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Nadal without a title since July 2007...

chjossic
04-25-2008, 07:56 AM
Your opinions on this please!
It amazes me that he hasn't won anything at all in all this time!! ..and how the media seem to avoid that subject..
Is this the longest title drought ever experienced by a number 2 in the World? .. just wondering if anyone has some data on this?

Action Jackson
04-25-2008, 07:59 AM
He is winning one on Sunday.

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 08:10 AM
He is winning one on Sunday.


hopefully. this is the second time for such a dry spell for him. he has no titles since last July.

he holds the record for a longer dry spell then current one:

when he won a title at Indian Wells last year, it had been 11 months since he had won a title.

its a shame but that is just how it is. the man is a clay court player. he gives all he has for the clay season. this leaves him worn out--both physically and mentally--for the rest of the year.

one thing to note: all those matches on clay so tune up his ground game that and provide him enough momentum to do some damage on grass at Wimby. now last year, he had suficient left in the tank to grab a title in Stuttgart after Wimby but that was it for the year. he was the walking wounded for the rest of the year.

there is only 2 ways out of it:

1. improve fitness and improve overall game.

2. improve fitness and specialize on clay. to hell with the hard courts for they are tearing him and his knees apart. he cant beat the top guns on hard courts. guys like Djokovic, Fed, and Nalby have too much on the ball on the hard courts. they can play close to the baseline and hit balls that penetrate through the court. Even that pathetic russian coward can take the ball early on hard courts.

even the inconsistent fucks like Seppi, Tsonga, and Youzhny get the best of him on hard courts from time to time.

best thing to do is save himself and do the maximum damage on clay. play only the required events on hard courts. clay is so much easier on his knees and his body.

he has won just 1 hard court title in the last 25 months or so. meanwhile he has won 95 of his last 96 matchs on dirt. that should be sending him a clear signal. for him and given the condition of his knees, its best for him to stick to his knitting.

collecting 1 slam a year for the next 4-6 years is better than collecting no slams and having a brief career.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 08:24 AM
hopefully. this is the second time for such a dry spell for him. he has no titles since last July.

he hold the record for a longer dry spell then current one:

when he won a title at Indian Wells last year, it had been 11 months since he had won a title.

No, it had been just over 9.

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 08:28 AM
No, it had been just over 9.


if you are talking about 2007, he had not won a title since Roland Garros. he won Roland Garros in 2006 and then failed to wina title until Indian Wells.

now grab a calender and see if it had been 11 months.

what you are confused about is this: he did not play Stuttgart in 2006.

check the previous post. i changed it a little. thanks.

GuiroNl
04-25-2008, 08:28 AM
hopefully. this is the second time for such a dry spell for him. he has no titles since last July.

he hold the record for a longer dry spell then current one:

when he won a title at Indian Wells last year, it had been 11 months since he had won a title.

its a shame but that is just how it is. the man is a clay court player. he gives all he has for the clay season. this leaves him worn out--both physically and mentally--for the rest of the year.

one thing to note: all those matches on clay so tune up his ground game that and provide him enough momentum to do some damage on grass at Wimby. now last year, he had suficient left in the tank to grab a title in Stuttgart after Wimby but that was it for the year. he was the walking wounded for the rest of the year.

there is only 2 ways out of it:

1. improve fitness and improve overall game.

2. improve fitness and specialize on clay. to hell with the hard courts for they are tearing him and his knees apart. he cant beat the top guns on hard courts. guys like Djokovic, Fed, and Nalby have too much on the ball on the hard courts. they can play close to the baseline and hit balls that penetrate through the court. Even that pathetic russian coward can take the ball early on hard courts.

even the inconsistent fucks like Seppi, Tsonga, and Youzhny get the best of him on hard courts from time to time.

best thing to do is save himself and do the maximum damage on clay. play only the required events on hard courts. clay is so much easier on his knees and his body.

he has won just 1 hard court title in the last 25 months or so. meanwhile he has won 95 of his last 96 matchs on dirt. that should be sending him a clear signal. for him and given the condition of his knees, its best for him to stick to his knitting.

collecting 1 slam a year for the next 4-6 years is better than collecting no slams and having a brief career.


If not winning tournaments on hard courts would mean stop playing tournaments all together, 90% of the ATP Tour should become clay court specialists :haha:. What kind of argument is that o weak minded one ;)

BlueSwan
04-25-2008, 08:35 AM
if you are talking about 2007, he had not won a title since Roland Garros. he won Roland Garros in 2006 and then failed to wina title until Indian Wells.

now grab a calender and see if it had been 11 months.

what you are confused about is this: he did not play Stuttgart in 2006.

check the previous post. i changed it a little. thanks.
RG finished in early june 2006. Indian Wells was in march 2007. How the hell is that 11 months? That a little less than 9 months.

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 08:35 AM
If not winning tournaments on hard courts would mean stop playing tournaments all together, 90% of the ATP Tour should become clay court specialists :haha:. What kind of argument is that o weak minded one ;)


clown read the post again. i said minimize exposure to hard courts and play only the required events. rest of the tour players dont have fucked up knees and a bad foot like he does.

he had no business going to Rotterdam. complete waste of time. he won just 1 match there. doesnt do much for anybody`s confidence.

he had no business being in Dubai. knees are still troubling him. he won 2 matches there. total waste of time.

now had he gone to south america, he could pocketed a couple of titles and boosted his confidence, fitness, and his ground game. he has said a number of time that he does not run much at all during his training and that he counts on matches for some of his fitness.

Nalby was there in south america. won a title and made the finals of another one. and in the process, he got his rankings up to #7.

had Nadal followed that course, he could have derailed Fed for a little bit at the top.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 08:39 AM
if you are talking about 2007, he had not won a title since Roland Garros. he won Roland Garros in 2006 and then failed to wina title until Indian Wells.

now grab a calender and see if it had been 11 months.

what you are confused about is this: he did not play Stuttgart in 2006.

check the previous post. i changed it a little. thanks.

RG was in June 06. IW was in March 07.

Good to see your arithmetic is as impressive as your tennis knowledge :hatoff:

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 08:43 AM
RG finished in early june 2006. Indian Wells was in march 2007. How the hell is that 11 months? That a little less than 9 months.


roland garros started in may--may 23rd i think--and ended on june 8th.

he did not win a title again until end of march. indian wells ends on march 23rd.

looks like almost 11 months to me. it is close enough for govt. work.

Kristen
04-25-2008, 08:46 AM
It doesn't bother me. I'm not a fan, nor do I dislike him. He probably has more titles than all of my favourites put together. I'm sure he'll come good.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 08:47 AM
roland garros started in may--may 23rd i think--and ended on june 8th.

he did not win a title again until end of march. indian wells ends on march 23rd.

looks like almost 11 months to me. it is close enough for govt. work.

Yes, yes you are right.

Except RG 06 ended on June 11th. And IW 07 on March 18th. So it was 9 months and 1 week.

You're a moron :lol: :wavey:

GuiroNl
04-25-2008, 08:50 AM
clown read the post again. i said minimize exposure to hard courts and play only the required events. rest of the tour players dont have fucked up knees and a bad foot like he does.

he had no business going to Rotterdam. complete waste of time. he won just 1 match there. doesnt do much for anybody`s confidence.

he had no business being in Dubai. knees are still troubling him. he won 2 matches there. total waste of time.

now had he gone to south america, he could pocketed a couple of titles and boosted his confidence, fitness, and his ground game. he has said a number of time that he does not run much at all during his training and that he counts on matches for some of his fitness.

Nalby was there in south america. won a title and made the finals of another one. and in the process, he got his rankings up to #7.

had Nadal followed that course, he could have derailed Fed for a little bit at the top.

Clay Death calling me a clown :rolleyes:.

If you would have read my post carefully, I wasn't trying to bash you, but go right ahead and call me names :haha:.

On topic again. Only playing the required events is still a stupid idea if you ask me. The guy has very good results on hard court, including 3 finals since Stuttgart. Sometimes it happens that you don't finish it off. Too bad, doesn't mean that you should stop trying.

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 08:55 AM
RG was in June 06. IW was in March 07.

Good to see your arithmetic is as impressive as your tennis knowledge :hatoff:


good to see that you are a miserable smart ass still. does june really count? so it ended on 6th instead of the 8th.

like i said, for all practical purposes, it had been nearly 11 months without a title. i did say that it is close enough for govt. work.

so it is 10 months. does it really make a difference? is is worth arguing about?

he is a #2 player in the world and for a such a player with such a high rank to go 10-11 months without a title is very unusual. especially if it keeps happening.

it is a relatively powerful indicator of his less than optimal fitness and conditioning and the lack of improvement in his overall game. injuries do not help at all.

he is basically useless after Wimbledon.

as for my tennis knowledge, you are nothing compared to me. need i remind you that you are nothing but a hopeless fangirl with little or no objectivity.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 09:02 AM
good to see that you are a miserable smart ass still. does june really count? so it ended on 6th instead of the 8th.

It ended on the 11th. Like I said in my previous post :retard:

like i said, for all practical purposes, it had been nearly 11 months without a title. i did say that it is close enough for govt. work.

so it is 10 months. does it really make a difference? is is worth arguing about?

It was 9 months and 1 week. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

it is a relatively powerful indicator of his less than optimal fitness and conditioning and the lack of improvement in his overall game. injuries do not help at all.

he is basically useless after Wimbledon.

as for my tennis knowledge, you are nothing compared to me. need i remind you that you are nothing but a hopeless fangirl with little or no objectivity.

:lol: Oh noes! You've found me out :sobbing:

krystlel
04-25-2008, 09:09 AM
as for my tennis knowledge, you are nothing compared to me.
Oh dear.

Montego
04-25-2008, 09:15 AM
Claydeath mathematician - it was 9 months and 1 week. Just take it and write that you made a mistake, isn't it easy to admit that you were wrong ? You have been wrong some 20000000000000000000000 times in your life already, just like me and I_mac. Swallow your stupid pride because you are comical.

GuiroNl
04-25-2008, 09:22 AM
Oh dear.

:secret: His real name is Darth Clay ;). YOU ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO ME :haha:

MariaV
04-25-2008, 09:33 AM
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 10:07 AM
Claydeath mathematician - it was 9 months and 1 week. Just take it and write that you made a mistake, isn't it easy to admit that you were wrong ? You have been wrong some 20000000000000000000000 times in your life already, just like me and I_mac. Swallow your stupid pride because you are comical.


ok i was wrong but i still like to dramatize to make my point as well as for illustrative convenience. i choose to round it off to nearly 11 months.

Montego
04-25-2008, 10:11 AM
ok i was wrong but i still like to dramatize to make my point as well as for illustrative convenience. i choose to round it off to nearly 11 months.

:worship::worship:

I liked that answer

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 10:15 AM
:worship::worship:

I liked that answer

:rocker2::rocker2::rocker2:

Adler
04-25-2008, 10:19 AM
He will soon win 3 or 4 titles, cheer up. No non-clay titles? Well, who needs'em when you dominate The Battlefield of The Gods :irony:

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 10:23 AM
He will soon win 3 or 4 titles, cheer up. No non-clay titles? Well, who needs'em when you dominate The Battlefield of The Gods :irony:

i hear you. he badly needs this one to get the ball rolling as well as to send them all a message that he is the chosen one on clay.

Adler
04-25-2008, 10:25 AM
I don't see him losing in Monte Carlo, even knowing it's a "strange year". The thing is - will he go far in Wimbledon once more and will he win titles afterwards

The Pro
04-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Yes, yes you are right.

Except RG 06 ended on June 11th. And IW 07 on March 18th. So it was 9 months and 1 week.

You're a moron :lol: :wavey:

Kill him! Kill him with your math skills. We have to finish him while he's down. :mad: :D

Johnny Groove
04-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Your opinions on this please!
It amazes me that he hasn't won anything at all in all this time!! ..and how the media seem to avoid that subject..
Is this the longest title drought ever experienced by a number 2 in the World? .. just wondering if anyone has some data on this?

Wow, what an original discussion :retard:

I seriously had no clue Nadal hadn't won any titles since Stuttgart, thank you for reminding me :retard:

W!MBLEDON
04-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Claydeath mathematician - it was 9 months and 1 week. Just take it and write that you made a mistake, isn't it easy to admit that you were wrong ? You have been wrong some 20000000000000000000000 times in your life already, just like me and I_mac. Swallow your stupid pride because you are comical.

I_mac? :confused:

i always thought l_mac's name was supposed to resemble 'Lmao' :shrug:

Clay Death
04-25-2008, 10:46 AM
I_mac? :confused:

i always thought l_mac's name was supposed to resemble 'Lmao' :shrug:


l mac resembles a cat in heat at best.

anon57
04-25-2008, 01:30 PM
http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif
Ooh Can I have some too

Halba
04-25-2008, 01:37 PM
daveed is hungry for pig?

jasmin
04-25-2008, 01:48 PM
Nadal should be okay now that it's clay season and every good/great champion has years like this. Unfortunately it seems to be something that has to happen to everyone including the great ones.

Nathaliia
04-25-2008, 03:11 PM
It means he is finished and should retire.


:)

l_mac
04-25-2008, 03:18 PM
It means he is finished and should retire.


:)

Finally, some sense :hug:

l_mac
04-25-2008, 03:20 PM
ok i was wrong but i still like to dramatize to make my point as well as for illustrative convenience. i choose to round it off to nearly 11 months.

You just can't count. There's no shame. A lot of people struggle with math.

juninhOH
04-25-2008, 04:05 PM
you cant say Nadal is a clay court player when he reachs finals in Wimbledon, semi in AO, quarters in USO, and finals in lots of masters series hard courts.

You really can't say that.

Toko
04-25-2008, 04:27 PM
You just can't count. There's no shame. A lot of people struggle with math.

How the hell do you round 9 months and 1 week into 11? I can see someone round it to 9, even 10, but 11?

Ohh yeah, its CD. Just disregard common sense.

Toko
04-25-2008, 04:28 PM
you cant say Nadal is a clay court player when he reachs finals in Wimbledon, semi in AO, quarters in USO, and finals in lots of masters series hard courts.

You really can't say that.

You can, if by specialist you mean thats his favorite surface and he does best on t.

Kuhne
04-25-2008, 04:55 PM
We can say Nadal is a claycourt specialist, regardless of how many finals he has made in other surfaces. the fact still is, he hasnt won a title since the french open last year. playing bad is not an excuse, even when Roger was playing badly he still won wimbledon, us open and the masters in shangai. Nadal hasn't been able to do that yet. not sure if he ever will. his body will start hurting before he knows it. Right now Ferrer should have won the second set already btw but chokeydokey

FedFan_2007
04-25-2008, 05:09 PM
Kuhne - Nadal won Stuttgart clay event after Wimbly. Stuttgart is like bigger then the French Open!!!

r2473
04-25-2008, 05:17 PM
Your opinions on this please!
It amazes me that he hasn't won anything at all in all this time!! ..and how the media seem to avoid that subject..
Is this the longest title drought ever experienced by a number 2 in the World? .. just wondering if anyone has some data on this?

Wow, this coincides with the end of the 2007 clay court season. That is amazing.

He is winning one on Sunday.

This coincides with the start of the 2008 clay court season. That is also amazing.

I wonder what we should infer from that......:confused:

TheSwissMaster
04-25-2008, 06:58 PM
Wow, what an original discussion :retard:

I seriously had no clue Nadal hadn't won any titles since Stuttgart, thank you for reminding me :retard:

some do need a reminder in order to clarify who is the real no1

TheSwissMaster
04-25-2008, 07:04 PM
He is winning one on Sunday.

so u got a sms from God. can i have his number too or do u belong to mafia :haha:

shotgun
04-25-2008, 07:11 PM
Is this the longest title drought ever experienced by a number 2 in the World? .. just wondering if anyone has some data on this?

I've been wondering about that too.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 08:29 PM
I've been wondering about that too.

It's still not as long as his 07 "drought" yet :wavey:

shotgun
04-25-2008, 09:23 PM
It's still not as long as his 07 "drought" yet :wavey:

But what is the longest drought for a no. 2 in the Open Era? Nadal's 2006/07 drought?

FedFan_2007
04-25-2008, 09:29 PM
Jeez it's only 12 events without a win. I'm sure other #2s have had much longer droughts. He's only 21 with 23 singles titles to his name! This "drought" is simply Nadal coming back down to earth a bit. There's no crisis. Even if he doesn't win a clay masters, but only Barcelona it's still good. After all, he's already won MC/Rome/Roland Garros triple 3 years in a row. He's due for a let down.

l_mac
04-25-2008, 09:51 PM
But what is the longest drought for a no. 2 in the Open Era? Nadal's 2006/07 drought?

No idea. But how many people have been #2 for so long., so consistently? Usually the position would have changed around, so it's impossible to compare really.

cherry2008
04-27-2008, 01:40 AM
:o