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Andy: Back to the gym

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 05:36 PM
You could see that Andy was getting worn out by the end of the fourth set, playing really physically while Roger looked like he had yet to break a sweat.

They say Andy lost 10 pounds this year, and I'm wondering what going to the gym would do anything more for him?

What do you guys think?

Havok
07-04-2004, 05:40 PM
It wasn't his fitness level that made him "tired" during the end, playing Federer takes A LOT out of you mentally, especially when you're winning and keeping the score close. Andy's prob one of the most fittest players there is, when was the last time he retired from a match:scratch: (he retired vs fish in 03 but that was because he rolled his ankle, not because he was infit and had cramps or something). and also, Andy's game takes more out of him than Roger's its just plain easy to see.

BaselineSmash
07-04-2004, 05:42 PM
Fitness certainly seemed to play a part in the contest; Roddick's level of intensity was markedly lower in the 2nd,3rd and 4th sets. It's especially surprising given the surface, his relatively easy route to the final and because his fitness level was sufficient for him to bag two TMSs back-to-back and the US Open last year. But here he just couldn't cut it when it most mattered, but a big part of that was also mental.

Freddi22cl
07-04-2004, 05:42 PM
You could see that Andy was getting worn out by the end of the fourth set, playing really physically while Roger looked like he had yet to break a sweat.

They say Andy lost 10 pounds this year, and I'm what going to the gym would do anything more for him?

What do you guys think?

Agredd, he was panting out there, especailly AFTER the sixth game of the 4th set--he promtly lost his serve the next game. Yep, and Fed didn't break a sweat. Andy is used to short matches and points. But dont ask Naldo, he/she has pictures of Andy in her closet and bedroom......

Havok
07-04-2004, 05:45 PM
Agredd, he was panting out there, especailly AFTER the sixth game of the 4th set--he promtly lost his serve the next game. Yep, and Fed didn't break a sweat. Andy is used to short matches and points. But dont ask Naldo, he/she has pictures of Andy in her closet and bedroom......
:retard: yes i have andy plastered all over my wall :retard:

anyways I still thinkg it was more of a mental letdown that affected his game towards the end than fitness level.

TennisLurker
07-04-2004, 05:48 PM
I agree with Naldo.

TennisLurker
07-04-2004, 05:50 PM
I dont think Andy is one of the fittest players out there, but, I do think his fitness was not related to the outcome of the match.
I think it was a mental letdown, as Naldo said.

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 05:51 PM
It wasn't his fitness level that made him "tired" during the end, playing Federer takes A LOT out of you mentally, especially when you're winning and keeping the score close. Andy's prob one of the most fittest players there is, when was the last time he retired from a match:scratch: (he retired vs fish in 03 but that was because he rolled his ankle, not because he was infit and had cramps or something). and also, Andy's game takes more out of him than Roger's its just plain easy to see.
Yes, I know he's one of the top fit guys. I'm just wondering when he says "I need to go back to the gym", how that will help?

Havok
07-04-2004, 05:51 PM
well i was kinda making a co-relation to andy having so few retirement losses and such. ok maybe he's not one of the fittest out there, but he isn't a Dent out there :scared:

Ace Tracker
07-04-2004, 05:51 PM
how long until Brad brings on Gil Reyes to Andy's camp (after Agassi retires, of course ;) )?

Havok
07-04-2004, 05:52 PM
it's kinda like a metaphor, he didn't really mean go back to the gym and lift weights and such, going "back to the gym" means going back to improve your game so you will be better prepared .

WyveN
07-04-2004, 05:58 PM
Andy gave it all he had in the first set so it is no surprise that for the remainder of the match he wouldnt be able to keep up the monster serving/ blazing winners.

How could fitness come into it? It was a 4 set match and they had 2 rain breaks!

RonE
07-04-2004, 06:05 PM
In terms of tiredness when Fed was down a break in the 3rd before the last rain delay, I actually thought he was the more tired of the two (mentally that is). I think that rain break really helped him to regroup and he came out charging after that to break Roddick right back.

I'm just thinking- if it wasn't for that rain delay in the 3rd set, the outcome may have been quite different.

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 06:06 PM
He came out like the way Lindsay came out in the SFs against Sharapova. Unfortunately, its very hard to keep the level, I guess.

Havok
07-04-2004, 06:08 PM
ack, he came back better than Lindsay did in that final set. Lindsay totally lost all her power and weight in her shots when there was that rain delay in the 2nd set.

Vass
07-04-2004, 06:11 PM
I don't think he's the fittest, but he's there. Federer is more fit. But perhaps it's mainly mental?

merle
07-04-2004, 06:41 PM
I agree with Naldo that it was more a mental thing! It's mentally tough to keep such an amazing level with Fed! But you can hardly call it a meltdown with this scoreline! I think Andy has got fitter and looks just great fitness-wise at the moment!

spritzer
07-04-2004, 07:16 PM
Andy has no mental versatility. Like his fellow compatriots, he thinks that if he blasts everybody off court he will win. Time for him to deflate that "pseudo superior" brain of his and play with savvy.

J. Corwin
07-04-2004, 08:17 PM
Andy can improve by losing a little bit more weight and working in the conditioning department. But the main reason he lost today, as have been said, is mental. It is psychologically devastating when you can't convert a lead against Federer. :o

merle
07-04-2004, 09:12 PM
Well, do you really think he should lose some more weight? He has lost some already and I think he might lose his power then?

jmp
07-04-2004, 09:31 PM
I think Naldo had it right. "Going back to the gym" is a metaphor. Andy meant that he needs to continue to examine every aspect of his game AND Roger's until he finds the combination that defeats him. For example, after he came out so hot and stunned Roger, he needed a Plan B that kept pressure on Roger while maintaining a high enough level on his part to close the deal. That's no easy task because, as others have already stated, the mental focus required is exhausting. Andy looked really fit and fast throughout the match to me.

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 09:43 PM
"We do play different types of game. I mean, he's more flash, feel, artistry. The one advantage I have over him is just hitting the crap out of the ball. That's pretty much what I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to try to play to my strengths."

--Andy Roddick on his approach to facing the final.


JMP: Back to the chalkboard would be more apt.

rue
07-04-2004, 10:43 PM
Andy did look tired both physically and mentally but he really tried his best but just came up short.

jmp
07-04-2004, 10:47 PM
Tennis Fool, yes, your phrase is more apt. We should be spokespeople for professional tennis players. I can see it now...

Q: What can Andy do to beat Roger? He seemed to throw everything at him today.

JMP: Well, Mr. Roddick will be going back to the chalkboard, putting his nose to the grindstone, and winning one for The Gipper. There'll be no stone unturned, no task too great, no pain, no gain. He'll only play one match at a time, one point at a time. Three sets and off the court. He'll never look ahead in the draw.

Q: What's Andy's personal life like?

JMP: Well, a gentleman doesn't kiss and tell. But, Andy is seeing a very nice young lady at the moment. His favorite color is green. He likes long walks on the beach in the moonlight. His turn ons are fast cars and table tennis. Rainy days and Mondays always get him down. :cool: ;)

Tennis Fool
07-04-2004, 10:55 PM
Right now I'm working on the 10 Commandments According to Federer...You know, I got the calling...

jmp
07-04-2004, 11:03 PM
:lol: A must read.

Lisbeth
07-05-2004, 01:29 AM
Basically I think ALL the top 10 or so guys are fit, motivated, talented, intelligent (at least in a tennis sense ;) ) and so on and so forth, so I'm certainly not suggesting Roddick is unfit, lazy or anything of the sort. But if Roddick wants an area in which he can improve relative to the other top guys then it's fitness and stamina. Maybe he needs to spend a bit more time on aerobic fitness issues rather than jiuts building up his serving muscles. It is hard for a bigger guy to be as fit as a smaller, lighter one but basically if he ever wants to beat Federer when it counts he can't be huffing about the court by the 4th set, because Federer will still be cool as a cucumber. Having said that, I think playing Federer would exhaust most people, so Roddick's hardly alone.

nate_my_love
07-05-2004, 06:50 AM
Anyway...i think Andy is much better in bed than Roger Federer :O)

Chrisie
07-05-2004, 07:28 AM
I think it's because missing 6 or 7 bps really breaks his heart. He can keep going physically but not mentally.