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Djokovic's fitness

fsoica
04-20-2008, 08:57 PM
Only 20 years of age and already taking long breaks between tournaments because of fitness issues?

As much as I remember, players like Federer, Hewitt, or even Nadal played their asses out at 20 years of age, not thinking at all about breaks for recovery...

If one does this when he is just 20, what about "grand-pa" Fed, who will not have more then a week of rest until after USOpen?

What do u think guys, just a mere coincidence, or the Djoker's fitness is a problem ?

Gldngrl
04-20-2008, 09:02 PM
Yes.

FedFan_2007
04-20-2008, 09:11 PM
Definitely! THis is my huge hope that Djokovic breaks down mentally and physically. Can't have him winning all the slams.

elessar
04-20-2008, 09:12 PM
Well not that many players start to win so much so early, the guy's only twenty it's obvious he hasn't reached his peak (physically speaking) yet. He was completely burnt out at the end of last year it woud have been stupid for him to keep the same schedul :shrug:

fsoica
04-20-2008, 09:13 PM
Definitely! THis is my huge hope that Djokovic breaks down mentally and physically. Can't have him winning all the slams.

so you're "afraid" the Djoker has the game and the skills to do the Grand Slam?
'cause i don't...

fsoica
04-20-2008, 09:14 PM
Well not that many players start to win so much so early, the guy's only twenty it's obvious he hasn't reached his peak (physically speaking) yet. He was completely burnt out at the end of last year it woud have been stupid for him to keep the same schedul :shrug:


that's indeed a good point...the guy is a prodigy...

Sofonda Cox
04-20-2008, 09:14 PM
Definitely! THis is my huge hope that Djokovic breaks down mentally and physically. Can't have him winning all the slams.

me too. i can't stand him - not as bad as Murray but still bad

fsoica
04-20-2008, 09:14 PM
Yes.

Yes what ?

Aloimeh
04-20-2008, 09:21 PM
He's always been very self-protective, i.e. he doesn't shy from retiring if he feels it's bad for his health/body and thereby his future success. This year, he won AO and IW, and got decently far into Dubai. That's a decent amount of matches already, even considering he crashed out in Miami. He's likely to have a lot of matches week after week as he goes from MC to Rome to Hamburg to RG to Queens to Wimbledon. After that there's also a long stretch of matches in Toronto, Cincinnati, Beijing, and New York. So, I think he's trying to maximize his break periods to recharge mentally.

On the whole, I think it's much more mental than physical issues that are in play at this point. He lost in Miami in the 1R not because he was physically spent but because he was mentally tired and lost focus to a great-serving player.

StevoTG
04-20-2008, 09:25 PM
IMO Djoko is playing it smart. Tennis players have shorter careers than many other sportsmen because of the hammering their bodies take on the courts. More rest could result in a longer career.

Herdwick
04-20-2008, 09:38 PM
Definitely! THis is my huge hope that Djokovic breaks down mentally and physically.

What a nice thought - it's generous natures like yours which make the world such a lovely place.

ionah
04-20-2008, 09:59 PM
LOL @ this lame topic. Nole's best years are ahead of him.
Federer's best years are in the past. :haha:

Gldngrl
04-20-2008, 09:59 PM
Yes what ?


It's a problem:D

Vida
04-20-2008, 10:01 PM
i guess his mental state, confidence might depend on his fitness, and how did he coped with issues he had earlier (nose djob and else). if hes prepared, and he likely is, he can challenge heavily.

arm
04-20-2008, 10:12 PM
Besides resting, I think there's another reason behind those periods.

He has said it before that he doesnt want to make tennis the only reason of his life. I think he is guy who likes to have time to do other things besides playing tennis. A tennis player spends their year going from one place to the other, practising here and practising there. And I belive he also wants and needs to have time to do other things.

So it's not the physical resting (at least not only that). I believe than when he said that he wasnt going to play Estoril because he needed to rest, he meant that he needed time for himseld, time to do nothing. (Ando of course get ready for clay).

Fee
04-20-2008, 10:28 PM
He needed two weeks to apologize to his girlfriend for being photographed with Shriekarova again.

Seriously, this is called schedule management, something he completely failed to do last year and he burned himself out because of it (playing singles and doubles in lots of tournaments). If he is going to go deep in events, and play the mandatory ones, then he should really only play 22 tournaments per year. He should have a conservative clay schedule because he has the potential to earn serious points from grass season on.

jan-moline
04-20-2008, 10:29 PM
I recall watching the AO final and wondering whether all of Djoko's breathing problems were really resolved. He seemed physically stressed at times during that match.

His fitness is a question, if not an outright issue.

anon57
04-20-2008, 10:34 PM
He needed two weeks to apologize to his girlfriend for being photographed with Shriekarova again.

:lol:

Seriously, this is called schedule management, something he completely failed to do last year and he burned himself out because of it (playing singles and doubles in lots of tournaments). If he is going to go deep in events, and play the mandatory ones, then he should really only play 22 tournaments per year. He should have a conservative clay schedule because he has the potential to earn serious points from grass season on.
I agree with this, he's just chosing a smarter schedule for himself, I don't think there's any real problems with Djokovic's fitness

ionah
04-20-2008, 10:52 PM
Nole will win the most titles this year. More titles than Federer and Nadal.

Alex999
04-20-2008, 10:56 PM
Here is an article discussing his fitness and his form in MC.
Patient Djokovic ready for claycourt season
By Julien Pretot
MONTE CARLO, April 20 (Reuters) - Serb Novak Djokovic said on Sunday he was better prepared than last year going into the claycourt season, which he will start at the Monte Carlo Masters Series.
The world number three, who claimed his maiden grand slam tournament at this year's Australian Open, said he had gained the patience needed for sometimes exhausting matches on the slow surface.
"I think I am stronger than last year because I am more confident. I have won a grand slam, even though it was not on clay," Djokovic told reporters.
"These past months, my form has been going up, except for Miami. I have been playing at a high level."
Djokovic, 20, will face either three-times French Open champion Gustavo Kuerten or Croatia's Ivan Ljubicic in the second round after being awarded a bye for the first round.
He said his second-round exit at the hands of South African Kevin Anderson at the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami last month might have been beneficial.
"I've had more days to recover and work on things I never had time to work on. I've had more time to prepare for the clay season," he said.
"The approach of matches on this surface is ... different. If you change your game too much, it can turn against you."
Djokovic added he was now mentally strong enough to cope with the demands of claycourt tennis.
"You have to be more patient and I am more patient than in the past years," he said.
"You have to be mentally strong, it takes more time to create points and you have to wait for your chances. You also have to be physically very fit to do that.
"It's what I have been working on in the past two weeks."
Djokovic added he would probably be more able to deliver at the French Open next month: "The French Open clay is faster, it suits my game better."
However, he was not too optimistic about his chances of lifting the trophy at Roland Garros.
"I am facing two players (Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal) who are very consistent. And the truth is that Rafa plays his best game on clay," he said. (Editing by Sonia Oxley)

JediFed
04-20-2008, 11:36 PM
I think Novak should go for 30 tournaments this year and really push for number one. :angel:

alfonsojose
04-21-2008, 02:23 AM
Just because you're 20 you don't have to play every f*cking tournament :shrug: Good for Nole. Less is more :yeah:

Bernard Black
04-21-2008, 03:46 AM
It's a shame. He's 20 years old, and has a job many people would die for, and the talent to be the very best. I'd like to see him show more hunger and be looking to play as much as he can. Then again, he knows his body better than anyone else, so fair play to him - afterall he is comfortably World No.3 and already won a major, so he must be doing something right.

Aloimeh
04-21-2008, 03:53 AM
It's a shame. He's 20 years old, and has a job many people would die for, and the talent to be the very best. I'd like to see him show more hunger and be looking to play as much as he can. Then again, he knows his body better than anyone else, so fair play to him - afterall he is comfortably World No.3 and already won a major, so he must be doing something right.

I don't see anything wrong with his schedule. He's scheduled for Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg, FO, probably Queens, Wimbledon, probably Umag, Toronto, Cincinnati, Olympics, USO, Madrid, Paris, and YEC. In my book, that's all the biggest tournaments and a bit more and plenty exhausting. I expect him to go far in a large number of these. Is him playing/not playing Vienna, Estoril, Barcelona, etc. such a big deal?

Sunset of Age
04-21-2008, 03:56 AM
Nole will win the most titles this year. More titles than Federer and Nadal.

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Aloimeh
04-21-2008, 04:05 AM
http://schwillz.com/stuff/total/pics/troll.gif

You and your gang are no better.

FedFan_2007
04-21-2008, 04:23 AM
Pay the troll no heed. I don't like Djokovic and his fans.

star
04-21-2008, 04:27 AM
Pay the troll no heed. I don't like Djokovic and his fans.

That's good news!

Alex999
04-21-2008, 04:33 AM
Pay the troll no heed. I don't like Djokovic and his fans.

but I love everyone here including you :hearts:, why don't you love me back :bigcry:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4865/610x111rl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Aloimeh
04-21-2008, 04:36 AM
but I love everyone here including you :hearts:, why don't you love me back :bigcry:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4865/610x111rl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Even from this angle you can see Federer looks hostile. And this is after a win!

Clay Death
04-21-2008, 04:49 AM
Even from this angle you can see Federer looks hostile. And this is after a win!


couldnt agree more.

djokovic is a much more genuine and honest. has anybody ever seen Fed applaud his opponent`s shots?

and how about his endless remarks about his own game. its is always about him.

Fee
04-21-2008, 04:49 AM
Pay the troll no heed. I don't like Djokovic and his fans.

So?


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mmmm, slashy-licious

Kitty de Sade
04-21-2008, 04:52 AM
I must be in dire need of a trip to the optician. How is it that Federer appears hostile in the picture? :scratch:

Fee
04-21-2008, 04:53 AM
I must be in dire need of a trip to the optician. How is it that Federer appears hostile in the picture? :scratch:

His earlobe is sneering. You really can't see that?

Kitty de Sade
04-21-2008, 04:54 AM
His earlobe is sneering. You really can't see that?

:hug:

His earlobe is sneering? Oh okay, thank you for clearing that up. I have eyesight similar to that of Mr. Magoo, so I would have missed it without help.

Thank you. :hatoff:

Fee
04-21-2008, 05:00 AM
De nada, my darling eggplant. :hug:

alfonsojose
04-21-2008, 05:12 AM
Even from this angle you can see Federer looks hostile. And this is after a win!

:tape:

dabeast
04-21-2008, 05:13 AM
Wait a minute. Djoker, genuine and honest? Do u actually buy all that fake, empty flattery for his opponents when he's thumping his chest like an irritating gorilla? well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, judging from the obnoxious behaviour of his parents.

He doesn't have one ounce of humility in his entire pinkie finger man.

Why the hell does Federer have to acknowledge his opponent's shots by clapping? That's a mental edge that he shouldn't give away to the opposition, and anyways, he's the one making the unbelievable shots most of the time, so does he have to applaud his own shots too? Sheesh...

Obviously someone hasn't heard the numerous times when he shouts out "Well-played!" or "Yup, good!" when he gets passed by a great shot. Case in point, when he was playing against Ljubicic in Indian Wells a few weeks ago. The thing with Federer is that he's already done so many miraculous shots that he just can't be that easily pleased with any ole shot from the other end of the net.

MrChopin
04-21-2008, 05:49 AM
Wait a minute. Djoker, genuine and honest? Do u actually buy all that fake, empty flattery for his opponents when he's thumping his chest like an irritating gorilla? well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, judging from the obnoxious behaviour of his parents.

Don't take them seriously. You'd give Magellan a good run for his money if you can find hostility in the picture above. They'll say it's there, but it's not. They overlook Djokovic's behavior in the AO final, aggressively staring down the ump in total defiance and screaming and spitting directly at the crowd, while calling Fed out for being hostile and self-centered, citing the above picture as proof.

Roland9
04-21-2008, 10:10 AM
Even from this angle you can see Federer looks hostile. And this is after a win!

couldnt agree more.

djokovic is a much more genuine and honest. has anybody ever seen Fed applaud his opponent`s shots?

and how about his endless remarks about his own game. its is always about him.

MTF. :worship:

zeleni
04-21-2008, 10:18 AM
His fitness is steadily improving. He is only 21 and that isn't age when man is on his top, both physically and mentally. He also has problem with nose deviation that affects his breathing. He'll be better.:)

ZakMcCrack
04-21-2008, 12:36 PM
couldnt agree more.

djokovic is a much more genuine and honest. has anybody ever seen Fed applaud his opponent`s shots?

and how about his endless remarks about his own game. its is always about him.

No, he rarely applauds them...but if you listen carefully enough you might get to hear something like "good shot" from time to time, etc...In my opinion Djokovic cares much more about how he's being perceived by the public as he almost desperately tries to be a crowd pleaser, just think of the whole imitating clownery and stuff...
Roger on the other side has solely realized that - de facto - it is always about him...for better or for worse, nolens volens :shrug:

luxsword
04-21-2008, 12:50 PM
Even from this angle you can see Federer looks hostile. And this is after a win!

His earlobe is sneering. You really can't see that?

Also, his elbow is looking particularly disagreeable.

:spit: :haha:

arm
04-21-2008, 02:18 PM
No, he rarely applauds them...but if you listen carefully enough you might get to hear something like "good shot" from time to time, etc...In my opinion Djokovic cares much more about how he's being perceived by the public as he almost desperately tries to be a crowd pleaser, just think of the whole imitating clownery and stuff...
Roger on the other side has solely realized that - de facto - it is always about him...for better or for worse, nolens volens :shrug:

Even if that's true, you gotta agree with me that the reason why they play tennis is the public.. So??

bokehlicious
04-21-2008, 02:25 PM
Even if that's true, you gotta agree with me that the reason why they play tennis is the public.. So??

Roger pleases the crowd with his shotmaking, he lets the raquet do the talking ;)

arm
04-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Roger pleases the crowd with his shotmaking, he lets the raquet do the talking ;)

Exactly. The crowd is the one to be pleased.

And no, roger is not the only one whose games pleases the crowd ;)

TheSwissMaster
04-21-2008, 02:32 PM
so you're "afraid" the Djoker has the game and the skills to do the Grand Slam?
'cause i don't...

yes he has the game, the skills, the winning mentality/mental toughness, ego/arrogance of a champ just like fed to win all the slams (im serious so dont laugh at it), thats 1 damn sad truth.

as far his fitness is concerned, yes, there are some question marks but ofcourse he can learn to improve as he is still new, so give him some time.

Il Primo Uomo
04-21-2008, 02:33 PM
Is it a question or a wishful thought?

The guy lost in the first round of Miami. Only one tournament got played until then and now there are like 3 MS in 4weeks. Was he supposed to play futures and challengers? Give me a break :spit:

The guy is smart. He shouldn't have played Marseille IMO but beside this, his schedule has been perfect so far. And I expect him to rock the clay court season, even though I'm not a big fan of his game and his personality.. and his hairstyle too :o

arm
04-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Is it a question or a wishful thought?

The guy lost in the first round of Miami. Only one tournament got played until then and now there are like 3 MS in 4weeks. Was he supposed to play futures and challengers? Give me a break :spit:

The guy is smart. He shouldn't have played Marseille IMO but beside this, his schedule has been perfect so far. And I expect him to rock the clay court season, even though I'm not a big fan of his game and his personality.. and his hairstyle too :o

:lol::lol:

Okonsky
04-21-2008, 05:56 PM
FedFan is retrad but this is not new foe anyone here. Good move from Novak to take a long break (as ms Elesar said). Unlike most robots he lives a life. Good life.

Apemant
04-21-2008, 06:07 PM
and how about his endless remarks about his own game. its is always about him.

The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious.

Pretension (http://www.despair.com/pretension.html)

Lee
04-21-2008, 06:13 PM
His earlobe is sneering. You really can't see that?

Also, his elbow is looking particularly disagreeable.

His elbow is looking particularly disagreeable because he's about to smash Djokovic's back with his racket. I really can't believe none of you see this. :o

OSmeone
04-21-2008, 06:13 PM
There is nothing wrong with Djokovic's scheduling, this is the right way to go, by focussing on the main tournaments.

Fee
04-21-2008, 06:18 PM
Also, his elbow is looking particularly disagreeable.

His left elbow always looks disagreeable. It knows how much smaller than the right elbow it is, and it's not happy about it at all. It's the black sheep of all of Roger's appendages (yes, I said all). You can tell just by looking at it that it gets NO LOVE from Roger at all. When they day comes for him to have children, he has to stop at 2 or 3, obviously he can't have five, he'll neglect the last one. ;)



I see a fight brewing between the hatertards. Popcorn anyone?

arm
04-21-2008, 06:50 PM
The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious.

Pretension (http://www.despair.com/pretension.html)

:worship::worship::worship:

that's going to be in my signature

Apemant
04-21-2008, 06:51 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

that's going to be in my signature

Check out the other demotivators... plenty of them are awesomely depressive. :devil:

dabeast
04-21-2008, 08:50 PM
It's so funny how something as neutral a topic as [I]fitness[I] can turn out to be a fierce argument over both players' personalities and playing styles... then again, it is Djoker we are talking about. This guy always seems to evoke intense emotions from anyone observer, good or bad.

JediFed
04-21-2008, 10:58 PM
Are there any of those demotivators that don't work for 'disaffected college students?'