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The real question, now that Fed won, is:

pinky
07-04-2004, 05:57 PM
Is there a chance someone else than Fed will be year end no1?

Roddick would be basically the only "real" contender to me, but he has an awful lot of points to defend in the next monthes.

Anyway, who do you think will be year end no 1?
(i put the top 6 race guys on the list)

RonE
07-04-2004, 06:00 PM
Fed and Andy aside, I think Hewitt might be a contender depending on his performances during the American hard court swing and especially the US Open.
Nalbandian could to it- he's closer in terms of points but I just don't think he is mentally strong enough to win in NY.
Coria also perhaps, but again his clay court game I don't think is good enough to see him all the way to a USO title (maybe as far as the semis).

But this win puts Fed in a real good position to do it, considering all the titles he's won already in addition to 2 slams.

Havok
07-04-2004, 06:02 PM
No brainer, FEderer will end the year #1. The only other 'contender' is Rodick but he's gonna have to do a repeat of the hardcourt 03 season and have roger lose early all the time for him to have a shot. everyone else is just too far (Coria is close, but he isn't so great on hardcourts)

jenglisbe
07-04-2004, 06:04 PM
Barring injury, Federer will end the year #1. He is way out in front in the Race standings.

I just hope someone else can win the U.S. Open. The only people who don't mind seeing someone (in this case Federer) dominate are die-hard fans of that player. It will be better for men's tennis if people like Roddick, Hewitt, and Ferrero can win majors alongside Roger.

pinky
07-04-2004, 06:05 PM
PS: Here is the actual race list... a Slam win is 200 pts, a MS win is 100, any other win is around 30-50. TMS is max 160 pts.

That being said, Hewitt and Nalby really seem too far away... (unless there is an injury, which i hope not :P ).

1st Federer, R. 746

2nd Coria, G. 479

3rd Roddick, A. 454

4th Moya, C. 414

5th Henman, T. 319

6th Hewitt, L. 316

7th Gaudio, G. 285

8th Safin, M. 283

9th Nalbandian, D. 252

10th Grosjean, S. 235

jenglisbe
07-04-2004, 06:07 PM
Pinky - thanks for that. If Roddick were to win the U.S. Open and Roger lose in the 1st round, Roger would still be #1. There are obviously a lot of tournaments left this year, but Andy will really have to dominate to even threaten for #1.

Hingie
07-04-2004, 06:07 PM
Anyone besides Roger ending the year number 1 would be undeserved, imo. You win two slams and a bunch of other titles, you should be number 1. He already has 6 titles and two slams. Unless Gaston Gaudio wins the U.S Open, Federer should be end the year number 1.

Auscon
07-04-2004, 06:08 PM
I hope Lleyton can really bring it home for the rest of the season...he's had a great year so far, so I'd put him as a chance for the us open

but still, I dont think that anyone will come close to knocking Roger off the #1 spot

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 06:10 PM
Safin is going to leapfrog to first place :lol:

Havok
07-04-2004, 06:11 PM
If you end the year #1 its never undesearving. mind you lets say the year end #1 didn't win a slam, then thats a little weird.

JennyS
07-04-2004, 06:13 PM
It would be hard for Andy to pass Roger because he has a ton of points to defend in the summer, while Roger has a lot less. Roger had more points to defend in the fall, so I think Andy will have to win the US Open, the Masters Cup and at least two Masters Series events to get to #1.

Vincent
07-04-2004, 06:18 PM
Roger and Andy are great! :hearts:
I hope they are the year end #1 and #2 players .

jtipson
07-04-2004, 06:42 PM
PS: Here is the actual race list... a Slam win is 200 pts, a MS win is 100, any other win is around 30-50. TMS is max 160 pts.
...
1st Federer, R. 686



That's now 746 for Federer of course...

Frooty_Bazooty
07-04-2004, 07:42 PM
if Roddick does what he did last year (the 2 MS's and the US Open as well as one other smaller tournament) then he might be in with a shot but I cant see anyone but Federer gettin it

WF4EVER
07-04-2004, 07:48 PM
I must be confused; I thought the points noted aboved were just for the YEC, where you can only gain throughout the year till the Masters. Doesn't the defense of points come into play only where the entry rankings are concerned, where Federer also leads with 6000+ points. Help me out somebody because I thought the entry rankings were what determined the year-end No. 1 and not the Race Leader.

pinky
07-04-2004, 09:34 PM
That's now 746 for Federer of course...

Forgot these were the point before the final, thanks jtipson, i edited the table :)
The lead is quite more impressive even...

pinky
07-04-2004, 09:42 PM
I must be confused; I thought the points noted aboved were just for the YEC, where you can only gain throughout the year till the Masters. Doesn't the defense of points come into play only where the entry rankings are concerned, where Federer also leads with 6000+ points. Help me out somebody because I thought the entry rankings were what determined the year-end No. 1 and not the Race Leader.

Well, basically, at the end of the year, both race and entry ranking systems give the same result, since the entry ranking system is based on exactly the last 12 monthes of competition.
So basically, the race no.1 is also the entry ranking no.1 at the end of the year and is declared "world champion" year end no.1...

Now i posted the race table, since it is easier to see what kind of margin people have other others. Of course there is no point defense considered there.

If you look at the entry ranking on the other hand, you will see that Roddick is much closer to Roger than in the race ranking. It should be something like:
Roger: 5610
Andy: 4945
But in this case, it takes the last 12 monthes of competition into play and it means Roddick has to defend his 2 MS title plus the US open title points, which is a lot, while Federer mainly "only" has his TMS title points to defend... (in reality there are of course some other points here and there).

LCeh
07-04-2004, 09:47 PM
I think the real question, now that Fed won, is:




Who voted for Hewitt? :lol:

On a more serious note, I think Roger is gonna end as year-end no. 1, but it's not impossible that Andy ends as #1. Roger is about 300 points in front of Andy, which means Andy needs 1 Grand slam and a TMS to tie it. I don't think it's impossible for Andy to win 1 of each. HOWEVER, if Roger wins ONE MORE TMS, I think he would be out of reach.

pinky
07-04-2004, 10:34 PM
On a more serious note, I think Roger is gonna end as year-end no. 1, but it's not impossible that Andy ends as #1. Roger is about 300 points in front of Andy, which means Andy needs 1 Grand slam and a TMS to tie it. I don't think it's impossible for Andy to win 1 of each. HOWEVER, if Roger wins ONE MORE TMS, I think he would be out of reach.

Don't forget It would also mean Roger do very bad in that MS and in the US open.
Also the TMC will count in it and there is 160 point to make there. So yes, Andy still got a chance, a very thin one but he got one.

nitsansh
07-04-2004, 11:24 PM
Don't forget that there is also Olympics this year, which awards the winner 80 race points, almost the same as TMS.
There is still 1 Grand Slam, MC, 4 MS, Olympics... not to mention the smaller tournaments... these 7 major tournaments alone worth 830 pts...
I would say that in order to have a shot at #1, Roddick will have to do better than last year... that is US Open and at least 3 other big tournaments...
Mind you... last year Federer didn't win any big tournament beside Wimby and MC... this time he has allready won 2 MS and 3 other tournaments beside Wimby...

Shy
07-05-2004, 12:29 AM
Roger will have to defend a lots of points next year.

YoursTruly
07-05-2004, 02:22 AM
I hope that Roger sustains his no.1 ranking and keep it really solidly. It's true Andy is the only true contender right now, but I've always felt that there's this huge gap between Roger and Andy in talent, level and style. Fed rocks!

chris whiteside
07-05-2004, 07:54 AM
I must be confused; I thought the points noted aboved were just for the YEC, where you can only gain throughout the year till the Masters. Doesn't the defense of points come into play only where the entry rankings are concerned, where Federer also leads with 6000+ points. Help me out somebody because I thought the entry rankings were what determined the year-end No. 1 and not the Race Leader.


I agree with your premise. It is the entry rankings which are used to determine the year-end number one although by year end the order is practically the same as the Masters race.

With Federer being so far ahead already on the entry list and Roddick having to defend his points from the US Open it the chances of anyone other than
Roger finishing the year as No.1 are pretty slim unless he took a real bummer and lost in the first round of every other tournament he entered.

RogiFan88
07-05-2004, 01:32 PM
depends on how well Pandy defends all his hardcourt pts, starting w Indy

Coria, no! he also has a lot of pts to defend in the clay season this summer and he didn't win RG, so... plus he's fragile

Hewitt, only if he wins the USO and a few TMSes... nah!

RogiFan88
07-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Rogi has Finalist Gstaad, SF Toronto and Madrid SF to defend but not much else -- also Vienna F but he's not playing that tourney -- just as well, he doesn't need it anyway now.

CarnivalCarnage
07-05-2004, 01:37 PM
Good thing the ATP switched to the Race system to simplify things for the fans.

Unless Gaudio wins the USO, Roger would be the most deserving player. He'll probably do it barring injury.

Corey Feldman
07-05-2004, 03:28 PM
i wonder who voted Henman :lol: