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fsoica
06-02-2008, 09:09 PM
Read this story about his lost friendship with Gael Monfils.

http://sportsonmymind.com/2008/05/31/gael-monfils-novak-djokovic-and-the-point-of-divergence/

Back in 2005, when Novak was nothing, he still was something: a faker !!!

BodyServe
06-02-2008, 09:19 PM
I heard somewhere that it was in fact his first on-court impersonation.

(JOKE)

elessar
06-02-2008, 09:21 PM
Shocking indeed :eek:
I don't like gael but this story brought tears to my eyes :sad: such a sweet trusting boy betrayed by his BF:crying2:

tennizen
06-02-2008, 09:23 PM
:rolls: I am quite sure Djokovic must have abused the injury timeouts but the writer makes Monfils look like a tragic hero and Djokovic such a villain, the text can be used as the basis for a new fantasy novel. The whole article is just ridiculously hilarious:lol:

l_mac
06-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Awful, awful human being.

What was the point of divergence between the two? After the French, Monfils dealt with some nagging injuries which forced him to miss much of the summer U.S. hardcourt season. But he came into the U.S. Open healthy and ready to make a splash in America. That first round U.S. Open match against Djokovic was expected to be tough, as matches against friends, especially when the players grew up together in the junior ranks always are. But Gael was slotted to win and move on.

But the fifth and final set between the two, which ended 7-5 for Djokovic, told a sad tale of the nature of the game today.

Djokovic began that final set by taking a “bathroom” break which most often in tennis circles means a player is losing and is hoping to break the momentum of his or her opponent. And on his way to finally winning, Djokovic would ask for the trainer or stall and reduce the match to a drawn out crawl a grand total of a dozen times. Six times he asked for the trainer. Six times on the court Djokovic limped around the court with “cramps” or some other alleged ailment.

Because of their friendship, Monfils was more than gracious toward his friend, allowing him to take more than the allotted time to gather himself so that Djokovic might have the opportunity to finish the match honorably in what ever fashion he chose.

But while Monfils acted the gentlemen, even the casual observer could see that Djokovic was taking advantage of the largesse his friend afforded him. Whenever the Serbian won points, he seemed miraculously energized. When he lost a point, he acted as if he was about to enter into the dangerous physical realm of a full body cramp. After his serve was broken in the fifth, which was repeatedly, he would call for the trainer on change-overs. Dutifully the employee of the men’s tour would trot out and massage Djokovic’s legs, or shoulder, or back, or all three. After some massages the Serb would stand, take a step, stop, and slump back into his chair, apparently needing yet another round of rubbing.

As the final set wore on, the pauses became more pronounced, the massages longer, the stalling between points more often. The New York crowd sensed Djokovic was faking and began to jeer him. The average opponent would have complained to the chair umpire after the third or fourth play stoppage, after Djokovic held his hand in the air to stop Monfils from serving just before the Frenchman was about to toss the ball into the air.

At one point the crowd broke out into full booing after Djokovic won a drawn out point in which each player executed at least a dozen groundstrokes apiece and then, when he lost the following point, the stalling for time began anew. But Monfils implored the spectators to refrain from booing his brother in arms - and only at his behest did they stop.

When the final point was played, Djokovic acted as if he had just won the Grand slam event instead of winning a first round match. Monfils was understandably disappointed. His promising spring had turned into a lost summer of discontent and failure.

Yet in his post-match interview Monfils was gracious. He gave credit to his friend for making it through the match and fully took the blame for failing to maintain his concentration during the fifth set. He said he hoped Djokovic went far in the tournament and said he would be rooting for him.

When Djokovic was interviewed in his press conference he admitted with a sheepish grin that he cheated his friend and opponent; that he stalled without being injured in any way; that he called for the trainer when he had no need for the trainer; the he felt he needed to do anything possible to break the momentum of his friend because he felt it was more important to do anything possible, including cheat, to win and advance. When asked what he would stoop to such tactics against someone who rated him the closest of friends, Djokovic went from relieved but beaming winner to thoroughly embarrassed and busted cheat. His sudden change in demeanor was accompanied by a change in speech. He became brusque, angry with the press corps for challenging him and tearing him down after he freely admitted he cheated.

Djokovic ended the press conference as quickly as possible and scampered off the stage, looking not very injured at all.

When Gael Monfils was informed of his opponent’s tactics in a later one-on-one interview, the young man looked crestfallen. He intimated that in no way would he ever thought his “best friend” as he called Djokovic, would cheat him, would lower himself to do anything other than play a match with honor. At one point Monfils bowed his head, fighting back tears with the sudden understanding that in the world of tennis a player might well, in reality, have no friends in tennis at all.

That match marked the point where Novak Djokovic began his quick climb to #3 in the world. It also sped the fall of Gael Monfils to his present rank of #59. Today as Monfils plays commentators talk about that match, but no one seems to remember the manner in which Djokovic won. It is called a hard-fought match, a long match, and a match that everyone expected Monfils to win. They talk as if Monfils cannot win a five-set match and that on against Djokovic signaled his inability to gut out a victory. Monfils’ conditioning is questioned, his heart is questioned, his commitment to the game of tennis is questioned.

The commentators also fail to mention that many other players have complained about Djokovic’s gamesmanship, his cheating through extra-long breaks when losing, his penchant for bouncing the ball up to 24 times, then failing to pause to let his opponent know he is about to serve. Roger Federer, who never complains about opponents has levies the cheating charge at Djokovic. Both he and Rafael Nadal have commented about Djokovic and complained that his parents and their friends shout at his opponents during points to break their concentration just before they hit a shot when playing their son.

Many lesser players have done the same.

But Gael Monfils has defeated Jurgen Melzer, 4-6, 7-5, 4-6, 6-0, 6-2. In the final two sets Monfils makes only seven unforced errors, an incredibly clean way to play the final two sets of a long clay court match.

And despite the description of Monfils by the commentators, the young French player has a stellar 5-1 record in five set matches.

5-1.

Hopefully fate and fairness will have a way of catching up to Novak Djokovic.

That last line is going in my sig :cool:

Chocobo
06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
I remember this match very well...I didn't know Djokovic at this time (first match I saw from him). For sure one of the worst acting ever seen on a tennis court...

That said, I don't think it broke their friendship:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/648/gaelmonfilsrg20063py8.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaelmonfilsrg20063py8.jpg) (RG 2006)

l_mac
06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
:rolls: I am quite sure Djokovic must have abused the injury timeouts but the writer makes Monfils look like a tragic hero and Djokovic such a villain, the text can be used as the basis for a new fantasy novel. The whole article is just ridiculously hilarious:lol:

Clearly that match has had a long lasting psychological effect on poor Gael. :awww:

In all seriousness, no doubt Nole was the villain of that particular match. His conduct that day was disgusting.

Bilbo
06-02-2008, 09:27 PM
typical djokovic

Branimir
06-02-2008, 09:27 PM
Bullshit article. I liked how author emphasized 3 times that Djokovic lost 4th set 6-0, and stating they are "best friends." Well if I was playing my best friend, I would give him 1 game, and not embarrass him by baggeling him in one of the sets.

"Hopefully fate and fairness will have a way of catching up to Novak Djokovic."

Not biased article at all. It is all truth.

"When Djokovic was interviewed in his press conference he admitted with a sheepish grin that he cheated his friend and opponent; that he stalled without being injured in any way; that he called for the trainer when he had no need for the trainer; the he felt he needed to do anything possible to break the momentum of his friend because he felt it was more important to do anything possible, including cheat, to win and advance."

Quotes? Link to that interview would really help. :D

Or Levy
06-02-2008, 09:28 PM
I went to check the ASAPSPORTS website, as this was a first round match and both of them were pretty low on the ranking at the time, no pressers.

Shame.

vincayou
06-02-2008, 09:28 PM
It was Djokovic, a "star" in the making

xargon
06-02-2008, 09:31 PM
Gael has had plenty of chances to move up from #55 in the last years. He should have advanced already.

fsoica
06-02-2008, 09:31 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050831/news_1s31openmen.html

arm
06-02-2008, 09:33 PM
Sooo much dramaaa.

:haha: I really I felt like I was reading a novel.

tennizen
06-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Clearly that match has had a long lasting psychological effect on poor Gael. :awww:

In all seriousness, no doubt Nole was the villain of that particular match. His conduct that day was disgusting.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Now he would obviously be a bit more careful as the press will latch on but in 2005 he must have bent every possible rule:lol:

Merton
06-02-2008, 09:34 PM
I saw that match, there is no doubt that his breathing problems were real. It was a case of a break that lasted longer than the rules permitted due to the fact that a doctor was not available on court. That allowed Djokovic to recover and win in the 5th set.

There are much better examples of gamesmanship for Djokovic, in particular the matches against Wawrinka at DC, GGL at Estoril and Nieminen at Hamburg. One would believe between points there that Nole just left the operating room after suffering a heart transplant. Then of course he was running perfectly fine during points. Djokovic has exercised gamesmanship and there is no doubt he will do so again in the future but his breathing problems during 2005 were real and well documented.

fsoica
06-02-2008, 09:34 PM
From BBC site:

"""""""""""""
"I'm really sorry because Gael is a real good friend of mine, but I had to do it"
Djokovic explains that when you've got to go....
"""""""""""""

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4199534.stm

Voo de Mar
06-02-2008, 09:36 PM
:rolls: I am quite sure Djokovic must have abused the injury timeouts but the writer makes Monfils look like a tragic hero and Djokovic such a villain, the text can be used as the basis for a new fantasy novel. The whole article is just ridiculously hilarious:lol:

Agree.

Djokovic's cheating or not cheating, Monfils should have won. Every player has lost and won a match being injured (or just simulating an injury). It's a normal thing when you play more than 500 matches throughout a career :D Monfils did it a couple days ago against Horna :lol:

l_mac
06-02-2008, 09:38 PM
I'm sure I remember Nole saying after that match that he'd used all the timeouts he could because he was so tired :shrug:

fsoica
06-02-2008, 09:38 PM
http://www.teamwta.com/be-quiet/

Adler
06-02-2008, 09:39 PM
This is all fuckin sad

mangoes
06-02-2008, 09:40 PM
I was at this match. I had never seen Djerk play and after the match, I left quite sure I would never be a fan. He purposefully stalled during this match. It was more than him having breathing problems. It was a five setter and he needed to rest ever so often.......so he did just that by calling the trainer....His constant need for injury breaks at critical times kept being a distraction to Monfils.

elessar
06-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Another article :D
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/sports/tennis/31injury.html

"These timeouts helped me a lot because he is still physically better prepared than me," Djokovic said

The chair umpire, David Littlefield, did not grant Djokovic's request for a doctor. Djokovic called the second timeout in the fourth set when Monfils was cruising. "My shoulder was really weak," Djokovic said. "I didn't have energy."

Monfils said he was upset at the delays. One or two stoppages for a recurring injury, he said, would have been reasonable. But, he added: "It's a tennis match. You don't have to stop the match like this all the time."

The delays, Monfils said, caused him to get cold because he was drenched in sweat.

"Right now, there's too many players that abuse the rule," McEnroe said. "Being physically fit is part of tennis."

foul_dwimmerlaik
06-02-2008, 09:42 PM
From BBC site:

"""""""""""""
"I'm really sorry because Gael is a real good friend of mine, but I had to do it"
Djokovic explains that when you've got to go....
"""""""""""""

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4199534.stm
So what is so incriminating about this quote? It could be just as easily interpreted as "I had to call a doctor, because my health condition'd not allowed me to finish the match otherwise".

The article is a laughable, overblown piece of bad writing, btw.

Adler
06-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Gael has had plenty of chances to move up from #55 in the last years. He should have advanced already.
It's not the thing here

mangoes
06-02-2008, 09:43 PM
I'm sure I remember Nole saying after that match that he'd used all the timeouts he could because he was so tired :shrug:

He did say that.......he never said anything about breathing problems..........and during the match, he called the trainer once for breathing, another time for a cramps in his leg, another time for back pain..........etc.....

KitinovRules
06-02-2008, 09:48 PM
It is a real pitty that the Faker is playing another of his friends - Gulbis, instead of the former one Monfills.
It would have been lovely to throw this matter to the French crowd .
They would have made him lovely acceptance.

Just like the famous one Martina Hingis had against Steffi :) in even more famous final .

FluffyYellowBall
06-02-2008, 09:49 PM
I dont know what to say because firstly, I dont remember the match and second of all, where are the interviews? Are they archived anywhere?

dmit424
06-02-2008, 09:53 PM
Well this sucks about Djokovic if it's true that he actually admitted to cheating. Is there any way to verify his post-match comments, where he admitted to not actually being injured or in need of so many bathroom breaks? I just don't understand why he would fully admit to cheating like that... I mean, it's good that he was honest about it, but the way the article made it sound was that he was proud of his sly cheating "tactics" and wanted to share his "ingenuity." Also, any way to confirm that Djokovic and Monfils were really such close friends, and that Monfils almost cried after he heard Djokovic's comments? Sorry to question so much, but the article doesn't seem to come from a very top source, and doesn't use any direct quotes... It's basically not stellar journalism, but if true, quite interesting... So can we verify this somehow?

MrChopin
06-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Right in time for a "short" semifinal at RG. :devil:

... just found this interview with Djoke talking about Monte Carlo and RG: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/24/2254566.htm

I had a virus infection for a week and that stopped me breathing properly. I made my decision but unfortunately people understood it in the wrong way...

I didn't like it. I don't like to hear people saying that it happens more often to me. I'm just not that type of guy. I give 100 per cent on the court but I always make my health my priority...

I'm coming here [RG] as a much more mature player...

I believe in myself a lot more and that I can win against Rafa on clay. I have beaten him three times on hard courts but I believe I can hurt him on this surface.

Rogiman
06-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Djokovic is an asshole - it's a fact of life - but what a player he is! :o

stebs
06-02-2008, 10:05 PM
Djokovic would ask for the trainer or stall and reduce the match to a drawn out crawl a grand total of a dozen times. Six times he asked for the trainer.

A dozen is 12, not 6. :lol:

l_mac
06-02-2008, 10:06 PM
A dozen is 12, not 6. :lol:

It says ask for the trainer OR stall ...

So 6 times trainer, 6 times just stalling :shrug:

stebs
06-02-2008, 10:11 PM
It says ask for the trainer OR stall ...

So 6 times trainer, 6 times just stalling :shrug:

Ahh. I see.

BigJohn
06-02-2008, 10:14 PM
Well, how about that!..

I now despise Djokovic even more, retroactively.

So he's been a douchebag from his early days. Was he born a douchebag?

Jaap
06-02-2008, 10:31 PM
FFS, don't feel sorry for Monfils....who is the biggest cheater in tennis. Remember vs Baggy in Aus Open 07? One would have thought Monfils was going to drop dead on the ground, yet somehow recovered to win the final set 6-0.

Adler
06-02-2008, 10:33 PM
FFS, don't feel sorry for Monfils....who is the biggest cheater in tennis. Remember vs Baggy in Aus Open 07? One would have thought Monfils was going to drop dead on the ground, yet somehow recovered to win the final set 6-0.
Maybe, but that's not the point here. It could've been any player and it still would be the same. If this whole thing is true, of course

xelena
06-02-2008, 10:43 PM
I was wondering where is kita to honour this masterpiece of tennis analysis and got worried that maybe he got engaged to fsoica in a love union , so now they make one person.

This article is utter rubbish and is directly taken or just inspired from some daytime soap-opera from porto rico. .. and of course it ends up on MTF where it serves as food, as a daily fix (hate material) for guys that spend 90% of their time hating djokovic.


I watched the match between djokovic-monfils , RG 2006 and was listening to the commentary of guy forget (and another ex-tennisman) who were discussing the us open match . Guy Forget was over there and he said that he and the french team had suspicions that Novak was cheating and was trying to cut the rhytm (that's all he can do by taking med. time-out) ...

then he added that after they realised that he was indeed having health problems , straight after the us open he got two sinus operations then continued having success on court and by all the professionals is seen as one of the few fair-players on tour.

so you have here some serious guys like Guy, arnaud boetsch, who are saying that "yeah at the time it looked that this young player was trying to get away with a victory" (over their sweet french new hope " but we realised that he did in fact suffer and did panic because of health reasons throughout that match"...
.. but no, their opinion just doesnt matter, what matters is what Kita thinks while sitting in his cage over there in fyrom, nourished only by hatred and being deprived of any sense of objectivity.

:angel:

Farenhajt
06-02-2008, 10:50 PM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Wouldn't be surprised if this was ghostwritten by a prominent member of MTF PathoHater Squad (e.g. Pussy Antonius or the likes)

Black Adam
06-02-2008, 10:51 PM
FFS, don't feel sorry for Monfils....who is the biggest cheater in tennis. Remember vs Baggy in Aus Open 07? One would have thought Monfils was going to drop dead on the ground, yet somehow recovered to win the final set 6-0.
I am guessing you lost some money during that match :devil: :p

l_mac
06-02-2008, 10:54 PM
I watched the match between djokovic-monfils , RG 2006 and was listening to the commentary of guy forget (and another ex-tennisman) who were discussing the us open match . Guy Forget was over there and he said that he and the french team had suspicions that Novak was cheating and was trying to cut the rhytm (that's all he can do by taking med. time-out) ...

then he added that after they realised that he was indeed having health problems , straight after the us open he got two sinus operations then continued having success on court and by all the professionals is seen as one of the few fair-players on tour.

:spit: :haha: :haha:

The problem wasn't with his well documented breathing problems - all the massages in the world couldn't have helped with that.

Black Adam
06-02-2008, 10:54 PM
I don't think P Antonius has the creativty to write such a "heart-warming" mini novel. He is more into sarcasm and lame bashing.

Alex999
06-02-2008, 10:55 PM
I was wondering where is kita to honour this masterpiece of tennis analysis and got worried that maybe he got engaged to fsoica in a love union , so now they make one person.

This article is utter rubbish and is directly taken or just inspired from some daytime soap-opera from porto rico. .. and of course it ends up on MTF where it serves as food, as a daily fix (hate material) for guys that spend 90% of their time hating djokovic.


I watched the match between djokovic-monfils , RG 2006 and was listening to the commentary of guy forget (and another ex-tennisman) who were discussing the us open match . Guy Forget was over there and he said that he and the french team had suspicions that Novak was cheating and was trying to cut the rhytm (that's all he can do by taking med. time-out) ...

then he added that after they realised that he was indeed having health problems , straight after the us open he got two sinus operations then continued having success on court and by all the professionals is seen as one of the few fair-players on tour.

so you have here some serious guys like Guy, arnaud boetsch, who are saying that "yeah at the time it looked that this young player was trying to get away with a victory" (over their sweet french new hope " but we realised that he did in fact suffer and did panic because of health reasons throughout that match"...
.. but no, their opinion just doesnt matter, what matters is what Kita thinks while sitting in his cage over there in fyrom, nourished only by hatred and being deprived of any sense of objectivity.

:angel:
:yeah:

l_mac
06-02-2008, 10:58 PM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Wouldn't be surprised if this was ghostwritten by a prominent member of MTF PathoHater Squad (e.g. Pussy Antonius or the likes)

My exact thought when I first read it was that I could hardly have done better myself! :D

Although I think I probably could have done it better, by highlighting his many crimes since. :lol:

Chiseller
06-02-2008, 11:02 PM
Oh well, I shouldn't be surprised but I kinda am. Wonder if one can get any lower.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2719/imgphp20copyye2.jpg

miura
06-02-2008, 11:11 PM
What an utter jerk.

marcRD
06-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Oh well, I shouldn't be surprise but I kinda am. Wonder if one can get any lower.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2719/imgphp20copyye2.jpg

I almost had forgot about this guy. Legendary stuff. :lol:

ghstwrld
06-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Um.....are we pretending like we didn't already know Djokovic's a fucking douche bag? :confused:

marcRD
06-02-2008, 11:21 PM
The Joker is a funny guy. He is definetly not the classic hero of the people. His grin tells so much about his character, I dont think he is a bad person, but he is not a good guy with high morals and standards. He kind of reminds me of old Connors.

Maybe the whole Nadal-Federer rivalry similarities with Borg-Mcenroe has become even more alike to the old days with Djokovic making them a trio similar to Borg-Mcenroe-Connors.

Chiseller
06-02-2008, 11:28 PM
I almost had forgot about this guy. Legendary stuff. :lol:

Yeah, I mean it was war but still, this guy was comedy. :lol:

~*BGT*~
06-02-2008, 11:38 PM
Quotes? Link to that interview would really help. :D

I dont know what to say because firstly, I dont remember the match and second of all, where are the interviews? Are they archived anywhere?

Press conferences from the USO are removed from the site when the next year's slam starts. The 2007 pressers are still there, but once it starts this year, they'll be removed.

:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Wouldn't be surprised if this was ghostwritten by a prominent member of MTF PathoHater Squad (e.g. Pussy Antonius or the likes)

So, you're denying that he cheated his way to the win? :confused:

I would have loved to see him pull these kinds of stunts with Andy or Safin or Kiefer or Hewitt. :lol:

KitinovRules
06-02-2008, 11:39 PM
I was wondering where is kita to honour this masterpiece of tennis analysis and got worried that maybe he got engaged to fsoica in a love union , so now they make one person.

This article is utter rubbish and is directly taken or just inspired from some daytime soap-opera from porto rico. .. and of course it ends up on MTF where it serves as food, as a daily fix (hate material) for guys that spend 90% of their time hating djokovic.


I watched the match between djokovic-monfils , RG 2006 and was listening to the commentary of guy forget (and another ex-tennisman) who were discussing the us open match . Guy Forget was over there and he said that he and the french team had suspicions that Novak was cheating and was trying to cut the rhytm (that's all he can do by taking med. time-out) ...

then he added that after they realised that he was indeed having health problems , straight after the us open he got two sinus operations then continued having success on court and by all the professionals is seen as one of the few fair-players on tour.

so you have here some serious guys like Guy, arnaud boetsch, who are saying that "yeah at the time it looked that this young player was trying to get away with a victory" (over their sweet french new hope " but we realised that he did in fact suffer and did panic because of health reasons throughout that match"...
.. but no, their opinion just doesnt matter, what matters is what Kita thinks while sitting in his cage over there in fyrom, nourished only by hatred and being deprived of any sense of objectivity.

:angel:

We are all here very glad that he took the sinus operation . The problem is that he had the same sinus operation for many times.
It must have been the same problem when he retired against Federer in MC.


As for my cage, Xelena-Smrdena, I am coming in Paris in october and would try to find a time to see some matches at the Masters.

It is quite unlikely that I will visit you my dear, I am not intending to see any methal facilities .

KitinovRules
06-02-2008, 11:44 PM
Bullshit article.

Quotes? Link to that interview would really help. :D

Otherwise Srdjan Djokovic will find your IP n. and will enter our living rooms with baseball bats.
He will certanly teach us, how to cheer for his beloved son.

And don't you worry, he will not be alone. He will bring his brother with him, this time.:cool:

dam0dred
06-02-2008, 11:47 PM
The evidence that Novak is a total shit and an all around terrible person continues to mount.

But even still, the Djokotards defense of him is in this thread is pretty pathetic. I guess they are running out of excuses for his antics.

arm
06-02-2008, 11:53 PM
The evidence that Novak is a total shit and an all around terrible person continues to mount.

But even still, the Djokotards defense of him is in this thread is pretty pathetic. I guess they are running out of excuses for his antics.



Oh I am sure that you, someone who respects peolple so much, are much better. :yeah:

Keep up the good work! :spit:

shotgun
06-02-2008, 11:55 PM
I'm surprised at how many people here never knew the story of this match (although I've never seen it told in such a "partisan" way). It's not like it happened 10 years ago.

dam0dred
06-02-2008, 11:55 PM
Oh I am sure that you, someone who respects peolple so much, are much better. :yeah:

Keep up the good work! :spit:

I respect those who deserve it.

And thanks, I will! :hearts:

scoobs
06-02-2008, 11:58 PM
Isn't this rather old news?

I mean, whatever the objective facts of this story (and that article is as much hatchet job as any I've seen about this infamous match), what does bringing it up now prove?

An awful lot of water under the bridge has passed since then.

arm
06-02-2008, 11:58 PM
I respect those who deserve it.

And thanks, I will! :hearts:

:haha:

Sure he doesn't deserve respect. Anyway, I'm too tired for this.

Good night everyone. I'm off*

DrJules
06-03-2008, 12:04 AM
The US Open match was the first time I saw Djokovic on Sky TV.

2 things stuck in my mind:

1) How highly the Sky commentators rated him.

2) How much they disapproved of the antics used against Monfils to win.

A case of the wonderful and horrible world that is Novak Djokovic.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:07 AM
Isn't this rather old news?

I mean, whatever the objective facts of this story (and that article is as much hatchet job as any I've seen about this infamous match), what does bringing it up now prove?

An awful lot of water under the bridge has passed since then.

I think the author was trying to illustrate that the match was a turning point in the career of both. For Novak this was the first step on his "anything to win, cheating his way to the top" road. And for poor, betrayed Gael :awww: :sad: it was the beginning of his slide :sad:

:banana:

I think it's brilliant.

scoobs
06-03-2008, 12:12 AM
I think the author was trying to illustrate that the match was a turning point in the career of both. For Novak this was the first step on his "anything to win, cheating his way to the top" road. And for poor, betrayed Gael :awww: :sad: it was the beginning of his slide :sad:

:banana:

I think it's brilliant.
Sounds like garbage to me - we're supposed to be persuaded Monfils has been languishing where he is ever since this happened because Djokovic broke his heart and Monfils lost his smile?

Maybe if Djokovic stole Monfils' ability to rally from the baseline rather than 10 feet behind it, we'd be closer to an explanation that makes sense.

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 12:12 AM
1, This is such a BS, unworthy to comment. Who wrote it anyway, is he have some credibility or he is just an average hater from MTF? Poor, pathetic, god bless you all. I hope there will be multiple orgasms for many days.

2. I like this comments on article (not here of course). Tennis fans as they can be.

3. Opener fsoica - exellent timing, I have to admit.

4. At the end - who catch the fish instantly? Linda, who else? Disappontment No.78. You can do way better (and smarter).

5. Thank god I am simple man.

6. I am speacless. Article, posts here, reactions...no, I am dreaming. Otherwise....most of you are in big, scary problems.

7. Less brain, life longer. Proved.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:15 AM
:lol:

I was going to post this thread last night, but thought better of it.

Wish I had now :sad:

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 12:19 AM
:lol:

I was going to post this thread last night, but thought better of it.

Wish I had now :sad:

Nice try. Don't cry - I'm finally done with you for good. It is too much.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:23 AM
Nice try. Don't cry - I'm finally done with you for good. It is too much.

Oookay. I don't really understand why, but I respect your decision.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 12:23 AM
Another Djokovic hating thread...the world makes sense once again. Even writers of Friends are more creative than the person who wrote that article.

camnation
06-03-2008, 12:24 AM
I hope there will be multiple orgasms for many days.
:lol::yeah:

The article is pathetic. Whoever wrote it must be sobbing to him/herself at how his/her forecasting skills failed.

scoobs
06-03-2008, 12:26 AM
Oookay. I don't really understand why, but I respect your decision.
See what Nole's done now. Another beautiful friendship, torn asunder :sad:

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:31 AM
:lol::yeah:

The article is pathetic. Whoever wrote it must be sobbing to him/herself at how his/her forecasting skills failed.

Another Djokovic hating thread...the world makes sense once again. Even writers of Friends are more creative than the person who wrote that article.
Oh dear.

No-one is taking this article particularly seriously, especially seeing as the author paints Nole as the evil Prince of Darkness and Gael as the first in a long line of people he trampled over on his way to the top :worship: but the bare bones of the article - that Novak used gamesmanship to help him win that match - are hard to deny :shrug:

Also, camnation, the article was written 2 days ago. So ... forecasting? :confused:
See what Nole's done now. Another beautiful friendship, torn asunder :sad:
You can understand why I dislike him so :( He spoils everything for me.

Aloimeh
06-03-2008, 12:31 AM
:haha:

The Nole haters have truly outdone themselves now! This article is so tendentious, so utterly biased, it doesn't even attempt to hide the level of hostility towards one single tennis player. It states things without evidence, without any quotations. It is written in a histrionic manner better suited to shunned literature and operettas (Monfils' tears, Djokovic's tail-between-the-legs crafty monsterhood). I don't understand how anyone, even the most ardent Novak haters, can support this article as an objective analysis. And what exactly is the point of the article: Djokovic ruined Monfil's career?

The Freak
06-03-2008, 12:32 AM
Everyone here knows this story I think, and everyone here also knows the Djokovic is a faker.....besides those obsessed fans who refuse to see the truth.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:36 AM
:haha:

The Nole haters have truly outdone themselves now! This article is so tendentious, so utterly biased, it doesn't even attempt to hide the level of hostility towards one single tennis player. It states things without evidence, without any quotations. It is written in a histrionic manner better suited to shunned literature and operettas (Monfils' tears, Djokovic's tail-between-the-legs crafty monsterhood). I don't understand how anyone, even the most ardent Novak haters, can support this article as an objective analysis. And what exactly is the point of the article: Djokovic ruined Monfil's career?

Oh, Alo. Show me one hater who is genuinely supporting this article as objective analysis.

marcRD
06-03-2008, 12:38 AM
Nole haters are everywhere, has the world gone mad? Nole haters are everywhere, love and do not hate is too 60s? Nole haters get a life, Nole is as innocent as a baby. Why does the world hate Nole? He is a gentleman and a genuine good guy, is Nole too good for the world??? Are we too cynical to accept this angel send from above? Can we only see Lucifer disguised as angels in this lunatic world we live in?

dam0dred
06-03-2008, 12:38 AM
:haha:

The Nole haters have truly outdone themselves now! This article is so tendentious, so utterly biased, it doesn't even attempt to hide the level of hostility towards one single tennis player. It states things without evidence, without any quotations. It is written in a histrionic manner better suited to shunned literature and operettas (Monfils' tears, Djokovic's tail-between-the-legs crafty monsterhood). I don't understand how anyone, even the most ardent Novak haters, can support this article as an objective analysis. And what exactly is the point of the article: Djokovic ruined Monfil's career?

Obviously the article itself is crap. Obviously. But the events it ghostwrites did happen and only the most deluded retard will fail to recognize the fact Novak has repeatedly used gamesmanship and questionable tactics to try and win matches.

The Pro
06-03-2008, 12:40 AM
Oookay. I don't really understand why, but I respect your decision.

Haha, I like Manon, but he's pretty intense!

Also, Novak is a piece of shit. :rolleyes:

BigJohn
06-03-2008, 12:40 AM
:haha:

And what exactly is the point of the article: Djokovic ruined Monfil's career?

I think that would be more that Djokovic had poor sportsmanship then.

(and the record shows that he has not grown any since)

Farenhajt
06-03-2008, 12:43 AM
Of course he's a faker... and all the ATP players that he won against thus far, including the top cats, are accomplices in such a heinous crime that allowed him to earn his #3 spot.

Really, apart from his cheating inclinations, he must also have some unworldly powerful hypnotic stare of "Now I'm going to cheat (rest my toes for a while), and you're going to choke (forget you had me down)" variety.

cmurray
06-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Clearly that match has had a long lasting psychological effect on poor Gael. :awww:

In all seriousness, no doubt Nole was the villain of that particular match. His conduct that day was disgusting.

Indeed. I remember that match and it was that day that I decided that I did not like Novak Djokovic. He cheated his ARSE off in that match. The author, while dramatizing more than necessary has one thing right - DJokobitch ADMITTED that he wasn't injured. It is one time where the other guy actually DID deserve to win. Monfils should have won that match.

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 12:46 AM
:lol::yeah:

The article is pathetic. Whoever wrote it must be sobbing to him/herself at how his/her forecasting skills failed.

Tjah, even better. I persume you've noticed that everyone here have been watched this match - half at the court in front of them, half - over TV.

I mean the 'crapiesh something' I've ever read.

luie
06-03-2008, 12:48 AM
This articule is a complete falsification of the truth ..Djoker is clear better than federer so why would some-one with superior skill & talent, better of both wings need to resort to these tactics to win a match at the begining of his career and continue with these tactics...Please some-one who has clearly surpassed FEDERER on the court deserves more respect..

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Haha, I like Manon, but he's pretty intense!



You'll be awarded:)

l_mac
06-03-2008, 12:51 AM
This articule is a complete falsification of the truth ..Djoker is clear better than federer so why would some-one with superior skill & talent, better of both wings need to resort to these tactics to win a match at the begining of his career and continue with these tactics...Please some-one who has clearly surpassed FEDERER on the court deserves more respect..

:worship:

It's all the more disappointing that the most gifted player ever to lift up a racket would resort to these tactics :sad: That is why we can never forgive him :shrug: :awww:

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 12:52 AM
DJokobitch ADMITTED that he wasn't injured.

Link please.

octatennis
06-03-2008, 12:56 AM
Nole haters are everywhere, has the world gone mad? Nole haters are everywhere, love and do not hate is too 60s? Nole haters get a life, Nole is as innocent as a baby. Why does the world hate Nole? He is a gentleman and a genuine good guy, is Nole too good for the world??? Are we too cynical to accept this angel send from above? Can we only see Lucifer disguised as angels in this lunatic world we live in?



because he dates sharpova :sad::sad:

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:04 AM
Then people ask why there's so much hate for Fakervic.

gogogirl
06-03-2008, 01:08 AM
All,

I remember this match very well too, and in my mind's eye now, I can remember how Gael would just stand there and wait on D-Vic. I remember at one point, he was actually in his serving motion and I was like - "What in the hell?" I couldn't believe it. Nole was on super charge delay. It was pitiful. I'd forgotten the extent of it all, but I've never forgotten that at one point they had been friends, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it must have been after that match that the next time they played, D-Vic did something similar and Gael couldn't hold back this time and called him out on it in the post match interview. Wow! Too much!

cmurray
06-03-2008, 01:11 AM
Link please.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/sports/tennis/31injury.html

cmurray
06-03-2008, 01:16 AM
note to those who didn't actually watch this match, the first quote of

"These timeouts helped me a lot because he is still physically better prepared than me," Djokovic said. "I know for people watching the match that it is very irritating, but that is the only way I could continue to win."

was made on court. The later quotes (which painted a different story) were given during his presser. He cheated Monfils.

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:17 AM
Everybody remembers this match but the Fakertards. Why? Because they had no idea who was the cheater. They started following tennis only after he won that fluke TMS.

zcess81
06-03-2008, 01:26 AM
Everybody remembers this match but the Fakertards. Why? Because they had no idea who was the cheater. They started following tennis only after he won that fluke TMS.

I bet this thread made your day. Today was a bad day for you...seeing that annoying assface get beaten by Pics can't be easy for you to handle.

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:30 AM
I bet this thread made your day. Today was a bad day for you...seeing that annoying assface get beaten by Pics can't be easy for you to handle.

Nah, I'm not a fangirl like you who can't accept losses.

When Faker beats Federer on clay you come back here. Without timeouts. :haha:

Okonsky
06-03-2008, 01:35 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/sports/tennis/31injury.html

So LLodra was colapsed, Murray had problems that arose from his attempts to prevent cramping, upset his stomack at the very same day and Novak called the injury times? Colapse or call injury times? In any possible way you (plural) would call him a cheater.

Well, enough.

Thx for the article, btw.

cmurray
06-03-2008, 01:42 AM
So LLodra was colapsed, Murray had problems that arose from his attempts to prevent cramping, upset his stomack at the very same day and Novak called the injury times? Colapse or call injury times? In any possible way you (plural) would call him a cheater.

Well, enough.

Thx for the article, btw.

Let me see if I can make this more clear for you.

DJOKOVIC WASN'T INJURED. Injury time outs are not for "I'm tired" or "I'm hot". That is called cheating. Everyone sees this but you. :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:42 AM
Let me see if I can make this more clear for you.

DJOKOVIC WASN'T INJURED. Injury time outs are not for "I'm tired" or "I'm hot". That is called cheating. Everyone sees this but you. :shrug:

No point in arguing with the Fakertards. Not a clue about it.

leng jai
06-03-2008, 01:44 AM
Can the fakertards can get anymore delusional? Every man and his dog knows Fakervic is a cheating mug except them.

dam0dred
06-03-2008, 01:48 AM
No point in arguing with the Fakertards. Not a clue about it.

It's kind of like arguing with people who don't believe in evolution.

If they don't get it by now, they never will. Facts, evidence and reason have no effect on them.

elessar
06-03-2008, 01:51 AM
It's kind of like arguing with people who don't believe in evolution.

Funny you talking about evolution, maybe you haters need to accept that Nole made some mistakes when he was young but has now changed and matured into a fair player respected by all his peers. :shrug:

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:52 AM
It's kind of like arguing with people who don't believe in evolution.

If they don't get it by now, they never will. Facts, evidence and reason have no effect on them.

Good point. :)

xelena
06-03-2008, 01:52 AM
yeah, thx for the article, the ultimate academic proof of djokovic's cheating.

i am not all surprised that there are people here at the mtf who'd read this article and will proudly come to conclusion that "there you go, even djokovic admitted himself that he cheated"

in the end, we have a situation here like the one from some religion <-> science forums. There are the creationists who "see proofs of god" and then there are scientists who happen to be atheists .
At one stage the creationsts, people who adore god will go that far in their delusion, fanaticism, hallucinations, that half of this group will just get sick of this irrationalism and will run in the opposite camp. :)

therefore, kita,glen,fiosca,imac and others kiss each other goodbye cause i'm sure that some of you will pack their bags and run. ;)

camnation
06-03-2008, 01:55 AM
It's kind of like arguing with people who don't believe in evolution.
Hey, that's hitting below the belt there.

scoobs
06-03-2008, 01:56 AM
Funny you talking about evolution, maybe you haters need to accept that Nole made some mistakes when he was young but has now changed and matured into a fair player respected by all his peers. :shrug:
Well he has changed.

Now he actually retires from matches rather than trying to get through with the aid of the trainer and a few powernaps in his chair.

xelena
06-03-2008, 01:56 AM
Kitahead, bienvenue à paris, .. when you come i'll be more than happy to open your cage for you and let you run free.. and i might join you at the paris masters and cheer with you for the best champ from fyrom who will kick some ass ;))

luie
06-03-2008, 01:57 AM
The savior of tennis no!
The true spartan no!
The #1 of the world this year no!
The new king of tennis no!
Strong of both wings no!
I will never lose to federer again no!

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:57 AM
Funny you talking about evolution, maybe you haters need to accept that Nole made some mistakes when he was young but has now changed and matured into a fair player respected by all his peers. :shrug:

What? :haha: :haha: :haha:

dam0dred
06-03-2008, 01:58 AM
Funny you talking about evolution, maybe you haters need to accept that Nole made some mistakes when he was young but has now changed and matured into a fair player respected by all his peers. :shrug:

Um... you're being ironic here right?:confused:

GlennMirnyi
06-03-2008, 01:59 AM
yeah, thx for the article, the ultimate academic proof of djokovic's cheating.

i am not all surprised that there are people here at the mtf who'd read this article and will proudly come to conclusion that "there you go, even djokovic admitted himself that he cheated"

in the end, we have a situation here like the one from some religion <-> science forums. There are the creationists who "see proofs of god" and then there are scientists who happen to be atheists .
At one stage the creationsts, people who adore god will go that far in their delusion, fanaticism, hallucinations, that half of this group will just get sick of this irrationalism and will run in the opposite camp. :)

therefore, kita,glen,fiosca,imac and others kiss each other goodbye cause i'm sure that some of you will pack their bags and run. ;)

The deluded fanatics here are your groups of xenofobes.

elessar
06-03-2008, 02:00 AM
Well he has changed.

Now he actually retires from matches rather than trying to get through with the aid of the trainer and a few powernaps in his chair.
Nole knows that sometimes, even a spartan resolve and the heart of a lion won't be enough for him to win matches when he's THAT sick with sinus problems (remember he needed to have surgery many times), cramps, a tooth ache, sheer exhaustion at the end of a grueling season, a sore throat, asthma.... It's only the smart and sporting thing to do to retire so your opponent doesn't lose energy for his next round and the crowd doesn't get stuck watching a match where he's not at 100% :shrug:

Corey Feldman
06-03-2008, 02:03 AM
McHoleo

scoobs
06-03-2008, 02:06 AM
Novak paces slowly back to his chair and slumps in it, deep in thought, as the umpire calls out the game score.

He puts his head in his towel.

'Even with my Spartan resolve, and my heart of a lion, I don't think I can win this match, and since I can't win, it would be unfair of me to continue in this match and deprive the fans the win in a messy way. I can't do that to them. In my heart of lion hearts I know it would be wrong, for me and for my country. They came to see me win and if I cannot win, they do want to see anything at all. It is decided. I retire!"

It's all so logical now....

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 02:09 AM
djokovic is the ATP's answer to the boy who cried wolf... and there he is laying on the court with a nasty looking compound fracture of the femur, blood forming a lake on the court surface... and he wonders why the crowd boos and his opponent asks him to play on and stop stalling...

the number 3 in the world is a class player but that doesnt hide the fact he is a Grade A pussy...

fukn pussy...

elessar
06-03-2008, 02:10 AM
So much hate for Nole on MTF and in this thread in particular, I wonder what he's ever done to deserve that :confused: ?

scoobs
06-03-2008, 02:13 AM
So much hate for Nole on MTF and in this thread in particular, I wonder what he's ever done to deserve that :confused: ?
Not me - I'm just taking the piss.

I don't hate him. He's just...there.

Sometimes I'm impressed, sometimes his antics piss me off. Most of the time he does what he does and I'm not particularly interested.

Lee
06-03-2008, 02:13 AM
What? Novak Djokovic didn't come up with something new for people to bash him that they have to dig up something happened more than 30 months ago?

btw, I wholeheartly recommend the author of the original article send this and his/her resume to the producers of all soap operas in USA.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 02:18 AM
So much hate for Nole on MTF and in this thread in particular, I wonder what he's ever done to deserve that :confused: ?

simple honour between men...

he doesnt allow the honourable thing to happen and let the natural path of the match play out when he can see the end...

while i know there is a packed schedule and there are many of the lads feeling the pinch a bit, but hey... its kinda obvious that novak would rather be dishonourable than to take a loss on the nose...

a real shame... cos i like his game heaps..

i dont even know if the gamesmanship he does is cheating...

simply put... he is a pussy

xelena
06-03-2008, 02:20 AM
xenofobes???? :)))) jebus come back and fix this mess! ;)
the funny thing is that Kitahead is bred-in-the-bone nationalist and that is the main core of his profound hatred towards djokovic .. and nobody finds that inappropriate. I really dont understand why kita, glen and some other experts have not written a letter to ATP officials and have done something about this cheating??

Nole is earning points, prize money, sponsor deals, while cheating every player on tour from the very beginning all up till now and they're all blind ,stupid and probably corrupted unlike our Kita experts therefore someone better stop this huge ongoing scam and save tennis!!!!

Tennis saviors it's your turn now!

ATP Executive Offices
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Palliser Road
London, W14 9EB
United Kingdom
Tel.: +44-20-7381-7890
Fax: +44-20-7381-7895

krakenzero
06-03-2008, 02:22 AM
ROTFLMAO at this article:haha::haha:

Here's the link to the match, provided by the OP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_XLDlDWLQ :wavey:

~*BGT*~
06-03-2008, 02:51 AM
Glenn, one thing you can appreciate about Roddick fans is that when he does something wrong or inappropriate (outburts against Nishikori and in AO), at least we admit it was wrong. Some of these NoleTards can't even do that when it's obvious he was wrong. :shrug:

Deivid23
06-03-2008, 02:58 AM
Troll threads are not what they used to be, MTF population lacks originality these days :zzz:

Bernard Black
06-03-2008, 03:00 AM
So much hate for Nole on MTF and in this thread in particular, I wonder what he's ever done to deserve that :confused: ?

What has he ever done to deserve adoration?

If he was an out and out bad boy this wouldn't be an issue. It's the fact he's a cheating moron on the court then tries so hard to get people to like him off court. People can clearly see the double standards there, can't blame them for that.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 03:03 AM
Troll threads are not what they used to be, MTF population lacks originality these days :zzz:

perhaps its cos this may not be a troll thread as it merely points out the blindingly obvious, not something that someone thinks is or isnt the case...

xargon
06-03-2008, 03:16 AM
The article is a laughable, overblown piece of bad writing, btw.

Gael's uncle wrote the article.

savesthedizzle
06-03-2008, 03:19 AM
The article is a laughable, overblown piece of bad writing, btw.

Really reallllllllly bad writing. :rolls:

ASP0315
06-03-2008, 03:25 AM
Fakervic is a joke. (oh yeah now Robredo joined the list. )
Yes this guy cheated so many times. This isn't the first one.(this should be great title "the begining on Fakervic" would be fine. )
Well only fakervictards defend him no one else does. :lol:
Anyway, who cares about him, cheaters will not stay long on the tour. Can't Wait to see him drop down his rankings dramatically.

Alex999
06-03-2008, 03:31 AM
Nole, we love you no matter what. You are perfect :hug:
:angel:

ASP0315
06-03-2008, 03:37 AM
Everybody remembers this match but the Fakertards. Why? Because they had no idea who was the cheater. They started following tennis only after he won that fluke TMS.

Nah, I'm not a fangirl like you who can't accept losses.

When Faker beats Federer on clay you come back here. Without timeouts. :haha:

well said.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 04:03 AM
Win at all costs.

Djokovic is the perfect general to win the war against Federer and his pansy minions.

Crush any and all pansies that stand in your way. Winnning is all that matters. Being nice is for losers.

Do what must be done Lord Nole. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Vamos Nole :worship:

Caerula Sanguis
06-03-2008, 04:07 AM
Win at all costs.

Djokovic is the perfect general to win the war against Federer and his pansy minions.

Crush any and all pansies that stand in your way. Winnning is all that matters. Being nice is for losers.





Vamos Nole :worship:

Dude, shouldn't you be worry about him beating Rafa and taking #2?

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 04:09 AM
Dude, shouldn't you be worry about him beating Rafa and taking #2?

Any sacrifice is worth it to end Federers evil blight of tennis. If Rafa must pay the price for it to happen so be it.

Caerula Sanguis
06-03-2008, 04:10 AM
Any sacrifice is worth it to end Federers evil blight of tennis. If Rafa must pay the price for it to happen so be it.

Oh wow. Hatred is stronger than Love!

wilmar
06-03-2008, 04:24 AM
Any sacrifice is worth it to end Federers evil blight of tennis. If Rafa must pay the price for it to happen so be it.

oh no!

Piggy can't be made into a sacrificial lamb.

dmit424
06-03-2008, 04:29 AM
Nole knows that sometimes, even a spartan resolve and the heart of a lion won't be enough for him to win matches when he's THAT sick with sinus problems (remember he needed to have surgery many times), cramps, a tooth ache, sheer exhaustion at the end of a grueling season, a sore throat, asthma.... It's only the smart and sporting thing to do to retire so your opponent doesn't lose energy for his next round and the crowd doesn't get stuck watching a match where he's not at 100% :shrug:


If only Federer had retired during the AO, you would have cried foul. But Federer is a decent and honorable player, and gutted that match out. Why? Because he knows that feeling of joy, pride, accomplishment, and glory that accompanies a slam win (and, to a lesser degree, any pro win). He knew how hard Djokovic must have worked and how badly he wanted to win, and that is why he did not do the dishonor of robbing Djokovic of those emotions, by retiring. (Too bad for the crowd, because I am sure, as you pointed out, they were less than pleased to see Roger out there at less than 100% and would have certainly preferred to see him quit rather than try and gut it out. What fans want to see a player gut it out? That's no fun! Right?) And Federer isn't even special in this regard. The vast majority of pro players don't retire, and play most of their matches at less than 100%, because they are decent people and because they fight to the end. I remember Djokovic, during the Australian Open, said something like, "Serbs don't lay down for anyone," or , "Serbs don't come to the court to lay down." How unfortunate that he doesn't feel any shame in saying those comments and associating himself with such powerful images and emotions, because it seems like he will lay down for anyone whenever he's at less than 100%.

The crowd DOES want to see someone fight to the end, injury and all. They don't want to see Djokovic retire because of allergies. They don't want to see him take multiple injury timeouts and then admit they were part of gamesmanship. They don't want to see him take multiple bathroom breaks. Otherwise, they wouldn't boo him when he does his sorry act or quits the match with his tail tucked between his legs, now would they? Get it right.

*Viva Chile*
06-03-2008, 04:31 AM
Is this a fan fic???? :confused:

Beforehand
06-03-2008, 04:34 AM
The best part was Gael trying not to cry. I love this article, and I am rather fond of Novak.

dmit424
06-03-2008, 04:35 AM
Any sacrifice is worth it to end Federers evil blight of tennis. If Rafa must pay the price for it to happen so be it.

Is this real? :smash:

Beforehand
06-03-2008, 04:42 AM
Is it R=FK?

Forehander
06-03-2008, 05:20 AM
Djokovic lol. Let see how long he can last with his hip joint.

SAtennis
06-03-2008, 05:37 AM
I'm not surprised at all. Why would Fakervic world-widely be hated?

TheSwissMaster
06-03-2008, 06:16 AM
must be written by a rafatard

TheSwissMaster
06-03-2008, 06:17 AM
but still boo to joko

TheSwissMaster
06-03-2008, 06:18 AM
i hope djoko gets thrashed by roger in the RG final

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-03-2008, 06:23 AM
Nothing new about Fakervic. :rolleyes: I hate him since that match.

bokehlicious
06-03-2008, 07:19 AM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Wouldn't be surprised if this was ghostwritten by a prominent member of MTF PathoHater Squad (e.g. Pussy Antonius or the likes)

:hug: :hug: :hug: another conspiracy against Serbia, no doubt :devil: :lol:

DhammaTiger
06-03-2008, 07:29 AM
Interesting article, thanks for posting. I remember that match very well and how disgusted I was with Djokovic's abuse of the rules. Ever since then I don't like Djokovic at all.

DhammaTiger
06-03-2008, 07:37 AM
Interesting article, thanks for posting. I remember that match very well and how disgusted I was with Djokovic's abuse of the rules. Ever since then I don't like Djokovic at all.

Radalek
06-03-2008, 08:00 AM
It is a real pitty that the Faker is playing another of his friends - Gulbis, instead of the former one Monfills.
It would have been lovely to throw this matter to the French crowd .
They would have made him lovely acceptance.

Just like the famous one Martina Hingis had against Steffi :) in even more famous final .

It was handed to French crowd next RG, and Monfils was handed 3-0 defeat and we haven't seen any problems or negative comments.Poor Kitinov, get a life without hating...

sports freak
06-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Novak has a big bright future no doubt,a few more Grand Slams b4 this kid is done!!

KitinovRules
06-03-2008, 08:52 AM
Kitahead, bienvenue à paris, .. when you come i'll be more than happy to open your cage for you and let you run free.. and i might join you at the paris masters and cheer with you for the best champ from fyrom who will kick some ass ;))
Smrdena,

I have been to Paris many times before. Don't you worry about my cage,(I have Slovenian passport :p) and yes I have already booked tickets for the Masters.

I am not sure that you will join me.
Not much MD's could sign the doc which allows you out of that beautiful house.
Stick to the voices in your head and enjoy :)

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 09:00 AM
I'm surprised at how many people here never knew the story of this match (although I've never seen it told in such a "partisan" way). It's not like it happened 10 years ago.

Very old news.

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 09:36 AM
What a bunch of crap in this article !
I can't wait to se Novak Djokovic as NO 1 in the world.
I will lough so much and enjoy posting here !
It is so funny reading your comments and hate toward Novak , it is amazing stuff !

Keep it up guys !

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 09:56 AM
What a bunch of crap in this article !
I can't wait to se Novak Djokovic as NO 1 in the world.
I will lough so much and enjoy posting here !
It is so funny reading your comments and hate toward Novak , it is amazing stuff !

Keep it up guys !

No actual counter argument then? Just the typical Nolefan line: "Why so much hate towards Novak, he has grown up - a good guy of both wings as well. He will be no.1 that will shut up all the haters!"

Yes he will be no.1 someday and is good of both wings and yes the article was a bit oTT but the crux of it is Nole uses alot of gamesmanship, which is not acceptable whatever level he is at whether that is #1 or #1000.

His sinus problems/asthma DO NOT account for all of his retirements/injury-time-outs etc. Some of it is just basic cheating and quitting when your down. Can you accept that?

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 10:19 AM
If i am talented young player and have problem on court i will retire coz i have cerea in front of me and why should i risk serious injury to satisfy people or you guys on MTF?
I know meny other players who ask for doctor or retire but they are not called cheaters .
This post is only here to spread hate towards Novak !
It is so pathetic... but i enjoy it so much !

MaryX
06-03-2008, 10:27 AM
His sinus problems/asthma DO NOT account for all of his retirements/injury-time-outs etc. Some of it is just basic cheating and quitting when your down. Can you accept that?


Why?Are you competent and authorized interpreter of the ultimate truth?I guess not.

leng jai
06-03-2008, 11:04 AM
Why?Are you competent and authorized interpreter of the ultimate truth?I guess not.

It doesn't take Nasa to figure out that half of Fakervic's retirements are sus.

*Ljubica*
06-03-2008, 11:11 AM
It doesn't take Nasa to figure out that half of Fakervic's retirements are sus.

Nor does it take NASA to figure out that over half the posts against him here are just fuelled by bitter hatred and a wish to "troll" :rolleyes: Seems everyone needs a "villain" to focus their negative feelings on, and for the moment, MTF have chosen Nole in this role - I'm sure they'll find someone else soon, just as, in the past, they demonised Hewitt, Roddick and many others.

For me - I am proud to be a Nole fan :) Yes - he has made some mistakes (who hasn't?), but I've met him many times, and he's a really nice guy, - and I respect him a lot. He treats his fans with kindness and respect, he is loyal to his coach and his family, and he works hard. So personally I don't give a sh*t what the haters say about him, they won't change by opinion.

Rogiman
06-03-2008, 11:18 AM
Nor does it take NASA to figure out that over half the posts against him here are just fuelled by bitter hatred and a wish to "troll" :rolleyes: Seems everyone needs a "villain" to focus their negative feelings on, and for the moment, MTF have chosen Nole in this role - I'm sure they'll find someone else soon, just as, in the past, they demonised Hewitt, Roddick and many others.

For me - I am proud to be a Nole fan - yes - he has made mistakes (who hasn't?), but I've met him many times, and he's a really nice guy, - and I respect him a lot. So personally I don't give a sh*t what the haters say about him, they won't change by opinion.I have never had any kind of issues with you and I don't intend to have any in the future but I have yet to figure out when exactly you find it appropriate to join in the fun and bash a player (my gut feeling: when you don't like him yourself) and when you don't (when you actually like the player?).

There's one rule for all players, and the chance that one player is bashed more than other (just as successful or more) ones "just like that" is very slim, an no, nationality has nothing to do with that.

MaryX
06-03-2008, 11:21 AM
It doesn't take Nasa to figure out that half of Fakervic's retirements are sus.


Maybe, but hatred and subjectivity never produce the most accurate conclusions.The person that theoretically could make an objective analysis should be a neutral one.The problem is, noone is neutral about Novak.The article writer -the least.

almouchie
06-03-2008, 11:24 AM
in the long run this will hurt him, and become a target for players who think its unsportsman what he does, he might end up having a hell more than 1 player on court playing against him
the crowds love an underdog, and that he is no longer one
its sad to see him sometimes excessively use the "laws" and pratices in a match

Rogiman
06-03-2008, 11:25 AM
Maybe, but hatred and subjectivity never produce the most accurate conclusions.The person that theoretically could make an objective analysis should be a neutral one.The problem is, noone is neutral about Novak.The article writer -the least.Everyone is initially neutral, until something changes.
Why is noone neutral about him? Must be a reason...

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Everyone is initially neutral, until something changes.
Why is noone neutral about him? Must be a reason...

Simple, but accurate.

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 11:37 AM
If i am talented young player and have problem on court i will retire coz i have cerea in front of me and why should i risk serious injury to satisfy people or you guys on MTF?
I know meny other players who ask for doctor or retire but they are not called cheaters .
This post is only here to spread hate towards Novak !
It is so pathetic... but i enjoy it so much !

Why?Are you competent and authorized interpreter of the ultimate truth?I guess not.

But if either of you read my post fully you would see that I don't deny Novak has sinus/asthmatic problems but that some of his retirements etc. have NOT been to do with this. Nole has admitted this himself (read the previous pages for links) - in this particular example he took timeouts to regain energy when he was in bad physical condition.

No-one is a competent and authorised interpreter of the ultimate truth it doesn't stop people being correct. Djokovic is an excellent tennis player - I don't doubt CatLady that he is nice towards fans, is good for the game or loyal to his family and coach. All I'm saying is that he HAS been known to cheat and retire unnecessarily something he admits but something quite a lot of his fans won't.

I think I gave a decent argument there with reasoning but I reckon I'll still just get a response for being a 'hater' and part of MTF against Novak. It seems that an awful lot of people have said this about Novak including commentators, ex-pro's etc. Are we all wrong?

DDrago2
06-03-2008, 11:37 AM
Maybe, but hatred and subjectivity never produce the most accurate conclusions.The person that theoretically could make an objective analysis should be a neutral one.The problem is, noone is neutral about Novak.The article writer -the least.

Well I am neutral about Djokovic. However I am not neutral about his supporters (his parents included), they are pushing him too far. Constant alusions of him being better than Federer realy irk me - Djokovic is a very good player but this kind of talk shows what kind of scoundrels most of his fans are

*Ljubica*
06-03-2008, 11:38 AM
I have never had any kind of issues with you and I don't intend to have any in the future but I have yet to figure out when exactly you find it appropriate to join in the fun and bash a player (my gut feeling: when you don't like him yourself) and when you don't (when you actually like the player?).

There's one rule for all players, and the chance that one player is bashed more than other (just as successful or more) ones "just like that" is very slim, an no, nationality has nothing to do with that.

Well let's just say I have no objection to the "fun" of some bashing threads like Duck Hunt, Piggy Roasting etc - yes - even the ones knocking Nole in a nice way - some of the anti-Nole ones are quite funny. But in my view, it all gets out of control, when instead of just "bashing" a player you don't like with daft recipes for pork or whatever :shrug:, people start bashing the family (including little brothers still at school), and the entire nation that a player comes from. And I feel exactly the same when threads like GOAT cheese stray from "bashing Roger, and start attacking Mirka for her weight or her appearance - it is wrong and unnecessary in my opinion.

A lot of the threads here like GOAT cheese or whatever are amusing, and fans of the "bashed" player even join in the fun, - but there are just so many bitter nasty vitriolic threads attacking Djokovic, which end up atacking his country etc, and that is where draw the line. And - sorry - but I do believe there is excessive bashing of Djokovic and his nationality because of where he comes from, with comments that would never be allowed if you replaced the word Serbia or Serbian with "black", "Muslim", "gay" or whatever, and that makes me :mad: And you know that I tend to share your views on "racism" and people being too overtly "politically correct" :)

And I don't want to fall out with you either :hug:

ginnylegend
06-03-2008, 11:38 AM
Nor does it take NASA to figure out that over half the posts against him here are just fuelled by bitter hatred and a wish to "troll" :rolleyes: Seems everyone needs a "villain" to focus their negative feelings on, and for the moment, MTF have chosen Nole in this role - I'm sure they'll find someone else soon, just as, in the past, they demonised Hewitt, Roddick and many others.

For me - I am proud to be a Nole fan :) Yes - he has made some mistakes (who hasn't?), but I've met him many times, and he's a really nice guy, - and I respect him a lot. He treats his fans with kindness and respect, he is loyal to his coach and his family, and he works hard. So personally I don't give a sh*t what the haters say about him, they won't change by opinion.

I don't give a shit what you say about him either. :wavey:

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 11:44 AM
I don't give a shit what you say about him either. :wavey:

OUCH

MaryX
06-03-2008, 11:44 AM
Why is noone neutral about him? Must be a reason...

Do you consider yourself generally : likable , unlikable, or people are divaded about you, or nobody cares for you excluding your close relatives?Are you loved by everyone?You don't have to reply, it was just descriptive.And, does it mean you are worse person if someone/or many/ hates you?Is hate always rational?Novak is controversial and that is good for him.Interesting, charismatic guy-not that he is some angel or mother Teresa, but who is?

Simple, but accurate.


And similar but very important:why is noone neutral about you?

*Ljubica*
06-03-2008, 11:44 AM
OUCH

I can assure the quoted poster that the feeling is totally mutual :)

DDrago2
06-03-2008, 11:47 AM
Do you consider yourself generally : likable , unlikable, or people are divaded about you, or nobody cares for you excluding your close relatives?Are you loved by everyone?You don't have to reply, it was just descriptive.And, does it mean you are worse person if someone/or many/ hates you?Is hate always rational?Novak is controversial and that is good for him.Interesting, charismatic guy-not that he is some angel or mother Teresa, but who is?

Novak is a beautifull white angel swimming in a pool of shit :lol:

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 11:51 AM
Novak is a beautifull white angel swimming in a pool of shit :lol:

Well played...I think alot of fans can't accept one bad thing said about Djoko.

I admit Federer has mental problems against Nadal, his backhand can be shit at times, he is too obstinate at time and can be egocentric. I couldn't list S Williams problems on 1 page but I take all my favourites bad points.

groundstroke
06-03-2008, 11:53 AM
I thought everyone knew about Djokovic doing that?

ginnylegend
06-03-2008, 11:53 AM
People hate him cos he's a cheating asshole.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 11:54 AM
Novak is a beautifull white angel swimming in a pool of shit :lol:

The man above writes sense.

Herdwick
06-03-2008, 11:57 AM
I don't give a shit what you say about him either. :wavey:

Ye gods. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are charming in person but is it really necessary to be quite so rude here?

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 11:57 AM
I see alot of sense being said in this thread that Djokofans just can't concede.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 11:58 AM
And similar but very important:why is noone neutral about you?

What are you on about actually? I don't give a crap about what people think of me on MTF.

They can think I am an arrogant, racist, superior thinking, patronising, cantankerous, condescending, unfriendly, rude, surly, humourless, boorish know it all arsehole and that wouldn't bother me at all. Why? Because I'm nothing to most of the people on here, as it should be.

If people like me great, if not they can do what they want.

Rogiman
06-03-2008, 12:00 PM
Well let's just say I have no objection to the "fun" of some bashing threads like Duck Hunt, Piggy Roasting etc - yes - even the ones knocking Nole in a nice way - some of the anti-Nole ones are quite funny. But in my view, it all gets out of control, when instead of just "bashing" a player you don't like with daft recipes for pork or whatever :shrug:, people start bashing the family (including little brothers still at school), and the entire nation that a player comes from. And I feel exactly the same when threads like GOAT cheese stray from "bashing Roger, and start attacking Mirka for her weight or her appearance - it is wrong and unnecessary in my opinion.

A lot of the threads here like GOAT cheese or whatever are amusing, and fans of the "bashed" player even join in the fun, - but there are just so many bitter nasty vitriolic threads attacking Djokovic, which end up atacking his country etc, and that is where draw the line. And - sorry - but I do believe there is excessive bashing of Djokovic and his nationality because of where he comes from, with comments that would never be allowed if you replaced the word Serbia or Serbian with "black", "Muslim", "gay" or whatever, and that makes me :mad: And you know that I tend to share your views on "racism" and people being too overtly "politically correct" :)

And I don't want to fall out with you either :hug:While I generally agree about the bashing of family members, there is a certain difference between Federer's camp, consisting of quiet respectful people and Novak's, whose parents behaviour is controversial comparing to most things tennis fans normally encounter. That said, I agree they are bashed way too much.

As for the infamous Serbian 'discrimination', how many people in the whole world find any fault with Anna Ivanovic?

ginnylegend
06-03-2008, 12:00 PM
Ye gods. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are charming in person but is it really necessary to be quite so rude here?

Basically half of MTF are rude.

Plus that poster I responded to reminds me too much of my university days when I wrote like sentence after sentence of non-stop gibberish essays that no one could be bothered reading through and her ':rolleyes:' after every post criticising her beloved Faker.

MaryX
06-03-2008, 12:00 PM
Novak is a beautifull white angel swimming in a pool of shit

As for you:I don't know why you brought out the Novak fans issue in this thread.I don't think Novak is better than Federer, or more accurate, he'll never be like Federer and maybe noone will.It isn't impossible, though, that till the end of year he fully establishes himself as currently better player.Any way, when the talk about Novaks antics is near to end, then the conversation of his fans stars.
And, then, you claim being neutral.
Is this the statement of neutral person or mean metaphor of subjective one?

think alot of fans can't accept one bad thing said about Djoko.I admit Federer has mental problems against Nadal, his backhand can be shit at times, he is too obstinate at time and can be egocentric. I couldn't list S Williams problems on 1 page but I take all my favourites bad points.


Would you accept that he is evil person?

*Ljubica*
06-03-2008, 12:04 PM
While I generally agree about the bashing of family members, there is a certain difference between Federer's camp, consisting of quiet respectful people and Novak's, whose parents behaviour is controversial comparing to most things tennis fans normally encounter. That said, I agree they are bashed way too much.

As for the infamous Serbian 'discrimination', how many people in the whole world find any fault with Anna Ivanovic?

Thanks for your answer. I couldn't rightly answer your question about Ana as I never visit WTA World and know next to nothing about womens' tennis, and what may or may not be said about her - but I do get your point though. As for Novak's parents - I agree they can be way too "over-the-top" at times, but he can hardly be blamed for that. Nice talking to you.

kafemotor
06-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Ups... many threads deserve better attentions than this one. Don't know why a thread like this is allowed for bashing a player...

MaryX
06-03-2008, 12:07 PM
What are you on about actually? I don't give a crap about what people think of me on MTF.

They can think I am an arrogant, racist, superior thinking, patronising, cantankerous, condescending, unfriendly, rude, surly, humourless, boorish know it all arsehole and that wouldn't bother me at all. Why? Because I'm nothing to most of the people on here, as it should be.

If people like me great, if not they can do what they want.


That was my point.You are the last person who should agree with rogiman about "there must be a reason people are not neutral".You should know why someone draws so much attention.

Rogiman
06-03-2008, 12:07 PM
Would you accept that he is evil person?I think he's quite the asshole, but an amazing tennis player and I try to watch as much as possible of his matches (to be honest, last year I thought he was good but too mechanical to my taste, but this year he's probably the most aggressive player on tour :eek: ).
I believe Nadal is a much nicer person but I hate watching his tennis, and I hope Novak soon dispossesses him of the number 2 spot, and if any of them is to reach no. 1 I'd much rather it would be Novak.

It is not impossible to separate game and personality.

Herdwick
06-03-2008, 12:09 PM
Basically half of MTF are rude.

Plus that poster I responded to reminds me too much of my university days when I wrote like sentence after sentence of non-stop gibberish essays that no one could be bothered reading through and her ':rolleyes:' after every post criticising her beloved Faker.

1) They are indeed and we all know who they are but why not be different?

2) Then surely you appreciate reasoned argument? Disagree with anyone you wish by all means and de-construct contentious points with logic; why weaken your case with childish insults?

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 12:12 PM
That was my point.You are the last person who should agree with rogiman about "there must be a reason people are not neutral".You should know why someone draws so much attention.

You proved nothing at all actually. Rogiman made a sensible point and I agreed with it. That counts for shit how I get along with the guy.

What it comes down to this, that you can appreciate a players game (Coria at his best on clay), but not like the way he went about things. Not that difficult.

Aloimeh
06-03-2008, 12:14 PM
You proved nothing at all actually. Rogiman made a sensible point and I agreed with it. That counts for shit how I get along with the guy.

What it comes down to this, that you can appreciate a players game (Coria at his best on clay), but not like the way he went about things. Not that difficult.

And the sensible point is, if someone is liked/disliked there must be a reason for it?

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 12:18 PM
Would you accept that he is evil person?

No? What kind of question is that. I don't think any player is evil.

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 12:18 PM
And the sensible point is, if someone is liked/disliked there must be a reason for it?

You can work that out. I make my own opinions of people. Disliking someone for no reason is pretty ordinary.

MaryX
06-03-2008, 12:21 PM
believe Nadal is a much nicer person but I hate watching his tennis, and I hope Novak soon dispossesses him of the number 2 spot, and if any of them is to reach no. 1 I'd much rather it would be Novak.


I agree Nadal is much better person, or well/traditionally/modestly/ nurtured.I even enjoy both of them play.I don' find either atractive in terms of appearance.So, it is nice Rafa is nice and again,I like him,but let's be honest: who would you choose to meet and have a chat and coffee with?

Rogiman
06-03-2008, 12:28 PM
I agree Nadal is much better person, or well/traditionally/modestly/ nurtured.I even enjoy both of them play.I don' find either atractive in terms of appearance.So, it is nice Rafa is nice and again,I like him,but let's be honest: who would you choose to meet and have a chat and coffee with?Nadal :shrug:

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 12:34 PM
This topic has really spiralled off...

Aloimeh
06-03-2008, 12:53 PM
This topic has really spiralled off...

Yes, it's important that we stick to the matter at hand. There is serious work to be done: hating.

Aloimeh
06-03-2008, 12:58 PM
Honestly, and not to claim that Novak is some totally innocent victim, there seems to be a witchhunt/scapegoat phenomenon going on here. For some reason, everything that's been going on with other players (e.g. Nadal's timewasting and vulgar service routine, del Potro's retirements, Murray's foul language, etc.) has now converged on this one person who represents irreverence to the established "hierarchy," whose parents are not softspoken but rather as outspoken as he is, and who is now accused of practically all manner of (tennis and non tennis) evil. A case in point: when he retired in Monte Carlo the forum was rife with insults against Novak and his family. When Stepanek, Roddick, and Almagro retired in Rome, there was not so much as a peep. It's just an interesting phenomenon, that's all.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 12:59 PM
Oh wow. Hatred is stronger than Love!

It the Fedtards who made me dislike Federer.

The way they go after Rafa and Nole with lies and insults, I realised someone had to stand up to them and their God.

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 01:00 PM
Yes, it's important that we stick to the matter at hand. There is serious work to be done: hating.

In my case it is alot of serious disliking. Hate is too strong a word only to be reserved for vicious fix-supporters (I don't include donkey there).

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 01:00 PM
Honestly, and not to claim that Novak is some totally innocent victim, there seems to be a witchhunt/scapegoat phenomenon going on here. For some reason, everything that's been going on with other players (e.g. Nadal's timewasting and vulgar service routine, del Potro's retirements, Murray's foul language, etc.) has now converged on this one person who represents irreverence to the established "hierarchy," whose parents are not softspoken but rather as outspoken as he is, and who is now accused of practically all manner of (tennis and non tennis) evil. A case in point: when he retired in Monte Carlo the forum was rife with insults against Novak and his family. When Stepanek, Roddick, and Almagro retired in Rome, there was not so much as a peep. It's just an interesting phenomenon, that's all.

Nole is not liked because he doesnt back down and wants to be #1.

Most of the fed fans are used to players bowing to Federer and never having the guts to stand up to him and challenge for the number 1 spot.

Its the same reason Nadal was hated before.

The biggest threat to Federer will be hated. Simple.

The sooner Federer and his fans have left tennis, the better it will be.

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 01:02 PM
It the Fedtards who made me dislike Federer.

The way they go after Rafa and Nole with lies and insults, I realised someone had to stand up to them and their God.

Haha the day in the life of R=FK...a vicious loathing in the pit of your stomach 24-7.

scarecrows
06-03-2008, 01:04 PM
It the Fedtards who made me dislike Federer.



kudos for that

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Haha the day in the life of R=FK...a vicious loathing in the pit of your stomach 24-7.

Federer losing shows there is hope for the world and the victory of good. 2008 the year of hope.

I dont hate Federer. I dont want him to get hurt. I want him to be at 100% and lose till he retires and his bandwagon fans stop watching/following tennis.

Herdwick
06-03-2008, 01:12 PM
It the Fedtards who made me dislike Federer.

I love Fed and will continue to do so but I so understand this statement.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-03-2008, 01:13 PM
I love Fed and always will but I understand this statement.

Thank You.

As I have said to many other posters, if more Fed fans were like you I would be neutral to Fed.

scarecrows
06-03-2008, 01:19 PM
RFK, it's sad that a tennis forum influences your tennis taste

GugaF1
06-03-2008, 01:23 PM
Man, what a bunch of whiners and cry babies in here... you guys seriously need a life, to be seating in front of computer all day, looking for any details and past issues to be judging a succesful tennis player's soul. Reading this thread seems like Djokovic is Satan himself. I am not even a particular fan of the guy...

Just enjoy the Tennis, stop playing god and shut up..

Bernard Black
06-03-2008, 01:27 PM
Man, what a bunch of whiners and cry babies in here... you guys seriously need a life, to be seating in front of computer all day, looking for any details and past issues to be judging a succesful tennis player's soul. lol, Reading this thread seems like Djokovic is Satan himself. I am not even a particular fan of the guy but...

Just enjoy the Tennis, stop playing good and shut up..

I guess the humour in this thread is lost on you.

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Thank You.

As I have said to many other posters, if more Fed fans were like you I would be neutral to Fed.

A true Spartan....but will you change your Username to Nole = Fed Killa or is it too soon for that?

GugaF1
06-03-2008, 01:40 PM
I guess the humour in this thread is lost on you.

Mommy, mommy, look!..he is a faker, a faker..buaaaaa...is winning a lot too..buaaa..buaaa..not fair..buaaaa.. just suck a fat one! better humour now :wavey:

FedererSlam
06-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Mommy, mommy, look!..he is a faker, a faker..buaaaaa...is winning a lot too..buaaa..buaaa..not fair..buaaaa.. just suck a fat one! better humour now :wavey:

This is not good humour.

kafemotor
06-03-2008, 01:48 PM
Man, what a bunch of whiners and cry babies in here... you guys seriously need a life, to be seating in front of computer all day, looking for any details and past issues to be judging a succesful tennis player's soul. Reading this thread seems like Djokovic is Satan himself. I am not even a particular fan of the guy...

Just enjoy the Tennis, stop playing god and shut up..

Oke, you got ur point, now stay inside the line or you will become someone you hate..

Fumus
06-03-2008, 02:23 PM
This is not good humour.

That's correct it's good humor. ;)

Beat
06-03-2008, 02:28 PM
i remember that match very well. it was unbelievable. in a sad way.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 02:30 PM
i remember when Hewitt came on the scene in Australia. He polarised opinion about him so decisively, while Rafter just stood back and was loved by every man and his dog.

People didnt like his antics, tho... i did... i saw nothing wrong with it, the fist pumping and the vocals to go with it... and i would ask: Q: 'hey why dont you like hewitt?' A: 'cos he's a little c*nt'

being a c*nt certainly didnt have him popular in spanish or argy circles either, but i thought that being a c*nt shouldnt warrant mass hatred... winning with passion and determination was something i admire... and, as i have found, u have to have a little bit of c*nt in you to be successful.

but Novak is not a c*nt... he is just a pussy... and that is what i dont like... i dont know if he actually breaks the rules, but just bends them in an obvious way... then hides behind the camera with a smile like a smug sh!t and has most believe that his way was the truth...

more than that... quitters are pussies...

and i dont like pussies...

rocketassist
06-03-2008, 02:32 PM
Another magnificent MTF thread :bowdown: :D

Auscon
06-03-2008, 02:41 PM
I don't really like Djokovic, but that article was lame

No matter what Djokovic might have done, plenty of players can cruise through a 4th set to lose in the 5th, so I don't know why he emphasies that so often. That and Gaels injuries might have a tad more to do with his lower ranking that Novak being a prick to get through that match

Puschkin
06-03-2008, 02:46 PM
I agree Nadal is much better person, or well/traditionally/modestly/ nurtured.I even enjoy both of them play.I don' find either atractive in terms of appearance.So, it is nice Rafa is nice and again,I like him,but let's be honest: who would you choose to meet and have a chat and coffee with?
neither, I would ask them to call Marat instead. :p

jasmin
06-03-2008, 03:01 PM
Hopefully fate and fairness will have a way of catching up to Novak Djokovic.

I really hope so...oh and I would rather talk to Marat too.

ZakMcCrack
06-03-2008, 03:02 PM
Federer losing shows there is hope for the world and the victory of good. 2008 the year of hope.

I dont hate Federer. I dont want him to get hurt. I want him to be at 100% and lose till he retires and his bandwagon fans stop watching/following tennis.

As a matter of fact your malicious-joy serves as a mainstay to your sense of injustice towards Federer's success. Didn't you jump yourself on a bandwagon by joining into defamation, joining forces with the ones who can't do anything else but despise?

Montego
06-03-2008, 03:10 PM
As much as i dislike Djokovic's personality - you have to give him some credit for what he has just done. at *4-5 *Ad-40 Gulbis - the service was called out and Djokovic changed ref's decision and basically gave Gulbis a game to tie 5-5. Well done, Faker, kudos. (but it changed my opinion about Djoko only by some 1% :) )

Montego
06-03-2008, 03:11 PM
And Gulbis applauded it loudly.

~*BGT*~
06-03-2008, 03:45 PM
Constant alusions of him being better than Federer realy irk me - Djokovic is a very good player but this kind of talk shows what kind of scoundrels most of his fans are

:worship:

Well played...I think alot of fans can't accept one bad thing said about Djoko.

I admit Federer has mental problems against Nadal, his backhand can be shit at times, he is too obstinate at time and can be egocentric. I couldn't list S Williams problems on 1 page but I take all my favourites bad points.

Exactly. After reading this thread I'm finding very few fans -- and even fewer of the more crazed fans -- admitting that what he did was wrong. As I said before, you can admire Roddick fans because at least we admit that Andy is an ass sometimes. But to some NoleFans, I guess his shit is gold. :shrug:


As for the infamous Serbian 'discrimination', how many people in the whole world find any fault with Anna Ivanovic?

She's boring and dull and her shrieks are annoying. :p I prefer the less talked about Serbs -- Janko and Jankovic -- and I hope JJ kicks Ana's ass in the semis and wins a slam before her. :devil:

Thanks for your answer. I couldn't rightly answer your question about Ana as I never visit WTA World and know next to nothing about womens' tennis, and what may or may not be said about her - but I do get your point though. As for Novak's parents - I agree they can be way too "over-the-top" at times, but he can hardly be blamed for that. Nice talking to you.

In a way he can. Obviously he is not discussing it with his family; therefore, he approves of their behavior. :shrug: All he has to tell them is that it's unnacceptable and to stop what they're doing. Whether he likes it or not, he is a reflection of his family.

Federer is classy and classy, quiet people are in his box. Rafa is kind and humble and has an uncle who will readily applaud an opponent's good shots. And Djokovic... well... :angel:

Honestly, and not to claim that Novak is some totally innocent victim, there seems to be a witchhunt/scapegoat phenomenon going on here. For some reason, everything that's been going on with other players (e.g. Nadal's timewasting and vulgar service routine, del Potro's retirements, Murray's foul language, etc.) has now converged on this one person who represents irreverence to the established "hierarchy," whose parents are not softspoken but rather as outspoken as he is, and who is now accused of practically all manner of (tennis and non tennis) evil. A case in point: when he retired in Monte Carlo the forum was rife with insults against Novak and his family. When Stepanek, Roddick, and Almagro retired in Rome, there was not so much as a peep. It's just an interesting phenomenon, that's all.

Stepanek should be disregarded because he withdrew because of a tummyache. :rolleyes: Almagro and especially Andy were obviously impaired. Andy couldn't move his neck, much less his serving shoulder. It's so bad now that he can't even serve now.

I guess that because of his history, he's hard to trust regarding whether he is injured or just doesn't want to finish the match. :o

but Novak is not a c*nt... he is just a pussy... and that is what i dont like... i dont know if he actually breaks the rules, but just bends them in an obvious way... then hides behind the camera with a smile like a smug sh!t and has most believe that his way was the truth...

What's the difference between a c*nt and a p*ssy? :confused: If you ask another girl, I'm sure she wouldn't know the difference. ;)

marcRD
06-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Nole is not liked because he doesnt back down and wants to be #1.

Most of the fed fans are used to players bowing to Federer and never having the guts to stand up to him and challenge for the number 1 spot.
Its the same reason Nadal was hated before.

The biggest threat to Federer will be hated. Simple.

The sooner Federer and his fans have left tennis, the better it will be.

:bs:
Nalbandian is constantly beeing a threat to Federer and is not hated.

marcRD
06-03-2008, 03:59 PM
when he retired in Monte Carlo the forum was rife with insults against Novak and his family. When Stepanek, Roddick, and Almagro retired in Rome, there was not so much as a peep. It's just an interesting phenomenon, that's all.

:lol: You shouldnt compare these injuries, both Almagro and Stepanek had to withdraw from Hamburg and Roddick had to even withdraw from Roland Garros. I think you are swimming way too far out in the ocean here..

Forehander
06-03-2008, 04:50 PM
i remember when Hewitt came on the scene in Australia. He polarised opinion about him so decisively, while Rafter just stood back and was loved by every man and his dog.

People didnt like his antics, tho... i did... i saw nothing wrong with it, the fist pumping and the vocals to go with it... and i would ask: Q: 'hey why dont you like hewitt?' A: 'cos he's a little c*nt'

being a c*nt certainly didnt have him popular in spanish or argy circles either, but i thought that being a c*nt shouldnt warrant mass hatred... winning with passion and determination was something i admire... and, as i have found, u have to have a little bit of c*nt in you to be successful.

but Novak is not a c*nt... he is just a pussy... and that is what i dont like... i dont know if he actually breaks the rules, but just bends them in an obvious way... then hides behind the camera with a smile like a smug sh!t and has most believe that his way was the truth...

more than that... quitters are pussies...

and i dont like pussies...

Ok wait wait wait wait a second here... c*nt and p*ssy are same thing aren't they? I reckon you should use a$$ and p*ssy instead. Otherwise it may cause confusion in the future. Just my opinion though.

SAtennis
06-03-2008, 04:53 PM
:bs:
Nalbandian is constantly beeing a threat to Federer and is not hated.

Exactly! Lots of Fed fans, including Federer himself, actually respect Nadal.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Ok wait wait wait wait a second here... c*nt and p*ssy are same thing aren't they? I reckon you should use a$$ and p*ssy instead. Otherwise it may cause confusion in the future. Just my opinion though.

yeah... you're probably right...

the word selction probably wasnt the best there i have to say...

i have always viewed the term p*ssy as something a little softer than the word c*nt... as in Pussy Willow or Puss in Boots... c*nt being a more aggressive...

i'll try to keep my unforced errors down in the future...

Forehander
06-03-2008, 05:05 PM
I was playing chess against the Russian champion. I asked for a time-out, and went to the toilet. In the toilet there's a bin, and that's where I hid my secret weapon - poisonous blow darts. They're so small it's hardly noticeable when you're hit by one of them. From the rest room back to the Chess table, it is about 30 metres approximately. From the entrance of the toilet, with an estimate of 95% success rate from this distance, I will blow out one of my darts, filled with dart-frog poison, and hit the neck of the Champion. He will feel something, but unfortunately as smart as he is, he would only still recognize it as a mozzy bite. Altogether it took me about 3 mins. From there on I will casually walk back to the table, and contend with him in a full serious game of chess. In the end, guess who won? Me. Simply because the Russian Champion forfeited. I was never in doubt and most of all I was never afraid. I walked in and challenge the Champion with pride and came out of the room with a proud victory. Forever though I was recognized as "The JokerFakerbitch".

Djokovic goes down into the history book as a moron.

its.like.that
06-03-2008, 05:35 PM
typical piece of trash this djokovic

vucina
06-03-2008, 05:37 PM
I was looking for a thread to post this little story, and I find this one to the most appropriate. So, here it goes.





I have recently made a mistake in my life, and I offer my story to you, that you may learn from my error. It all started, as many things do, with me having trouble shitting.

No, I was not constipated; this was not a regularity problem but a matter of technique. It seems my ass-hair had grown to such a length that tiny grogans were constantly getting tied up in the matted jungle between my asscheeks. It led to much frustration, with me KNOWING that I still had something to drop, but unable to shake the tenacious turd loose from its butthair dwelling. Eventually I would have to do two things: either reach down with some paper and try to pinch off the lingering loaf (which required careful precision to avoid smearing the creature all over my rear, especially since I had no way of seeing what I was doing) or just go for broke, start wiping, and hope that I could remove all the leftover fecal matter before the toilet paper reached its Can't-Be-Flushed threshold.

I was contemplating this problem, when I had what seemed at the time to be a bright idea. "Hey! This is my butt and my butt-hair, right? So why don't I just eliminate all the hair, and then my grogans will flow out like beer from a keg!" I said to myself. It is a statement that will go down in history with a lot of other regretted statements. "How many Indians could there be?" said by General Custer. "Looks like a good day for a drive!" by JFK. "There! America On-Line now has complete Usenet access!" by some idiot system tech. Such was my anal shaving idea.

I performed the operation that night, with a cheap disposable razor and a towel to sit on. Starting from the bottom, and shaving from the crack to the cheeks, I began the arduous process of ridding my ass of hair. Occassionally, I would have to clean the razor of accumulated hair and miscellaneous slime, which I did by wiping it on the towel. Slowly, my twin mounds and the between-ravine began to resemble the hairless cheeks of a newborn baby. Finally, I wiped the razor one last time, and surveyed my work. The towel was covered with a pile of hair. My ass was smooth as ivory. I smiled, satisfied, thinking my troubles were over.

Little did I know.



I now have a great respect for anal-hair. Like everything in this world God created, it has its mighty purpose in existence. It was only after I had removed it that I started to learn how much I had been taking it for granted. For one, it provides friction. I learned this the next day, when I walked out into the sun heading for class. After climbing two flights of stairs and starting to sweat, I started to notice something unpleasant. The sweat was accumulating in my crack, and was causing the unpleasant sensation of my two asscheeks sliding past each other with every step. I thought about going to the bathroom and wiping it off, but had to get to class. Eventually, I thought, it would dry.

Unfortunately, it did dry, but only after mingling with the microscopic shit- molecules lingering around my brown starfish. When I stood up after class, my cheeks were stuck together with a slimy sticky shit/sweat combination. As I made my way back to my dorm, it started to itch. God-DAMN, did it itch! Felt like a swarm of ants was making its way up and down my crack. Fighting to keep from jamming my hand down there and scratching away, I rushed back to the dorm.

Unfortunately again, this exertion caused me to sweat, and when I finally reached my room, my cheeks were sliding back and forth against each other like a pair of horny cane-toads. I quickly dropped my pants, and attempted to dry my ass off by sticking it in front of a fan and spreading my cheeks. As I pulled the two mounds of flesh apart, a horrible stench burst free and filled the room. Every dog within a 4 block radius started to howl. I had it worst of all, as the ripe aroma of festering shit/sweat went into the fan and blew back into my face. I fought to keep from heaving. And as I sat there, fighting vomit, my ass cheeks spread and dripping, with the concentrated aroma of my body odor mixed with the tangy smell of my own shit blowing right into my face, I had only one thought: "It will be like this until the hair grows back. Weeks."

Later on, trying to deal as best I could, wiping my ass at every opportunity, I discovered another wonderful use for ass-hair - ventilation. I attempted to launch a fart, only to have it get stuck between my asscheeks. Apparently, with no hair, the two pink twins can get vacuum sealed together, and the result was a frustrating fart that slid up and down between my cheeks like a lost gerbil.

As if that wasn't enough, I am now enduring further torture. As anyone who has ever shaved anything knows, when hair is first growing in, it comes in as stubble. Imagine your ass having the texture of a brillo pad. Well, that is what I am dealing with now. It is a hellish torture, and there are many times when I just look out the window and contemplate why I shouldn't just jump out and get it all over with in one fleshy splat, rather than endure this constant agony.

Friends, DON'T SHAVE YOUR ASS-HAIR!

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 05:38 PM
typical piece of trash this djokovic

Please , talk nicely about future NUMBER ONE IN MENS TENNIS !

its.like.that
06-03-2008, 05:39 PM
And I will never forget Djokovic's lame attempt to suck up to the crowd after he won the Australian Open this year. Despite the fact that the crowd was behind Tsonga, nobody appreciated Djokovic's antics or the way his stupid family carried themselves. Yet in his stupid victory speech the soft-c*cked tw*t tries to guilt the crowd into liking him :o.

Never seen a slam winner act like this before.

habibko
06-03-2008, 05:42 PM
Exactly! Lots of Fed fans, including Federer himself, actually respect Nadal.

me included :)

wow this is the first time I hear about this incident, yes the article is too much drama but this did happen, something that was never done by a current top 10 (let go Fed or Rafa..)

so yes Djoker deserves less respect than them, and he has yet to prove growing up with his recent so called "retirements".

yet all this bashing and trolling is too much too :smash:

Adler
06-03-2008, 05:43 PM
Disliking someone for no reason is pretty ordinary.
And that's what is sad. People are so irrational. No wonder why only 10% or human being's decision are based on rational reasons

Action Jackson
06-03-2008, 05:45 PM
And I will never forget Djokovic's lame attempt to suck up to the crowd after he won the Australian Open this year. Despite the fact that the crowd was behind Tsonga, nobody appreciated Djokovic's antics or the way his stupid family carried themselves. Yet in his stupid victory speech the soft-c*cked tw*t tries to guilt the crowd into liking him :o.

Never seen a slam winner act like this before.

Yes, that was horrible, especially after Srdjan's shenanigans with the fans sitting behind him. He should embrace the villain role and go with it.

Eden
06-03-2008, 05:45 PM
It the Fedtards who made me dislike Federer.
The way they go after Rafa and Nole with lies and insults, I realised someone had to stand up to them and their God.

:awww:

What would MTF be without you? :worship: You are the Robin Hood of the forum and thanks God you are always honest and humble towards Roger :hatoff:

Nole is not liked because he doesnt back down and wants to be #1.

Most of the fed fans are used to players bowing to Federer and never having the guts to stand up to him and challenge for the number 1 spot.

Its the same reason Nadal was hated before.

The biggest threat to Federer will be hated. Simple.

The sooner Federer and his fans have left tennis, the better it will be.

Most Fed fans have followed tennis probably already when you were still a little kid ;) Tennis is more than just hating a player who you don't like, but you and some other posters on this forum prove it every day that you don't have interest in the game at all.

It's a part of the sport that players lose. It's frustrating when it is your favourite one, but you have to respect it when the opponent is better. Life goes on.

I can't speak for other Federer fans regarding their opinion towards Djokovic. Only a blind one wouldn't see his talent and achievements, but what bugs us are the constant comments from his family towards Roger. They are of course entitled to have their opinion and it is natural that they support their son, but it isn't necessary to downgrade the achievements and personality of someone.

Magus13
06-03-2008, 05:58 PM
First off Fuck the Joke. He is an asshole, faker, cheater and so is his family and most of his fans. I have no problem with players who challenge Fed, never had a problem with Safin at the AO, Hewitt when he was kicking Fed's ass, Nalbandian who still beats Fed regularly, and was totally ok with Roddick and Gonzo beating Fed recently. I always respected Nadal and am fine with the fact that he has been able to beat Fed and push him over the last 4 years. Realize this Fed fans don't hate players who challenge Fed, they hate Joke because of who he is, what he does, and what he says.
Now for the point at hand. No player within the top 50 should lose to any player no matter the surface 6-1, 6-1, 6-1. Nadal played well but the last two opponents showed now heart at all. Talk about bending over, and being beaten before the match even starts. I'm glad Nadal is in the semis and hope that Fed gets a shot at him in the final Love Fed to win have no problem with Nadal winning it as well.

Adler
06-03-2008, 06:01 PM
First off Fuck the Joke
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAARGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

:cool:

Vida
06-03-2008, 06:17 PM
:awww:

What would MTF be without you? :worship: You are the Robin Hood of the forum and thanks God you are always honest and humble towards Roger :hatoff:



Most Fed fans have followed tennis probably already when you were still a little kid ;) Tennis is more than just hating a player who you don't like, but you and some other posters on this forum prove it every day that you don't have interest in the game at all.

It's a part of the sport that players lose. It's frustrating when it is your favourite one, but you have to respect it when the opponent is better. Life goes on.

I can't speak for other Federer fans regarding their opinion towards Djokovic. Only a blind one wouldn't see his talent and achievements, but what bugs us are the constant comments from his family towards Roger. They are of course entitled to have their opinion and it is natural that they support their son, but it isn't necessary to downgrade the achievements and personality of someone.

Fair view. Im most certainly not the fan of Djokos family (though younger bro is kinda cool), especially since dad interfered with my viewing pleasure the other day. And I can understand that those comments from mum 'king is dead' and whatever daddy said downgrade your favorite player. Its normal. I don't like it per se ither.

But, I guess that things are never black and white. I mean nothing more simple than label someone 'classless' or whatever. For example, maybe they honestly felt that what Fed said after that infamous DC tie was inappropriate. I mean with Djokos 'small thorax' thing and all, considering that he kinda admired Fed. Or other Feds comments like 'insignificant loss' and everything. He was an up and coming kid back then. Why was it hard to speak to a guy in private and clear things up. Its really hard to escape the impression that what Fed's been speaking about Djoko back than was - at least partly - motivated by him recognizing that Djoko is in no kiss-your-but mood a la Blake or Gasquet and alike.

But look, if you feel like Djokos been unfair or disrespectful to Fed in any way, I've got no problem you expressing it. I just doubt that things are black and white (as some people tend to see and portray), thats all.

Eden
06-03-2008, 07:44 PM
Fair view. Im most certainly not the fan of Djokos family (though younger bro is kinda cool), especially since dad interfered with my viewing pleasure the other day. And I can understand that those comments from mum 'king is dead' and whatever daddy said downgrade your favorite player. Its normal. I don't like it per se ither.

I think it shouldn't neither bother Federer or his fans what Djokovic's parents have to say about him, though it is probably natural that you feel a bit offended by such comments.


But, I guess that things are never black and white. I mean nothing more simple than label someone 'classless' or whatever. For example, maybe they honestly felt that what Fed said after that infamous DC tie was inappropriate.
I mean with Djokos 'small thorax' thing and all, considering that he kinda admired Fed. Or other Feds comments like 'insignificant loss' and everything. He was an up and coming kid back then. Why was it hard to speak to a guy in private and clear things up. Its really hard to escape the impression that what Fed's been speaking about Djoko back than was - at least partly - motivated by him recognizing that Djoko is in no kiss-your-but mood a la Blake or Gasquet and alike.

I agree with you that things are never black and white. Roger probably shouldn't have made the comment back then at the DC tie in public, especially as it had nothing to do with himself to speak about the medical timeouts. It would have been easy for him to talk to Novak in private. On the other hand Roger is the No. 1 player in the world and known for fair play, therefore it's maybe natural that he felt annoyed about the happenings during the Wawrinka-Djokovic match.

He already said several times that he was wrong judging Novak's progress as a player.

Roger gets along well with most of the players on the tour. I have never heard anyone saying anything bad about him. Some may call it bending over from his opponents, I name it respect which he got for his achievements, but most of all for his behaviour on and off the court.

There has been the famous coaching accusation during the Federer-Nadal match at Rome 2006, but both teams were able to clear the situation, though Roger and Rafa have been main rivals for years.

I don't know why Roger and Novak can't solve their problems as well. But things here seem to be a bit more complicated, especially as Novak's parents are so involved. You really wonder why they are so often asked by the media about their opinion.


But look, if you feel like Djokos been unfair or disrespectful to Fed in any way, I've got no problem you expressing it. I just doubt that things are black and white (as some people tend to see and portray), thats all.

As already said I agree with you that things are never just black and white. I don't have a problem with Novak's selfconfidence, though it is not my cup of tea how he talks in the media.
I have heard from journalists and people here on the forum who had the opportunity to meet him that he is a nice guy. You can't blame him that he wants to become the best player. He is still young and has a lot to learn. He seems to already understand it that his impersonating of other players are not really liked by his colleagues. Now he just needs to learn that he has reached a point in his career now where he can't afford it to have such outspoken parents unless he doesn't care that it will just have a bad look on him when they talk trash.

Petrovic
06-03-2008, 07:53 PM
I agree with you Vida !

I personaly don't like Novak's family and their behaviour !
But when people here at MTF talk more of players family than tennis its not right.

I like Federer and Nadal , top class players !
Joker is special one , very determened to win and become number one , what is wrong with that !
He goes out and says it , yes i am gonna beat Fed or Nadal !!
That is the right attitude and go for it !

When Joker lost to Nadal in Hamburg i was so proud of him , he played so good V Rafa and showed class and talent .
Rafa won and that is ok , everybody in Serbia was proud of Joker for what he showed !

It is so funny reading comments and lies about Joker here at MTF.
Joker haters have no limits , svearing and lying , his family , supporters etc...
Pathetic and funny :devil:

Joker THE FUTURE OF MENS TENNIS !

SAtennis
06-03-2008, 08:04 PM
Wow! I can't believe some people here can't see who's more 'whit-ish' and 'black-ish'. So you don't know who's classy and who's not? Or are you in denial?

Herdwick
06-03-2008, 08:08 PM
Happily no sign of the parents at RG so it looks as though he may well have had a word. If they are here they must be keeping away from the cameras.

Lee
06-03-2008, 08:09 PM
Happily no sign of the parents at RG so it looks as though he may well have had a word. If they are here they must be keeping away from the cameras.

The parents and Djordje were there on Sunday but they didn't sit in the player's box.

DrJules
06-03-2008, 08:37 PM
Nor does it take NASA to figure out that over half the posts against him here are just fuelled by bitter hatred and a wish to "troll" :rolleyes: Seems everyone needs a "villain" to focus their negative feelings on, and for the moment, MTF have chosen Nole in this role - I'm sure they'll find someone else soon, just as, in the past, they demonised Hewitt, Roddick and many others.

For me - I am proud to be a Nole fan :) Yes - he has made some mistakes (who hasn't?), but I've met him many times, and he's a really nice guy, - and I respect him a lot. He treats his fans with kindness and respect, he is loyal to his coach and his family, and he works hard. So personally I don't give a sh*t what the haters say about him, they won't change by opinion.

That may be true.

However, many believe he has abused the injury time out rule, retired excessively from matches, used gamesmanship and unsportsmanlike tactis. None of which contradict what you are saying.

In terms of hostility it is no stronger than that previously directed towards Hewitt, Roddick and Nadal.

l_mac
06-03-2008, 11:11 PM
In terms of hostility it is no stronger than that previously directed towards Hewitt, Roddick and Nadal.
:lol:

They won't listen.

tangerine_dream
06-03-2008, 11:17 PM
Happily no sign of the parents at RG so it looks as though he may well have had a word. If they are here they must be keeping away from the cameras.
They are there but they weren't sitting in the player's box.

Sunset of Age
06-03-2008, 11:21 PM
Exactly! Lots of Fed fans, including Federer himself, actually respect Nadal.

Don't you know? In the eyes of Mr. R=FK, those are the worst. Traitors! Roger fans should HATE Rafa fans, and vice versa! Just like the guys themselves...:mad: ...oh oops. (:retard:)

Happily no sign of the parents at RG so it looks as though he may well have had a word. If they are here they must be keeping away from the cameras.

They are there but they weren't sitting in the player's box.

That's a relief, and if it's due to Djoko, I guess he understands that that family of his isn't doing him good in terms of enhancing his popularity. Good move, Djoko.

fast_clay
06-03-2008, 11:43 PM
And I will never forget Djokovic's lame attempt to suck up to the crowd after he won the Australian Open this year. Despite the fact that the crowd was behind Tsonga, nobody appreciated Djokovic's antics or the way his stupid family carried themselves. Yet in his stupid victory speech the soft-c*cked tw*t tries to guilt the crowd into liking him :o.

Never seen a slam winner act like this before.


yeah... goes down in notoriety that sh!t does... i remember watching that moment cringing and thinking: are the aussie public going buy that speech which had something like - 'but i still love you guys' or some sh!te... and, for the most part he got the applause, but... f*ck... someone please tell me, which champion had to openly plead for the crowd to warm to him...?

actions speak louder than words and right now neither match...

like PMK said, if he would just embrace the bad guy role then no problem from me cos mcenroe was my hero much to my parents disbelief.

Voo de Mar
06-04-2008, 12:00 AM
yeah... goes down in notoriety that sh!t does... i remember watching that moment cringing and thinking: are the aussie public going buy that speech which had something like - 'but i still love you guys' or some sh!te... and, for the most part he got the applause, but... f*ck... someone please tell me, which champion had to openly plead for the crowd to warm to him...?


I noticed yesterday that D'Joke had a problem how to behave himself after beating Gulbis. Parisian crowd supported Gulbis and was even booing Djokovic after throwing racquet. Djokovic finally decided to hail the crowd but I noticed grimace on his face, he didn't want to do it :D

Generally I don't care about that stuff, watching tennis match is the most important part of this whole circus :cool:

Chiseller
06-04-2008, 01:19 AM
I noticed yesterday that D'Joke had a problem how to behave himself after beating Gulbis. Parisian crowd supported Gulbis and was even booing Djokovic after throwing racquet. Djokovic finally decided to hail the crowd but I noticed grimace on his face, he didn't want to do it :D

Everyone gets booed for throwing rackets. If you didn't notice, Gulbis got booed as well.

Voo de Mar
06-04-2008, 01:20 AM
Everyone gets booed for throwing rackets. If you didn't notice, Gulbis got booed as well.

I didn't notice, I couldn't watch second set.

GlennMirnyi
06-04-2008, 02:37 AM
As much as i dislike Djokovic's personality - you have to give him some credit for what he has just done. at *4-5 *Ad-40 Gulbis - the service was called out and Djokovic changed ref's decision and basically gave Gulbis a game to tie 5-5. Well done, Faker, kudos. (but it changed my opinion about Djoko only by some 1% :) )

Bullshit. He saw the ball in and just spared the umpire's walk to the spot. It would have gone that way anyway, on clay you can't simply erase the calls without losing the point.

GlennMirnyi
06-04-2008, 02:39 AM
Nor does it take NASA to figure out that over half the posts against him here are just fuelled by bitter hatred and a wish to "troll" :rolleyes: Seems everyone needs a "villain" to focus their negative feelings on, and for the moment, MTF have chosen Nole in this role - I'm sure they'll find someone else soon, just as, in the past, they demonised Hewitt, Roddick and many others.

For me - I am proud to be a Nole fan :) Yes - he has made some mistakes (who hasn't?), but I've met him many times, and he's a really nice guy, - and I respect him a lot. He treats his fans with kindness and respect, he is loyal to his coach and his family, and he works hard. So personally I don't give a sh*t what the haters say about him, they won't change by opinion.

What about his respect to the game and the other players. You conveniently missed that huge part.

I prefer a guy who's a c*nt to everybody but doesn't cheat, fake, disrespect and quit.