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Stefan Koubek makes Swiss cheese out of Ferrero in Gstaad 7/6 6/4

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 10:38 AM
Unfortunately I didn't get to see this match, but it's an interesting result that Koubek beat Ferrero on clay. I wonder if Ferrero will blame the altitude on this loss, no I don't think so.

I wonder how much of it, was Koubek was playing very well and Ferrero lacking match practice.

Anyone who saw the match, it would be good to hear from.

RonE
07-06-2004, 10:43 AM
I'd like to see Ferrero getting his act together this year, at least for the USO. But give him time, I'm sure it will come.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 10:45 AM
I want Ferrero to do well, but it might be better for him to try and gain some form, not worry too much about the results this year, and then be ready for 2005.

RonE
07-06-2004, 10:49 AM
I want Ferrero to do well, but it might be better for him to try and gain some form, not worry too much about the results this year, and then be ready for 2005.

Yeah, thats probably right- too bad he was injured during the clay season- I think he would have put Coria firmly in his place.

kiro
07-06-2004, 10:50 AM
I want to know what's happened too, the scoreline looks strange. Ferrero was leading in the 1st set, broke koubek in the 5th game and held his games easily. And it seems that he's suddenly off his game when serving for the set at *5-4. Koubek broke back and held easily to lead 6-5, and then everything is tough for Ferrero.

I wonder if it's Koubek who started his countattack in time and strongly, or it's Ferrero who just lost his game suddenly? :confused:

Lalitha
07-06-2004, 10:51 AM
Bad that Ferrero lost. Last year, it was like he was a player who did'nt lost in the first round of any tournament he entered. But isn't it hard to come back to top 5?

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 10:53 AM
Yeah, thats probably right- too bad he was injured during the clay season- I think he would have put Coria firmly in his place.

Don't worry about Coria put in his place this year, that happened on the biggest stage.

Strange as it may seem, this might not be a bad thing for Ferrero actually, to have not a great year, he shouldn't complain about having to play too many matches. He needs to get his body right, and once he has that, the results will take care of themselves.

Lalitha
07-06-2004, 10:59 AM
Strange as it may seem, this might not be a bad thing for Ferrero actually, to have not a great year, he shouldn't complain about having to play too many matches. He needs to get his body right, and once he has that, the results will take care of themselves.

And his head as well. After losing at Wimbledon, he said he did'nt had the confidence to play. Wonder what he had said after this loss?

RonE
07-06-2004, 11:09 AM
Don't worry about Coria put in his place this year, that happened on the biggest stage.


Don't get me wrong, its not that have anything against Coria (except for his occassionaly on court antics which are sometimes annoying) but I was curious to see how Ferrero would handle defending a grand slam crown- a fully fit Ferrero that is. And I just think that his extra weight of shot and consistency of it would have worn Coria out.

People were talking so much about Ferrero and Coria being the two most dominant players on clay I would have liked to see them play in the FO final now that Coria has become a more established member of the top 10.

Even though there are a lot of people who don't like Guillermo because of the way he questions line calls and he is not the most popular player in the locker room, I still couldn't help feeling sorry for him after the FO and the way he choked back the tears during the presentation ceremony.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 11:11 AM
RonE, this is about Ferrero's problems at the moment and this particular match. Coria has been discussed at length and elsewhere and I am not going to do it here.

RonE
07-06-2004, 11:16 AM
RonE, this is about Ferrero's problems at the moment and this particular match. Coria has been discussed at length and elsewhere and I am not going to do it here.

Fair enough, just making a point.

But I think it is right what you said, Juan-Carlos just needs time to get back into shape and once he does and wins a couple of tough matches I think that will sort out his head and enable him to play the kind of tennis that we saw last year destroy Agassi in the USO.

oxy
07-06-2004, 11:17 AM
seriously i feel juanqui should just try his best for the olympics, davis cup and if possible USO....otherwise his year is almost finish....just concentrate on being fully fir again...at least in 2005 he wouldn't have much to lose

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 11:21 AM
Fair enough, just making a point.

But I think it is right what you said, Juan-Carlos just needs time to get back into shape and once he does and wins a couple of tough matches I think that will sort out his head and enable him to play the kind of tennis that we saw last year destroy Agassi in the USO.

Cool cool I was just a bit short, when you see some of the Coria trolls here, then all this stuff that goes with it. No, I didn't feel sorry for him, whose fault was it that he cramped, enough of that.

Ferrero should really think about 2005. I mean this year his goals would be the Olympics, it would be unlikely that he makes the US Open final this year, though it wouldn't be a bad thing and the Davis Cup. Then again he plays plenty of events as well, he could improve some more physically and have a stronger strength and endurance base, which will help him.

RonE
07-06-2004, 11:21 AM
Seeing as he has a lot of points to defend having reached the Open final last year and winning TMS Madrid, there is a chance at the end of the year that he might be out of the top 10 and at the beginning of 2005 he will be a dangerous floater in tournaments much the way Safin is now- which might inspire him to make his comeback.

Ferrero Forever
07-06-2004, 11:26 AM
ferrero in my opinion is the best player ever, and i hate seeing him like this. He needs to rest, but he's playing in the mercedes cup in less than a week, so much for a rest. But i think he will do extremely well next year though.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 11:28 AM
There are no delusions there at all calling Juan Carlos Ferrero the best ever player? No, I didn't think so.

Neely
07-06-2004, 11:30 AM
yes, that's really a "surprise" :eek: I didn't expect this result.

I didn't see the match, too, so I can't help George with his question. Only thing that makes the result well explainable is that I know know that Koubek can play very good tennis from time to time (don't like him much though, IMO he's too much of a whiner; he is(was?) sporadically writing a column for an Austrian newspaper from time to time, just look at that and I could almost puke) and that Ferrero is almost totally off this year. It's really a horrible year for him, I wish him the best to return to old strenght.

RonE
07-06-2004, 11:30 AM
I think another factor with Ferrero was that last year he was really trying to prove to everyone that he's not just a claycourter but can do well on other surfaces- I think he has prvoen his point, making the US Open final, winning TMS Madrid, and then AO semis at the beginning of the year. I think that antagonizm has taken out quite a bit from him and now he doesn't have that monkey on his back anymore.

Having been sidelined for a while I think the break will do him good, re-establish his hunger, and then once he gets his confidence going he will be a very tough contender on all surfaces barring grass.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 11:40 AM
Neely, you support Kiefer and Haas and complain Koubek is too much of a whiner, that's one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

I am aware that Koubek can play quite well now and then, and have witnessed it myself, then again Ferrero is not at the top of his game at the moment, and good for Koubek to take advantage of it.

oxy
07-06-2004, 12:21 PM
Ferrero beaten in Gstaad

Juan Carlos Ferrero suffered a surprise first-round defeat to Austria's Stefan Koubek at the Swiss Open on Tuesday.
The Spaniard, seeded second behind Roger Federer, went down 7-6 6-4 to a player he beat at Wimbledon.

Ferrero has been struggling with injuries in recent months, losing in the second round of the French Open and the third round at Wimbledon.

Wimbledon champion Federer returns to action on Tuesday evening against Germany's Tomas Behrend.

Ferrero admitted he is struggling and will abandon his favoured clay for the hard courts of North America as he looks for a ranking-point boost.

"I'm not playing my best tennis," said the 24-year-old. "I cannot find my game, I'm sadly lacking confidence.

"I want to work hard for the Masters Series events in Toronto and Cincinnati. After that, my goals are to do well at the Davis Cup and the Athens Olympics."

From Official BBC Site
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poor juanqui....get urself back soon.....:sad:

heya
07-06-2004, 12:37 PM
sweet revenge :dance::woohoo::haha:

Billabong
07-06-2004, 12:41 PM
JC :sad:!!! Come back strong in the next event:)!

Neely
07-06-2004, 12:42 PM
lol, George... I'm glad that I could amuse you :haha: :yeah:

but from my point of view, I see some differences to Kiefer and Koubek.
1.) Koubek was never the kind of player that I liked from the beginning or with time passing, Kiefer was it for me from the first second on, so of course is Koubek not in the same league for me as Kiefer, although I'm of course still fair enough to admit that Koubek can play very good tennis on a good day.
2.) whereas Koubek is consistently querrelling with his kismet, Kiefer knows that it was mainly himself who didn't work hard enough the last years to achieve better results and that he was lacking mental strenght and effort in many situations to get his ass up. He's not cagey about that to admit.

and let alone talking about Haas, I know he can have some very bad words on-court and that he can be nothing but complaining with his game, and that he can be also a very controversial person if you meet him in real life, but I won't spend any more lines than I already did to discuss about Haas who has managed to come back with hard work, lots of determination, effort and strong will from an injury that would have been somehow career-ending for the majority of all pro tennis players in most cases.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 12:48 PM
lol, George... I'm glad that I could amuse you :haha: :yeah:

but from my point of view, I see some differences to Kiefer and Koubek.
1.) Koubek was never the kind of player that I liked from the beginning or with time passing, Kiefer was it for me from the first second on, so of course is Koubek not in the same league for me as Kiefer, although I'm of course still fair enough to admit that Koubek can play very good tennis on a good day.
2.) whereas Koubek is consistently querrelling with his kismet, Kiefer knows that it was mainly himself who didn't work hard enough the last years to achieve better results and that he was lacking mental strenght and effort in many situations to get his ass up. He's not cagey about that to admit.

Koubek was never the poor man's Agassi unlike Kiefer, who thought he could dominate the seniors like he did juniors, yet he never backed it up with results. Then again I am not keen on his petulance, and when he loses it, it's funny.

Haas, well I have discussed many times my feelings about that, but when it comes to injuries, he still doesn't hold a candle to Muster when it comes down to making comebacks. I can't even call Koubek the poor man's Muster.

WyveN
07-06-2004, 01:05 PM
Ferrero better get some wins soon otherwise it will be foolish to pick him for DC, dont think his place is secured with the depth in the Spanish squad.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 01:10 PM
Ferrero better get some wins soon otherwise it will be foolish to pick him for DC, dont think his place is secured with the depth in the Spanish squad.

Even at this worst, he could beat the Americans on clay. Though I do take your point.

WyveN
07-06-2004, 01:15 PM
Even at this worst, he could beat the Americans on clay. Though I do take your point.

But what about the French?
They have a habit of winning away from home so playing the Spanish on clay wont scare them.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 01:16 PM
But what about the French?
They have a habit of winning away from home so playing the Spanish on clay wont scare them.

They could play Albert Costa and they would beat the French.

Crazy_Fool
07-06-2004, 01:40 PM
*sighs* I was expecting this to happen, its kind of the way things are going with JC. :sad:

Good luck in the hardcourt season, JC, hope you can find your form soon.

Lalitha
07-06-2004, 01:49 PM
There are no delusions there at all calling Juan Carlos Ferrero the best ever player? No, I didn't think so.

*nod, nod*

Sjengster
07-06-2004, 01:52 PM
Woo-hoo Fashionista, revenge for the Wimbledon theft! Seriously though, Koubek does have QF points to defend this week from last year so I'm glad he has a chance of progressing now. Ferrero is seemingly in a vicious circle at the moment, he needs to play more matches to gain confidence but he's not getting them because he's losing early precisely through the lack of confidence and not yet being physically 100%. Hopefully he comes back strong for the summer TMS events, since those are his last chance to gain new points before the big double whammy of the US Open final and TMS Madrid victory hit his ranking. If he does return to some semblance of form I should think he'll keep a spot on the DC team - bearing in mind that the only French player who can remotely compete with the Spanish on clay has already lost to The Urinator Martin and David Ferrer on the red stuff this year, Ferrero and Moya should be good enough to do the job.

Action Jackson
07-06-2004, 01:55 PM
Sjengster, he needs to do well in Gstaad, as he is usually crap in Kitzbhuel, but I think Spain could use Felix Mantilla and still win the DC against France.

Vincent
07-06-2004, 04:38 PM
:( This is a bad loss, you will bounce back Juan-Carlos.

Alisa
07-06-2004, 05:44 PM
thanx for the article oxy! i'm very sad that jc lost(( i thought he had much time to train but maybe not enough... maybe he really needs months... but hope he'll be ok soon. he was so good last year and it was so interesting to watch him on court... i wish he could play the same. some day. or even better...))

Chloe le Bopper
07-06-2004, 11:11 PM
Ferrero better get some wins soon otherwise it will be foolish to pick him for DC, dont think his place is secured with the depth in the Spanish squad.
Me thinks that his spot is actually fairly bloody secure. Robredo is simply not reliable enough to throw in a Davis Cup semifinal for singles, unless they absolutely have to do it. Lopez is no better on clay than some of the Frenchies are, so playing him would sort of kill their clay advantage. Nadal has been out injured for several months, and time will tell how he's going to bounce back, and whether or not he's going to remain healthy or reinjure it. Of course, Costa is always a reasonable option, rankings be damned... but he hasn't been doing a lot more than Ferrero has this year, has he?

Chloe le Bopper
07-06-2004, 11:14 PM
Before today, the head to head of Koubek and Ferrero was 3-1, but it could well have been 2 all had Koubek converted one of those match points at Wimbledon.

I dont' think that this loss is that horrible, considering that it's obvious Ferrero has struggled with Koubek in the past, in two of their matches... now three.

2004 Wimbledon, Grass, R64
England Grass R64 Ferrero 4 6 7 5 5 7 7 6 8 6

2002 Hong Kong, Hard, R32
China Hard R32 Ferrero 6 2 6 4

2002 Toronto TMS, Hard, R32
Toronto, Canada Hard R32 Koubek 5 7 3 6

2001 Roland Garros, Clay, R128
France Clay R128 Ferrero 6 2 6 2 6 3

Chloe le Bopper
07-06-2004, 11:15 PM
I was at the Canada match, btw. Koubek was consistent and Ferrero would get pissed off and finally miss when his "winners" kept coming back at him ;)

J. Corwin
07-07-2004, 12:24 AM
I think his game has adapted more to hardcourts now, as opposed to clay. Sometimes that happens. It may be frustrating to see your opponent return so many balls when your confidence is already low.

Havok
07-07-2004, 12:52 AM
sheesh Ferrero, pick it up please :speakles:

*SKYE*
07-07-2004, 01:07 AM
geez.... i rekon

trixy
07-07-2004, 01:54 AM
Ugh this yr is looking a disaster for Ferrero. Just hope he can come back strong and healthy in 2005.

tennischick
07-07-2004, 02:08 AM
a loss to Koubek with that scoreline is not a trouncing. if he had lost 1-6 0-6 i would find it to be more significant. Koubek is a very fit player.

Ferrero Forever
07-07-2004, 07:26 AM
anyway, we all know that ferrero would kill koubek anyday if he was in top form