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Monte Carlo R3: Andreev def Almagro 7-5 4-6 6-4 after blowing 8 match points

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 11:36 AM
Quite an evenly match , the score but also in play. First set Igor a litle bit better , second Nico breaking and Igor chasing him, and third was copy paste of the first one by the level of play. Almagro saved 7 MP's in the last game.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:38 AM
First set was high quality with Andreev serving bombs and hitting big off forehands. Mucho served well and not playing too badly, but Igor shaded it.

The second set was a breakfest, there were some long rallies and good use of the angles.

Mucho's dropshots were classy, just like the Andreev slice as well, textbook shots.

Mucho saved 8 match points, but Igor helped him for sure

Andreev hit a volley on the 6th match point that landed in Italy.

scarecrows
04-24-2008, 11:39 AM
a bit early eh?

adee-gee
04-24-2008, 11:39 AM
Mucho :( great fight at the end, but had several game points himself :sad:

LocoPorElTenis
04-24-2008, 11:40 AM
What a tool this Almugro, wins MM clay tournies left and right but is incapable of doing any damage in the big tournaments.

dijus
04-24-2008, 11:40 AM
solid clay stuff

Björki
04-24-2008, 11:40 AM
Igor :worship:

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:40 AM
Quite an evenly match , the score but also in play. First set Igor a litle bit better , second Nico breaking and Igor chasing him, and third was copy paste of the first one by the level of play. Almagro saved 7 MP's in the last game.

You started that before the match is over.

*Ljubica*
04-24-2008, 11:41 AM
Igor :woohoo: Congratulations :hug:

stebs
04-24-2008, 11:42 AM
Good quality match from the small part I saw but Mucho still yet to have a big impact in the big clay events and until he does he cannot be taklen seriously as a top clay player however much potential he shows in lesser events. Excellent win for Andreev though.

leng jai
04-24-2008, 11:42 AM
Its HeretiC we're talking about....never in doubt.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:42 AM
It was a highly entertaining match. Andreev even hit a backhand down the line winner, which is very rare.

Mucho was hitting some top not backhands, both used the court well.

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 11:42 AM
What a tool this Almugro, wins MM clay tournies left and right but is incapable of doing any damage in the big tournaments.

I am not sure about "tool" thing, he played good most of the time. Igor was just a bit better at crucial moments.

Roland9
04-24-2008, 11:42 AM
Is there an award or something in this forum for making the first match result thread?..

Anyway, brilliant match. Andreev played a very smart game. Hope he keeps it up.

scoobs
04-24-2008, 11:43 AM
Good fun, quintessential clay court match.

Well done Igor.

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 11:45 AM
You started that before the match is over.

Yeah, this time yes (and it is first time I made a mistake) :sad: I tought one of the balls was out. Premature ejaculation at full force.:p

krystlel
04-24-2008, 11:45 AM
I watched most of the second set and third set. Second set was a bit patchy and third set was very evenly matched with some good tennis from both. The last game was epic and a very nice finish to the match.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:49 AM
Yeah, this time yes (and it is first time I made a mistake) :sad: I tought one of the balls was out. Premature ejaculation at full force.:p

You do it regularly, almost as much as Nadal wins on clay.

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 11:50 AM
Its HeretiC we're talking about....never in doubt.

Thats BS. This is the first time. I explained a lots of times before. Satelite TV broadcast vs Scoreboard results. Guess which is faster. :(

dijus
04-24-2008, 11:51 AM
You do it regularly, almost as much as Nadal wins on clay.

true

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 11:56 AM
Good quality match from the small part I saw but Mucho still yet to have a big impact in the big clay events and until he does he cannot be taklen seriously as a top clay player however much potential he shows in lesser events. Excellent win for Andreev though.

Stebney, you made a typo I am disappointed. Andreev is 4-2 in H2H, and in their best of 3 matches, which there have been 5 of them. Only one of them was won in straights. This one from Miami 7-6(4) 2-6 7-6(12)

Andreev's game matches up quite well with Almagro, mainly because Mucho's strokes go into Andreev's hitting zone. Igor doesn't like the low balls and Mucho doesn't hit many of them. It was funny them using the slice, when not defending.

Igor will be praying that Kohli beats Davydenko in the next round.

Iván
04-24-2008, 11:56 AM
Almagro plays high risk tennis, eventually he will trip up.

stebs
04-24-2008, 12:00 PM
Stebney, you made a typo I am disappointed. Andreev is 4-2 in H2H, and in their best of 3 matches, which there have been 5 of them. Only one of them was won in straights. This one from Miami 7-6(4) 2-6 7-6(12)

Andreev's game matches up quite well with Almagro, mainly because Mucho's strokes go into Andreev's hitting zone. Igor doesn't like the low balls and Mucho doesn't hit many of them. It was funny them using the slice, when not defending.

Igor will be praying that Kohli beats Davydenko in the next round.

Taklen is just another way of saying it here in Bristol. :p

As for the rest of your post I was not saying Andreev is not a good player, when he plays well he is one for sure and not a bad loss really but the fact is for someone trying to break out and show themselves as a top contender for RG these matches have to be wins not losses and until they are he is unproven.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 12:04 PM
Taklen is just another way of saying it here in Bristol. :p

As for the rest of your post I was not saying Andreev is not a good player, when he plays well he is one for sure and not a bad loss really but the fact is for someone trying to break out and show themselves as a top contender for RG these matches have to be wins not losses and until they are he is unproven.

Hahaha, those nasty English dialects.

I don't disagree with you about Almagro actually, he really needs to step it up. In this case I looked at their match history and how they match up and I have stated some of the reasons as to why Andreev plays well against Almagro.

Andreev was Karlovic like in the 1st set on serve, hit 7 aces, moved the ball around and kept Mucho on the defensive with the heavy off forehands and Almagro isn't the best when he defends, in fact neither of them are, hence they have the momentum shifts in their matches.

El cabezon does have 3 more big events.

wenty
04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
Nico :hug:
Great job Igor :bigclap:

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 12:08 PM
You do it regularly, almost as much as Nadal wins on clay.

Same answer to you as to leng jai. I have no problem admiting it , like I did now, but previously never ever before the match was over (not counting the Federer-Blake thread at AO 2008 when I started a thread with match report even before the match started:devil:).
Not my fault that some people doesn't understand the diference of speed between direct satelite TV broadcast feed and regular broadcast (I am not even mention TV streams or even a stupid scoreboard where a person is entering the results).

RogiRafaFan86
04-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Thank you kindly, Igor.:hatoff:

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Same answer to you as to leng jai. I have no problem admiting it , like I did now, but previously never ever before the match was over (not counting the Federer-Blake thread at AO 2008 when I started a thread with match report even before the match started:devil:).
Not my fault that some people doesn't understand the diference of speed between direct satelite TV broadcast feed and regular broadcast (I am not even mention TV streams or even a stupid scoreboard where a person is entering the results).

Guess what I know the difference, helps when you are watching the streams as well and even then you have done it before. Today you admitted it, is there any real problem in waiting for the match to be over?

star_of_dusk
04-24-2008, 12:14 PM
A good win, andreev.

Keep it up :)

stebs
04-24-2008, 12:20 PM
El cabezon does have 3 more big events.

Yes, and I still expect him to step it up and get some good results in at least two of those events. I wonder what his favourite will be? I think Rome suits him quite well with the pace and he can get more with his serve there as well.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 12:26 PM
Yes, and I still expect him to step it up and get some good results in at least two of those events.

One thing deivid noticed and then I decided to focus on this and he was right. When you watch Mucho. He has all the shots, an excellent serve that is very hard to read with the low balltoss and he gets plenty of kick on it.

At the same time deivid's point was that he has lazy footwork, you can see the way he moves, especially when being stretched like he was a few times by Andreev today, so he can't hit defensive shots that well when he needs it.

He is excellent when he can dictate by using his serve to get them out of opposition, but he gets frustrated easily, when it's not going his way. Classic example his match with Blake at RG, this where his brainless side was on full show.

Andreev, it's hard to gauge his form, if he plays like he did today, then he can do damage, but at the same time he is likely to damage to the plants courtside.

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 12:31 PM
Guess what I know the difference, helps when you are watching the streams as well and even then you have done it before. Today you admitted it, is there any real problem in waiting for the match to be over?

Why would I admited today and not before if I did it ? You made me meassure :
Right now I am watching Nadal - Ferrero on direct raw satelite feed. It is at least 5 seconds faster then my stream. And guess what: my internet speed is such that sometimes my stream is even faster by a second or 2 then any TV I checked: Sport+, PolsatSport extra, Sport Club and Galaxie sport. And scoreboard is 15-20 seconds in registering the points I've already seen.

stebs
04-24-2008, 12:31 PM
One thing deivid noticed and then I decided to focus on this and he was right. When you watch Mucho. He has all the shots, an excellent serve that is very hard to read with the low balltoss and he gets plenty of kick on it.

At the same time deivid's point was that he has lazy footwork, you can see the way he moves, especially when being stretched like he was a few times by Andreev today, so he can't hit defensive shots that well when he needs it.

He is excellent when he can dictate by using his serve to get them out of opposition, but he gets frustrated easily, when it's not going his way. Classic example his match with Blake at RG, this where his brainless side was on full show.

His shot selection can be suspect as well at times and this isn't a good mix but I will watch for the lazy movement next time I watch Mucho and I'm sure I will find Deivid and yourself to be correct. Biggest problem in shot selection I see is going for too much depth on CC BH's. Against weaker players hitting very deep may well win you a point so it's useful but against the better players just depth isn't going to be too hard to handle so he is risking a lot for not enough gain in rallies. Against Ferrer he made too many errors this way but I think he will get better at all these things with experience.

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 12:35 PM
Guess what I know the difference, helps when you are watching the streams as well and even then you have done it before. Today you admitted it, is there any real problem in waiting for the match to be over?

Is there any real problem when I post a thread when a match on my satelite feed is over or I should wait to be also over on your streams or scoreboard too ?:eek:

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 12:38 PM
Is there any real problem when I post a thread when a match on my satelite feed is over or I should wait to be also over on your streams or scoreboard too ?:eek:

Like I said before, you have done it before the match has been completed and this is just not a scoreboard or streaming issue.

Action Jackson
04-24-2008, 12:44 PM
His shot selection can be suspect as well at times and this isn't a good mix but I will watch for the lazy movement next time I watch Mucho and I'm sure I will find Deivid and yourself to be correct. Biggest problem in shot selection I see is going for too much depth on CC BH's. Against weaker players hitting very deep may well win you a point so it's useful but against the better players just depth isn't going to be too hard to handle so he is risking a lot for not enough gain in rallies. Against Ferrer he made too many errors this way but I think he will get better at all these things with experience.

Well he is not Wawrinka bad in shot selection, but he will go for the spectacular winner when out of position, then the less macho moon ball to get back into the point. He has the weapons, but he is a bit lazy as well.

Ferrer, it's a match up issue as well, with Ferrer's fighting and retrieving skills that can get into his head as well.

azmad_88
04-24-2008, 12:58 PM
congrats igor! keep it up! make the SF at least

azmad_88
04-24-2008, 12:59 PM
maybe vs phillipe

Kolya
04-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Davai Andreev! :yeah:

TheBoiledEgg
04-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Igor :banana: :yeah:

this makes up for 1/2 the RG points
needs to be in top 24 seeds for RG

Sean.J.S.
04-24-2008, 01:16 PM
Igor. :rolls:

Dmitry Verdasco
04-24-2008, 01:23 PM
Igor the Escape Artist :lol:

Voo de Mar
04-24-2008, 01:48 PM
Almagro still without a win after saving MP...

finishingmove
04-24-2008, 02:15 PM
good match im sure. i could watch pics vs tipsy and nadal vs jcf , the latter not being bad at all ,but i really wish i couldve seen this.

andreev vs davydenko should be good if igor plays like today. gl to him

HeretiC
04-24-2008, 02:52 PM
Like I said before, you have done it before the match has been completed and this is just not a scoreboard or streaming issue.

wL-zS_KVbFs

I am ussualy a polite guy but the next one who accuses me of same idiotic shit I am going to call him a moron.

SwiSha
04-24-2008, 02:57 PM
Almagro still without a win after saving MP...

still? u talk like every player did that already...lmfao

Merton
04-24-2008, 03:26 PM
It looked like it was a good match, thanks for the reports. This is the second straight quarterfinal for Igor in a masters, so at least the danger of a catastrophic loss of form seems gone. Mucho hopefully will do better in Rome and Hamburg.

Voo de Mar
04-24-2008, 04:12 PM
still? u talk like every player did that already...lmfao

From current Top 50 haven't done this only Baghdatis, Almagro and Tsonga.

ReturnWinner
04-24-2008, 04:15 PM
good win for Andreev, he is having an irregular year.he has chances against Davydenko for sure.

GlennMirnyi
04-24-2008, 04:27 PM
Almugro is pathetic.

Iván
04-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Andreev has awesome power, watched it and was very impressed.

Davy must be feeling the strain now, igor has a good chance here.

dylan24
04-24-2008, 04:34 PM
stupid almagro.
how could you lose to this idiot russian

Bilbo
04-24-2008, 04:59 PM
expected one

Lee
04-24-2008, 05:19 PM
Mucho, another early exit in major tournament. :shrug:

Smoke944
04-24-2008, 08:28 PM
Well done Igor :worship:

Deivid23
04-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Yes, and I still expect him to step it up and get some good results in at least two of those events. I wonder what his favourite will be? I think Rome suits him quite well with the pace and he can get more with his serve there as well.


The slower it gets, the better for Mucho, imo, problem is that Hamburg is too damp for a good use of his kick serve maybe. He has that record in Valencia for a reason, they have a bigger clay layer in that centre court than in Barcelona´s and I also think it´s slower than Montecarlo and Paris. Rome it´s faster and it´s true he can get more with his serve, but defending is harder for him there. So it´s a tough call but if I had to say one, I think the first tourney he will win (I´m sure he will win more than 1 out of Barcelona, Rome, MonteCarlo and Hamburg) will be Hamburg

Deivid23
04-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Mucho has many flaws as a tennis player, which would be a burden too big to carry for the vast majority of people. It happens he has such a good array of shots, he will live easily in top 20 for most of his career, but if he somehow gets coached by someone who can convince him on working on those weaknesses (it can´t be that difficult, really) he would be a terrific player. But I highly doubt this will happen

Deivid23
04-24-2008, 10:19 PM
Btw, 2nd set was horrendous in quality imo, but maybe it´s just me :shrug:

stebs
04-24-2008, 10:25 PM
The slower it gets, the better for Mucho, imo, problem is that Hamburg is too damp for a good use of his kick serve maybe. He has that record in Valencia for a reason, they have a bigger clay layer in that centre court than in Barcelonaīs and I also think itīs slower than Montecarlo and Paris. Rome itīs faster and itīs true he can get more with his serve, but defending is harder for him there.
You mean it is better for him on slower stuff partially for the reasons that GWH stated in the previous page, lazy movement? That makes sense. Perhaps it is, to a certain extent a game which will have the different weakness exposed on different surfaces. On the quicker stuff he will struggle to defend but then the slower courts, to a certain extent, nullify some of his weapons. For sure you have seen Almagro play more than me so I am kind of asking here as well as proposing.

So itīs a tough call but if I had to say one, I think the first tourney he will win (Iīm sure he will win more than 1 out of Barcelona, Rome, MonteCarlo and Hamburg) will be Hamburg
In his career or this year?

cherry2008
04-24-2008, 10:32 PM
I thought Almagro would win...

Deivid23
04-24-2008, 10:34 PM
You mean it is better for him on slower stuff partially for the reasons that GWH stated in the previous page, lazy movement? That makes sense. Perhaps it is, to a certain extent a game which will have the different weakness exposed on different surfaces. On the quicker stuff he will struggle to defend but then the slower courts, to a certain extent, nullify some of his weapons. For sure you have seen Almagro play more than me so I am kind of asking here as well as proposing.

Yes, bc he can´t move laterally quick enough and has lazy footwork and no signs of improvement there (I think it´s more a matter of attitude, maybe he thinks it´s not necessary :shrug:). For instance, Stan had a similar footwork a couple of years ago, but he has managed to improve that, now he moves much better than he used to.

Slower courts don´t necessarily nullify Mucho´s strengths, I mean by this, just some specific conditions like that one I wrote about humidity making kick serves not that difficult to handle, but the "weight" of his shots off both wings is big enough to make their rivals struggle on these slower conditions as balls get heavier and they still get a lot of "weight" after Mucho makes his impacts, meanwhile he has more time to prepare them. Don´t know if I´ve explained too well, in Spanish when you talk about "peso" of a tennis ball is easier, not sure if literal English word "weight" solves the translation problem


In his career or this year?

I meant during his career

stebs
04-24-2008, 10:41 PM
Yes, bc he canīt move laterally quick enough and has lazy footwork and no signs of improvement there (I think itīs more a matter of attitude, maybe he thinks itīs not necessary :shrug:). For instance, Stan had a similar footwork a couple of years ago, but he has managed to improve that, now he moves much better than he used to.

Slower courts donīt necessarily nullify Muchoīs strengths, I mean by this, just some specific conditions like that one I wrote about humidity making kick serves not that difficult to handle, but the "weight" of his shots off both wings is big enough to make their rivals struggle on these slower conditions as balls get heavier and they still get a lot of "weight" after Mucho makes his impacts, meanwhile he has more time to prepare them. Donīt know if Iīve explained too well, in Spanish when you talk about "peso" of a tennis ball is easier, not sure if literal English word "weight" solves the translation problem
It makes sense although there isn't a good English word to describe properly what you are talking about. :yeah:

Action Jackson
04-25-2008, 03:47 AM
The slower it gets, the better for Mucho, imo, problem is that Hamburg is too damp for a good use of his kick serve maybe. He has that record in Valencia for a reason, they have a bigger clay layer in that centre court than in Barcelonaīs and I also think itīs slower than Montecarlo and Paris. Rome itīs faster and itīs true he can get more with his serve, but defending is harder for him there. So itīs a tough call but if I had to say one, I think the first tourney he will win (Iīm sure he will win more than 1 out of Barcelona, Rome, MonteCarlo and Hamburg) will be Hamburg

Hamburg is very heavy and the ball doesn't get as much height off the court, this is understandable, especially with the climatic conditions there at the time. Mucho's serve is still strong enough and hard to read, that he could use it better.

Rome is the fastest of those courts and has been for ages. He has done well in Rome in the past, he likes the chaos it seems. Interesting as to see which one he does best. I will go for Barcelona to be different.

Mucho has many flaws as a tennis player, which would be a burden too big to carry for the vast majority of people. It happens he has such a good array of shots, he will live easily in top 20 for most of his career, but if he somehow gets coached by someone who can convince him on working on those weaknesses (it canīt be that difficult, really) he would be a terrific player. But I highly doubt this will happen.

100% agree with that. You can see he has the strokes and the talent, but yes a proper fitness trainer or a coach like Duarte would work well for Mucho.