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What can Grosjean do to Federer?

henree
06-30-2004, 08:58 PM
In my opinion the onle thing Grosjean can do to Federer is serve him a crouissant with some french fries. :lol:
No, seriously can this be at least a competitive match? I would love to see what happens to Roger in a tight 5 setter. Its been a long time Roger has been in a tight match. Is Roger in good enough fitness? Can he mentally get himself out of tight tiebreak situations. No one seems to be able to hold their serve against Fed. I expect Federer to move into the finals with relative ease. But I would love for Grosjean to put up a fight...

Tennis Fool
06-30-2004, 09:02 PM
In my opinion the onle thing Grosjean can do to Federer is serve him a crouissant with some french fries. :lol:

Fed is actually a bagel and fries type of guy :)

dylan24
06-30-2004, 09:04 PM
i think grosjean will put up a fight though federer wins

alfonsojose
06-30-2004, 09:22 PM
He can invite Federer a drink, then he can give him a massage (RAiner style, :lol: ) , then he can ... :angel:

alfonsojose
06-30-2004, 09:25 PM
:eek: I couldn't keep elaborating ... Federer doesn't turn me on at all. Seb is a bit better ;)

LCeh
06-30-2004, 09:26 PM
Or he can listen to Becker in my sig. ;)

Marine
06-30-2004, 09:28 PM
He can invite Federer a drink
..and put a drug in the drink. It can helps him, otherwise, I don't see...(I LOVE Seb but I'm objective http://yelims.free.fr/Hein/Hein50.gif)

alfonsojose
06-30-2004, 09:34 PM
They haven't played in a long time.

2001 Monte Carlo TMS, Clay, Q Monaco Grosjean 4 6 3 6
2001 Rotterdam, Hard, R16 The Netherlands Federer 4 6 6 3 6 4
2001 Sydney, Hard, Q Australia Grosjean 5 7 4 6

akin
06-30-2004, 09:46 PM
We cant wait for the Federer v Roddick match...right? He is the only who could do something (not sure what) to Rogi...

J. Corwin
06-30-2004, 10:11 PM
Roger will win with something like 6-3 6-4 6-2. At least a break in each set. Of course Roger won't lose serve even once. :yawn:

alfonsojose
06-30-2004, 10:16 PM
What about Seb's inside-outside forehand against Roger's backhand? I think Seb's forehand is better than Hewitt on that direction. The better way to attack Federer is going against his backhand.

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 10:23 PM
Poor Seb.. I think everybody who crosses Federers path this week will be used as a training buddy by Federer, the kinda training buddy that is just there to keep some of the balls in play, that is :rolleyes:. I would root for Seb of course, but I think even a whole nation cheering couldn't help him.

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 10:24 PM
He can invite Federer a drink, then he can give him a massage (RAiner style, :lol: ) , then he can ... :angel:
BTW, Fonso, 13 you said? :lol:

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 10:38 PM
Nah if Hewitt couldnt beat Federer I cant see how Grosjean will to be honest as I feel Hewitt is a better player than Grosjean anyway.

RogiFan88
06-30-2004, 11:00 PM
didn't they play each other in DC lately??? I guess Seb's been injured... they're both good on grass so who knows??

joeb_uk
06-30-2004, 11:04 PM
beckers advice:
take him out for a drink the night before and get him drunk, and then try something with his girlfriend

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 11:11 PM
beckers advice:
take him out for a drink the night before and get him drunk, and then try something with his girlfriend

LOL class! Boris Becker has been superb during his time with the BBC this year at Wimbledon - some of the stuff he has come out with has been priceless! We :worship: you Boris!

Neely
06-30-2004, 11:21 PM
LOL class! Boris Becker has been superb during his time with the BBC this year at Wimbledon - some of the stuff he has come out with has been priceless! We :worship: you Boris!
I know, he can be really great and the last years he also learnt to talk and express himself better and better. Also in his German interviews the last years I've noticed that he is much more eloquent than in his earlier days.
He also established himself with a nice sports talkshow on German TV that is broadcasted every four weeks. Not too shabby, Boris! :hatoff:

joeb_uk
06-30-2004, 11:24 PM
he is a legend! he is so funny and nice to hear when he commentates on the matches! i like mcenroe too, but not cash :D

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 11:25 PM
he is a legend! he is so funny and nice to hear when he commentates on the matches! i like mcenroe too, but not cash :D

I like McEnroe for his commentary as hes realy funny but I do also like Pat Cash for his style etc. It must be very interesting at the BBC with both Cash and Lucy Rusedski working - especially after what Cash said about her husband :eek:

joeb_uk
06-30-2004, 11:29 PM
lol, what did he say?
i dont have a clue how the bimbo is working there anyway

MissPovaFan
06-30-2004, 11:37 PM
lol, what did he say?
i dont have a clue how the bimbo is working there anyway

hehe shes gorgeous though ;) Greg has done well!

Wasn't it Pat Cash who came out in public months ago before Greg was cleared to say that Greg would never ever have any respect again?

rue
07-01-2004, 03:59 AM
I don't think Grosjean can actually do anything to Federer. Federer is really confident right now especially after beating Hewitt in a tight match. It will be quite easy for him.

WyveN
07-01-2004, 04:10 AM
Grosjean has been very impressive so far and he did take out Hewitt in queens last year. Federer will probably win but if he is not at 100% then he certainly cant take this match for granted.

Fedex
07-01-2004, 04:15 AM
Grosjean has all the weapons. He is alot like Federer, only Fed is slightly better in each department. I think he may push Federer in a couple of sets, but i think he'll win in straight sets. Grosjean is very talented, and is an excelent grass court player. You dont make consecutive Queens Finals, and Wimbledon semifinals, if youre not great on this surface. He is definatly one of the best grass players, so Roger will need to play well to beat him.

vene
07-01-2004, 05:09 AM
Nothing. Rogi will beat him easily and will be well rested to take on Mario Ancic, who will be a real test.....I am really worried about that matchup. Ancic is playing great.

LCeh
07-01-2004, 05:11 AM
The only way Grosjean can win is if he S&V great against Roger. You cannot allow Federer to get into any type of rhythm. Hewitt played a baseline game against Roger, and pretty much Roger was in control. If Roger played badly, Hewitt had chances, if Roger plays better, Hewitt gets blown off. I think the key to playing Federer is not to get into those long baseline rallies, or else you are just asking for trouble. S&V, attack his backhand, and stay aggressive. That is the only way.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 05:16 AM
I think Grosjean has a good chance. Feds and him haven't played eachother in awhile so itll be really interesting. At the very least Sebastien will rough him up enough to do Ancic a favour ;) :devil:

Goenitz_196
07-01-2004, 05:17 AM
This has the markings of a Federer win. Straight sets. However if Grosjean serves really well against him (unlike Hewitt did) we could see some tiebreaks.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 05:21 AM
Federer is an outstanding player, but can he be consistently outstanding in succession against really tough grasscourt players? That should be the real question here. His next matches might be a lot longer than what he's used to. I mean Hewitt broke and took a set off him (and convincingly), Grosjean will be at him tomorrow, and then either Roddick or Ancic. *Definitely* tougher than last year. These guys are pound for pound better and more complete players than say... Mark Phillippoussis, so its no cakewalk. It won't be easy for anyone really. Not even for Feds.

LCeh
07-01-2004, 05:26 AM
No doubt Federer hasn't won this title yet. The final will be tough, and if Grosjean plays well, he can beat Fed too if Fed is having a bad day.

I personally think he will keep it up for the next 2 matches. After beating Lleyton, he is now even more confident, and I can only see him playing better, if it doesn't rain again... ;)

vene
07-01-2004, 05:26 AM
Certainly has been a tough run for Rogi, but Grosjean doesn't have the weapons to hurt him. LCeh, Rogi was saying in his post match conference that he felt he was not as consistent as Hewitt in the baseline rallies and maybe that was a mistake, he should have S&V more.

LCeh
07-01-2004, 05:28 AM
No, I think he was 50% at net. Going into net when you are not confident will kill you, especially against Lleyton.

BTW, why is the press conference still not out? It's nowhere to be found at Wimbledon's site... :(

undomiele
07-01-2004, 05:31 AM
I really want either Mario Ancic or Sebastien to win. :bounce: Roger doesn't need another cow ;) :p

undomiele
07-01-2004, 05:32 AM
Certainly has been a tough run for Rogi, but Grosjean doesn't have the weapons to hurt him.

Why? Because you say so? Grosjean has been playing wonderful tennis --you make it sound as if he doesnt even have a chance. :rolleyes: Shows how much you know. Grosjean has always been a really good grassplayer and he possesses a powerful forehand. He's definitely the underdog but he does have a good chance.

Hingie
07-01-2004, 05:42 AM
I've always believed that the best time to beat Federer is in the early rounds of tournaments. It seems to me that Roger gets better and better as the tournament progresses because he just seems to get into more and more of a groove as the tournament goes on. Examples: Aussie Open this year. Somewhat tough match against Hewitt, then trounces everyone else, including Safin and Ferrero. Last year's wimby, same thing. This man just gets better and better. There's really very little Grosjean can do to Federer. However, you can never underestimate a player. This match hasn't been won yet. If Federer does have an off day(I doubt it will happen, but you never know), then Grosjean's speed and fight can certainly cause him some trouble. Grosjean can't hurt Federer, but Federer can hurt himself. That's the only way Grosjean will even win a set.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 05:56 AM
I've always believed that the best time to beat Federer is in the early rounds of tournaments. It seems to me that Roger gets better and better as the tournament progresses because he just seems to get into more and more of a groove as the tournament goes on. Examples: Aussie Open this year. Somewhat tough match against Hewitt, then trounces everyone else, including Safin and Ferrero. Last year's wimby, same thing. This man just gets better and better. There's really very little Grosjean can do to Federer. However, you can never underestimate a player. This match hasn't been won yet. If Federer does have an off day(I doubt it will happen, but you never know), then Grosjean's speed and fight can certainly cause him some trouble. Grosjean can't hurt Federer, but Federer can hurt himself. That's the only way Grosjean will even win a set.

Wow, it must have been a real shock for you to see Lleyton take a set off him then. :rolleyes: What did you chalk that up to? Voodoo? However close it was, Hewitt earned that set, it wasn't roger having an "off" moment as you would call it. Hewitt capitalized on his moments during that set and played slightly better. Pure and simple. He deserved it. Oh and by the way I didn't know the rules were changed in the game so that only Roger, and not others, could get better in a tournament as they progressed. :rolleyes: Silly me!

Both Grosjean and/or Ancic could break out as grasscourt players and this might be the very tournament. Its not a crazy possibility. So I'd appreciate it if you stop talking as if it were a crazy concept. These guys have real potential.

Lisbeth
07-01-2004, 06:02 AM
Grosjean is one of the great underrated players. I think (haven't checked but I think I recall) that he is one of a tiny handful of active players with a semi at all 4 slams. So he's definitely a good player with giant killer potential. On the other hand, unless Federer is more exhausted than he looked from the Hewitt match, I can't really see how Grosjean can beat him - or how anyone else can beat him for that matter. He just has too many facets to his game.

lsy
07-01-2004, 06:09 AM
I didn't get to watch any of Grosjean match so far except the one in Queens. According to my commentators, Grosjean is the man to watch out for, everybody is talking about Henman, Federer, Andy and nobody is noticing how good he's playing at the moment.

Federer needs to keep his intensity level going and not let loose after coming off a tough match against Hewitt. Just look at Tim, after his tough win over Mark, I don't think many were too worried about his match vs Ancic and there you have a straight sets defeat (honestly I really do feel for Henman).

Hewitt made a good point in his interview, it's a best of 5 matches, there's higher chance to catch Federer when his level drops off slightly. But Federer really gives the impression that he is very determined to defend his title here, it's his main goal for this year and I don't think he's going to let it go in any match at all, especially now that he's in the SF.

Fedex
07-01-2004, 06:15 AM
There's no way that 2nd set was won convincly :( Hewitt just barely got that set, Federer didnt show up for the breaker. I remember he missed a few easy shots on break points in the 2nd. He still won convincingly, despite losing a set. I mean winning the other sets 6-1, 6-0, 6-4, is certainly convincing.

Lisbeth
07-01-2004, 06:18 AM
actually maybe Grosjean "only" made semis at 3 slams (not USO) but still, he's clearly a class player.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 06:29 AM
I remember at this exact point last year everybody was mostly ignoring Federer and focused on Roddick as the heir apparent of Wimbledon (especially the media) then Roddick got his ass kicked. Remember? Everyone thought Federer was too much of a basketcase, inconsistent, etc. Then he delivered that one match against Roddick and people were finally ready to accept his potential as a number one player. The truth is Grand Slams do have a way of bringing out the best in people (think Ivanisevich, Krajicek, one-GS winners, etc) and to write deserving players like Grosjean and now Ancic off in the SF's as a crazy notion just strikes me as unwise and premature. Hell, I didn't think Gaudio had a chance in hell against Coria and he proved me wrong, and this was Gaudio@! the infamous choker! I, for one, am not writing off deserving semi-finalists/finalists like that ever again. I learned my lesson.

Lalitha
07-01-2004, 06:35 AM
Grosjean could do something like what Boris Becker has said in LCeh's siggy.

Ofcourse, Seb is an underestimated player, but I feel he has very little chance against Federer. With the way that Federer is playing now, I don't think his 'off-day' or 'bad day' is anyway nearer.

LCeh
07-01-2004, 06:37 AM
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this undomiele.

If you don't believe that if Roger plays his best, he will beat Grosjean, then I can understand why you are getting mad. I have no question that Grosjean is a great grass court player, but many of us can't see Roger getting beaten when he is playing well, especially on grass.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 06:40 AM
There's no way that 2nd set was won convincly :( Hewitt just barely got that set, Federer didnt show up for the breaker. I remember he missed a few easy shots on break points in the 2nd. He still won convincingly, despite losing a set. I mean winning the other sets 6-1, 6-0, 6-4, is certainly convincing.

I didnt say roger didnt win the match convincingly, Im saying that Hewitt during the second set played good enough tennis to, first, *keep up* with Federer and then, secondly, win the set. Plus he broke Feds in the match. Not bad for a guy who was (lately) having a God-awful losing streak against Roger. Roger outplayed him everywhere else (though the fourth set was a thriller) but Hewitt winning the Tiebreak is hardly just luck when he had the game to keep up with Federer in the first place and take it to a tiebreak.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 06:50 AM
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this undomiele.

If you don't believe that if Roger plays his best, he will beat Grosjean, then I can understand why you are getting mad. I have no question that Grosjean is a great grass court player, but many of us can't see Roger getting beaten when he is playing well, especially on grass.

Wow, thats funny!!! Im not upset about this at all. Really! ;) But the "many of us" you quote in your statement above doesn't represent me. I sincerely believe, based on what Ive seen of their matches so far, in the *possibility* that Grosjean and/or Ancic might be breaking out (more Ancic than Grosjean but still!). If you wish or think otherwise, thats fine, I just wanted to remind everyone that weirder things in tennis have happened than having Roger lose to Grosjean, or Ancic, (or yes even Roddick)... The French Open comes to mind.... ;)

LCeh
07-01-2004, 06:51 AM
K, just making sure, cause you sounded really bitter. ;)

WyveN
07-01-2004, 06:53 AM
I thought Hewitt played better in the 4th set then he did in the 2nd set

undomiele
07-01-2004, 06:56 AM
nah, not bitter, sarcastic definitely but not bitter. Tennis is just entertainment after all right? I'd prefer not to see Federer win again but if he does it won't be that big of a deal.

chris whiteside
07-01-2004, 07:07 AM
Federer just seems to be getting better and better. If he becomes almost unbeatable I don't necesssarily think it augurs well for the game that one player dominates.

This is a mis-match.

undomiele
07-01-2004, 07:15 AM
That Hewitt played well enough to take a set off Feds and break him the way Federer can play on Feds' best surface was pretty significant. No matter how close it was. It shows that the tour is studying Federer and finding gameplans and ways to make it harder for him to win then say, a couple of months ago. I think most of the top players by now have realized that one of the keys to beating him is, for example, to take him off his rhythm, and the fact that Hewitt has managed to do that for several games throughout the match when for a whole year he had been losing pitifully throughout all his matches to Roger is to me, significant. The tour is trying to adjust to Federer and I find it interesting thats all. The tour is responding to Federer.

chris whiteside
07-01-2004, 08:11 AM
That Hewitt played well enough to take a set off Feds and break him the way Federer can play on Feds' best surface was pretty significant. No matter how close it was. It shows that the tour is studying Federer and finding gameplans and ways to make it harder for him to win then say, a couple of months ago. I think most of the top players by now have realized that one of the keys to beating him is, for example, to take him off his rhythm, and the fact that Hewitt has managed to do that for several games throughout the match when for a whole year he had been losing pitifully throughout all his matches to Roger is to me, significant. The tour is trying to adjust to Federer and I find it interesting thats all. The tour is responding to Federer.


Good point, when you think of how the women's tour has responded to Venus and Serena Williams.

WyveN
07-01-2004, 08:17 AM
That Hewitt played well enough to take a set off Feds and break him the way Federer can play on Feds' best surface was pretty significant.


Are you sure your not over reacting? Who said Federer can't lose sets/serves/matches on grass?
Even Sampras never went through Wimbledon without losing a set.


No matter how close it was. It shows that the tour is studying Federer and finding gameplans and ways to make it harder for him to win then say, a couple of months ago.


A couple of months ago, Federer was #3 and Roddick was dominating.

Hingie
07-01-2004, 08:35 AM
Wow, it must have been a real shock for you to see Lleyton take a set off him then. :rolleyes: What did you chalk that up to? Voodoo? However close it was, Hewitt earned that set, it wasn't roger having an "off" moment as you would call it. Hewitt capitalized on his moments during that set and played slightly better. Pure and simple. He deserved it. Oh and by the way I didn't know the rules were changed in the game so that only Roger, and not others, could get better in a tournament as they progressed. :rolleyes: Silly me!

Both Grosjean and/or Ancic could break out as grasscourt players and this might be the very tournament. Its not a crazy possibility. So I'd appreciate it if you stop talking as if it were a crazy concept. These guys have real potential.

Oh gosh, Lleyton winning a set off Federer was not a surprise for me. He played very well and deserved that second set. But Hewitt winning that second set was a combination of Federer's level dropping and Hewitt being able to stay with Federer long enough until Roger gave him an opportunity, which he took. Good for Hewitt for winning a set off Roger. But honey, we're not talking about a set, we're talking about a best of 5 match. The notion that anyone can defeat Roger at his best out of a best of 5 match is ridiculous. Hewitt winning a set off Roger and breaking Roger Federer does not prove that the tour is finding out a way to beat Roger Federer. You speak as if Roger was invincible and winning a set off of him was the most unlikely thing. If that's the case, then I guess that Andy Roddick and Seb Grosjean are both invincible because no one has won a set off them. It's more than that. I do not doubt that there can be a major upset tomorrow. I even said it myself. I don't believe in writing off a player before the match has even begun. But surely you must agree with me that if Federer plays at the top of his game, or even maintains his fairly high level of play of today, then Grosjean has very little chance to win. The topic of the thread was, what can Grosjean do to Federer. And the answer is quite simple, nothing. There is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer. Grosjean must play his normal game and hope that Federer is having an off day, and if that happens, then Grosjean will have a great chance. I really don't understand why you must be so sarcastic and defensive in your response to me. I never even said that ONLY Roger can get better as the tournament progresses, yet in your response you sarcastically(with rolled eyes) mock me. My dear, I only said that similar to Serena and Venus Williams, Roger Federer becomes more and more difficult to beat once he enters the later rounds of Grand Slams. Think of his recent slam losses, they were all before the quarterfinals. And this year alone, he has yet to loose in a semifinal or a final. I'm not saying that he is invincible, nor am I completely dismissing the other players. I'm not trying to, I was merely answering the question of this thread. Plus, there is a HUGE difference between Sebastien Grosjean and Roger Federer of last year. For one, Federer had beaten Pete Sampras at Wimbledon already and everyone knew Federer had the game to become a legend. Everyone was just waiting for it to all come together because Federer has had trouble harnessing all his natural raw talents. Grosjean has nowhere the gifts nor talent for us to expect him to breakthrough. I'm not trying to disrespect Grosjean, he's a great player. But one has to believe that this match is entirely in the hands of Roger Federer. Mario Ancic, on the other hand, now he has a much better chance of derailing the Roddick-Federer finals. I could see your argument for Ancic breaking through this year, but Grosjean will need an awful lot of help from Federer.

Aurora
07-01-2004, 09:38 AM
Attacking, going for each shot as if his life depended on it, hitting the lines, not letting Fed get into a rhythm and praying Rogi is a tiny bit off. Go Seb!

Marine
07-01-2004, 10:29 AM
beckers advice:
take him out for a drink the night before and get him drunk, and then try something with his girlfriend

Seb is married and he's not Becker, he's loyal. ;)

undomiele
07-01-2004, 01:59 PM
Oh gosh, Lleyton winning a set off Federer was not a surprise for me. He played very well and deserved that second set. But Hewitt winning that second set was a combination of Federer's level dropping and Hewitt being able to stay with Federer long enough until Roger gave him an opportunity, which he took. Good for Hewitt for winning a set off Roger. But honey, we're not talking about a set, we're talking about a best of 5 match. The notion that anyone can defeat Roger at his best out of a best of 5 match is ridiculous. Hewitt winning a set off Roger and breaking Roger Federer does not prove that the tour is finding out a way to beat Roger Federer. You speak as if Roger was invincible and winning a set off of him was the most unlikely thing. If that's the case, then I guess that Andy Roddick and Seb Grosjean are both invincible because no one has won a set off them. It's more than that. I do not doubt that there can be a major upset tomorrow. I even said it myself. I don't believe in writing off a player before the match has even begun. But surely you must agree with me that if Federer plays at the top of his game, or even maintains his fairly high level of play of today, then Grosjean has very little chance to win. The topic of the thread was, what can Grosjean do to Federer. And the answer is quite simple, nothing. There is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer. Grosjean must play his normal game and hope that Federer is having an off day, and if that happens, then Grosjean will have a great chance. I really don't understand why you must be so sarcastic and defensive in your response to me. I never even said that ONLY Roger can get better as the tournament progresses, yet in your response you sarcastically(with rolled eyes) mock me. My dear, I only said that similar to Serena and Venus Williams, Roger Federer becomes more and more difficult to beat once he enters the later rounds of Grand Slams. Think of his recent slam losses, they were all before the quarterfinals. And this year alone, he has yet to loose in a semifinal or a final. I'm not saying that he is invincible, nor am I completely dismissing the other players. I'm not trying to, I was merely answering the question of this thread. Plus, there is a HUGE difference between Sebastien Grosjean and Roger Federer of last year. For one, Federer had beaten Pete Sampras at Wimbledon already and everyone knew Federer had the game to become a legend. Everyone was just waiting for it to all come together because Federer has had trouble harnessing all his natural raw talents. Grosjean has nowhere the gifts nor talent for us to expect him to breakthrough. I'm not trying to disrespect Grosjean, he's a great player. But one has to believe that this match is entirely in the hands of Roger Federer. Mario Ancic, on the other hand, now he has a much better chance of derailing the Roddick-Federer finals. I could see your argument for Ancic breaking through this year, but Grosjean will need an awful lot of help from Federer.


I think the whole point of our debate is that you think Federer is invincible against Grosjean and I don't. You *say* you don't think he is invincible but you certainly use language that can pretty much only support that point of view. Just because you think "there is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer" or that "Grosjean has nowhere the gifts nor talent for us to expect him to breakthrough" doesn't mean I have to agree with you. I believe he has been playing amazing tennis and is one of the best grasscourters out there. In turn, you claim to respect Sebastien Grosjean but I believe you have used poor words to express that respect in that your language. If you respected him you'd reflect the fact that he has a chance in your language (even statistically he has a chance!) but, my dear Hingie, you haven't. So make up your mind. "Nothing", for example, is a pretty strong word in my opinion. It allows for no chance. And I will always disagree with that when Sebastien has been playing really really well in this tournament.

Bottom line: Sebastien deserves the benefit of the doubt. And you're clearly not giving it to him. Thats where the sarcasm comes in. ;) :devil:

TennisLurker
07-01-2004, 02:02 PM
undomiele, you are like a jinx, whenever you doubt that federer will win, he wins

undomiele
07-01-2004, 02:09 PM
undomiele, you are like a jinx, whenever you doubt that federer will win, he wins


I didn't believe that a such a clear-headed rational person as yourself (who at one point suggested the women were too emotional to be good umpires or something stupid like that) believed in superstitious nonsense. Thanks for again correcting my perception of you.

Oh and for the record, I totally believe Federer has the upper hand here. He will most likely win. I just think Sebastien has played well enough to be owned some benefit of the doubt thats all. He's one of my favourite players and he's good! I mean if Karlovic could take Feds to three tb's then weirder things can happen like Grosjean making it close... ;)

LCeh
07-01-2004, 05:32 PM
I think the whole point of our debate is that you think Federer is invincible against Grosjean and I don't. You *say* you don't think he is invincible but you certainly use language that can pretty much only support that point of view. Just because you think "there is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer" or that "Grosjean has nowhere the gifts nor talent for us to expect him to breakthrough" doesn't mean I have to agree with you. I believe he has been playing amazing tennis and is one of the best grasscourters out there. In turn, you claim to respect Sebastien Grosjean but I believe you have used poor words to express that respect in that your language. If you respected him you'd reflect the fact that he has a chance in your language (even statistically he has a chance!) but, my dear Hingie, you haven't. So make up your mind. "Nothing", for example, is a pretty strong word in my opinion. It allows for no chance. And I will always disagree with that when Sebastien has been playing really really well in this tournament.

Bottom line: Sebastien deserves the benefit of the doubt. And you're clearly not giving it to him. Thats where the sarcasm comes in. ;) :devil:

Nobody thinks Roger is invincible. He can lose, Grosjean has a chance, I think everyone is saying the same thing. How are people not giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Grosjean must play his normal game and hope that Federer is having an off day, and if that happens, then Grosjean will have a great chance.

rue
07-01-2004, 10:48 PM
Federer is probably now more confident than ever especially after beating Hewitt in the last match. He will defeat Grosjean in 3 sets and then win again on Sunday to take the trophy for the second consecutive time.

Shy
07-01-2004, 10:59 PM
That Hewitt played well enough to take a set off Feds and break him the way Federer can play on Feds' best surface was pretty significant..
Not really, Roger used to lose to Hewitt all tha time. The fact that Roger can now beat Hewitt and bagel him show how much that he is a better player than he was last year. Everyone seem to forget that Hewitt was his nemesis.

vene
07-01-2004, 11:22 PM
No, I think he was 50% at net. Going into net when you are not confident will kill you, especially against Lleyton.

BTW, why is the press conference still not out? It's nowhere to be found at Wimbledon's site... :(
Yeah, I don't know why, I saw it on ESPN

pinky
07-01-2004, 11:27 PM
The press conference is up now btw :)

Leo
07-01-2004, 11:49 PM
He can do many of the things Hewitt tried to do to Federer. I give him a chance to win a set. No more.

Havok
07-02-2004, 12:08 AM
Seb has enough game to cause problems to Fed. He has a very good serve,retur,forehand,backhand,speed,volley but he misses too much. If he's on, he'll pick on Fed's backhand a lot and sneak in to net. He might make a set or two close, but Roger will pull out the win.

Skyward
07-02-2004, 12:16 AM
Grosjean had a very easy draw. He has not faced anyone close to Roger's level. It could be a disadvantage. But his legs definetely should be fresh.

Hingie
07-02-2004, 01:12 AM
Well let me just make myself clear, in case I have failed to do so. There is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer. Grosjean can win the match. Just because I think that there is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer does not mean that I think that Federer is a sure bet to win it. Federer can have an off day. Grosjean can surprise and shock me and make me stuff my own words down my mouth and come out and play the match of his life. Bottom line for me is that if Federer plays his best, there truly is nothing that Grosjean can do. There wouldn't even be anything Roddick or Safin or Agassi could do. Am I giving too much credit to Federer? Maybe. But that's just my opinion, and nothings going to change that. Hope that clear things up.

WyveN
07-02-2004, 04:50 AM
Grosjean can beat Federer but given that their games are pretty similar Roger will certainly need to be playing below the Hewitt level for Seb to win.
I think Seb would have a far better chance had this been 2nd or 3rd round but in the semis I can't see Roger letting up.

Havok
07-02-2004, 04:52 AM
Ok well you saying "there is nothing Grosjean can do to Federer" meaning he cant take a set off him or something? dont undermine Seb's game, he has awesome firepower, so saying Grosjean has nothing is a bit :retard: if his game will be enough to dent Fed, i doubt, but dont say he's got nothing :rolleyes:

*SKYE*
07-02-2004, 04:57 AM
lol yeh grosjean cant do nuthin to federer....

Hingie
07-02-2004, 05:04 AM
Let's just wait for tomorrow. I'm just looking forward to hopefully seeing a great match. Hell, if I'm gonna wake up at 5 am in the morning to watch it, it best be good. Good luck guys!

¿esquímaux?
07-02-2004, 06:28 AM
It's a real treat to see Federer play! :worship: And I wish him the best against Grosjean :D

YinYin
07-02-2004, 08:58 AM
hehe:)
i have to say all he can do is:
let roger to go though~~

BaselineSmash
07-02-2004, 03:35 PM
From the 5 games played so far, I'd say Grosjean's best bet is to continue hitting through his backhand. It has reaped rewards thus far.

¿esquímaux?
07-02-2004, 03:40 PM
What is the rain forecast for the rest of today?

LCeh
07-02-2004, 03:43 PM
There will probably be rain for the entire day. :(

¿esquímaux?
07-02-2004, 03:46 PM
Weather in England :retard:

BaselineSmash
07-02-2004, 04:49 PM
I know, almost as bad as New York in 2003...

Leo
07-02-2004, 08:49 PM
The weather this tournament is definitely worse overall than last year's US Open. And the problem is that it's like this consistently in England. We haven't had a rain-free Wimbledon since '96, I think.

Hingie
07-03-2004, 01:17 AM
There was definitely very little Grosjean was able to do out there against Federer. His only hopes now is that the rain disrupts Federer's rhythm and pray that Fed comes out flat tomorrow.

Billabong
07-03-2004, 04:24 AM
Continue Fed:yeah:!!!