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The first half of the season belongs to the men and the second to the women - agree..

Tutu
04-25-2008, 01:10 PM
or disagree? Watching the high quality match between Fed and Nalbandian made me think about this. The mens game relys so much on topspin-heavy rallies. Players, especially on clay, try and outhit their opponents with the heaviness of their shots - not the power. This play is obviously more suited to the claycourts, the slower hardcourts of Plexicushion (and also rebound ace) and the relatively slower indoor hardcourts all found with in the first 6 months of the year. Most ATP players love it. Obviously there are exceptions e.g Federer and the Americans who find themselves much more at home on the fast grasscourts and hardcourts of this world (aka WImbledon and US Open) but this is the general rule. As the small grasscourt season comes to the fore, it seems that the quality of the matches slowly drops. Nowadays, most mens players perform best on claycourts. Obviously this should make sense considering most players are from europe of south America but looking at the womens' game, things just don't really add up. Evidence to support this is the fact that Wimbledon has gone out of their way to slow down the courts to more suit the topspin-heavy rallies of the men's game rather than the flat ball hitting of the women's game.

The women's game is completely different. Let's face it, women have different body types to the men and if every single WTA player tried to sacrifice some of that power they get from flat ball striking to add more topspin, it just wouldn't work. The game would just be a bunch of moonballers. Obviously there are exceptions like Schnyder who has good results using a topspin heavy game and players like Justine and Tati Golovin with which you see almost dramatic differences on different surfaces but flat-ball hitting is the norm with the women. Just look at the no. 2 and 3; Ivanovic and Sharapova, both aim to go out on court and hit the ball hard. They're by no means quick and not natural athletes AT ALL but it works for them. This first half of the season has been quite horrible for the Women and i've been more impressed with the men. I think this will definatly turn around come the grasscourt season. Although, as most MTFers are quickly to bring up, many more WTA matches are error fests (see US Open semi-final Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova)when they do get it right, IMO, it's even more exciting than the men's matches (ironically, you just have to look at the very next match for evidence - Henin vs Venus in the US Open Semis). Which is why the Men own the first half and women, the second.


Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o

Beforehand
04-25-2008, 01:26 PM
Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o
:hug:

Good luck with that, though.

uNIVERSE mAN
04-25-2008, 01:42 PM
I'm not going to bother constructing a response to refute this garbage.

scoobs
04-25-2008, 01:46 PM
Sounds like nonsense to me.

I watch and follow the WTA but I find mens tennis to be much higher quality and generally entertaining than the women, whichever part of the season we're in.

lalit
04-25-2008, 02:53 PM
the only part where this is true is the one month grass season
we have some real clay court mugs out there in the ATP tour
who are real "cows on ice" on grass to borrow sharapova's term
whereas the women play decent grass court tennis

Manon
04-25-2008, 03:53 PM
Sounds like nonsense to me.



It sounds.

StevoTG
04-25-2008, 04:31 PM
US Open provides a lot of great mens in my opinion. The best womens match I've seen was probably in Madrid but I'd still have to disagree with the statement. Also more of the women seem to be worn out in the second half of the season than the men.
:cool:

GlennMirnyi
04-25-2008, 04:33 PM
http://www.megagadgets.nl/images/bullshit2.jpg

cheese101
04-25-2008, 04:38 PM
That makes sense, although I think it has to do with the women playing better tennis during the Wimbledon-U.S. Open run. Mostly because they are more fitted to play on those courts. Women will likely not produce a Roddick-El Aynaoui in Australia but the men probably won't have a match as dramatic as Venus-Davenport at Wimbledon.

prima donna
04-25-2008, 04:41 PM
I'll choose to politely disagree.

StevoTG
04-25-2008, 04:43 PM
That makes sense, although I think it has to do with the women playing better tennis during the Wimbledon-U.S. Open run. Mostly because they are more fitted to play on those courts. Women will likely not produce a Roddick-El Aynaoui in Australia but the men probably won't have a match as dramatic as Venus-Davenport at Wimbledon.

Women will definitely never produce Roddick-El Aynaoui if they never play best-of-5 sets. However to say that the men won't have as dramatic a match as Venus-Davenport is almost more down to opinion. I will admit that I've only seen mini clips of the Venus-Davenport clash, but I still don't agree ;).

ReturnWinner
04-25-2008, 04:45 PM
haha the whole year belongs to the men, not even a day for the women :p

Merton
04-25-2008, 04:47 PM
There is no comparison between the ATP and the WTA.

GlennMirnyi
04-25-2008, 04:49 PM
WTA isn't tennis.

Byrd
04-25-2008, 04:52 PM
or disagree? Watching the high quality match between Fed and Nalbandian made me think about this. The mens game relys so much on topspin-heavy rallies. Players, especially on clay, try and outhit their opponents with the heaviness of their shots - not the power. This play is obviously more suited to the claycourts, the slower hardcourts of Plexicushion (and also rebound ace) and the relatively slower indoor hardcourts all found with in the first 6 months of the year. Most ATP players love it. Obviously there are exceptions e.g Federer and the Americans who find themselves much more at home on the fast grasscourts and hardcourts of this world (aka WImbledon and US Open) but this is the general rule. As the small grasscourt season comes to the fore, it seems that the quality of the matches slowly drops. Nowadays, most mens players perform best on claycourts. Obviously this should make sense considering most players are from europe of south America but looking at the womens' game, things just don't really add up. Evidence to support this is the fact that Wimbledon has gone out of their way to slow down the courts to more suit the topspin-heavy rallies of the men's game rather than the flat ball hitting of the women's game.

The women's game is completely different. Let's face it, women have different body types to the men and if every single WTA player tried to sacrifice some of that power they get from flat ball striking to add more topspin, it just wouldn't work. The game would just be a bunch of moonballers. Obviously there are exceptions like Schnyder who has good results using a topspin heavy game and players like Justine and Tati Golovin with which you see almost dramatic differences on different surfaces but flat-ball hitting is the norm with the women. Just look at the no. 2 and 3; Ivanovic and Sharapova, both aim to go out on court and hit the ball hard. They're by no means quick and not natural athletes AT ALL but it works for them. This first half of the season has been quite horrible for the Women and i've been more impressed with the men. I think this will definatly turn around come the grasscourt season. Although, as most MTFers are quickly to bring up, many more WTA matches are error fests (see US Open semi-final Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova)when they do get it right, IMO, it's even more exciting than the men's matches (ironically, you just have to look at the very next match for evidence - Henin vs Venus in the US Open Semis). Which is why the Men own the first half and women, the second.


Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o

Fuck WTA

Jimnik
04-25-2008, 04:55 PM
Disagree. :)

bluefork
04-25-2008, 05:04 PM
Eh. I can't watch WTA tennis except for Henin and maybe Schnyder and Schiavone (but they don't win much these days). Sharapova, Ivanovic, Vaidisova, the Williams sisters, etc--they're just mindless ball bashers. Actually, it's kind of like watching a bunch of players who move as well as Roddick and have the strategy of James Blake. Not my cup of tea.

Kitty de Sade
04-25-2008, 05:05 PM
I'm a woman, and I couldn't disagree more with this. There is no comparison between the ATP and the WTA, except the women wear nicer outfits.

jazar
04-25-2008, 05:06 PM
i watch mens tennis to see good quality matches and womens tennis to watch eye candy, which is why i watch so few wta matches

sawan66278
04-25-2008, 05:18 PM
or disagree? Watching the high quality match between Fed and Nalbandian made me think about this. The mens game relys so much on topspin-heavy rallies. Players, especially on clay, try and outhit their opponents with the heaviness of their shots - not the power. This play is obviously more suited to the claycourts, the slower hardcourts of Plexicushion (and also rebound ace) and the relatively slower indoor hardcourts all found with in the first 6 months of the year. Most ATP players love it. Obviously there are exceptions e.g Federer and the Americans who find themselves much more at home on the fast grasscourts and hardcourts of this world (aka WImbledon and US Open) but this is the general rule. As the small grasscourt season comes to the fore, it seems that the quality of the matches slowly drops. Nowadays, most mens players perform best on claycourts. Obviously this should make sense considering most players are from europe of south America but looking at the womens' game, things just don't really add up. Evidence to support this is the fact that Wimbledon has gone out of their way to slow down the courts to more suit the topspin-heavy rallies of the men's game rather than the flat ball hitting of the women's game.

The women's game is completely different. Let's face it, women have different body types to the men and if every single WTA player tried to sacrifice some of that power they get from flat ball striking to add more topspin, it just wouldn't work. The game would just be a bunch of moonballers. Obviously there are exceptions like Schnyder who has good results using a topspin heavy game and players like Justine and Tati Golovin with which you see almost dramatic differences on different surfaces but flat-ball hitting is the norm with the women. Just look at the no. 2 and 3; Ivanovic and Sharapova, both aim to go out on court and hit the ball hard. They're by no means quick and not natural athletes AT ALL but it works for them. This first half of the season has been quite horrible for the Women and i've been more impressed with the men. I think this will definatly turn around come the grasscourt season. Although, as most MTFers are quickly to bring up, many more WTA matches are error fests (see US Open semi-final Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova)when they do get it right, IMO, it's even more exciting than the men's matches (ironically, you just have to look at the very next match for evidence - Henin vs Venus in the US Open Semis). Which is why the Men own the first half and women, the second.


Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o

Games between two 10-yr. olds on Nintendo Wii are more entertaining than any WTA tour "match" this decade.

Kitty de Sade
04-25-2008, 05:22 PM
I will make an exception in Mattek's case, J. She's got a pretty big figurative set to wear that in public. :hearts:

zicofirol
04-25-2008, 05:24 PM
http://walshm.site.net.au/f1_hosting/stupid_thread.jpg

StevoTG
04-25-2008, 05:25 PM
Aside from a few players like Henin, Mauresmo, and Schnyder, the WTA is overall a chore to watch these days.

When Sharapova is on form she can play some nice tennis off of both wings, I'd like a bit more variety but hey if it works for her. I know it's not WTA world so I should include a male players name. Sharapova reminds me a bit of Roddick, plenty of hustle from the back of the court, Maria is a bit more aggressive in rallies though.

Bascule
04-25-2008, 05:28 PM
Games between two 10-yr. olds on Nintendo Wii are more entertaining than any WTA tour "match" this decade.

Your should loose your title, Lieutenant. You're not gentleman at all. And officers should be gentlemen as well, right? Like Richard Gere was.:p

StevoTG
04-25-2008, 05:32 PM
They have to be figurative because she certainly doesn't have room for them in that get-up. :worship:



True, however I usually don't watch her because I value my my eardrums and her game doesn't interest me enough to put them on the line. :lol: Same goes for the Williams (particularly Venus) - they can be great to watch if they're on but unless they're up against someone I specifically want to watch I prefer to do other things and let my ears rest in peace. :umbrella:

True, fair points :cool:

jetblackheart
04-25-2008, 05:35 PM
You can't start a thread on this forum that involves WTA and expect there to be no bashing, unfortunately. :rolls:

Jaap
04-25-2008, 06:29 PM
or disagree? Watching the high quality match between Fed and Nalbandian made me think about this. The mens game relys so much on topspin-heavy rallies. Players, especially on clay, try and outhit their opponents with the heaviness of their shots - not the power. This play is obviously more suited to the claycourts, the slower hardcourts of Plexicushion (and also rebound ace) and the relatively slower indoor hardcourts all found with in the first 6 months of the year. Most ATP players love it. Obviously there are exceptions e.g Federer and the Americans who find themselves much more at home on the fast grasscourts and hardcourts of this world (aka WImbledon and US Open) but this is the general rule. As the small grasscourt season comes to the fore, it seems that the quality of the matches slowly drops. Nowadays, most mens players perform best on claycourts. Obviously this should make sense considering most players are from europe of south America but looking at the womens' game, things just don't really add up. Evidence to support this is the fact that Wimbledon has gone out of their way to slow down the courts to more suit the topspin-heavy rallies of the men's game rather than the flat ball hitting of the women's game.

The women's game is completely different. Let's face it, women have different body types to the men and if every single WTA player tried to sacrifice some of that power they get from flat ball striking to add more topspin, it just wouldn't work. The game would just be a bunch of moonballers. Obviously there are exceptions like Schnyder who has good results using a topspin heavy game and players like Justine and Tati Golovin with which you see almost dramatic differences on different surfaces but flat-ball hitting is the norm with the women. Just look at the no. 2 and 3; Ivanovic and Sharapova, both aim to go out on court and hit the ball hard. They're by no means quick and not natural athletes AT ALL but it works for them. This first half of the season has been quite horrible for the Women and i've been more impressed with the men. I think this will definatly turn around come the grasscourt season. Although, as most MTFers are quickly to bring up, many more WTA matches are error fests (see US Open semi-final Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova)when they do get it right, IMO, it's even more exciting than the men's matches (ironically, you just have to look at the very next match for evidence - Henin vs Venus in the US Open Semis). Which is why the Men own the first half and women, the second.


Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o

Mug.

Toko
04-25-2008, 06:32 PM
Lol at this thread.

dodoboy
04-25-2008, 06:36 PM
OMG!

I guess MTF love WTA :rolleyes:

scarecrows
04-25-2008, 06:40 PM
OMG!

I guess MTF love WTA :rolleyes:

especially Serena :hearts:

Toko
04-25-2008, 06:42 PM
especially Serena :hearts:

What about him?

rocketassist
04-25-2008, 06:45 PM
WTA should be consigned to a public park, not stadiums.

scarecrows
04-25-2008, 06:51 PM
What about him?

him what?

Toko
04-25-2008, 06:52 PM
him what?

Serena him.

bokehlicious
04-25-2008, 06:54 PM
:tape: :tape: :tape: :tape: :tape: :tape: :tape:

TMJordan
04-25-2008, 06:55 PM
especially Serena :hearts:

Come on man.

scarecrows
04-25-2008, 06:57 PM
Come on man.

Golden Slam This Year, Mark My Words

alfonsojose
04-25-2008, 07:03 PM
When Sharapova is on form she can play some nice tennis off of both wings, I'd like a bit more variety but hey if it works for her. I know it's not WTA world so I should include a male players name. Sharapova reminds me a bit of Roddick, plenty of hustle from the back of the court, Maria is a bit more aggressive in rallies though.

Andy's forheand isn't agressive anymore. Sharapova is way better than him :tape:

TMJordan
04-25-2008, 07:03 PM
Golden Slam This Year, Mark My Words

nai

TMJordan
04-25-2008, 07:34 PM
or disagree? Watching the high quality match between Fed and Nalbandian made me think about this. The mens game relys so much on topspin-heavy rallies. Players, especially on clay, try and outhit their opponents with the heaviness of their shots - not the power. This play is obviously more suited to the claycourts, the slower hardcourts of Plexicushion (and also rebound ace) and the relatively slower indoor hardcourts all found with in the first 6 months of the year. Most ATP players love it. Obviously there are exceptions e.g Federer and the Americans who find themselves much more at home on the fast grasscourts and hardcourts of this world (aka WImbledon and US Open) but this is the general rule. As the small grasscourt season comes to the fore, it seems that the quality of the matches slowly drops. Nowadays, most mens players perform best on claycourts. Obviously this should make sense considering most players are from europe of south America but looking at the womens' game, things just don't really add up. Evidence to support this is the fact that Wimbledon has gone out of their way to slow down the courts to more suit the topspin-heavy rallies of the men's game rather than the flat ball hitting of the women's game.

The women's game is completely different. Let's face it, women have different body types to the men and if every single WTA player tried to sacrifice some of that power they get from flat ball striking to add more topspin, it just wouldn't work. The game would just be a bunch of moonballers. Obviously there are exceptions like Schnyder who has good results using a topspin heavy game and players like Justine and Tati Golovin with which you see almost dramatic differences on different surfaces but flat-ball hitting is the norm with the women. Just look at the no. 2 and 3; Ivanovic and Sharapova, both aim to go out on court and hit the ball hard. They're by no means quick and not natural athletes AT ALL but it works for them. This first half of the season has been quite horrible for the Women and i've been more impressed with the men. I think this will definatly turn around come the grasscourt season. Although, as most MTFers are quickly to bring up, many more WTA matches are error fests (see US Open semi-final Chakvetadze vs Kuznetsova)when they do get it right, IMO, it's even more exciting than the men's matches (ironically, you just have to look at the very next match for evidence - Henin vs Venus in the US Open Semis). Which is why the Men own the first half and women, the second.


Oh, and no WTA bashing, please. :o

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scarecrows
04-25-2008, 07:46 PM
lolz, quality vid

Nathaliia
04-25-2008, 07:49 PM
Why there's another WTA thread on MTF?

Mods?

Adler
04-25-2008, 07:51 PM
Damn, what a video :haha:

Nathaliia
04-25-2008, 07:53 PM
especially Serena :hearts:
you cheat on me with that large ass wardrobe :rolleyes:

Black Adam
04-25-2008, 08:04 PM
I think I can safely tell you this: The majority of folks here don't give a rat's ass about WTA. Go home and in the future don't waste your time writing pointless garbage.

ChrisDoesDallas
04-25-2008, 08:08 PM
I don't care for the ATP in general as much as WTA, but both are consistently underwhelming and boring. The ATP is hardly as good as people would like to make it to be--sure, it has better scheduling and ranking system, but the quality of the matches themselves are :rolleyes: in general.

Monte Carlo maybe just has me in a bad mood. This has been the most boring ATP masters event I can remember in FOREVER. And I love clay.

LoveFifteen
04-25-2008, 08:19 PM
Dear Original Poster, this just isn't the place to discuss the WTA at all because this forum is full of WTA haters who won't give women's tennis even an ounce of credit.

Tutu
04-25-2008, 11:35 PM
Compared to the other times of stuck up for WTA, this is nothing P :unsure:) I just wanted to hear how people over here react TO THE TRUTH!

Oh, and this isn't a WTA thread. It's one of those threrads with equal WTA and ATP. Get over it.

rocketassist
04-25-2008, 11:38 PM
Dear Original Poster, this just isn't the place to discuss the WTA at all because this forum is full of WTA haters who won't give women's tennis even an ounce of credit.

Because it's shit, and not tennis.

leng jai
04-25-2008, 11:42 PM
The only tennis remotely worth watching for 5 minutes is Henin hitting against a brick wall.

TMJordan
04-26-2008, 02:10 AM
Compared to the other times of stuck up for WTA, this is nothing P :unsure:) I just wanted to hear how people over here react TO THE TRUTH!

Oh, and this isn't a WTA thread. It's one of those threrads with equal WTA and ATP. Get over it.

Maybe you did not see the video of the dog masterbating?

GlennMirnyi
04-26-2008, 02:18 AM
The WTA isn't equals with ATP.

Toko
04-26-2008, 02:51 AM
If someone told me to watch WTA or have my family killed, I would watch WTA.

But only after some serious thought.

No, it's not that I don't love my family, it's how shitty WTA is:(

Snowwy
04-26-2008, 04:49 AM
the men probably won't have a match as dramatic as Venus-Davenport at Wimbledon.

Nadal-Federer umm just last year?
Henman also just last year.

Tutu
04-26-2008, 10:04 PM
The WTA isn't equals with ATP.

The prize money in GSs say different. ;)

Any doubter got owned time ago.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article679416.ece

scarecrows
04-26-2008, 10:08 PM
The prize money in GSs say different. ;)

Any doubter got owned time ago.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article679416.ece

Penus sucks

GlennMirnyi
04-26-2008, 10:11 PM
The prize money in GSs say different. ;)

Any doubter got owned time ago.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article679416.ece

So? The utter crapness of the matches agrees with me. :wavey:

rocketassist
04-26-2008, 10:19 PM
The prize money in GSs say different. ;)

Any doubter got owned time ago.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article679416.ece

Quality of tennis, and revenue?

WTA should be played at Roehampton instead of clogging up the real tennis in June.

Tutu
04-26-2008, 10:21 PM
Anyway, I don't know why everyone here is getting so defensive around here, my post wasn't even talking about whether womens tennis is better than mens. Im not that stupid to bring that topic up in a Men's forum. All I wanted to say is do you agree that the fact that the mens' and womens' approach to tennis is very different and which is why the First two slams produce better tennis for the men and the latter 2 two the women. I started rambling and one sentence said that IMO womens tennis at it's best is more exciting than mens and suddenly you're reading the thread as "WOmen's tennis is better than men's - agree or disagree". Read the threadtitle and then all you people in this thread unnecessarily bitchassing in here, shhh. I don't see the reason to be so defensive unless you feel threatened by the WTA and its stars.

rocketassist
04-26-2008, 10:26 PM
Anyway, I don't know why everyone here is getting so defensive around here, my post wasn't even talking about whether womens tennis is better than mens. Im not that stupid to bring that topic up in a Men's forum. All I wanted to say is do you agree that the fact that the mens' and womens' approach to tennis is very different and which is why the First two slams produce better tennis for the men and the latter 2 two the women. I started rambling and one sentence said that IMO womens tennis at it's best is more exciting than mens and suddenly you're reading the thread as "WOmen's tennis is better than men's - agree or disagree". Read the threadtitle and then all you people in this thread unnecessarily bitchassing in here, shhh. I don't see the reason to be so defensive unless you feel threatened by the WTA and its stars.

So the latter 2 slams the better tennis comes from WTA? Go and watch Henman-Moya, Djokovic-Baghdatis, Gasquet-Roddick, Federer-Nadal from Wimbledon and come back.

GlennMirnyi
04-26-2008, 10:32 PM
WTA isn't tennis. If you wanna discuss it, go to wtaworld.

Tutu
04-26-2008, 10:47 PM
WTA isn't tennis. If you wanna discuss it, go to wtaworld.

Sorry but what is wtaworld? :confused::confused:

~*BGT*~
04-26-2008, 10:59 PM
Sorry but what is wtaworld? :confused::confused:

MTF's sister site.

azinna
04-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Well, I think the WTA has more 'stars' (whatever that means), personalities and more drama potential to their matches. But the actual quality of the play rarely meets the drama potential till around Wimbledon. Partly because the women are more fit and ready come June; partly because, yes, the faster surfaces more often suit the games of the star-players. This rise in quality continues on till September, after which they all rapidly get tired and sloppy.

The opposite may be true for the men: the quality of their points/matches remains quite good to high throughout the season. But only once in a while, usually during some unexpected 5-setter in the 3rd or 4th round, do the dramatic stakes come close to matching the quality. Most of the time one player is still playing better than the other, getting the needed breaks and wrapping things up in two or four sets. Since the men often let their racquets do the talking, you're sort of waiting for those final sets heroics to see/hear something really newsworthy.

jetblackheart
04-26-2008, 11:11 PM
WTA isn't tennis. If you wanna discuss it, go to wtaworld.
:secret: It's tennisforum.com now. :p

Toko
04-26-2008, 11:13 PM
WTA is garbage, worse then ATP in every possible department(except the looks).

Acer
04-26-2008, 11:20 PM
While I don't exactly agree with the first post in this thread, I can't help but notice the number of ignorants and poofs with small penises who feel ashmed of watching women's tennis. It's a totally different game, but still very entertaining. Grow up.

JediFed
04-26-2008, 11:25 PM
If the revenue earned was equal, why didn't they set the purse at a proportion of the individual revenues?

It was seen as a progressive measure, which is they take from the men to compensate the women. Same as always.

Rogieva
04-26-2008, 11:44 PM
WTA is garbage, worse then ATP in every possible department(except the looks).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18b1z_P0IdU

:wavey:

Toko
04-26-2008, 11:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18b1z_P0IdU

:wavey:

.....

Most of the time:(

Tutu
04-27-2008, 12:24 AM
MTF's sister site.

It's not wtaworld anymore. How interesting does 'Tennis Forum' sound?

krystlel
04-27-2008, 12:37 AM
It's not wtaworld anymore. How interesting does 'Tennis Forum' sound?
:lol: That sounds SO bland. And there is no reference to it being a women's tennis board...

Tutu
04-27-2008, 12:39 AM
While I don't exactly agree with the first post in this thread, I can't help but notice the number of ignorants and poofs with small penises who feel ashmed of watching women's tennis. It's a totally different game, but still very entertaining. Grow up.
Thank you. I wasn't trying to put-down or big up eith er game. I like both equally. I was just saying that the womens' approach to the game of tennis (flat ball striking, drive volleys) is much more suited to grass than the topspin-heavy rallies of men. And vice versa. I thought it was quite obvious anyway but apparently not.

If the revenue earned was equal, why didn't they set the purse at a proportion of the individual revenues?

It was seen as a progressive measure, which is they take from the men to compensate the women. Same as always.

What exactly are they taking from the men, though? They're
giving to the women, not taking from the men. I'm a straight guy and I still don't have a problem with that. I didn't before, but after reading Venus' article and seeing the response, I understand. Venus is the most powerful tennis player in the world, man or woman (off the court). Anyway, as I said before, this wasn't the main aim of this thread. I just wanted to see if people agreed that Flat ball striking compliments a grasscourt more than topspin and vice versa on a clay court. Apparently that's a forbidden question

Tutu
04-27-2008, 12:41 AM
:lol: That sounds SO bland. And there is no reference to it being a women's tennis board...

And type in tennisforums.com and see what you get. :haha:

krystlel
04-27-2008, 12:43 AM
And type in tennisforums.com and see what you get. :haha:
:haha: That's brilliant.

I was thinking that people could easily get confused with an address like that, but didn't think it would redirect to something like that.

Albop
04-27-2008, 12:43 AM
And type in tennisforums.com and see what you get. :haha:

LOL

Tutu
04-27-2008, 12:47 AM
It's only like that otherwise it would be WTF (womens tennis forums).. I'm guessing the same happened over here? The ATP threatened this forum with a lawsuit because of its name? (Off-topic, i know)

lalit
04-27-2008, 01:07 AM
the only thing i can say is that wimbledon has better matchups in the womens game than the men
not the quality of tennis
some of the top men are absolute mugs on grass
in fact till wimby slowed down the courts there was no way nadal could reach 2 finals
not to mention dreadful brugera muster etc on grass before the 2000s who are just :help:
the same goes for american men on clay
the term specialist is more relevant for men's tennis
whereas the top women consistently reach the latter stages of all grand slams

and whats with the hating of ballbashers on the womens tour
what do blake berdych or tursonov play exactly?

JediFed
04-27-2008, 01:17 AM
What exactly are they taking from the men


If revenues were equal, wouldn't they use that as the rationale behind the move? Instead they see it as a 'progressive' move to pay equally, irrespective of the revenue.


They're giving to the women, not taking from the men.


Yes, so what's so hard to understand? It has to come from somewhere.

Suppose they decided to pay the women half what the men won. Would you say that they were taking away from the women, even if they simply raised what they paid the men rather then lowering the purse for the women?


I'm a straight guy and I still don't have a problem with that.


I fail to see why it's a problem to say that the women are taking from the men, same as always. Is there a problem for the women to recieve the money on the back of the ATP tour players?

I don't agree with move at all. It's tradition. Same as with the white and the grass at Wimbly. Why not make it a hardcourt with neon lines played indoors?

TMJordan
04-27-2008, 01:21 AM
Masterbating dog video?

uNIVERSE mAN
04-27-2008, 04:16 AM
While I don't exactly agree with the first post in this thread, I can't help but notice the number of ignorants and poofs with small penises who feel ashmed of watching women's tennis. It's a totally different game, but still very entertaining. Grow up.

Don't be coming on this board and insulting members, it's our decision on what we want to watch. Go back to wherever you came from.

Acer
04-27-2008, 11:19 AM
Don't be coming on this board and insulting members, it's our decision on what we want to watch. Go back to wherever you came from.

Well frankly some people here are just daft in the head, fine you don't like the game don't watch it, but to go and call it garbage, that's ridiculous. Besides that, I like both games equally so I'm staying.

Tutu
04-27-2008, 04:03 PM
Don't be coming on this board and insulting members, it's our decision on what we want to watch. Go back to wherever you came from.

No need to act like babies about it though.

Adler
04-27-2008, 04:05 PM
What?

Tutu
04-27-2008, 04:41 PM
If revenues were equal, wouldn't they use that as the rationale behind the move? Instead they see it as a 'progressive' move to pay equally, irrespective of the revenue.
Well what about around 200s when the WTA was so much more popular than the ATP and womens' ratings were regularly exceeding the mens ones. Would you say that they deserved it then and not now.

In the biggest and most popular womens' sport, yes it is progressive as it is setting an example to every other womens sport out there.

Yes, so what's so hard to understand? It has to come from somewhere.

Suppose they decided to pay the women half what the men won. Would you say that they were taking away from the women, even if they simply raised what they paid the men rather then lowering the purse for the women?

You know as well as I do that these are two different situations. Nothing is being done here to make either the men or women feel insuperior. The women players have said that they are open to play 5 sets in slams but time complications, and other things mean that the Grand slams refuse to consider giving them equal play.

If it's so unfair on the ATP players, why haven't they spoken up? It is true that Roger, Rafa and Novak don't have anywhere near the amount of power over the ATP, Grand Slam Comittees and especially the media as Venus, Serena and Maria do, but they could sure as hell try and get their points across. They haven't, so i'm guessing that it is not that big of a deal for them to have equal prize money as the men.

Also, look at womens tennis and how many u21 players there are in the top 50; Ivanovic, Sharapova, Chakvetadze, Szavay, Radwanska, Vadisova, Safina (well, just about), Golovin, Azarenka, Kirilenko. And many, many more in the top 50.
Look at the u21 players in the ATP top 30: Nadal, Djokovic, Gasguet, Murray. And 2 will turn 22 in a matter of months.
That is 10 to 4. So a third of a players in the top 30 are under 21 but only four are under 21 for the men with no teenagers in the top 30 men compared to 4 in the top 30 women. It only gets worse if I was to add up the top 100.

There's more anticipation about the future of womens' tennis than the mens so I think there is a good chance that revenue parity could be restored in the future. It also helps that players like Golovin, Sharapova, Vaidisova, Kirilenko and Ivanovic are Marketable as hell. They will be the ones headlining websites and newspapers in the near future which is something that the men just can't do outside of their contries, bringing the profile of women's tennis up. What woud you say then?

I don't agree with move at all. It's tradition. Same as with the white and the grass at Wimbly. Why not make it a hardcourt with neon lines played indoors?
Traditionally, tennis was a white man's sport. Look how that has changed.

I would say that this discussion should be saved for another thread but this is the only time i've ever seen anyone act in a civilised way about it. :shrug: