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Who has the best serve in tennis?

Haasfan
07-06-2004, 09:39 PM
I was just wondering, as today the serve is not as prominent as it used to be, many of the top players do not have amazing service actions. So who has probably the best service action, or most effective serve on tour today?

Boris betadvice
07-06-2004, 09:54 PM
the best is Karlovic , no doubt

papasmurf11
07-06-2004, 09:57 PM
I think Andy roddick does his serve is amazing!

alfonsojose
07-06-2004, 09:58 PM
Len Dementiev ;)

Bilbo
07-06-2004, 10:00 PM
Pim Pim

azza
07-06-2004, 10:10 PM
Wayne Arthurs

zoltan83
07-06-2004, 10:13 PM
Roddick for sure.

UrbanG
07-06-2004, 11:24 PM
Ljubicic

Fedex
07-06-2004, 11:34 PM
There have been several polls on the best serve before :rolleyes: I remeber getting into big, long debates about it along time ago. Its probably deep, deep in GM, but you'll find it eventually.

papasmurf11
07-06-2004, 11:40 PM
I dont get how this is really a question it should definetly be Roddick!

Roddickrokz91
07-07-2004, 12:02 AM
:worship: Definetely Andy Roddick :worship:

Bilbo
07-07-2004, 12:24 AM
I dont get how this is really a question it should definetly be Roddick!

The question wasn't who has the fastest serve!

papasmurf11
07-07-2004, 12:25 AM
No but andy has also a very accurate serve. I think by far Andy has the best serve!

Havok
07-07-2004, 12:37 AM
Andy, no contest really.:p

Roddickrokz91
07-07-2004, 12:37 AM
The question wasn't who has the fastest serve!
Hey Bilbo i neva said the question was who has the fastest serve,plus my opion is Andy Roddick.

*SKYE*
07-07-2004, 02:09 AM
yeh.... but ill still have to go with roddick.... and philopusis's serve wen it goes in too

Fedex
07-07-2004, 02:28 AM
Roddickrokz91, Andy is US Open champion of 03, not 04. I'm sure we'll be seeing a new champion this year. Federer, Nalbandian, Safin, or Henman will win it this year. ;)

Havok
07-07-2004, 02:33 AM
Henman winning the USO?:bigcry: take a look at his record :wavey:

Fedex
07-07-2004, 03:21 AM
Records mean nothing. He has Annacone now, one of the best coaches in the game. And he wont have any pressure to perform well there like Wimbledon. And he has winning records against mostly everyone in the top ten except Hewitt.

J. Corwin
07-07-2004, 03:24 AM
Henman won't be winning the USO. ;)

papasmurf11
07-07-2004, 03:24 AM
Henman winning I highly doubt it!I think it will be Roddick or federer!

Havok
07-07-2004, 04:00 AM
He had Anacone last year as well, and got beat by Roddick. Even with Anacone, henman will still fall early at the USO, it's not his best place to excell

Fedex
07-07-2004, 04:06 AM
No, he didnt. He started talking with him at the Paris Open last year, an indoor tournement, that he won beating Roddick in straight sets, by the way. Notice that was also his only loss to Roddick, at the US Open. I know that Andy & Roger have one thing in common that there both owned by Henman :lol: Also its not so bad to lose to Andy in a tournement, now is it. He wont play a top-seeded player like Andy for awhile, since he'll be a top seed himself. Point is i dont see Roddick defending US Open, or the Masters events he won last year. Roger will actually show up for the US hardcourt season, which we'll make it extremy difficult for Andy if he has to get past his nemesis Federer. All in all, i wouldent count Henman out.

Havok
07-07-2004, 04:10 AM
Even if Federer shows up at all 3 events, Andy can still defend them. And I specifically heard John McEnroe say that Henman had Anacone as his coach during the USO last year!

TennisLurker
07-07-2004, 04:16 AM
Andy, Ivo, Wayne.

Rusedski's serve is not as good as it used to be.

TennisLurker
07-07-2004, 04:17 AM
Ive been saying that henman will win the us open for half a year.

Fedex
07-07-2004, 04:19 AM
Well, we'll just see then in a few weeks time. Roger now is the king of hardcourts imo. He has the best record on it this year (and had more wins last year too, than anyone), has won a slam on it, a TMS, Dubai, these fast hardcourts are great for Federer's game. You can Serve-Volley on them, but also you can stay back. It will give him even more options than the Aus Open hardcourts did. I expect Federer to pick up atleast one of the masters, if not possibly the US Open. All this bullshit, about not being able to handle to intese crowd, hell, he HAS won tournements in the US before, beating Roddick and Agassi along the way. He should go farther than last year.

Havok
07-07-2004, 04:22 AM
Well I hope so the world #1 will get passed the 4th round. pretty pathetic that he hasn't done so thus far. And Federer needs to win one of the 3 big HC events during this stretch to be called the King of hardcourts because Andy owns it right now. AO is rebound ace, which plays nothing like a hardcourt.

Fedex
07-07-2004, 04:28 AM
Um, maybe youre a bit confused. :scared: :smash: Rebound ace IS a hardcourt. And if Federer can win on a slower surface like that, than he can certainly win one if not all the events this year. It suits his game very well. And actually last year he had to play Nalbadian, who at the time owned Fed. Had he not faced Nalbandian, i think he could of gone the way. Dont forget. that Nalbandian made it to the semis was up 2 sets on roddick, before a spectator in the crowd changed the course of the match. And if he does get past the 4th rd, dont be suprised if Roger adds the Open to his fast, fine collection of tropheys.

Havok
07-07-2004, 04:36 AM
rebound ace plays very slow with a high bounce. these harddcourts at this time of the season play quick and the balls dont bounce as high. maybe I should have specified the AO doesn't play like these current HC tournaments:o

LCeh
07-07-2004, 04:45 AM
Fedex, I think not only will the surface be a problem, but maybe the climate, the atmosphere, everything is in favor of Andy. Roger seemed really comfortable out there at AO, but I am not sure if he is as comfortable at the US hard courts. Plus Andy is always extra pumped up and confident on US hard courts, so it will be tough for Roger to beat Andy there.

Shy
07-07-2004, 04:48 AM
I honestly think that Roger problems in RG or US open, it is more the atmosphere and the climate rather than the surface.We know that he can do well on hardcourt and on clay,but he doesn't seem that comfortable at RG or the US open.

Fedex
07-07-2004, 04:53 AM
The surface shouldent be a problem. Its fast and low bouncing. Very well suited to Roger's game. As for the environment, well he has beaten him in the US in houston where Andy had full crowd support, constant,very annoying mind you, chants of 'lets go andy, lets go!! Andy, andy, andy, andy, andy,' etc, etc. I dont think he'll let the crowd bother him that much. I still would be very confident that Roger can beat Andy at home on harcourts.

WyveN
07-07-2004, 05:00 AM
AO is rebound ace, which plays nothing like a hardcourt.


Rubbish. They are not the same thing but there is a big similarity, most people who do well at USO have a good record at AO.
Plus Roger won IW.

Skyward
07-07-2004, 05:03 AM
Two possibilities:

1. Roger will be very tired and lose early

2. Roger will be very relaxed and happy( he's already had a great season) and reach semi at minimum.

I don't know about the climate, but he experienced not so friendly crowds in the past. For example, Houston is not exactly the most hospitable place on earth. :rolleyes:

dubis016
07-07-2004, 05:04 AM
There are few big/huge servers around, such as karlovic, arthurs, dent, scud, ljubicic, ancic, there are tonnes!! Don't want to admit it, but the truth is Andy can't be compared with those guyz on serve, he just is a freak server, i don't know what makes the serve speed go up that high!!!

Havok
07-07-2004, 05:19 AM
Rebound ace is SLOW with a HIGH BOUNCE. these summer hardcourts play FAST with LOW BOUNCE. i said they don't really play similar, and they are pretty different with the speed and bounce.

and Skyward, don't use the tired bit as an excuse, god forbid someone mentions that andy was flat and tired during the Fed match as Houston, and people go nuts :scared:

Fedex
07-07-2004, 05:24 AM
You just cant admit that Fed totally outclassed Andy on the day in TMC :rolleyes: :o He played as well as i've seen him play in that match ( i have it recorded). What, youre so tired you can serve 130MPH+ bombs about 80% of the time. His serve % was great, he played well, and even he himself admitted he was totally outplayed, hats off to Roger. And yes do to the fact that the the hardcourts play FAST with LOW BOUNCE , Roger should do great there this year, if not win.

Skyward
07-07-2004, 05:26 AM
and Skyward, don't use the tired bit as an excuse, god forbid someone mentions that andy was flat and tired during the Fed match as Houston, and people go nuts :scared:

What excuse? He has not lost yet. :lol:

And who wasn't tired in Houston, at the very last tournament of the season? :rolleyes:

Havok
07-07-2004, 05:28 AM
I didn't watch the match and I doubt i said he was tired and flat. how can i comment on something i didnt watch? I was just making a general statement.

Fedex
07-07-2004, 05:35 AM
Well, i saw the match, Naldo, Andy played great like at Wimbledon;serve % was in the 80's, moved well, but just the fact that he only had 5 aces, people begin to asume he was flat, and tired, couldent serve well. He was totally outplayed, and he himself admitted it.

WyveN
07-07-2004, 06:08 AM
Rebound ace is SLOW with a HIGH BOUNCE. these summer hardcourts play FAST with LOW BOUNCE.


thats straight out of a playstation tennis game

have you played on both surfaces? They are very similar, and as long as someone is succesful on one, they should be succesful on the other.

And stop changing your words you said "AO is rebound ace, which plays nothing like a hardcourt."

WyveN
07-07-2004, 06:10 AM
i said they don't really play similar

no you said "AO is rebound ace, which plays nothing like a hardcourt."

Roddickrokz91
07-07-2004, 07:16 AM
Roddickrokz91, Andy is US Open champion of 03, not 04. I'm sure we'll be seeing a new champion this year. Federer, Nalbandian, Safin, or Henman will win it this year. ;)

I KNOW HE'S THE CHAMP OF 03 BUT WHAT IM TRYIN TO SAY IS THAT HES GONNA DEFEND HIS TITLE THIS YEAR

Ferrero Forever
07-07-2004, 08:19 AM
juan carlos ferrero has the best serve, bcoz if i was playing him i'd be too busy staring at him 2 be bothered returning the ball.

Roddickrokz91
07-07-2004, 10:40 AM
I Hope A.Roddick wins the USO so hopefully he can get his #1 ranking again.

Crazy_Fool
07-07-2004, 10:54 AM
juan carlos ferrero has the best serve, bcoz if i was playing him i'd be too busy staring at him 2 be bothered returning the ball.
:haha: :haha: :haha: I probably would as well mind you.

Anyways Roddick is clearly the best server in terms of consistancy, being difficult to break, speed etc.

WyveN
07-07-2004, 11:04 AM
I think it may be Karlovic, some have said he is the best server of all time.

Crazy_Fool
07-07-2004, 11:11 AM
I think it may be Karlovic, some have said he is the best server of all time.
Really? Possibly you could be right there, his serve is scarily big.

Sandra
07-07-2004, 12:00 PM
I'd say that Coria has a lot of winning serves enven though his serve is not that powerfull and olso Marat which has a very powerfull one.

Havok
07-07-2004, 06:05 PM
thats straight out of a playstation tennis game

have you played on both surfaces? They are very similar, and as long as someone is succesful on one, they should be succesful on the other.

And stop changing your words you said "AO is rebound ace, which plays nothing like a hardcourt."
bullshit, you can see it with your own two eyes that the speed and the bounce are significantly different :rolleyes: and if someone is good on one they should be good on the other is crap as well. Mark, Lleyton, Rafter, Rusedski yes they were all awesome on the rebound ace. and I'm sure there are others, but I really don't feel like going through past results (oh Schalken comes to mind as well)

Skyward
07-07-2004, 06:19 PM
I think Hewitt, Mark, Rafter have( had) more problems with pressure AO being a home slam than surface itself, esp Lleyton's results on rebound ace tourneys prior to AO are impressive. Rafrer, if i'm not mistaken, reached semis once and lost to Agassi crumping in the process.

Havok
07-07-2004, 06:31 PM
Well I was just going by what WyveN said......

Skyward
07-07-2004, 06:43 PM
The point is that Hewitt, Mark P, Rafter are not the best examples for your case.

Havok
07-07-2004, 06:46 PM
i had others as well and like I said i really don't feel like digging through past results to show that you don't always excel on both the hard and rebound ace.

Goenitz_196
07-08-2004, 02:10 AM
Wow, talk about most of you judging through the current crop of players without even thinking about the past. And what about Goran Ivanisevic's serve in his younger days? Best serving display I've ever seen, with Richard Krajicek a close 2nd. Screw Andy Roddick.

Roddickrokz91
07-08-2004, 07:13 AM
Wow, talk about most of you judging through the current crop of players without even thinking about the past. And what about Goran Ivanisevic's serve in his younger days? Best serving display I've ever seen, with Richard Krajicek a close 2nd. Screw Andy Roddick.

:topic: :fiery: SO WHAT IF PPL THINK ANDY RODDICK HAS THE BEST SERVE,AND Y R U SAYING SCREW ANDY RODDICK WHEN HE WASNT THE ONE WHO TOLD PPL TO WRITE HIS NAME DOWN. :topic: :fiery:

WyveN
07-08-2004, 08:06 AM
i had others as well and like I said i really don't feel like digging through past results to show that you don't always excel on both the hard and rebound ace.

There will be exceptions to the rule but tell me a player who was consistently good on one surface but bad on the other.

My point was you said "rebound ace plays nothing like a hardcourt" which is WRONG. Your comment would apply if you compared Grass and Clay. If your so stubborn you cant admit when you said something foolish then please continue.

davor_suker
07-08-2004, 11:44 AM
All the Croatians have the best serves.
Goran Ivanisevic needs no introduction, Karlovic is just about unbreakable while Ancic and Ljubicic are way up there also.

Goenitz_196
07-08-2004, 04:07 PM
:topic: :fiery: SO WHAT IF PPL THINK ANDY RODDICK HAS THE BEST SERVE,AND Y R U SAYING SCREW ANDY RODDICK WHEN HE WASNT THE ONE WHO TOLD PPL TO WRITE HIS NAME DOWN. :topic: :fiery:

Tone down on the CAPS and stop having a hissy fit.

The thing is, these 'people' who thinks Andy Roddick has the best serve obviously haven't noticed the likes of Goran Ivanisevic, Richard Krajicek, and Pete Sampras in the past. They are judging from the current crop of players.

I'm saying "Screw Andy Roddick" because I don't think he has the best serve. Fastest serve yes, but as someone said earlier this topic is not just asking about who has the fastest serve.

Pea
07-08-2004, 05:55 PM
rodduck DOES NOT even have the best serve! For someone with the most powerful serve in the game like he is, you'd think he'd have more aces. He doesn't because he uses only pure power. He does not use placement, nor rarely angles.

asotgod
07-08-2004, 06:16 PM
Any of the aforementioned guys in the previous posts could be said to have the best serve. But, I think what determines best serve is not just the number of aces. It's the combination of number of aces, unreturned serves, unreadability of the server's motion or disguise, the mixture of the server's placement and type of serve, first serve points won, etc. At the moment, it could be Roddick, Karlovic, Ancic, Joachim or whoever. However, I think too much is being said about Ivanisevic's serve. I am not saying he doesn't have most of the characteristics stated above, I think one other thing that helped his serve is the lefty spin. It's much more dangerous than the right hander's spin, hence the difficulty to get used to it. Karlovic has a pretty interesting serve because of the height from which the ball is being struck but still does not achieve as much as expected.

Present stats at http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/default.asp show Roddick having the most aces, best first serve points, and 3rd (actually tied 2nd) with Joachim for service games won. So, I believe all arguments clearly show Roddick as the possessor of the best serve in men's tennis.

Beer Monster
07-09-2004, 12:09 AM
Elena Dementieva definately has the best serve in the game.

RoddickBabe10
07-09-2004, 12:24 AM
Andy Roddick has the best serve in the game for sure-- hands down.

And as for the US Open, I hope Andy defends his title which I have a feeling he will.

YoursTruly
07-09-2004, 12:34 AM
We interrupt our program for this message.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, Sjeng Schalken with the best serve!

Fedex
07-09-2004, 07:55 AM
thats straight out of a playstation tennis game


:lol: :lol:

Fedex
07-09-2004, 08:01 AM
I Hope A.Roddick wins the USO so hopefully he can get his #1 ranking again.
He wont get the #1 spot even if he wins the US Open :rolleyes: He has so many points to defend this summer, and even if he dosnt defend 1 or two of his big titles, i guarentee you Federer will be #1 at the end of the year. Unless Gaudio wins the US Open, Federer should be #1. It wouldent be fair, if someone had 1 or no slams made it to #1 ranking in the end, ans also wouldnt make sense. Just like last year Justine barely got #1, yet she won 2 majors. :( I'm sorry, but that also didnt make sense how Clijsters almost got year-end #1 without winning a major, despite two finals. :mad: So, point is even if he defends the Open, he wont be gaining any points. And if Federer has a great summer hardcourt swing, and shows up for the events (mentally), noone else will have a chance of #1.

Fedex
07-09-2004, 08:04 AM
We interrupt our program for this message.....

Ladies and Gentlemen, Sjeng Schalken with the best serve!
:haha: :haha:

whirlwind
07-09-2004, 11:02 AM
At present I would have to say Ivo Karlovic and it's not just me. Many critics and former players have said that his serve is not only big but he has a very natural motion on the serve. Rest of his game is pretty average but thanks to his serve he can cause trouble for the best out there.

Btw. Karlovic just won the first set against Federer 7:6

WyveN
07-09-2004, 11:27 AM
Obviously Roddick has much more game to back it up with then Karlovic but if you look at the serve alone then Ivo serves a far bigger amount of plain unreturnable serves (as well as serves that lead to basic put aways) then Andy

Neely
07-20-2004, 08:42 PM
Obviously Roddick has much more game to back it up with then Karlovic but if you look at the serve alone then Ivo serves a far bigger amount of plain unreturnable serves (as well as serves that lead to basic put aways) then Andy

l agree... and the match that ended a few moments ago was a good prove... Roddick's serve is the fastest, but going by the numbers of aces Karlovic has no contest currently.

He just fired 27 aces in 16 service games against Vahaly. Service winners not included.

5-7 6-3 6-4

sol
07-20-2004, 09:14 PM
Roddick has the fastest serve. Karlovik takes advantage of his tall. Ancic serves very well. However, a match with too many aces is too boring.

Deboogle!.
07-20-2004, 09:27 PM
As with this discussion when we originally had it, "best serve" is very subjective. It could mean fastest, it could mean most aces, it could mean best-placed, it could mean most first serve points won on average, it could mean most variety/has the most serves in his arsenal, etc. etc. etc. etc. And it doesn't really matter :)

Plus, Neely, Brian is a pretty short stocky guy so Karlovic's serve from up high is going to hurt him worse than it would someone taller. But let Ivo have his aces...b/c uh, his game doesn't have a whole lot else :angel:

Havok
07-20-2004, 09:36 PM
I hope you take into consideration the amount of double faults these players hit and their 1st serve %. You can throw in Mark as the best server, but they guy has at least 10+ doubefaults each game and his serve % isn't the greatest. There's more to serves than just speed and aces, its also your winning % and all that other stuff that comes with it. Just by taking a quick glance at the 5 or 6 service stats the atp site has for everyone to view, you can kinda gather from there who currently has the best serve in tennis.

Neely
07-20-2004, 10:26 PM
@Bunk
sure, it can mean a lot
and (normally) Ivo wins the best serve contest by aces
and that's what I wanted to say because as I saw his number increasing it was really awesome

@Naldo
Karlovic's 6 double faults were quite okay, considering that his 2nd serve is also high speed, risky and not cowardly played
plus, the reason why Karlovic doesn't appear in most service categories on ATP is that he doesn't have enough matches under his belt. Normally, you always need a certain amount of matches to qualify for such categories. Give Ivo time and he will soon appear there or even outgun Andy in some categories.

Deboogle!.
07-20-2004, 11:02 PM
Actually Neely that's not quite true. Many of the stats are done by a percentage, and only if it's a tie does the person who's played more matches get a higher ranking on the stat (and rightfully so because maintaining a stat for say 50 matches is more impressive than over 20). And if you look at the stats, he, Andy, and Roger are all at/near the top of most of the serve categories and I'd say those three are above the rest of the pack where those statistics are concerned.

I don't think there is any way to do such an anaylsis but I'd be fascinated to know how many aces Karlovic has depending on the height of the opponent. I have no clue what data would come out of that.

I don't doubt that Karlovic has certainly one of the top few serves in the game (unfortunately for him, it's kinda all he has most of the time - certainly when I saw him in person, almost every other shot he hit went into the net :o)... but is it for the sheer reason he's tall? In a real scientific study, these factors would be controlled for and my guess is that both Roger and Andy would come out higher than Ivo if height were controlled for.

It's impossible of course, but still interesting to talk about :)

It's very interesting to me, however, that people have for a long time bitched and moaned that anyone who can return Andy's serve can beat him easily, yet it's magnified about 1000% with Ivo and no one really seems to say anything :cool:

Seraphim
07-20-2004, 11:09 PM
Rod's Dick and Samp's Ass.

RonE
07-20-2004, 11:09 PM
There are a number of categories which seperate a great serve from a good serve- not just brute power:

1. Disguise- the player who can hit the ball in any direction from the same toss point in and point out has a huge advantage- you cannot anticipate where it's going to go.

2. Spin- pace, mixed with kick and/or slice to take the ball away from the returner. Even if the serve doesn't end the point it can still open up the court to enable the server to gain control of the point.

3. Angle- coupled with category #2 it is what gives the good server the ability to dominate the point.

4. Unpredictability- a great server doesn't routinely go for exactly the same serve point in and point out, unless the opponent has a major weakness on a particular wing and pace. It keeps the opponent guessing and provides the server with a huge psychological advantage.

Therefore, based on the above, the best serve in the game today belongs to a certain Roger Federer IMHO.

As for the best serve of all time- just have a look at my avatar. 'Nuff said ;)

Neely
07-20-2004, 11:15 PM
Actually Neely that's not quite true. Many of the stats are done by a percentage, and only if it's a tie does the person who's played more matches get a higher ranking on the stat (and rightfully so because maintaining a stat for say 50 matches is more impressive than over 20).
I'm not so sure if I got you right... so you wanna say me that somebody who loses 5 matches 6-7 6-7, holding every service game of his own, would appear among "highest % of service games won" as 100%? :rolleyes:

I don't think so... it's like in many other sports, an NBA free throw shooter hitting 20 out of 20 freethrows will never qualify for the official "best freethrow shooters" charts at the end of the season because he doesn't fulfill the minimum shots requirement. Somebody who hits three homeruns in one game will never be ranked higher in "homeruns per game" than somebody who consistently hits one homerun a game... and so on...
And I guess it's the same with ATP also because it would make no sense if you put a guy who just played 15 matches percentage-wise over somebody who played the quadruple amount.


It's very interesting to me, however, that people have for a long time bitched and moaned that anyone who can return Andy's serve can beat him easily, yet it's magnified about 1000% with Ivo and no one really seems to say anything
lol, yeah... it's just for the Andy haters... if you return Karlovic's serve he is mostly 100% helpless :lol:
well, at least you have to say that he broke Vahaly's serve every set after losing the 1st one :shrug:

Deboogle!.
07-20-2004, 11:36 PM
Neely, not all the stats are like that but some of them are definitely percentages, not based on matches played :) Look:
====

Service Games Won

Pos Player % Match

1. Karlovic, Ivo 91 27
2. Federer, Roger 91 51
3. Roddick, Andy 90 49
4. Johansson, Joachim 89 27
5. Agassi, Andre 88 24
6. Moya, Carlos 86 51
7. Mirnyi, Max 85 26
8. Verkerk, Martin 85 41
9. Fish, Mardy 84 26
10. Ancic, Mario 84 37

=====

To me that means it's done by matches, so yes if someone lost all their matches in tiebreakers, they would be #1 with 100% even if they'd won no matches... in this one, Karlovic is even above Roger with the same percentage! I don't make the stats, I can't tell you why :) But check it out, he's top 3 in 4 of 6 service categories, and has played fewer matches than many of the other players around him on the lists http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/default.asp

An interesting note on this particular topic of "best serve" however, is 2nd serve points... Andy and Roger are still in the top 3 of that one and Ivo is nowhere to be found on the list. Interesting :)

And have you ever seen Vahaly's serve?? Poor guy, but I don't think breaking him a couple times is that big a deal. IMO Vahaly breaking Ivo is a much bigger deal LOL

Neely
07-21-2004, 12:00 AM
all right, I see that Karlovic is even ranked 1st above Federer with the same percentage and less matches :eek:
that's really strange...

but the thing I couldn't figure out was why Karlovic didn't appear in the 2003 listing:


1 Roddick, Andy 91 89
2 Federer, Roger 87 89
3 Mirnyi, Max 87 64
4 El Aynaoui, Younes 86 62
5 Agassi, Andre 86 57
6 Ljubicic, Ivan 86 50
7 Fish, Mardy 85 61
8 Philippoussis, Mark 85 52
9 Kuerten, Gustavo 84 58
10 Ferrero, Juan Carlos 83 81

Ivo had a record something like 20-10, many losses just coming by multiple tiebreakers, so I thought he should have won at least 83% like Ferrero make that list. And the reason I thought that they didn't list him was that he didn't play enough matches to qualify for this sort of ranking (everybody in this list has quite a high amount of matches played, but maybe it's just coincidence). But maybe he really won only under 83% (5 out of 6 service games) :shrug:
No idea...


And have you ever seen Vahaly's serve?? Poor guy, but I don't think breaking him a couple times is that big a deal. IMO Vahaly breaking Ivo is a much bigger deal LOL
no never have seen him playing so far... but for Ivo, EVERY break and a won set without a tiebreaker should be considered as a big deal :lol:

Deboogle!.
07-21-2004, 12:35 AM
the only thing I can think of is that they have a "minimum" maybe an average or a percentage or something so that by the end of the season if a player hasn't played as much as the rest of the players on the stats then they can't be put on it? I really don't know :confused: Let's be confused and in the dark together :hug:

Well yeah... I only saw Karlovic play a little but let's just say it's a good thing for him that his serve is good. (He is not, however, as bad as Arthurs :lol: ) but anyway... I also think part of having the "best" serve is dependability and consistency. I think it's too early for Karlovic to definitely have those things with one or two good years of good serving. Let's see how it holds up over the years :)

Neely
07-21-2004, 01:06 AM
Let's be confused and in the dark together :hug:
lol, good agreement :D ...I'll take that! ;)

rue
07-21-2004, 02:50 AM
I really love Roger's serve. He may not serve as hard as Roddick or like Karlovic but I love his service action and the way he just glides up so high to reach the ball and then hits it. That is what I call a smooth and beautiful serve.

If I talk about the best serve in tennis, that would have to be Andy.

Frommage A Trois
07-21-2004, 04:18 AM
Ivo Karlovic

Billabong
07-21-2004, 04:43 AM
Guga and Rogi's serves :hearts:!

LiZpHaIr
07-21-2004, 06:31 AM
Roger Federer. He can serve at a decent pace and can place the ball anywhere he wants. Some times I don't even think Andy aims on his serves I think he just whacks the shit out of it.

Lalitha
07-21-2004, 11:15 AM
Add to that, Roger has an effective slice serve as well.

misyou25
07-21-2004, 11:19 AM
Greg Rusedski....

pinky
07-22-2004, 12:57 PM
Serve games won mean nothing if you want to know who got the best serve only...
All that matters is the % (and not number, we mean % per serve, not per set or game or match) of aces and % of unreturned serve. It would be clear to show who has the best serve if those stats were easy to find but unfortunately they are not :/

Anyway, Andy has the fastest serve and Ivo got the best serve overall.

Edit: and what makes Ivo best server is mainly his size. He can bombs ball down and it gives big rebounds, which players have many trouble with...

landoud
07-22-2004, 01:02 PM
andy and rogi both serve very strong

misyou25
07-22-2004, 01:17 PM
olli rochus is a very good server, and even if he would be 6' (he's only 5'5") its a good serve like it is now.

*SKYE*
07-22-2004, 02:43 PM
i agree with landoud... Andi Roddick and Roger Federer both have strong serves with consistenci