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MC Final: Federer v Nadal WWW?

SerenaFederer
04-26-2008, 04:01 PM
who will win :wavey:

Johnny Groove
04-26-2008, 04:01 PM
We all know this matchup well and good :D

Adler
04-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Nadal in 2, max 3 if Fed plays as he did yesterday and today, come on...

Richardgm
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
Fed was playing good today, so Nadal in 3?

dylan24
04-26-2008, 04:03 PM
cmon roger slay this fucking pig for the love of god, tennis and all that good stuff

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Unless Higueras has given Federer some magic potion from his cabinet.

Then the usual scenario. Nadal will play at 60 percent, spit, bounce the ball 7 times, pick his underwear, hit heavy kick serves to Fed's backhand.

He will win either 6-3 6-4, 6-4 6-3, it will be comfortable.

gnaz
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
This is clay NOT HC.

tennizen
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
Fed looked very dangerous today. I think he has a very good chance tomorrow

Daniel
04-26-2008, 04:04 PM
roger in straight sets.

Adler
04-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Wonder if Rafa retires like Kolya and Djoke, being petrified by Roger's carbunkle

m9m9m9m9m9
04-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Fed is goin to be the underdog for 3 straight games...amazing

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 04:07 PM
Roger's pimple will scare Rafa into retirement!

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 04:08 PM
Fed is goin to be the underdog for 3 straight games...amazing

Ok, that's just bullshit. He is the #1 in the world.

Black Adam
04-26-2008, 04:08 PM
Fed always looks dangerous before playing Nadal on Clay but the outcome is always the same.

OSmeone
04-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Federer has already had his customary one victory by retirement or walkover this week, therefore a Nadal easy victory is on the cards.

FedFan
04-26-2008, 04:09 PM
I am so glad these two meet in the final again. :D Hopefully there will be a good battle.

Rafa is the clear favourite, but Roger has a decent chance to.

Tennis will win. :angel:

HeiwaDream
04-26-2008, 04:10 PM
Ok, that's just bullshit. He is the #1 in the world.

Not on clay.

Nadal , in two sets I hope.

mtf63
04-26-2008, 04:12 PM
I say Nadal in 3 - let the MTF curse continue...

BlueSwan
04-26-2008, 04:12 PM
I predict that Federer will lose his third MTF poll in a row. A good omen for him before tomorrow's match.

How great wouldn't it be if "MonoFed", who started the week by nearly losing to a player outside the top 100, would end up beating Nalbandian, Djokovic and Nadal three days in a row. His three worst rivals nonetheless.

Probably not going to happen. If Roger goes for his shots, he's got the firepower to beat Nadal, even on clay, but usually they end up having long rallies and here Nadal is just too strong on clay.

So realistically, Nadal in two. But I hope for Federer in two.

RagingLamb
04-26-2008, 04:12 PM
Roger's playing very good, but we haven't seen the best of Nadal yet.

I know this is clay, and it's nadal, but Federer has been playing really well.

l_mac
04-26-2008, 04:13 PM
Federer will win, filling his fans with false hope for RG.

Ruski
04-26-2008, 04:14 PM
Sorry Fed, Rafa is simply the best claycourter on the tour right now!

Roland9
04-26-2008, 04:15 PM
Another Federer vs Nadal final... Enough said.

May the best player tomorrow win.

Beforehand
04-26-2008, 04:16 PM
Federer will win, filling his fans with false hope for RG.

I've been waiting to decide when I was going to make my "Yay! Roger won a big match on clay! Let's get happy, only to be crushed at RG again!" post. I figured it would come later, like at Rome. :p

EDIT: Anyway, Nadal in 2. The world can't really take such an absurd transition as the MonoFed from the RRH match to JesusFed and beating Nadal. They would have to cancel tennis for the rest of the year.

sphiie
04-26-2008, 04:17 PM
Rafa... will win in 2sets!! He deserves to win. He needs this title. He wants it. He will fight for that. Go Rafa, he's the best on clay! VAMOS RAFAAA !!! :D

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-26-2008, 04:18 PM
Don't care about the result, I'm just glad that Roger found his form and stamped on that cockroach Djokovic. And you can forget about the retirements. Roger has not retired once in a 700+ match career. I think I remember Nadal retiring once but he is not exactly a quitter either.

If you have to pick someone it's a bit difficult to go against the guy with 96 wins in his last 97 clay matches (the one loss being Hamburg, where (a) he was tired and (b) the clay is harder and is the same surface that Federer grew up on).

juninhOH
04-26-2008, 04:19 PM
I wish Roger, would like to see him winning every masters series before he retires

nadal have time to eventually be 4times champion of all clay events, federer is running out of it.

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 04:34 PM
Rafa will be very motivated to end his title drought. Roger will be just out there to have fun and play well. Which makes him a dangerous "floater-type" who could sting Nadal. OTOH, I think Roger's carbunkle might provide the necessary edge!

Sunset of Age
04-26-2008, 04:37 PM
Easy job for Rafa - perhaps even in two (but I hope in three, as the longer a Fedal Final takes, the better it is for me :drool: :hearts: etc.)

I don't care whatever. At least a nice, classy guy will win, and it will be a match between two players that give each other the respect they truly deserve.

IMHO, that's the best that can happen - in any a sport, but especially in tennis.

Way to go, Rafa, Rogi! :hug:

prima donna
04-26-2008, 04:41 PM
Nadal in 3.

guga2120
04-26-2008, 04:46 PM
Rafa in 2.

RNP2008
04-26-2008, 04:48 PM
i hope nadal...

rafa_maniac
04-26-2008, 04:52 PM
Ugh, I have such a love hate relationship with Fedal finals. On one level, there's nothing better than seeing the top two players of this generation, two players with opposing styles and on court personas going head to head, they always seem to bring out the best in each other, but then again, I'm always so insanely nervous and convinced Rafa is going to lose every time, even on clay, I have difficulty enjoying them.. Anyway, heart says Rafa, head says Rafa, but gut says Fed. Make of that what you will.

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 05:02 PM
thanks rafa_maniac, I also thing this final is going to be a doozy.

selyoink
04-26-2008, 05:06 PM
Rafa in a similar scoreline as the Davydenko match.

DrJules
04-26-2008, 05:12 PM
Don't care about the result, I'm just glad that Roger found his form and stamped on that cockroach Djokovic. And you can forget about the retirements. Roger has not retired once in a 700+ match career. I think I remember Nadal retiring once but he is not exactly a quitter either.

If you have to pick someone it's a bit difficult to go against the guy with 96 wins in his last 97 clay matches (the one loss being Hamburg, where (a) he was tired and (b) the clay is harder and is the same surface that Federer grew up on).

Sadly I have to sympathise with that view.

More positively I am delighted the final is Federer vs. Nadal. Two players whose sense of fairplay and sportsmanship that Djokovic maybe oneday can aspire to reach.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 05:18 PM
Nadal in 2.

I still think Federer's best hopes of defeating Nadal on clay come in Rome and Hamburg. I've seen too many times how the Monte Carlo clay, and the Paris clay, just gives Nadal's game that little bit extra compared to the others, and I don't see Federer ever beating a healthy Nadal at this event :(

Okonsky
04-26-2008, 05:20 PM
Good luck and superb game tomorrow Rafa!

Art&Soul
04-26-2008, 05:21 PM
Love to see ROGER beat Nalby, Joker and Piggy in a row, that would be GODmade :)

groundstroke
04-26-2008, 05:23 PM
If Federer won I would be happy but I can see Nadal winning it. I'm a guy who hates Nadal and I'm saying this.

scoobs
04-26-2008, 05:26 PM
The only thing is, it really seems to me like Federer is hitting a heavier ball this year on clay and it will be interesting to see if that makes any difference to the way the match goes.

I doubt it, though.

shotgun
04-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Yay, another Nadal-Federer final on clay. :zzz:

sunsfuns
04-26-2008, 05:32 PM
Fed always looks dangerous before playing Nadal on Clay but the outcome is always the same.

Not always ;)


Roger has a chance, but most likely Rafa in three. His game is so much better suited for clay...

adee-gee
04-26-2008, 05:34 PM
3 days ago, I'd have said Nadal very easily.

All of a sudden, I have my worries. Rafa's backhand is back to its short, loopy nonsense, and his slice is ineffective. If Federer is on fire, he has a chance but he'll need to play at the top of his game for 3 sets.

Rafa is obviously still the favourite, I was hoping for a beatdown but Federer's performances the last 2 matches have got me a little nervous.

rofe
04-26-2008, 05:39 PM
No-brainer. Only question is whether Fed will make it interesting.

l_mac
04-26-2008, 05:42 PM
3 days ago, I'd have said Nadal very easily.

All of a sudden, I have my worries. Rafa's backhand is back to its short, loopy nonsense, and his slice is ineffective. If Federer is on fire, he has a chance but he'll need to play at the top of his game for 3 sets.

Rafa is obviously still the favourite, I was hoping for a beatdown but Federer's performances the last 2 matches have got me a little nervous.

:eek: :eek:

The slice was killing me today. I am struggling to see what it has added to his game, despite what Sky's top notch commentary team continue to tell me :sobbing:

adee-gee
04-26-2008, 05:44 PM
:eek: :eek:

The slice was killing me today. I am struggling to see what it has added to his game, despite what Sky's top notch commentary team continue to tell me :sobbing:
At least it's hard to blitz winners off his slice, even if it puts him on the defensive. His topspin backhand just lands inside the service box and is asking to be hit for a winner :(

His forehand looks back to its best, if he takes control of rallies like he did in last year's MC final (his best performance against Fed) he'll win easily. If he lets Fedclown dictate he might be in trouble.

DrJules
04-26-2008, 05:54 PM
3 days ago, I'd have said Nadal very easily.

All of a sudden, I have my worries. Rafa's backhand is back to its short, loopy nonsense, and his slice is ineffective. If Federer is on fire, he has a chance but he'll need to play at the top of his game for 3 sets.

Rafa is obviously still the favourite, I was hoping for a beatdown but Federer's performances the last 2 matches have got me a little nervous.

Federer not playing quite well enough at the moment although he has been almost there in his last 2 matches.

l_mac
04-26-2008, 05:55 PM
Let's not forget Rafa is currently in the midst of a doubles semi - they lost the first set 7-5 and are a break up in the 2nd :inlove: He'll be well rested for tomorrow. :D

scoobs
04-26-2008, 05:57 PM
Nadal hasn't hit top gear yet either.

Federer's only real chance is to do what Davydenko was able to do from time to time today and just hit right through Nadal with power - but much more consistently that Davydenko managed.

I can't see it happening unless Nadal gives him some weakness to work with. It's too hard to be that powerful, accurate and consistent for the entire match. And Roger can't play how Rafa plays so that won't work either.

Roland9
04-26-2008, 06:04 PM
From the tournament's official site, http://montecarlo.masters-series.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1079.asp :

"The matches he wins, he grinds them out. Even if he wins today 2 and 3 [against Davydenko], it's still a one-and-a-half-hour match, which is quite surprising. So it shows you you'll always get your chance against him. I'd like to be able to push him tomorrow and see what he can come up with at the most important moments.

Federer vs Nadal head-to-head record

"I think it's going to be an interesting match because I'm playing well again. I'm definitely going to have to use a better game plan tomorrow than compared to last year where I thought I played pretty disappointing."

Federer said he enjoys the challenge of playing Nadal on clay, adding that Nadal's 7-6 in the fifth set win over Federer in the 2006 Rome final was one of his most memorable matches. "I think the level of play was very high in Rome throughout. Five sets, five hours, I thought was one of the greatest matches I ever was part of... Stuff like this means a lot to me."

Federer also vividly remembers his 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 win over Nadal to capture his fourth Masters Series Hamburg title last year. "Hamburg I think I played in a good way, but I'm aware also he came into that match maybe a little bit tired. After all, you know, he was on an 81-match winning streak, so he didn't come to the finals hoping to lose. I played excellent, especially the first set and a half. So it's hard for me to tell. But I've played well against him on clay, and also at the French Open when I won the first set 6-1. I guess for me it's important to be able to tie it all together and do it over three or four or five sets."

kalisita
04-26-2008, 06:08 PM
I think Nadal in 2 becaue he really been playing well and I think still has plenty left in the tank, even with playing doubles. Davydenko and Ferrer showed that you have to really be agressive and take to Nadal to trouble him but in the end it still didn't matter. Watching Nadal and Davydenko it was amazing how well Davydenko played in the second and got very little result. I don't know what more someone would have to do to beat Nadal in this tournament. Maybe will see if Fed's new coach has some answer and Fed will play Rafa different than he has in the past. But I don't know. I think Rafa wants this way too much to let anyone take Monte Carlo from him.

groundstroke
04-26-2008, 06:08 PM
Ok, that's just bullshit. He is the #1 in the world.
Not on clay, Nadal has a 6-1 record against him on clay.

t0x
04-26-2008, 06:11 PM
Don't like Fed's chances here....

Still, it's been a kick-ass week for him!

Beforehand
04-26-2008, 06:14 PM
I'd like to see Roger continuing to take a little off of the backhand and try to keep it deep, at least that's what it seems he was doing against Nalbandian pretty effectively. Also, it will be interesting to see if Ferrer's continuing to go hard at the Nadal forehand with the inside-out forehand is something Roger can pick up and work with.

Roland9
04-26-2008, 06:14 PM
Maybe will see if Fed's new coach has some answer and Fed will play Rafa different than he has in the past.

Looks like he will, read my previous post on this thread.

"I think it's going to be an interesting match because I'm playing well again. I'm definitely going to have to use a better game plan tomorrow than compared to last year where I thought I played pretty disappointing."

Certainly interesting and might prove crucial... Then again, it may not matter if Rafa picks his game up.

canas
04-26-2008, 06:19 PM
roger in 3

ReturnWinner
04-26-2008, 06:22 PM
Nadal has never beaten Federer that easily on clay, his easiest win was last year in the final of this same tournament but 64 64 and The Swiss was dominating the first set until about the first seven gaems -simlar to the first set of Roland Garros.Nadal is the fav of course and should win but you have give Federer some decent chances too.

TheSwissMaster
04-26-2008, 06:33 PM
roger to surprise us third time in row.
come on roger, stupid Manchester united lost, so now its up to u to make by day, i cant take two loses in a row or ill have a heart attack, hehehe

HarryMan
04-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Well this could be Federer's tournament this year. Not taking anything away from someone who has been almost unbeatable on this surface for more than 3 years now, but Federer is playing some sublime, majestic tennis at the moment and his current form should take him to a win against his biggest rival in tennis.

Federer in three 6-3 4-6 6-3 :D

Corey Feldman
04-26-2008, 06:39 PM
Nadal in 2

but Gl Fediva

grab his bottles of water and chuck them over the grandstand at every change of end GO ON !!!

stebs
04-26-2008, 06:40 PM
Nadal in straight sets but it has already been an excellent week for Federer. Showed that he still has all the fight in the world to beat RRH and then showed he still has the quality to beat Nalbandian and Djokovic.

Corey Feldman
04-26-2008, 06:40 PM
Love it when the MTF polls have Fed way behind

*clicks Nadal in 2 !!!!!!!!!!*

octatennis
04-26-2008, 06:44 PM
i hope nadal, but anyway is going to be hard match for both players.

good luck rafa!!!!!:wavey::wavey:

l_mac
04-26-2008, 06:51 PM
Nadal will be exhausted after his efforts in the doubles.

Doubles means more to him this year (because Olympic doubles medal for Spain has been his lifelong dream) so don't be surprised if he tanks the match with JesusFed tomorrow to concentrate on the more important final.

FedFan
04-26-2008, 06:54 PM
Nadal will be exhausted after his efforts in the doubles.

Doubles means more to him this year (because Olympic doubles medal for Spain has been his lifelong dream) so don't be surprised if he tanks the match with JesusFed tomorrow to concentrate on the more important final.

Nadals tank is never empty, my dear. A doubles match will not wear him out, I guess. ;)

Naide
04-26-2008, 06:56 PM
Good to see our lovely ladies back :yeah:
BAMOOOS?

alfonsojose
04-26-2008, 06:57 PM
I see some improvents from JesusFed ( i think Monofed is almost gone) : More topspin on the forehand, more patient, smart drop shots. I finally saw Nadal today against Kolya and, although he wasn't really tested, he didn't look as dominant as usual on the dirt. However, JesusFed backhand is still weak on clay against top players. Nadal in three sets or two close sets

TheSwissMaster
04-26-2008, 06:59 PM
Nadal will be exhausted after his efforts in the doubles.

Doubles means more to him this year (because Olympic doubles medal for Spain has been his lifelong dream) so don't be surprised if he tanks the match with JesusFed tomorrow to concentrate on the more important final.

great work i_mac, youve already thought/find an excuse if somehow roger is able to beat rafa.:lol:

but u dont need to worry as its clay ;)

SwiSha
04-26-2008, 07:00 PM
Fed 2-0
Fed 2-1
Nadal 2-0
Nadal 2-1

one of the 4 outcomes

hope this helps

Mansave_75
04-26-2008, 07:07 PM
Nadal should win this in 2 or at least in 3, he also qualified for the doubles final, he will have an extra work tomorrow. :)

alfonsojose
04-26-2008, 07:07 PM
Nadal in 2.

I still think Federer's best hopes of defeating Nadal on clay come in Rome and Hamburg. I've seen too many times how the Monte Carlo clay, and the Paris clay, just gives Nadal's game that little bit extra compared to the others, and I don't see Federer ever beating a healthy Nadal at this event :(

Hamburg is slower. Nadal was dead last year. Otherwise, he would have beaten JesusFed. Let's see if JesusFed Higuerloaded can hurt Pocahontas

alfonsojose
04-26-2008, 07:17 PM
Well this could be Federer's tournament this year. Not taking anything away from someone who has been almost unbeatable on this surface for more than 3 years now, but Federer is playing some sublime, majestic tennis at the moment and his current form should take him to a win against his biggest rival in tennis.

Federer in three 6-3 4-6 6-3 :D

Mmm ... some returns on the bakchand side are still quite weak

Alex999
04-26-2008, 07:27 PM
I'm sure we are going to see a fantastic match tomorrow. I voted Nadal in 3 but I'm not sure as Federer played so well against Nalbandian and Djokovic.

Lleyt2Berate
04-26-2008, 07:39 PM
I don't know, I think Federer could very well surprise us tomorrow. I voted Fed in 3. Federer has shown flashes of brilliance in each of his clay encounters with Nadal and with the exception of MC last year, always found a way to create his chances. Now capitalizing on those chances is a completely different story, but I can't help but think that Federer is eventually going to put it together one of these days (yeah, I know he's been saying that for three years, but I think he'll eventually pull it off).

RagingLamb
04-26-2008, 07:58 PM
I actually think Roger has a very good chance tomorrow.

Nadal has done nothing that impressive all week, I guess everyone expects him to turn it on all of a sudden tomorrow.

If they both play the same way they did today, then I pick Roger in 2.

tennizen
04-26-2008, 08:02 PM
I think Fed has a pretty good chance to win this in three. I have been putting money on Fed all week and he's winning. Tomorrow I am not doing it:lol:

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 08:03 PM
3 days ago, I'd have said Nadal very easily.

All of a sudden, I have my worries. Rafa's backhand is back to its short, loopy nonsense, and his slice is ineffective. If Federer is on fire, he has a chance but he'll need to play at the top of his game for 3 sets.

Rafa is obviously still the favourite, I was hoping for a beatdown but Federer's performances the last 2 matches have got me a little nervous.

Come on man stop the nonsense. You're speaking

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

It's the same shit all the time, Fed will do this and do that, but he brings out the pink dress when he plays Nadal on clay.

FedFan_2007
04-26-2008, 08:05 PM
PMK - stop being a typical MTF retard. We all know Fed is a warrior when he plays Nadal on the clay. Remember 2006 Roma?

RagingLamb
04-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Come on man stop the nonsense. You're speaking

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

It's the same shit all the time, Fed will do this and do that, but he brings out the pink dress when he plays Nadal on clay.

you're really good with these pics today :yeah:

I for some reason think Roger can do it. maybe I have mono in the brain, who knows.

groundstroke
04-26-2008, 08:09 PM
Come on man stop the nonsense. You're speaking

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

It's the same shit all the time, Fed will do this and do that, but he brings out the pink dress when he plays Nadal on clay.
How are you a moderator?

Burrow
04-26-2008, 08:09 PM
3 days ago, I'd have said Nadal very easily.

All of a sudden, I have my worries. Rafa's backhand is back to its short, loopy nonsense, and his slice is ineffective. If Federer is on fire, he has a chance but he'll need to play at the top of his game for 3 sets.

Rafa is obviously still the favourite, I was hoping for a beatdown but Federer's performances the last 2 matches have got me a little nervous.

You get nervous over watching tennis. :confused:

oooook...

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 08:14 PM
you're really good with these pics today :yeah:

I for some reason think Roger can do it. maybe I have mono in the brain, who knows.

It's like election campaigns. You know they make the promises of how things are going to be different, we have learned from the past and all that. But when it comes down to it, the same shit happens.

Apemant
04-26-2008, 08:14 PM
It's the same shit all the time, Fed will do this and do that, but he brings out the pink dress when he plays Nadal on clay.

Sadly its true but on the other hand, so does everyone else, pretty much. Either in the first set (Ancic, Ferrer) or in the 2nd set (Ferrero, Davydenko) they just look hopeless out there. I guess it gets pretty f*ing demoralizing just seeing him on the other side on this red stuff.

TheSwissMaster
04-26-2008, 08:15 PM
How are you a moderator?

i want to be one too so that i can ban him
:) :lol:

DrJules
04-26-2008, 08:16 PM
Come on man stop the nonsense. You're speaking

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/GWH2/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg

It's the same shit all the time, Fed will do this and do that, but he brings out the pink dress when he plays Nadal on clay.

Rather harsh considering in 7 matches Federer has won 1 (Hamburg) and had 2 match points in another (Rome).

The last other player to beat Nadal or have match points on clay was Andreev in April 2005 (3 years ago).

I have never known a player so dominant on clay.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 08:18 PM
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Rather harsh considering in 7 matches Federer has won 1 (Hamburg) and had 2 match points in another (Rome).

The last other player to beat Nadal or have match points on clay was Andreev in April 2005 (3 years ago).

I have never known a player so dominant on clay.

Not at all, the Hamburg match, well Nadal played how many weeks in a row and was dead man walking, at the same time Fed loves Hamburg.

Their matches on clay for the most part are rubbish, just the way the match up is.

JediFed
04-26-2008, 08:19 PM
This will be final number 11 for Roger and Rafa.

The record I believe is 19 for Lendl/McEnroe.

Becker/Edberg and Sampras/Agassi, each have 16 finals.

McEnroe/Connors have 15 finals.

Lendl/Becker have 13 finals.

Action Jackson
04-26-2008, 08:20 PM
i want to be one too so that i can ban him
:) :lol:

It's the genius himself.

Rogiman
04-26-2008, 08:23 PM
I'm extremely happy with this week regardless of tomorrow's final :) which will probably go to Nadal in 3.

Lucinda
04-26-2008, 08:31 PM
Nadal 6-3 6-2.

tennis2tennis
04-26-2008, 08:36 PM
I don't see either guy retiring unless they actually rupture an artery either or something

HKz
04-26-2008, 08:40 PM
Rafa is playing great clay court tennis at the moment. If Federer and Nadal play at the same level they each have been playing the past few matches, it will probably be Nadal's win in 3 sets. However, I would think that Federer is very hungry to regain his status as the top player, so who knows if he goes all out with the "nothing to lose" mindset and is able to pull off a win. Nadal is most likely going to win, but I'm going to put my vote for Roger in 3 sets because I would think that he is going to try anything to win.

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-26-2008, 09:20 PM
Even though Fed has gone past all expectations beating david,nole I don't see him beating Nadal tomorrow.

robinhood
04-26-2008, 09:24 PM
Fed in three.
It's about time!!!

Corey Feldman
04-26-2008, 09:27 PM
which will probably go to Nadal in 3.
:lol: mate

you're actually giving Fed a set, ive never seen you so optimistic ;)

gnaz
04-26-2008, 09:33 PM
If Nadal doesn't win he might as well retire and become a nude model.

dorkino
04-26-2008, 09:54 PM
Can't see the point behind those expectations of an easy win to Rafa.

In the last two matches,Fed. has been playing great against both Nalby and Djokovic. Has been able to be mentally stable, with good tactics and accurate shots. He got through sets down in his previous matches. This all surely boosts his spirits and confidence, besides he has got the lesser pressure on his side.

on the other side , Rafa still goes on with short backhands that call for being hit with winners on both sides of the court. Denko did it to him today. Just wasn't always accurate to get them in court. A Fed. like today can trouble him badly. Besides, Rafa has been grabbing strange attitude of low concentration in finals and big points like bps and so. Though these were Hc finals, but he 'll have the higher pressure on his side on clay.

Heart wants Rafa.The guy needs it. But Head says Federer.
Shot me but 2 sets: 6 4 and 6 3.

dkw
04-26-2008, 09:56 PM
I voted Nadal by retirement. It's the only way Federer win these days :)

Bascule
04-26-2008, 10:40 PM
I voted Nadal by retirement. It's the only way Federer win these days :)

Right!;) The only way Fed got this one would be by Rafa's retirement.
Poor Fed.:devil:

If this doesn't happen, Nadal...um...the "DADDY of the clay" in 2!:lol:

scarecrows
04-26-2008, 10:46 PM
I voted Nadal by retirement. It's the only way Federer win these days :)

you do realize that "nadal by retirement" means that fed is the one retiring, dont you?

Kuhne
04-26-2008, 11:10 PM
if this match was closer to the masters cup then I would say Fed as he would be drawing from the confidence of that huge beating he gave Nadal in shangai but a long time passed since that and federer's confidence isn't exactly great at the moment.. so probably rafa.

Commander Data
04-26-2008, 11:12 PM
Fed has some momentum, great wins and a new coach. But Nadal is a monster on clay. I hope that Roger can slay the beast, though.


But if we are realistic Nadal is the clear favorite. If he attacks Roger backhand he will be in trouble as usually, nevertheless I still say Roger in two. If Fed wants to win he needs to attack and finish it quickly IMO.

Byrd
04-26-2008, 11:27 PM
Hmm usually go for Nadal, but I've never seen Federer play his backhand so consistently well on clay before, so I think Fed has a decent chance.

d3ck
04-26-2008, 11:42 PM
As usual, it will depend on Fed's head. If Rafa notices Fed's getting uncomfortable, impatient, not-willing or the like... it'll be easier.

Bernard Black
04-27-2008, 12:20 AM
Tough call! Federer's gone and given me hope he can win this. His backhand will need to be top-notch however. He will need to take risks, go for powerful drives down the line and try to create chances to finish off points at the net. Might be a good idea to use the slice a lot, I've not seen Federer really use the shot a great deal against Nadal in the past but I think it could be effective, keep the ball low and perhaps occasionally draw Nadal into the net to set up the pass.

Faced with the best mover on clay on tour it's going to be tough to pull off. Have to remember Federer has won 6 of the last 8 meetings between the two though, I think he'll go in feeling fairly confident. For once, he doesn't have a huge amount of pressure to win a final, since most people didn't really expect him to be there.

FedFan_2007
04-27-2008, 12:28 AM
Tidus - Fed has won 5/7 meetings since Nadal started out 6-1 in the H2H through 2006 French Open.

Bernard Black
04-27-2008, 12:32 AM
It's like election campaigns. You know they make the promises of how things are going to be different, we have learned from the past and all that. But when it comes down to it, the same shit happens.

Brave words! I prefer to sit on the fence, just in case ;)

You are right though. I mean, there are many ways Federer can beat Nadal IN THEORY. He has thrown the kitchen sink at him already though and Nadal just plays the same, and rarely has to step up a gear. Simply put, Nadal never has a bad day on clay, Federer will need to play one hell of a good match just to get close.

Bernard Black
04-27-2008, 12:34 AM
Tidus - Fed has won 5/7 meetings since Nadal started out 6-1 in the H2H through 2006 French Open.

My bad. Thanks for the correction :)

freeandlonely
04-27-2008, 01:15 AM
Roger in 3.

adee-gee
04-27-2008, 01:21 AM
I wish Nadal would change his strategy and elect to serve first if he wins the toss.....He almost never breaks in the first game, and having to constantly come from behind against a guy like Federer is tough.

It's not going to happen, but I thought I'd make the point anyway.

NYCtennisfan
04-27-2008, 01:23 AM
I wish Nadal would change his strategy and elect to serve first if he wins the toss.....He almost never breaks in the first game, and having to constantly come from behind against a guy like Federer is tough.

It's not going to happen, but I thought I'd make the point anyway.

This is true. No matter what the case, Federer almost always plays better when serving first and breaks what seems like 80% of the time in the first 2 or 3 return games when up 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, etc.

Bernard Black
04-27-2008, 01:23 AM
I wish Nadal would change his strategy and elect to serve first if he wins the toss.....He almost never breaks in the first game, and having to constantly come from behind against a guy like Federer is tough.

It's not going to happen, but I thought I'd make the point anyway.

Yeah, then he'd win all his sets 6-1 instead of 6-2...clearly where he's been going wrong ;)

adee-gee
04-27-2008, 01:46 AM
Yeah, then he'd win all his sets 6-1 instead of 6-2...clearly where he's been going wrong ;)
Yes, he'd have had more customers at the bakery :mad:

But seriously, he hasn't played someone with a serve as good as Federer who is likely to keep it close. If Federer leads 5-4*, he can take chances on the return game. I just cannot think what possible advantage it can be for Nadal to return first.

SwiSha
04-27-2008, 01:54 AM
PMK - stop being a typical MTF retard. We all know Fed is a warrior when he plays Nadal on the clay. Remember 2006 Roma?

you mean where he hit a terrible Ue on MP? fh if i remember right

i am happy that you are off the suicide watch though with feds late success

Apemant
04-27-2008, 02:01 AM
Let's remind ourselves of the basic problems Roger will face tomorrow: (repetito est mater studiorum)

Movement. Nadal is the best mover on clay, bar none. Fed is also good, an obvious second, but I'm not convinced about this yet. I've noticed on many occasions vs. Nole that he slides only AFTER he hits a forehand. Against lesser opponents he might get away with that because of the quality of that shot - but it won't cut it against Nadal. Federer does usually grow impatient when his wannabe winners get back at him over and over again...

Backhand. People talk about how great Fed's BH looked in his last two matches. Yes, it did look impressive. BUT, it was because David tried to out-angle him and Nole tried to overpower him, on the BH side. Roger however is very adept at both working with angles and redirecting power on the backhand side, IF it is in his hitting zone. And we all know what Nadal will do to him tomorrow: constant barrage of heavy topspin shots to his BH, which bounce well over his head. I'm not sure that in those circumstances his BH will hold as well as it did so far, or in Hamburg last year (where the bounce is very low, too).

So, unless Fed (Jose?) does something miraculous, it's Nadal all the way, most likely in two. Hopefully Fed pushes it to 3 though, but I don't really expect miracles. (Hope dies last however :devil: )

Clay Death
04-27-2008, 02:11 AM
This is clay NOT HC.


Fed has 8 matches under his belt on clay and he is 8-0. this gives him confidence.

he is also serving like hell and attacking as much as possible with his forehand. he has sort of rediscovered his punishing forehand.

Nadal has to return well and pass well. in addition, he has to keep Fed deep in the backcourt. the old formula can work again. pin him deep and send relentless topspin drives to his backhand to open up the court.

everything has to click tomorrow for Nadal.

Chiseller
04-27-2008, 02:17 AM
I am curious about Fed's backhand tomorrow, looked very solid last 2 matches.
Nadal in either 3 or 2 which is more likely to happen.

Clay Death
04-27-2008, 02:26 AM
Tough call! Federer's gone and given me hope he can win this. His backhand will need to be top-notch however. He will need to take risks, go for powerful drives down the line and try to create chances to finish off points at the net. Might be a good idea to use the slice a lot, I've not seen Federer really use the shot a great deal against Nadal in the past but I think it could be effective, keep the ball low and perhaps occasionally draw Nadal into the net to set up the pass.

Faced with the best mover on clay on tour it's going to be tough to pull off. Have to remember Federer has won 6 of the last 8 meetings between the two though, I think he'll go in feeling fairly confident. For once, he doesn't have a huge amount of pressure to win a final, since most people didn't really expect him to be there.

very tough call this time around. Nadal is trying to emerge from his long slump and Fed is suddenly playing well again.

basically everything has to go right for Nadal tomorrow.

TMJordan
04-27-2008, 02:27 AM
Nadal will win in 2.

Apemant
04-27-2008, 02:34 AM
basically everything has to go right for Nadal tomorrow.

Actually it's the other way around: everything has to go right for Federer, to stand a real chance. The default is that Nadal wins.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 03:57 AM
I think Roger is playing with the house's money really. He should've lost to Hidalgo being down 1-5, but now he can go out and swing like there is no tomorrow. I think tomorrow should be a great opportunity for Jose to develop the right plan of attack against Nadal at Paris. You can never learn enough by playing someone numerous times, especially if you have lost most of them in a close fashion. I still think Djokovic is Federer's best chance to winning Paris (he does seem capable of hurting Nadal more with his double handed backhand, but he needs to stop retiring).

Clay Death
04-27-2008, 04:23 AM
Actually it's the other way around: everything has to go right for Federer, to stand a real chance. The default is that Nadal wins.

Fed has too much talent. He said just today that Nadal is jsut a grinder and that he took too much time in defeating Davydenko.

Its Nadal who has to have everything working. and he needs a little help from Fed.

RagingLamb
04-27-2008, 04:26 AM
Fed has too much talent. He said just today that Nadal is jsut a grinder and that he took too much time in defeating Davydenko.

Its Nadal who has to have everything working. and he needs a little help from Fed.

Fed actually said that??

Chiseller
04-27-2008, 04:30 AM
Fed actually said that??

I wouldn't bet a house on anything brain death is wibbling.

Clay Death
04-27-2008, 04:38 AM
Fed actually said that??

go to atptennis.com and check it out for yourself. i have no cause to lie.

Clay Death
04-27-2008, 04:38 AM
I wouldn't bet a house on anything brain death is wibbling.


moron. you dare call me a liar.

Johnny Groove
04-27-2008, 04:45 AM
very tough call this time around. Nadal is trying to emerge from his long slump and Fed is suddenly playing well again.

basically everything has to go right for Nadal tomorrow.

Fed has too much talent. He said just today that Nadal is jsut a grinder and that he took too much time in defeating Davydenko.

Its Nadal who has to have everything working. and he needs a little help from Fed.

You're joking right?

Nadal is the one that needs to play perfect? :retard: :rolleyes:

Nadal at 75% on clay will beat a Fed at 110%

Corey Feldman
04-27-2008, 04:49 AM
moron. you dare call me a liar.He cant match those 2 big hairy balls hanging down by your feet Clay Death :worship:

NYCtennisfan
04-27-2008, 05:11 AM
You're joking right?

Nadal is the one that needs to play perfect? :retard: :rolleyes:

Nadal at 75% on clay will beat a Fed at 110%

Nobody can play 110%.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 05:14 AM
Q. How do you think you match up with him tomorrow, given the way you've been playing?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, he's been impressive, no doubt. I think he's been playing excellent. I think there's only, if that, a handful of players who can really beat him on clay, you know. He's that dominant. The way, you know, he moves around the ball especially, but also himself, it's great to see. It would have been interesting to see a third set against Ferrer maybe, you know.
But the matches he wins, he grinds them out. Even if he wins today 2-3, it's still a one-and-a-half-hour match, which is quite surprising. So it shows you you'll always get your chance against him. I'd like to be able to push him tomorrow and see what he can come up with at the most important moments.
I think it's going to be an interesting match because I'm playing well again. I'm definitely going to have to use a better and a good game plan tomorrow than compared to last year where I thought I played pretty disappointing.

FedFan_2007
04-27-2008, 05:48 AM
Blaze - stop being retarded. Nadal DOES have to play 100% to have a shot at beating Fed.

SheepleBuster
04-27-2008, 06:02 AM
I just hope Federer performs better than last Monte Carlo. He was utterly rubbish last year but still it was 4 and 4. Let's hope Good Roger shows up tomorrow and keeps Nadal without a title going to Rome.

Monteque
04-27-2008, 06:10 AM
I think it will be the split decision due to both retirement.

aussie_fan
04-27-2008, 06:25 AM
nadal has to win in straight sets you would think, he wants a title

aussie_fan
04-27-2008, 06:27 AM
I think it will be the split decision due to both retirement.

Huh, it's not Djokovic vs. Davydenko

BaggyGreen92
04-27-2008, 06:32 AM
2 sets nadal. Go the clay maestro.

sawan66278
04-27-2008, 06:59 AM
Most nervous I've been as a Rafa fan in a while. Why? Titleless in 2008? So close...and yet, so far...If he had just won Miami over Davy-tenko...even if he lost, it wouldn't matter that much...

I'll say head: Rafa in two
I'll say heart (full of fear): Roger in two...with serving like Shanghai:eek:

TheSwissMaster
04-27-2008, 07:47 AM
Fed has 8 matches under his belt on clay and he is 8-0. this gives him confidence.

he is also serving like hell and attacking as much as possible with his forehand. he has sort of rediscovered his punishing forehand.

Nadal has to return well and pass well. in addition, he has to keep Fed deep in the backcourt. the old formula can work again. pin him deep and send relentless topspin drives to his backhand to open up the court.

everything has to click tomorrow for Nadal.

hey, trying to jinx roger.:lol:
but u dont need to as its clay and as PMK said its going to be the same old story of the past three years :sad:

Tnn74
04-27-2008, 07:52 AM
Come on Rafito! :bounce: Rip him up tomorrow! :rocker2:

safinalium
04-27-2008, 08:46 AM
Nadal in 2.

No chance for Federer.

Action Jackson
04-27-2008, 08:54 AM
Brave words! I prefer to sit on the fence, just in case ;)

You are right though. I mean, there are many ways Federer can beat Nadal IN THEORY. He has thrown the kitchen sink at him already though and Nadal just plays the same, and rarely has to step up a gear. Simply put, Nadal never has a bad day on clay, Federer will need to play one hell of a good match just to get close.

Not really that brave, sure it would be good if Federer wins. Yes, there are a quite things he can do in theory, but it counts for nowt, if he can execute them and the fact Nadal has never really had to play well on this surface to beat him. Rome was where Federer as above his normal level on clay and Nadal steady and we know what happened there.

DrJules
04-27-2008, 11:39 AM
Huh, it's not Djokovic vs. Davydenko

That could have created the situation of both players going to the umpire to retire at the same time.:devil:

dragons112
04-27-2008, 12:09 PM
I have no idea it depends on how oger plays really If he is not shanking forehands he will win. Its a great match

arm
04-27-2008, 12:46 PM
As much as Federer played very well yesterday, he just doesn't have the game for Nadal...

So I hopoe Federer wins, but I don't think it will happen.

Queens.
04-27-2008, 12:54 PM
Go Roger! :rocker2:

Herdwick
04-27-2008, 12:57 PM
That could have created the situation of both players going to the umpire to retire at the same time.:devil:

Yeah - like that episode of Porridge with the boxing - who goes down first?:D

Would really love Roger to win today - think it will be Nadal though.

cherry2008
04-27-2008, 01:03 PM
Nadal is going to look like an idiot if he loses... All the players in the top 7 have titles but him. And now imagine all the players in the top 7 having 2 titles but him. Simply ridiculous for a #2...

Lleyt2Berate
04-27-2008, 02:08 PM
I wish Nadal would change his strategy and elect to serve first if he wins the toss.....He almost never breaks in the first game, and having to constantly come from behind against a guy like Federer is tough.

It's not going to happen, but I thought I'd make the point anyway.

Interesting change in strategy--Federer elects to receive. Can't remember the last time he did that.

sphiie
04-27-2008, 03:24 PM
Vamos RAFA! what is he doing? :confused: he leads 7-5 but in the 2nd set, he falls down. 0-4 !! What's going on. Go Rafa, do not let Roger eat you. It's your title...

The winner has to win 2 or 3sets?

RagingLamb
04-27-2008, 04:05 PM
boy was I wrong about this one. good call pmk :yeah:

Adler
04-27-2008, 04:06 PM
Is this the end of the infamous MTF Poll Curse or was it just a minor accident?

RagingLamb
04-27-2008, 04:11 PM
Is this the end of the infamous MTF Poll Curse or was it just a minor accident?

probably just a minor glitch in the space-time continuum.

bad gambler
04-27-2008, 04:13 PM
Is this the end of the infamous MTF Poll Curse or was it just a minor accident?

Doesn't apply when predicting a Nadal outcome on clay

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Stefwhit
04-27-2008, 05:24 PM
Ugh, I have such a love hate relationship with Fedal finals. On one level, there's nothing better than seeing the top two players of this generation, two players with opposing styles and on court personas going head to head, they always seem to bring out the best in each other, but then again, I'm always so insanely nervous and convinced Rafa is going to lose every time, even on clay, I have difficulty enjoying them.. Anyway, heart says Rafa, head says Rafa, but gut says Fed. Make of that what you will.
I can so relate to this post! My nerves always get the best of me when Rafa plays, especially when he plays Fed- and like you said, even on clay. I spend more time changing the channels worried that what I'm doing thousand of miles away might somehow have an adverse effect on Nadal. I used to be like that with Serena, but since I feel like she's in more control of what happens to her it's not as bad as when I'm watching Nadal.

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adee-gee
04-27-2008, 05:42 PM
Interesting change in strategy--Federer elects to receive. Can't remember the last time he did that.
Ridiculous decision by Roger, and he paid the price.