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Why Does Novak Retires So many times?

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 04:33 AM
I think after seeing Novak retire today against Federer it is fair to say that Novak rather retire than lose to fellow top players. It seems a loss is not a loss to him if he retires. He was fine today, but he must have seen that he was not going to win that match after going down a break again. He retired against Nadal at Wimbledon as well, and also at Roland Garos. I remember him claiming that he was in total control after retiring against Nadal. At the end of the day he can claim that he wasn't 100% and he would've won if he were 100%. You are telling me that he was dizzy and won 6-0 against Murray and Querry? That's what he claimed!

leng jai
04-27-2008, 04:52 AM
Because he wants his nickname of fakervic to be relevant forever.

BaggyGreen92
04-27-2008, 04:54 AM
Once in his 'comeback' win the Hopman Cup against a Taiwan player, it seemed as if he injured. Seemed as if he was gonna lose. But he faked it so badly and came up with a tonne of amazing shots in the third.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 04:59 AM
I think he has good enough game to beat top guys but the fact that he needs to fake (he admitted it against Monfils), that shows he still doesn't get IT.

BaggyGreen92
04-27-2008, 05:00 AM
Novak Djokovic doesn't really have the same grit as Lleyton Hewitt (never say die attitude..... well he used to)

Marek.
04-27-2008, 05:04 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/44199010_2b8d4d03b0.jpg?v=0
:shrug:

Monteque
04-27-2008, 05:15 AM
Because he's inherited his parents blood. Like mom like son. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree, and in this case it's a rotten apple.

RogandyFan
04-27-2008, 05:21 AM
I think after seeing Novak retire today against Federer it is fair to say that Novak rather retire than lose to fellow top players. It seems a loss is not a loss to him if he retires. He was fine today, but he must have seen that he was not going to win that match after going down a break again. He retired against Nadal at Wimbledon as well, and also at Roland Garos. I remember him claiming that he was in total control after retiring against Nadal. At the end of the day he can claim that he wasn't 100% and he would've won if he were 100%. You are telling me that he was dizzy and won 6-0 against Murray and Querry? That's what he claimed!

I was just thinking about this theory too. But thought that I should only jump to that conclusion if Nole retires like this again in the future. After all, I do always hope that Nole loses in everyone of his matches :devil: :devil: His other retirements before this ( Wimbledon 2007 particularly and before he got a "nose job") does seem to have legitimate reasons.

FedFan_2007
04-27-2008, 05:33 AM
Once a Fakervic, always a Fakervic. God help us if he ever gets to #1 for even one week. Roger, please stay #1 for a GOOD long time!

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 05:33 AM
I wish he had retired when he was playing Roger at A.O. :( But he did deserve to win that match. Today? He had no chance the way Roger was playing (though it was alarming how Roger lost his serve to love. The dude got to stop dropping serve that easily).

cherry2008
04-27-2008, 12:24 PM
weird..

Korala
04-27-2008, 01:35 PM
He can't fight when he feel badly. And his condition is terrible. He's just played 3 matches and he fed up and say that must take rest .

Wimp ;)

Nathaliia
04-27-2008, 04:11 PM
Why bother playing when you know you have no chances winning?

Because you always must count on your opponent to fall down and break a leg.

Some players are yet to be told this ancient truth.

Mistaflava
04-27-2008, 04:12 PM
he is a pussy and will never have the the heart of a true champion

Adler
04-27-2008, 04:12 PM
Why bother playing when you know you have no chances winning?

Because you always must count on your opponent to fall down and break a leg..
Verdasco might have to say something about that :) (see AO 2007)

Tutu
04-27-2008, 04:53 PM
Because he's a drama queen.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 04:55 PM
He can still claim that he is undefeated on clay this season. That's what he does best. Stay in denial land.

Rommella
04-27-2008, 05:36 PM
I think after seeing Novak retire today against Federer it is fair to say that Novak rather retire than lose to fellow top players. It seems a loss is not a loss to him if he retires.


Agree. It's his way of putting an asterisk on his opponent's win. And it's not a coincidence that 3 of his 6 retirements, thus far, were to Federer and Nadal. Especially after his father's statement that no way is he losing to Federer again, he figured retirement at MC would still keep his father's statement true.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 05:37 PM
His father said that? Haha. And why wouldn't he lose to Federer again? Because he beat him once?

hilluis
04-27-2008, 05:47 PM
Because he has been poorly brought up and fed too many you are the best stories, therefore he cant bear to think of himself as a loser. However, deep down only a self deluded person would truly buy into that. He knows he was being beaten and didnt have the decency to stay out there.

robinhood
04-27-2008, 05:49 PM
Tsk tsk tsk
It almost seems as if he has some type of phobia.
He can't bear losing outright to the players he feels he should be surpassing (or already have surpassed according to him).

That's too bad really.
If the trend continues, I hope he never ever reaches #1 OR #2 for that matter.
Should Roger finally get stripped of his ranking, it should at least be by a rightful and deserving successor, and only Nadal fits that bill at the moment.

Rommella
04-27-2008, 05:50 PM
His father said that? Haha. And why wouldn't he lose to Federer again? Because he beat him once?

Yep, his father said that after the US Open -- that that was the last time that Novak would be losing to Federer. So when he won at the AO, the family probably figured: see, prophecy fulfilled.

Only they didn't count on the tennis god/s playing dice. Plus, they really were writing Federer off way too early. They should have waited when he's 36 or older and therefore no longer playing tennis.

Manon
04-27-2008, 05:52 PM
Classic example how to ruin your own child.

nolop
04-27-2008, 05:52 PM
Because he is a quitter and a bad sportman.

thrust
04-27-2008, 06:02 PM
As a Nole fan, I would say that he probably should have finished out his match against Roger at that point even if he was sick. The match was nearly over anyway. Nole though needs to realize that the more he does this, the less credability he will have. If he doesn^t think he can complete a tough match, don^t play. One can trash him all they want, but Nole still has the best results so far this year.

dijus
04-27-2008, 07:19 PM
because he does not have class

GlennMirnyi
04-27-2008, 07:21 PM
Because he doesn't have character. :)

dkw
04-27-2008, 07:59 PM
Because he's too sweet and too adorable to lose. Poor baby :hug:

The Pro
04-27-2008, 10:22 PM
Agree. It's his way of putting an asterisk on his opponent's win. And it's not a coincidence that 3 of his 6 retirements, thus far, were to Federer and Nadal. Especially after his father's statement that no way is he losing to Federer again, he figured retirement at MC would still keep his father's statement true.

What a stupid stupid stupid thing to say.

That's even dumber than Dijana's 'King Is Dead' waffling. :eek:

star_of_dusk
04-27-2008, 11:21 PM
Because he's Djokovic and that's what he does, is he good for anything else? :shrug:

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 11:28 PM
c'mon

stop this bashing of Nole

some of his fans are having a nervous breakdown because of it

tennizen
05-04-2008, 12:53 PM
I didn't want to start a new thread on this so here's some more quotes from Djokovic on the retirement in MC.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/203101,sickly-serb-djokovic-denies-hes-a-quitter.html

Rome - Novak Djokovic insisted on Sunday that a throat infection and not a lack of desire caused him to quit a key semi-final at Monte Carlo last week against Roger Federer. And the Serb number three said he found speculation on his lack determination "hurtful" as he heads into the Rome Masters starting on Monday still not at 100 percent.

"It would have been a cheat to the fans, to see someone out there just going through the motions," said the 20-year-old Australian Open champion, who retired trailing 6-3, 3-2.

"I always put my health first. I had tests after Monte Carlo and doctors say I still have the infection. I'm not at 100 percent - I need a week of rest for that.

"People expected a lot from that match, but I have still got a lot of them to play in my career."
Djokovic, who has a first-round bye at the Foro Italico before facing the winner from Ivan Ljubicic or Belgian Steve Darcis, said he's made of stronger stuff than how he's been portrayed.

"I'm a sportsman, a professional and I always try to give 100 percent. I'm not a quitter.

"I'm not trying to find excuses. It was hurtful to hear that I retire when I'm losing. I'm unhappy if I have that reputation, it's not something that I want."

The winner of the first Masters of the season at Indian Wells said that he tends to get sick after long flights due to his immune system.

"I'm more sensitive than the other guys. I guess I always get sick after time and climate changes."

The Serb said that despite his condition," I have been practising better that I thought. I'm feeling better than I thought I would be."

leng jai
05-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Shaw shaw fakervic.

l_mac
05-04-2008, 01:09 PM
:haha:

decrepitude
05-04-2008, 02:04 PM
"I'm more sensitive than the other guys."


Aww, bless.

Sunset of Age
05-04-2008, 02:38 PM
"I'm more sensitive than the other guys."


Aww, bless.

"Tiny organism" :haha:

MaryX
05-04-2008, 06:17 PM
c'mon

stop this bashing of Nole

some of his fans are having a nervous breakdown because of it

Where did you notice that?At a shrink's waiting room?

RagingLamb
05-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Well, I think he's gotten enough sh*t from everyone already.

Everyone deserves a second chance, so let's see if he learns from this experience and improves in the future.

wcr
05-04-2008, 06:50 PM
As a Nole fan, I would say that he probably should have finished out his match against Roger at that point even if he was sick. The match was nearly over anyway. Nole though needs to realize that the more he does this, the less credability he will have. If he doesn^t think he can complete a tough match, don^t play. One can trash him all they want, but Nole still has the best results so far this year.


Recent retirements:

2008 SF Monte Carlo to Federer 6-3, 3-2

2008 Davis Cup to Davydenko to hand Russia a 3-2 win over Serbia in February.

2007 SF Wimbleon 2007 to Nadal

2006 QF to Nadal

It is remarkable for a player at Djokovic's level to retire from a match, especially when he's gone so deep in the draw. In fact, it's dangerous. It is the matches where something hurts or you're feeling sick that you must find a way to win no matter what because it builds confidence that you will one day need when you're up against the wall at 5-all in the 5 set of a slam final.

thesonofgray
05-04-2008, 06:51 PM
Well, I think he's gotten enough sh*t from everyone already.

Everyone deserves a second chance, so let's see if he learns from this experience and improves in the future.

Yes, he has, and he does deserve a second chance.

I believe him when he says he's more prone to illness. A couple of my friends are like that - they just get sick a lot. I just hope that he chooses to "go through the motions" as he puts it rather than retire over a sore throat. Otherwise, his reputation will never change.

yohaneuano4
05-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Because he could be doing better things than losing, like talking up his chances or dreaming about being world number 1.

Herdwick
05-04-2008, 07:08 PM
Yes, he has, and he does deserve a second chance.

I believe him when he says he's more prone to illness. A couple of my friends are like that - they just get sick a lot. I just hope that he chooses to "go through the motions" as he puts it rather than retire over a sore throat. Otherwise, his reputation will never change.

Agree - as a fan, I was still one of his critics last Saturday but enough is enough. If this transcript is to be believed, he may now have realised he has done himself some damage so let's (well at least some of the saner souls amongst us) desist.

MC was the third tournament this year where he has ended up with the crowd booing him. Not sure how far we can blame the parents but I do think he is really feeling the pressure of their expectations. Have they let him grow up believing that the world revolved around him and his tennis? And he knows they're depending on him effectively to support the family, as well as funding this grandiose-sounding scheme for the Serbian tennis centre.

So shall we see how he goes now - talent-wise he certainly belongs in the top three.

wcr
05-04-2008, 07:41 PM
Agree - as a fan, I was still one of his critics last Saturday but enough is enough. If this transcript is to be believed, he may now have realised he has done himself some damage so let's (well at least some of the saner souls amongst us) desist.

MC was the third tournament this year where he has ended up with the crowd booing him. Not sure how far we can blame the parents but I do think he is really feeling the pressure of their expectations. Have they let him grow up believing that the world revolved around him and his tennis? And he knows they're depending on him effectively to support the family, as well as funding this grandiose-sounding scheme for the Serbian tennis centre.

So shall we see how he goes now - talent-wise he certainly belongs in the top three.

I don't think Djokovic yet realizes how his match retirements will affect his future as he's not faced down extreme situations such as the gs final situation I described below. Tsonga did not put up a fight at the 2008 AO like Federer did at the 2007 USO and it could well be that Djokovic couldn't close out the first or second set at the 2007 USO because he lacked the grit he can only find by toughing it out when he feels like quitting the most.

If the guy gets sick so often he should get very good medical help and do something about it. Move to another climate. Stop travelling with his nutty parents. His fate is in his hands, win or lose, it's his decision. At this point, he's starting to behave a lot like the whiny Goran Ivanisevic who was a barrel of laughs but always had reasons why he came up short over and over and over again. Lucky for Goran he finally found his timing one year at Wimbledon back in 2001.

Lee
05-04-2008, 09:32 PM
Yes, he has, and he does deserve a second chance.

I believe him when he says he's more prone to illness. A couple of my friends are like that - they just get sick a lot. I just hope that he chooses to "go through the motions" as he puts it rather than retire over a sore throat. Otherwise, his reputation will never change.

I agree and he should learn that fans rather he went through the motions than retired.

Plus if he knows he's more prone to illness after long flight, why didn't he fly to Monto Carlo earlier? There're almost 3 weeks from his exit in Miami to his first match in Monte Carlo. Plus, he does list his residence in Monte Carlo, Monaco.

michellej
05-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Whether he's genuinely sick or just decides to quit for his own reasons, it's too bad. He will have (has?) no credibility in the tennis world, and will never achieve his goal of #1. I've never heard of a top 10 player with this sort of retirement/quitting record. His player imitaions will only get him so far.

???????????? Djokovic

Alex999
05-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Whether he's genuinely sick or just decides to quit for his own reasons, it's too bad. He will have (has?) no credibility in the tennis world, and will never achieve his goal of #1. I've never heard of a top 10 player with this sort of retirement/quitting record. His player imitaions will only get him so far.

???????????? Djokovic

and how do you know that? Do you have psychic powers ;)? Everyone is speculating here.

elessar
05-04-2008, 10:30 PM
I have no doubt he'll still get to #1 eventually even if he keeps retiring for questionable reasons :shrug: the only question is how well he'll be liked if he keeps this up. I think the fact that he wants to be liked will force him to make some changes, or at least I hope it will

michellej
05-04-2008, 10:36 PM
and how do you know that? Do you have psychic powers ;)? Everyone is speculating here.


Well, what else can be done on message boards other than speculation???? Seeing as none of us are seers, all of our posts are based on what the media tells us about a topic + our opinion, with some bias thrown in.

Welcome to menstennisforums.com., and every other tennis messageboard in cyberspace,

Alex999
05-04-2008, 10:37 PM
I have no doubt he'll still get to #1 eventually even if he keeps retiring for questionable reasons :shrug: the only question is how well he'll be liked if he keeps this up. I think the fact that he wants to be liked will force him to make some changes, or at least I hope it will
I agree with you. I think he wants to be liked and he'll probably adjust his behavior. I noticed that he didn't bounce the ball more than 10-11 times in Monte Carlo, his body language was better than in IW and Miami etc. He should take his gf to his matches, not his parents (unless they can learn to be quiet :p).

Sunset of Age
05-04-2008, 11:01 PM
I agree with you. I think he wants to be liked and he'll probably adjust his behavior. I noticed that he didn't bounce the ball more than 10-11 times in Monte Carlo, his body language was better than in IW and Miami etc. He should take his gf to his matches, not his parents (unless they can learn to be quiet :p).

I agree as well. He's still just a very young fellow, and I'm sure he'll adjust his behaviour in the course of time. Indeed, the first measure he should take is to keep his parents at home (or have them tied to their seats and muzzled ;)), that would improve matters a lot.

RedFury
05-04-2008, 11:34 PM
Putting aside the fact that I don't like the kid, I do think there's some legitimate excuse to his pattern of quiting. I remember watching him when he first came-up on the big stage about what? Two three years ago at RG. Can't be arssed to look up the particular match but he looked like he was literally gasping for air between points...only to hit winner after winner afterwards. He ultimately loss the match but the talent was obviously there. So I think there's some legit physical conditioning and/or chronic health problem with him (asthmatic has been said, right?) as at the time I don't think many people even knew about him. Can't imagine why he'd be acting that way if it wasn't real -- nothing to gain really.

Having said that, it is rather obvious that he's since abused the problem rather than work at solving it -- and if it isn't soluble then why not just come out and say as much? It would do him a world of good in the public eye.

Wish him well just the same.

wcr
05-05-2008, 12:05 AM
Putting aside the fact that I don't like the kid, I do think there's some legitimate excuse to his pattern of quiting. I remember watching him when he first came-up on the big stage about what? Two three years ago at RG. Can't be arssed to look up the particular match but he looked like he was literally gasping for air between points...only to hit winner after winner afterwards. He ultimately loss the match but the talent was obviously there. So I think there's some legit physical conditioning and/or chronic health problem with him (asthmatic has been said, right?) as at the time I don't think many people even knew about him. Can't imagine why he'd be acting that way if it wasn't real -- nothing to gain really.

Having said that, it is rather obvious that he's since abused the problem rather than work at solving it -- and if it isn't soluble then why not just come out and say as much? It would do him a world of good in the public eye.

Wish him well just the same.

I've not heard any commentators say that Djokovic is asthmatic. He's got weird breathing problems and had surgery on his nose 2 years ago to help improve matters. Apparently, he wasn't able to get enough oxygen to his pipes. Unless a player is forced to admit a disability, they're not going to come out about it on their own. Why help out your opponents if you don't have to? I keep thinking it's that mother of his. Hell, I have trouble breathing watching him play a match out of fear of what she might do. Just imagine no pancakes for a year!

Lots of folks have known about Djokovic for several years but more for his gamesmanship crap back when he burst onto the scene. There was some nasty business going on during a first round match against Monfils at the USO 2005 that garnered a lot of negative attention. The bad blood between him and Federer has to do with the way Djokovic behaved during a match against Wawrinka for Davis Cup two years ago in Geneva. I still hold the ball bouncing is gamesmanship from way back when but, for the most part, he's become a better sportsman all around. Smart move as it minimizes the negative press and keeps him focused.

There's no question the guy is enormously talented (talk about great hands). But he's 21 now; not 17, not 18, not 19 and I still hold that these deep-in-the-draw retirements are going to hurt him in the confidence department when he plays for the yacht in the big matches.

RedFury
05-05-2008, 12:30 AM
I've not heard any commentators say that Djokovic is asthmatic. He's got weird breathing problems and had surgery on his nose 2 years ago to help improve matters. Apparently, he wasn't able to get enough oxygen to his pipes. Unless a player is forced to admit a disability, they're not going to come out about it on their own. Why help out your opponents if you don't have to? I keep thinking it's that mother of his. Hell, I have trouble breathing watching him play a match out of fear of what she might do. Just imagine no pancakes for a year!

Lots of folks have known about Djokovic for several years but more for his gamesmanship crap back when he burst onto the scene. There was some nasty business going on during a first round match against Monfils at the USO 2005 that garnered a lot of negative attention. The bad blood between him and Federer has to do with the way Djokovic behaved during a match against Wawrinka for Davis Cup two years ago in Geneva. I still hold the ball bouncing is gamesmanship from way back when but, for the most part, he's become a better sportsman all around. Smart move as it minimizes the negative press and keeps him focused.

There's no question the guy is enormously talented (talk about great hands). But he's 21 now; not 17, not 18, not 19 and I still hold that these deep-in-the-draw retirements are going to hurt him in the confidence department when he plays for the yacht in the big matches.

Thanks. Lots of info to digest. Like I said, I had no clue about the guy until that particular match and was impressed by the sheer talent he displayed. Again, his kneeling between points and gasping for air sure looked real -- if not, Oscar worthy.

As for the as asthma, I can't be quoted on this, but that's what I thought the announcers (ESPN en Español) said the problem was. Aren't you saying the same thing though? I mean, call it what you may, but if he can't get enough oxygen to his lungs, there's a medical condition there, no?

Thanks for the info once again. Interesting to say the least. And I agree, gamesmanship will ultimately backfire on him...as it has on most athletes that have tried it, Maradona* being the one exception I can think of right off the bat.

*Loved his artistry, like Argentinians and their footie, hate cheats.

leng jai
05-05-2008, 01:32 AM
Well, what else can be done on message boards other than speculation???? Seeing as none of us are seers, all of our posts are based on what the media tells us about a topic + our opinion, with some bias thrown in.

Welcome to menstennisforums.com., and every other tennis messageboard in cyberspace,

You are wrong. There are several prophets on MTF.

Alex999
05-05-2008, 02:06 AM
You are wrong. There are several prophets on MTF.
This is too good :lol::lol::lol:

littleash
05-05-2008, 02:48 AM
leave him alone :o even hes a drama queen :rolleyes:

thesonofgray
05-05-2008, 06:23 AM
There's no question the guy is enormously talented (talk about great hands). But he's 21 now; not 17, not 18, not 19 and I still hold that these deep-in-the-draw retirements are going to hurt him in the confidence department when he plays for the yacht in the big matches.

Isn't he 20? Not that it matters much...I just can't imagine being under that sort of limelight and pressure at age 20.

And what happened at the USO in 2005? :confused: I'm curious.

Thanks. Lots of info to digest. Like I said, I had no clue about the guy until that particular match and was impressed by the sheer talent he displayed. Again, his kneeling between points and gasping for air sure looked real -- if not, Oscar worthy.

As for the as asthma, I can't be quoted on this, but that's what I thought the announcers (ESPN en Español) said the problem was. Aren't you saying the same thing though? I mean, call it what you may, but if he can't get enough oxygen to his lungs, there's a medical condition there, no?

From various news sources, his excuse is that his immune system isn't all that great, and nonstop traveling for tournaments year-round doesn't exactly help. Being a pro-athlete (and especially a tennis pro) has to be incredibly physically demanding (obviously :)) - some people can hack it and some can't. I think Novak is in that gray area in between, physically speaking. Mentally, I think he is improving greatly.

It will be interesting to see how he ends up leaving Rome (winner :), loser :awww:, or retiree :().

Knightmace
05-05-2008, 06:32 AM
Nole doesn't want a bad record that's why, I can guarantee you that he won't retire against a person that has a low rank.

Or Levy
05-05-2008, 06:39 AM
I think Roger is looking to consolidate his win... this match, should both get there - will be a cracker, that's for sure.

Their relationship is just getting worse and worse with every match they play.

MaryX
05-05-2008, 09:35 AM
I agree with you. I think he wants to be liked and he'll probably adjust his behavior. I noticed that he didn't bounce the ball more than 10-11 times in Monte Carlo, his body language was better than in IW and Miami etc. He should take his gf to his matches, not his parents (unless they can learn to be quiet :p).

I think his main problem is that desire to be liked.Can anyone really please majority of people? Will people that despise him/hate him change their mind and their exaggerations or he would be described as media clown, attention seeker...And as I really like him, I am more concerned about his health problems whether physical or mental and less about his haters and critics.Some criticism is of course desirable and deserved, but he needs the support too.

I don't know if he bounced the ball less in MC, but if that generated very poor serving at SF, then I'd reconsider bouncing again.He is still fragile in many ways, very complexed personality.

As for taking gf to matches, in every tournament she was following him he didn't have good results.On the other hand I don't like his parents, too.I hope they will skip most of his following matches, they are giving him to much pressure.But there is another side of the story, I have an impression he usually plays much more responsible when they are around :shrug: .

Turquoise
05-05-2008, 09:39 AM
Djokovic is one hell of a player, and he earned my respect and admiration last year by the way he worked his way up the rankings – deservedly so. However, call me cynical, he has failed to convince me that his injury time-outs and retirements are all legitimate. I just hope he does not get caught out by the “cry wolf” syndrome. After a while, people stop taking you seriously, and that’s when danger strikes.

tennis2tennis
05-05-2008, 12:30 PM
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leng jai
05-05-2008, 12:34 PM
Navratilova :haha: :haha: :haha:

tennis2tennis
05-05-2008, 12:36 PM
I wasn't so sure what to make of Gustavo's comment was he serious or is he having a go? and jimmy sounds really stupid he contradicted himself! :)

Herdwick
05-05-2008, 12:49 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/Emily-b/Untitled-1copy.jpg?t=1209990516

What is this site please?

its.like.that
05-05-2008, 01:24 PM
lmao

Djokovic is such a loser.

Castafiore
05-05-2008, 01:28 PM
and jimmy sounds really stupid he contradicted himself! :)
I don't think so.

IMO, he's implying that he hated losing and he didn't go down all that gracefully (you wouldn't have seen him hug his opponent after receiving a trashing for example, rather the opposite...) but he stayed there until the end and took his loss if he could help it.


Navratilova is a bit too harsh on Novak, I think.

NYCtennisfan
05-05-2008, 01:30 PM
Ironically, it's Fed that's sticking up for him. :)

Pea
05-05-2008, 01:31 PM
Oh so blunt, Martina.:lol:

NYCtennisfan
05-05-2008, 01:32 PM
I don't think so.

IMO, he's implying that he hated losing and he didn't go down all that gracefully (you wouldn't have seen him hug his opponent after receiving a trashing for example, rather the opposite...) but he stayed there until the end and took his loss if he could help it.


Navratilova is a bit too harsh on Novak, I think.

Yup. He was a sore loser, but he didn't quit all that often, even when he was taking some severe thumpings late in his career.

Martina must post here at MTF.

Burrow
05-05-2008, 01:33 PM
Of course Federer will stick up for him, he has to go on court and play him regularly, what else do you expect, for him to cause friction when he has to see him all the time?

leng jai
05-05-2008, 01:35 PM
Of course Federer will stick up for him, he has to go on court and play him regularly, what else do you expect, for him to cause friction when he has to see him all the time?

Yep they are best mates. If they played doubles together they would be holding hands.

FluffyYellowBall
05-05-2008, 01:38 PM
Federers comment, just class..
Navratilova should keep her personal opinions to herself

Or Levy
05-05-2008, 01:42 PM
Link please!

Too good.

NYCtennisfan
05-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Federers comment, just class..
Navratilova should keep her personal opinions to herself

I believe the magazine asked her for her opinion.:confused:

Rogieva
05-05-2008, 01:44 PM
Martina :bowdown:

Where is Mary Carillo's take ??? :D

DhammaTiger
05-05-2008, 01:46 PM
I agree with Roger, we should give him the benefit of doubt. He is the only one who knows his body, so, who are we to say that he is not telling the truth? How would anyone of us feel, if we called sick and the boss doubted us? In other words why do we expect our words to be believed when we don't give the same courtesy to others.
I personally think this whole topic has becomes stale and boring, and I wish people would drop it. There are other threads discussing this topic, why do we need another, and then someone else will create another ad nauseum. I forgot this is GM on MTF so what else do I expect.

elessar
05-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Roger :mad: why are you trusting him after his agent expressed his doubts about your mono :crying2: you're too nice.

I do think some of them (read Navratilova) are a little too harsh, it's one thing for MTFers to bash players because nobody cares what we say, but her words carry more weight :shrug:

mangoes
05-05-2008, 04:57 PM
Roger gave the politically correct answer.........I don't for one second believe his words are his actual thoughts on the matter.

Martina just said what most people are saying behind closed doors.......and she is in a position to express herself without care. What is the Djerk clan going to do?? Insult her too? She obviously doesn't care.

Burrow
05-05-2008, 04:58 PM
Yep they are best mates. If they played doubles together they would be holding hands.

Typical retarded post taking things out of proportion from leng dumbarse.

Sunset of Age
05-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Roger gave the politically correct answer.........I don't for one second believe his words are his actual thoughts on the matter.

My idea as well, but even if he's just being PC, it at least shows his pure class again. Well done Roger, never succumb to your opponents' lows! :worship:

Martina just said what most people are saying behind closed doors.......and she is in a position to express herself without care. What is the Djerk clan going to do?? Insult her too? She obviously doesn't care.

Bring out the popcorn. :rocker2:

mangoes
05-05-2008, 05:00 PM
I do think some of them (read Navratilova) are a little too harsh, it's one thing for MTFers to bash players because nobody cares what we say, but her words carry more weight :shrug:

I think she knew the weight her words would carry. Not often does Martina say something like this about a player. I think she is relatively nice in her comments about players.......so she must be fairly ticked off with Djerk's antics to be so blunt. Obviously, tennis viewers aren't the only ones getting sick and tired of Djerk's antics. I don't like what Djerk is bring to the game of tennis.

Martina loves the game of tennis so she isn't going to just sit back and smile at Djerk's antics. Someone has to speak up eventually. Or, Djerk will give birth to a new pattern of unsportmanship behavior in Tennis.

mangoes
05-05-2008, 05:04 PM
My idea as well, but even if he's just being PC, it at least shows his pure class again. Well done Roger, never succumb to your opponents' lows! :worship:



Bring out the popcorn. :rocker2:

Hi Karin,

I also don't think it would have been smart of Roger to express anything other than the PC answer. Roger and Martina are in two different positions. Any other answer from Roger would have been immediately turned into a sour grapes article.

Sunset of Age
05-05-2008, 05:09 PM
Hi Karin,

I also don't think it would have been smart of Roger to express anything other than the PC answer. Roger and Martina are in two different positions. Any other answer from Roger would have been immediately turned into a sour grapes article.

Hi Sheryl :hug:

Yeah, exactly. Apart from this, I think Roger knows very well that it's a lot wiser to just let the whole issue 'die down' in stead of adding fuel to the flames which are already there - he's of course perfectly aware that the media would immediately jump on any a negative comment from him. Besides that, it also sends a message to Djoko: that he's the more mature one, here, and that might well give him the upper hand in the mental department for possible upcoming matches as well. Smart fellow, but we already knew that... ;)

FiBeR
05-05-2008, 05:27 PM
Navratilova :haha: :haha: :haha:

she looks like a stylish grandma in that photo :rocker2:

Matrix
05-05-2008, 05:33 PM
:silly:
When someone as dumb as Navratilova is saying such stupid things, it's a clear sign you've nothing to worry about.

Go on, Novak.

Keep bouncing.

luxsword
05-05-2008, 05:34 PM
Fed is non-commital, neutral, PC. And he's quite right not to add fuel to the flames.

AnnaK_4ever
05-05-2008, 05:35 PM
It's funny even though it's a fake.

tennizen
05-05-2008, 05:37 PM
Roger :mad: why are you trusting him after his agent expressed his doubts about your mono :crying2: you're too nice.

I do think some of them (read Navratilova) are a little too harsh, it's one thing for MTFers to bash players because nobody cares what we say, but her words carry more weight :shrug:

Claire, I agree. In fact I think Roger gave the appropriate answer. It's not correct for him to stir things up. Also Navratilova is too harsh and I agree with you on that.

Oj-Ala
05-05-2008, 06:09 PM
Jimmy !!!! :lol: Martina !!! :tape: :drink: ROGER !!!!! :worship:

Manon
05-05-2008, 06:31 PM
Good thing is - Novak gives a sh*t about who thinks this, who thinks that...

I mean - who really cares what Connors, Navratilova and whole world said.

r2473
05-05-2008, 06:32 PM
I do think some of them (read Navratilova) are a little too harsh, it's one thing for MTFers to bash players because nobody cares what we say, but her words carry more weight :shrug:

Say it isn't so.

The Pro
05-05-2008, 08:27 PM
Martina is clearly a sage. :worship:

l_mac
05-05-2008, 08:50 PM
Roger gave the politically correct answer.........I don't for one second believe his words are his actual thoughts on the matter.


Did Roger's quote come from his post match (vs Nole) presser?


Poor Nole :awww: The world is against him :sobbing:

zeleni
05-05-2008, 09:03 PM
Good thing is - Novak gives a sh*t about who thinks this, who thinks that...


I hope so. He is smart guy.

Keep on bouncing, Novak!!!

Alex999
05-05-2008, 09:10 PM
Did Roger's quote come from his post match (vs Nole) presser?


Poor Nole :awww: The world is against him :sobbing:


Crocodile tears :awww:

Manon
05-05-2008, 09:56 PM
I hope so. He is smart guy.



Course. Who cares (exept GM 'experts')?

Jagermeister
05-05-2008, 10:38 PM
Martina Navratilova really doesn't mince words nor does she makes this kind of statement often so that's kind of a big deal that she said that. Federer did the right thing by just stayin' above the fray, lest Novak's parents start poppin' off again. They really have gotten obnoxious and ridiculous.

I still like Novak's tennis and want him to continue to do well but he really needs to be mindful of his actions and how they come across. Success on the court is good but not at the expense of turning into a punchline.

Montego
05-05-2008, 10:40 PM
Maybe he has a chronical wrist injury from excessive ball bouncing and from imagining him and Sharapova together ? Who knows....

Aloimeh
05-05-2008, 11:31 PM
I was very critical of Novak after his retirement but I feel this sort of open, public, and frankly insulting criticism is unacceptable. The only person who was honest while not being explicitly insulting was Kuerten (Federer is being tactful also). The comments by Connors and Navratilova are downright insulting and themselves unprofessional.

Can we have a link, as I'm not even sure this is real?

Vida
05-05-2008, 11:38 PM
I was also critical of him after FEd match... but now after reading his interview and these comments, I ask myself:

would Novak rather retire form whatever reason and be subjected to this kinda of criticism or would he rather be a benevolent young chalenger who hugs he's opponent at the net, saying afterwards he had 'ilness' for three days or something like that, and its no shame to lose to Roger (as he did say after USO) ?

wcr
05-06-2008, 02:55 AM
I was very critical of Novak after his retirement but I feel this sort of open, public, and frankly insulting criticism is unacceptable. The only person who was honest while not being explicitly insulting was Kuerten (Federer is being tactful also). The comments by Connors and Navratilova are downright insulting and themselves unprofessional.

Can we have a link, as I'm not even sure this is real?

Has Martina Navratilova or Jimmy Connors ever defaulted from a match because they weren't feeling well? I wasn't watching tennis during their era but I having a feeling the answer is never unless they broke a leg and the bone was sticking out and they couldn't walk.

The greatest of champs just didn't do this. Sampras was perfectly willing to cry like a baby and vomit his guts out on court and still keep playing.

Mimi
05-06-2008, 02:57 AM
because he was afraid to lose :o

Mimi
05-06-2008, 02:58 AM
yeah pete's mental toughness, one of the best ever, and thats made him a great champion :bowdown::bowdown::yeah::yippee:
Has Martina Navratilova or Jimmy Connors ever defaulted from a match because they weren't feeling well? I wasn't watching tennis during their era but I having a feeling the answer is never unless they broke a leg and the bone was sticking out and they couldn't walk.

The greatest of champs just didn't do this. Sampras was perfectly willing to cry like a baby and vomit his guts out on court and still keep playing.

tangerine_dream
05-06-2008, 03:34 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/Emily-b/Untitled-1copy.jpg?t=1209990516
"Greg Rusedsk", "Federer Roger", "Habbit", "incessant ball tossing"? Is this a mock-up or is it from an actual publication? Too many spelling and grammar errors to be legit, or take seriously.

thesonofgray
05-06-2008, 03:51 AM
"Greg Rusedsk", "Federer Roger", "Habbit", "incessant ball tossing"? Is this a mock-up or is it from an actual publication? Too many spelling and grammar errors to be legit, or take seriously.

Good eye.

It's looking more like a photoshop job to me - too many odd things (visually) happening here. And after a semi-intense search I couldn't find anything. And requests for the site link have gone ignored.

I think someone is having a little fun...:rolleyes: But I could be wrong.

Alex999
05-06-2008, 04:10 AM
I didn't think the article was for real but I don't see any point of fighting or arguing with people who dislike him on this board. I know that Navratilova loves Djokovic, she said it so many times. She would never say anything derogatory about him.

Aloimeh
05-06-2008, 04:20 AM
Has Martina Navratilova or Jimmy Connors ever defaulted from a match because they weren't feeling well? I wasn't watching tennis during their era but I having a feeling the answer is never unless they broke a leg and the bone was sticking out and they couldn't walk.

The greatest of champs just didn't do this. Sampras was perfectly willing to cry like a baby and vomit his guts out on court and still keep playing.

Their fortitude is exemplary but it wouldn't give them a free pass to publicly insult (questioning manhood, directly attacking a player's "irritating entourage") a tennis player. It appears this is a forgery anyway.

Aloimeh
05-06-2008, 04:22 AM
I didn't think the article was for real. I know that Navratilova loves Djokovic, she said it so many times. She would never say anything derogatory about him.

She might, but she would probably do it in a more "mothering" way - the tone of that quote is so stringent, it could have been written by the most odious of MTF Nole-haters.

finishingmove
05-06-2008, 04:23 AM
i think she was sarcastic actually

didadida
05-06-2008, 10:30 AM
Yup. He was a sore loser, but he didn't quit all that often, even when he was taking some severe thumpings late in his career.

Martina must post here at MTF.
:lol:

tennis2tennis
05-06-2008, 11:54 AM
This was a scan from the April issue Pen Pilot Tennis magazine....

didadida
05-06-2008, 11:56 AM
This was a scan from the April issue Pen Pilot Tennis magazine....

so it is not photoshoped

tennis2tennis
05-06-2008, 11:58 AM
so it is not photoshoped

no, just poorly written, I would like to have seen the full interview with Martina, she has a dry sense of humour I doubt it sounds so bad if put into full context, I can't find that interview anywhere, I'm sure in context it doesn't sound as bad.

didadida
05-06-2008, 12:01 PM
no, just poorly written, I would like to have seen the full interview with Martina, she has a dry sense of humour I doubt it sounds so bad if put into full context, I can't find that interview anywhere, I'm sure in context it doesn't sound as bad.

yeh me too ;)

Sunset of Age
05-06-2008, 12:09 PM
This was a scan from the April issue Pen Pilot Tennis magazine....

They sure need some editors to correct the typo's! :eek:

tennis2tennis
05-06-2008, 12:12 PM
They sure need some editors to correct the typo's! :eek:

Know what you mean, have you tried the Yahoo Tennis news...not sure if anyone posted their mistakes yikes!!

scoobs
05-06-2008, 12:13 PM
That's atrocious editing and page layout.

leng jai
05-06-2008, 12:50 PM
That's atrocious editing and page layout.

But the content is quality, and thats what counts

Lee
05-06-2008, 02:36 PM
This was a scan from the April issue Pen Pilot Tennis magazine....

Are you kidding me? For you to get the magazine on the day you started this thread, the magazine should have been printed BEFORE that incident which happened last than a week ago. And if it refers to incidents before, I really don't know why the magazine suddenly put up a topic like this.

tangerine_dream
05-06-2008, 02:40 PM
This was a scan from the April issue Pen Pilot Tennis magazine....
There's no such thing as Pen Pilot Tennis magazine and if there were then why is a New England publication full of British advertisements?

Lee
05-06-2008, 02:46 PM
There's no such thing as Pen Pilot Tennis magazine and if there were then why is a New England publication full of British advertisements?

It's clear someone think it's funny for lying thru his/her teeth. :shrug:

thesonofgray
05-07-2008, 07:50 AM
Pen Pilot Tennis magazine?? :scratch: Never heard of it.

The right part of the image just looks like a list of banner link ads (interesting note: the tennisnuts.com banner runs over and into the feature box...odd). Dunno how links would work in a magazine.

And if it is a magazine, that is some atrocious layout design and editing! :eek:

Oh, and that is one HECK of a scanner! :lol: