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Apemant
04-26-2008, 03:17 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

Rogieva
04-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Novak is a wimp.

MIMIC
04-26-2008, 03:20 PM
This is a really nasty forum sometimes. Ridiculously immature people.

aussie_fan
04-26-2008, 03:20 PM
he deserves with what he gets here i think.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:21 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

Have you been oblivous to the amount of gloating from the Djokovic fans, well the good ones don't post on GM often? It's like many weren't around before 2007 and then all of a sudden there is a massive influx of instant experts.

Facts are, personally I don't have a major beef with Djokovic. I can see why a lot of people on here are happy about this, nobody likes sore winners.

Fed is going down, he is finished, bitching about his bashing thread ( should be honoured, only the best get them), see the point here.

If they are going to dish out the crap, then they have take it back.

Bilbo
04-26-2008, 03:21 PM
Nole is a wimp imo

prima donna
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
An astounding and empathic no.

zethand
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
Let us do what ever we want!

Dirk
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

He retired over a fever. Did Roger retire over his much more severe mono during Oz? Nole deserves it for being a poor sport and since this isn't the first time he has done it, he shouldn't be given the benefit of doubt.

spriwi
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
djoker is a wimp :ras:

dam0dred
04-26-2008, 03:22 PM
After his pathetic charade today he deserves all the bashing he gets.

RagingLamb
04-26-2008, 03:24 PM
I don't care about novak's fans, roger's fans, or any fans.

I was cheering for Novak when he won AO, but what Novak did left a very bad taste in my mouth. If he had lost 6-0 in the second and taken it like a man, I would still respect him.

But what he did was a bitch move, and he deserves nothing but criticism for it.

What happened to the tough guys in tennis? What happened to fighting and sticking it out. If anything, out of respect for Roger, keep playing.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 03:25 PM
Have you been oblivous to the amount of gloating from the Djokovic fans, well the good ones don't post on GM often? It's like many weren't around before 2007 and then all of a sudden there is a massive influx of instant experts.

I haven't, and yes it bothered the hell out of me. But how to fight it, by returning in the same manner? That way it just goes on in circles, next time Djoker wins something big they will become twice as poisonous, having read all this.

Of course, hostilities can't ever really end, but I can only try to take at least a little bit of steam from it.

Sunset of Age
04-26-2008, 03:28 PM
Fed is going down, he is finished, bitching about his bashing thread ( should be honoured, only the best get them), see the point here.

If they are going to dish out the crap, then they have take it back.

You expressed it perfectly. Nothing to add here.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:29 PM
I haven't, and yes it bothered the hell out of me. But how to fight it, by returning in the same manner? That way it just goes on in circles, next time Djoker wins something big they will become twice as poisonous, having read all this.

Of course, hostilities can't ever really end, but I can only try to take at least a little bit of steam from it.

This is the reason for the problems, as anyone with half a brain knows is this. It only takes a few to give the others a bad name, but it's happened now.

If he lost and played out the match, guaranteed there wouldn't be as much love going around.

cmurray
04-26-2008, 03:30 PM
He retired over a fever. Did Roger retire over his much more severe mono during Oz? Nole deserves it for being a poor sport and since this isn't the first time he has done it, he shouldn't be given the benefit of doubt.

He didn't have a fever. It was a sore throat. The doctor told him nothing was wrong with him.

*Ljubica*
04-26-2008, 03:31 PM
But just a reminder - not all Novak's fans are gloaters, or stir sh*t on MTF! Most of us hide away because there's too much sh*t against him and us here in GM.

This place has turned totally evil lately, - I sure won't be back on here for a long, long while. Not that I come here much anyway :shrug: And I'm sure many here will be so happy for that :rolleyes:

Apemant - thanks, and good luck to Roger tomorrow.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:36 PM
I specifically stated that not all Djokovic fans were gloating and rubbing people up the wrong way. I clearly stated it only takes a few to give the others a bad name, but there is an element there and hence with a retirement like this, just fuels the flames.

justClaudia
04-26-2008, 03:38 PM
It's not just poor little Novak who is bashed in here. :shrug: Every damn player is, so I don't see what's all the drama about.

Whatever.

juninhOH
04-26-2008, 03:38 PM
i dont this bashing too, even tho i don't like djokovic very much

Fee
04-26-2008, 03:42 PM
I specifically stated that not all Djokovic fans were gloating and rubbing people up the wrong way. I clearly stated it only takes a few to give the others a bad name, but there is an element there and hence with a retirement like this, just fuels the flames.

But what you said is true of the top 3 - there are asshat Fed fans, asshat Nadal fans, and asshat Nole fans. Then there are just the asshat haters who don't seem to like anyone at all. The combination of all these asshats has made GM like a high school cafeteria, with the 'dumb jock' types preening around trying to out-troll each other. The good fans for the top three players have scurried to the player forums and rarely come back to GM for real tennis discussions. It's a shame, I used to learn a lot from this forum.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 03:43 PM
I specifically stated that not all Djokovic fans were gloating and rubbing people up the wrong way. I clearly stated it only takes a few to give the others a bad name, but there is an element there and hence with a retirement like this, just fuels the flames.

BTW I didn't aim at you; when you bash people you do it with style :hatoff: and besides, you bash them all so noone can accuse you of 'tardism.

It's those tasteless oneliners, that I detest.

l_mac
04-26-2008, 03:44 PM
But just a reminder - not all Novak's fans are gloaters, or stir sh*t on MTF! Most of us hide away because there's too much sh*t against him and us here in GM.

This place has turned totally evil lately, - I sure won't be back on here for a long, long while. Not that I come here much anyway :shrug: And I'm sure many here will be so happy for that :rolleyes:

Apemant - thanks, and good luck to Roger tomorrow.

There's shit about every player on GM. At least Nole only has his injury timeouts and crazy family to get bashed about. There are still people, you included Rose, who claim Nadal uses performance enhancing drugs, which is far more "evil" than anything ever directed at Nole. I've never seen you complain about Rafa's treatment, or even Roger's. The NoleTroll's constant dissing of Federer for the past 4 months means (in my eyes) they are due every single bit of the nonsense now being directed at them and their boy.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 03:45 PM
It's not just poor little Novak who is bashed in here. :shrug: Every damn player is, so I don't see what's all the drama about.

Whatever.

Agreed, but the intensity of Nole trolling last several months (not by ALL of his fans, BTW, just some of them) most naturally generates the same intensity of Nole bashing when he pulls off something like this. It's simple newtonian mechanics :devil: , I'm just trying to soften it a little bit. Probably useless as it is - but hey.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:47 PM
But what you said is true of the top 3 - there are asshat Fed fans, asshat Nadal fans, and asshat Nole fans. Then there are just the asshat haters who don't seem to like anyone at all. The combination of all these asshats has made GM like a high school cafeteria, with the 'dumb jock' types preening around trying to out-troll each other. The good fans for the top three players have scurried to the player forums and rarely come back to GM for real tennis discussions. It's a shame, I used to learn a lot from this forum.

Yes, of course the better the player, the more fans they get, in proportion that the greater chance, there are going to be lunatic fringes. I mean you got FedFool who said he was going to top himself if Fed lost the number 1 ranking, the Nadalistas who think he was the only player ever to hit heavy topspin and Djokovic gloaters who think he is going to win Golden Slams.

There are good people in here, you just have to use filtering methods, it's a bit like the mass media. The info is out there, you just have to take in what is worth taking in.

NYCtennisfan
04-26-2008, 03:48 PM
Have you been oblivous to the amount of gloating from the Djokovic fans, well the good ones don't post on GM often? It's like many weren't around before 2007 and then all of a sudden there is a massive influx of instant experts.

Facts are, personally I don't have a major beef with Djokovic. I can see why a lot of people on here are happy about this, nobody likes sore winners.

Fed is going down, he is finished, bitching about his bashing thread ( should be honoured, only the best get them), see the point here.

If they are going to dish out the crap, then they have take it back.

Yup.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 03:50 PM
There are people on this forum who bash every major player we have in the game.

It's useless protesting that this player or that shouldn't be bashed. They all are to some extent.

There are some posters on here who conspicuously do not take part in any of the bashing of players, but I'm afraid they're fighting a losing battle to hope others will take the same stance. Every tennis board, and every chat board of any description I have ever used, has people bashing someone or something - it's just the way it is.

Mother Theresa would be bashed if there were a thread dedicated to her. C'est la vie.

l_mac
04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Mother Theresa would be bashed if there were a thread dedicated to her. C'est la vie.

Most overrated nun ever.

Allegretto
04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Internet. Serious business.

Snowwy
04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
I use to not like Federer, but Djokovic's fans and family have changed that and Im loving this win.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 03:53 PM
There are good people in here, you just have to use filtering methods, it's a bit like the mass media. The info is out there, you just have to take in what is worth taking in.

Props to you for enduring in this place for so long, sometimes I feel like not reading this anymore. I enjoyed this sport more before I started reading MTF. Yes, there are good posters and worthy contributions but I guess I'm just too sensitive and too soft to cope with all the crap that comes along.

hilluis
04-26-2008, 03:53 PM
He retired over a fever. Did Roger retire over his much more severe mono during Oz? Nole deserves it for being a poor sport and since this isn't the first time he has done it, he shouldn't be given the benefit of doubt.

Agree. He could have stayed out there for 10 mins longer. What was that stat the other day on Sky Sports? Roger had at that point played 701 matches in his career and never retired from any of them.

Dirk
04-26-2008, 03:54 PM
He didn't have a fever. It was a sore throat. The doctor told him nothing was wrong with him.

Oh so he is a liar and a crassy coward, thanks for clearing it up.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:55 PM
There are people on this forum who bash every major player we have in the game.

It's useless protesting that this player or that shouldn't be bashed. They all are to some extent.

There are some posters on here who conspicuously do not take part in any of the bashing of players, but I'm afraid they're fighting a losing battle to hope others will take the same stance. Every tennis board, and every chat board of any description I have ever used, has people bashing someone or something - it's just the way it is.

Mother Theresa would be bashed if there were a thread dedicated to her. C'est la vie.

Vamos Jimmy Snuka.

The rest of your post I can't fault.

jeahhh!
04-26-2008, 03:56 PM
If people didn't bash GM would die :shrug:

^Sue^
04-26-2008, 03:57 PM
Roger is the man of the match, Good Luck, Roger!! C'mon, u can win tomorrow! :banana:

^Sue^
04-26-2008, 03:57 PM
Oh so he is a liar and a crassy coward, thanks for clearing it up.

:banana: yeah...

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 03:58 PM
Props to you for enduring in this place for so long, sometimes I feel like not reading this anymore. I enjoyed this sport more before I started reading MTF. Yes, there are good posters and worthy contributions but I guess I'm just too sensitive and too soft to cope with all the crap that comes along.

Get a thicker skin, find what you want to read. You can always learn from all different sources.

Lot of people think I am a very arrogant arsehole and I am happy for that, because I wouldn't want these people to like me.

There are some good posters, some very good threads among the rubbish, but there is always going to be some bashing, some of it has credence and others, well too much delusional juice has been taken.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 04:02 PM
I think really if you allow random posters on a thread who you don't know at all to affect your emotional state dramatically then it's time to stop and think why. And maybe find ways to stop that happening.

I certainly don't let a bunch of strangers determine my mood.

Roland9
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Three words:

Do not care.

Stensland
04-26-2008, 04:05 PM
people also tend to forget that lots of people on gm aren't native speakers (english), so i guess many posters find it hard to express their opinion properly. maybe that's how these one-liners come about. imagine you guys trying to make conversation with latin americans in spanish. not that easy, you know?

of course there will always be rubbish on gm due to many reasons (some people are WAY younger than you guys, no offense ;) , and can't reflect upon things like you're able to) but there are interesting things as well. like pmk said: filtering is important.

RogerFan82
04-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Nole and his team deserve it because he is disrespecting fellow great players like Nadal and Fed by quitting matches halfway thru.

Did Nadal quit when Youzhny was pumelling him in chennai, even though nadal was tired ?
Did fed quit against Djoke when he was 5-7 1-5 down at AO 2008. He fought and lost 5-7 3-6 6-7.

Stensland
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
I think really if you allow random posters on a thread who you don't know at all to affect your emotional state dramatically then it's time to stop and think why. And maybe find ways to stop that happening.

I certainly don't let a bunch of strangers determine my mood.

most important post in this thread.

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Most overrated nun ever.

Yeah her topspin backhand was shit.

LeChuck
04-26-2008, 04:07 PM
I agree with what Scoobs has said. Why so many people on here are over hysterical and actually give a shit about other posters bashing their favourite players behind a computer screen, I really don't know.

cmurray
04-26-2008, 04:07 PM
Oh so he is a liar and a crassy coward, thanks for clearing it up.

He was asked in his press conference "Novak, do you have a fever" and he said "No." :shrug:

Then he said, "The Dr. said nothing is wrong with me, but he gave the wrong diagnosis."

I said nothing about liars or cowards. Just reporting the facts.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 04:11 PM
I think really if you allow random posters on a thread who you don't know at all to affect your emotional state dramatically then it's time to stop and think why. And maybe find ways to stop that happening.

It has a negative influence on my faith in humanity. But we're getting dangerously close to philosophy here. :devil: Anyway, if you can really split the human race in two parts, 'us' and 'them', then I guess this doesn't bother you.

As for me, I'm unable to distinguish 'us' from 'them'. From my viewpoint we are all humans, including the gloaters, the jerks, the pricks, the assholes, the morons and the fools. Whatever I apply to them I must apply to myself to some extent as well, because 'us' can't be that different from 'them'.

jasmin
04-26-2008, 04:12 PM
I don't like Nole but I don't like bashing players. I try to defend but people keep bashing Federer. I even take up for Nadal because he seems so nice. Anyway when you bash players how do you tell others not to bash someone else.

Fee
04-26-2008, 04:13 PM
I agree with what Scoobs has said. Why so many people on here are over hysterical and actually give a shit about other posters bashing their favourite players behind a computer screen, I really don't know.

For me, it's not about who is being bashed, or having it 'affect my mood', it's just that I am sick of seeing good conversations (or potentially good conversations) ruined by haters. As soon as one comes in and throws down his BS smack, then the responses start and the entire thread deteriorates into pettiness pretty quickly. Bam, end of good possibly educational conversation. This happens more and more and more in GM.

I did not see the Fed/Nole match today, it was over before I woke up. It's a waste of time to read through the match thread to find some info or a good description because I know it's just going to be a bunch of children flinging insults at each other and at the players.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 04:15 PM
I think really if you allow random posters on a thread who you don't know at all to affect your emotional state dramatically then it's time to stop and think why. And maybe find ways to stop that happening.

I certainly don't let a bunch of strangers determine my mood.

Check your brains in before logging on here. One thing though if I went over the top and got hysterical about results when I was a kid, luckily I got put in my place very quickly.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 04:15 PM
For me, it's not about who is being bashed, or having it 'affect my mood', it's just that I am sick of seeing good conversations (or potentially good conversations) ruined by haters. As soon as one comes in and throws down his BS smack, then the responses start and the entire thread deteriorates into pettiness pretty quickly. Bam, end of good possibly educational conversation. This happens more and more and more in GM.

Agreed... I actually feel this is getting worse by the day. But then again it could be just my imagination....

scoobs
04-26-2008, 04:16 PM
For me, it's not about who is being bashed, or having it 'affect my mood', it's just that I am sick of seeing good conversations (or potentially good conversations) ruined by haters. As soon as one comes in and throws down his BS smack, then the responses start and the entire thread deteriorates into pettiness pretty quickly. Bam, end of good possibly educational conversation. This happens more and more and more in GM.

I did not see the Fed/Nole match today, it was over before I woke up. It's a waste of time to read through the match thread to find some info or a good description because I know it's just going to be a bunch of children flinging insults at each other and at the players.
A couple of times last year I started a "grownup match discussion" thread to run in parallel with the usual fan flamewar threads posing as a match discussion.

Trouble was, it too descended into bashing - although, I like to think it was a higher standard of bashing...

Dirk
04-26-2008, 04:18 PM
He was asked in his press conference "Novak, do you have a fever" and he said "No." :shrug:

Then he said, "The Dr. said nothing is wrong with me, but he gave the wrong diagnosis."

I said nothing about liars or cowards. Just reporting the facts.

I should have stated that Nole on the Tennis Channel coverage told Fed, "I have a fever" or something to that effect. I heard the word fever just before they went to break so.....

l_mac
04-26-2008, 04:18 PM
A couple of times last year I started a "grownup match discussion" thread to run in parallel with the usual fan flamewar threads posing as a match discussion.

Trouble was, it too descended into bashing - although, I like to think it was a higher standard of bashing...

:lol:

Manon
04-26-2008, 04:27 PM
But what you said is true of the top 3 - there are asshat Fed fans, asshat Nadal fans, and asshat Nole fans. Then there are just the asshat haters who don't seem to like anyone at all. The combination of all these asshats has made GM like a high school cafeteria, with the 'dumb jock' types preening around trying to out-troll each other. The good fans for the top three players have scurried to the player forums and rarely come back to GM for real tennis discussions. It's a shame, I used to learn a lot from this forum.

Thank you for this.

my0118
04-26-2008, 04:32 PM
Oh okay.

NaDALiTa
04-26-2008, 04:32 PM
The simple fact of creating this thread is an incitement to bash Djoke!

Fee
04-26-2008, 04:34 PM
The simple fact of creating this thread is an incitement to bash Djoke!


For losers and asshats, yes.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 04:47 PM
For me it's just pathetic. I feel badly for people who have nothing better to do than be negative and mean on a messageboard to/about people they've never met. Tennis is my hobby, something to distract the stress of daily life. Why would I want to come on here and see nothing but mean stuff? I just don't understand the point. Seeing the amount of hatred people have here for a bunch of athletes that don't affect their lives really blows my mind.

And it's more than just people talking about players. People get personal in GM and there's just no need for that. There's all kinds of nation-bashing and personal insults. When someone disagrees with the norm, they get called stupid or uneducated instead of people simply respectfully disagreeing. So even if it doesn't affect someone's mood, why would someone want to subject him/herself to that kind of treatment when real life already has a lot of shit attached :shrug: And maybe it shouldn't affect the reader so much but sometimes you have a bad day and everything seems to be going wrong and you log on here to try to distract yourself and you get called a name or get insulted and it just makes it all worse. Point is that we don't know each other so it's hard to say "you shouldn't take it too seriously" because we're all different and are coming here for different reasons. It's more of the same kind of generalizations that goes on here, if someone does take it more personally, that's their right and they don't deserve even more insult for it.

It doesn't affect my mood personally, but it affects my view of humanity, because frankly when you see all this BS on a messageboard when people say they "hate" people they've never met, or judging their family or judging their relationships or calling people "ignorant Americans" or insulting someone because their english isn't good or whatever else, it's easy to see why this world has so many fucking problems today. It's just a shame that people can't show others a simple modicum of respect.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 04:49 PM
Can't say as I've ever had a terrific view of humanity, to be honest.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 04:51 PM
Me neither, but seeing the shit on here with all that's going on today sure makes me realize how easy it all is to manifest and how easy it would be to help it a little bit. At least I have my travel message boards where people just share opinions without judging and insulting. That restores my faith a little bit :)

Stensland
04-26-2008, 04:52 PM
@ deboogle

but you're a mod, right? well, why don't you just sanction stupid behaviour like personal insults?

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 04:53 PM
@ deboogle

but you're a mod, right? well, why don't you just sanction stupid behaviour like personal insults?I'm only a mod of the Andy Roddick forum, no one insults anyone there because we are all respectful of one another when we disagree :) And in the Davis Cup forum, there is not really that much discussion.

I have voiced my opinions to the other mods about what goes on in GM, but it is outside my area of moderation so I can't really do much.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 04:53 PM
It doesn't affect my mood or my opinion of humanity to see people behave this way, but it is worse here than other message boards I've frequented in the past and I am confused as to why people go to those lengths. :scratch: Is there really no other way for these people to get their jollies? (Rhetorical question, I know. ;))
Well some of us perv :)

Kitty de Sade
04-26-2008, 04:55 PM
It doesn't affect my mood personally, but it affects my view of humanity, because frankly when you see all this BS on a messageboard when people say they "hate" people they've never met, or judging their family or judging their relationships or calling people "ignorant Americans" or insulting someone because their english isn't good or whatever else, it's easy to see why this world has so many fucking problems today. It's just a shame that people can't show others a simple modicum of respect.

:yeah:

The worst side effect of the internet. Under the guise of anonimity, it makes heroes out of cowards, who say the things online, that they would never have the courage to say in real life.

Speaks volumes about the ones who say it, rather than to whom the trash is directed.

Javy
04-26-2008, 04:57 PM
:rocker2::rocker2::rocker2:Novak is young,I think he need spend more in his psychological aspect.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 04:57 PM
:yeah:

The worst side effect of the internet. Under the guise of anonimity, it makes heroes out of cowards, who say the things online, that they would never have the courage to say in real life.

Speaks volumes about the ones who say it, rather than to whom the trash is directed.Exactly. And I love that the only people who are judged about the internet is those who react sensitively. To those who say "who cares, it's only the internet, why take it personally?" I say, "who cares, it's only the internet, why care enough to be mean?" It goes both ways but no one seems to recognize it.

One of my favorite arguments on this board is that "so and so poster is really a nice person on MSN or in real life, they just do x, y, and z, on the board for fun" - sounds like a big coward to me, someone who is nice to people they actually interact with and a jerk to the others who are just "pixels on a screen" - like you said, says more about those than the ones on the receiving end for sure.

Fee
04-26-2008, 04:57 PM
It doesn't affect my view of humanity, it lowers my opinion of the individual posters. I know that most of them (the asshat, troll hater types specifically) are hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and they are probably meek, repressed losers in real life. They get it out of their system by coming to this forum and insulting people and players that they will never meet in real life instead of engaging in thoughtful, respectful conversation. It was not like this when I first joined this forum, I don't know when it changed or what instigated it, or if it just devolved over time that way.



Edit to add: Well Kitty, GMTA. :)

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 04:59 PM
It was not like this when I first joined this forum, I don't know when it changed or what instigated it, or if it just devolved over time that way.Really? I think it was. It just wasn't as big a board so it wasn't as prevalent. but I remember very shortly after I joined this board, someone said to me flat out and explicitly "I do not respect you as a person because you are a Roddick fan" - ahhhhhhhhh the good old days when it was the Safinettes and Roddick fans who were the groups that didn't get along ;)

Benny_Maths
04-26-2008, 05:00 PM
I don't understand all of the animosity towards Djoker. Sure, it's fine if you don't like him because he has a bigger ego than Federer. But some comments by people in GM suggest that they have a genuine hatred towards him. In any case, even though Novak retired due to 'illness', Fed knows that Faker was just afraid of the humiliation.:D

tangerine_dream
04-26-2008, 05:00 PM
At least I have my travel message boards where people just share opinions without judging and insulting. That restores my faith a little bit :)
I would love to see what a fan war breaking out on a travel board looks like. :lol:

I'm only a mod of the Andy Roddick forum,
That can't be. According to certain people in the know you are MTF's Wizard of OZ.

Alex999
04-26-2008, 05:00 PM
There are many good people on this board and that's why I'm trying to participate the best I can. I try to ignore the bad ones, I simply don't want to waste my time and energy although it can be difficult sometimes :).

scoobs
04-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I take the points that Fee, Kitty and Deb are making, definitely, and I agree with them.

I just take it as inevitable though - it's just human nature and it with sport and competitive endeavours it brings this kind of behaviour out in some people. I find it useless to fight it, so I don't despair about it anymore, I just work around it and do what I want to do.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 05:06 PM
Please, have you seen the Rick-Stevestards and the anti-Rick-Stevestards battling it out in the "Should Palermo be visited in the fall or spring?" thread? :eek::eek::eek: :bolt:
You are adorable.

peteroger
04-26-2008, 05:07 PM
We are not bashing him for his loss to Roger. We are bashing him for his no-sportsmanship on court and his euro-trash family.

I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

Lee
04-26-2008, 05:08 PM
It's a shame that the match was actually a very good one in the first set. But nobody bother to discuss it.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:09 PM
I would love to see what a fan war breaking out on a travel board looks like. :lol:You'd be surprised at how personally people feel about their favorite cities. I once dared say that I liked Brussels more than Amsterdam and it almost got a little nasty ;) It's funny because a lot of the stuff on those boards has to do with cultural differences and appreciation - such as what to expect when you go to Italy or whatever - and people are a whole lot nicer than here, where the stuff is about, oh, a sport. :lol: So when someone comes back from Rome and is like "omg, i can't believe those people hang out their laundry why don't they just buy dryers," fireworks ensue ;)

That can't be. According to certain people in the know you are MTF's Wizard of OZ.:secret: shhhh don't blow my cover!!!

Fee
04-26-2008, 05:09 PM
Really? I think it was. It just wasn't as big a board so it wasn't as prevalent. but I remember very shortly after I joined this board, someone said to me flat out and explicitly "I do not respect you as a person because you are a Roddick fan" - ahhhhhhhhh the good old days when it was the Safinettes and Roddick fans who were the groups that didn't get along ;)

Yeah, I learned A LOT on this forum the first year I joined it. Sure, there were the occasional snarky remarks but there were so many people who would put match reports and observations in the results threads, it was really interesting. Yes, some troll would come along and try to start something, but the adults would just ignore it and keep talking about tennis. Now it seems like the adults are outnumbered by the trolls/haters/asshats and everything descends into sniping.

Remember the good old days when people used their signatures to support the players they liked and only the gamblers posted their black lists?

I also agree with your comment about 'oh so and so is great in real life'. That's complete BS. I've met a number of people from this forum and I'm happy to say that they were all pretty close to what I thought they would be (they would probably say the same about me). I don't understand the desire to put on a facade in a social forum like this one. It strikes me as very immature.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:14 PM
Yeah, I learned A LOT on this forum the first year I joined it. Sure, there were the occasional snarky remarks but there were so many people who would put match reports and observations in the results threads, it was really interesting. Yes, some troll would come along and try to start something, but the adults would just ignore it and keep talking about tennis. Now it seems like the adults are outnumbered by the trolls/haters/asshats and everything descends into sniping.

Remember the good old days when people used their signatures to support the players they liked and only the gamblers posted their black lists?Well yeah, you're right. It was still pretty bad though - even before we came to MTF, the Hewitt fans all but stopped posting in GM completely and formed their little community in his forum. Roddick fans followed quickly once more of us started to join.

I also agree with your comment about 'oh so and so is great in real life'. That's complete BS. I've met a number of people from this forum and I'm happy to say that they were all pretty close to what I thought they would be (they would probably say the same about me). I don't understand the desire to put on a facade in a social forum like this one. It strikes me as very immature.I was gonna say something snarky about you, but you don't deserve it :p :hug:

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 05:15 PM
There are many good people on this board and that's why I'm trying to participate the best I can. I try to ignore the bad ones, I simply don't want to waste my time and energy although it can be difficult sometimes :).

Do what you can, the point scoobs made is valid about sporting message boards, they are usually going to have more extreme reactions, especially when you get clowns who seem to live through results of their fave players. Some grow out of it and others don't.

You can learn from the morons and the arse clowns here, pretty much what not to do.

GugaF1
04-26-2008, 05:16 PM
Great comments Fee. It would be wonderful, if pepole saw it like this. Every thread in here, you have to scan through past several posts, before you can actually find something interesting to read.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:18 PM
Please, have you seen the Rick-Stevestards and the anti-Rick-Stevestards battling it out in the "Should Palermo be visited in the fall or spring?" thread? :eek::eek::eek: :bolt:I'm assuming you were kidding, but you are probably closer to reality than you realize ;) My favorite discussion on the Rick Steves board is whether it's OK to bring old clothes on vacation with you and dump as you go ;) Oh, and the arguments about whether shorts and jeans are Europe-appropriate; people have scarily strong opinions about this ;) And then on TripAdvisor there is the "Rick-Stevestards" versus the "anti-Rick-Stevestards" in general - the people who think he's a travel god and the people who think he's a travel Satan. Good stuff good stuff ;)

Fee
04-26-2008, 05:18 PM
Well yeah, you're right. It was still pretty bad though - even before we came to MTF, the Hewitt fans all but stopped posting in GM completely and formed their little community in his forum. Roddick fans followed quickly once more of us started to join.

I was gonna say something snarky about you, but you don't deserve it :p :hug:

Well, have some olives, see if you can think of something. ;)


I am seriously resisting the urge to post a picture of food in this thread. :lol:

Fed-Express
04-26-2008, 05:18 PM
We are bashing him for his his euro-trash family.

euro-trash? lol, don't get bitter over china's well-deserved reputation :D

l_mac
04-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Oh, and the arguments about whether shorts and jeans are Europe-appropriate; people have scarily strong opinions about this ;)


What do they think we wear in Europe? :scared:

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Well, have some olives, see if you can think of something. ;)

I am seriously resisting the urge to post a picture of food in this thread. :lol::ras: :ras:

(speaking of food, I fear for fresh & easy's chances at success, but we need not go into that here;))What do they think we wear in Europe? :scared:nicer clothes :p It comes up more in discussions about Italy. Also in terms of getting into churches with shorts and tank tops etc. and what to wear to dinner. Etc.

Fee
04-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Great comments Fee. It would be wonderful, if pepole saw it like this. Every thread in here, you have to scan through past several posts, before you can actually find something interesting to read.


Thank you. :)

I agree, and I guess I will have to use that handy ignore list tool, but I hate doing that just in case one of the trolls actually says something worthwhile. It's been known to happen from time to time.

gulzhan
04-26-2008, 05:21 PM
I want to bash Djokovic! :mad: After all, he spoiled my Saturday evening so why shouldn't I? In fact, I am surprised there is no so much of bashing as I expected... I guess people are too busy outing :lol:

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:23 PM
Thank you. :)

I agree, and I guess I will have to use that handy ignore list tool, but I hate doing that just in case one of the trolls actually says something worthwhile. It's been known to happen from time to time.I meant to mention the ignore list. I lurve it.

:spit: Wow, that is WAY too close to my kidding for comfort. :lol: :bolt:I had a feeling ;) But it really is :lol: It's good though, people disagree but still remain relatively nice. There's still a lot of passion, but for example on here, people who say they don't like Federer are accused of not being educated tennis fans, whereas when I talk about skipping the Uffizi gallery, people thank me for saving a space in line for someone who really would appreciate the art more and say they respect me for not just going because everyone says I should. Just a slightly different outlook ;) :)

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:27 PM
:eek: Wow, people respecting different points of view? I'm flabbergasted. ;)shocking, ain't it ;)

l_mac
04-26-2008, 05:27 PM
whereas when I talk about skipping the Uffizi gallery, people thank me for saving a space in line for someone who really would appreciate the art more and say they respect me for not just going because everyone says I should. Just a slightly different outlook ;) :)

Did you skip it? :worship: :worship:

I breezed through it in less than an hour :o but was not strong enough not to go at all.

Fee
04-26-2008, 05:28 PM
I had a feeling ;) But it really is :lol: It's good though, people disagree but still remain relatively nice. There's still a lot of passion, but for example on here, people who say they don't like Federer are accused of not being educated tennis fans, whereas when I talk about skipping the Uffizi gallery, people thank me for saving a space in line for someone who really would appreciate the art more and say they respect me for not just going because everyone says I should. Just a slightly different outlook ;) :)


So, are you saying you are not an educated art fan? ;)





{Dudette, I'm watching semi homemade on Food Network right now and that table setting is giving me veritgo. Ew Paula Dean, must... change... channel...)

GugaF1
04-26-2008, 05:28 PM
I meant to mention the ignore list. I lurve it.

I had a feeling ;) But it really is :lol: It's good though, people disagree but still remain relatively nice. There's still a lot of passion, but for example on here, people who say they don't like Federer are accused of not being educated tennis fans, whereas when I talk about skipping the Uffizi gallery, people thank me for saving a space in line for someone who really would appreciate the art more and say they respect me for not just going because everyone says I should. Just a slightly different outlook ;) :)

Are you Brazilian " Oi eu amo gemeos" rs.. couldn't help but notice it.

Bilbo
04-26-2008, 05:31 PM
If people didn't bash GM would die :shrug:

Aimee :worship:

Herdwick
04-26-2008, 05:35 PM
It doesn't affect my view of humanity, it lowers my opinion of the individual posters. I know that most of them (the asshat, troll hater types specifically) are hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and they are probably meek, repressed losers in real life. They get it out of their system by coming to this forum and insulting people and players that they will never meet in real life instead of engaging in thoughtful, respectful conversation. It was not like this when I first joined this forum, I don't know when it changed or what instigated it, or if it just devolved over time that way.



Fee - another voice of sanity. Appreciated and it does need to be said.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:35 PM
You Brusselstard! :armed:

If Brussels is as delicious as Brussels sprouts then I want to go. :hearts::haha: No, I'm an Italytard :hearts: And proud to admit it too!!!! I found brussels delicious, but I believe in the three food groups: chocolate, waffles, and fries ;)

Did you skip it? :worship: :worship:

I breezed through it in less than an hour :o but was not strong enough not to go at all.
I did skip it :)
So, are you saying you are not an educated art fan? ;)I'm not only not educated, I'm not an art fan at all ;)
{Dudette, I'm watching semi homemade on Food Network right now and that table setting is giving me veritgo. Ew Paula Dean, must... change... channel...)I can't stand Sandra Lee :o I do love me some Paula though
Are you Brazilian " Oi eu amo gemeos" rs.. couldn't help but notice it.No, but being the ignorant American that I am, I enjoy branching out and some fellow Brazilian MTFers are teaching me a bit of Portuguese :)

TMJordan
04-26-2008, 05:37 PM
It's kinda funny how the prick gives out bagles in his last two matches to Murray and Querrey but whe he is losing and not going to win he decides to quit.

What a sack of shit :)

Tytta!.
04-26-2008, 05:37 PM
Are you Brazilian " Oi eu amo gemeos" rs.. couldn't help but notice it.

Deb knows a lot of Portuguese. :D :angel:

l_mac
04-26-2008, 05:38 PM
It's kinda funny how the prick gives out bagles in his last two matches to Murray and Querrey but whe he is losing and not going to win he decides to quit.

What a sack of shit :)

Jordan :lol:

Deboogle!.
04-26-2008, 05:38 PM
Deb knows a lot of Portuguese. :D :angel:sim, if a lot means 10 words;)

Tytta!.
04-26-2008, 05:39 PM
sim, if a lot means 10 words;)

Pfffff, you are almost as good as I am at it. :eek: :angel:

DDrago2
04-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Who is bashing Novak? If you check the press around the internet (and that is far more imoprtant than this place), you will find that no one is.

from www.earthtimes.org (press release), UK:
"Monte Carlo - Roger Federer profited at the expense of sickly Serb Novak Djokovic..."

Jimnik
04-26-2008, 05:49 PM
I really thought this thread would fail but so many good points have been raised. Maybe the title could be changed to "Ignoring bashers, trolls and arses in GM".

alfonsojose
04-26-2008, 05:51 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

Keep quiet :rolleyes: :angel:

siddy
04-26-2008, 05:51 PM
To quote a line from CHICAGO -- "He had it coming... he only had himself to blame"

Branimir
04-26-2008, 06:12 PM
I am Djokovic fan, but he is a pussy, so fuck him. He deserves every bashing he can get. So what if he would have lost 6-2 in the last set? Big deal, it happens! Do not pull from the match when your opponent is apparently ahead of you because of some "respiratory problem" or whatever else! Just play the fucking match until the end, you are obligated to do so! You are suppose to retire when you break something, or when it is really bad out there, not when your opponent has best of you. What Novak did there was just not right. If I payed the ticket to watch semi final of the master series event and one player retired because of some weird problem that is not there when he is winning I would be fucking pissed. Gay.

JediFed
04-26-2008, 06:28 PM
So what if he would have lost 6-2 in the last set?


I'd have said the same if Fed did the same bullshit in the Australian Open. Instead, he played it through right until the bitter end, as hard as it was for us to watch, he had chances.

I just don't get Djokovic, he has nothing to lose being out there on court and learning more of how to play Federer.

JediFed
04-26-2008, 06:29 PM
I miss McEnroe.

I remember what he said about his rivalry with Borg. He said he thought each game was precious, becuase who would know if they would face each other again.

If Djokovic is truly in the same class as these folks, then he'd better smarten up when he plays Federer.

hiperborejac
04-26-2008, 06:29 PM
This thread is made for bashing.

Novak be a man - if you can,
Don't be goose when you lose,
Save your pride when Fed on ride!

RogerFan82
04-26-2008, 06:34 PM
I am Djokovic fan, but he is a pussy, so fuck him. He deserves every bashing he can get. So what if he would have lost 6-2 in the last set? Big deal, it happens! Do not pull from the match when your opponent is apparently ahead of you because of some "respiratory problem" or whatever else! Just play the fucking match until the end, you are obligated to do so! You are suppose to retire when you break something, or when it is really bad out there, not when your opponent has best of you. What Novak did there was just not right. If I payed the ticket to watch semi final of the master series event and one player retired because of some weird problem that is not there when he is winning I would be fucking pissed. Gay.

:yeah::yeah:

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 06:43 PM
1. Ditch the parents at ALL your matches, they should only be there for
finals at the most
2. When your parents do attend, they should act in a dignified manner. See
Federer's parents as an example.
3. Don't retire when you're taking it up the arse. Take your arse-******
like a man. See Nadal - 2008 Chennai, 6-1, 6-0. Took that bunghole ******
like a real Spartan.
4. Don't be such a hypochondriac pussy on the court. It's just a freaking
tennis match, not brain surgery.
5. Don't wear the backwards cap, that's Gasquet's trademark.
6. Stop the stupid impressions, nobody cares to see it anymore.
7. Show proper respect to #1 and #2 in the world. Stop talking about how
you're the "real #1" and all the shit.
8. Just fucking grow up and be a man.

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 06:44 PM
I miss McEnroe.

I remember what he said about his rivalry with Borg. He said he thought each game was precious, becuase who would know if they would face each other again.

If Djokovic is truly in the same class as these folks, then he'd better smarten up when he plays Federer.

Exactly, he doesn't appreciate playing the JesusFed.

finishingmove
04-26-2008, 06:46 PM
I am Djokovic fan, but he is a pussy, so fuck him. He deserves every bashing he can get. So what if he would have lost 6-2 in the last set? Big deal, it happens! Do not pull from the match when your opponent is apparently ahead of you because of some "respiratory problem" or whatever else! Just play the fucking match until the end, you are obligated to do so! You are suppose to retire when you break something, or when it is really bad out there, not when your opponent has best of you. What Novak did there was just not right. If I payed the ticket to watch semi final of the master series event and one player retired because of some weird problem that is not there when he is winning I would be fucking pissed. Gay.

:yeah::yeah:

great minds...

hilluis
04-26-2008, 07:04 PM
and another who completely agrees. Despicable behaviour... sore throat and dizziness???

safin-rules-no.1
04-26-2008, 07:05 PM
1. Ditch the parents at ALL your matches, they should only be there for
finals at the most
2. When your parents do attend, they should act in a dignified manner. See
Federer's parents as an example.
3. Don't retire when you're taking it up the arse. Take your arse-******
like a man. See Nadal - 2008 Chennai, 6-1, 6-0. Took that bunghole ******
like a real Spartan.
4. Don't be such a hypochondriac pussy on the court. It's just a freaking
tennis match, not brain surgery.
5. Don't wear the backwards cap, that's Gasquet's trademark.
6. Stop the stupid impressions, nobody cares to see it anymore.
7. Show proper respect to #1 and #2 in the world. Stop talking about how
you're the "real #1" and all the shit.
8. Just fucking grow up and be a man.

this just gave me an erection

hiperborejac
04-26-2008, 07:21 PM
1. Ditch the parents at ALL your matches, they should only be there for
finals at the most
2. When your parents do attend, they should act in a dignified manner. See
Federer's parents as an example.
3. Don't retire when you're taking it up the arse. Take your arse-******
like a man. See Nadal - 2008 Chennai, 6-1, 6-0. Took that bunghole ******
like a real Spartan.
4. Don't be such a hypochondriac pussy on the court. It's just a freaking
tennis match, not brain surgery.
5. Don't wear the backwards cap, that's Gasquet's trademark.
6. Stop the stupid impressions, nobody cares to see it anymore.
7. Show proper respect to #1 and #2 in the world. Stop talking about how
you're the "real #1" and all the shit.
8. Just fucking grow up and be a man.

1. Agree. It's more likable too see only his girlfriend and brothers. Dijana and Srdjan should really find some hobbies if they has nothing to do.

2. Why any1 should be bothered by their acting! They have right to cheer the way they want till don't distract players on the court. Classless or not that's no matter if Novak feels positive by their presence.

3.:yeah: Stay till end. Anything can happen if he fight till end. No matter how he plays.

4.Right! Again bad habit, hopefully he is working his stamina and breathing so this injury TO won't be so often.

5.Tactical. Do you remember Fed when Gasgay beat you ;)

6.It's ok when he don't impressions of tennis player.

7. Don't remember when he disrespected them. He always talk that Roger is one the best ever, and Rafa one of the best ever on clay! And where did you read he told "I'm the real #1"!

8. By all points it seems you really think that Novak is Feds successor. Only need to do all that :)

FiBeR
04-26-2008, 07:23 PM
:baby:

thesonofgray
04-26-2008, 10:20 PM
For me it's just pathetic. I feel badly for people who have nothing better to do than be negative and mean on a messageboard to/about people they've never met. Tennis is my hobby, something to distract the stress of daily life. Why would I want to come on here and see nothing but mean stuff? I just don't understand the point. Seeing the amount of hatred people have here for a bunch of athletes that don't affect their lives really blows my mind.

And it's more than just people talking about players. People get personal in GM and there's just no need for that. There's all kinds of nation-bashing and personal insults. When someone disagrees with the norm, they get called stupid or uneducated instead of people simply respectfully disagreeing. So even if it doesn't affect someone's mood, why would someone want to subject him/herself to that kind of treatment when real life already has a lot of shit attached :shrug: And maybe it shouldn't affect the reader so much but sometimes you have a bad day and everything seems to be going wrong and you log on here to try to distract yourself and you get called a name or get insulted and it just makes it all worse. Point is that we don't know each other so it's hard to say "you shouldn't take it too seriously" because we're all different and are coming here for different reasons. It's more of the same kind of generalizations that goes on here, if someone does take it more personally, that's their right and they don't deserve even more insult for it.

It doesn't affect my mood personally, but it affects my view of humanity, because frankly when you see all this BS on a messageboard when people say they "hate" people they've never met, or judging their family or judging their relationships or calling people "ignorant Americans" or insulting someone because their english isn't good or whatever else, it's easy to see why this world has so many fucking problems today. It's just a shame that people can't show others a simple modicum of respect.

...which is the reason I rarely come here to read or post (as well as quite a few other tennis fans I know). It's a shame, really, since there is a lot of good info and analysis here, but it's like finding a few needles in a barn filled with haystacks.

It's kind of funny...the first day I joined MTF (but after much lurking) I spent half an hour in one thread reporting all of the posts I found to be insulting/degrading/offensive/what-have-you. But I quickly realized nearly ALL of the threads on this forum had and will have just as much, if not more, virtual defecation in them, so it simply wasn't worth it.

I'm a member of many online communities, tennis-focused and otherwise, and I can honestly say that the conduct here at MTF would be tolerated at NONE of them.

As a Moderator at MTF, I'm relieved to read your distaste for the awful conduct here. But why don't you and the rest of the MTF team do something about it? Sure, you'll lose some members but their contribution here was nil to begin with. And you'll most likely gain valuable members with half a brain in the process.

In the other forums I belong to, moderators have no fear in using the warn, ban, and delete function, and it makes those places all the better. I would suggest (IMHO) that the MTF moderator team do the same, if not for the sanity of yourselves, then for the sake of this board.

I'll probably go now and stay away from MTF just long enough for me to naively think that there's something thoughtful and worthwhile to read and discuss on this forum.

:wavey:

Apolix
04-26-2008, 10:35 PM
Good thread Apemant, although to be completely honest, I believe Nole does deserve criticism for this move, it was stupid, regardless of whether he was sick or not, he could and should have finished the final set. Itís not fair to his fans.

Additionally, such moves have been practised by other players (even recently) and didnít receive such scrutiny or attack. And lets be honest, fans in the stage (including parents) should stay quiet throughout key moment in the match, but regardless, for a player to yell out "Be Quiet!" directly to someone in the stage (over such a trivial thing, I mean, they were not hurling insults at him) and especially to the parents of a colleague, it is completely rude and classless, and if it was any other two tennis players playing, that player would be much more scrutinized and reprehended for doing this.

Oh, and as mentioned in a previous post, attacking someone's family in such vile and abusive ways, calling them "trash and garage" including their two young sons, innocently wishing their older brother well... It made me sick to my stomach. These are todayís "classy" Tennis fans? These are same people who criticize others on their "class"? Unbelievable.

Novak needs to mature. He's still stuck in teenage mentality. His parents seem like the typical type who push, push, and push their children to succeed and win under any circumstances, where thatís all that is important. This is a bad way to be brought up and appreciate sport. There more to winning and looking good. I don't think they're giving him room to breath and he has to break free and realize whatís good for him.

Anyways, better luck next time, and congrats Fed. :)

Allure
04-26-2008, 10:58 PM
Good thread Apemant, although to be completely honest, I believe Nole does deserve criticism for this move, it was stupid, regardless of whether he was sick or not, he could and should have finished the final set. Itís not fair to his fans.

Additionally, such moves have been practised by other players (even recently) and didnít receive such scrutiny or attack. And lets be honest, fans in the stage (including parents) should stay quiet throughout key moment in the match, but regardless, for a player to yell out "Be Quiet!" directly to someone in the stage (over such a trivial thing, I mean, they were not hurling insults at him) and especially to the parents of a colleague, it is completely rude and classless, and if it was any other two tennis players playing, that player would be much more scrutinized and reprehended for doing this.

Oh, and as mentioned in a previous post, attacking someone's family in such vile and abusive ways, calling them "trash and garage" including their two young sons, innocently wishing their older brother well... It made me sick to my stomach. These are todayís "classy" Tennis fans? These are same people who criticize others on their "class"? Unbelievable.

Novak needs to mature. He's still stuck in teenage mentality. His parents seem like the typical type who push, push, and push their children to succeed and win under any circumstances, where thatís all that is important. This is a bad way to be brought up and appreciate sport. There more to winning and looking good. I don't think they're giving him room to breath and he has to break free and realize whatís good for him.

Anyways, better luck next time, and congrats Fed. :)

I don't see anyone calling Djokovic's parents a garage. :confused:

Lee
04-26-2008, 11:00 PM
I don't see anyone calling Djokovic's parents a garage. :confused:

Stop jerking off over Djokovic shirtless posters and go back to school. :wavey:

Very classy posts by a classy federer fan.

ryan23
04-26-2008, 11:01 PM
With a title called 'Don't bash Novak' you must be asking for a bashing!

finishingmove
04-26-2008, 11:01 PM
I agree he should ditch his parents... they are too distracting (to anyone , let alone him)

As for his retirement(s) i think its none of anyone's business.Maybe he has some chronic health problems? Or he just sent it all to hell because things weren't going his way. Either way its understandable.Both fit into his character.To be slightly biased now, I'll say the doctor yesterday should've given him some placebo since he explicitly asked for help.He seemed to have had a significant drop in the 7th game of the match,from which he never fully recovered.Started missing everything, something was bugging him...Even a sore throat can cause a significant lapse in concentration, especially considering he was already under pressure playing Roger etc.

I can also say that I'm disappointed , and feel cheated in a way , with this outcome, just like after the DC match (or any of the previous ones...) , but I support his decission if that works best for him... I just hope he can put an end to these. Permanently.

ryan23
04-26-2008, 11:03 PM
I don't care about novak's fans, roger's fans, or any fans.

I was cheering for Novak when he won AO, but what Novak did left a very bad taste in my mouth. If he had lost 6-0 in the second and taken it like a man, I would still respect him.

But what he did was a bitch move, and he deserves nothing but criticism for it.

What happened to the tough guys in tennis? What happened to fighting and sticking it out. If anything, out of respect for Roger, keep playing.

There arent many men playing today that have the tougness and fighting spirit most act like poofs or women who are on there period!

Apemant
04-26-2008, 11:03 PM
Good thread Apemant, although to be completely honest, I believe Nole does deserve criticism for this move, it was stupid, regardless of whether he was sick or not, he could and should have finished the final set. Itís not fair to his fans.

Of course he needs criticism. I'm all for it. But what's the point of the stream of 40 insults in a row? Of course, he doesn't read this forum, good for him. But his fans can't possibly read all that, not feeling very bad about it. They will just wait the next chance to spew all that bitterness back, and so on, and so forth.

I guess it's the way things work. :shrug:

l_mac
04-26-2008, 11:07 PM
Of course he needs criticism. I'm all for it. But what's the point of the stream of 40 insults in a row? Of course, he doesn't read this forum, good for him. But his fans can't possibly read all that, not feeling very bad about it. They will just wait the next chance to spew all that bitterness back, and so on, and so forth.

I guess it's the way things work. :shrug:

But soon there will be a new kid on the block to hate on ... look how the Fed and Nadal fans have bonded :inlove:

Although I fear this will be a short lived union. Maybe ending tomorrow.

finishingmove
04-26-2008, 11:10 PM
They will just wait the next chance to spew all that bitterness back, and so on, and so forth.

I guess it's the way things work. :shrug:

No. Thats how some people forumfolk work.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 11:21 PM
Although I fear this will be a short lived union. Maybe ending tomorrow.

:lol:
I admit in advance that I'll be mighty pissed off if their match tomorrow turns out to be a replica of the last year's one.

But if they both play well and Nadal comes on top, so be it. He's just too damn tough a cookie on clay I guess.

bokehlicious
04-26-2008, 11:22 PM
look how the Fed and Nadal fans have bonded :inlove:

Although I fear this will be a short lived union. Maybe ending tomorrow.

:confused: :shrug: you'll surely hate us again if Nadal fails to win, but most Fedtards are more than pleased already and expect Fed to take a beatdown tomorrow, we'll still love you :shrug: :angel: :p

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Djoko deserves to be bashed. If he was hurting that bad, he should have raised his hand and retired during the 2-2 game. Yet he waited until he got broke and immediately retired. What a *joke*

Allure
04-26-2008, 11:25 PM
Very classy posts by a classy federer fan.

I'm as classy as any Djoko fan. :angel:

RagingLamb
04-26-2008, 11:37 PM
...which is the reason I rarely come here to read or post (as well as quite a few other tennis fans I know). It's a shame, really, since there is a lot of good info and analysis here, but it's like finding a few needles in a barn filled with haystacks.

It's kind of funny...the first day I joined MTF (but after much lurking) I spent half an hour in one thread reporting all of the posts I found to be insulting/degrading/offensive/what-have-you. But I quickly realized nearly ALL of the threads on this forum had and will have just as much, if not more, virtual defecation in them, so it simply wasn't worth it.

I'm a member of many online communities, tennis-focused and otherwise, and I can honestly say that the conduct here at MTF would be tolerated at NONE of them.

As a Moderator at MTF, I'm relieved to read your distaste for the awful conduct here. But why don't you and the rest of the MTF team do something about it? Sure, you'll lose some members but their contribution here was nil to begin with. And you'll most likely gain valuable members with half a brain in the process.

In the other forums I belong to, moderators have no fear in using the warn, ban, and delete function, and it makes those places all the better. I would suggest (IMHO) that the MTF moderator team do the same, if not for the sanity of yourselves, then for the sake of this board.

I'll probably go now and stay away from MTF just long enough for me to naively think that there's something thoughtful and worthwhile to read and discuss on this forum.

:wavey:

that's what I wondered when I first joined. set clear rules, and enforce them.

it'll really improve the quality of the forum. think of how many insightful people stay away from MTF because of its childish nature. we only have something to gain from discipline.

I'd like to become a mod and help out, but don't know how to do it.

Lee
04-26-2008, 11:37 PM
I'm as classy as any Djoko fan. :angel:

:shrug: Djoko fans don't proclaim themselves classy like those Fed fans in this thread. But if you claim you're classless, who am I to argue with you.

And the classless remarks about Djoko fans are also claimed by some Fed fans, not Djoko fans.

Allure
04-26-2008, 11:42 PM
:shrug: Djoko fans don't proclaim themselves classy like those Fed fans in this thread. But if you claim you're classless, who am I to argue with you.

And the classless remarks about Djoko fans are also claimed by some Fed fans, not Djoko fans.

So you're basically admitting that Djokotards are classless. ;)

Lee
04-26-2008, 11:44 PM
:shrug: Djoko fans don't proclaim themselves classy like those Fed fans in this thread. But if you claim you're classless, who am I to argue with you.

And the classless remarks about Djoko fans are also claimed by some Fed fans, not Djoko fans.

So you're basically admitting that Djokotards are classless. ;)

reading comprehension?

Apolix
04-26-2008, 11:48 PM
...which is the reason I rarely come here to read or post (as well as quite a few other tennis fans I know). It's a shame, really, since there is a lot of good info and analysis here, but it's like finding a few needles in a barn filled with haystacks.

It's kind of funny...the first day I joined MTF (but after much lurking) I spent half an hour in one thread reporting all of the posts I found to be insulting/degrading/offensive/what-have-you. But I quickly realized nearly ALL of the threads on this forum had and will have just as much, if not more, virtual defecation in them, so it simply wasn't worth it.

I'm a member of many online communities, tennis-focused and otherwise, and I can honestly say that the conduct here at MTF would be tolerated at NONE of them.

As a Moderator at MTF, I'm relieved to read your distaste for the awful conduct here. But why don't you and the rest of the MTF team do something about it? Sure, you'll lose some members but their contribution here was nil to begin with. And you'll most likely gain valuable members with half a brain in the process.

In the other forums I belong to, moderators have no fear in using the warn, ban, and delete function, and it makes those places all the better. I would suggest (IMHO) that the MTF moderator team do the same, if not for the sanity of yourselves, then for the sake of this board.

I'll probably go now and stay away from MTF just long enough for me to naively think that there's something thoughtful and worthwhile to read and discuss on this forum.

:wavey:



100% agree. I have been moderator on numerous forums both sport and non sport related, and I am shocked at what is tolerated here.

I recently sent an email to the admins's outlining my concerns, and that fact that the "rules" as stated in the "General Messeges rules" thread are being completly ignored, and nothing is being done. Imagine, the second rule in the thread is "Do not open threads with the sole purpose of bashing a player".

This is unbelievable. The forum has so much potential with this traffic rate, but not enough is being done to implement its rules, which keep it stable and professional.

Refering to the following:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059

l_mac
04-26-2008, 11:53 PM
:lol:
I admit in advance that I'll be mighty pissed off if their match tomorrow turns out to be a replica of the last year's one.

But if they both play well and Nadal comes on top, so be it. He's just too damn tough a cookie on clay I guess.
Jinxer :mad:
:confused: :shrug: you'll surely hate us again if Nadal fails to win, but most Fedtards are more than pleased already and expect Fed to take a beatdown tomorrow, we'll still love you :shrug: :angel: :p

I wasn't talking about me and my fave Fedtards :hug: I'll be unbearable tomorrow, whether Nadal wins or loses. You know that. I was more talking about this general "Nadal isn't as bad as Nole" vibe coming from the Fed fans.

Everyone knows the Rafatards, in general, are sweet and humble just like their idol :inlove:

Allure
04-27-2008, 12:04 AM
reading comprehension?

Note that I said I'm classy as any Djokofan. You say that I claimed I was classless. Therefore, you are implying that Djokotards are classless. :wavey:

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 12:04 AM
100% agree. I have been moderator on numerous forums both sport and non sport related, and I am shocked at what is tolerated here.

I recently sent an email to the admins's outlining my concerns, and that fact that the "rules" as stated in the "General Messeges rules" thread are being completly ignored, and nothing is being done. Imagine, the second rule in the thread is "Do not open threads with the sole purpose of bashing a player".

This is unbelievable. The forum has so much potential with this traffic rate, but not enough is being done to implement its rules, which keep it stable and professional.

Refering to the following:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059

By MTF's (attempt at twisted) logic, the more bashers you have, the greater player you are. Also, the most venomous posters like to brag about "all that being good-natured fun".

It seems to me that this board is much more of a 1) psycho-drama playground, 2) a prosthetic device for a life - than a tennis chat&info venue. Maybe the moderators need it that way, actually?

Lee
04-27-2008, 12:07 AM
Note that I said I'm classy as any Djokofan. You say that I claimed I was classless. Therefore, you are implying that Djokotards are classless. :wavey:

But you're a Fed fan and claimed Djokofan classless.

Deboogle!.
04-27-2008, 12:19 AM
100% agree. I have been moderator on numerous forums both sport and non sport related, and I am shocked at what is tolerated here.

I recently sent an email to the admins's outlining my concerns, and that fact that the "rules" as stated in the "General Messeges rules" thread are being completly ignored, and nothing is being done. Imagine, the second rule in the thread is "Do not open threads with the sole purpose of bashing a player".

This is unbelievable. The forum has so much potential with this traffic rate, but not enough is being done to implement its rules, which keep it stable and professional.

Refering to the following:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059the only thing I can offer is to PM one of the supermods - not the site admins - but one of the supermods, listed here all the way at the bottom http://www.menstennisforums.com/showgroups.php (yes oddly enough labeled "Admins"). Threads ARE deleted sometimes when the intent is clear. Sometimes the intent isn't as clear and a judgment call must be made :shrug:

Also, for some reason people are reluctant to report posts. Hit the button, report the posts, explain why it is inappropriate and why it breaks the rules. It's the only way the mods can do anything.

Bernard Black
04-27-2008, 12:40 AM
Just my two cents, but I think people are being a tad sensitive. This is a sports messageboard and you have to expect banter between fans. If you see a thread you don't like the look of, then do yourself a favour and don't read it. I like that you're allowed to express your opinion freely here, that's what makes it so addictive!

Bascule
04-27-2008, 12:54 AM
By MTF's (attempt at twisted) logic, the more bashers you have, the greater player you are. Also, the most venomous posters like to brag about "all that being good-natured fun".

It seems to me that this board is much more of a 1) psycho-drama playground, 2) a prosthetic device for a life - than a tennis chat&info venue. Maybe the moderators need it that way, actually?

So, mods should be banned for good and then find the new ones.:)

TMJordan
04-27-2008, 01:37 AM
So, mods should be banned for good and then find the new ones.:)

:yeah:

tennizen
04-27-2008, 01:53 AM
I think people are in complaining mode about GM:lol: Since I joined here this place has always been like this and I don't have a problem with it most of the time. I think most normal/sane tennis discussion happen in the huge chat threads outside of GM. I don't know why every once in a while there is a collective urge to clean GM up:lol: GM is where you learn to deal with insults of all kinds and offer them back yourself. I agree with the poster who says this is a sports message board and banter among fans is expected. Lots of people tend to use other forums for serious tennis discussion and come here to rile up other fans or praise their own favorites to death. Works great for me and here I think there is a lot of freedom to vent which you can't do elsewhere:lol:

Bascule
04-27-2008, 01:57 AM
MTF = source of venting, comfort and...inspiration.:)

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 02:03 AM
MTF = source of venting, comfort and...inspiration.:)

Yea, comes cheaper than Xanax and/or acid, and you don't have to dress up slash sell your body to get it.

Then obviously the rules have to be rewritten, along the lines of "feel free to bash whoever you see fit - a player, a poster, a third party", since the way it is, GM is a complete ridicule of the current statute.

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 02:31 AM
:lol::lol::lol:

someone give Farenhajt a big box of tissues please

:haha:

tennizen
04-27-2008, 02:36 AM
Farenhajt, I wish I could nominate you to be a mod. Then you would never have had your three week ban and you would have us all worshipping Nole in no time:sad:

BaggyGreen92
04-27-2008, 02:54 AM
No one should bash Novak...........Just his player box.

peteroger
04-27-2008, 03:10 AM
I'm sorry I'm not talking about politics and not interested in talking about it here at all. Nothing offensive to Serbian people. I like Jakovic and Ivanovic. But the Joker family is trashy with no doubt based on their comments and behavior on and off the court.

We Chinese have our belief what kind of people we are and we should be. It doesnt matter to us at all how Americans think about others; it doesnt matter at all how much crap Americans talk about others--most of you couldn't even tell where Asia is on a globe. You can think you are over the top of the world, as you did. But let's see what will happen in five ten years.

Again apology to the administrator here--I don't have any intention to talk about politics here but just need to fight back when offended.

euro-trash? lol, don't get bitter over china's well-deserved reputation :D

mangoes
04-27-2008, 03:22 AM
By MTF's (attempt at twisted) logic, the more bashers you have, the greater player you are. Also, the most venomous posters like to brag about "all that being good-natured fun".

It seems to me that this board is much more of a 1) psycho-drama playground, 2) a prosthetic device for a life - than a tennis chat&info venue. Maybe the moderators need it that way, actually?

If you, of all posters, are going to whine like a child about this stuff, then you better put yourself first on the list of posters that should be banned for bashing players. You bash other players, mainly Roger, in each of your post, then cry foul when others call the love of your life, Djerk, a cheater, wimp, arrogant prick, punk....etc....

Most of your posts are full of venom and you run around GM like a child high on candy begging everyone to admire your shiny toy:rolleyes: :rolleyes: If there is any justice, you'd be banned for the hypocrisy of your post...

Youíve brought a sour taste to GM, yet youíre the one complaining. Ironic. MTF is MTF. Deal with it or leave......

Allure
04-27-2008, 03:23 AM
If you, of all posters, are going to whine like a child about this stuff, then you better put yourself first on the list of posters that should be banned for bashing players. You bash other players, mainly Roger, in each of your post, then cry foul when others call the love of your life, Djerk, a cheater, wimp, arrogant prick, punk....etc....

Most of your posts are full of venom and you run around GM like a child high on candy begging everyone to admire your shiny toy:rolleyes: :rolleyes: If there is any justice, you'd be banned for the hypocrisy of your post...

Youíve brought a sour taste to GM, yet youíre the one complaining. Ironic. MTF is MTF. Deal with it or leave......

Lol exactly. He/she/It gets mad when posters bash Djoko but look at his/her/its sig. :rolleyes:

mangoes
04-27-2008, 03:28 AM
100% agree. I have been moderator on numerous forums both sport and non sport related, and I am shocked at what is tolerated here.

I recently sent an email to the admins's outlining my concerns, and that fact that the "rules" as stated in the "General Messeges rules" thread are being completly ignored, and nothing is being done. Imagine, the second rule in the thread is "Do not open threads with the sole purpose of bashing a player".

This is unbelievable. The forum has so much potential with this traffic rate, but not enough is being done to implement its rules, which keep it stable and professional.

Refering to the following:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90059


Oh please:rolleyes::rolleyes:.......No harm is done on this board. When a post or thread is inappropriately offensive, it is immediately deleted. I like this board, over others, for many reasons. One of them has to do with the freedom to express myself without a mod breathing down my neck........something you are suggesting should change.

As is, MTF is a nice forum.... There are many tennis forums. If MTF doesn't fit with your taste, I'm sure you can find a tennis forum that better suits your sensibilities. I honestly hope the administrators sent your e-mail to the appropriate folder marked DELETE.

jeahhh!
04-27-2008, 03:42 AM
Every time I see this thread title I feel like this....... LEAVE NOVAK ALONE!!!!! :hysteric: :hysteric:


:shrug:

Deboogle!.
04-27-2008, 04:08 AM
Every time I see this thread title I feel like this....... LEAVE NOVAK ALONE!!!!! :hysteric: :hysteric:


:shrug:Well Aimee, get out the webcam, get it on youtube, and make it happen! :p

Allure
04-27-2008, 04:10 AM
Is Chris Crocker up to the task? :p

jeahhh!
04-27-2008, 04:16 AM
Well Aimee, get out the webcam, get it on youtube, and make it happen! :p
No way I can compete with the genius that is Chris Crocker though. :(
Is Chris Crocker up to the task? :p

I should try to find out. :D

Deboogle!.
04-27-2008, 04:16 AM
I dunno, the guy who did the Kolya one was pretty good :p

Allure
04-27-2008, 04:17 AM
If Chris is too busy, Farenjait can do it. He lives in his grandparents' basement anyways. :)

Johnny Groove
04-27-2008, 04:23 AM
By MTF's (attempt at twisted) logic, the more bashers you have, the greater player you are. Also, the most venomous posters like to brag about "all that being good-natured fun".

It seems to me that this board is much more of a 1) psycho-drama playground, 2) a prosthetic device for a life - than a tennis chat&info venue. Maybe the moderators need it that way, actually?

Oh yeah, because you've never bashed anyone in your time here, right?

Magenta
04-27-2008, 04:23 AM
I'm quite amazed that people have the time or will to despise someone so much.

It says much more about them than any tennis player.

jeahhh!
04-27-2008, 04:34 AM
I dunno, the guy who did the Kolya one was pretty good :p
Touche :lol:
I don't think I'm passionate enough about this to pull it off though.
If Chris is too busy, Farenjait can do it. He lives in his grandparents' basement anyways. :)
I bet he could make a good one. :D

leng jai
04-27-2008, 04:46 AM
Most unrealistic thread title on GM ever. Thats a monumental achievement considering this is MTF.

Merton
04-27-2008, 05:46 AM
Well, just my $0.02 here:

-Fans that see a critique of a favourite player should not take that as meaning that they are somehow forced to stop being fans of the particular player.
-Posters should not make the point "how can you support player X when he has done so and so". If somebody supports player X, it is their choice doing so.
-Making the point "since you support/attack player X you must be a jerk" is neither helpful nor insightful.
-Attacking posters is irrelevant with respect to a specific issue discussed. "Poster X is a jerk so his opinion means nothing" is not a very good argument.

Fee
04-27-2008, 06:25 AM
I'm sorry I'm not talking about politics and not interested in talking about it here at all. Nothing offensive to Serbian people. I like Jakovic and Ivanovic. But the Joker family is trashy with no doubt based on their comments and behavior on and off the court.

We Chinese have our belief what kind of people we are and we should be. It doesnt matter to us at all how Americans think about others; it doesnt matter at all how much crap Americans talk about others--most of you couldn't even tell where Asia is on a globe. You can think you are over the top of the world, as you did. But let's see what will happen in five ten years.

Again apology to the administrator here--I don't have any intention to talk about politics here but just need to fight back when offended.


"Hi pot, this is the kettle. You're black."


Yes, that is completely stolen from an episode of Friends. PeteRoger, please address your post to the INDIVIDUAL who made it and leave me and the rest of the residents of the country I live in the hell out of it. Thanks.

Apolix
04-27-2008, 06:30 AM
Oh please:rolleyes::rolleyes:.......No harm is done on this board. When a post or thread is inappropriately offensive, it is immediately deleted. I like this board, over others, for many reasons. One of them has to do with the freedom to express myself without a mod breathing down my neck........something you are suggesting should change.

As is, MTF is a nice forum.... There are many tennis forums. If MTF doesn't fit with your taste, I'm sure you can find a tennis forum that better suits your sensibilities. I honestly hope the administrators sent your e-mail to the appropriate folder marked DELETE.


Glad you like the forum, because so do I, and a lot of other people too, but that doesn't mean creative criticism should be censored. After all, if you like something, your goal often is to make it better.

As far as the notion of "don’t like it, leave" and rest of your post, well I hope this isn't the case, and I hope (and believe) the Admins do take it into consideration what their members think. A forum, is just like any organization, if you don’t listen to what your members/stakeholders have to say, things often go downhill. No problem in learning what others think and their opinions on improvement, that’s what makes forums/organizations better, not worse.

Plus, I am sure a lot of people don't like what they see here yet simple don't speak up or just leave. In effect, nothing changes, more of the same behaviours is encouraged, and the forum becomes even worse. I don’t see how that’s good for the Admins if they want to increase membership.

Regardless, the forums a great place, just could use some basic improvement.

thesonofgray
04-27-2008, 08:52 AM
Glad you like the forum, because so do I, and a lot of other people too, but that doesn't mean creative criticism should be censored. After all, if you like something, your goal often is to make it better.

As far as the notion of "donít like it, leave" and rest of your post, well I hope this isn't the case, and I hope (and believe) the Admins do take it into consideration what their members think. A forum, is just like any organization, if you donít listen to what your members/stakeholders have to say, things often go downhill. No problem in learning what others think and their opinions on improvement, thatís what makes forums/organizations better, not worse.

Plus, I am sure a lot of people don't like what they see here yet simple don't speak up or just leave. In effect, nothing changes, more of the same behaviours is encouraged, and the forum becomes even worse. I donít see how thatís good for the Admins if they want to increase membership.

Regardless, the forums a great place, just could use some basic improvement.

This is very true, judging by the number of reputation thingies I received from my one other post buried in this thread. I'm guessing most keep their discontent quiet due to the level of hostility against basically anything and everything in GM and elsewhere. So, in effect, instead of having moderators breathing down your back (i.e. enforcing the rules) and therefore creating a civil atmosphere where those can discuss the finer points of men's tennis, we have a lively assortment of "asshats" breathing down the backs (i.e. trolling) of everyone who steps their foot into MTF's door.

Since this latest move by Novak, I actually saw (or rather read) people in the Serbia forum who seemed truly disturbed and distressed by the sheer volume of completely vile garbage filling the GM. It was pretty universally understood that Novak fans would have to evacuate the general forums or face the wrath of MTF. And I'm sure it would have been the same for Federer fans if today's outcome was different. This site is like the virtual tennis forum version of European football riots. Is that what you really want this forum to be like?

I'd personally much rather have a few enforcing some common sense rules than a nitwitted free-for-all bashing fest that seems to be the accepted norm in GM. A seemingly civil discussion about Novak's fitness level or Roger's bat with mono will almost certainly descend into some idiotic contest to see who can come up with the best demeaning word to add to his last name, or a string of ignorant, stereotypical characterizations of an entire nation's people, or a puzzling and completely random list of pictures of snack foods and/or desserts. The first scenario makes me :rolleyes:, the second makes me :mad:, and the last is just :confused:...none of which makes me :). (Smilies are fun)

I'm all for constructive criticism, intelligent discussion, and lighthearted jabs at the opposition, but the level of mindless bashing here is way too extreme, IMO. It's not that I or others can't "handle" it. It's just that it has gotten in the way of discussing...well...tennis. Those are my observations, anyways. I'll stop bitching now so you can get back to your "this is where we laugh at ____'s misfortunes because we hate his guts" threads. :)

Kuhne
04-27-2008, 10:12 AM
Why not? he sucks ass

krystlel
04-27-2008, 10:18 AM
I think a lot of us are just resigned to the fact that things won't change. There has always been a lack of moderation on this board, and I agree that this board could be a lot better if the moderation was much stricter. I still think it's a lot better than all other tennis forums that have a large membership though.

ShotmaKer
04-27-2008, 11:48 AM
Well fact is that you can't bash somebody and then not expect to get it back in your face when it comes to your player's turn to be bashed... That's it!!

Apolix
04-27-2008, 04:29 PM
This is very true, judging by the number of reputation thingies I received from my one other post buried in this thread. I'm guessing most keep their discontent quiet due to the level of hostility against basically anything and everything in GM and elsewhere. So, in effect, instead of having moderators breathing down your back (i.e. enforcing the rules) and therefore creating a civil atmosphere where those can discuss the finer points of men's tennis, we have a lively assortment of "asshats" breathing down the backs (i.e. trolling) of everyone who steps their foot into MTF's door.

Since this latest move by Novak, I actually saw (or rather read) people in the Serbia forum who seemed truly disturbed and distressed by the sheer volume of completely vile garbage filling the GM. It was pretty universally understood that Novak fans would have to evacuate the general forums or face the wrath of MTF. And I'm sure it would have been the same for Federer fans if today's outcome was different. This site is like the virtual tennis forum version of European football riots. Is that what you really want this forum to be like?

I'd personally much rather have a few enforcing some common sense rules than a nitwitted free-for-all bashing fest that seems to be the accepted norm in GM. A seemingly civil discussion about Novak's fitness level or Roger's bat with mono will almost certainly descend into some idiotic contest to see who can come up with the best demeaning word to add to his last name, or a string of ignorant, stereotypical characterizations of an entire nation's people, or a puzzling and completely random list of pictures of snack foods and/or desserts. The first scenario makes me :rolleyes:, the second makes me :mad:, and the last is just :confused:...none of which makes me :). (Smilies are fun)

I'm all for constructive criticism, intelligent discussion, and lighthearted jabs at the opposition, but the level of mindless bashing here is way too extreme, IMO. It's not that I or others can't "handle" it. It's just that it has gotten in the way of discussing...well...tennis. Those are my observations, anyways. I'll stop bitching now so you can get back to your "this is where we laugh at ____'s misfortunes because we hate his guts" threads. :)


It’s safe to say we see eye to eye on pretty much all of this. I do wish people would not "evacuate" as you say. It’s pointless and weak. You let the idiots win. People should contact moderators if they got problems or address it directly.

I think mod's should be entrusted and encouraged to use their powers much more often. Any argument about "mods breathing down your back" is invalid, as I posted on a Sport forum before were mods were extremely liberal when it came to exercising powers, yet I always was able to say whatever I wanted (in a civilized way) whether it was positive or critical.

safinalium
04-27-2008, 04:39 PM
Why not, most of the people here make their days by bashing players. :rolleyes: Nobody forces you to like a player but I think that someone like Nole who is currently ranked number 3 in the world, won a GS this year and gave us all the opportunity to watch some pretty good tennis, deserves some respect. But that's just me...

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 04:48 PM
Farenhajt, I wish I could nominate you to be a mod. Then you would never have had your three week ban and you would have us all worshipping Nole in no time:sad:

Wrong. I'd have you girls experiencing a big time crisis, since the first thing I'd do is to delete Goat cheese, Piggy roasting, Duck hunt, Nole laughing threads (did I miss any? I think not) and meticulously destroy any attempt to develop such threads.

Fee
04-27-2008, 04:50 PM
I think a lot of us are just resigned to the fact that things won't change. There has always been a lack of moderation on this board, and I agree that this board could be a lot better if the moderation was much stricter. I still think it's a lot better than all other tennis forums that have a large membership though.

What other tennis forums have large membership? The only other one I know of is Tennis Warehouse (which is fairly heavily moderated, but overrun by 15 year old boys now, it seems).

Herdwick
04-27-2008, 04:56 PM
Itís safe to say we see eye to eye on pretty much all of this. I do wish people would not "evacuate" as you say. Itís pointless and weak. You let the idiots win. People should contact moderators if they got problems or address it directly.


Agreed up to a point - I will come in here and fight Nole's corner when I can but life is just too short to bother to reply to some of the gold-plated w**kers on here. I do have a life...

Apolix
04-27-2008, 05:00 PM
Depends on the level and how often it is, and how much it gets to you... But like Fee said, there really isn't that many high volume Tennis forums to turn too :S

tennizen
04-27-2008, 05:04 PM
Wrong. I'd have you girls experiencing a big time crisis, since the first thing I'd do is to delete Goat cheese, Piggy roasting, Duck hunt, Nole laughing threads (did I miss any? I think not) and meticulously destroy any attempt to develop such threads.

Oh, a sense of humor was never your strong point:hug:

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 05:34 PM
:haha: I knew you were wired differently. If you think those bashing threads are equivalent to what you posted:haha:

As I said, it would be nice to show you the difference between "humor" and "humiliation" (which is still very vague to you) by, let's say, giving you consecutive 3-week bans and laughing good-naturedly to it all.

tennizen
04-27-2008, 05:38 PM
As I said, it would be nice to show you the difference between "humor" and "humiliation" (which is still very vague to you) by, let's say, giving you consecutive 3-week bans and laughing good-naturedly to it all.

Humiliation to who, to the players?:lol: I am sure they couldn't care less. The bashing threads don't bash any individuals on this board. That would be humiliation. A personal insult. I am sorry that YOU can't see the difference:hug: But I always knew you were different:yeah:

hilluis
04-27-2008, 05:42 PM
Everyone gets bashed. That is the nature of a forum. People seem to like to exercise their critical skills. Some more cleverly than others. It is slightly gross when stupid expressions are used like "*****" or that "ripping them a new one" or whatever it is..... piggy roasting not that kind either considering that Rafa seems like a nice young chap.However, it is not as if the people on these forums are journalists and writing to inform the public.

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 05:45 PM
Do we need another box of tissues or what ?

send them to Nole forum :lol:

i'm positively foaming at the mouth after hiding away after Murray's loss, very very true :drool:

:haha:

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Humiliation to who, to the players?:lol: I am sure they couldn't care less. The bashing threads don't bash any individuals on this board. That would be humiliation. A personal insult. I am sorry that YOU can't see the difference:hug: But I always knew you were different:yeah:

Then you consciously break the board rules, which state "Don't start a thread with the sole purpose of bashing a player" (or some equivalent wording). And obviously mods don't want to do anything about it - the question is why.

As for "players are not around, so they don't care", it's just a transposition of the lowest kind of "behind the back" jeering so very characteristic of female-to-female "humor" (and guess who frequents those threads?)

Manon
04-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Do we need another box of tissues or what ?

send them to Nole forum :lol:

i'm positively foaming at the mouth after hiding away after Murray's loss, very very true :drool:

:haha:

You don't know Serbian but I asure you they are furious, almost 90 percent of them (Serbian fans).

http://www.b92.net/sport/komentari.php?nav_id=295933

Btw >>> :wavey:

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 05:58 PM
Everyone gets bashed. That is the nature of a forum. People seem to like to exercise their critical skills. Some more cleverly than others. It is slightly gross when stupid expressions are used like "*****" or that "ripping them a new one" or whatever it is..... piggy roasting not that kind either considering that Rafa seems like a nice young chap.However, it is not as if the people on these forums are journalists and writing to inform the public.

That is not the intended nature of the forum. If mods feel the rules should be enforced, then they're just lazy and/or weak towards their buddies who like to bash around. If they are satisfied with the current state, then they have to rewrite the rules and basically give up all moderation except the most basic stuff. That's the true issue.

Alex999
04-27-2008, 05:59 PM
Do we need another box of tissues or what ?

send them to Nole forum :lol:

i'm positively foaming at the mouth after hiding away after Murray's loss, very very true :drool:

:haha:

I do, I still feel hurt :rain::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:.
(Nole will be back with vengeance :rocker::rocker::rocker: :yeah: )

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 06:01 PM
Dont worry Alex mate

you are one of the very few who can take it all in good humour without flying of the handle about us all, internet non millionaire unsuccessful losers, laughing at nole :hug:

tennizen
04-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Then you consciously break the board rules, which state "Don't start a thread with the sole purpose of bashing a player" (or some equivalent wording). And obviously mods don't want to do anything about it - the question is why.

As for "players are not around, so they don't care", it's just a transposition of the lowest kind of "behind the back" jeering so very characteristic of female-to-female "humor" (and guess who frequents those threads?)

Ok, I really don't know what being female has to do with anything:lol: But you have even in the past repeatedly insulted women. So I won't go into that. It's your problem.

The rules are to subject to interpretation. If you view the bashing threads as good natured banter and teasing by fans of others players, then you wouldn't have a problem. When I joined this board, the piggy roasting thread was in full bloom and that's how I viewed it. I even started posting my own congratulations to the roaster. See nothing female about that:shrug: And regarding talking about players behind their back, that is just laughable. So praising them and worshipping them behind their back is simple fandom but bashing them isn't. In such a case, message boards have no place in the world.

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Yo Manon :wavey:

tennizen
04-27-2008, 06:05 PM
I do, I still feel hurt :rain::bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:.
(Nole will be back with vengeance :rocker::rocker::rocker: :yeah: )

Alex, I want to say you have handled all the Nole hate in here with a lot of dignity. Truly admirable:yeah:

hilluis
04-27-2008, 06:11 PM
That is not the intended nature of the forum. If mods feel the rules should be enforced, then they're just lazy and/or weak towards their buddies who like to bash around. If they are satisfied with the current state, then they have to rewrite the rules and basically give up all moderation except the most basic stuff. That's the true issue.

I said " nature of a forum" not intention of the forum. Quite different. Rules may be made but there is always a grey area and whether a player is being bashed is actually subjective.Some deserve it when they act unprofessionally. Odd that people take it all so personally as if tennis players are their blood relatives.

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 06:13 PM
Odd that people take it all so personally as if tennis players are their blood relatives.

That's the money point right there.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 06:15 PM
Ok, I really don't know what being female has to do with anything:lol: But you have even in the past repeatedly insulted women. So I won't go into that. It's your problem.

The rules are to subject to interpretation. If you view the bashing threads as good natured banter and teasing by fans of others players, then you wouldn't have a problem. When I joined this board, the piggy roasting thread was in full bloom and that's how I viewed it. I even started posting my own congratulations to the roaster. See nothing female about that:shrug: And regarding talking about players behind their back, that is just laughable. So praising them and worshipping them behind their back is simple fandom but bashing them isn't. In such a case, message boards have no place in the world.

A pig on a spit with Rafa's head is "good natured banter and teasing"? The amount of thought and time invested to create such a picture says there's nothing good-natured about it, on the contrary - and similar things can be found in other such threads.

I'm sorry you felt such threads are something of "accept it or go away" material, and I'm also sorry you're inclined to toilet humor (as it appears). Not everyone is.

As for "rules are subject to interpretation" - to whose interpretation? If you suck up to a mod, you'll get your quota of bashing whoever you wanna bash and be left alone?

tennizen
04-27-2008, 06:20 PM
A pig on a spit with Rafa's head is "good natured banter and teasing"? The amount of thought and time invested to create such a picture says there's nothing good-natured about it, on the contrary - and similar things can be found in other such threads.

I'm sorry you felt such threads are something of "accept it or go away" material, and I'm also sorry you're inclined to toilet humor (as it appears). Not everyone is.

As for "rules are subject to interpretation" - to whose interpretation? If you suck up to a mod, you'll get your quota of bashing whoever you wanna bash and be left alone?

No, I didn't find that particularly tasteful and given that I am a vegetarian, even less so. But the intention behind that is not malicious and that's what I see. Nothing to do with toilet humor. And given what you posted earlier and all the "whose your daddy" stuff about Fed, I am not sure you should be the one say that.

I meant "all rules are subject to interpretation" and not to be implemented word for word. And as for sucking up to mods, I would equally laugh at the people who would do that just to bash a player they don't like. Secondly, that problem will remain no matter who the mods are and what rules are implemented because that's how people are.

l_mac
04-27-2008, 06:23 PM
A pig on a spit with Rafa's head is "good natured banter and teasing"? The amount of thought and time invested to create such a picture says there's nothing good-natured about it, on the contrary - and similar things can be found in other such threads.

I'm sorry you felt such threads are something of "accept it or go away" material, and I'm also sorry you're inclined to toilet humor (as it appears). Not everyone is.

As for "rules are subject to interpretation" - to whose interpretation? If you suck up to a mod, you'll get your quota of bashing whoever you wanna bash and be left alone?

Don't read those threads if they upset you, Farenhajt.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 06:32 PM
No, I didn't find that particularly tasteful and given that I am a vegetarian, even less so. But the intention behind that is not malicious and that's what I see. Nothing to do with toilet humor. And given what you posted earlier and all the "whose your daddy" stuff about Fed, I am not sure you should be the one say that.

I meant "all rules are subject to interpretation" and not to be implemented word for word. And as for sucking up to mods, I would equally laugh at the people who would do that just to bash a player they don't like. Secondly, that problem will remain no matter who the mods are and what rules are implemented because that's how people are.

The intention is very malicious, but I can comprehend you tend to "play it down" in other people so that you won't be called on about your own malevolent streaks (the eternal "that's all good-natured" argument).

Compared to what people say here and stay alive, NOTHING I ever said is coming even close. My puns or nonsense scripts are a pure childish game, so it can be safely said I didn't lose much of my integrity when it comes to what's acceptable and what's not.

"That's how people are" is just an excuse not to do anything. If ten mods were working hard on GM for 3-4 months, a LOT could be achieved.

tennizen
04-27-2008, 06:39 PM
The intention is very malicious, but I can comprehend you tend to "play it down" in other people so that you won't be called on about your own malevolent streaks (the eternal "that's all good-natured" argument).

Oh now you are second guessing my state of mind. I say the intent is not malicious and you say it is so now how do you form the rules? And secondly like Linda said, you have the choice of ignoring them.

Compared to what people say here and stay alive, NOTHING I ever said is coming even close. My puns or nonsense scripts are a pure childish game, so it can be safely said I didn't lose much of my integrity when it comes to what's acceptable and what's not.

Well I disagree. Even to prove a point calling me what you just did in you previous post and some of your previous comments to elessar I think make you much worse that most other posters here. And you are not the one to decide that your puns are just childish and someone else pics are malicious. You might think so but other people will have different opinions.

"That's how people are" is just an excuse not to do anything. If ten mods were working hard on GM for 3-4 months, a LOT could be achieved.

What remains and what goes would still be at the mods discretion. And like you said in your previous post some one could suck up to the mods and get what they want.

CyBorg
04-27-2008, 06:40 PM
Novak should give his folks a swift kick in the ass if he really cares about the public's opinion about him.

But I don't think he does.

Deboogle!.
04-27-2008, 06:48 PM
Since this latest move by Novak, I actually saw (or rather read) people in the Serbia forum who seemed truly disturbed and distressed by the sheer volume of completely vile garbage filling the GM. It was pretty universally understood that Novak fans would have to evacuate the general forums or face the wrath of MTF. Your whole post was one of the smartest I've ever read in GM. To the part I directly quoted, you are right, and there's precedent for it - very few Hewitt and Roddick fans discuss either player's game or results or anything in GM. Same thing is happening now with Novak and his fans.

Then you consciously break the board rules, which state "Don't start a thread with the sole purpose of bashing a player" (or some equivalent wording). And obviously mods don't want to do anything about it - the question is why.Do you report threads that you perceive to be created to bash a player? Mods do delete these threads, I'm sure of it. You also have to keep in mind that the mods are human and have to make a decision. Just because something seems like it is created just to bash Novak to you, doesn't mean the GM mods/supermods see it that way. It is a difficult line and a judgment call must be made as to whether a certain thread crosses it. :shrug:

The rules are to subject to interpretation. If you view the bashing threads as good natured banter and teasing by fans of others players, then you wouldn't have a problem. When I joined this board, the piggy roasting thread was in full bloom and that's how I viewed it. I even started posting my own congratulations to the roaster. See nothing female about that:shrug: And regarding talking about players behind their back, that is just laughable. So praising them and worshipping them behind their back is simple fandom but bashing them isn't. In such a case, message boards have no place in the world.Exactly, the line is one that is difficult to judge. Sometimes it's really obvious, especially depending on who starts a particular thread, sometimes it's not obvious at all.

Odd that people take it all so personally as if tennis players are their blood relatives.So why is it ok to deride those people who take it personally but not ok to deride those who hate people they've never met? Isn't it just as bad to hate people you've never met than to take it personally when someone insults them? What's the difference? Why is it ok to hate someone you've never met but not ok to love/defend someone you've never met? Why is one accepted as OK here and one not? I don't understand, I really don't. If one's ridiculous, so is the other.

btw, there ARE people here who ARE blood relatives or personal friends of certain players.

Alex999
04-27-2008, 06:52 PM
Novak should give his folks a swift kick in the ass if he really cares about the public's opinion about him.

But I don't think he does.
You are probably right, but think about it, many Nole haters would be so disappointed ;). So life is still good for them, Nole retires here and there, his family is as annoying as ever etc.:):):)

thesonofgray
04-27-2008, 08:07 PM
I said " nature of a forum" not intention of the forum. Quite different. Rules may be made but there is always a grey area and whether a player is being bashed is actually subjective.Some deserve it when they act unprofessionally. Odd that people take it all so personally as if tennis players are their blood relatives.

That's the money point right there.

No, that isn't the money point. That is actually missing the point.

First, free-for-all bashing is not the "nature of a forum", it's the nature of this forum, due to the lack of decent moderation. People feel invisible and immune when sitting behind their computer screen and, therefore, do a lot of things that they wouldn't otherwise do in public (bash, harass, be offensive, etc). That's where moderators enforcing the rules come in. Otherwise you have some people do whatever they want without any fear of consequence and others who'd rather involve themselves in a more civil place just leave or keep quiet.

Second, like I said before, I don't think people take the incessant bashing personally (well, some might, but they're disturbed by something that shouldn't be happening anyways, so it doesn't matter). It's that the atmosphere isn't conducive to intelligent discussion about tennis, and often time when someone tries to have a serious discussion, it melts down into a cesspool of filth.

Some have repeatedly said "well then just don't read those threads". It would be nice if that was possible, but I don't think very many threads, if any at all, would be left to read. I often find myself sifting through pages of "_____cocklover is a bitch!", or something to that effect, to find a post that actually has substance...or that's simply about tennis.

This forum needs better/more moderators who actually moderate. That is the money point. :yeah:

cobalt60
04-27-2008, 08:09 PM
No, that isn't the money point. That is actually missing the point.

First, free-for-all bashing is not the "nature of a forum", it's the nature of this forum, due to the lack of decent moderation. People feel invisible and immune when sitting behind their computer screen and, therefore, do a lot of things that they wouldn't otherwise do in public (bash, harass, be offensive, etc). That's where moderators enforcing the rules come in. Otherwise you have some people do whatever they want without any fear of consequence and others who'd rather involve themselves in a more civil place just leave or keep quiet.

Second, like I said before, I don't think people take the incessant bashing personally (well, some might, but they're disturbed by something that shouldn't be happening anyways, so it doesn't matter). It's that the atmosphere isn't conducive to intelligent discussion about tennis, and often time when someone tries to have a serious discussion, it melts down into a cesspool of filth.

Some have repeatedly said "well then just don't read those threads". It would be nice if that was possible, but I don't think very many threads, if any at all, would be left to read. I often find myself sifting through pages of "_____cocklover is a bitch!", or something to that effect, to find a post that actually has substance...or that's simply about tennis.

This forum needs better/more moderators who actually moderate. That is the money point. :yeah:

:worship: Although some folks here do take some things very personally in response to their favorite players. I find that behavior odd and off putting. Fanaticism at it's best.

jagan
04-27-2008, 08:23 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

Novak would have been praised had he finished the game. The man misses his mommy in the middle of a game. This is what he gets. He wouldn't quit if he was winning....of course stating the obvious.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 08:28 PM
Do you report threads that you perceive to be created to bash a player? Mods do delete these threads, I'm sure of it. You also have to keep in mind that the mods are human and have to make a decision. Just because something seems like it is created just to bash Novak to you, doesn't mean the GM mods/supermods see it that way. It is a difficult line and a judgment call must be made as to whether a certain thread crosses it. :shrug:

I'm probably used to other boards, where mods are mostly proactive and don't wait for reports, but this is probably too big for that.

Anyway, please explain to me why 4 threads I mentioned (Duck Hunt, Piggy Roasting, Goat Cheese, Novak Laugh) are tolerated? They are obviously created to the sole purpose of bashing a player. And yet they are tolerated in spite of often being very tasteless. Why?

l_mac
04-27-2008, 08:31 PM
Anyway, please explain to me why 4 threads I mentioned (Duck Hunt, Piggy Roasting, Goat Cheese, Novak Laugh) are tolerated? They are obviously created to the sole purpose of bashing a player. And yet they are tolerated in spite of often being very tasteless. Why?

I believe the hope was the bashing would be confined to these threads, and not spill out into the rest of the board :tape:

And once the mods had allowed one, they had to allow the others :shrug:

In truth, the content of those threads is pretty tame compared to what gets said on other threads.

Sunset of Age
04-27-2008, 08:41 PM
Do you report threads that you perceive to be created to bash a player? Mods do delete these threads, I'm sure of it. You also have to keep in mind that the mods are human and have to make a decision. Just because something seems like it is created just to bash Novak to you, doesn't mean the GM mods/supermods see it that way. It is a difficult line and a judgment call must be made as to whether a certain thread crosses it. :shrug:

I've seen several hatred threads being deleted last week, so I think it's pretty obvious that the mods indeed DO THEIR JOBS at this forum. :yeah: And pretty well too - if you want every thread that could possibly be offending to someone deleted, you'll end up with an overly political correct (= censored) forum. Not something I'd be looking out for, and I'm sure neither the majority of posters over here... :shrug:

I'm probably used to other boards, where mods are mostly proactive and don't wait for reports, but this is probably too big for that.

Anyway, please explain to me why 4 threads I mentioned (Duck Hunt, Piggy Roasting, Goat Cheese, Novak Laugh) are tolerated? They are obviously created to the sole purpose of bashing a player. And yet they are tolerated in spite of often being very tasteless. Why?

I'm pretty sure the mods delete threads without waiting for reports here too.

As for your second point - that's a personal taste I think. People have different senses of humour (some lack it completely, sadly enough) - and if you have a closer look at those threads you might notice that even some FANS of said players enjoy them, take part in them, or at least are able to understand that other people might well enjoy them... and let them be. It's a good thing not to take everything over here too seriously. ;)

I'm not a mod btw nor would I want to become one - I think it's a HELL of a job as you'll always end up ruffing someone's feathers when taking action, which isn't always a nice experience. So a little respect for the mods over here seems to be in place.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 09:39 PM
I keep getting answers from non-moderating frequent visitors of those threads, and the ever repeating tune (try something new, pls) is "this is just a humor".

Please, I'd like to hear from a moderator about those threads.

thesonofgray
04-27-2008, 09:55 PM
I keep getting answers from non-moderating frequent visitors of those threads, and the ever repeating tune (try something new, pls) is "this is just a humor".

Please, I'd like to hear from a moderator about those threads.

I think we have, indirectly at least. One finds the excessive bashing pathetic, and another seems to simply not care.

Most large forum communities have a 'rant' forum, so maybe a "Bashing Forum" is in order at MTF? Those who feel the need to bash can get off in there while everyone else can discuss tennis in GM. I personally don't think any mindless bashing should be tolerated, but it seems that sort of behavior is entrenched here at MTF, so maybe a dedicated forum for bashing ('laugh at' threads, etc) would be a nice middle ground? :shrug: Just a thought...

Bascule
04-27-2008, 10:17 PM
I keep getting answers from non-moderating frequent visitors of those threads, and the ever repeating tune (try something new, pls) is "this is just a humor".

Please, I'd like to hear from a moderator about those threads.


Faren, your "eggs" are OK?:) Or did you break them...both?

l_mac
04-27-2008, 10:26 PM
I think we have, indirectly at least. One finds the excessive bashing pathetic, and another seems to simply not care.

Most large forum communities have a 'rant' forum, so maybe a "Bashing Forum" is in order at MTF? Those who feel the need to bash can get off in there while everyone else can discuss tennis in GM. I personally don't think any mindless bashing should be tolerated, but it seems that sort of behavior is entrenched here at MTF, so maybe a dedicated forum for bashing ('laugh at' threads, etc) would be a nice middle ground? :shrug: Just a thought...
I don't think it would work.

You would then have to state very clearly what was considered "bashing" and what wasn't. Djokovic took a lot of stick for his actions yesterday - was that bashing? Or fair comment? Is calling Nadal Piggy, Monkey Boy, Neanderthal etc bashing?

At one point there was a campaign to get a Fed vs Rafa forum because every thread degenerated into a "discussion" of Fed or Rafa's relative merits. That didn't take off.

If you look at the match thread for the MC final today - nearly 400 (mainly) respectful posts. The Haha Nole thread was active yesterday for a while after the match, now it's dropping down the forum and no-one will bother with it again. Till Rome (hopefully) The GOAT cheese thread has a few posts today, lots of evil pictures of goats in sweaters :eek:

Nole's new (to MTF) fans arrived in much the same way Nole himself did - brashly, aggressively and with little respect to the other fan bases. It has led to a fair amount of bad feeling, which has led to an increase in insults and tastless remarks. Things settle down. And it will for the pro-Novak vs anti-Novak crowds too.

star
04-27-2008, 10:29 PM
I never understood this need for gloating....

Can't you guys just enjoy Fed's win (like I do) without calling Novak all sorts of names? Isn't it enough to beat someone, why do you need to humiliate them as well? I always thought victory should speak for itself, and that the winner should be generous, not a prick. And we fans here aren't even winners ourselves (sic), we just happen to root for the guy who won. So this is tasteless. I wanted to discuss the match itself in that thread, not read an insult after insult. Okay, you disapprove what he did - got that. Point noted. Can we move on to the match itself now? :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Aren't you an angel? Posting this just guarantees a long thread dedicated to bashing.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Nole's new (to MTF) fans arrived in much the same way Nole himself did - brashly, aggressively and with little respect to the other fan bases. It has led to a fair amount of bad feeling, which has led to an increase in insults and tastless remarks. Things settle down. And it will for the pro-Novak vs anti-Novak crowds too.

Which is just a rationale from a Nole hater, and the true point being "why he had to appear at all? We were so happy having Fed and Rafa, and some other young players as distant-enough-but-looking-good new hopes, and now that Djokovic character storms up and ruins/will ruin everything. Plus he won't suck anyone's cock, as all youngsters should."

l_mac
04-27-2008, 10:36 PM
Which is just a rationale from a Nole hater, and the true point being "why he had to appear at all? We were so happy having Fed and Rafa, and some other young players as distant-enough-but-looking-good new hopes, and now that Djokovic character storms up and ruins/will ruin everything. Plus he won't suck anyone's cock, as all youngsters should."

:yeah: You see right through me, as always.

~*BGT*~
04-27-2008, 10:48 PM
Nole's new (to MTF) fans arrived in much the same way Nole himself did - brashly, aggressively and with little respect to the other fan bases. It has led to a fair amount of bad feeling, which has led to an increase in insults and tastless remarks. Things settle down. And it will for the pro-Novak vs anti-Novak crowds too.

:)

Alex999
04-27-2008, 10:51 PM
:)

Which is just a rationale from a Nole hater, and the true point being "why he had to appear at all? We were so happy having Fed and Rafa, and some other young players as distant-enough-but-looking-good new hopes, and now that Djokovic character storms up and ruins/will ruin everything. Plus he won't suck anyone's cock, as all youngsters should."
:)

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 10:59 PM
Faren :baby:

months of annoying posts about Nole the best this, Nole the best that, better than Federer this, exfed this, exfed THAT bla bla bla

what is his reaction now that Nole lost a match to EXFED again? 2 days of non stop crying about evil MTF and all the laughing they do at him :lol:

oh mods, what will the mods do about this EVIL :baby::rolls:

new rule for Farenhajt and some of the Nole fans from now on MTF

rule 316.a : whenever Nole loses a match, anyone who is not his fan is not ALLOWED to post in GM AT ALL! unless its to worship Nole and sooth Faren's bruised Ego by saying things like "oh was just a blip for the Serb GOAT , Nole's still better than him - would still beat him in his sleep" ... "Nole is still the next No.1" "Nole you are awesome, you lost to my fave player today but i wish you had won anyway because someone so amazing as you should never lose a match" etc etc

~*BGT*~
04-27-2008, 11:04 PM
:)

Alex :hug: regarding that statement from Farenhajt, it's nice to see the duopoly no longer exists, but the fact that it's been replaced with a triopoly doesn't make the situation in the game any better. :lol: Granted, it would be more positive for me personally it the "Third player in the mix" had been a player I liked very much or at least had been following for a long time.

I don't dislike Djokovic as Farenhajt would refuses to disbelieve. I'm really neutral to him. I enjoy his game very much and think he is funny in a lot he does (impersonations, Michael Jackson's Thriller...) but I'm not actively pulling for him. He's sort of like Davydenko to me except not as ignorable. I respect his game but I'm not gonna post in his forum or anything. :angel:

BTW, I don't post in any bash threads. I may look in them but hardly ever if ever, post in them.

star
04-27-2008, 11:04 PM
Faren :baby:

months of annoying posts about Nole the best this, Nole the best that, better than Federer this, exfed this, exfed THAT bla bla bla

what is his reaction now that Nole lost a match to EXFED again? 2 days of non stop crying about evil MTF and all the laughing they do at him :lol:

oh mods, what will the mods do about this EVIL :baby::rolls:

new rule for Farenhajt and some of the Nole fans from now on MTF

rule 316.a : whenever Nole loses a match, anyone who is not his fan is not ALLOWED to post in GM AT ALL! unless its to worship Nole and sooth Faren's bruised Ego by saying things like "oh was just a blip , Nole's still better than him - would still beat him in his sleep" ... "Nole is still the next No.1" "Nole you are awesome, you lost to my fave player today but i wish you had won anyway because someone so amazing as you should never lose a match" etc etc

Oh, please.

Everyone who posts on MTF knows that if you support a player not blessed by the clique that dominates this board, you're going to get a lot of crap. I know. I've backed Hewitt, Roddick, and Nadal before Djokovic, and this is just par for the course. Every fan of those players has had their intelligence insulted and has been derided in every possible way. It's no different with Djokovic, and his fans or what his fans say has absolutely nothing to do with it.

~*BGT*~
04-27-2008, 11:09 PM
Oh, please.

Everyone who posts on MTF knows that if you support a player not blessed by the clique that dominates this board, you're going to get a lot of crap. I know. I've backed Hewitt, Roddick, and Nadal before Djokovic, and this is just par for the course. Every fan of those players has had their intelligence insulted and has been derided in every possible way. It's no different with Djokovic, and his fans or what his fans say has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Stupid fangirl who knows nothing about tennis if she supports RodDICK and Gasgay. ;)

:secret: I think female posters get it the worst. :sad:

Alex999
04-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Alex :hug: regarding that statement from Farenhajt, it's nice to see the duopoly no longer exists, but the fact that it's been replaced with a triopoly doesn't make the situation in the game any better. :lol: Granted, it would be more positive for me personally it the "Third player in the mix" had been a player I liked very much or at least had been following for a long time.

I don't dislike Djokovic as Farenhajt would refuses to disbelieve. I'm really neutral to him. I enjoy his game very much and think he is funny in a lot he does (impersonations, Michael Jackson's Thriller...) but I'm not actively pulling for him. He's sort of like Davydenko to me except not as ignorable. I respect his game but I'm not gonna post in his forum or anything. :angel:

BTW, I don't post in any bash threads. I may look in them but hardly ever if ever, post in them.
:hug::hug:

MaryX
04-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Oh, please.

Everyone who posts on MTF knows that if you support a player not blessed by the clique that dominates this board, you're going to get a lot of crap. I know. I've backed Hewitt, Roddick, and Nadal before Djokovic, and this is just par for the course. Every fan of those players has had their intelligence insulted and has been derided in every possible way. It's no different with Djokovic, and his fans or what his fans say has absolutely nothing to do with it.

:yeah:

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Oh, please.

Everyone who posts on MTF knows that if you support a player not blessed by the clique that dominates this board, you're going to get a lot of crap. I know. I've backed Hewitt, Roddick, and Nadal before Djokovic, and this is just par for the course. Every fan of those players has had their intelligence insulted and has been derided in every possible way. It's no different with Djokovic, and his fans or what his fans say has absolutely nothing to do with it.

One good thing could come out of all this: to wait and see what MTF will look like in 2-3 years from now... :)

cobalt60
04-27-2008, 11:12 PM
One good thing could come out of all this: to wait and see what MTF will look like in 2-3 years from now... :)

Damn I have already been here 3+ years. If I last 2-3 years longer I will need to have my head examined ;) I had a lot more fun back then though.........

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 11:15 PM
Oh, please.

Everyone who posts on MTF knows that if you support a player not blessed by the clique that dominates this board, you're going to get a lot of crap. I know. I've backed Hewitt, Roddick, and Nadal before Djokovic, and this is just par for the course. Every fan of those players has had their intelligence insulted and has been derided in every possible way. It's no different with Djokovic, and his fans or what his fans say has absolutely nothing to do with it.So have Fed fans and now Murray fans :confused: so what? dont see them going around crying to the mods, dont even try and get high and mighty - you are one of the classic Fed moaners in MTF.

prima donna
04-27-2008, 11:35 PM
Not to sound as if I'm reading too deeply into the dynamics of this message board, but I'd attribute some of the animosity towards Djokovic's fans to this false sense of entitlement his fans seem to have. It's almost as if they expected to be rewarded in exchange for having graced us with their presence. There is suddenly this aura of invincibility surrounding Djokovic, the only problem is that someone forgot to inform perfectly sober earthlings of this occurrence.

I remember actually arguing with Nadal fans over whether Roger or Rafa was superior on clay, as well as "debating" with Safin fans over his career accomplishments with respect to those of Federer. Such disputes obviously preceded what would turn out to be Nadal's imminent domination on clay, his superiority on the surface has now become apparent even to the blindest of the blind. As for Safin, well, there once was a time when he'd win successive matches, which of course lead to arguments with people like MariaV over who at the time deserved to be anointed as the most talented player on tour, irrespective of accomplishments.

Overzealous fans of each respective fan base have been humbled, resulting in a little less shit being talked, then all of a sudden Djokovic fans showed up, which culminated in the spread of nonsensical rhetoric that seems comical even to the most clueless of tennis spectators.

So much for harmony. Djokovic fans are here to show just how deranged they truly can be by ranting on about how Nadal is going to be "dethroned" at the hands of the Serbian, while Federer was pronounced dead following his defeat in Australia.

mangoes
04-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Which is just a rationale from a Nole hater, and the true point being "why he had to appear at all? We were so happy having Fed and Rafa, and some other young players as distant-enough-but-looking-good new hopes, and now that Djokovic character storms up and ruins/will ruin everything. Plus he won't suck anyone's cock, as all youngsters should."

Since you are trying to police the boards..........I'm going to help!!


I've reported your post as offensive. I've highlighted the offensive part. I do not want to read such things on GM.. Can you please control your language on GM???


MODS: I feel that Farenhaijt is bashing Federer and Nadal in this post and I'm offended!!


One good thing could come out of all this: to wait and see what MTF will look like in 2-3 years from now... :)

The biggest problem with GM right now is you and your fellow nole trolls. As soon as the bunch of you say goodbye to GM, everything will return to normal:D

star
04-27-2008, 11:49 PM
The biggest problem with GM right now is you and your fellow nole trolls. As soon as the bunch of you say goodbye to GM, everything will return to normal:D

This doesn't explain the vitriol on this board occurring long before anyone had ever heard of Djokovic.

cobalt60
04-27-2008, 11:50 PM
This doesn't explain the vitriol on this board occurring long before anyone had ever heard of Djokovic.

Yes that is true. Just occurred with different fan bases that's all.

wildegirl05
04-27-2008, 11:52 PM
This doesn't explain the vitriol on this board occurring long before anyone had ever heard of Djokovic.

Maybe not, but to me at least it definitely explains the current levels of whining about so-called vitriol. :shrug:

star
04-27-2008, 11:54 PM
Maybe not, but to me at least it definitely explains the current levels of whining about so-called vitriol. :shrug:

The protest (or whining if you prefer) against the vitriol has been going on also long before Djokovic.

mangoes
04-27-2008, 11:54 PM
This doesn't explain the vitriol on this board occurring long before anyone had ever heard of Djokovic.

I addressed the present problem with GM. I have an even bigger problem with this topic being discussed by Faren who is one of the most disgusting posters on GM.

I have no problem with you Star, and your posts don't bother me. I usually just laugh when you bash Roger and I have had some rather nice chats with you from time to time.

But you are a well known basher of Roger......so your posts, in this thread, reek of irony. You participate in the drama of MTF and it's rather unfair of you to point fingers when you are guilty of bashing players and Americans:D

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 11:54 PM
The biggest problem with GM right now is you and your fellow nole trolls. As soon as the bunch of you say goodbye to GM, everything will return to normal:D

As if :haha:

NicoFan
04-27-2008, 11:55 PM
:lol:

Got to laugh at some of the posts in this thread.

Some of the posters taking the moral high road here have been some of the biggest troublemakers on MTF.

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all... :rolls:

But why am I not surprised? :tape: :lol:

wildegirl05
04-27-2008, 11:57 PM
The protest (or whining if you prefer) against the vitriol has been going on also long before Djokovic.

If they've also been at the same levels as now, then maybe it will just sort itself out and this thread is rehashing what's been said before? In that case then, in grand MTF fashion, I will request that the OP use the search function and bump an old thread about the bashing of Roger, Rafa, Roddick, Hewitt etc. or Tilden even if they can find it.

mangoes
04-27-2008, 11:58 PM
:lol:

Got to laugh at some of the posts in this thread.

Some of the posters taking the moral high road here have been some of the biggest troublemakers on MTF.

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all... :rolls:

But why am I not surprised? :tape: :lol:

Hi Nicofan:hug:

That is exactly what's making me :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: about this thread.

Farenhajt
04-27-2008, 11:58 PM
I addressed the present problem with GM. I have an even bigger problem with this topic being discussed by Faren who is one of the most disgusting posters on GM.

Reported :)

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 11:59 PM
:lol:

Got to laugh at some of the posts in this thread.

Some of the posters taking the moral high road here have been some of the biggest troublemakers on MTF.

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all... :rolls:

But why am I not surprised? :tape: :lol:Huge coincidence it happens a day after Exfed pwned Djokovic (who he'd NEVER beat again) as well

:o

star
04-28-2008, 12:01 AM
I addressed the present problem with GM. I have an even bigger problem with this topic being discussed by Faren who is one of the most disgusting posters on GM.

I have no problem with you Star, and your posts don't bother me. I usually just laugh when you bash Roger and I have some rather nice chats with you from time to time.

But you are a well known basher of Roger......so your posts, in this thread, reek of irony. You participate in the drama of MTF and it's rather unfair of you to point fingers when you are guilty of bashing players.

I don't think I have ever bashed Federer. I've never called him names. I've only been happy when he loses and laughed at his silly costumes. And I think his fans are ridiculous. That's a little different in my opinion.

My point is that your present problem with GM isn't anything new. It's just that perhaps the people who support Djokovic aren't pushed around so easily as other fan bases that have been bullied here.

wildegirl05
04-28-2008, 12:03 AM
I don't think I have ever bashed Federer. I've never called him names. I've only been happy when he loses and laughed at his silly costumes. And I think his fans are ridiculous. That's a little different in my opinion.

My point is that your present problem with GM isn't anything new. It's just that perhaps the people who support Djokovic aren't pushed around so easily as other fan bases that have been bullied here.

:spit:

sorry, carry on.

prima donna
04-28-2008, 12:04 AM
If they've also been at the same levels as now, then maybe it will just sort itself out and this thread is rehashing what's been said before? In that case then, in grand MTF fashion, I will request that the OP use the search function and bump an old thread about the bashing of Roger, Rafa, Roddick, Hewitt etc. or Tilden even if they can find it.
It will be sorted out after Djokovic fans have experienced what it feels like to be forced to wipe the pie off their faces, figuratively speaking, obviously.

As of right now, he's the new kid on the block, although more so in terms of success than experience on tour.

Djokovic fans that pretend to be so appalled by what took place against Roger should just open up the archives and enjoy his performance against Monfils in a close 5th set match at the USO. They just need time to grow, it's an MTF rite of passage.

It's not as if the entire world has been completely oblivious to his questionable tactics.

mangoes
04-28-2008, 12:05 AM
As if :haha:

You want MTF to be policed?? You think the Mods are lax on MTF?? Well, I'll start reporting every one of your offensive posts so the mods don't miss them. Soon, they'll see that one of the ways to "clean up MTF" is to ban you.

Fedtards and Rafatards have been bickering for quite a while. Add in the Ljubitards and Ducktards. But, I don't recall the vocal members of these fan bases getting on their high horses and demanding that the mods stop the bashing of their respective favorite player.

No board is perfect. MTF has many great qualities. I really don't think MTF is some "bad" forum. But, since you keep complaining and whining about MTF........ I just don't understand why you don't say goodbye to it. There many posters that would throw you a "good bye" party.

~*BGT*~
04-28-2008, 12:08 AM
:lol:

Got to laugh at some of the posts in this thread.

Some of the posters taking the moral high road here have been some of the biggest troublemakers on MTF.

Oh, the hypocrisy of it all... :rolls:

But why am I not surprised? :tape: :lol:

That reminds me of an analogy given by "Pres Bush" in the newest Harold and Kumar movie. In it, he is smoking week and Kumar says he's being a hyporcrit because weed is illegal. What happens next is gold:

Bush: You like to get handjobs?
Kumar: Hell yeah!
Bush, You like to give handjobs?
Kumar: No
Bush: Then STFU about morals and enjoy your weed.

So, to those who are complaining about bashing, just don't make sure your aren't bashing as well. :rolleyes:

mangoes
04-28-2008, 12:08 AM
I don't think I have ever bashed Federer. I've never called him names. I've only been happy when he loses and laughed at his silly costumes. And I think his fans are ridiculous. That's a little different in my opinion.

My point is that your present problem with GM isn't anything new. It's just that perhaps the people who support Djokovic aren't pushed around so easily as other fan bases that have been bullied here.

Star, you originally stood out to me for your constant bashing of Federer.....

Furthermore, which fanbase has been bullied on this board??

~*BGT*~
04-28-2008, 12:10 AM
You want MTF to be policed?? You think the Mods are lax on MTF?? Well, I'll start reporting every one of your offensive posts so the mods don't miss them. Soon, they'll see that one of the ways to "clean up MTF" is to ban you.

Fedtards and Rafatards have been bickering for quite a while. Add in the Ljubitards and Ducktards. But, I don't recall the vocal members of these fan bases getting on their high horses and demanding that the mods stop the bashing of their respective favorite player.

No board is perfect. MTF has many great qualities. I really don't think MTF is some "bad" forum. But, since you keep complaining and whining about MTF........ I just don't understand why you say goodbye to it. There many posters that would throw you a "good bye" party.

I'll order the cake and buy the booze!

mangoes
04-28-2008, 12:11 AM
I'll order the cake and buy the booze!

I'll bring the balloons:D

Sunset of Age
04-28-2008, 12:12 AM
I'll order the cake and buy the booze!

I'll supply the :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:
Oops, not necessary I suppose - they have plenty of that already judging from their posts.

mangoes
04-28-2008, 12:14 AM
I'll supply the :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:
Oops, not necessary I suppose - they have plenty of that already judging from their posts.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kitty de Sade
04-28-2008, 12:15 AM
What a shame it is that so much negative energy is being expended this way. MTF is a messageboard devoted to the greatest sport on the planet. I don't get it.

Even with opposing fanbases, getting through the demands of the day to day posting shouldn't be as serious as this. Point me in the direction of whatever fan base is the most sane and fun. :hatoff:

Corey Feldman
04-28-2008, 12:16 AM
Its a free for all Kelli

jump in there! ;)

star
04-28-2008, 12:16 AM
What a shame it is that so much negative energy is being expended this way. MTF is a messageboard devoted to the greatest sport on the planet. I don't get it.

Even with opposing fanbases, getting through the demands of the day to day posting shouldn't be as serious as this. Point me in the direction of whatever fan base is the most sane and fun. :hatoff:

Each fan base thinks it is the most sane and fun. :lol: :lol: