Nadal has had his best French Open yet and the conditions have been cold and wet mostly. He struggled against Bellucci due to the strong wind making the court play faster.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:36 AM
tell me folks, what is the point of having a red shit grand slam tournament at all?
Same reason is having a green shit grand slam. ;)

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 04:41 AM
it is not better for federer, the ball will be heavier and that adapt much better to rafa's game.

affirmative. damp conditions actually favor Nadal as far as i am concerned. Fed gets a lot of mileage and free points with his serve. coupled with that is the fact that Nadal doesnt exactly have the most intimidating/aggressive return of serve.

damp conditions will take some of the sting out of Fed`s serve. additionally, it will be easier to wear Fed down from the ground.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-05-2008, 04:45 AM
affirmative. damp conditions actually favor Nadal as far as i am concerned. Fed gets a lot of mileage and free points with his serve. coupled with that is the fact that Nadal doesnt exactly have the most intimidating/aggressive return of serve.

damp conditions will take some of the sting out of Fed`s serve. additionally, it will be easier to wear Fed down from the ground.
The ball gets up higher to Fed's backhand when it is dry though. Like I said Nadal struggles the most when the wind blows a lot of the clay off the ground. I remember it happening 2 times on Chatrier. Against Mathieu and Bellucci.

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 04:46 AM
tell me folks, what is the point of having a red shit grand slam tournament at all?

so Fed and the Federereeeeeeeeeeeesians cant claim that he is GOAT.

octatennis
06-05-2008, 05:17 AM
The ball gets up higher to Fed's backhand when it is dry though. Like I said Nadal struggles the most when the wind blows a lot of the clay off the ground. I remember it happening 2 times on Chatrier. Against Mathieu and Bellucci.



right, now i get it if it is wet the clay became similar to the hamburg one, the ball bounce is lower.

Kolya
06-05-2008, 06:17 AM
In the damp conditions Federer will lose a lot of pace on his shots. Rallies will be long and fall into Nadal's game.

Even in this condition, Federer's BH will still suck anyways.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-05-2008, 06:33 AM
right, now i get it if it is wet the clay became similar to the hamburg one, the ball bounce is lower.
Not that low bouncing. The clay in Hamburg is different from RG. It won't be as high bouncing as the last 2 years against Fed in the RG finals. I think they use a heavier ball at RG as well, which is more spin friendly.

its.like.that
06-05-2008, 06:39 AM
guys, this is a stupid thread, don't post in here.

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 06:41 AM
In the damp conditions Federer will lose a lot of pace on his shots. Rallies will be long and fall into Nadal's game.

Even in this condition, Federer's BH will still suck anyways.


affirmative. its still one of the very best backhands going but it cant hold up under repeated attacks. most players lack the consistency needed to atttack Fed`s backhand.

Djokovic hurts him by driving the ball deep to his backhand while Nadal just plain wears him down so the mistakes can flow from his racquet. Fed is unable to attack or produce anything other than a somewhat defensive response off his backhand wing.

Habburg is a good indication of what is going to happen here. Nadal needed 3 hours and 3 minutes to dispatch Djokovic and at least 3 hours to get rid of Fed in the final.

Nadal gets a days rest and he will need it. more than likely he will need 4 hours to dispatch Djokovic and at least that much time to run down Fed in the final since these are best of 5 sets matches.

Nadal is not as talented/gifted as they (Fed and Djokovic) are so he has to use what works for him. its his superior will and his ability to wear down these 2 players that will be the order of the day.if his forehand is really on, it makes things a little easier as it allows him to open up the court.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-05-2008, 06:44 AM
affirmative. its still one of the very best backhands going but it cant hold up under repeated attacks. most players lack the consistency needed to atttack Fed`s backhand.

Djokovic hurts him by driving the ball deep to his backhand while Nadal just plain wears him down so the mistakes can flow from his racquet. Fed is unable to attack or produce anything other than a somewhat defensive response off his backhand wing.

Habburg is a good indication of what is going to happen here. Nadal needed 3 hours and 3 minutes to dispatch Djokovic and at least 3 hours to get rid of Fed in the final.

Nadal gets a days rest and he will need it. more than likely he will need 4 hours to dispatch Djokovic and at least that much time to run down Fed in the final since these are best of 5 sets matches.

Nadal is not as talented/gifted as they (Fed and Djokovic) are so he has to use what works for him. its his superior will and his ability to wear down these 2 players that will be the order of the day.if his forehand is really on, it makes things a little easier as it allows him to open up the court.
I totally disagree. It will be much easier here than it was in Hamburg. I doubt Nadal loses a set. It's obvious Nadal is much more comfortable at Roland Garros. (wet or dry) Djokovic and Federer have struggled more than they should. This shows they aren't as comfortable at Roland Garros as Hamburg.

Rogiman
06-05-2008, 06:50 AM
Hot, cold, dry, humid, summer or winter - the final will once again be boring and ugly to watch (like any match between these two) and the winner's identity never in doubt.

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 07:01 AM
I totally disagree. It will be much easier here than it was in Hamburg. I doubt Nadal loses a set. It's obvious Nadal is much more comfortable at Roland Garros. (wet or dry) Djokovic and Federer have struggled more than they should. This shows they aren't as comfortable at Roland Garros as Hamburg.


i hope i am wrong obviously but time will tell soon enough. it is much better for Nadal to get a decent test against Djokovic and get off the court in under 3 hours.

i am saying he can handle 4 hours against each of them with one day`s rest and may very well need that much time.

Kolya
06-05-2008, 07:17 AM
However the damp conditions may help Federer's slice if he has half a brain on how to use it against Nadal.

If Federer decides to volley, his volleys will stay lower and drop volleys will be more effective especially against Nadal's speed.

Jimnik
06-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Will be better for Nadal. Monte-Carlo is usually cold and damp whereas Rome is hot and dry. Federer's Hamburg win came after two weeks non-stop tennis for Nadal, not so much the weather conditions.

If Djokovic can take Nadal to a long 5th set, preferably on Saturday after a rain-soaked Friday, then maybe there's a chance.

scoobs
06-05-2008, 11:38 AM
I think cold damp conditions at Roland Garros help Roger in some ways and hurt him in others, but the key is that if it's cold and damp the shot won't get as high on the backhand and that is the biggest advantage for him because that is where Nadal directs 80% of his attack, and this outweighs other factors.

Nevertheless, I don't see the conditions themselves being much more than a slight influence on the match. The lower bounce may help Federer but far more necessary for him is a Nadal who is tired and not at his best. Otherwise Nadal will just work that bit harder to get to the same result.

dam0dred
06-05-2008, 02:15 PM
Hot dry conditions will make Nadal's ridiculous topspin forehands just zip through the court even faster.

The conditions don't matter, something very strange is going to have to happen for Nadal to lose this tournament.

tennizen
06-05-2008, 02:18 PM
Does Monfils prefer hot dry conditions or Djokovic?

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 03:25 PM
I think cold damp conditions at Roland Garros help Roger in some ways and hurt him in others, but the key is that if it's cold and damp the shot won't get as high on the backhand and that is the biggest advantage for him because that is where Nadal directs 80% of his attack, and this outweighs other factors.

Nevertheless, I don't see the conditions themselves being much more than a slight influence on the match. The lower bounce may help Federer but far more necessary for him is a Nadal who is tired and not at his best. Otherwise Nadal will just work that bit harder to get to the same result.


affirmative. that is pretty much spot on. i would just add that Nadal`s mental edge over Fed on clay is so great now that basically nothing matters. Nadal wants to hold on to his rank and his status as the King of Clay in a worst way here will grind Fed into dust for 6 hours if he has to. Fed knows that.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-07-2008, 05:48 AM
i hope i am wrong obviously but time will tell soon enough. it is much better for Nadal to get a decent test against Djokovic and get off the court in under 3 hours.

i am saying he can handle 4 hours against each of them with one day`s rest and may very well need that much time.
Half way there. Straight sets like I predicted and under 3 hours. I also predict Nadal to win in straight sets against Federer. We'll see how that goes. ;)

Burrow
06-07-2008, 05:11 PM
This clay death guy's a joker, thinks he knows more than the men himself, plus you said you were leaving this forum days ago :haha:

Burrow
06-07-2008, 05:14 PM
Half way there. Straight sets like I predicted and under 3 hours. I also predict Nadal to win in straight sets against Federer. We'll see how that goes. ;)

Thing is Nadal is only a force in a couple of months of the year whereas Federer is a force throughout. :worship:

star
06-07-2008, 05:16 PM
I think Nadal likes his shots to jump up high to Federer's backhand. So, this might favor Federer. Afterall, he's done well in Hamburg against Nadal with the heavier conditions.

GlennMirnyi
06-07-2008, 05:25 PM
Bullshit. This isn't affecting the outcome.

Please don't post more here.

Kuhne
06-07-2008, 05:57 PM
Only reason I want Rafa to lose is to see all those Raftards cry and give excuses instantly in the messageboards. other than that I don't care. it's a win win for me. if Roger wins, my favorite player wins. if Rafa wins, I make 500 bucks (not because Roger is my fav means Im puting money on him :) actualy it would be 600 bucks but 100 of those are going to Blaze if rafa wins but hey.. 500 bucks is not bad at all and if Roger wins, well im not geting any cash except 100 from Blaze (i would still be losing 500 bucks) but i wouldnt care one bit :)

Nadal_Fanatic
06-07-2008, 10:18 PM
Btw it is supposed to be sunny and 70 degrees tomorrow. 20% chance of rain. Looks like the forecasts is going in Nadal's favor. ;)

Clay Death
06-08-2008, 01:00 AM
Btw it is supposed to be sunny and 70 degrees tomorrow. 20% chance of rain. Looks like the forecasts is going in Nadal's favor. ;)


there is a 30% chance of showers overnight and 20% chance tomorrow.

you are right about the temperature. it should be around 71 degrees with relative humidity probably being around 80% which is what it is right now.

this should take some of the sting out of Fed`s serve. Fed is NOT going to get to hit a lot of forehands tomorrow unless he tries to run around his backhand all day.

this looks favorable for Nadal. Fed gets a set at best. the match belongs to Nadal.