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Juju Henin or Rafa Nadal?

nolop
04-27-2008, 06:41 PM
Who is better at RG?

Juju 4 titles, 3 consecutively and Rafa 3 titles consecutively.
Rafa is 4 years younger than Juju.
Juju has not lost a set since her '05 quarterfinal.

Rafa tournament record history is 21-0, Juju's 38-4.

***** Do not compare ATP players' game with WTA's, please. *****

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 06:42 PM
Not even close, the man from Mallorca.

Lleyton_
04-27-2008, 06:50 PM
4>3

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 06:52 PM
WTA is rubbish.

jazar
04-27-2008, 06:54 PM
WTA is rubbish.

true, but henin is the most talented female player

platinum
04-27-2008, 06:55 PM
Rafa beat Roger "possible GOAT" Federer to win his 3 FOs.... Rafa is better...

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 06:56 PM
true, but henin is the most talented female player

Henin faces moronic ballbashers, the clay just shows it even more.

nolop
04-27-2008, 07:04 PM
WTA is rubbish.

That is not the point.

Jelena
04-27-2008, 07:12 PM
Rafa always needs to win 3 sets to win a match in RG, so it's Rafa by far.

Btw, if you don't want to compare wta and atp, why do you come up with a comparison between a wta and an atp player? :scratch:

nolop
04-27-2008, 07:14 PM
Rafa always needs to win 3 sets to win a match in RG, so it's Rafa by far.

Btw, if you don't want to compare wta and atp, why do you come up with a comparison between a wta and an atp player? :scratch:

I said players' game not accomplishments.

Jelena
04-27-2008, 07:34 PM
Juju 80-12 sets in 8 tournaments in RG
Rafa 62-8 sets in 4 tournaments in RG (one match against Nole was finished after 2nd set, Nole retired)

As I said Rafa needs to win 3 sets in every match to win, so Rafa is better....

nolop
04-27-2008, 07:38 PM
Juju 80-12 sets in 8 tournaments in RG
Rafa 62-8 sets in 4 tournaments in RG (one match against Nole was finished after 2nd set, Nole retired)

As I said Rafa needs to win 3 sets in every match to win, so Rafa is better....

Weird logic. But ok.

MisterQ
04-27-2008, 08:25 PM
It's impossible for Nadal's record to be any better -- he has never lost at RG. He has never been pushed to a fifth set; in fact, he has never lost more than three sets in the course of the two weeks. On top of that, he has defeated the greatest player of his generation en route every single time.

dijus
04-27-2008, 08:28 PM
Rafa without a doubt

Lleyton_
04-27-2008, 08:34 PM
true, but henin is the most talented female player

Utter bullshit. She is not even the greatest of her era. You guys here think anyone who hits the ball hard is a ballbasher. That makes Henin a ballbasher too :rolleyes: Insecure sexists :D

groundstroke
04-27-2008, 09:16 PM
Comparing men with women in tennis. :lol:

Acer
04-27-2008, 09:20 PM
Give me Justine ANY DAY.

cheese101
04-27-2008, 09:26 PM
Henin, 4 titles is better than 3

Tutu
04-27-2008, 09:29 PM
4>3

Although I have to say. At least Rafa has played fairly and cordially each time and hasn't lied or fabricated his way to the title (if you get what I mean)

General Suburbia
04-27-2008, 09:50 PM
true, but henin is the most talented female player
"Most talented" doesn't mean much when the rest of the field has none. Especially on clay - you think the men's tour doesn't have enough clay court specialists? The WTA in that aspect is the joke of jokes. When a Williams power plays her way to a RG title, you know something is wrong.

groundstroke
04-27-2008, 10:15 PM
"Most talented" doesn't mean much when the rest of the field has none. Especially on clay - you think the men's tour doesn't have enough clay court specialists? The WTA in that aspect is the joke of jokes. When a Williams power plays her way to a RG title, you know something is wrong.
WTA :lol:

Toko
04-27-2008, 10:45 PM
To decide, Nadal should play Henin.

To make it fair, Henin gets 2 sets, 5-0 lead.

Lleyton_
04-27-2008, 10:50 PM
"Most talented" doesn't mean much when the rest of the field has none. Especially on clay - you think the men's tour doesn't have enough clay court specialists? The WTA in that aspect is the joke of jokes. When a Williams power plays her way to a RG title, you know something is wrong.

Yeah something is wrong with your brain. That 'a Williams' held all four major titles simultaneously. Give credit where it's due. You can't just power play your way to a RG title beating the last two champions on the way. :rolleyes: 'The talentless ball basher' smashed 'the most talented' no.1 6-2 6-0 two weeks ago. Oh nevermind. This forum is full of insecure misogynists and their cubs who are forced to disrespect WTA and women in general. Keep up the good work kids :D

~*BGT*~
04-27-2008, 10:57 PM
When you say better, you mean, who has had better performances? I can't really think of any of Henin's matches that can be considered battles or at least high quality tough matches. Again, you have to consider the quality of the opponents in the finals. Rafa has had Federer twice and a juicer who had been on a relative rampage. Who has Justine had? A scared Ivanovic in her first GS final, a subpar Mary Pierce, and a finals choker Kuznetsova. Hard to compare as I like both players very much and both have games suited to clay.

cherry2008
04-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Rafa, definetely.

General Suburbia
04-28-2008, 12:20 AM
Yeah something is wrong with your brain. That 'a Williams' held all four major titles simultaneously. Give credit where it's due. You can't just power play your way to a RG title beating the last two champions on the way. :rolleyes: 'The talentless ball basher' smashed 'the most talented' no.1 6-2 6-0 two weeks ago

on hard court, where bashing is permissible (which in itself has its ups and downs). My attack was wasn't as focused on a Williams sister as it was on the state of women's tennis in general.
This forum is full of insecure misogynists and their cubs who are forced to disrespect WTA and women in general. Keep up the good work kids :D
Uh huh.

Boarder35m
04-28-2008, 03:07 AM
I guess comparing a male with a female player does not really make sense as they are not playing the same competition.

On one hand it is easier for a top player like Henin to get through into QF and further, due to the fact that the female players ranked 60+ most of the time have to cope with their own nerves and will never have a chance to beat the top 10 player.
On the other hand it is harder for the top female player to stay focused and find her game when it comes to the big opponents. They don´t have to play their best tennis, maybe not even some good tennis to win in first rounds. Being able to find your game, even if your first round opponent just returns the ball without putting some pressure on it, is something you have to be good at as a top10 female player.

In the mens department surprise losses of top10 players in early round do happen from time to time. A lot of top players have to play their best tennis from early rounds on. It could be the end of your two weeks in France if you took a match not serious enough.

Steffi Graf allways wanted to play with the men to show that she was capable of beating some of them but they wouldn´t let her (maybe because they feared the defeat).

As long as there are two different competitions it will be hard to tell who archieves more. Being a top ten male or female is a great archievement anyway as it takes very hard work for both.
It is probably harder for women as the average price money, especially in the lower ranked tournaments is far from being the same as at an equivalent mens tournament.

Jelena
04-28-2008, 05:35 AM
I guess comparing a male with a female player does not really make sense as they are not playing the same competition.

On one hand it is easier for a top player like Henin to get through into QF and further, due to the fact that the female players ranked 60+ most of the time have to cope with their own nerves and will never have a chance to beat the top 10 player.
On the other hand it is harder for the top female player to stay focused and find her game when it comes to the big opponents. They don´t have to play their best tennis, maybe not even some good tennis to win in first rounds. Being able to find your game, even if your first round opponent just returns the ball without putting some pressure on it, is something you have to be good at as a top10 female player.

In the mens department surprise losses of top10 players in early round do happen from time to time. A lot of top players have to play their best tennis from early rounds on. It could be the end of your two weeks in France if you took a match not serious enough.

Steffi Graf allways wanted to play with the men to show that she was capable of beating some of them but they wouldn´t let her (maybe because they feared the defeat).

As long as there are two different competitions it will be hard to tell who archieves more. Being a top ten male or female is a great archievement anyway as it takes very hard work for both.
It is probably harder for women as the average price money, especially in the lower ranked tournaments is far from being the same as at an equivalent mens tournament.
On the other hand a 3/4 retired, hard smoking Karsten Braasch played sets with both Williams in AO once and beat the one 6-1 and the other 6-0. So women and men tennis just isn't comparable. If you use the average (how many sets a player won until lose one) Juju is at 6.67 and Rafa at 7.75. So even there Rafa is better.

Kip
04-28-2008, 05:53 AM
What is with the bit on this board?

Seems anytime a female player is mentioned in GM,
she is trashed and bashed along with every other
female player. And yet, I've seen more often than
not major loe for the guys in the ladies forum.

What gives?


Oh, and my answer is Nadal. I think more of the top players have
a better shot of putting up a fight to Rafael than with the top
players against Justine.

Toko
04-28-2008, 06:03 AM
The williams's are actually men:/

Agassi Fan
04-28-2008, 06:54 AM
I love Justine and Rafa, they are the greatest players on clay, no doubt!

Agassi Fan
04-28-2008, 06:56 AM
I love Justine and Rafa, they are the greatest players on clay, no doubt!

Lleyton_
04-28-2008, 10:02 AM
I love Justine and Rafa, they are the greatest players on clay, no doubt!

Greatest female player on clay is Chris Evert. Henin is not even close to Evert.

lalit
04-28-2008, 03:19 PM
The williams's are actually men:/:rolleyes:

LoveFifteen
04-28-2008, 03:45 PM
Nadal's performances have been more impressive. He has never been close to losing a match, whereas Justine was down match point in her 2005 QF against Kuznetsova. Also, he has beaten Federer all three times, whereas all four finals that Justine played in were pretty pathetic. Yeah, it's not her fault that her opponents sucked, but still ...

I greatly respect Henin's accomplishments. She is amazingly talented. I just respect, for example, her YEC wins and her 2007 US Open title a lot more.