Fed outdone Gonzo 2-6 6-2 6-3 6-4

So easy after the first set:eek:

It's not over yet :shrug: I'm still watching it live on Eurosport.

LOL, it's 30-0 in final game on ES

Are you kidding me? The match isn't even over. The SECOND LAST point wasn't even over when you posted this.

Those last three sets were vintage NinjaFed. Very nice to see!! :)

MonoGonzo vs Mediocre Fed. The result could be only one. Weak, weak Gonzalez.

What happened in the first set?

16 GS semis in a row :worship:
he played well the last 3 sets but Gonzo's form came dropping

should make the final with this sort of form

It's not over yet :shrug: I'm still watching it live on Eurosport.

It's not really LIVE, as they say. There's a 7 second difference (at least...).

This thread should get deleted.

It's not over yet :shrug: I'm still watching it live on Eurosport.

it's over. actually for live coverage, it's always a little late than the actual match.:)

I missed the first set and can only assume Gonzo was playing considerably better than he was in sets 2-4. Awful from him. Good enough from Federer :yeah:

I strongly doubt this person was getting it anywhere else.

First set Gonzalez played well and Federer seemed off his game. Afterwards Gonzalez started missing more and Federer played better

MonoGonzo vs Mediocre Fed. The result could be only one. Weak, weak Gonzalez.

Well, the stats say otherwise. Both players were playing really well for a claycourt match.

W/UE 68/29 Federer and 57/20 Gonzalez it's not like Gonzo made UE after UE. Weak may ass...

awful performance by gonzo

ALLEZ ROGER:worship:

just awesome tennis after that miserable 1st set....he is forgiven ;)

no contest.
if Novak doesn't make it to the final (probable case), I want Fed to win it. He deserves to win the Golden Slam and be the greatest ever. I think he will have to take it this year, if ever.

Those last three sets were vintage NinjaFed. Very nice to see!! :)

Vintage Fed against a big fighter like Gonzo:inlove: Almagro watch and learn from Gonzo how to lose in a GS QF:rolleyes:

I missed the first set and can only assume Gonzo was playing considerably better than he was in sets 2-4. Awful from him. Good enough from Federer :yeah:

Not only Gonzo was playing a lot better, but also Federer was playing a lot worse.

What happened in the first set?

Gonzo was in the zone, hit the lines and barely made an UE. Fed was patchy, not much seemed to work. After that set, Gonzo slightly dropped his level (more UE's), he still played good though and Fed raised his level as always.

Fed's numbers were impressive (including the awful 1st set)... GO FED!

First set stats show that González played great and Fed had more UEs than winners.

Then everything went back to normal. I think it's somewhat similar to AO07, but this time Gonzo was able to win a set.

Well, the stats say otherwise. Both players were playing really well for a claycourt match.

W/UE 68/29 Federer and 57/20 Gonzalez it's not like Gonzo made UE after UE. Weak may ass...


These stast are wrong :p

Gonzo was in the zone, hit the lines and barely made a UE. Fed was patchy, not much seemed to work. After that set, Gonzo slightly dropped his level (more UE's), he still played good though and Fed raised his level as always.

Slightly dropped his level? The parts of the match I watched he was dire. Federer must have been playing his worst match of all time to drop the 2st set if Gonzo's level only "dropped slightly" after the 1st.

Saw the last three sets

very pleases w. roger's game- serving well, forehand is big, really mixing it up with dropshots

should make for an interesting weekend

The shotmaking :hearts: :inlove: :drool:

Well done Rogi :worship:

Horrible first set but ended up being quite an easy match

by the way I loved how Federer implemented the net play more when things werent going his way, thats how he got back into the match, he should learn from this and use it against Rafa. he had some great volleying

:awww: Fernando :hug: Got my hopes up after that first set :lol: but had some shoulder problems-again. Good FO for him though :rocker2:

:hatoff: Roger-always a class act.

16 GS Semifinals in a row... this is one of those records that will never be broken again... amazing!

Just odd to have a top 30 professional male tennis player not develop a more potent backhand. It's not even a "neutralizing" or "rally" shot. And did any of those lobs work against Feds?

The shotmaking :hearts: :inlove: :drool:

Well done Rogi :worship:

See Adam, you have now seen the difference yourself. If you look at the last three sets today, you will see genius shotmaking from Fed that won him the match. Gonzalez is not a p**** in the category of Almagro.

These stast are wrong :p

As far as I could tell the stats were counted right in the 3rd and 4th set (not in the first though).

Well, the stats say otherwise. Both players were playing really well for a claycourt match.

W/UE 68/29 Federer and 57/20 Gonzalez it's not like Gonzo made UE after UE. Weak may ass...

That's right, this wasn't a bad match at all. In the first set, Gonzo sort-of blew Fed off the court - everything he tried worked out well, while Feds was subdued and looked like not really wanting to be there - lots of sloppy UEs.

In sets 2 - 4, Fed lifted his level of playing, more aggressive and more accurate, while Gonzo started to make more UEs. Halfway the second set I had no doubts that Fed would be the winner here. :rocker2:

Well Feds... you are nearly there! :D

Looked like Gonzo's shoulder was troubling him. He got treatment for it. Hope he's fine. :hug:

Slightly dropped his level? The parts of the match I watched he was dire. Federer must have been playing his worst match of all time to drop the 2st set if Gonzo's level only "dropped slightly" after the 1st.
What are you trying to pull ?

Took him a while to get his motor running but once he had, never in doubt.

Day of rest, and Monfils or Ferrer are unlikely to present a major challenge, in my view.

And then he'll be rolled by Nadal. But at least he will have defended just about all his clay court points this year, which is more than one might have expected when he stumbled to the Estoril title.

by the way I loved how Federer implemented the net play more when things werent going his way, thats how he got back into the match, he should learn from this and use it against Rafa. he had some great volleying
Absolutely, hope Roger rushes the net at every opportunity on Sunday. This Nadal can't pass from either wing.

Took him a while to get his motor running but once he had, never in doubt.

Day of rest, and Monfils or Ferrer are unlikely to present a major challenge, in my view.

And then he'll be rolled by Nadal. But at least he will have defended just about all his clay court points this year, which is more than one might have expected when he stumbled to the Estoril title.
So Djoker has no chance on Friday. :sad:

Well, the stats say otherwise. Both players were playing really well for a claycourt match.

W/UE 68/29 Federer and 57/20 Gonzalez it's not like Gonzo made UE after UE. Weak may ass...

:spit: :haha: :haha:

Did you get those off the RG site? The same one that had Gulbis making 82 winners yesterday, and Rafa hitting 26 winners in the first set (6-1) alone against Almagro?

Yeah, they're ever so slightly off.

now it's a trend for the JesusFed. Giving the first set to the enemy then back in track on the next sets.

He wants give us a little bit heart attack:(

by the way I loved how Federer implemented the net play more when things werent going his way, thats how he got back into the match, he should learn from this and use it against Rafa. he had some great volleying

Well said. I noticed the same - the more Feds plays aggressively and goes to the net, the better it works out. It's been like that during all of his matches at RG so far - at least that's what I think I've been seeing.

So Djoker has no chance on Friday. :sad:
3 straight sets for Nadal is my prediction.

These "ooh the last one was good, this will be a cracker" rematches rarely live up to the billing.

I reallu liked wat i saw from fed in the last 3 sets!.....Gonzo was hitting lines in the first set and once the second set started fed rushed to the net whenever he got a chance and gonzo's rythm went to chile....and thereby ended up making more errors in a hurry to finish the points....some really good volleys out there from fed today

Took him a while to get his motor running but once he had, never in doubt.

Day of rest, and Monfils or Ferrer are unlikely to present a major challenge, in my view.

And then he'll be rolled by Nadal. But at least he will have defended just about all his clay court points this year, which is more than one might have expected when he stumbled to the Estoril title.

Hope you found this match better to your liking than yesterday's QF:hug:

I can't believe what some people are writing here. Federer - Gonzalez was extremely boring. Even Monfils - Ferrer is better. In these last three sets they showed Fed played his mediocre tennis, while Gonzo was crap.

Took him a while to get his motor running but once he had, never in doubt.

Day of rest, and Monfils or Ferrer are unlikely to present a major challenge, in my view.

And then he'll be rolled by Nadal. But at least he will have defended just about all his clay court points this year, which is more than one might have expected when he stumbled to the Estoril title.

I don't think he gives a damn about the points. He wants that trophy. More than Sampras wanted it and I have this gut feeling it's going to be his this year.

Well I guess Fed woke up and took Gonzo out of his game. I'm surprised but happy for Fed.

What are you trying to pull ?

You have to understand by now!

The way Federer was serving in the last set and a half was incredible.I think he lost 1 point on serve in the 4th set

Hope you found this match better to your liking than yesterday's QF:hug:

Much better - but I have to say, it's not surprising - I like Federer's attacking and graceful play better in a one-sided encounter than Rafa's more prosaic, wear-em-down approach. I'd still rather have it competitive though.

I don't think he gives a damn about the points. He wants that trophy. More than Sampras wanted it and I have this gut feeling it's going to be his this year.

I know he doesn't. The points will have to be his consolation prize because I don't care how much he wants it, I don't see him lifting the title.

Gonzo was terrible once he lost that second set, he wasn't even trying early in the third.

Fed played some good defense in the late stages I thought.

Good tournament by Fena!!!

Thanks for all emotions!!

Federer' best match in RG 08. He threw his mugplay these days away, so he had after the first set an easy match. Gonzo looked a bit tired, too. Great 2 weeks! :)

I can't believe what some people are writing here. Federer - Gonzalez was extremely boring. Even Monfils - Ferrer is better. In these last three sets they showed Fed played his mediocre tennis, while Gonzo was crap.
Federer never plays a boring match :shrug:

Slightly dropped his level? The parts of the match I watched he was dire.

That's how I saw it. You should watch matches entirely in the future.

Much better - but I have to say, it's not surprising - I like Federer's attacking and graceful play better in a one-sided encounter than Rafa's more prosaic, wear-em-down approach. I'd still rather have it competitive though.


Did you enjoy Gonzo's play after the first set.

BTW 16 Grandslam Semifinals in a Row , 16 Grandslam Quarters in a Row, 10 Grandslam Finals in a Row.......A record tht speaks volumes abt Fed.....

:worship::worship::worship: Roger Federer :worship::worship::worship:

Did you enjoy Gonzo's play after the first set.


Much much much better than Verdasco and Almagro.....

That's how I saw it. You should watch matches entirely in the future.

I was working.

So Gonzo played about the same level in the 1st set than he did in sets 2-4?

Astonishing. I can not even begin to imagine quite how badly Federer must have played to lose that set 6-2.

Much better - but I have to say, it's not surprising - I like Federer's attacking and graceful play better in a one-sided encounter than Rafa's more prosaic, wear-em-down approach. I'd still rather have it competitive though.



I know he doesn't. The points will have to be his consolation prize because I don't care how much he wants it, I don't see him lifting the title.

I'm bookmarking this url... just in case I can make you eat your words ;)

Federer never plays a boring match :shrug:

U r right!....He doesn't Moonball the opponents standing 10 Feet behind the baseline.....

Federer never plays a boring match :shrug:

Yup. Even if it's a blowout he's a joy to watch. :hearts:

Much much much better than Verdasco and Almagro.....

Yep. At least he tried - not something I can say about Verdasco and Almagro, who seemed to have accepted their defeat the moment they entered the court. Which might well have been a very realistic way of looking forward to their upcoming matches... ;)

In the first set, all of Gonzo's attempts were successful - thereafter, no more. Of course that had quite something to do with Fed waking up, but it's not like Gonzo bent over just like that. It might also have had something to do with his shoulder troubling him... :shrug:

16 GS semis in a row

simply amazing :eek:

Gonzalez couldn't be asked today. His dropshots weren't working (they were not dropshots) and yet he'd try them on break points against him. Any brain behind those pretty eyes?

:haha: :haha:

Yep. At least he tried - not something I can say about Verdasco and Almagro, who seemed to have accepted their defeat the moment they entered the court. Which might well have been a very realistic way of looking forward to their upcoming matches... ;)


Nadal had to save a zillion breakpoints at the beginning of the second set. Who fought and who didn't is pretty subjective too:)

I'm bookmarking this url... just in case I can make you eat your words ;)
Very few people will be as happy as I will be if I am forced to eat those words, believe me.

But I don't see it happening.

3 sets won by Fed out of 12 at Roland Garros against Nadal. That's the pertinent stat here and nothing I have seen in 2008 suggests matters will be different this time around.

incredible, after last year's Masters Cup one could think Gonzales developed an 'usable' backhand, but he didn't. Today everything Roger tried on his backhand worked.

Anyway, Roger played smart from second set on, so gratz for him. IF he reaches the final, everything will depend on day form, but i'm still a BELIEVER!

There are other methods to cure boredom, posting nonsense merely for the sake of doing so doesn't necessarily have to be one of them.

incredible, after last year's Masters Cup one could think Gonzales developed an 'usable' backhand, but he didn't. Today everything Roger tried on his backhand worked.

Anyway, Roger played smart from second set on, so gratz for him. IF he reaches the final, everything will depend on day form, but i'm still a BELIEVER!
I'm more of a "forlorn hoper" than a believer these days :)

Nadal had to save a zillion breakpoints at the beginning of the second set. Who fought and who didn't is pretty subjective too:)

:lol: :hug:

Leave them to their :drool:

Fed;)Make ot to final!

:haha: :haha:

Wats all the frustration abt anyways?.....:lol::lol::awww::baby::baby:

I don't like Fed but I appreciate smart tennis over brainless bashing anytime. Gonzo is in the same league with Blake regarding use of the brain.

simply amazing :eek:


its easy when you have had nothing but clowns to play against. Gonzo is a complete joke.

Interesting match. Everything was so quick, there was never really any tension built up. Federer was poor in the first but Gonzalez took advantage well. Problem was, after Federer got the second and came back from 0-40 in the first game of the third, Gonzalez left the court mentally. He was still playing just about okay (though poor compared to previous performances) but he was not ready to really fight for the chance of a fifth. Federer was good enough to win, that's what counts.

So Gonzo played about the same level in the 1st set than he did in sets 2-4?


Slightly = Missing the lines by an inch etc.


Astonishing. I can not even begin to imagine quite how badly Federer must have played to lose that set 6-2.

You should download it, I somehow have the feeling you will like it.

16 GS Semifinals in a row... this is one of those records that will never be broken again... amazing!

:worship:Only one-Federer!

its easy when you have had nothing but clowns to play against. Gonzo is a complete joke.

He has AMS finals, a GS final, QF in all four GS and has some of the best peak performances you will ever see from any player. Gonzalez can put in dreadful performances but he is a very, very good player.

Nadal had to save a zillion breakpoints at the beginning of the second set. Who fought and who didn't is pretty subjective too:)

It is, and it will always be. ;)
Still I think Gonzo tried a lot harder than any of Raf's recent opponents. In the first set, it WORKED. But it's very hard to keep up that level of playing (expecially for Gonzo, who can be quite inconsistent to say the least) - and of course he wasn't facing a mug here.

its easy when you have had nothing but clowns to play against. Gonzo is a complete joke.


Get a Life!...Seriously!.....

its easy when you have had nothing but clowns to play against. Gonzo is a complete joke.

We know that by now. Everybody who gets beaten by Fed is a clown.
I'd say, why don't you try it yourself, then?

Karin, that pic of Roger and Rafa is very lovely. It almost looks like Rafa wants a kiss!

He has AMS finals, a GS final, QF in all four GS and has some of the best peak performances you will ever see from any player. Gonzalez can put in dreadful performances but he is a very, very good player.

You are trying to provide him a reason...Good luck!.....

There are other methods to cure boredom, posting nonsense merely for the sake of doing so doesn't necessarily have to be one of them.
Indeed, you could watch one the Federer's beatdowns from the last few years. An absolute joy :inlove: :hearts: :drool:

But just make sure you don't watch a Nadal beatdown by mistake. That would cause further boredom :mad:

Interesting match. Everything was so quick, there was never really any tension built up. Federer was poor in the first but Gonzalez took advantage well. Problem was, after Federer got the second and came back from 0-40 in the first game of the third, Gonzalez left the court mentally. He was still playing just about okay (though poor compared to previous performances) but he was not ready to really fight for the chance of a fifth. Federer was good enough to win, that's what counts.

It was in a way similar to Lopez's match in the USO...Fed won the 2nd set...and went 0-40 down in the first game of the 3rd set and once he came back from tht.....it was never in doubt in both the cases.....

Karin, that pic of Roger and Rafa is very lovely. It almost looks like Rafa wants a kiss!

Thank you, I like it a lot myself. :D

:haha: :haha:

Out in full troll-mode, I see. Anyone who thinks the matches from Nadal against Verdasco or Almagro were as entertaining and competitive as this match (or even more so) can't be taken seriously. But I guess that's not one of your goals, is it?!

Troll on.

He has AMS finals, a GS final, QF in all four GS and has some of the best peak performances you will ever see from any player. Gonzalez can put in dreadful performances but he is a very, very good player.

Agreed. However, he was poor in what I saw of this match.

Those drop shots :help:

Thank you, I like it a lot myself. :D

But the image resolution is so bad...

I hope they stand united by the time RG is over. Standing united as two people who have successfully won the RG title.

Little slow to warm up, after that- no real surprise. Not sure I buy the tough draw argument, but nicely done.

16 straight SF's is quite an accomplishment. :yeah:

easy

I was working.

So Gonzo played about the same level in the 1st set than he did in sets 2-4?

Astonishing. I can not even begin to imagine quite how badly Federer must have played to lose that set 6-2.

Look, you didnt watch the match but I can assure you that it was entertaining to watch. Gonzo maybe mentaly couldnt hang in there and play perfect tennis like in the 1st set and Federer played the best tennis I have seen from him this clay season after the 1st set. But Gonzo never had that "oh my, I have god in the other side of the court" face Almagro and Verdasco had no matter how unwordly shots Federer came up with.

Look, you didnt watch the match but I can assure you that it was entertaining to watch. Gonzo maybe mentaly couldnt hang in there and play perfect tennis like in the 1st set and Federer played the best tennis I have seen from him this clay season after the 1st set. But Gonzo never had that "oh my, I have god in the other side of the court" face Almagro and Verdasco had no matter how unwordly shots Federer came up with.

I did watch most of the match. I missed the first set, and about 3 games of the 2nd.

thats the Roger Federer we all know :worship:

great fight Gonzo, you gave us a great match today :)

too good Fed :yeah:

good run Feña, keep this the rest of the season

Gonzo's level dropped in the last three sets, but you can't say he gave up. He was still chasing down many points. I felt that the level on the first set could go back anytime in the match, but Federer just wouldn't let him. A misstep by Fed and Gonzo would've taken advantage of it. :shrug:

Anyway, I see there are very relevant comments made by Rafatards in this thread. :rolleyes: Yes, Fed's domination is enjoyable to watch for some because it is backed-up by a beautiful and very smart game and across all surfaces (though to less extent in clay). These same people may not like Nadal's clay domination because the game is not as beautiful and it's just on one surface. There's really nothing hypocritical about it. And that goes both ways.

Seriously, if you still don't want to let up, then hold your tongue the next time you feel the urge to complain about Karlovic being a serve-only mug.

:)

But the image resolution is so bad...

It's a screen shot a fellow lovely Fedal fan managed to capture from her HD recording... too good a shot to leave it unused. :D

I hope they stand united by the time RG is over. Standing united as two people who have successfully won the RG title.

:lol: - don't really think that's going to happen, no. But as long as both make it to the finals I'll be happy with whatever the outcome. Points defended, no Djoko as #2... all's well. :cool:

Well, the stats say otherwise. Both players were playing really well for a claycourt match.

W/UE 68/29 Federer and 57/20 Gonzalez it's not like Gonzo made UE after UE. Weak may ass...

Wow THANK YOU FOR THIS AWESOME POST!! Owned. Lock. Stock. Barrel. How pathetic that two players would have 77 more winners than errors and someone has the gall to say that it was a WEAK match. :eek::confused:

:spit:

It's a screen shot a fellow lovely Fedal fan managed to capture from her HD recording... too good a shot to leave it unused. :D



:lol: - don't really think that's going to happen, no. But as long as both make it to the finals I'll be happy with whatever the outcome. Points defended, no Djoko as #2... all's well. :cool:

Come on. If Federer gets to the final he has a chance. Even if it is only around 10%

Come on. If Federer gets to the final he has a chance. Even if it is only around 10%

He HAS a chance, indeed... but I'd rather say it's about 1% at the most. :cool:

He HAS a chance, indeed... but I'd rather say it's about 1% at the most. :cool:

You think Federer would only beat Nadal once in a hundred tries in a RG final. Come on...

Backhand and net play was more confident today.

You think Federer would only beat Nadal once in a hundred tries in a RG final. Come on...

I don't really think those statistics work that way here.
My estimation is based on what I saw the past 1 1/2 week. But of course I might well be wrong - if my predictions were correct all the time I'd be filthy rich by now. ;)

its easy when you have had nothing but clowns to play against. Gonzo is a complete joke.

clowns like Al mugre and Verdasco ?

He HAS a chance, indeed... but I'd rather say it's about 1% at the most. :cool:

You don't really think that...

You don't really think that...

Yes I do. Raf is the undisputable better player on clay, and I haven't seen anything the past 1 1/2 week that convinces me that Fed has indeed a reasonable chance against him. :shrug:

I don't really think those statistics work that way here.
My estimation is based on what I saw the past 1 1/2 week. But of course I might well be wrong - if my predictions were correct all the time I'd be filthy rich by now. ;)

It works that way. I should have specified that I was on about this 2008 RG Federer. Who I think would win between 8 - 12 times against Nadal out of 100 in a RG final. :cool:

It works that way. I should have specified that I was on about this 2008 RG Federer. Who I think would win between 8 - 12 times against Nadal out of 100 in a RG final. :cool:

:lol:

Well, it's too early yet - we might just see a Monfils - Djoko final coming Sunday, no? :p

Yes I do. Raf is the undisputable better player on clay, and I haven't seen anything the past 1 1/2 week that convinces me that Fed has indeed a reasonable chance against him. :shrug:

One thing you need to consider is that the way Fed has been playing is not the way he will play in an eventual final with Nadal.

It's a completely different level.

Typical Federer-Gonzalez match after the 1st set, Roger just knows how to play Gonzo. On another note, Roger has spent about 10 hours on court so far, roughly the same as Nadal, so there is no credibility to the "Nadal tired out in the final" hypothesis, even if Nadal's semifinal takes 3 hours longer than Roger's to complete.

The last three sets pretty much played out like 95% of the sets between these two. Gonzo has no chance to break and Fed wins one love or 15 game after another.

Typical Federer-Gonzalez match after the 1st set, Roger just knows how to play Gonzo. On another note, Roger has spent about 10 hours on court so far, roughly the same as Nadal, so there is no credibility to the "Nadal tired out in the final" hypothesis, even if Nadal's semifinal takes 3 hours longer than Roger's to complete.

Great minds...:)

the "Nadal tired out in the final" hypothesis, even if Nadal's semifinal takes 3 hours longer than Roger's to complete.
Did anybody bring up that hypothesis recently (this week) then?

I'm slightly sick of all the sarcastic comments from rafatards. Rafa dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for rafatards. Fed playing ballet tennis and dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for Fedtards and neutrals.

There in lies the difference. Deal with it.

Will you watch Scotland demolishing Faroe islands 5-0 or Brazil demolishing Trinidad & Tobago 5-0. Once plays beautiful football while the other plays long balls to tall strikers who head goals in ??

Nadal will NOT be tired. Period

I can't believe what some people are writing here. Federer - Gonzalez was extremely boring. Even Monfils - Ferrer is better. In these last three sets they showed Fed played his mediocre tennis, while Gonzo was crap.

i totally agree with U mate...

Did anybody bring up that hypothesis recently (this week) then?

I had in mind the discussions after the draw came out and Djokovic landed on Nadal's half, it would be surprising for that to come out this week, considering how Rafa's matches went.

I had in mind the discussions after the draw came out and Djokovic landed on Nadal's half, it would be surprising for that to come out this week, considering how Rafa's matches went.
Let's see and wait until it actually comes up before complaining about excuses, shall we?


Besides, Nadal never gets tired. If he appears to be tired, it's gamesmanship. Everybody on MTF knows that.

I had in mind the discussions after the draw came out and Djokovic landed on Nadal's half, it would be surprising for that to come out this week, considering how Rafa's matches went.

Let's see and wait until it actually comes up before complaining about excuses, shall we?


Besides, Nadal never gets tired. If he appears to be tired, it's gamesmanship. Everybody on MTF knows that.


Hilde, as far as I can remember it was the Federer fans who were hoping Nadal would play a 5-hour QF against Nalbandian and a ...7-hour SF against Djokovic. :lol: I'm sure Merton's intention was to warn them that things are not going to be that easy for RogiGOAT on Sunday so they shouldn't delude themselves and celebrate too much the demolition of Gonzo. Very cruel from his part but true. :shrug:

:lol:

Well, it's too early yet - we might just see a Monfils - Djoko final coming Sunday, no? :p

This scenario is quite likely. However I was only talking about hypothetical repeated RG finals between Federer and Nadal.

Monfils is the favourite for the tournament now. Nadal doesn't play so well against black men.



:p

Let's see and wait until it actually comes up before complaining about excuses, shall we?


Besides, Nadal never gets tired. If he appears to be tired, it's gamesmanship. Everybody on MTF knows that.

What excuses? I just mention a piece of information (time spent on court so far) that is relevant with respect to an hypothesis that came out after the draw was made.

Hilde, as far as I can remember it was the Federer fans who were hoping Nadal would play a 5-hour QF against Nalbandian and a ...7-hour SF against Djokovic. :lol: I'm sure Merton's intention was to warn them that things are not going to be that easy for RogiGOAT on Sunday so they shouldn't delude themselves and celebrate too much the demolition of Gonzo. Very cruel from his part but true. :shrug:
I'm sure those Federer fans meant it in the most positive way. Playing tough and long matches only makes Nadal stronger after all and he never gets tired anyway. Now, he hasn't been tested at all with all those mugs on his path. Very dangerous scenario for Rafa.



Wait a minute, Metis...http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein30.gif....you're not one of those evil sarcastic rafatards, are you?

This scenario is quite likely. However I was only talking about hypothetical repeated RG finals between Federer and Nadal.

Monfils is the favourite for the tournament now.

What?


Nadal doesn't play so well against black men.

How many black men has he lost against?

What excuses? I just mention a piece of information (time spent on court so far) that is relevant with respect to an hypothesis that came out after the draw was made.
A lot of nonsense is written when the draw comes out. You know that.

May I ask what urged you to post this "relevant" piece of information now since it hasn't been an issue this week?

What?




How many black men has he lost against?

umm. i can think 2 of them: Tsonga and Blake but they are not fully black tough....the hybrid:devil:.

I just started watching the 2nd set, and it was nice to see. You have to feel for Gonzo who was running like crazy. Playing Federer when he plays like he did today (not event at his best) must be bad for one's self esteem.

16 GS Semifinals in a row... this is one of those records that will never be broken again... amazing!

It is remarkable. Some will explain it by the weakness of the era, but I think we all know this is BS.

umm. i can think 2 of them: Tsonga and Blake but they are not fully black tough....the hybrid:devil:.

i just don't think it was a good comment to begin with. what does their skin color have to do with it?

i just don't think it was a good comment to begin with. what does their skin color have to do with it?

Yep, my feeling as well. :(

May I ask what urged you to post this "relevant" piece of information now since it hasn't been an issue this week?

What is the cause for the tone of this post?

Merton can post a stat and that's fine and yes it is useful information that Federer and Nadal have spent a similar time on court. It means the implications for even the possiblity of Nadal being pushed for a long time by Djokovic are not that bad. A four hour match would still leave Nadal having played just 14 hours which really isn't a great deal for a guy playing his style of play over six 5 set matches.

A lot of nonsense is written when the draw comes out. You know that.

May I ask what urged you to post this "relevant" piece of information now since it hasn't been an issue this week?

It was not nonsense when it came out. There were rain delays that were relevant, and there were potentially tough quarterfinal opponents on Nadal's quarter. Time spent on court is something that I always track, I can tell you for example that at this point in 2006 Nadal had 15 hours spent on court, even with a Djokovic retirement after the 2nd set.

I'm sure those Federer fans meant it in the most positive way. Playing tough and long matches only makes Nadal stronger after all and he never gets tired anyway. Now, he hasn't been tested at all with all those mugs on his path. Very dangerous scenario for Rafa.


Wait a minute, Metis...http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein30.gif....you're not one of those evil sarcastic rafatards, are you?

Of course not, I'm one of the good, serious Rafatards. :angel: :)


As for your theory, now that I think about it, you must be right. How could I ever think that Federer fans (a.k.a. the true tennis fans) would stoop to such a level and wish hardship for Roger's closest buddy? :inlove:


:p

i just don't think it was a good comment to begin with. what does their skin color have to do with it?

Yep, my feeling as well. :(

Whole world going PC insane?

It was just a throwaway comment. I bet you weren't getting edgy when people were saying that guys with 'nice' asses were beating Federer when it was clearly meant in the same way.

I hate how uptight people get about race. Every little comment referring to the colour of somebody's skin is racist these days. Comments like the one Hearts posted are not harming anyone.

Typical Federer-Gonzalez match after the 1st set, Roger just knows how to play Gonzo. On another note, Roger has spent about 10 hours on court so far, roughly the same as Nadal, so there is no credibility to the "Nadal tired out in the final" hypothesis, even if Nadal's semifinal takes 3 hours longer than Roger's to complete.
Considering how Rafa's been destroying his opponent and hwo Roger's already lost two sets, it's actually pretty funny :spit:

i just don't think it was a good comment to begin with. what does their skin color have to do with it?

Look at my post. I just reply that somebody else has asked before. There's nothin to do for what i've said, and i am not a hater for any races in this world.

edit: there's nothing wrong that i said there are black and white people in the world same with there's a night and noon in a day. So be calm a bit cause i didnt say anything bad about them. It's different when somebody said about "Gasgay" thing or whatever cause they are the one to blame

Time spent on court is something that I always track, I can tell you for example that at this point in 2006 Nadal had 15 hours spent on court, even with a Djokovic retirement after the 2nd set.

Interesting stuff and not really any surprise considering the marathon vs Mathieu and the fight vs Hewitt when contrasted with demolitions of Nieminen and Verdasco.

In the end though, I think for fatigue to affect one of the finalists there has to be a mixture of accumulated wear and tear (meaning a lot of hours overall) and a long SF match. Either that or if the finalists is a guy who is not usually very fit or is not used to being match tough for 14 days. At any rate, only Monfils I could see being troubled of the 4 semi finalists and his chances of being there on Sunday are slim.

It was not nonsense when it came out. There were rain delays that were relevant, and there were potentially tough quarterfinal opponents on Nadal's quarter. Time spent on court is something that I always track, I can tell you for example that at this point in 2006 Nadal had 15 hours spent on court, even with a Djokovic retirement after the 2nd set.


On a serious note, I think the information you provided is relevant. What I don't agree with in your original post is saying that Nadal playing a SF that lasts 3 hours more than Federer's SF will not have an effect on the final.

So let's say Nadal plays an arduous 5-6 hour match and Federer's SF lasts 2-3 hours. Do you really think it won't make any difference?

Whole world going PC insane?

It was just a throwaway comment. I bet you weren't getting edgy when people were saying that guys with 'nice' asses were beating Federer when it was clearly meant in the same way.

I hate how uptight people get about race. Every little comment referring to the colour of somebody's skin is racist these days. Comments like the one Hearts posted are not harming anyone.

When did I say it was a racist comment? I just said it wasn't a good comment.

Saying guys with nice assess beat Federer is clearly humorous, or at least not as contentious as bringing up skin color. Even if both comments are meant to convey the same idea.

When did I say it was a racist comment? I just said it wasn't a good comment.

Saying guys with nice assess beat Federer is clearly humorous, or at least not as contentious as bringing up skin color. Even if both comments are meant to convey the same idea.

edit: there's nothing wrong that i said there are black and white people in the world same with there's a night and noon in a day. So be calm a bit cause i didnt say anything bad about them. It's different when somebody said about "Gasgay" thing or whatever cause they are the one to blame

Raging, your comment wasnt a racist comment. But you're a bit too sensitive.

Interesting stuff and not really any surprise considering the marathon vs Mathieu and the fight vs Hewitt when contrasted with demolitions of Nieminen and Verdasco.

In the end though, I think for fatigue to affect one of the finalists there has to be a mixture of accumulated wear and tear (meaning a lot of hours overall) and a long SF match. Either that or if the finalists is a guy who is not usually very fit or is not used to being match tough for 14 days. At any rate, only Monfils I could see being troubled of the 4 semi finalists and his chances of being there on Sunday are slim.

Time on court has spent a role in the past, just to mention recent years it was a factor for Ferrero in 2002 and Costa in 2003, even though I don't think the outcome of these tournaments would be different otherwise. Still, it was a factor. I think total time on court is much more relevant than a long SF match by itself, the reason being that adrenaline alone plus the motivation of a final should be enough for a player to go. Another example here is Guga, played through two 5-set matches against Kafelnikov and Ferrero in 2000 but still coming through at the end.

edit: there's nothing wrong that i said there are black and white people in the world same with there's a night and noon in a day. So be calm a bit cause i didnt say anything bad about them. It's different when somebody said about "Gasgay" thing or whatever cause they are the one to blame

Raging, your comment wasnt a racist comment. But you're a bit too sensitive.

I have not read your post, and I was not really referring to it at any point.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about this. Let's get back to the topic of the thread.

Considering how Rafa's been destroying his opponent and hwo Roger's already lost two sets, it's actually pretty funny :spit:

It is not really surprising, considering that Roger spends less time between points on serve and that points themselves end up faster for Roger (on average) than for Rafa.

Federer never plays a boring match :shrug:

He does, but this wasn't it.

I have not read your post, and I was not really referring to it at any point.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about this. Let's get back to the topic of the thread.

Anyhow, that's all i have to say about this also. I dont care what you've written before. I just make sure that all posters in this forum know that im not a hater of any races.

good good

he's not gonna win this title but defending the points keeps that No.1 for a while longer = pissing of all the moany Rafa fans and their impatient little arses haha



keep it up Rogi

I'm slightly sick of all the sarcastic comments from rafatards. Rafa dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for rafatards. Fed playing ballet tennis and dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for Fedtards and neutrals.

There in lies the difference. Deal with it.


Will you watch Scotland demolishing Faroe islands 5-0 or Brazil demolishing Trinidad & Tobago 5-0. Once plays beautiful football while the other plays long balls to tall strikers who head goals in ??:spit:
since when where Scotland that good?

but i liked your first point :D

:spit:
since when where Scotland that good?

but i liked your first point :D

Nothing wrong with his posts, I think lot of neutral fans have talked excitedly about AO 2007 SF.

And I would definitely rather watch Brazil beating Trinidad and Tobago 5:0 than Scotland doing the same to Faroe Islands...

I'm slightly sick of all the sarcastic comments from rafatards. Rafa dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for rafatards. Fed playing ballet tennis and dominating a weak non-trying opponent will always be wonderful for Fedtards and neutrals.

There in lies the difference. Deal with it.

Will you watch Scotland demolishing Faroe islands 5-0 or Brazil demolishing Trinidad & Tobago 5-0. Once plays beautiful football while the other plays long balls to tall strikers who head goals in ??

:lol:

I hope the use of ballet tennis was ironic. If not, sorry for you :hug:

What is the cause for the tone of this post?

Merton can post a stat and that's fine and yes it is useful information that Federer and Nadal have spent a similar time on court. It means the implications for even the possiblity of Nadal being pushed for a long time by Djokovic are not that bad. A four hour match would still leave Nadal having played just 14 hours which really isn't a great deal for a guy playing his style of play over six 5 set matches.

Merton posted the information as an antidote to suggestions that Rafa will lose the Final due to tiredness. Castafiore was righly pointing out that no-one has said Rafa will be tired. Also he isn't in the final yet, and therefore hasn't yet lost it :shrug:

Talk about a cakewalk draw to the final for MonoFed

On a serious note, I think the information you provided is relevant. What I don't agree with in your original post is saying that Nadal playing a SF that lasts 3 hours more than Federer's SF will not have an effect on the final.

So let's say Nadal plays an arduous 5-6 hour match and Federer's SF lasts 2-3 hours. Do you really think it won't make any difference?

Well you can take everything to extremes. Of course a 5-6 hour match would make a massive difference but when discussing such things it is only natural to assume that such a long match won't happen. We can assume that Nadal will not be affected by fatigue in the same way I can assume I will miss the end of the match if it is starting at 3pm and I have to go out at 4pm.

It is hugely unlikely Nadal will be affected by fatigue for the final.

Merton posted the information as an antidote to suggestions that Rafa will lose the Final due to tiredness. Castafiore was righly pointing out that no-one has said Rafa will be tired. Also he isn't in the final yet, and therefore hasn't yet lost it :shrug:

It was a good post with some actual evidence for a point being made and no need to criticise it. One of the better posts in this thread.

Time on court has spent a role in the past, just to mention recent years it was a factor for Ferrero in 2002 and Costa in 2003, even though I don't think the outcome of these tournaments would be different otherwise. Still, it was a factor. I think total time on court is much more relevant than a long SF match by itself, the reason being that adrenaline alone plus the motivation of a final should be enough for a player to go. Another example here is Guga, played through two 5-set matches against Kafelnikov and Ferrero in 2000 but still coming through at the end.

Interesting ideas expressed here. How much relevance would say recency would have if the time spent on court overall was the same then? None or just a little? I mean take this:

1r - 1H30
2r - 2H
3r - 2H30
4r - 3H
Q - 4H
S - 4H30

Then imagine it the other way round. Obviously due to difficulty of matches in early stages these scenarios are extremely unlikely to happen, still interesting to discuss.

Certainly I would imagine the longer matches being more recent would have more of an affect on fitness for a potential final.

It was a good post with some actual evidence for a point being made and no need to criticise it. One of the better posts in this thread.
In your opinion :D

Read the post again (I have quoted it for your reading pleasure)

On another note, Roger has spent about 10 hours on court so far, roughly the same as Nadal, so there is no credibility to the "Nadal tired out in the final" hypothesis, even if Nadal's semifinal takes 3 hours longer than Roger's to complete.

Castafiore was asking why such a post is relevant :shrug: She has a fair enough point. I haven't seen anyone suggest that Nadal is going to be tired out in the Final should he make it. Even the most blind Rafa fangirl is aware he hasn't been spending as much time on court as he ususally does.

Castafiore was asking why such a post is relevant :shrug: She has a fair enough point. I haven't seen anyone suggest that Nadal is going to be tired out in the Final should he make it. Even the most blind Rafa fangirl is aware he hasn't been spending as much time on court as he ususally does.

It had been discussed earlier in the week and promoting discussion on the facts of what have happened so far this fortnight is not something to be criticised. The post is relevant because it relates to Federer and the nature of his future in this tournament which is part of what is discussed after someone wins a match.

It is simple. Casta was being defensive over nothing and you are going down the same path. As long as the discussion is interesting for those involved, is raising some good points and is on topic it should fit into the forum and doesn't need stifling.

It had been discussed earlier in the week and promoting discussion on the facts of what have happened so far this fortnight is not something to be criticised. The post is relevant because it relates to Federer and the nature of his future in this tournament which is part of what is discussed after someone wins a match.

It is simple. Casta was being defensive over nothing and you are going down the same path. As long as the discussion is interesting for those involved, is raising some good points and is on topic it should fit into the forum and doesn't need stifling.

:lol:

Okay, stebinator.

Interesting ideas expressed here. How much relevance would say recency would have if the time spent on court overall was the same then? None or just a little? I mean take this:

1r - 1H30
2r - 2H
3r - 2H30
4r - 3H
Q - 4H
S - 4H30

Then imagine it the other way round. Obviously due to difficulty of matches in early stages these scenarios are extremely unlikely to happen, still interesting to discuss.

Certainly I would imagine the longer matches being more recent would have more of an affect on fitness for a potential final.

There is no clear answer to this question. Guga in 2000 had easy matches early on and two five set matches in the quarters and semis. Then Gaudio in 2004 had tough matches early on, then played lights out in the quarters against Hewitt and faced an injured Nalbandian in the semis. Both of them came through. I think that having two days between matches is very important to recover, if one semi occured on Saturday due to a rain delay it could very well make a difference.

16 GS semis in a row :yeah:

Monfils could be a tough one for him.

I'm more of a "forlorn hoper" than a believer these days :)

Makes us two. Thankfully there's always Wimbledon, well at least for this year, he should be able to retain his kingdom. :unsure:

These guys are all in their early 20s except Fed who's only 26. A day or two rest at that age is plenty no matter how much time you're out there. Injury issues would have much more affect than mere fatigue. These are the most well conditioned athletes in the world and I always crack up with the fatigue talk. If any of these guys are suffering from fatigue, they need new coaches..

What?




How many black men has he lost against?

Give me a break. I was joking.

I am amazed people were bothered. I was referring to him losing to Tsonga at the Australian Open. It is irritating when people get irritated because a joke around for example the colour of ones skin rather than some other aspect.


What a load of tosh.

:o

What is the cause for the tone of this post?
Tone of my post? I was just asking a question, it was neither defensive nor insulting.
For me, it came out of the blue since it hasn't been an issue and Merton doesn't tend to say things out of the blue so I decided to ask him about it.

I know that Merton is MTF royalty in here but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything he says or that I can't inquire why he writes certain thing or did I not get the memo making you the person deciding what tone everybody should use on MTF? What about the tone you're using, oh you Pedantic One?

Sheesh stebs. Besides, I trust that Merton is a big boy and can handle a question from me on his own.

Tone of my post? I was just asking a question, it was neither defensive nor insulting.
For me, it came out of the blue since it hasn't been an issue and Merton doesn't tend to say things out of the blue so I decided to ask him about it.

I know that Merton is MTF royalty in here but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything he says or that I can't inquire why he writes certain thing or did I not get the memo making you the person deciding what tone everybody should use on MTF? What about the tone you're using, oh you Pedantic One?

Sheesh stebs. Besides, I trust that Merton is a big boy and can handle a question from me on his own.
Relax.

Relax.
I'm relaxed :shrug: and in my very zen state, telling stebs to please stop being pedantic but I might as well ask snow to stop being cold.

Watched the third set on a stream, awful tennis. Gonzo was just waiting for every opportunity to go for a wild forehand.

Tone of my post? I was just asking a question, it was neither defensive nor insulting.
I misinterpreted I guess but at the same time it was a pointless question which is why I assumed it was defensive. No point asking that question unless you had a problem with what Merton posted because it was an interesting post.

I know that Merton is MTF royalty in here but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything he says or that I can't inquire why he writes certain thing or did I not get the memo making you the person deciding what tone everybody should use on MTF? What about the tone you're using, oh you Pedantic One?

Sheesh stebs. Besides, I trust that Merton is a big boy and can handle a question from me on his own.
:lol: This could become a cyclic discussion because to me this post has an unfriendly tone also. :p

Anyway, Casta, say what you will but you were trying to quell a discussion that didn't need be quelled. That's all.

Edit: Irony of ironies for you to be calling me pedantic in this thread. :lol:

Four RG SF in a row.
16 GS SF in a row.

:)

I misinterpreted
:)


Anyway, Casta, say what you will but you were trying to quell a discussion that didn't need be quelled. That's all.
"quell"? :lol:
Nice touch, stebs.

How is asking somebody what urged him to mention something since it looked an out of the blue comment to me "quelling" a discussion? If I had told Merton to shut up, you would have a point. Asking somebody why he writes something is not quelling a discussion. Sometimes, it actually helps to understand why somebody writes something by asking him directly why he does so.
Perhaps it's a pointless question to you. Great. It wasn't for me. :shrug:

Federer played great the last 3 sets! His footwork was simply amazing!!! Moving faster and faster!! He was just so aggressive was incredible. So awesome man so awesome. I really hope he can win the title.

I don't know if it was Gonzo who just did a bad job to return serves after the middle of the 2nd set, but Federer looked virtually untouchable on his own serve. He had great variation also and Gonzalez could hardly hit a good return off them to avoid that Federer not immediately takes control of the point :eek:

Federer played great the last 3 sets! His footwork was simply amazing!!! Moving faster and faster!! He was just so aggressive was incredible. So awesome man so awesome. I really hope he can win the title.

I wasn't so impressed, a lot of times he got away with poor approach shots - Nadal would destroy him if he tried that. Nadal doesn't get 'scared' when someone charges the net, quite the contrary, he considers it a great opportunity to finish the point in style.

I wasn't so impressed, a lot of times he got away with poor approach shots - Nadal would destroy him if he tried that. Nadal doesn't get 'scared' when someone charges the net, quite the contrary, he considers it a great opportunity to finish the point in style.

I gotta say at the start of the second set the first game Federer down 0-40 it was horrible indeed! Definitely got away there with 3 lucky mis-hits from Gonzo.

Great job Roger ... :banana:

Hopp to winner in Roland Garros ... :rocker2:

A lot of nonsense is written when the draw comes out. You know that.

May I ask what urged you to post this "relevant" piece of information now since it hasn't been an issue this week?

Tone of my post? I was just asking a question, it was neither defensive nor insulting.
For me, it came out of the blue since it hasn't been an issue and Merton doesn't tend to say things out of the blue so I decided to ask him about it.

I know that Merton is MTF royalty in here but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything he says or that I can't inquire why he writes certain thing or did I not get the memo making you the person deciding what tone everybody should use on MTF? What about the tone you're using, oh you Pedantic One?

Sheesh stebs. Besides, I trust that Merton is a big boy and can handle a question from me on his own.

I didn't take your question as defensive or insulting, a bit surprised to see the relevant part in brackets in your post quoted above but no big deal at all. :) I just posted a data point, so there isn't really anything to agree or disagree with. You can question the reliability of the data posted (total time spent on court) but it is irrelevant whether that was posted by me or it was post #1 of the new poster ACCChampion_2008. The data is publicly available, so you can verify it if you feel like doing it.

:)



"quell"? :lol:
Nice touch, stebs.

How is asking somebody what urged him to mention something since it looked an out of the blue comment to me "quelling" a discussion? If I had told Merton to shut up, you would have a point. Asking somebody why he writes something is not quelling a discussion. Sometimes, it actually helps to understand why somebody writes something by asking him directly why he does so.
Perhaps it's a pointless question to you. Great. It wasn't for me. :shrug:

The comment was not out of the blue at all. In this case,

-Federer makes the semis.
-It is interesting (at least for me) to consider how much work Federer has done so far to get at this point.
-It is natural to compare this with work done by Nadal, who also happens to be a main contender for the title here.
-It is related to discussions made earlier as I said, after the draw came out.

Finally, consider this article, that Clay_Death also posted elsewhere, but in a different context: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3426247&name=tennis

The author clearly considers the fact that Nadal faces Djokovic in the semis as a major event that enhances Federer's chances taking the title. So this entire issue is not something that just came out randomly but appears as a consideration in main stream press.

With that win yesterday Federer has two records. He is the most accomplished player at RG never to win it. He just passed Corretja, with 2 Finals and 2 semifinals, compared with 2 finals, 1 semifinal and 1 quarterfinal.

His streak of 4 straight SFs is #7 on the list at RG. No one has 5 straight finals/semifinals.


BORG 4 SFs, 4Fs, 4 W
LENDL 4 SFs, 4Fs, 3 W
WILANDER 4 SFs, 3Fs, 3 W
NADAL 4 SFs, 3Fs, 3 W
COURIER 4 SFs, 3Fs, 2 W
FERRARO 4 SFs, 2Fs, 1 W
FEDERER 4 SFs, 2Fs, 0 W

Not that bad to beat the player who hasn't lost a match on clay this season so far ;) Congrats Roger :)

Great run to get into a fourth RG SF in a row and the 16th consecutive GS SF :hatoff:

Hope it's nothing serious with Fena's shoulder. I wish him all the best for the rest of the season.