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Name antics you like from the top 10 players

Kuhne
06-03-2008, 08:48 PM
I thought the other thread about the antics we dislike from the top 10 players was pretty cool but I also thought it would be nice to make the same list with things we actualy like from these players, even if some of them you hate, there has to be something you like.

Here's mine.

1. Federer - GOAT, very pleasing style of tennis to watch, doesn't grunt when he hits the ball, never quits, is allways a good sport, acts the way someone in his possition should act.

2. Nadal - GOAT on clay, fights till the end no matter what, once the game is over and he loses he takes his beating like a man and doesnt make excuses.

3. Djokovic - absolutely nothing possitive.

4. Davydenko - His face is funny and he is allways underrated but in my opinion should be the #3 if he played the way he really can allways.

5. Ferrer - one of those guys that can beat the best if he plays well

6. Roddick - for a man who has been bitchslaped by Roger so often and been ridiculed by the media constantly because of it, specialy in press conferences, he takes it well and jokes about it, at press conferences andy is probably the best out there

7. Nalbandian - I like the fact that he is fat, its just funny.

8. Blake - comes off as a really nice guy, just get rid of the J BLOCK or whatever

9. Gasquet - don't know enough about him to like anything.

10. Wawrinka - looks like an average dude walking down the street, I like that

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 08:55 PM
Nothing.

El Legenda
06-03-2008, 08:55 PM
who gives a shit.

montenegro
06-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Djokovic is mentally so strong. Amazing.

tnosugar
06-03-2008, 09:27 PM
They are all inherently good people, who mean well, although it doesn't always turn out that way in a competitive environment. And they all want peace and prosperity on earth. And yeah...'who gives a shit'.
The tennis has been great so far at RG, I only miss Henin... the women's title won't feel the same without her, until the memories of the fans and players of her game fade a little. I still think of her in the present tense, tennis-wise

Beforehand
06-03-2008, 09:54 PM
Nothing.

who gives a shit.

LOL. MTF is so bitchy.

Tom Paulman
06-03-2008, 09:54 PM
who gives a shit.

I can't see the pic in your signature, can you make it a bit larger?

arm
06-03-2008, 09:55 PM
LOL. MTF is so bitchy.

Oh, you're so right:

I can't see the pic in your signature, can you make it a bit larger?

:haha:

Sunset of Age
06-03-2008, 09:58 PM
I can't see the pic in your signature, can you make it a bit larger?

:lol:

As for the question: see my contribution to the 'most annoying antics'-thread. Hate to reveal it, but those might well be things I rather like about the top 10-players as well... ;)

Beforehand
06-03-2008, 09:58 PM
:haha:

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 05:31 PM
gasquet is a natural clown, i find him entertaining.

MacTheKnife
08-06-2008, 05:40 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Djok fan, but one thing he does I do like, is he gives his opponents credit for great shots with applause or some acknowledgment. I do like that.

Voo de Mar
08-06-2008, 05:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Djok fan, but one thing he does I do like, is he gives his opponents credit for great shots with applause or some acknowledgment. I do like that.

I appreciate it as well :)

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 05:46 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Djok fan, but one thing he does I do like, is he gives his opponents credit for great shots with applause or some acknowledgment. I do like that.

:rolleyes:

You're what? 10? That's awfully naive.

Those gestures of him are ironic as hell.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 05:50 PM
:rolleyes:

You're what? 10? That's awfully naive.

Those gestures of him are ironic as hell.

Not everyone has ignorant blinds on their eyes.

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 05:53 PM
Not everyone has ignorant blinds on their eyes.

Yeah, I don't.

Sunset of Age
08-06-2008, 05:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Djok fan, but one thing he does I do like, is he gives his opponents credit for great shots with applause or some acknowledgment. I do like that.

Fully agree with you on this. :yeah:

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 05:56 PM
Yeah, I don't.

Yeah, It is hard not to notice

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 05:58 PM
Yeah, It is hard not to notice

For blind fangirls like you every little thing is hard to notice.

MacTheKnife
08-06-2008, 06:00 PM
:rolleyes:

You're what? 10? That's awfully naive.

Those gestures of him are ironic as hell.

Unfortunately I'm 56, but thanks for reminding me. I have suspected they may well be less than sincere, but none the less, it's more than many do. I usually do that and it's more often that not, a selfish move I admit. It helps me not get negative on myself by giving my opponent credit. But I'm searching here, give me a break.

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 06:03 PM
Unfortunately I'm 56, but thanks for reminding me. I have suspected they may well be less than sincere, but none the less, it's more than many do. I usually do that and it's more often that not, a selfish move I admit. It helps me not get negative on myself by giving my opponent credit. But I'm searching here, give me a break.

Well, if you do it honestly, then props to you. But we all know how much Faker respects his opponents... retirements when losing, faking, antics, timewasting... those "applauses" of him are just another one of his antics, it's not sincere at all. It's just him trying to show his ultra big ego by saying that if an opponent makes a good shot against him, it means it had to be something veeery special.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 06:03 PM
For blind fangirls like you every little thing is hard to notice.

Wow... You shook up my whole world. I am starting to examine my place in society. I just opened my eyes here on MTF

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 06:04 PM
Wow... You shook up my whole world. I am starting to examine my place in society. I just opened my eyes here on MTF

Don't play Faker here, you're not up to his acting skills.

You knew your place here all along. :)

bokehlicious
08-06-2008, 06:05 PM
I have suspected they may well be less than sincere, but none the less, it's more than many do. I usually do that and it's more often that not, a selfish move I admit.

Same with Djoker, selfish move, nothing that good about it.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 06:07 PM
Don't play Faker here, you're not up to his acting skills.

You knew your place here all along. :)

All right. I took it too far this time. It is not my habit to chat like this with people I find irritating and ignorant. i usually don't have time for BS. By the way, you totally misunderstood it.
Have fun where you can

Henry Kaspar
08-06-2008, 06:10 PM
My five cnets:

1. Federer - well, the fabulous thing about Fed is his game itself. Never has there been such an elegant player on the court.

2. Nadal - what a character. In terms of emotional intensity on a level with McEnroe, Agassi or Becker; but instead of outbursts he channels his energy into all kinds of ticks -- cleaning lines, arranging water bottles, pulling his shorts.

3. Djokovic - a confident, intelligent, determined fighter. He tends to be a bit overconfident and prickly at times which bothers some people, but you better get used to him -- he won't go away any time soon.

4. Davydenko, 5. Ferrer - folks that compensate a relative lack of talent (they are nowhere near the top 3) with tireless fighting. Run run run until they collapse.

6. Roddick - smart, articulate, funny. In many ways a more interesting person off-court than on-court, where is game is a tad one-dimensional.

7. Nalbandian - a very gifted but unsteady player.

8. Blake - seems to lack the ultimate bit of competitiveness to make it to the very top.

9. Gasquet, Wawrinka -- no comment.

Henry Kaspar
08-06-2008, 06:12 PM
Btw, some time ago there was an interesting article in the NYT according to which MOST great players had antics, and for a reason: they are needed to maintain focus in the long stretches between points.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 06:17 PM
OK. Here is what I like about the players mentioned above and many, many others:

They all picked up the racket when they were kids and worked very hard to be where they are right now. They are determined to play tennis and strive to do their best.
I also like that they don't give a damn what some haters have to say about them.

choppaa
08-06-2008, 06:22 PM
But we all know how much Faker respects his opponents... retirements when losing, faking, antics, timewasting... those "applauses" of him are just another one of his antics, it's not sincere at all. It's just him trying to show his ultra big ego by saying that if an opponent makes a good shot against him, it means it had to be something veeery special.

"We all know... " you mean a bunch of pathetic crybabies in GM? No, sorry, pathetic losers who can't be objective for once in their life. Btw, real Sherlock you are, you know everything about someone you've never met just by watching a few of his matches. A round of applause for the great GlennMirnyi...
And next time when you want to use "we all know" just bitchslap your head and replace it with a "I know...

choppaa
08-06-2008, 06:27 PM
[QUOTE=Kuhne;7143205]Here's mine.

1. Federer - GOAT, very pleasing style of tennis to watch, doesn't grunt when he hits the ball, never quits, is allways a good sport, acts the way someone in his possition should act.

2. Nadal - GOAT on clay, fights till the end no matter what, once the game is over and he loses he takes his beating like a man and doesnt make excuses.

Wait, that's antics?? I thought butt picking and grumpy look in Fed's eyes are antics.

Henry Kaspar
08-06-2008, 06:39 PM
[QUOTE=Kuhne;7143205]Here's mine.

1. Federer - GOAT, very pleasing style of tennis to watch, doesn't grunt when he hits the ball, never quits, is allways a good sport, acts the way someone in his possition should act.

2. Nadal - GOAT on clay, fights till the end no matter what, once the game is over and he loses he takes his beating like a man and doesnt make excuses.

Wait, that's antics?? I thought butt picking and grumpy look in Fed's eyes are antics.

You're right, of courtse -- antics these are not. Federer has few antics except for whirling his racket when he expects serve. The antics-king is Rafa Nadal. Djokovic has this annoying 20-times tipping of the ball. Roddick pulls his shirt.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 06:40 PM
Unfortunately I'm 56, but thanks for reminding me. I have suspected they may well be less than sincere, but none the less, it's more than many do. I usually do that and it's more often that not, a selfish move I admit. It helps me not get negative on myself by giving my opponent credit. But I'm searching here, give me a break.

The truth is, it can be interpreted anyway you like it. I watched Monika Seles do it all the time. Novak does it even when he is losing. No matter what he does can be interpreted many ways. And somebody as Glenn.. will never interpret Novak's gesture in a positive way which tells enough about him. For somebody who is 56, you bend over quite quickly. Have more confidence. And that need to almost apologize before saying something nice about Novak is hilarious.

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 07:45 PM
All right. I took it too far this time. It is not my habit to chat like this with people I find irritating and ignorant. i usually don't have time for BS. By the way, you totally misunderstood it.
Have fun where you can

You never chat with yourself then?

"We all know... " you mean a bunch of pathetic crybabies in GM? No, sorry, pathetic losers who can't be objective for once in their life. Btw, real Sherlock you are, you know everything about someone you've never met just by watching a few of his matches. A round of applause for the great GlennMirnyi...
And next time when you want to use "we all know" just bitchslap your head and replace it with a "I know...

:sobbing: :baby:

We all know = all non-fanboys/fangirls and accomplices of that cheating disgrace to the sport. :D

patch55
08-06-2008, 07:47 PM
"You never chat with yourself then? "

how old are you? seriously.

BigJohn
08-06-2008, 07:54 PM
I like it when Roddick interacts with the umpire during commercial breaks, We can see it all on ATPMS Live. I love it. His comments, the questions he asks... He is sitting on his chair, looking way up to the umpire chair like an obnoxious kid to his dad and he just goes on with anything that is on his mind.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 07:55 PM
"You never chat with yourself then? "

how old are you? seriously.

Unfortunately, older than his comments would suggest. But that is the world we live in today

MacTheKnife
08-06-2008, 08:01 PM
The truth is, it can be interpreted anyway you like it. I watched Monika Seles do it all the time. Novak does it even when he is losing. No matter what he does can be interpreted many ways. And somebody as Glenn.. will never interpret Novak's gesture in a positive way which tells enough about him. For somebody who is 56, you bend over quite quickly. Have more confidence. And that need to almost apologize before saying something nice about Novak is hilarious.

Lack of confidence has never been my problem. I've been told here that I "smack of superiority". Can't always deny that. Just check my user name, I am extremely familiar with some degree of arrogance. As for apologizing, that wasn't the point. I was just surprised that I was about to say something positive since the vast majority of what he does annoys the he11 out of me.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 08:05 PM
Lack of confidence has never been my problem. I've been told here that I "smack of superiority". Can't always deny that. Just check my user name, I am extremely familiar with some degree of arrogance. As for apologizing, that wasn't the point. I was just surprised that I was about to say something positive since the vast majority of what he does annoys the he11 out of me.

Roger that.
Nice pic

prima donna
08-06-2008, 08:08 PM
The elegance with which Roger moves about the court, especially as of late, quite reminiscent to that of a drunken sailor.

MaryX
08-06-2008, 08:11 PM
And that need to almost apologize before saying something nice about Novak is hilarious.

yes, it is a common gesture here to apologize and note at the beginning that you're not his fan, just in case.

About top ten:

-Federer-non of his antics don't find attractive, apart from his game which is admirable
-Nadal-his fighting spirit, the way he's focused each moment of a game, he never let go
-Novak-the way he accepts his loses and gives credit to his opponents when they win or have a good shot
-Murray-his attitude and anger when he is missing, it is entertaining
I don't know about others, just like them or not, but I can't remember any specific antic.

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 08:12 PM
"You never chat with yourself then? "

how old are you? seriously.

How much do you think before you post? Seriously.

Unfortunately, older than his comments would suggest. But that is the world we live in today

Yep. A world where people support a cheater, faker and arrogant jerk. A real shame. :o

MacTheKnife
08-06-2008, 08:13 PM
yes, it is a common gesture here to apologize and note at the beginning that you're not his fan, just in case.

Especially if your not his fan. I appreciate your interpretation of what I "meant" instead of just reading the post.

patch55
08-06-2008, 08:16 PM
How much do you think before you post? Seriously.



Yep. A world where people support a cheater, faker and arrogant jerk. A real shame. :o

:lol:

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 08:27 PM
:lol:

Just admit it. he is a better person than we are:rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 08:31 PM
:lol:

Just admit it. he is a better person than we are:rolleyes:

I definitely sleep at night without any weight in my conscience... :D

MaryX
08-06-2008, 08:31 PM
I appreciate your interpretation of what I "meant" instead of just reading the post.

I appreciate your opinion and I'm not ironic on this, but you are not the only one who tends to note that, even though we all know in advance who likes him and who doesn't.Never mind, I read what you wrote, so everything is fine.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 08:32 PM
I definitely sleep at night without any weight in my conscience... :D

So does a sociopath.

patch55
08-06-2008, 08:48 PM
Just admit it. he is a better person than we are:rolleyes:

yes i admit defeat.:rolleyes::D

GlennMirnyi
08-06-2008, 09:20 PM
So does a sociopath.

:lol:

Does that make me the exact same kind of person Fakervic is?

Henry Kaspar
08-06-2008, 09:35 PM
I like Djokovic. He brings the best out of Federer and Nadal.

choppaa
08-06-2008, 09:57 PM
Yep. A world where people support a cheater, faker and arrogant jerk. A real shame. :o

What's wrong with being an arrogant jerk? That's the quality you need to become someone in tennis. In a positive way of course. And besides, he's not that arrogant lately, nor a cheater. He is not doing impersonations anymore which shows that he's got respect for others and that he listened critiques on his actions. That shows maturity unlike Radek for example with his annoying court celebrations.

~Maya~
08-06-2008, 10:06 PM
:lol:

Does that make me the exact same kind of person Fakervic is?

Another winner by GlennMirnyi :lol:

You wish you poor, poor soul

Snoo Foo
08-06-2008, 10:16 PM
Maybe when Kolya put on his dad's glasses eyeglasses, that was a good one. Nole's schtick was cute until they beat him into submission. I don't know any other antics the top 10 get up to. Llodra, obviously Dima, Willy Canas pretending to be gay... but top 10... :shrug:

Sunset of Age
08-06-2008, 10:25 PM
Maybe when Kolya put on his dad's glasses eyeglasses, that was a good one. Nole's schtick was cute until they beat him into submission. I don't know any other antics the top 10 get up to. Llodra, obviously Dima, Willy Canas pretending to be gay... but top 10... :shrug:

I missed that one. :p

I love Roger's racket twirling before recieving serve, and there's something about Rafa's various OCD-tics that I can well relate to. The alignment of his water bottles - I found it very funny, until someone pointed out to me that I do exactly the same when perfectly lining up my cig butts in the ashtray, which I always do. :help: :lol:

Ah, those little things make the players into personalities we love or dislike, and as such they serve a purpose!

groundstroke
08-06-2008, 10:39 PM
1. Federer (still not august 18) - Never grunts
2. Nadal - Never quits fighting.
3. Djokovic - ???
4. Ferrer - just generally good to watch...
5. Davydenko - hits the ball really cleanly and pure.
6. Murray - Never quits running.
7. Blake - Cool (although he does shout sometimes), and is very composed (except against Federer)
8. Nalbandian - Proving fat people can win.
9. Roddick - so much hate and he just does not care.
10. Wawrinka - meh..

leng jai
08-06-2008, 10:55 PM
I love everything about Fakervic. He is just a perfect being.

finishingmove
08-06-2008, 11:04 PM
:lol:

opeth84
08-06-2008, 11:20 PM
Whether the credit Djokovic gives other players for a good shot is self serving or not. He always seems gracious in defeat. Always happy enough to look at his opponent an shake his hand. He has made some mistakes but i think he's learning. The injury timeouts seem alot less frequent and is not talking as big as he was late last year and the start of this year.

camnation
08-07-2008, 01:01 AM
The love threads on this board are never taken seriously and need some real love :awww:

1. Fed: When he signs the camera then smiles and waves-cute!
2. Rafa: Most of his crazy reactions when he hits improbable winners, even if he looks like a Ninja Turtle sometimes
3. Nole: Almost everything (no sarcasm intended)
4. Kolya: When he surprises you (with something quirky, like the net stroking)
5. Ferrer: What?
6. Muzza: Crazy reactions a la Wimbledon 08
7. Nalby: Huh?
8. Blake: His serving routine (I don't know why, I think it's funny)
9. Roddick: When he's not a jerk on court
10. Wawa: Guh? (It would be nice to see him smile once in awhile...)

Art&Soul
08-07-2008, 01:43 AM
1. Fed: When he signs the camera then smiles and waves-cute!

Yeah i love that too, he is so cute when he signs and smiles ;)

oranges
08-07-2008, 06:15 AM
What's wrong with being an arrogant jerk?

:haha: I can't believe this, it can't be real. You obviously don't mind it, but you really expect that to be the predominant opinion? And it's not needed for anything in life, including becoming a top tennis player. It's a choice you make and a persona you want to cultivate. Pick any number of top players and you'll see that arrogant jerks are few and in between, especially combining both.

~*BGT*~
08-07-2008, 06:22 AM
The love threads on this board are never taken seriously and need some real love :awww:

1. Fed: When he signs the camera then smiles and waves-cute!


:secret: I like that too. :angel:

2. Rafa: I like he knee kicks and when he sprints to the end of the court after the coin toss.
3. Djokovic: I think his Hewitt was the absolute best impersonation but got overlooked by :worship:Sharapova, Roddick, Nadal..
4,5 Davydenko, Ferrer
6. Murray: :o Nothing
7. Nalbandian: I like his "Ah-EH!" after he hits a nice shot. :lol:
8. Blake: I like when his "Urgh!!" gets louder with every shot.
9. Roddick: just funny.
10. Stan: He seems like a quiet soft spoken guy but I like when he gets really animated and fiery on court :fiery:
11. Gasquet: He's a really good racquet twirler and I like how intense he's been getting.

Manon
08-07-2008, 09:57 AM
What's wrong with being an arrogant jerk? That's the quality you need to become someone in tennis. In a positive way of course. And besides, he's not that arrogant lately, nor a cheater. He is not doing impersonations anymore which shows that he's got respect for others and that he listened critiques on his actions. That shows maturity unlike Radek for example with his annoying court celebrations.

Nothing's wrong, course. His arrogancy doesn't hurt anybody's feelings. I mean players feelings. Most of fans will be always fans of beauty, sexyness...Who don't like him now he will never like him. And who cares? Fortunately Novak doesn't.

MaryX
08-07-2008, 10:36 AM
I'd like to see his "arrogance" back.When he's having his "arrogant" phase, I know he has very good conditions to go deep:he is ready, in form and very competative.
But, ofcourse, I wouldn't call it arrogance, but selfconfidence.Just a point of view.

Damn
08-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Yep. A world where people support a cheater, faker and arrogant jerk. A real shame. :o

Well, if you do it honestly, then props to you. But we all know how much Faker respects his opponents... retirements when losing, faking, antics, timewasting... those "applauses" of him are just another one of his antics, it's not sincere at all. It's just him trying to show his ultra big ego by saying that if an opponent makes a good shot against him, it means it had to be something veeery special.

That's exactly what I think about his "applauses", word by word.

And what do you think about his laaaaaaarge hugs, smiles, pats on the back and 30-seconds-congratulations to his opponent every time he loses? That must be like: "Hey man, you know what, you must be God or something, otherwise you wouldn't have defeated me in a million years. I never lose, mate"

He's never so "nice" when he wins, he must be too sad for his opponent to say something :sad:

bokehlicious
08-07-2008, 12:07 PM
That's exactly what I think about his "applauses", word by word.

And what do you think about his laaaaaaarge hugs, smiles, pats on the back and 30-seconds-congratulations to his opponent every time he loses? That must be like: "Hey man, you know what, you must be God or something, otherwise you wouldn't have defeated me in a million years. I never lose, mate"

He's never so "nice" when he wins, he must be too sad for his opponent to say something :sad:

my thoughts exatly, anytime he hugs those that beat him, he's smiling like "hey man, it takes some good stuff to beat someone as big as me, even though I wasn't even trying today, of course"

Bascule
08-07-2008, 12:22 PM
Poor Nole :sad:, he really needs back his arrogance.

The only arrogance lately I see, alas, is Rafaello's Arrogance (with big "A")...but, that's normal, I suppose, when you become Ego Prince...and soon to be Ego King.;)

choppaa
08-07-2008, 12:26 PM
:haha: I can't believe this, it can't be real. You obviously don't mind it, but you really expect that to be the predominant opinion? And it's not needed for anything in life, including becoming a top tennis player. It's a choice you make and a persona you want to cultivate. Pick any number of top players and you'll see that arrogant jerks are few and in between, especially combining both.

It depends who do you consider as a jerk, GlennM thinks that Novak is a jerk, I don't think so. In fact I think that all these silent and calm players like Fed and Nadal are in fact more arrogant deep inside but they don't show it on the court. And about that choice you mentioned tell that to Goran, he was extremely charismatic but also the biggest jerk on court and somehow he was loved because of it.
But considering Novak he may be the more humble player than rafa from now on, and he will still be cast as a insincere lying fake for people like glennmirnyi and others. Talk about double standards.

«Ivan»
08-07-2008, 12:27 PM
i am djokovic,nadal,federer fan(tennis game fan),i follow them whenever i can,know them i can say well,and i think all three are great in defeat.they're always very nice to me,to fans.a few times i was privilegded to be teached by them in our tennis school.nice lads.i read thread,i'm sure most of you don't know them in person.djokovic and nadal are always very generous,federer true gentleman.i can't uderstand this hate towards djokovic.i'm pretty suprised.that's not djokovic who i know.

Bascule
08-07-2008, 12:32 PM
i am djokovic,nadal,federer fan(tennis game fan),i follow them whenever i can,know them i can say well,and i think all three are great in defeat.they're always very nice to me,to fans.a few times i was privilegded to be teached by them in our tennis school.nice lads.i read thread,i'm sure most of you don't know them in person.djokovic and nadal are always very generous,federer true gentleman.i can't uderstand this hate towards djokovic.i'm pretty suprised.that's not djokovic who i know.

And, believe me, they don't know anything about Djokovic who talk like that. I never met a person who talked to him and said something bad about him.

choppaa
08-07-2008, 12:37 PM
That's exactly what I think about his "applauses", word by word.

And what do you think about his laaaaaaarge hugs, smiles, pats on the back and 30-seconds-congratulations to his opponent every time he loses? That must be like: "Hey man, you know what, you must be God or something, otherwise you wouldn't have defeated me in a million years. I never lose, mate"

He's never so "nice" when he wins, he must be too sad for his opponent to say something :sad:

Another mind reader and prophet on these boards. You see bad in people you don't know, maybe because you suck as a good human being and reflect that on others. Way to go young prophet, keep up the good work... :)

oranges
08-07-2008, 01:26 PM
It depends who do you consider as a jerk, GlennM thinks that Novak is a jerk, I don't think so. In fact I think that all these silent and calm players like Fed and Nadal are in fact more arrogant deep inside but they don't show it on the court. And about that choice you mentioned tell that to Goran, he was extremely charismatic but also the biggest jerk on court and somehow he was loved because of it.
But considering Novak he may be the more humble player than rafa from now on, and he will still be cast as a insincere lying fake for people like glennmirnyi and others. Talk about double standards.

If you don't think he's acting like a jerk, than make arguments in that direction, not that there's nothing wrong with being one. It is a personal preference what one considers perfectly acceptable and what is a definite turn off. Not sure how Goran was a jerk on or off court, as it implies contemptuous behavior, not just racket smashing and flying off the handle, which as you might guess from the fact that I find Safin also perfectly amicable, is not much of an issue for me. Employing some of that consciously to gain an advantage of sorts would be.

I was trying to think of antics I like among top 10, but came up with nothing. The only thing that popped into my mind is that Roddick is a sort of Jekyll-Hyde, he can be irritating as hell on court, while his interviews are among the most amusing and likeable, especially when they start asking him silly questions :D.

MaryX
08-07-2008, 02:10 PM
I adored Goran, but I must tell you-he was "the biggest jerk" (to put it in your words), but why would Serbians be the only one completally blind about their compatriots...And why would you be realistic when it comes to a Serbian player :rolleyes: ?

Saying someone is ugly at press conference is funny I admit, but can be defined "jerky", right?Or not?

What is on Novak's mind, could I guess, too?"Owww, what a wonderful shot, too good for me this time."What can I do accept shaking his hand and hugging him?I played like sh*t, he was better, show will go on..."

Who knows, maybe I am better mind reader than Glenn :rolleyes:

And who knows what's in Rafa's head who is known as a modest one?Considering how men are generally introvert, it wouldn't surprise me if his gf doesn't know all his thoughts, too.

oranges
08-07-2008, 02:45 PM
I adored Goran, but I must tell you-he was "the biggest jerk" (to put it in your words), but why would Serbians be the only one completally blind about their compatriots...And why would you be realistic when it comes to a Serbian player :rolleyes: ?

Oh please don't make this an issue of nationality. I would like all Croatian players then and dislike all Serbian ones, wouldn't I. I dislike his demeanor. I dislike Murray's and McEnroe's behavior back in the time and neither is Serbian.

Saying someone is ugly at press conference is funny I admit, but can be defined "jerky", right?Or not?

Yes, that can definitely be defined as jerky and is not a credit either to him or his fans.

Who knows, maybe I am better mind reader than Glenn :rolleyes:

And who knows what's in Rafa's head who is known as a modest one?Considering how men are generally introvert, it wouldn't surprise me if his gf doesn't know all his thoughts, too.

Not sure where this is heading, but for sure directly expressed behavior is certain to generate more of a response than any covert personal traits any of the players might have.

~Maya~
08-07-2008, 02:52 PM
I ruined this tread yesterday by running into GlennMirnyi on my bad day, and now we have here Serbo-Croatian fire

MILOS
08-07-2008, 03:01 PM
And, believe me, they don't know anything about Djokovic who talk like that. I never met a person who talked to him and said something bad about him.


Totally true!

MaryX
08-07-2008, 04:07 PM
Oh please don't make this an issue of nationality. I would like all Croatian players then and dislike all Serbian ones, wouldn't I. I dislike his demeanor. I dislike Murray's and McEnroe's behavior back in the time and neither is Serbian.
Not necessarily .I don't like Janko at all and I liked Goran and kind of like Mario (not to that extent).But, anyway, it is easy to like Ivanisevic's or Djokovic's demeanor when they are compatriots of ours, isn't that correct?Especially when they are good at what they do.

For us who liked watching tennis in early '90 and after, Croatians are remembered as the best of all Balcans, we could just admire that (or be jealous at).No matter how much we try to avoid nationality issue, would you understand me if I'd be jealous because you have better basketball team atm (knowing how we've always looked at ourselves as a great basketball nation :rolleyes: ).If you understand where this is heading.

Not sure where this is heading, but for sure directly expressed behavior is certain to generate more of a response than any covert personal traits any of the players might have.

This is heading to explaine how difficult is to know what is on somebody's mind when he does something nice.We were talking about good Novak's gestures (expressed behavior as you say) which Glenn and company describe negatively as if they know what Novak is thinking on those occasions.Like, everything is black and white and we all still attend primary school, watching cartoons and so on.

Bascule
08-07-2008, 04:18 PM
Like, everything is black and white and we all still attend primary school, watching cartoons and so on.

:lol:
Great analysis about posters on MTF.:yeah:
I know lot of tards in late 30s and 40s here who still watch cartoons and read Marvel's as DC's comix...:lol:...then why not seeing the tennis super-heroes in "black-white picture"? The mentally conception of geeks or to say, men generally, I wouldn't be so wrong, is exactly on this level.;) That's why they need us, Mary, for balance.:)

Manon
08-07-2008, 04:24 PM
MaryX, great post. I loved Prpic more than 35 Boba.

And Bascule, late 40s? You'll ruin my day;)

Damn
08-07-2008, 04:25 PM
Another mind reader and prophet on these boards. You see bad in people you don't know, maybe because you suck as a good human being and reflect that on others. Way to go young prophet, keep up the good work... :)

Re-read my post, mate. You'll see that I haven't insulted Djokovic, I've just commented his "routine" when he loses a match, rutine that I found very forced and false, but that's just my opinion. On the other hand you are criticizing me for that, but at the same time you've said :"you suck as a good human being". Yeah, pretty impressive, you know me since childhood and you can affirm that I suck as a good human being. I'm probably a convicted criminal or whatever, but one of the worst human beings on the whole universe, not only this planet. That's for sure.

oranges
08-07-2008, 04:41 PM
Not necessarily .I don't like Janko at all and I liked Goran and kind of like Mario (not to that extent).But, anyway, it is easy to like Ivanisevic's or Djokovic's demeanor when they are compatriots of ours, isn't that correct?Especially when they are good at what they do.

No, I don't actually make much of a difference between my compatriots and others I favor or not. If Goran regularly made statements such as that one, which IIRC was about a lines judge he was pissed at, you can be sure I wouldn't be a fan. As it is, I rolled my eyes, blushed for him and eventually forgot about the incident.

For us who liked watching tennis in early '90 and after, Croatians are remembered as the best of all Balcans, we could just admire that (or be jealous at).No matter how much we try to avoid nationality issue, would you understand me if I'd be jealous because you have better basketball team atm (knowing how we've always looked at ourselves as a great basketball nation :rolleyes: ).If you understand where this is heading.

I don't buy into that rivalry thing much. I wasn't jealous when Serbian basketball team was on their winning run. Good for them as long as they play good basketball, I used to play it and can always appreciate it. I can only be sad that the Croatian team failed to even qualify for a number of events and even that was only completely true in that tournament (EP?) where they played really excellent, but lost to Spain in dubious circumstances.

This is heading to explaine how difficult is to know what is on somebody's mind when he does something nice.We were talking about good Novak's gestures (expressed behavior as you say) which Glenn and company describe negatively as if they know what Novak is thinking on those occasions.Like, everything is black and white and we all still attend primary school, watching cartoons and so on.

I'll keep out of the nitpicking part, LOL, I only entered the discussion because I thought the comment I responded to was funny because everyone who thinks that way is likely to dislike the guy and those who don't are likely to think differently. If the details are to be discussed, perhaps another thread is in order, though I doubt the participants will come to any fruitful conclusions.

tangerine_dream
08-07-2008, 05:28 PM
I feel a rant coming on, let's see here.......

Roger Federer - totally in love with himself. The manbags, the monogrammed hats and blazers, the matching luggage, the Vogue-ing, the $400 haircuts, please do curl your pretty hair around your long fingers some more, you big flirt. :inlove:

Rafael Nadal - the king of OCD behavior. :worship: The ass picking, the sock adjusting, the bottle arrangements, the sprinting to the baseline and jumping up and down like a boxer, I love it all, but that's only because I don't have to live with it. Also love the Spanglish.

Novak Djokovic - love the chutzpah, the "I-was-in-control" video that I can't stop watching on YouTube, the spot-on player impersonations, the I-need-a-hug neediness, the chest thumping and stare downs, and the fact that you've managed to piss off every fan group on MTF. Thank you Novak for spicing up the rivalry, it really needed it. :rocker2:

Nikolay Davydenko - He has a habit of annoying me and saying stupid shit. He's like the Keyser Soze of the top ten. :p

David Ferrer - inspired the Pics :sad: :confused: joke, that's an honor for one who doesn't really have any habits. :hatoff:

Andy Murray - I miss the old Murray when he used to cry, whine, faint, vomit, and was so weak he'd constantly crumble onto the court writhering in cramps. This new and improved Murray is boring. I hope he pukes again at USO. He will always be an ugly miserable git, does that classify as being an antic or habit?

David Nalbandian - aka Mr October. Also answers to "Fat Bastard". It's funny how out of shape he appears to be and yet he becomes one of the most feared players at the end of the year. It's become a habit of his every year!

James Blake - doesn't really have a whole lot of antics or habits. His ready position is weird, it's like he does it in slow motion and his head freezes into positon as he stares at his opponent. Freaky! Oh, and I like the J-block. Figures. http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/icons/icon10.gif

Andy Roddick - adjust the hat, adjust the sleeves, flick the wrist band, adjust the balls, curse out the chair umpire, repeat. I just love this so-called frat boy bully. :devil: He's so overrated that he's actually underrated. :p He is the alfa-male of the American group and he knows it too. Needs to grab his balls some more when he's on court, if only to offend more people. I clearly have a thing for funny guys who can also be assholes. :toothy:

Stanislas Wawrinka - Uhh, has a habit of being Roger's one and only chosen doubles partner? That's all I can think of. :aplot:

Bascule
08-07-2008, 05:40 PM
I feel a rant coming on, let's see here.......

Roger Federer - totally in love with himself. The manbags, the monogrammed hats and blazers, the matching luggage, the Vogue-ing, the $400 haircuts, please do curl your pretty hair around your long fingers some more, you big flirt. :inlove:

Rafael Nadal - the king of OCD behavior. :worship: The ass picking, the sock adjusting, the bottle arrangements, the sprinting to the baseline and jumping up and down like a boxer, I love it all, but that's only because I don't have to live with it. Also love the Spanglish.

Novak Djokovic - love the chutzpah, the "I-was-in-control" video that I can't stop watching on YouTube, the spot-on player impersonations, the I-need-a-hug neediness, the chest thumping and stare downs, and the fact that you've managed to piss off every fan group on MTF. Thank you Novak for spicing up the rivalry, it really needed it. :rocker2:

Nikolay Davydenko - He has a habit of annoying me and saying stupid shit. He's like the Keyser Soze of the top ten. :p

David Ferrer - inspired the Pics :sad: :confused: joke, that's an honor for one who doesn't really have any habits. :hatoff:

Andy Murray - I miss the old Murray when he used to cry, whine, faint, vomit, and was so weak he'd constantly crumble onto the court writhering in cramps. This new and improved Murray is boring. I hope he pukes again at USO. He will always be an ugly miserable git, does that classify as being an antic or habit?

David Nalbandian - aka Mr October. Also answers to "Fat Bastard". It's funny how out of shape he appears to be and yet he becomes one of the most feared players at the end of the year. It's become a habit of his every year!

James Blake - doesn't really have a whole lot of antics or habits. His ready position is weird, it's like he does it in slow motion and his head freezes into positon as he stares at his opponent. Freaky! Oh, and I like the J-block. Figures. http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/icons/icon10.gif

Andy Roddick - adjust the hat, adjust the sleeves, flick the wrist band, adjust the balls, curse out the chair umpire, repeat. I just love this so-called frat boy bully. :devil: He's so overrated that he's actually underrated. :p He is the alfa-male of the American group and he knows it too. Needs to grab his balls some more when he's on court, if only to offend more people. I clearly have a thing for funny guys who can also be assholes. :toothy:

Stanislas Wawrinka - Uhh, has a habit of being Roger's one and only chosen doubles partner? That's all I can think of. :aplot:

:haha:
Great job!:yeah:

oranges
08-07-2008, 05:52 PM
:haha: I agree, great job. Davydenko as Keyser Soze was the most unexpected and priceless one.

choppaa
08-07-2008, 06:22 PM
Re-read my post, mate. You'll see that I haven't insulted Djokovic, I've just commented his "routine" when he loses a match, rutine that I found very forced and false, but that's just my opinion. On the other hand you are criticizing me for that, but at the same time you've said :"you suck as a good human being". Yeah, pretty impressive, you know me since childhood and you can affirm that I suck as a good human being. I'm probably a convicted criminal or whatever, but one of the worst human beings on the whole universe, not only this planet. That's for sure.

I said maybe also in that sentence mate, but you bolded the words you liked the best, I've never heard GlennMirnyi and others say, maybe ND is now a little better person on court than he was before, for them he will alvays be faker whatever he does for the rest of his life. But they also will be remembered as a hatefull bunch from MTF.

MaryX
08-07-2008, 07:46 PM
MaryX, great post. I loved Prpic more than 35 Boba.

I loved Boba, I'm afraid (I was 7 or 8, so I am excused?), but not as much as Goran.To tell the truth, I don't know if I'll like Novak in 5-6 years, knowing what Boba turned out to be eventually, and knowing that Novak won't turn down any political or sport postitions once his career ends.And we all know what political power does to people ;) .But, for now, he's ok.


I don't buy into that rivalry thing much. I wasn't jealous when Serbian basketball team was on their winning run. Good for them as long as they play good basketball, I used to play it and can always appreciate it. I can only be sad that the Croatian team failed to even qualify for a number of events and even that was only completely true in that tournament (EP?) where they played really excellent, but lost to Spain in dubious circumstances.


Maybe you don't buy it, I don't either, but rivalry exists.And we can pretend there are no national issues in liking players, but it is obvious that one significant number of Novak's haters come from certain origins, or have prejudices because of his nationality (who can blame them :D ).But ofcourse, who would admit that, that's politically incorrect?

That's why they need us, Mary, for balance
:) ;)

oranges
08-07-2008, 08:30 PM
Maybe you don't buy it, I don't either, but rivalry exists.And we can pretend there are no national issues in liking players, but it is obvious that one significant number of Novak's haters come from certain origins, or have prejudices because of his nationality (who can blame them :D ).But ofcourse, who would admit that, that's politically incorrect?


:rolleyes: Sure, if it makes you feel better, it's about his origin and not about him and I'm just PC. I'm certain I'll develop a dislike for Ivanović due to her origin and success too any time now.

MaryX
08-07-2008, 10:10 PM
Sure, if it makes you feel better, it's about his origin and not about him and I'm just PC. I'm certain I'll develop a dislike for Ivanović due to her origin and success too any time now.

I know I didn't say it in most diplomatic way, don't be angry-it's nothing personal.But generally that stands for our area, doesn't mean it includes you or me (wait and see the opposite when Cilic makes his break through) .Peace :) ?
And no, I don't feel nor better nor worse.Not that I really depend on what people think of Novak.