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Message to fans of both Federer and Roddick

JJTennisMan
07-05-2004, 07:54 PM
Even though Roddick had lost his match to Federer, I'm still satisfied with the match. After all my messages that said that I thought Roddick would win, the fact is that I only wanted Roddick to win, and the first step to winning is believing, so I was only try to believe that he would win. I wouldn't have put my money on it, it is just a way for me to believe that he will win.

To all Federer fans: I'm sorry for what you may consider my "outragous" posts about the match, especially Fedex. There should be no reason that we should have to dislike each other just because we like different tennis players. Congratulations on your player's win and another Wimbledon title, I tip my hat off to you all! Federer is an excellant player, and I'll look forward to watching other matches that feature your world's #1 player (Not just Roddick vs. Federer matches).

To all Roddick fans: You should also be satisfied with the match. At least he won a set off the world's #1 player and he had some opportunities to win the match. Let's forget about the rain delays (or at least try not to blame it on them because both players have to go through the rain delays). Roddick was up a break, 4-2 in the 3rd set, Federer's serve. After Federer made it 4-3, Roddick had a chance to hold serve and his break, however he got broken, which of course forced the tiebreak, which he lost (A chance he could have taken advantage of.) Also, Andy was on serve in the 2nd set, serving to force a tiebreak. However, he couldn't take advantage of it, and got broken, giving Federer the set. I personally think (I don't know about you) that this was the turning point of the match because Roddick was up 1-0 in sets. Had he forced and won the tiebreak, he would've been up 2-0 in sets, and that would've made it very hard for Federer to come back. However instead it was 1-1, and then from the point when Federer broke Roddick in the 3rd set, he continued to roll and made it difficult for Andy to break Federer.
Because he had quite a few chances to win the match, I think that Roddick now has confidence that he can beat Federer in the future, since he won a set, and as mentioned above, had some chances to win the match that he couldn't take advantage of. So let's hope he can win some matches in the future against Federer to create a "rivalry" and not just calling the two of the "nemesises". Maybe next year Roddick will win Wimbledon. Hey, he still has his U.S. Open title to defend, remember?

Well, it was an exciting match to watch for a while, and I hope both fans are satisfied with the result. These are two exciting players to watch in the coming years.

~J.J.

P.S. I hope people look at this post so that they can see how much courage I have to admit that I made a mistake, and do the same. The solution is to not post "insane" posts.

J. Corwin
07-05-2004, 08:30 PM
:)

Gonzo Hates Me!
07-05-2004, 08:33 PM
I dont know what you said, that you have to 'apologize' for, but I am never paying attention to what's going on around here--I am sure it is very melodramatic anyway

whatever, it is a pity if you type all that and nobody can respond--so cheers for a public apology, that does take putting aside pride, but it's just the internet though, who cares, loL!

and yes, faith is good! I believed Andy could have won, and he really could have. I hate to see people blame things on rain delays and whatnot myself--Andy's slipping away was his own folly, oh well-- to the future

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-05-2004, 08:35 PM
That was good post, but I am not sure about your chances of less "insane" posts, there are some right headcases here.

gillian
07-05-2004, 10:39 PM
I'm not sure which post you're apologizing for, but kudos for your nice comments (re: both players & their fans). I like both Roddick & Federer (though I'm probably more partial to Federer's game). I very much enjoyed Sunday's final. High quality tennis from both players and very suspenseful. This is what all Grand Slam finals should be like. Hope to see Roddick & Federer battle many more times.

Tennis Fool
07-05-2004, 11:07 PM
I scanned your posts and you really don't have to apologize for being a cheerleader for Roddick. There was nothing obnoxious of what you posted.

JJTennisMan
07-05-2004, 11:31 PM
Ok, I was just trying to be fair to Federer fans that thought I was making fun of Federer when I said something in my 1st post.

B.T.W.: Other players that I support (Not in any particular order):
Pete Sampras (Obviously before he retired, and I still wish him the best of luck now)
Andy Roddick (As you know...)
James Blake
Mardy Fish
Robby Ginepri
Vince Spadea
Andre Agassi (Now that Sampras isn't playing...)
Tim Henman
Mark Philippoussis
Lleyton Hewitt
David Nalbandian

In matches against two top players, I usually support the underdog or lower ranked player. Exceptions are if higher ranked player is any of the above.
I probably forgot to list other players, but those are the ones that I remember

WTA Players I Support:
Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Maria Sharapova (Now I do! Congrats on your 1st grand slam title!)
Jennifer Capriati
Lindsay Davenport

Ballbuster
07-05-2004, 11:50 PM
hmmm, almost all americans---jim mac's son

JJTennisMan
07-06-2004, 12:00 AM
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody? Most other players I just don't care about unless I find out that they're really good. Gustavo Kuerten beat Federer, so he must be good, although I really haven't seen him play. (I never heard of him before the French Open.) I would like to see Tim Henman win at least 1 GS. Mark Philippoussis also has a good serve. You have to see my reasoning.

~J.J.

star
07-06-2004, 12:08 AM
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody? Most other players I just don't care about unless I find out that they're really good. Gustavo Kuerten beat Federer, so he must be good, although I really haven't seen him play. (I never heard of him before the French Open.) I would like to see Tim Henman win at least 1 GS. Mark Philippoussis also has a good serve. You have to see my reasoning.

~J.J.

You must be a fairly new tennis fan then if you hadn't heard of Gustavo Kuerten prior to this year's French Open. :)

And yes is is a good tennis player. He won Roland Garros three times and he finished as the year end number one for one year when he beat Sampras, Agassi and Safin at the year end Masters Cup in Lisbon.

So, I hope you stick around and become a life long fan. There are a lot of "really good" tennis players. Some of them win slams and some don't. :)

Ballbuster
07-06-2004, 12:32 AM
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody? .
--no. I could care less where a player is from. I only fancy Blake and Davenport from your list. and btw, since you're new here, there's a lot of Andy haters on the forum.
But the fans of Andy really consist of just A) horny girls that are in love with him, and B) americans who just cheer for him cause he's American.

You fit into the latter, i hope

star
07-06-2004, 12:39 AM
But the fans of Andy really consist of just A) horny girls that are in love with him, and B) americans who just cheer for him cause he's American.



How wrong you are.

I'm a) an American and b)an Andy fan.
However, I am not:
a. a horny girl,
b. in love with him, or
c. just cheering for him because he's an American.

Normally, I don't cheer for Americans unless they are South American. :)

My last favorite Americans were Courier and Seles (although she wasn't American when I started cheering for her.)

But cheers for another gratuitously insulting post. :)

Ballbuster
07-06-2004, 12:46 AM
hehe, i know i was gonna get ripped apart for that. But at least 90% of his fans fall into one of those two categories

star
07-06-2004, 01:43 AM
Is that a scientific figure?

I don't think so.

I think that is a figure based on your ideas about Andy and Andy's fans, and not based on any real data.

Ballbuster
07-06-2004, 01:50 AM
Is that a scientific figure?

I don't think so.

I think that is a figure based on your ideas about Andy and Andy's fans, and not based on any real data.

Actually yes, I'm minoring in statistics and decided to do my project on the types of Andy's fans using a Poisson distribution.

ok no of course its not scientific, but I have seen the Andy fans at tournaments(clay courts, masters, wimbledon) and his fans are mostly type A)s with a few type B)s in there as well

star
07-06-2004, 01:53 AM
Maybe you just look at the obvious fans and don't see the others. :)

star
07-06-2004, 01:55 AM
Besides that, if you saw me cheering for Andy at a tournament, how in the world would you know what nationality players I cheered for. ...... obviously you would know I wasn't a teenager, so we can eliminate that category right now.

Ballbuster
07-06-2004, 02:02 AM
Well, it's a little obvious when they only cheer points that Agassi wins in the first match and then only cheer points for Roddick in the next one.

Anyways, if this bothers you so much just go to Indianapolis and start polling all of his fans

star
07-06-2004, 02:09 AM
You seem to be the one it bothers. :)

I personally know that Andy has fans who are from other countries and who are male. I think I probably know more about Andy's fans than do you.

The only thing I am bothered about is your rather flippant stereotyping with little to go on.

Just because someone cheers for both Agassi and Andy doesn't mean they cheer for all Americans and doesn't mean they don't cheer for some non-Americans as well.

I wonder if you only sneer at Americans who cheer for fellow Americans or if you have the same distain for Germans who cheer for all Germans etc.

papasmurf11
07-06-2004, 02:21 AM
That kid has problems dont pay attention to what he says.Just read his other post and you can tell.

Gonzo Hates Me!
07-06-2004, 04:45 AM
:fiery: BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! :fiery:

I think we ALL know where it occurred in this thread ;)



...but there is nothing wrong with being new to the sport--in life, we always find ourselves in a fresh phase where we are considered "new", so, it's okay ;)

JJTennisMan
07-06-2004, 07:57 AM
--no. I could care less where a player is from. I only fancy Blake and Davenport from your list. and btw, since you're new here, there's a lot of Andy haters on the forum.
But the fans of Andy really consist of just A) horny girls that are in love with him, and B) americans who just cheer for him cause he's American.

You fit into the latter, i hope

What about Davis Cup matches?

RonE
07-06-2004, 12:01 PM
:fiery: BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! :fiery:

I think we ALL know where it occurred in this thread ;)



...but there is nothing wrong with being new to the sport--in life, we always find ourselves in a fresh phase where we are considered "new", so, it's okay ;)

Don't be so harsh on the kid- when I first started taking an interest in tennis on a bright summer day many many years ago, I was talking with some people who were discussing Jimmy Connors. I made the fatal mistake of asking the forbidden question "who is Jimmy Connors?". I nearly got skewerd alive for that ;)

FrenchLouise
07-06-2004, 12:29 PM
I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody? Most other players I just don't care about unless I find out that they're really good. Gustavo Kuerten beat Federer, so he must be good, although I really haven't seen him play. (I never heard of him before the French Open.)
~J.J.
Never heard of Guga before the French Open in 07 you mean ;) ?
My favourite players are not French (does anyone know how I can remove this flag from my profile?) In fact they're all South American (well I only truly support a couple of players). A mixture of charisma, back-hands and clay-court game I guess :silly:
Of course if some French players are up against players I don't especially care for/ am indifferent to I will support them, like Mutis playing Roddick or during the Davis Cup etc... Different than in football where I support the French (and Argentina when the French are beaten...)

spikeys_girl
07-06-2004, 06:44 PM
--no. I could care less where a player is from. I only fancy Blake and Davenport from your list. and btw, since you're new here, there's a lot of Andy haters on the forum.
But the fans of Andy really consist of just A) horny girls that are in love with him, and B) americans who just cheer for him cause he's American.



YOU ARE SO WRONG. im a fan of Andy's, and A) i rly dnt give a shit wat he looks like. and B) im sure not american.
andy is a great player. most ppl dont really care about what these players look like. they look at their game. and andys game is great.

spikeys_girl
07-06-2004, 06:50 PM
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody? Most other players I just don't care about unless I find out that they're really good. Gustavo Kuerten beat Federer, so he must be good, although I really haven't seen him play. (I never heard of him before the French Open.) I would like to see Tim Henman win at least 1 GS. Mark Philippoussis also has a good serve. You have to see my reasoning.

~J.J.

of course sometimes u like players from ur country.. but if they really suck, most chances are that eventhough they are from ur country - u wont support them! if andy for example, was a really bad player - would u support him?
I, for example, really like Andy Ram in doubles. He's Israeli, but i dont support him because of that. i support him coz hes an awesome tennis player, that's all.

vene
07-06-2004, 08:30 PM
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody?
~J.J.
No, I am American, but I do not cheer for players based on nationality. America is the land of non-discrimination based on race, color,sex or nationality. I cheer for good players.
I did not notice any offensive posts.

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-06-2004, 08:41 PM
No, I am American, but I do not cheer for players based on nationality. America is the land of non-discrimination based on race, color,sex or nationality. I cheer for good players.
I did not notice any offensive posts.

That second sentence is very idealistic and not altogether true, back to the point JJT, nothing wrong with pride in where you are from, the problem is when it becomes jingoistic that is just not cool.

vene
07-06-2004, 08:58 PM
That second sentence is very idealistic and not altogether true,
It is true for me. Anyway tennis is a global, international sport, not a war between 2 countries.

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-06-2004, 09:02 PM
It is true for me. Anyway tennis is a global, international sport, not a war between 2 countries.

Your original comment that I commented on, had nothing to do with tennis at all. No such place as utopia, but there are still places where certain faces aren't always welcome, though this has changed for the better.

I could never cheer someone just for their nationality.

jmp
07-06-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by JJTennisMan
True. I like my country's players, but doesn't everybody?
~J.J.

:wavey: Welcome to the sport, JJTennisMan!

When I first started watching tennis, I was really attracted to its international flavor and that's one of aspects of the sport I like today. I don't like all of my country's players. But, I do pull for a lot of them to get better.

I wish you could have seen Gustavo (Guga) before his hip surgery. He was poetry on clay and was making big inroads on hard courts. One of my favorite all time matches was his come back, five set victory over Max in a USO '01(?) night match. It was awesome!

In this sport you'll see a princess battle against a jockette. You'll see brute force against deft touch. You'll see speed being stifled by killer shot making. It's all beautiful, constantly evolving, and some how still the same. I love this game! I hope you become another rabid fan, too.

I like so many players from so many countries, I probably couldn't make a list like yours. I definitely have a favorite of the current crop, though. GO MARAT! :) But, I really, really like Dahveed Nalbandian, too. With so many Americans on your list, what made David stand out to you?

tangerine_dream
07-06-2004, 10:21 PM
You seem to be the one it bothers. :)

I personally know that Andy has fans who are from other countries and who are male. I think I probably know more about Andy's fans than do you.

The only thing I am bothered about is your rather flippant stereotyping with little to go on.

Just because someone cheers for both Agassi and Andy doesn't mean they cheer for all Americans and doesn't mean they don't cheer for some non-Americans as well.

I wonder if you only sneer at Americans who cheer for fellow Americans or if you have the same distain for Germans who cheer for all Germans etc.

Judging from his lack of response (intelligent or otherwise), my guess is you hit the nail on the head with this one.

vene
07-06-2004, 10:25 PM
Your original comment that I commented on, had nothing to do with tennis at all. No such place as utopia, but there are still places where certain faces aren't always welcome, though this has changed for the better.

I could never cheer someone just for their nationality.

I am sorry if I was unclear-my original comment referred to tennis.

sigmagirl91
07-06-2004, 10:32 PM
I like so many players from so many countries, I probably couldn't make a list like yours. I definitely have a favorite of the current crop, though. GO MARAT! :) But, I really, really like Dahveed Nalbandian, too. With so many Americans on your list, what made David stand out to you?


She and the other members of Duck Nation love how it rolls off the tongue. They throw contests to see who can say it the fastest and the best. :o

sigmagirl91
07-06-2004, 10:34 PM
No, I am American, but I do not cheer for players based on nationality. America is the land of non-discrimination based on race, color,sex or nationality. I cheer for good players.
I did not notice any offensive posts.

You may want to post this on the Roddick thread for certain individuals who are clueless on this fine point.

tennischick
07-06-2004, 10:47 PM
i really believe that if Duckboy had been working with a better coach over the past year, he WOULD have spanked Roger in the Wimby finals. the potential is there. he just hasn't found the right person to harness it. (and what i just said is the gist of an article i just wrote about him in case y'all think i'm being sarcastic).