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RG08 SF WWW: Rafael Nadal(2) vs. Novak Djokovic(3)

habibko
06-03-2008, 03:35 PM
yes there were many discussions for this clash already, but not an official poll yet, so who do you think will win?

Goget
06-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Nadal - 6:2 3:0 ret.

marcRD
06-03-2008, 03:38 PM
80% Nadal in straight sets
10% Nadal in 4 sets
10% Novak retires

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 03:38 PM
I think Nadal is playing the best clay tennis of his career right now.

Djokovic will be lucky to take a set

iriraz
06-03-2008, 03:39 PM
Probably Nadal will loose more games then in his last 2 matches combined but still win in 3

Bazooka
06-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Nadal 6-3 6-2 6-3

Bernard Black
06-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Nadal obviously. He is extremely focussed at the moment and I can't see how Djokovic can beat him (ultimate jinx - hope not).

The Kaz
06-03-2008, 03:40 PM
Nadal is 3

6-4 6-4 6-0 :devil:

virex
06-03-2008, 03:41 PM
nole will retire at the beginning of the 3 set after losing the first two, and will say he was the dominating player

Bernard Black
06-03-2008, 03:41 PM
It's been embarrassingly easy for Nadal so far. I hope we at least get a good, close match in the semis, even if Nadal still takes it in 3 tight sets.

scarecrows
06-03-2008, 03:41 PM
i think Djokovic might get a set here, but the final result will never be in doubt

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Nadal in whatever score he wants it to be.

sphiie
06-03-2008, 03:43 PM
Nadal is so motivated, he's crushing on everyone, he WANTS this 4th title, he's very confident, it's HIS tournament... Normally(yes, because Novak showed at Hamburg that he can took a set) he should win, and moreover the clay at RG is different from Hamburg. He will win. I wish in three sets... maybe 4 because Novak is improving comparing to last year, but Nadal should win. VAMOS RAFAEL !!

selyoink
06-03-2008, 03:43 PM
Nadal seems to be in god mode so I don't see how Djokovic will be able to beat him. He will do better than Almugro and Verdasco though.

Voo de Mar
06-03-2008, 03:44 PM
:zzz:

Amazingly expected semifinal. This tournament is boring as hell. I'd like to see a 5-setter but in view of Nadal's performance this year in Paris, D'Joke will be lucky if he wins one set 7-5 or 7-6.

iriraz
06-03-2008, 03:44 PM
If the scorline would be in favour of Nadal similar to the Djokovic-Gulbis match it would be amazing.Nadal will probably win easier though

Branimir
06-03-2008, 03:46 PM
Djokovic will retire on Friday after two sets.

anon57
06-03-2008, 03:48 PM
Nadal will win, not sure if it will be closer than their semi last year at RG, Djokovic has improved since then but Nadal has been destroying all of his opponents so far.

Bazooka
06-03-2008, 03:51 PM
By the way, the #2 rank is at a stake again in this match. I know the title is more important, but it's fun to see two players fighting over a rank position among themselves, and not a very frequent thing.

MatchFederer
06-03-2008, 03:52 PM
From what I have seen, Nadal may well be the greatest player on an individual surface in the history of tennis. It would appear that he is playing even greater clay court tennis than "usual". Nadal most likely in 3 sets.

Commander Data
06-03-2008, 03:53 PM
If Nole wins that match, I will place his picture beside my bed and every night before I go to bed, I will render homage to this Godman.

But seriously, I can't think of any scenario, where Nole wins that match.

nadal is just unbelievable this days.

RedFury
06-03-2008, 03:53 PM
I think Nadal is playing the best clay tennis of his career right now.

Djokovic will be lucky to take a set

Quoted for truth.

Not much else to add. :yeah:

Corey Feldman
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Nole will get no more than 10 games

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Nadal in 4 sets i think !
If Nadal sticks his hand deeper in his ass he might have to play with one hand !
And spitting is getting clay more softer !

This one is for Nadal for sure so bring on Hard Court season and Joker will take No 1 position !

wilmar
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Nadal will win in 3...at the most

habibko
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
so far: Nadal 31 Djoko 1

only one here believes :haha:

zcess81
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Hmmmm MTF curse might be looming over this match :)

Bazooka
06-03-2008, 03:54 PM
LOL, who voted for Nole!

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Hmmmm MTF curse might be looming over this match :)

Surely :rolleyes:

MatchFederer
06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Come forward to receive your judgement. Blah, they probably made a mouse slip.

sphiie
06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
so far: Nadal 31 Djoko 1

only one here believes :haha:

:lol:

RedFury
06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Nadal in whatever score he wants it to be.

Hahaha! And beyond being funny it's likely quite close to reality. :)

zcess81
06-03-2008, 03:57 PM
Nadal will win, not sure if it will be closer than their semi last year at RG, Djokovic has improved since then but Nadal has been destroying all of his opponents so far.

In tennis it means little...it's about match-ups and Nadal-Novak match up pretty well on all surfaces, even clay. Still, Nadal will win, but I hope I'm wrong. I hope that MTF curse strikes :)

gebl
06-03-2008, 03:59 PM
From what I have seen, Nadal may well be the greatest player on an individual surface in the history of tennis. It would appear that he is playing even greater clay court tennis than "usual". Nadal most likely in 3 sets.

:yeah:

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Anyway, no matter what happens in semis it was very important for Novak to reach semis here at RG. Now he has a real shot to take Nadal's no.2 ranking at Wimbledon cause it's doubtful that Nadal will reach another final.

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:00 PM
In tennis it means little...it's about match-ups and Nadal-Novak match up pretty well on all surfaces, even clay. Still, Nadal will win, but I hope I'm wrong. I hope that MTF curse strikes :)

Djokovic is gonna get destroyed, dude.

Hamburg was the very best conditions Djokovic could have hoped for and he could barely get it done there.

Absolutely no way he wins this match. At best he can hope for is a set and you know this.

The MTF curse is only for matches that actually have a questionable outcome. This not being one of them.

danielmom
06-03-2008, 04:01 PM
Rafa in 3 sets. I don't think he even broke a sweat in his last 2 matches.

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:03 PM
Anyway, no matter what happens in semis it was very important for Novak to reach semis here at RG. Now he has a real shot to take Nadal's no.2 ranking at Wimbledon cause it's doubtful that Nadal will reach another final.

Yeah, i heard that bullshit last year too :zzz:

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:05 PM
Djokovic is gonna get destroyed, dude.

Hamburg was the very best conditions Djokovic could have hoped for and he could barely get it done there.

Absolutely no way he wins this match. At best he can hope for is a set and you know this.

The MTF curse is only for matches that actually have a questionable outcome. This not being one of them.

Yes, Nadal is HEAVY favorite, and yes I think he'll win, but am I 100% sure? No. All I'm saying is that I think it will be closer than many people here think. Nadal will probably win though.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:06 PM
Yeah, i heard that bullshit last year too :zzz:

ok :) We'll have to wait and see.

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:08 PM
ok :) We'll have to wait and see.

And what makes you so confident that Djokovic will do great on grass?

Andi-M
06-03-2008, 04:08 PM
I dont know give the joker some credit.
If he wins the 1st set it will be tight might even go to 5.

Almagro and Djokovic are 2 totally different chracters Nole has a will to win like no-one else...by whatever means.

Nadal 6/7 6/2 6/3 7/5

MatchFederer
06-03-2008, 04:09 PM
Anyway, no matter what happens in semis it was very important for Novak to reach semis here at RG. Now he has a real shot to take Nadal's no.2 ranking at Wimbledon cause it's doubtful that Nadal will reach another final.

Are 2 Wimbledon finals not enough to convince you that Nadal is a very good grass courter who has at least a reasonable chance of making the finals and possibly winning?

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Are 2 Wimbledon finals not enough to convince you that Nadal is a very good grass courter who has at least a reasonable chance of making the finals and possibly winning?

I know, right.

The only person to take Fed to 5 sets in the last 6 years, and the only one to take a set in the 06 event.

Yeah, Nadal sucks on grass

arm
06-03-2008, 04:11 PM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bilbo
06-03-2008, 04:12 PM
R. Nadal in 3

RedFury
06-03-2008, 04:12 PM
I dont know give the joker some credit.
If he wins the 1st set it will be tight might even go to 5.

Almagro and Djokovic are 2 totally different chracters Nole has a will to win like no-one else...by whatever means.

Nadal 6/7 6/2 6/3 7/5

Nobody, but nobody has a greater will to win than Rafa...

tennizen
06-03-2008, 04:13 PM
Nobody, but nobody has a greater will to win than Rafa...

I'm curious, are you prepared for a Nadal loss tomorrow. And if he does lose, how will you take it?

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:14 PM
Are 2 Wimbledon finals not enough to convince you that Nadal is a very good grass courter who has at least a reasonable chance of making the finals and possibly winning?

Have look at Betfair

Favorites to win:

Fed - 1.88
Novak - 5.5
Nadal - 8.4

Even the experts feel that Novak has a better chance at Wimb than Rafa. I'm not saying with 100% conviction that Nadal won't reach another final mind you, just that Novak has a better shot of getting to finals than Nadal.

tennizen
06-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Have look at Betfair

Favorites to win:

Fed - 1.88
Novak - 5.5
Nadal - 8.4

Even the experts feel that Novak has a better chance at Wimb than Rafa. I'm not saying with 100% conviction that Nadal won't reach another final mind you, just that Novak has a better shot of getting to finals than Nadal.

Betfair= experts?

rocketassist
06-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Have look at Betfair

Favorites to win:

Fed - 1.88
Novak - 5.5
Nadal - 8.4

Even the experts feel that Novak has a better chance at Wimb than Rafa. I'm not saying with 100% conviction that Nadal won't reach another final mind you, just that Novak has a better shot of getting to finals than Nadal.

Usually the no 3 seed is on the no 1's side at Wimbledon, so it's most likely that Djokovic will be on Federer's side.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:16 PM
And what makes you so confident that Djokovic will do great on grass?

Have a look on Betfair and see what they think about who the favorite for the title is...Nadal is 3rd...Novak 2nd...Fed 1st. Bookies know more than you I think.

marcRD
06-03-2008, 04:16 PM
Poor Novak...

I truly feel sorry for all players who dream of glory on clay and live in the era of Rafael Nadal.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Betfair= experts?

Best experts if you ask me. They don't care about players, just money and so they know more than people on here, that's for sure. They are 99% of the time right.

jtipson
06-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Usually the no 3 seed is on the no 1's side at Wimbledon, so it's most likely that Djokovic will be on Federer's side.

Nope, sorry that's random.

tennizen
06-03-2008, 04:19 PM
Best experts if you ask me. They don't care about players, just money and so they know more than people on here, that's for sure. They are 99% of the time right.

:lol: Belief and faith are necessary:yeah:

elessar
06-03-2008, 04:19 PM
I'm curious, are you prepared for a Nadal loss tomorrow. And if he does lose, how will you take it?
He'd probably leave this place and wouldn't come back until MC next year :shrug: of course as that won't happen, we'll have to wait for Rafa to lose at queens/wimbledon/Toronto :sport:

Seriously though, Redfury how about toning down the gloating and the smugness a bit ?

Aenea
06-03-2008, 04:20 PM
Best experts if you ask me. They don't care about players, just money and so they know more than people on here, that's for sure. They are 99% of the time right.
What were their odds for Nalby-Chardy match?

BIGMARAT
06-03-2008, 04:20 PM
you guys are so under estimating Nole.

YES, Nadal is the favorite and will probably prevail but i dont think its gonna be easy!

I would'nt be even surprise if it goes really close or Nole may have 20 to 30% chance of winning.

Clara Bow
06-03-2008, 04:22 PM
Have a look on Betfair and see what they think about who the favorite for the title is...Nadal is 3rd...Novak 2nd...Fed 1st. Bookies know more than you I think.


So have been sneaking into secret practice sessions that the trivals have held on grass?

I think that Nole could go further than grass on Rafa sure, but I also think that Rafa could get to the finals again. He has performed better at Wimbledon than Nole so far- so I am just wondering why it is now assumed that Nole is the better grass player than Rafa? Don't we need to see some of their play on grass before we determine that?

And I think that Rafa plays better on grass than hard court so I am not ready to say that it is unlikely that he will reach the finals again before actually seeing him on the surface this year. I know that Nole is a great player, better on hards than Rafa and future number one. But I am not ready to annoit him as the better grass player than Rafa because we haven't seen anything yet. He very well may be- but so far- we haven't seen them play on grass this year.

On to the semis- I think that the Hamburg match could ironically give both confidence. I think it will go to four or five with Rafa winning- although I would not be utterly shocked (although I will be very sad) if Nole wins.

theblejach
06-03-2008, 04:25 PM
i am sure they will play in 5

arm
06-03-2008, 04:25 PM
Nobody, but nobody has a greater will to win than Rafa...

I'm going to have to tell you this: nobody, but nobody (except Federer - and I'm not sure about it) has a greater will to beat Rafa on clay than Djokovic.

Still doesn't mean he is going to win, I know. :shrug:

RedFury
06-03-2008, 04:26 PM
I'm curious, are you prepared for a Nadal loss tomorrow. And if he does lose, how will you take it?

At my age? Like I take everything most everything else -- health problems aside. In stride.

As much as I enjoy watching tennis (specially Rafa of course) I don't live my life vicariously through other's accomplishments. IOW, joy if he wins, move on if he doesn't.

More important things to worry about...like making a good living so I can pay for my son's uni and enjoy whatever time I have left.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:27 PM
Some of Almagro's comments about Nadal (he was practically saying that Nadal will win RG) before the match were CLEAR signs that he does not believe he can beat Nadal on clay. Novak on the other hand doesn't lack belief. That's why I think the semis will be closer than people seem to think. Almagro is not in the same league as Novak when it comes to belief and mental department...on ANY surface.

arm
06-03-2008, 04:28 PM
BTW, can anyone tell me when will they play? Thursday or Friday?

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:29 PM
Best experts if you ask me. They don't care about players, just money and so they know more than people on here, that's for sure. They are 99% of the time right.

:spit: :haha:

So betfair is 99% right all the time? So that means the favorite always wins? :rolls:

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 04:30 PM
Clara, Joker improved durig last year and this year he is better player.
He has titles under his belt and feels more confident on courts other than clay.

Nadal is no match for Joker on HC but on grass , well everyone think grass i a bit quicker than clay so Joker has a better chance.

It will be close but i am sure Joker is better on grass !

jtipson
06-03-2008, 04:30 PM
BTW, can anyone tell me when will they play? Thursday or Friday?

Men's singles semis are always Friday at RG. Unless it tips it down all day, and then it'll be Saturday ;)

RedFury
06-03-2008, 04:31 PM
BTW, can anyone tell me when will they play? Thursday or Friday?

Semi's are on Friday -- weather permitting of course.

dylan24
06-03-2008, 04:31 PM
pig is going to fuck this guy up big time.
novak will quit in 3rd set like the pussy that he is

arm
06-03-2008, 04:32 PM
:sad: Thank you both.

I was hoping they made an exception. I'm not sure I'll be able to watch.. :crying2:

elessar
06-03-2008, 04:32 PM
al is no match for Joker on HC but on grass , well everyone think grass i a bit quicker than clay so Joker has a better chance.

nonsense :rolleyes:
Wimbledon = green clay

RedFury
06-03-2008, 04:32 PM
Grrrr...or what jtipson said. :tape:

PS-Quite welcome, though no thanks needed.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 04:33 PM
:spit: :haha:

So betfair is 99% right all the time? So that means the favorite always wins? :rolls:

How many times has anybody but Fed won AO, USO, Wimb since his 1st win at Wimb??? How many times has anyone but Nadal won RG since his 1st win there? All those wins were predicted by bookies. Plus look at masters series on hardcourts during Feds domination. Look at nadal's claycourt performances and bookies predictions.

Ranger
06-03-2008, 04:33 PM
Nadal in 3. One close set, the other easy.

Clara Bow
06-03-2008, 04:43 PM
Clara, Joker improved durig last year and this year he is better player.
He has titles under his belt and feels more confident on courts other than clay.

Nadal is no match for Joker on HC but on grass , well everyone think grass i a bit quicker than clay so Joker has a better chance.

It will be close but i am sure Joker is better on grass !

You are free to think that and you could be right. But I am going to wait until I actually see them play.

I think Rafa moves better on grass than hard and he plays much further up the court so that does help him there.

I am just not ready to say that I am sure that Nole will be better than Rafa on grass because Nole is better than Rafa on hards. I think grass and hard are different and Rafa is better on grass than he is on hard. Again, Nole could be better- but I just want to see them play on the surface this year before I say that Nole is of course better because he has done so well on hard and has grown as a player.

Johnny Groove
06-03-2008, 04:45 PM
How many times has anybody but Fed won AO, USO, Wimb since his 1st win at Wimb??? How many times has anyone but Nadal won RG since his 1st win there? All those wins were predicted by bookies. Plus look at masters series on hardcourts during Feds domination. Look at nadal's claycourt performances and bookies predictions.

A blind monkey could pick the slam winners during Fed's dominance :rolleyes:

You say that the bookies are right 99% of the time, which is bullshit.

There are more matches played in tennis than Fed Nadal and Djokovic

HarryMan
06-03-2008, 04:49 PM
Nadal in 4 sets. It will be a very physical match.

jcempire
06-03-2008, 04:50 PM
Nadal 6-3 6-4 5-7 6-3

Outfielder
06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
I hope Novak.

Nadal is clear favorite, but Djokovic is too underrated here.
Don`t forget that Novak realy can win this, he is not Verdas/Almag...

peterparker
06-03-2008, 05:06 PM
I hope he destroys djoko and fed. Then destroys them again at wimbledon and then retires to become head chef at his father's restaurant! ofcourse then I will have to get a meal there,

Parker

Greenday
06-03-2008, 05:25 PM
Sore throat strikes back in the 3rd/2nd set and Novak retires. Novak is a fighter u know.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-03-2008, 05:28 PM
Rafa in straights.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-03-2008, 05:31 PM
Nadal is the best , he will win SURE

safinalium
06-03-2008, 05:33 PM
Nadal in 3

zcess81
06-03-2008, 05:34 PM
A blind monkey could pick the slam winners during Fed's dominance :rolleyes:

You say that the bookies are right 99% of the time, which is bullshit.

There are more matches played in tennis than Fed Nadal and Djokovic

You can say that NOW! But are you telling me that you honestly thought he was gonna win practically everything in 2006???

99% is an overestimate on my part, I'll give you that, but my point still remains: They are right MOST of the time. They wouldn't be in that business if they waren't. They are not just picking the winner...complex formulas are used and practically everything is taken into account.

Clara Bow
06-03-2008, 05:43 PM
You can say that NOW! But are you telling me that you honestly thought he was gonna win practically everything in 2006???

Actually, yes. ;) His level in 2005 and 2006 was just so much higher than the rest of the field (excpet on clay).

l_mac
06-03-2008, 05:54 PM
What the players are saying:

Nole

Q. When you kind of walked back to the locker room and see that Nadal has won 6‑1, 6‑1, 6‑1 against someone who has won more clay court matches than you this year, then what's your immediate sensation?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I told my coach, I think it was 6‑1, 6‑1, 5‑1, I told him, Look, go, go fast. See one game, you know. Try to catch at least a game and see how it goes. Maybe he play some bad shots (laughter.)

It's impressive, of course. He's been playing better and better, you know. He improve I think the serve a lot this year, on clay especially, and he's going for some shots much more.

He combines that with his great physical strength and then patience, and it's impressive on this surface.

But I don't want to go out there in semis and just try my best. I don't want to do that. I want to win, and I think I have good quality and good chance.

I mean, I know, of course, he's a favorite, and all the credit to that. But only with a positive attitude and approach in the match I can get the positive outcome.


Q. You will play more aggressive than Hamburg, like the beginning of the match when you are winning? Or what do you think about?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I think Hamburg was really good match for me. I was really unfortunate. I mean, I don't think it can happen second time that I am so unfortunate on a lot of break points and in important moments I hit so many lets and even the string breaks, things like that. I didn't have luck.

But if I play that way, you know, and if I'm able to keep on going that way, keep that aggressivity on the high level and be consistent in the strokes and just try to stick with him, you know, be all the time with him mentally as well, then I have a good chance.


Q. Is this the ultimate challenge in tennis, playing against Nadal on clay?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, yeah. In this position, yeah. In this period of the year when he's so dominant in last couple of years on this surface, he's never lost a match on the center court in the French Open, you know, he's ‑‑ all to his favor.

But it's a big challenge for me, I think, as the third player of the world and Grand Slam winner this year.

He has, you know, things have quite changed since the last year playing on clay. I think I have more quality in my game and more variety, so hopefully I can use it against him.


Q. Do you think it's a bigger challenge playing Rafa here or playing Roger at Wimbledon?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I don't know. I never played Roger in Wimbledon, so I can't say.


Q. The question is like completing the other question. The challenge of trying to beat Nadal for the first time in Paris, is it for you as strong as or wanting to win the French Open almost, like somebody's going to stop Nadal, being the one who's going to stop him? Is it for you as important as winning the Grand Slam?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No, I don't want to get into the book ‑‑ in the book of the history by beating Nadal. You know, it's not my priority goal. My priority goal is to keep on winning, keep on playing well, and then just trying to get as far as I can in the tournament. Winning the Grand Slam title is, of course, much more important.


Q. Are you going to have a different technique, or are you going to play as usual against Nadal?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I just said how I'm going to play.


Q. Is it fair to say that probably you are physically in the best possible shape to play this match? I think in the past you haven't been able to play as well as you would have liked because you've had an injury or two. Is it fair to say that you are in the best shape you could possibly be?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I think, yes. I think I'm on the top of my shape, at least confidence, you know. I've been winning a lot this year, and I approached the big matches in the big events much different than the past years.

So this can be one of the keys in the upcoming match, and of course physical strength, which is very important. The fact that I'm going to have two days now to rest and recover is encouraging for me.

Still talking about the bad luck from Hamburg :lol: :lol: Okay so he knows it will be tough, believe es he can win, accepts Rafa looks great on clay this year but also knows he has improved a lot since last year.

RafaQ. Are you playing against the contemporary players, or you're playing against the history and Bjørn Borg, who lost only 32 games in '78? You lost 25 until today. So you can lose only seven games the next two matches. Did you know that?

RAFAEL NADAL: Is not 100% sure (laughter.) For sure I going ‑‑ I am playing against the opponent. Almagro today, Djokovic next round.

Anyway, going to be very tough match in semifinals. Djokovic is playing very well, so I have to play my best if I want to be in this final, no?


Q. How would you rate how you're playing here this year? Is this the best you've played on clay?

RAFAEL NADAL: You know, it is a little bit strange, this tournament, no? The center court always is a little bit difficult have the best feeling, because it's very big. There is a lot of wind there, and sometimes it's not easy play. Well, not easy have the best feeling.

But, you know, I am improving all the week during the tournament. I play better and better every match, and sure today was my best match in the tournament. Hope continuing play better.

Q. If you had to name a favorite for the semifinal against Djokovic, would you be happy saying that you're the favorite?

RAFAEL NADAL: Up to you. I not going to say nothing who is the favorite, no? I think it's open match. We had very tough match in Hamburg two weeks ago, so anything can happen.

Q. What do you expect for your next match against Djokovic? Are you going to play in exactly the same way or more aggressive?

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, I hope it's going to be like the last time, especially if I win. But I know it's going to be a difficult match. He is very good so far this year. He plays at a very high level, but I also play well.

I reached the semifinals of a Grand Slam tournament. I played very good tournament on clay, but so did he. Anything can happen.

I'm aware of the fact that if I'm not playing at 100% it's going to be very difficult for me to win this match, so I need to play at 100%.

Q. Djokovic wins very often, but he has more tight results, and you've won very easily.

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, reaching the semifinal having been submitted to more pressure, having won more points can be positive. Having won easily, then maybe you've never experienced pressure or tension, which doesn't mean I don't play well. I play in a very consistent fashion.

But I think, you know, this is just talk, talk, talk. What is important is play well on the court on Friday, and we'll see who wins. It can be one or the other. We're used to coping with pressure, with tension. We're used to playing these matches, and it's going to be a difficult match for both of us.

Q. Playing Djokovic is always difficult and dangerous. On clay you have an added value, so you walk on the court knowing that you have an advantage as compared to other surfaces.

RAFAEL NADAL: As I said, all matches are different and open. This is what we saw in Hamburg. Of course, I prefer playing on clay in the semifinal rather than playing on hard surfaces, but he can play very beautiful tennis on clay.

He won at Rome; semifinal in Hamburg; semifinal in Monaco, and he lost to me or to Federer. He also reached the semifinal here in Paris. That's the second time in a row, so he's a very good player on clay, quite clearly.


Rafa :inlove:

"But I think, you know, this is just talk, talk, talk. What is important is play well on the court on Friday, and we'll see who wins. It can be one or the other. We're used to coping with pressure, with tension. We're used to playing these matches, and it's going to be a difficult match for both of us."

Exactly.

groundstroke
06-03-2008, 05:56 PM
I really should vote for Nadal but I have a tricky feeling Djokovic may take this.

Collective
06-03-2008, 06:04 PM
How can the question be "who will win?" Is that in doubt? really?

It will be 2 breaks, 1 break, then 2 breaks again for Rafa, that if Nole doesn't retire during the third set on a sore eyelash

RedFury
06-03-2008, 06:05 PM
Seriously though, Redfury how about toning down the gloating and the smugness a bit ?

Sure. As soon as I see the Nadal-bashing hatefest that regularly comes after one of his wins, I'll be sure to do that.

Meanwhile, may the best ass win. :cool:

tangerine_dream
06-03-2008, 06:10 PM
After a week's worth of :zzz: matches I really hope this semifinal lives up to the hype. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/eatdrink062.gif

Novak's chutzpah speaks again:

"Of course he's a favorite," Djokovic said. "But I don't want to go out there in the semis and just try my best. I want to win."

I don't hear any other player saying that.

"He plays at a very high level," Nadal said, "but I also play well."

:devil:

Collective
06-03-2008, 06:10 PM
Reading the press conference we must concede Novak is going with the right attitude, and attitude goes a long way.

*Ljubica*
06-03-2008, 06:13 PM
If Nole won, I would be the happiest person in the world - and it would be the best thing I could hope or wish for in a (tennis) sense. But, realistically, if he plays as passively as he did today he has no chance. But I will still be proud of his achievements, reaching five consecutive Grand Slam semi finals - only 3 other players in the past 40 years have achieved that and it is a great feat, especially as he is still so young. Ajde Nole:hug:

Corey Feldman
06-03-2008, 06:31 PM
Reading the press conference we must concede Novak is going with the right attitude, and attitude goes a long way.Sure

but, even if he doesnt believe that... he's still gotta bluff it anyway, unlike that utter pansy assed Almagro.

roddicking
06-03-2008, 06:50 PM
Djokovic is a very tough player in big matches,I think he definitely have a chance to end Nadal's RG streak.

Herdwick
06-03-2008, 07:29 PM
Reading the press conference we must concede Novak is going with the right attitude, and attitude goes a long way.

It's the only possible attitude - anything else is suicide. Really can't see past Rafa here - he's a phenomenon on clay and in an era sans Fed he'd be more widely acknowledged as such. Hope Nole gets a set at least though.

tennizen
06-03-2008, 07:34 PM
I think this match will be a thrilling five setter. And Ferrer will demolish the winner in the final.

Matrix
06-03-2008, 07:37 PM
Most of the posters are obviously just a funboys/girls, nothing to do with pro sports at all.
So, no surprise they can't see what is very clear:

This is going to be a BIG FIGHT.

tennizen
06-03-2008, 07:39 PM
So, no surprise they can't see what is very clear:

This is going to be a BIG FIGHT.

Even you don't see clearly enough. This is going to be BIG,BIG, BIG FIGHT

dylan24
06-03-2008, 07:39 PM
wtf, make it a public poll or don't put one up at all
stupid

Clara Bow
06-03-2008, 07:51 PM
Love that quote from Rafa in the presser
But I think, you know, this is just talk, talk, talk. What is important is play well on the court on Friday, and we'll see who wins. It can be one or the other. We're used to coping with pressure, with tension. We're used to playing these matches, and it's going to be a difficult match for both of us.

Seems like both guys are going into the semi with a good attitude. I can't see after the form he displayed in Hamburg Nole doing a retirement- he believes he can win. And I think it helps Rafa that he played Nole when Nole was showing some great stuff at Hamburg.

FedFan_2007
06-03-2008, 07:54 PM
Djokovic wins 6-4, 7-6, 6-4.

FedFan_2007
06-03-2008, 07:56 PM
Most of the posters are obviously just a funboys/girls, nothing to do with pro sports at all.
So, no surprise they can't see what is very clear:

This is going to be a BIG FIGHT.

No, Rafatards insist that hand Rafa his 4th Roland Garros trophy already. He doesn't even need to play the SF and final. It's a foregone conclusion that he will beat Djoko/Fed.

kobulingam
06-03-2008, 07:58 PM
What would the scoreline have been had Almagro played Djokovic in the
QF and played at the level he showed in the match (pathetic first
serve % and weak second serves without much kick)?


I think it would be a similar scoreline. Djokovic would have won just
as easily, but MIGHT have cruised a bit more and not worried about
getting the triple breadstrick. Or he might have triple bagelled Almagro. Point is it doesn't matter when the opponent is outclassed.


Nobody has tested Nadal. His first opponent was the only one who
tested him.


The rest didn't show up. Verdasco played very very bad. Almagro
outdid him.


Nadal didn't have to use top gear in these matches, so nothing can be
predicted.


Djokovic vs Nadal WILL BE a close encounter.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 08:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

This has more relevance.

Clara Bow
06-03-2008, 08:01 PM
No, Rafatards insist that hand Rafa his 4th Roland Garros trophy already. He doesn't even need to play the SF and final. It's a foregone conclusion that he will beat Djoko/Fed.

Well, you do a nice job of counter-balancing that...always predicting Rafa will lose. :p

If he does lose- I can't agree with you that it will be in three sets.

Jaap
06-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Seeing as you're not choosing to take PMs Raging Lamb, aka Raging Mug.....how can you give me a warning for racism? No where near racist. Is Djokovic not a Serb?
Get a grip, FFS.

Vida
06-03-2008, 08:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

This has more relevance.

:lol:

sheeesss, you got me there ...

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-03-2008, 08:17 PM
Have look at Betfair

Favorites to win:

Fed - 1.88
Novak - 5.5
Nadal - 8.4

Even the experts feel that Novak has a better chance at Wimb than Rafa. I'm not saying with 100% conviction that Nadal won't reach another final mind you, just that Novak has a better shot of getting to finals than Nadal.

I don't agree with these odds. I would put Nadal's chances above Djokovic's at Wimbledon although way below on hardcourts. The main reason is that Novak can't generate any real spin on his backhand and so will struggle to hit through low bouncing shots, the prime example being Fed's slice backhand. Tall players with double-handers are great at hitting down on high-bouncing shots but useless at scooping up low slices on grass. Nadal on the other hand can easily generate enough spin to get the ball up and down and there several examples last year of him managing to get even the lowest slices over the high part of the net, with pace, from mid-court positions. Novak would never be able to do that.

Loremaster
06-03-2008, 08:19 PM
You can say that NOW! But are you telling me that you honestly thought he was gonna win practically everything in 2006???

99% is an overestimate on my part, I'll give you that, but my point still remains: They are right MOST of the time. They wouldn't be in that business if they waren't. They are not just picking the winner...complex formulas are used and practically everything is taken into account.

Dude what have you been smoking ? I want some of that shit. Where are you buying your stuff.
Bookies are wrong too many times to judge someone chances.
in RG mens singles bookies were wrong a lot of times. Too many times to base opinion on that. You can't make judgements based on 60% correct opinions.

And Rafa proved that he is terrific grass court player - 2 finals, and players he has beaten are great names.
Also he moves much better on grass than Nole, who is slipping all the time (same problem that Jankovic has) he is in fact moving worse on grass than on hard and clay.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 08:19 PM
:lol:

sheeesss, you got me there ...

Have some of this.

http://www.schumacherimports.com/images/slivovitz-lg.jpg

rocketassist
06-03-2008, 08:21 PM
Nadal moves as well on grass as anyone, that's one of the prime factors behind his success playing on it.

peterparker
06-03-2008, 08:28 PM
Dude what have you been smoking ? I want some of that shit. Where are you buying your stuff.
Bookies are wrong too many times to judge someone chances.
in RG mens singles bookies were wrong a lot of times. Too many times to base opinion on that. You can't make judgements based on 60% correct opinions.

And Rafa proved that he is terrific grass court player - 2 finals, and players he has beaten are great names.
Also he moves much better on grass than Nole, who is slipping all the time (same problem that Jankovic has) he is in fact moving worse on grass than on hard and clay.


Ofcourse bookies are wrong, but they are more right than a random poster on the internets. That's how they stay in business!

Parker

Kuhne
06-03-2008, 08:35 PM
Djokovic has all the tools to beat Rafa in the semis but I don't think he is mentaly ready. Most likely Rafa will win in straights (and cost me 100 bucks most likely) and if Djokovic pulls off the upset then I am 100 bucks richer but they will be the most sour 100 bucks ever won cos I rather lose those 100 bucks and have Rafa play Roger in the final than make a 100 bucks and have Djokovic make another slam final.

So yes, interestingly enough, I want to lose this bet.

Well, I actualy wont lose unless Rafa wins the FO but if it's Roger vs Rafa in the final, Fed is gona choke it out as allways :)

arm
06-03-2008, 08:37 PM
Djokovic has all the tools to beat Rafa in the semis but I don't think he is mentaly ready. Most likely Rafa will win in straights (and cost me 100 bucks most likely) and if Djokovic pulls off the upset then I am 100 bucks richer but they will be the most sour 100 bucks ever won cos I rather lose those 100 bucks and have Rafa play Roger in the final than make a 100 bucks and have Djokovic make another slam final.

So yes, interestingly enough, I want to lose this bet.

Well, I actualy wont lose unless Rafa wins the FO but if it's Roger vs Rafa in the final, Fed is gona choke it out as allways :)

What a dilemma! :hug:

ASP0315
06-03-2008, 08:45 PM
nadal 6-1 6-0 2-0 djoko retires

Vida
06-03-2008, 08:50 PM
Nice find PMK. Thanks.

As for match prediction, let me add my own to the pile .... :

Well yeah, Nadal is a big favorite, no question. No need to delude ourselves. Those technique related issues (2hbh mainly) are a plus, but I cant see Djoko taking this one. A lot will depend on weather though. If its heavy and wet, than Djoko might have some plus. He hits deep this way or another, but it will be better for him if he has more time to reach Rafas balls. (exactly why Hamburg match shouldn't be taken into account much).

I'm pretty sure we will have a good Djoko show-up, and not the sluggish one from earlier rounds. Guy lives for these kinda matches. As for Nadal ... well the guy is an abomination - a unity of man and surface, a Master of the Universe, one who walks like he swims .... a perfect specimen. ...

Toilet paper anyone ?

spriwi
06-03-2008, 09:05 PM
rafa in 3 sets

Aloimeh
06-03-2008, 09:19 PM
What the players are saying:

Nole



Still talking about the bad luck from Hamburg :lol: :lol: Okay so he knows it will be tough, believe es he can win, accepts Rafa looks great on clay this year but also knows he has improved a lot since last year.

Rafa

Rafa :inlove:

"But I think, you know, this is just talk, talk, talk. What is important is play well on the court on Friday, and we'll see who wins. It can be one or the other. We're used to coping with pressure, with tension. We're used to playing these matches, and it's going to be a difficult match for both of us."

Exactly.

Both have just the right attitude. And I think both are being honest. Nadal is wary, humble, careful to not rest on his laurels, and Djokovic is confident and hopeful for a very difficult task that lies ahead.

MIMIC
06-03-2008, 09:20 PM
I voted for Nadal but I am hoping for an upset.

Merton
06-03-2008, 09:20 PM
Nothing more to add than what I said here on Sunday: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=7134583&postcount=106

MaryX
06-03-2008, 09:20 PM
Nadal will win this, hard to imagine otherwise.But, I am sure Fed fans will cheer for Novak.They could bring crucial positive energy to Nole ;) . If Nole magically wins, Federer' chances increase.

tnosugar
06-03-2008, 09:30 PM
I can't see Nole winning. Nadal's form is monstrous. It's as if he has control over all the physical variables on clay in RG. Nothing seems to be able to put him off guard.
Maybe the officials should order him to untie his shoelaces to make it an even contest :)

Sunset of Age
06-03-2008, 09:35 PM
Raf in three, no question here.
That said - unless Djoko retires again, of course. :rolleyes:

Merton
06-03-2008, 09:38 PM
Opening odds from betfair are surprisingly low: Nadal 1.22:1, the implied probability of Nadal winning is about 83%.

scarecrows
06-03-2008, 09:41 PM
Opening odds from betfair are surprisingly low: Nadal 1.22:1, the implied probability of Nadal winning is about 83%.

somewhat around the poll result so far

Tennis-Engineer
06-03-2008, 09:42 PM
I think Nadal 3-1. Djokovic can win a set but not more.

Sunset of Age
06-03-2008, 09:42 PM
Opening odds from betfair are surprisingly low: Nadal 1.22:1, the implied probability of Nadal winning is about 83%.

Thanks for the tip, I'm going to put some nice cash on Raf right now! :D

Jaap
06-03-2008, 09:43 PM
Opening odds from betfair are surprisingly low: Nadal 1.22:1, the implied probability of Nadal winning is about 83%.

Should be 1.03

Albop
06-03-2008, 09:50 PM
Nadal in 3

Q. You will play more aggressive than Hamburg, like the beginning of the match when you are winning? Or what do you think about?

NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I think Hamburg was really good match for me. I was really unfortunate. I mean, I don't think it can happen second time that I am so unfortunate on a lot of break points and in important moments I hit so many lets and even the string breaks, things like that. I didn't have luck.

What an idiot.

Beforehand
06-03-2008, 09:52 PM
I am sure Fed fans will cheer for Novak. They could bring crucial positive energy to Nole ;) . If Nole magically wins, Federer' chances increase.

To be honest, I'm pretty neutral about who wins, and though I wouldn't...prefer Nadal, let's say, that's who I expect to win, and am not really perturbed by it in any way.

Sunset of Age
06-03-2008, 10:10 PM
Nadal will win this, hard to imagine otherwise.But, I am sure Fed fans will cheer for Novak.They could bring crucial positive energy to Nole ;) . If Nole magically wins, Federer' chances increase.

There are in fact Fed fans around who like Raf as well. And even when they don't, most of them prefer Raf way above Nole. Check your facts, not that hard to find out.

~*BGT*~
06-03-2008, 10:27 PM
I just heard on ESPN 2 that the average number of games Nadal has lost per set is 2.

scarecrows
06-03-2008, 10:29 PM
those ESPN guys, always ahead of the rest

l_mac
06-03-2008, 10:30 PM
:haha: :haha: @ scarecrows

r2473
06-03-2008, 10:35 PM
Sounds like easy money...... except for that last part.

Thursday, June 5, 2008
Men's French Open 2008 - Paris, France

Novak Djokovic +350

Rafael Nadal -550

Match must be completed within 72 hours of schedule for wagers to have action. If either player retires before the matchup is completed, all wagers will be settled as no action.

stebs
06-03-2008, 10:37 PM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.

P.S - I think most of the posts in this thread are knee-jerk. Nadal destroys Mucho whilst Gulbis runs Djokovic close and all of a sudden this match is a walkover for Nadal. Tennis doesn't work like that.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 10:41 PM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.

P.S - I think most of the posts in this thread are knee-jerk. Nadal destroys Mucho whilst Gulbis runs Djokovic close and all of a sudden this match is a walkover for Nadal. Tennis doesn't work like that.

:rolleyes:

stebs, you should know by now that GM is no place for reasonable analysis.

Come to the Rafa forum - as you are aware, we love it in there :banana:

Andi-M
06-03-2008, 10:45 PM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.

P.S - I think most of the posts in this thread are knee-jerk. Nadal destroys Mucho whilst Gulbis runs Djokovic close and all of a sudden this match is a walkover for Nadal. Tennis doesn't work like that.

I agree with this assesment.

Often winning too quickly and easily is a bad sign when your not having to save break points, and set points the whole tournament and your suddenly faced with it....you get tight.

Voo de Mar
06-03-2008, 10:48 PM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.



Very reasonable analysis, I fully agree :yeah:

mashamaniac
06-03-2008, 10:49 PM
For sre rafa will win this match easier thank anyone would expect!!! maybe with a bagel...

l_mac
06-03-2008, 10:51 PM
I agree with this assesment.

Often winning too quickly and easily is a bad sign when your not having to save break points, and set points the whole tournament and your suddenly faced with it....you get tight.
For many players this is true. But Nadal plays every point like he's bp down.

If he loses to Novak on Friday, it won't be due to a lack of intensity or focus from having too many easy matches.
For sre rafa will win this match easier thank anyone would expect!!! maybe with a bagel...

:spit:

I admire your optimism.

El Legenda
06-03-2008, 10:56 PM
Djokovic will win.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 11:16 PM
20% of the vote for novak tonight... wow...

Anyways

Nadal:

6-3 6-4 6-2

or

6-1 4-1 ret. (dizzy, constipated or his new socks were too slippery)

i wouldnt usually predict two scorelines but i feel concessions should be made for obvious reasons...

nadal was ATPschedule-fukt in Hamburg and still nailed the final two matches... animal...

fukn guy is Zues on clay at the mo...

elessar
06-03-2008, 11:45 PM
For sre rafa will win this match easier thank anyone would expect!!! maybe with a bagel...
:worship:

rhinooooo
06-03-2008, 11:49 PM
Am I going mad here. I see people predicting 6-1's and easy straight sets. Am I the only one who thinks Novak stands a chance? I also think that Hamburg match, particularly being able to take the 2nd set after losing the first might be of benefit to him now...

prima donna
06-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Nadal in 4

Outfielder
06-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Nice poll result for Djokovic! Almost 18%.
He had only 3% chances on MTF to beat Roger in sraight sets in Melbourne.

But, this gonna be harder...

Aloimeh
06-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Am I going mad here. I see people predicting 6-1's and easy straight sets. Am I the only one who thinks Novak stands a chance? I also think that Hamburg match, particularly being able to take the 2nd set after losing the first might be of benefit to him now...

Aren't the idiots who are predicting a bagel (mashamaniac, please step forward) the best? People are thinking that because Nadal slaughtered Almagro he'll do the same to Djokovic. Nobody seems to notice that Gulbis played a lot better than Almagro, that Almagro is a total mug and mental midget, and that this is all about matchups. Novak matches up better against Nadal than he does against Gulbis! I know that sounds ridiculous, because is clearly the superior clay court player whereas Djokovic is clearly superior to Gulbis, but if we compare their games, we see that Gulbis has one weapon that is rather harder for Novak to counter - the powerful serve. Novak's a great returner, but it's no accident that the Gulbis match was close nor that he lost to Roddick in Dubai.

People keep on saying that Novak's chances are slimmer than in Hamburg because of the clay, but I think they may be better. Novak is a great returner - in my view as good as Federer - and Nadal's topspin (even on RG clay) against Novak's backhand won't do nearly as much damage as it does against Federer's backhand. On the other hand, Roland Garros clay will also support a powerful serve better than Hamburg, and Novak's serve is excellent in general and he's been serving substantially better now than in Hamburg. Furthermore, Novak must have learned some things from the Hamburg match and I'm sure has modified his tactics a bit and is better prepared this time.

Outfielder
06-04-2008, 12:22 AM
...People keep on saying that Novak's chances are slimmer than in Hamburg because of the clay, but I think they may be better. Novak is a great returner - in my view as good as Federer - and Nadal's topspin (even on RG clay) against Novak's backhand won't do nearly as much damage as it does against Federer's backhand. On the other hand, Roland Garros clay will also support a powerful serve better than Hamburg, and Novak's serve is excellent in general and he's been serving substantially better now than in Hamburg. Furthermore, Novak must have learned some things from the Hamburg match and I'm sure has modified his tactics a bit and is better prepared this time.
:yeah:

Novak tactics in Hamburg was teriblle. He surpricely had advantage in relies, but he targeted net-game, which result that Nadal made lot easy passing shots.

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 12:24 AM
Aren't the idiots who are predicting a bagel (mashamaniac, please step forward) the best? People are thinking that because Nadal slaughtered Almagro he'll do the same to Djokovic. Nobody seems to notice that Gulbis played a lot better than Almagro, that Almagro is a total mug and mental midget, and that this is all about matchups. Novak matches up better against Nadal than he does against Gulbis! I know that sounds ridiculous, because is clearly the superior clay court player whereas Djokovic is clearly superior to Gulbis, but if we compare their games, we see that Gulbis has one weapon that is rather harder for Novak to counter - the powerful serve. Novak's a great returner, but it's no accident that the Gulbis match was close nor that he lost to Roddick in Dubai.

People keep on saying that Novak's chances are slimmer than in Hamburg because of the clay, but I think they may be better. Novak is a great returner - in my view as good as Federer - and Nadal's topspin (even on RG clay) against Novak's backhand won't do nearly as much damage as it does against Federer's backhand. On the other hand, Roland Garros clay will also support a powerful serve better than Hamburg, and Novak's serve is excellent in general and he's been serving substantially better now than in Hamburg. Furthermore, Novak must have learned some things from the Hamburg match and I'm sure has modified his tactics a bit and is better prepared this time.

Clay Monster is 39-0 in best of 5 set matches on clay. he had 9 unforced errors today and hit for 47 winners.

in Hamburg, he hit 31 winners against Djokovic on a slow, damp court.

translation: Clay Monster will do what he has to do. Djokovic has to take all the risk. Nadal will just come to play for 6 hours if he has to. Yes Djokovic is better than Fed on clay and constitutes a bigger threat but he is not winning this match. not now and not on the red clay of Paris.

Nadal will play a clean match and create his opportunities. 2 days rest pretty much spells Djokovic`s extinction here. Nadal gets the rest and he gets in 4 hit sessions. a very dangerous combination.

the strategy is very clear for the clay monster. play a clean match and wear down Djokovic and the errors will come. he hits a deep ball and returns well and gets into the points, Djokovic wont stand a chance. not after 3 hours and not against the Clay Monster. not in Paris and NOT in a best of 5 sets match. and certainly not this year.

now the good news is that Nadal will slam the door yet once again on Fed. this time forever.

still a great post on your part Alomeih.

Lee
06-04-2008, 12:24 AM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.

P.S - I think most of the posts in this thread are knee-jerk. Nadal destroys Mucho whilst Gulbis runs Djokovic close and all of a sudden this match is a walkover for Nadal. Tennis doesn't work like that.


Execellent analysis! :yeah: Keep this up in GM, stebs!

Nice poll result for Djokovic! Almost 18%.
He had only 3% chances on MTF to beat Roger in sraight sets in Melbourne.

But, this gonna be harder...


Too bad the poll is not public, otherwise you will see lots of the votes for Djokovics are jinx.

luie
06-04-2008, 12:27 AM
nadal 6-4 6-3 6-0,,,,,Sorry Alohmeih no Golden slam or Grand slam for novak this year.... Truth is fed worse nightmare is also novak worse nightmare...BIG RAFA on homesoil...

littleash
06-04-2008, 12:50 AM
nadal in 3 6-0 6-0 5*-0 40*-0 retired.

Greenday
06-04-2008, 12:53 AM
Clay Monster is 39-0 in best of 5 set matches on clay. he had 9 unforced errors today and hit for 47 winners.

in Hamburg, he hit 31 winners against Djokovic on a slow, damp court.

translation: Clay Monster will do what he has to do. Djokovic has to take all the risk. Nadal will just come to play for 6 hours if he has to. Yes Djokovic is better than Fed on clay and constitutes a bigger threat but he is not winning this match. not now and not on the red clay of Paris.

Nadal will play a clean match and create his opportunities. 2 days rest pretty much spells Djokovic`s extinction here. Nadal gets the rest and he gets in 4 hit sessions. a very dangerous combination.

the strategy is very clear for the clay monster. play a clean match and wear down Djokovic and the errors will come. he hits a deep ball and returns well and gets into the points, Djokovic wont stand a chance. not after 3 hours and not against the Clay Monster. not in Paris and NOT in a best of 5 sets match. and certainly not this year.

now the good news is that Nadal will slam the door yet once again on Fed. this time forever.

:worship:....What made you think Djerk is better then fed on clay even after the spanking he got in MC?...Oh sorry I guess he had SORE THROAT!.....Djerk maybe a better matchup for nadal on clay then fed is...that doesn't mean he is better then fed on clay....If u have actually followed tennis for some time now...u should know tht fed is the only one who held matchpoints against rafa in a 5 set match on clay......rafa lost 4 sets in 05,06 and 07 at RG and 3 of them were to Fed....

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 01:12 AM
:worship:....What made you think Djerk is better then fed on clay even after the spanking he got in MC?...Oh sorry I guess he had SORE THROAT!.....Djerk maybe a better matchup for nadal on clay then fed is...that doesn't mean he is better then fed on clay....If u have actually followed tennis for some time now...u should know tht fed is the only one who held matchpoints against rafa in a 5 set match on clay......rafa lost 4 sets in 05,06 and 07 at RG and 3 of them were to Fed....


i am going by the current form and present day dynamics. forget about Fed. he may not even see the final here. if Gonzo can keep him on the court for 3+ hours and Ferru can destroy Monfils efficiently, Fed may be in some trouble for his semifinal match. Fed could lose that match. another scenario is that Fed is worn out for the final--both mentally and physically for a change and Nadal demolishes him.

Lucinda
06-04-2008, 01:30 AM
I think this will be another great match, with Nadal winning in the end. Djokovic is great on clay, but watchig his body language against Gulbis and how easily he got frustrated and angry, makes me believe that he's not ready mentally to beat Nadal on clay. That, coupled with the fact that Nadal's fitness and patience is superior to Djokovic's, seems to indicate Nadal will be the eventual winner. Also, it seems to me that Nadal is very good at adjusting to his opponent's attacks and weaknesses, and in a Grand Slam, where the matches last longer, that gives him more time to overcome any obstacles. I'd say Nadal wins in 4 sets.

nsidhan
06-04-2008, 01:32 AM
Never been so sure in my life.

NADAL!

tennizen
06-04-2008, 02:07 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jun/04/frenchopen.tennis1

Interesting article about the SF. This para a little bit more:lol:

Word has it that the normally equable Nadal has become a little irritated by Djokovic's cockiness. He beat him in both the French Open and Wimbledon semi-finals last year, but such is the Serb's propensity for getting inside the head of his opponents, including Federer whom he beat in the Australian Open semi-finals, that a win for Nadal cannot be altogether taken for granted, even on clay.

LinkMage
06-04-2008, 02:15 AM
Nadal in straights. :zzz:

Greenday
06-04-2008, 02:26 AM
i am going by the current form and present day dynamics. forget about Fed. he may not even see the final here. if Gonzo can keep him on the court for 3+ hours and Ferru can destroy Monfils efficiently, Fed may be in some trouble for his semifinal match. Fed could lose that match. another scenario is that Fed is worn out for the final--both mentally and physically for a change and Nadal demolishes him.

Man fed is lucky to get to QF and win 12 slams u know.....and ferrer who played a 5 setter with out of form hewitt and who could've very lost against stepanek and never won against federer is going to kick the shit out of federer in the semis if both make it there in a best of 5 set format in a GS semi.....am not saying tht cant happen......but thts not going by "current form" and "past results"......ur tennis knowledge is jus out of this world....u probably should try betting and u very well could make millions....

BigJohn
06-04-2008, 02:37 AM
Did not vote. I think Nadal will be the finalist, but he won't actually win the match.

I feel like a Floridian or a Michiganian.

Option 3: Djoko retires, whatever bs excuse.

sawan66278
06-04-2008, 02:37 AM
I think the Hamburg match, whilst in conditions that favoured Djokovic, does have some influence when analysing this matchup. Fact of the matter is Djokovic has a lot that he can hurt Nadal with. He may not have been on top form today but that doesn't mean he CAN'T come out vs Nadal and play great. Djokovic has the power off both the BH and the FH to attack Nadal and the matchplay skills to know when to take the risks and when to play the longer rallies. He also has huge confidence in himself which may not endear him to the masses on MTF but is a good quality for a tennis player. When things get tight vs anyone else on tour on clay I see Nadal as the natural winner, I think he is stronger at big moments than Djokovic also on clay but not by far. Djokovic has the mind to take his chances if Nadal isn't playing a great match.

All of that said, Djokovic is not as good as Nadal on clay and he will probably lose this match. I think the Serb will take a set and stretch Nadal for long periods. I fully expect this match to be around the four hour mark if it is four sets, these two can keep up intensity like nobody else on tour. So, Nadal for the win but not without difficulties and a few times when Djokovic will seem to have chances.

P.S - I think most of the posts in this thread are knee-jerk. Nadal destroys Mucho whilst Gulbis runs Djokovic close and all of a sudden this match is a walkover for Nadal. Tennis doesn't work like that.

Excellent analysis again, Steb. Two other VERY important points:

1. No other center court has as much running room as RG's main stage. This is a HUGE advantage for Rafa...because it gives him even more room to scramble and play defense. See match point today.

2. If the weather is warmer, the ball will bounce higher and quicker...another advantage for Rafa.

3. Fitness WILL play a role...Novak MUST win the first set to have any chance...otherwise, its a done deal in three or four.

Toko
06-04-2008, 02:38 AM
Ass-picker in straights.

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 02:38 AM
Man fed is lucky to get to QF and win 12 slams u know.....and ferrer who played a 5 setter with out of form hewitt and who could've very lost against stepanek and never won against federer is going to kick the shit out of federer in the semis if both make it there in a best of 5 set format in a GS semi.....am not saying tht cant happen......but thts not going by "current form" and "past results"......ur tennis knowledge is jus out of this world....u probably should try betting and u very well could make millions....


good post on your part. anything is possible. Ferru did take a set from Fed in Hamburg last year. lot of things will have to go right for Ferru in order to win. he will certainly need a tired Fed who makes a ton of errors.

another thing is that Ferru himself may be worn out from 2 back to back 5 set matches.

i am just speculating here. i dont think Fed is in form right now Gonzo may push him a little.

only thing i am certain of is this: who ever is on the other side of the net from the Clay Monster will be destroyed.

just tell Djokovic and Fed to pray for death.

RogerFan82
06-04-2008, 02:54 AM
If the 5 remaining players (Djoke, Fed, Gonzo, Ferrer, Gael) left on the draw apart from Nadal can all play on one side of the court against Nadal, they can win in 3 sets. Fed positions himeself close to the net and takes care of all the volleying. Gonzo stands on the baseline on the deuce court and pounds away monster forehands while Djoke stands on the ad court and uses his "powerful 2 handed BH" (term patented by CD). Ferrer stands 2 feet behind the baseline and gets anything missed by Gonzo and Djoke, while monfils stands at his cutomary position of 15 feet behind the baseline and just watches the proceedings :p (if lucky he might get a shot or two.). :devil: :devil:

On a more serious note, I think Djoke can and will push Nadal, but still can't see him winning it. As for Fed, hopefully he gets to the final and then some miracle happens.

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 03:07 AM
If the 5 remaining players (Djoke, Fed, Gonzo, Ferrer, Gael) left on the draw apart from Nadal can all play on one side of the court against Nadal, they can win in 3 sets. Fed positions himeself close to the net and takes care of all the volleying. Gonzo stands on the baseline on the deuce court and pounds away monster forehands while Djoke stands on the ad court and uses his "powerful 2 handed BH" (term patented by CD). Ferrer stands 2 feet behind the baseline and gets anything missed by Gonzo and Djoke, while monfils stands at his cutomary position of 15 feet behind the baseline and just watches the proceedings :p (if lucky he might get a shot or two.). :devil: :devil:

On a more serious note, I think Djoke can and will push Nadal, but still can't see him winning it. As for Fed, hopefully he gets to the final and then some miracle happens.

great post. i am still laughing. too funny.

FedFan_2007
06-04-2008, 03:50 AM
If the 5 remaining players (Djoke, Fed, Gonzo, Ferrer, Gael) left on the draw apart from Nadal can all play on one side of the court against Nadal, they can win in 3 sets. Fed positions himeself close to the net and takes care of all the volleying. Gonzo stands on the baseline on the deuce court and pounds away monster forehands while Djoke stands on the ad court and uses his "powerful 2 handed BH" (term patented by CD). Ferrer stands 2 feet behind the baseline and gets anything missed by Gonzo and Djoke, while monfils stands at his cutomary position of 15 feet behind the baseline and just watches the proceedings :p (if lucky he might get a shot or two.). :devil: :devil:

On a more serious note, I think Djoke can and will push Nadal, but still can't see him winning it. As for Fed, hopefully he gets to the final and then some miracle happens.

I don't find it funny at all. Nadal is not so godlike as you paint. The bumrooting Mallorcan will come crashing to a halt in 2 days! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Aloimeh
06-04-2008, 04:06 AM
I don't find it funny at all. Nadal is not so godlike as you paint. The bumrooting Mallorcan will come crashing to a halt in 2 days! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

You are so desperate. You want the guy you've been bashing for months to take out Nadal because your idol, the so-called GOAT, is incapable of doing the job because he's Nadal b!tch on clay. :haha:

leng jai
06-04-2008, 04:11 AM
If the 5 remaining players (Djoke, Fed, Gonzo, Ferrer, Gael) left on the draw apart from Nadal can all play on one side of the court against Nadal, they can win in 3 sets. Fed positions himeself close to the net and takes care of all the volleying. Gonzo stands on the baseline on the deuce court and pounds away monster forehands while Djoke stands on the ad court and uses his "powerful 2 handed BH" (term patented by CD). Ferrer stands 2 feet behind the baseline and gets anything missed by Gonzo and Djoke, while monfils stands at his cutomary position of 15 feet behind the baseline and just watches the proceedings :p (if lucky he might get a shot or two.). :devil: :devil:

On a more serious note, I think Djoke can and will push Nadal, but still can't see him winning it. As for Fed, hopefully he gets to the final and then some miracle happens.

You need Steps somewhere providing the antics after every point :p

BaggyGreen92
06-04-2008, 04:17 AM
Nadal has an unblemished record at the French Open. To add to that he has gotten this far in the tournament by losing merely 25 games. Nadal is just getting better and better. Nadal in tight, striaght sets.

Mimi
06-04-2008, 04:19 AM
yeah, FedFan2007 sometimes praised nadal and bashed novak, and sometimes bashed nadal and praised novak :scratch:, i guess he praised either one of them when their won/defeat will favour his master Roger who he kow-tow every day :scratch::secret:
You are so desperate. You want the guy you've been bashing for months to take out Nadal because your idol, the so-called GOAT, is incapable of doing the job because he's Nadal b!tch on clay. :haha:

Forehander
06-04-2008, 04:24 AM
Fedfan 2007 is a person who loves and hates a player. She's a huge Federer fan, but whenever Federer loses she gets so pissed off that she would start going crazy and talk about how shit Federer is etc... But when Federer wins she's in general very happy, but still in doubt of his future progress with his consistency,. Therefore she would expect him to lose the next match so that when he really loses she may feel better since she already expected it. But these are all just outta surface, inside she loves Federer and is so so so very upset about his loss. To counter that she starts blabbing horrible things about Federer. Love and hate are from the same root.

Lee
06-04-2008, 04:30 AM
If the 5 remaining players (Djoke, Fed, Gonzo, Ferrer, Gael) left on the draw apart from Nadal can all play on one side of the court against Nadal, they can win in 3 sets. Fed positions himeself close to the net and takes care of all the volleying. Gonzo stands on the baseline on the deuce court and pounds away monster forehands while Djoke stands on the ad court and uses his "powerful 2 handed BH" (term patented by CD). Ferrer stands 2 feet behind the baseline and gets anything missed by Gonzo and Djoke, while monfils stands at his cutomary position of 15 feet behind the baseline and just watches the proceedings :p (if lucky he might get a shot or two.). :devil: :devil:

On a more serious note, I think Djoke can and will push Nadal, but still can't see him winning it. As for Fed, hopefully he gets to the final and then some miracle happens.

Who's going to serve?

Emptyseat
06-04-2008, 04:31 AM
I think Djokovic has a chance. Surprising no one else thinks so. Jokes seems to welcome challenges and you can bet he is going to prepare well for this match. Granted Nadal is a better player on clay, but he has shown a tendency to be lethargic in the first set. If jokes can muster together some break points like he did in Hamburg, and steal the first set, the pressure could be on Nadal. Nadal is the huge favorite to come out on top and I do not disagree with that notion, however, I do see a possibility for jokes to make it extremely tough for Nadal, and maybe, just maybe surprise the tennis world.

RogerFan82
06-04-2008, 04:34 AM
Who's going to serve?

Djoke and fed take turns serving. The remaining three don't. Knowing Djoke, he will probably aim for Fed's ass, when serving.:devil:

Farenhajt
06-04-2008, 04:36 AM
You are so desperate. You want the guy you've been bashing for months to take out Nadal because your idol, the so-called GOAT, is incapable of doing the job because he's Nadal b!tch on clay. :haha:

Well, Hemiola, when your loverboy proves to be impotent beyond any repairing capabilities of Viagra, you're entitled to find a new torpedo for your bay ;)

Lee
06-04-2008, 04:37 AM
Djoke and fed take turns serving. The remaining three don't. Knowing Djoke, he will probably aim for Fed's ass, when serving.:devil:

Then you underestimate Nole. He WANTS to win at all prices so he won't aim at Fed's ass.

Forehander
06-04-2008, 04:38 AM
i am going by the current form and present day dynamics. forget about Fed. he may not even see the final here. if Gonzo can keep him on the court for 3+ hours and Ferru can destroy Monfils efficiently, Fed may be in some trouble for his semifinal match. Fed could lose that match. another scenario is that Fed is worn out for the final--both mentally and physically for a change and Nadal demolishes him.

I disagree with you on this one but we'll see how it goes. Federer MIGHT (i seriously doubt) have a TINY hard time with Gonzalez. But against Ferrer it would a piece of cake.

General Suburbia
06-04-2008, 04:52 AM
4 sets. Expect to see one weird one where Djoke wins 6-2 or at the very least has a huge lead to eventually blow. The rest of the match is never in doubt, Nadal is steamrolling everyone without blinking.

Nadal_Fanatic
06-04-2008, 05:11 AM
nonsense :rolleyes:
Wimbledon = green clay
Nonsense. I even looked up stats to disprove this myth. The only thing you could say is similar to green clay is the Aussie Open.
Well my theory of court speed is the higher the breaking percentage, the slower the surface is. I decided to do a bunch of tedious work to get the breaking percentage of all 4 slams and some of the Master Series. Anyways here are the numbers.
Wimbledon Breaking Percentage (Total) 17.337%
US Open Breaking Percentage (Total) 21.87%
Aussie Open Breaking Percentage (Total) 23.179%
Roland Garros Breaking Percentage (Total) 24.132%
Monte Carlo Breaking Percentage (Total) 29.22%
Hamburg Breaking Percentage (Total) 26.8%
Rome Breaking Percentage (Total) 23.34%
Miami Breaking Percentage (Total) 21.698%
Indian Wells Breaking Percentage (Total) 22.97%

Puschkin
06-04-2008, 05:28 AM
Heart and head in agreement: Nadal.

davis
06-04-2008, 05:39 AM
I believe Nadal in 3, for simple viewing pleasure I hope for at least 4 sets. Come on guys, don't let it be too lopsided! :cool:

Rafa is playing such beautiful tennis right now, I really, really hope he'll get his 4th title here!

its.like.that
06-04-2008, 05:55 AM
I didn't know that we have 43 morons on this board :eek:.

Knightmace
06-04-2008, 08:03 AM
Nadal. 6-4,7-6,7-6

Pixie
06-04-2008, 08:26 AM
It certainly won't be a 3 setters IMO and it would be good to see Djokovic pushing Nadal to a fifth. Novak has got his chances, albeit very tiny, but the better clay player is Nadal so I don't expect much surprise here.

Hope it'll be high quality like in Hambourg though.

yanchr
06-04-2008, 09:30 AM
They will be engaged in a dog fight for this match. Won't be anywhere near easy for Nadal. But very slim chance for Djokovic. Nadal in 4.

Jaap
06-04-2008, 09:32 AM
If Djoko couldn't beat him on a low bouncing indoor court over 3 sets at Rafa's least favourite venue in Hamburg, then he is certainly not going to do it in Paris over 5 sets.

leng jai
06-04-2008, 09:33 AM
I didn't know that we have 43 morons on this board :eek:.

43,000 morons is closer to the mark.

yanchr
06-04-2008, 09:33 AM
I disagree with you on this one but we'll see how it goes. Federer MIGHT (i seriously doubt) have a TINY hard time with Gonzalez. But against Ferrer it would a piece of cake.
I agree with this.

Federer should be easily in for another RG Sunday, tragedy :sad:

Acer
06-04-2008, 09:38 AM
Nadal in four

Shirogane
06-04-2008, 09:39 AM
Rafa in 4 tough sets.

Deivid23
06-04-2008, 11:18 AM
It´s either Djokovic in 4 or Nadal in 5 sets imo, but if this match is not close I´d be very very surprised

Pigsarestupid
06-04-2008, 12:28 PM
I really want Nadal to win, even if I think Federer would win the whole tournament if the Joke defeats Nadal, I couldnt stand the possibility of Djoko defeating Nadal and Federer and win the french open.

piksi
06-04-2008, 01:19 PM
while Nadal is probably going to win the match - does anyone really believe that Novak won't put up a fight like he did in Hamburg ? They played the best match of the season there and there is no reason to believe that they won't do it again tomorrow with Nadal winning it.

Auscon
06-04-2008, 01:40 PM
If Rafa wins the first 2 sets comfortably, Djokovic to retire

Djokovic will surely put up alot more fight than everyone else so far, but he's not going to take down the king

zeleni
06-04-2008, 01:55 PM
I voted Nadal, although I would like Nole to win.

It will be great match like in Hamburg, I hope.

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 02:10 PM
Nadal obviously. He is extremely focussed at the moment and I can't see how Djokovic can beat him (ultimate jinx - hope not).

Djokovic hits a deep, penetrating ball and his backhand is the best in the business. his backhand cvan handle heavy topspin.

he also has a monster serve which he backs uo with leathal ground game.

translation: Djokovic gets a set. this match has 4 sets written all over it. Nadal will eventually wear him down. there is absolutely no escape from death for Djokovic in this match.

habibko
06-04-2008, 05:43 PM
Djokovic hits a deep, penetrating ball and his backhand is the best in the business. his backhand cvan handle heavy topspin.

he also has a monster serve which he backs uo with leathal ground game.

translation: Djokovic gets a set. this match has 4 sets written all over it. Nadal will eventually wear him down. there is absolutely no escape from death for Djokovic in this match.

it will be a huge achievement for him to win a set against Nadal IMO, that won't be easy at all, Nadal means business and he has shown it all this week and half, I say Rafa in 3 close sets :)

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 05:52 PM
it will be a huge achievement for him to win a set against Nadal IMO, that won't be easy at all, Nadal means business and he has shown it all this week and half, I say Rafa in 3 close sets :)


well as i suggested, Djokovic does have a huge serve and if he is on, he could run away with a set. Nadal will eventually start to get a good read on his serve and then he will start to tighten the screws.

i agree with you. he looks to be all business. the word on the street is that he is a bit annoyed at Djokovic`s excessive cockyness. that may be a small factor but the biggest factor is that Nadal is not ready to lose his #2 rank and his status as the King of Clay at the same time.

i think he will fight to the bitter end if he has to. ultimately Djokovic`s fitness will brought into question. Nadal will make it a 4-5 hour match if he has to.

MrChopin
06-04-2008, 06:05 PM
Djokovic must win the first set to have a chance. Fed RG '07, Nole Hamburg '08, Fed Hamburg '08... to fight back into the match against Nadal is completely draining. In all three of these matches, a first set should have been won by Nadal's opponent. It wasn't, and after leveling the match, both seemed at a loss while Rafa remained frustratingly consistent.

I think Nadal wins this in three, something like 7-5, 7-6, 6-2. Nadal looks more focused now than Hamburg, too focused to let Djoke beat him at the beginning. If Nadal takes the first two, Djoke will go away in the third. Novak could grab one of the first two, but either way, I don't think Novak will have much in the tank for set three and beyond; Rafa will have just hit third gear.

Clay Death
06-04-2008, 06:11 PM
Djokovic must win the first set to have a chance. Fed RG '07, Nole Hamburg '08, Fed Hamburg '08... to fight back into the match against Nadal is completely draining. In all three of these matches, a first set should have been won by Nadal's opponent. It wasn't, and after leveling the match, both seemed at a loss while Rafa remained frustratingly consistent.

I think Nadal wins this in three, something like 7-5, 7-6, 6-2. Nadal looks more focused now than Hamburg, too focused to let Djoke beat him at the beginning. If Nadal takes the first two, Djoke will go away in the third. Novak could grab one of the first two, but either way, I don't think Novak will have much in the tank for set three and beyond; Rafa will have just hit third gear.


probably spot on. each and every set against the Clay Monster is so draining. He will wear down Djokovic. he will undress him piece by piece both physically and mentally in broad daylight.

Djokovic should have nothing left in the tank in the 4th hour. he will be praying for death.

ImmzB
06-04-2008, 06:18 PM
Nadal in 3

Nadal is playing great tennis!!

Djokovic will be lucky if he can get more then 10 Games

Sunset of Age
06-04-2008, 06:20 PM
probably spot on. each and every set against the Clay Monster is so draining. He will wear down Djokovic. he will undress him piece by piece both physically and mentally in broad daylight.


:scared: :bolt:

:haha:

Heavenseventeen
06-04-2008, 06:48 PM
nadal in 3 6-0 6-0 5*-0 40*-0 retired.

:haha:

Nadal_Fanatic
06-04-2008, 08:48 PM
while Nadal is probably going to win the match - does anyone really believe that Novak won't put up a fight like he did in Hamburg ? They played the best match of the season there and there is no reason to believe that they won't do it again tomorrow with Nadal winning it.
Putting up a fight and succeeding at the fighting are 2 different things. I think Djokovic will struggle with the high-bouncing clay in Roland Garros. Hamburg was a lot different and the balls were in Djokovic's strike zone and a little low for Nadal.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
06-04-2008, 08:52 PM
I don't think there is any way Djokovic can win this match. He has the game to challenge Nadal (especially, as everyone says, because he is quite tall and hits a double-handed B/H very well, which goes some way to neutralising Nadal's F/H). His disadvantage is mental. Here's how the two players react when the going gets tough.

Nadal - Intensity level goes through the roof. Raging anger fuelled by hatred of losing. Glares furiously at opponent. Plays better and better. Strains every sinew and chases down every ball even when the point is lost and 40-0 down. Turns every point into a war. Intensity level never drops, even when the opponent's spirit breaks and the UEs start to flow. Starts to dominate with his F/H. Crushes opponent.

Djokovic - Doesn't want to be seen to be beaten. Develops "headache" or "sore throat." Retires.

camnation
06-04-2008, 08:53 PM
probably spot on. each and every set against the Clay Monster is so draining. He will wear down Djokovic. he will undress him piece by piece both physically and mentally in broad daylight.
Really? :D :hearts: :drool:

arm
06-04-2008, 08:58 PM
probably spot on. each and every set against the Clay Monster is so draining. He will wear down Djokovic. he will undress him piece by piece both physically and mentally in broad daylight.
Djokovic should have nothing left in the tank in the 4th hour. he will be praying for death.

Reaaaally? If he does so... Nadal :worship::clap2: Djokovic :inlove::hearts::drool:

10nisfan
06-04-2008, 09:50 PM
... Here's how the two players react when the going gets tough.

Nadal - Intensity level goes through the roof. Raging anger fuelled by hatred of losing. Glares furiously at opponent. Plays better and better. Strains every sinew and chases down every ball even when the point is lost and 40-0 down. Turns every point into a war. Intensity level never drops, even when the opponent's spirit breaks and the UEs start to flow. Starts to dominate with his F/H. Crushes opponent.

Djokovic - Doesn't want to be seen to be beaten. Develops "headache" or "sore throat." Retires.

:clap2::haha: I Hope You're Right on This ...

10nisfan
06-04-2008, 09:58 PM
Of course I voted for Rafa to Win this one... I hope I voted Right!!!...

If Djoker Wins, I hope Fedex will Kill him in the Finals to Avenge for the Loss of his Beloved Rafa... :lol:

Lucinda
06-04-2008, 11:40 PM
He will wear down Djokovic. he will undress him piece by piece both physically and mentally in broad daylight.

I often mentally undress Nadal piece by piece. If only I could do it physically... :sad:

MIMIC
06-05-2008, 08:12 AM
In Federer's post-match interview, he said that Djokovic has a chance against Nadal:

ROGER FEDERER: Well, to start with, I think he has a chance against Rafa. He played a very good match against him in Hamburg, and he is very fit. He also played well in Rome before that. He had a very good clay season, just like me, just like Rafa.

So I think we are the three players at the top of the moment. Maybe the weather is going to make a difference for one of them. I don't know who is going to benefit from the weather, because probably the ball is not going to bounce as high as it does when the weather is fine.

But I think his game is very good to make it difficult for Rafa, yet Rafa is a favorite here, so it's going to be an interesting match.

Bilbo
06-05-2008, 08:45 AM
according to Deivid Djokovic is going to win :shrug:

people forget that this is a best-of-five match which favours Nadal

avocadoe
06-05-2008, 10:07 AM
Nadal wins, he is nearly invincible, just getting better and better each year, and peaking at RG. He's been destroying people out there. Of course, none of them have ND belief, still that only get him so far. Only if he were seriously ill or injured does Novak have a chance this year.imo. It will be a vigorous match, well played, maybe even a great match, we'll see, my crystal ball is cloudy like the parisian skies.

SwiSha
06-05-2008, 02:36 PM
the first tough test for Nadal, it will not be as easy as people think
who cares how Nadal looked against Belluci Verdasco Almagro Devilder etc... Nole will give him a fight, still its just too hard to see Nadal lose a best of 5 match on clay, i d be very surprised if nadal would win this in straights though

Smasher
06-05-2008, 02:42 PM
First set might be tight, but anything other than Nadal in straight sets would surprise me a bit

Clay Death
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Nadal wins, he is nearly invincible, just getting better and better each year, and peaking at RG. He's been destroying people out there. Of course, none of them have ND belief, still that only get him so far. Only if he were seriously ill or injured does Novak have a chance this year.imo. It will be a vigorous match, well played, maybe even a great match, we'll see, my crystal ball is cloudy like the parisian skies.

as crazy as it may sound but deep inside, Nole knows its a very tough proposition to derail Nadal on clay in a best of 5 sets match. he is talking big to provide himself some comfort as he approaches this Herculean task.

he sent somebody in his camp to take a look at Nadal when he was playing against Almagro. they were shook up at the score. i realize that being confident and cocky is important when approaching Fed since Fed is such a cocky and arrogant fellow himself but it is not really good enough when he is dealing with Nadal. certainly not in a best of 5 sets foremat on clay. Nadal is 39-0 in such foremats. in fact, Nadal is reputed to be irritated at his excessive cockyness. Nadal will use that as added motivation

Nole may start strong while Nadal is getting a read on his serve and his game as well as trying to find his own range and rhythm but once Nadal gets his teeth into the match, there will not be much Nole will be able to do.

Nole knows this and his only chance is to win the first 2 sets. Nadal wont let that happen. this mental edge that Nadal has
will be one of the deciding factors. the other one is that Nadal will simply wear him down. in the 4th hour, i dont expect Nole to have much left in the tank and he will start to spray his shots. mistakes will flow freely while Nadal will get stronger and stronger.

Bernard Black
06-05-2008, 03:10 PM
Nole knows this and his only chance is to win the first 2 sets. Nadal wont let that happen. this mental edge that Nadal has
will be one of the deciding factors. the other one is that Nadal will simply wear him down. in the 4th hour, i dont expect Nole to have much left in the tank and he will start to spray his shots. mistakes will flow freely while Nadal will get stronger and stronger.

As crazy as it sounds, I'd still give Nadal a 50/50 chance even if he loses the first two sets. As you say, fitness will be a big decider if the match goes deep, and Nadal is way beyond Djokovic in terms of being able to last out matches.

Maybe, by extrapolation, Djokovic will have a chance next year if he keeps improving, but this year I just cannot see him beating Nadal.

Vida
06-05-2008, 05:26 PM
prediction:

1st set: Nadal 76(5) - both will come out firing, but Rafa has mental edge.

2nd set: Djokovic 36 - again Djoko goes blazing, but Rafa slows down realizing his chance grow with time, so he lets Djoko steam out.

3rd set: Nadal 75 - both give all, but Nadal has it more (grind effect). Breaks at 4 all.

4th set: Nadal 62 - Djoko is feeling sleepy so Nadal puts him to bed.

All in all, it will be a cracker.

morningglory
06-05-2008, 05:28 PM
Nadull

Mateya
06-05-2008, 05:42 PM
Rafzilla will spin him of the court. 6-4 7-5 6-1

I hope Fakervic doesn't win a set and goes home.
He has done enough damage to the back of the court with his ballbouncing.
:tape:

habibko
06-05-2008, 10:54 PM
prediction:

1st set: Nadal 76(5) - both will come out firing, but Rafa has mental edge.

2nd set: Djokovic 36 - again Djoko goes blazing, but Rafa slows down realizing his chance grow with time, so he lets Djoko steam out.

3rd set: Nadal 75 - both give all, but Nadal has it more (grind effect). Breaks at 4 all.

4th set: Nadal 62 - Djoko is feeling sleepy so Nadal puts him to bed.

All in all, it will be a cracker.

remember that in Hamburg it was a real fight all through the end, remember all the match points...

bad gambler
06-05-2008, 11:41 PM
If Djokovic finishes the match

Rafa in 4

Merton
06-06-2008, 12:37 AM
The ultimate jinxes (if one believes in jinxes) have spoken. Bud Collins picks Nadal: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24952626/

Then, Brad Gilbert predicts Nadal to win the tournament without dropping a set: http://www.bradgilberttennis.com/asp/bgnation.asp

RagingLamb
06-06-2008, 12:49 AM
The ultimate jinxes (if one believes in jinxes) have spoken. Bud Collins picks Nadal: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24952626/

Then, Brad Gilbert predicts Nadal to win the tournament without dropping a set: http://www.bradgilberttennis.com/asp/bgnation.asp

Nadal is screwed...hopefully he can recover from this some day

Gnomey
06-06-2008, 01:43 AM
At the rate these 2 guys play, it'll be a looong match even if Nadal cruises through.
Anyway, no doubt Nadal will win. I'd be really surprised though if Djokovic retires here...but that's just me. With the flack he has been getting for retiring, he'd probably want to prove them wrong. But eh, whatever he feels like.

fedexdelivers
06-06-2008, 02:07 AM
Bud Collins predicted Nadal will win FO 08??? Thank you, God.

I predict that Nadal will win in 2.

RogerFan82
06-06-2008, 02:24 AM
Looks like a rainy stop start day tomorrow. If that is the case Djoke's chances rise from 1 % to say 10 % because fitness may not come into the question, due to the frequent interruptions.

One thing i'm worried about is the fact that these two take lot of time between points. Combined with the rainy conditions, Fed/Monfils might not get to complete their S/F tomorrow, which will be unfair to both of them.

bad gambler
06-06-2008, 02:32 AM
The ultimate jinxes (if one believes in jinxes) have spoken. Bud Collins picks Nadal: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24952626/

Then, Brad Gilbert predicts Nadal to win the tournament without dropping a set: http://www.bradgilberttennis.com/asp/bgnation.asp

Do you recall who Bud predicted would win the French Open? I missed his prediction.

Merton
06-06-2008, 03:15 AM
Do you recall who Bud predicted would win the French Open? I missed his prediction.

I don't think he has made the tournament prediction yet, at least I have not seen it. I guess Bud will do that after the semis. Of course there is this infamous opinion piece from last year's tournament. The headline says it all: "Federer may at last have Nadal's number at French Open". http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/18806943/

Djokovic fans, cheer up :D

lina_seta
06-06-2008, 03:31 AM
can someone help? im confused...
isnt the match today? as in... right now?

bad gambler
06-06-2008, 03:34 AM
can someone help? im confused...
isnt the match today? as in... right now?

It's 5:30am on Friday morning in Paris right now :unsure:

It will be played later today, scheduled 1pm Paris time.

lina_seta
06-06-2008, 03:50 AM
It's 5:30am on Friday morning in Paris right now :unsure:

It will be played later today, scheduled 1pm Paris time.

oh men the official time on the site is so screwed up :o

Becker's Volleys
06-06-2008, 09:00 AM
I'm hoping for the upset, but don't think it'll happen. Still the heart rules the head here and I'm voting for Djokovic.

In reality: Nadal in straights, or four.

pete25
06-06-2008, 10:18 AM
Nadal in straight sets. Maybe Djoke will reach 5 or 6 games in a set.
Sorry Djoke, he'll understand why it is so difficult to win the french.

Becker's Volleys
06-06-2008, 10:49 AM
By the way it wouldn't be an 'upset' on any other surface. Novak would definitely handle him anywhere else, including Wimbledon should the two meet this year.

Mrs. B
06-06-2008, 01:03 PM
Djoko in mug mode. it'll soon be over.

Becker's Volleys
06-06-2008, 01:06 PM
Yeah it's been a poor outing, though who can beat Nadal in this mood and on this surface. Novak would beat Nadal anywhere els. I thought he'd would give it much more of a go- he needed to take that first set I think. Dead and buried now I'm afraid. I think his self belief evaporated pretty early on, just plain outplayed todat.

I don't mind Novak actually, hate Nadal. Plus he resembles Splinter from Ninja Turtles. Rat faced twat.

jasmin
06-06-2008, 01:15 PM
Well if Fed gets to the final I don't see how he can win but I'm for glad Nadal. Nadal is just in a zone.

10nisfan
06-06-2008, 02:39 PM
I'm Glad that 82.47% of those who Voted in this Poll are Correct!!! :bigclap::bigclap::bigclap:

Becker's Volleys
06-06-2008, 02:44 PM
I'm not. I just don't want him to equal Borg's four consecutive. Credit where it's due, though he will (perhaps surpass his FO total, too). :sad:

gebl
06-06-2008, 07:52 PM
I didn't know that we have 43 morons on this board :eek:.

rising to 61 at the last count :eek::eek:

MaryX
06-06-2008, 08:05 PM
Congrats to Rafa and his fans.I couldn't watch the match, but I'm sure he was fantastic.As for Novak, he'll be back, he maybe has improved his clay tennis, but it if far from his A game, didn't have a chance even if he played better.