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Sunset of Age
04-23-2008, 11:54 PM
It doesn't surprise me that the haters think that. Plus because Roger never took time off some think it's not possible that he was sick because if he was he wouldn't be playing, he'd be in bed or a hospital somewhere.

Yeah. The Sad Ignorance of Youth, as I happen to call it. :rolleyes:

nobama
04-24-2008, 12:08 AM
Steve Tignor's take on the match. He mentions several times Roger being camped out on the baseline which is what I remember from the match too. His thoughts are exactly my thoughts. Especially the comment about Roger having too much game for clay. Obviously Roger and Jose feel being aggressive is the right strategy, and I agree with that, BUT when it's not working I think Roger needs to dial it back and maybe not pull the trigger so soon.

Tignor still thinks Roger will make the SF. :unsure:

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/2008/04/getting-dirty.html

nobama
04-24-2008, 12:15 AM
Federer hoping Higueras' wisdom rubs off in time for French Open (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3361454)
By Joel Drucker
Updated: April 23, 2008, 11:16 AM ET

A new set of eyes is exactly what Roger Federer needs after an ominous start in 2008.

When it comes to assessing the new relationship between Jose Higueras and Roger Federer, let's first clear up one major misperception. Yes, Higueras is from Spain, where he learned to play the game in Barcelona on red clay. Yes, Higueras had his best results as a player on clay, reaching two French Open semis and twice winning in the exceptionally thick conditions of Hamburg on his way to a career-high ranking of No. 6 in the world. And yes, two of Higueras' most notable charges, Michael Chang and Jim Courier, won the French Open under his tutelage.

But he is in no way a clay-court specialist. Says another of his prominent past players, Todd Martin, "Jose understands the entire game. He sees the whole picture. He knows what it takes to help you improve."

At 55, Higueras -- who for the past 25 years has lived in the Palm Springs area -- remains trim, alert and most of all, as he puts it, someone who "loves talking tennis with just about anyone." Whenever he walks onto the court with a student -- and Higueras has worked not just with Grand Slam champions but also with dozens of juniors and recreational players -- he will say, "I am going to share some ideas with you. If you agree, that's great. If you don't, that's OK, too. Tell me why you think I'm full of it and maybe we'll learn something new together."

It's a remarkable mix of candor, curiosity and security that at first can be disarming but in short order reveals a rich, textured understanding of the game that goes beyond the mere act of striking balls or even the more nuanced but neglected art of grasping tactics.

"This is a game of errors," says Higueras. "That's as true for the pros as it is for weekend players. So what you've got to do is understand how to minimize yours and force the opponent to miss. I think in America, for example, there's too much emphasis on pure offense over the ability to play intelligent defense."

In this country there's a tendency to polarize offense and defense -- as if it was a matter of either playing guns-a-blazing, a la Pete Sampras, or hunkering down, like Michael Chang. Higueras sees a yin-yang relationship between the two, a mind-set that may certainly value patience but also views the game as far more subtle than it's often taught. As Higueras recently said, "You need to able to adjust the ball, and that requires a lot of work and repetition. In tennis you must learn how to give to the ball and take from the ball."

Which naturally leads to Roger Federer, a man whose commanding ability to balance defense and offense has earned him 12 Grand Slam titles and put him on a pace to be regarded as the best player in tennis history. It's an honor he likely would clinch conclusively should he be able to win the only Slam that has eluded him, the French Open. It's only in Paris, and only versus Rafael Nadal, that Federer's smooth game has become unglued.

So even if Higueras can indeed aid a player on all surfaces, everything from his roots in clay to his calm, understated manner has brought him into Federer's orbit in the buildup to Roland Garros.

What can we expect to see? Try this seemingly counterintuitive concept: A defensive shot can put Federer more on the offense. The shot at hand is the slice backhand. This may be a stroke that's rarely seen in professional tennis, but Higueras over the years has spoken frequently about its neglect -- and the genuine opportunities its adroit use can create.

Think back to the three matches Federer has lost to Rafael Nadal at Roland Garros. In all of them, the deal-breaker shot was Nadal's forehand, a shot that because he's left-handed he can hit up and away from Federer's backhand. All too often, Federer has stubbornly replied with a topspin drive. When hit up near his shoulders, driving a topspin backhand does little but bounce just high enough to give Nadal another friendly whack at his forehand and eventually splinter Federer's backhand.

But as Higueras points out, "When you slice, the ball stays lower and you force someone with Nadal's grip to hit up on the ball rather than drive through it. This means there's more spin and less pace." A ball that's less forceful could give Federer time to step in and drive his own powerful forehand.

We all know Federer has one of the best forehands in the game but honing his slice backhand will help immensely on clay.
Even beyond that tactical play, the slice backhand can be used as a foil -- knifed through the middle of the court, to a sideline, a drop shot or as an off-pace, low service return. All of these shots can help move Nadal away from the figurative trench he digs behind the baseline, where his defense is extraordinary. Make Nadal move forward into the court and perhaps he will not always be as effective. At the pro level, the key to an effective slice backhand is not just to hack the ball the way recreational players often do, but also to drive through it and generate forward motion. It's a shot Federer has, but has not deployed as much as he might.


But the slice backhand is only one part of what Higueras will bring to Federer. Most of all, Higueras is enthusiastic and can bring Federer a fresh pair of eyes. Even if he's not always needed or cared much for constant input, surely Federer will benefit from someone as wise as Higueras. His manner is also a good fit for the low-key Federer, hardly in-your-face, eager but not desperate for the job. "I don't want to create dependence," Higueras once said. "I want the player to learn how to be independent."

Joel Drucker is based in Oakland, Calif., and writes for Tennis Magazine and Tennis Channel.

Sunset of Age
04-24-2008, 12:17 AM
Steve Tignor's take on the match. He mentions several times Roger being camped out on the baseline which is what I remember from the match too. His thoughts are exactly my thoughts. Especially the comment about Roger having too much game for clay. Obviously Roger and Jose feel being aggressive is the right strategy, and I agree with that, BUT when it's not working I think Roger needs to dial it back and maybe not pull the trigger so soon.

Tignor still thinks Roger will make the SF. :unsure:

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/2008/04/getting-dirty.html

I pretty much agree with Tignor, here.
Being aggressive is indeed the correct strategy, but ONLY if Roger manages to lower the excessive number of UE's, IMHO. :help:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 01:03 AM
OOP for tomorrow
COURT CENTRAL start 10:00 am
[[1] R Federer (SUI) vs G Monfils (FRA)


no LIVE instarsport again~~~:rolleyes:
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Roger!!!!:bounce::bounce:

GOD Bless you!

*esther*
04-24-2008, 01:15 AM
no LIVE instarsport again~~~:rolleyes:

Same here, no live coverage :mad: BUT, you can watch Star Sport livestream from your computer.

Here is the link...... TVU Networks (http://pages.tvunetworks.com/channels/index.jsp?g=3#)

Hope it helps.

RogiFan88
04-24-2008, 03:34 AM
Wow you must have a very good metabolism and have an excellent palette and taste. :yeah: Enjoy. ;)

:lol: I have a fast metabolism, which isn't that great, esp when travelling because I am ALWAYS hungry... I sit and burn calories just worrying about stuff... it's annoying! :p

but I have to have my chocolate... just about every day... whether sitting or walking around some new exciting travel destination!

RogiFan88
04-24-2008, 03:35 AM
All I can say is:

ALLEZ, ROGI!!! fight your opponent, fight the crowd and win this match!!!

...taking this year one match at a time... ;)

neenah
04-24-2008, 04:24 AM
Yet again I can't watch Fed's match and have to wake up to the result :unsure: Hoping for the best for Roger :dance:

Rommella
04-24-2008, 06:11 AM
Tignor still thinks Roger will make the SF. :unsure:

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/2008/04/getting-dirty.html

He's changed his mind? I remember he pegged Nalbandian and Djokovic to come through for the semis on that side of the draw, that Roger would fall but he just couldn't say at which round. Several posters called him out on that, cf the comment of Or Levy:

LOL Steve, I called you on your previous prediction that Roger would not make the Semis before today's match, and it definitly flashed though my mind somewhere around the begining of the third set, and now after the match you are changing your prediction?

I like your way of thinking.

Daniel
04-24-2008, 06:36 AM
Good luck Roger :kiss: :worship:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 06:38 AM
Same here, no live coverage :mad: BUT, you can watch Star Sport livestream from your computer.

Here is the link...... TVU Networks (http://pages.tvunetworks.com/channels/index.jsp?g=3#)

Hope it helps.

thanks, :D

but I need to work Over Time tonight~
:rolleyes:

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 11:30 AM
Roger is ready to go on court..Nadal just beat JCF in 2 sets.
Allezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

didadida
04-24-2008, 11:41 AM
Allez Rogiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 11:48 AM
who is roger playing?

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 11:49 AM
oooh Monfils ;)

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 11:56 AM
My god!!

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 11:57 AM
If Monfils gets any farther behind the baseline, he will almost be in the stands.

didadida
04-24-2008, 11:58 AM
Roger lost his serve 1-2
he is still making ufs 7 till now

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 11:58 AM
anyone have any livestream? :sad:

gertie
04-24-2008, 11:58 AM
got broken this early...:sad:

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 11:59 AM
7 ue in 3 games??

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:02 PM
2bps gone :smash:

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:03 PM
yes he break back 2 allllllllllllllll

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:03 PM
yay he broke back :)

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:03 PM
break back..he did
DF by M..even 2-2
Roger serving

Sunset of Age
04-24-2008, 12:03 PM
7 ue in 3 games??

Trying to break yesterday's record. :p

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:04 PM
yeah~

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:04 PM
great drop shot

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
3-2

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
on serve now..3-2 Roger

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
Phew, breaks back and now has GP

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:05 PM
it's 3-2 now

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:06 PM
yeah, nice touch with the dropshot...

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:06 PM
great drop shot

that one was :eek:

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:06 PM
:D

Break again!

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:07 PM
is live score faster than tv broadcast?

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:12 PM
my god....

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:14 PM
4-3

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:14 PM
is live score faster than tv broadcast?

i think live score has a couple of seconds delay...anyone kno fed's 1st serve stat...

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:16 PM
1st serve won 47%

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:16 PM
63%

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:17 PM
63%

47% st serve won
63% serve

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:18 PM
63%

that's not bad...thats good :)

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:19 PM
yay he broke :)

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:19 PM
a breakkkkkkkkk
5-3

Another RogFan
04-24-2008, 12:19 PM
5-3

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:19 PM
yeah, now 5-3...

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:20 PM
come on just hold serve...

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:21 PM
good play..set point

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:22 PM
first set 6-3

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:22 PM
6-3 Yea!!

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:22 PM
C"mon!!! Roger, hit aces today!!! C'mon!

nobama
04-24-2008, 12:22 PM
Can we go without any drama in the 2nd set. :unsure: :scared:

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:23 PM
winner 6
ufs 13
1st serve 64%
1st serve points won 47%
2nd serve points won 82%

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:24 PM
Can we go without any drama in the 2nd set. :unsure: :scared:

:lol::lol:

Another RogFan
04-24-2008, 12:24 PM
He should be an actor. So much suspense in his actinc lately. O.K. let's take a deep breath now. Second set is coming.

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:27 PM
no more drama please......

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:33 PM
yeah please no drama i dont think i handle a repeat of yesterday's...

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:34 PM
a breakkkkkkkkk
2-1

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:34 PM
my heart will malfunction....

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:34 PM
C'mon!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:35 PM
woohoo...he broke serve!!!!!!!2-1 :)

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:36 PM
love the volley...

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:36 PM
wow, roger has 100% for both 1st n 2nd serve pt won....

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:37 PM
:wow, roger has 100% for both 1st n 2nd serve pt won....

:D

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:38 PM
3-1

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:38 PM
3-1 now come on roger!!!

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:43 PM
net points won 13/15

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:44 PM
net points won 13/15

nice...thats good
...he's playing much better today :)...

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:45 PM
roger has 3 break points..now 2..to lead 5-2

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:46 PM
nevermind

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:46 PM
nice...thats good
...he's playing much better today :)...

yeah he is ;)

lunahielo
04-24-2008, 12:47 PM
4-3 roger

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:48 PM
roger has 3 break points..now 2..to lead 5-2

he lost all of them :mad:
but Monfils was playing really good

Rogiman
04-24-2008, 12:49 PM
I guess it was HidalGOAT's excellent play yesterday then :rolls:

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:53 PM
6-3 5-3 :drive:

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:53 PM
yay 5-3 come on roger!!!!...federer grunting - love it ;P

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:54 PM
Serve it out Roger :scared:

gertie
04-24-2008, 12:56 PM
come on roger!!!!!!!

kinski76
04-24-2008, 12:56 PM
Come on, Roger. No brainfarts, please.

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 12:57 PM
C'mon!!!

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:57 PM
Bizzare serving stats. 80% won behind second serve anf 61% behind first :lol:

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:58 PM
3mps :d

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 12:59 PM
GSM 6-3 6-4

Same score as in Miami this year.

Good staright sets win in 1hr 11 mins :cool:

didadida
04-24-2008, 12:59 PM
:banana::banana::banana:

Rogerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 6-3 6-4

Another RogFan
04-24-2008, 12:59 PM
Let's consider it as the last practice game for Federer at this tourney. Starting tomorrow playing real tennis is an requirement because the serious players are coming.

Rogieva
04-24-2008, 01:00 PM
Won just in time for me to leave for my lecture :D :wavey:

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 01:00 PM
c'mon!! He wins in straight sets...No ace but no Double Fault..

RogerFan82
04-24-2008, 01:00 PM
woohooo!!!! Roger in straight sets !!!!!

^Sue^
04-24-2008, 01:00 PM
:banana::banana::banana:

didadida
04-24-2008, 01:00 PM
today ufs 21
yesterday ufs 54

didadida
04-24-2008, 01:03 PM
it was a good match for Roger espcially for the base line rallies

yanchr
04-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Good win for Roger :yeah: Keep it up!

gertie
04-24-2008, 01:07 PM
good match...much better than yesterday...:)

Dirk
04-24-2008, 01:08 PM
Roger raised his game in the 2nd set judging from the serving stats. I hope to see a replay of it on Tennis Channel later today. I hope Tommy wins because David would make me nervous only because I think Fed has forgotten how to play against him but either way I am confident he will make the semis. I would love to see a rematch of him and Dojo. I think Fed could beat him as long as his body is over the mono.

NYCtennisfan
04-24-2008, 01:10 PM
This is the first time in his career I believe that he has had these serve stats i.e. over 80% (or even over 70%) won on 2nd serve, but only 60% won on first and that includes a love game at the end. Was he spinning the first serve in?

nobama
04-24-2008, 01:13 PM
This is the first time in his career I believe that he has had these serve stats i.e. over 80% (or even over 70%) won on 2nd serve, but only 60% won on first and that includes a love game at the end. Was he spinning the first serve in?Monfils never stepped in on 2nd serve returns. ATP commentators were :scratch: about that.

didadida
04-24-2008, 01:15 PM
This is the first time in his career I believe that he has had these serve stats i.e. over 80% (or even over 70%) won on 2nd serve, but only 60% won on first and that includes a love game at the end. Was he spinning the first serve in?

first set 1st serve wasnt good but it was better in the 2nd set

NYCtennisfan
04-24-2008, 01:15 PM
Monfils never stepped in on 2nd serve returns. ATP commentators were :scratch: about that.

:lol: Nothing new there. I'm not surprised by the fact that Fed didn't hit any aces considering how far back Monfils usually stands to return, his long arms, clay, etc., but I'm surprised that he only won 60% of the points on 1st serve.

anon57
04-24-2008, 01:18 PM
Better match compared to yesterday but I guess it couldn't get much worse. Roger still wasn't playing really well but it will do for now.

yuiwer
04-24-2008, 01:33 PM
Great win Roger. Step by step to the title.

yanchr
04-24-2008, 01:38 PM
This is the first time in his career I believe that he has had these serve stats i.e. over 80% (or even over 70%) won on 2nd serve, but only 60% won on first and that includes a love game at the end. Was he spinning the first serve in?
You are not getting live coverage? Then we are not getting your always great analysis :(

lsy
04-24-2008, 02:01 PM
Whats wrong with star sports??? Less and less tennis coverage these days???

Good to see he had a comfortable win today. Hope he keeps going! :bounce:

Sunset of Age
04-24-2008, 02:09 PM
Looks like Feddie will meet Nalby tomorrow... o_O. :awww: :help:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 02:22 PM
Congrat Roger!!!!

Roger, don't afraid who you will play!!
Do your Best my tennis King!:bounce::bounce:

GOD Please Bless Roger play his Best tennis again!!:worship::worship:

rofe
04-24-2008, 02:28 PM
This is the first time in his career I believe that he has had these serve stats i.e. over 80% (or even over 70%) won on 2nd serve, but only 60% won on first and that includes a love game at the end. Was he spinning the first serve in?

He was spinning it in sometimes. Other times, there was no placement. I am not sure what his strategy was with those 1st serves. :scratch:

rofe
04-24-2008, 02:28 PM
As I expected, a QF. If he doesn't raise his game significantly, QF is as far as he goes.

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 02:31 PM
David win 6-1 6-0~~~~

Come On Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > 0 <!!

juninhOH
04-24-2008, 02:32 PM
I call it. Roger will beat Nalbandian tomorrow in 3 sets. 64 26 63

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 02:35 PM
I call it. Roger will beat Nalbandian tomorrow in 3 sets. 64 26 63



why you think that?:D

ExpectedWinner
04-24-2008, 03:04 PM
I missed Fed's match today. Was he any better than Robredo?:sad:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 03:13 PM
I missed Fed's match today. Was he any better than Robredo?:sad:

Rgoer seems play quite good today~~:D

ExpectedWinner
04-24-2008, 03:26 PM
Rgoer seems play quite good today~~:D


Well, his next opponent is going to play on the baseline, attack his second serve, hit angles, pin him in the bh corner, and make Fed hit that running fh that has been absent for a year.

SUKTUEN
04-24-2008, 03:28 PM
Well, his next opponent is going to play on the baseline, attack his second serve, hit angles, pin him in the bh corner, and make Fed hit that running fh that has been absent for a year.

Really? Hope Roger alsp play his wonderful tennis tomorrow~:D

trickcy
04-24-2008, 04:09 PM
I haven't been around here for a long long time... but I've been supporting Rogi all along.. C'mon Roger!! Time to take down nalby!

anon57
04-24-2008, 04:17 PM
OOP for Friday
COURT CENTRAL - 10:30 AM

Igor ANDREEV (RUS) vs Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS)
Roger FEDERER (SUI) vs David NALBANDIAN (ARG)
David FERRER (ESP) vs Rafael NADAL (ESP)
Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) vs Sam QUERREY (USA) or Richard GASQUET (FRA)

NYCtennisfan
04-24-2008, 04:18 PM
He was spinning it in sometimes. Other times, there was no placement. I am not sure what his strategy was with those 1st serves. :scratch:

Interesting. I think he knew he could own the rallies gainst Monfils. To win any big matches on clay the rest of the way, he's going to have to have a very good first serve. If he doesn't serve well agaisnt Nalbandian tomorrow, he might win only a few games.

Nalbandian's best surface is NOT clay, but he matches up the best against Fed on clay. Fed's two big advantages against Nalbandian are his controlling FH and his serve. Both of those are somewhat neutralized by the clay. He's going to have to rely on his movement (:eek:) and taking his chances with the FH when he can.

Daniel
04-24-2008, 04:25 PM
nice result today Roger... now do your best tomorrow and beat Nalbandian.

:worship:

neenah
04-24-2008, 04:26 PM
OOP for Friday
COURT CENTRAL - 10:30 AM

Igor ANDREEV (RUS) vs Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS)
Roger FEDERER (SUI) vs David NALBANDIAN (ARG)
David FERRER (ESP) vs Rafael NADAL (ESP)
Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) vs Sam QUERREY (USA) or Richard GASQUET (FRA)

Why do they always schedule him so early? Don't they know I don't want to get up that early on my week off? :lol:

Good luck Fed :rocker2: :rocker2:

JediFed
04-24-2008, 04:27 PM
Nalbandian's best surface is NOT clay, but he matches up the best against Fed on clay. Fed's two big advantages against Nalbandian are his controlling FH and his serve. Both of those are somewhat neutralized by the clay. He's going to have to rely on his movement () and taking his chances with the FH when he can.


Usually, I would agree with you here, but it seems Nalbandiand does far better against Roger when it's a fast surface rather then Clay. Yes, Clay neutralizes his serve, but it also seems to give Roger more time against his BH.

Why would you say that Nalby does better against Fed on Clay when he has lost to him on clay and won against him on hardcourts?

rofe
04-24-2008, 06:03 PM
Interesting. I think he knew he could own the rallies gainst Monfils. To win any big matches on clay the rest of the way, he's going to have to have a very good first serve. If he doesn't serve well agaisnt Nalbandian tomorrow, he might win only a few games.

Nalbandian's best surface is NOT clay, but he matches up the best against Fed on clay. Fed's two big advantages against Nalbandian are his controlling FH and his serve. Both of those are somewhat neutralized by the clay. He's going to have to rely on his movement (:eek:) and taking his chances with the FH when he can.

I sort of agree with you. This is what I wrote in the chat thread:

As long as Fed fights against Nalby - I think I will feel ok even if he loses. Nalby is tougher for Roger on hard because his flat angled strokes off both wings pose problems for Roger. On clay, while the angle will create problems, Roger will have a better chance to get to it. The BH DTL will be a little more problematic for Roger since Roger's lateral movement to the FH wing has been suspect for some time.

Fed needs to serve well and go for some good placement and power - not like he did today where he was spinning serves in and not placing them well. If he doesn't serve well - he will get violated by Nalby.

BlueSwan
04-24-2008, 06:13 PM
We need JesusFed to make an appearance for Roger to pull off the win tomorrow. I just don't see it happen. :sad:

nobama
04-24-2008, 06:19 PM
Roger said after the match:

"I was patient and happy to have played so well after yesterday," admitted Federer who said he had held an immediate inquiry into his failings against Ramirez Hidalgo with interim coach Jose Higueras.

"I made a lot of errors in my first match but with Jose I was able to analyse the good and the bad and to see how I turned it around. We created a plan for today.

"It's been an interesting 24 hours for me."

ExpectedWinner
04-24-2008, 06:32 PM
"I made a lot of errors in my first match but with Jose I was able to analyse the good and the bad and to see how I turned it around. We created a plan for today.
"It's been an interesting 24 hours for me."

Hope he'll have even more interesting 24 hours/come up with a plan against Fit David. And then he'll have to make it happen on the court. If for whatever reason, the ability is not there at the moment, any plan is useless.

Federerhingis
04-24-2008, 06:35 PM
Usually, I would agree with you here, but it seems Nalbandiand does far better against Roger when it's a fast surface rather then Clay. Yes, Clay neutralizes his serve, but it also seems to give Roger more time against his BH.

Why would you say that Nalby does better against Fed on Clay when he has lost to him on clay and won against him on hardcourts?

There's two sides to it, the thing is David loves hitting the balls on rise this tactic is not as effective as lets say on a fast surface like carpet, where Nalbandian has had the most success against Fed. The same thing applied for Hingis, while it would seem like clay was her favorite surface, it actually diminished her strengths, which was taking the ball very early and her groundies which were weak to start with where even more lacking in pace on clay. (however she more than compensated with her drop shots and exquisite lobs and angles) Angles is what makes Nalbandian so lethal on clay.

So I agree with you Jedifed, Nalbandian's strengths aren't as strong on clay. I still believe he's got the upper hand tomorrow unless Roger really picks it up on all departmetns, footspeed, defense, serve and forehand plus more consistant backhand.

rofe
04-24-2008, 07:56 PM
Roger said after the match:

"I was patient and happy to have played so well after yesterday," admitted Federer who said he had held an immediate inquiry into his failings against Ramirez Hidalgo with interim coach Jose Higueras.

"I made a lot of errors in my first match but with Jose I was able to analyse the good and the bad and to see how I turned it around. We created a plan for today.

"It's been an interesting 24 hours for me."


For me, this quote is interesting. He has been used to just thinking about his game against his opponents. I think Jose is coming up with a game plan to exploit an opponent's weakness and Roger is still getting used to that. That is why he says that the last 24 hours have been interesting to him.

I hope this trend continues and Roger is able to work with Jose on a game plan for opponents especially the tougher ones.

Federerhingis
04-24-2008, 08:57 PM
For me, this quote is interesting. He has been used to just thinking about his game against his opponents. I think Jose is coming up with a game plan to exploit an opponent's weakness and Roger is still getting used to that. That is why he says that the last 24 hours have been interesting to him.

I hope this trend continues and Roger is able to work with Jose on a game plan for opponents especially the tougher ones.
I hope so too, Fed is a pretty good strategist on his own but outside input can all open his awareness. :D

FedFan_2007
04-24-2008, 09:18 PM
It's fantastic to see Fed responsive to coaching.

didadida
04-24-2008, 09:23 PM
For me, this quote is interesting. He has been used to just thinking about his game against his opponents. I think Jose is coming up with a game plan to exploit an opponent's weakness and Roger is still getting used to that. That is why he says that the last 24 hours have been interesting to him.

I hope this trend continues and Roger is able to work with Jose on a game plan for opponents especially the tougher ones.


this is really interesting cause lately Roger was playing like without any plan :rolleyes:

rofe
04-24-2008, 10:18 PM
I hope so too, Fed is a pretty good strategist on his own but outside input can all open his awareness. :D

Yes he is but as he himself admitted, he creates strategies on the fly while on court and lately he has not been doing so well on or off clay. Having a coach can potentially provide him with a big picture on the opponent's weakness.

Federerhingis
04-24-2008, 10:21 PM
Yes he is but as he himself admitted, he creates strategies on the fly while on court and lately he has not been doing so well on or off clay. Having a coach can potentially provide him with a big picture on the opponent's weakness.

Precisely, he needs to create those tactics player specific. Some players he measures well against but he can't always rely on that. ;)

JediFed
04-24-2008, 10:24 PM
Jose obviously plans to take a stop here before the match. :devil:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/ap_big_mac_070824_ms.jpg

nobama
04-24-2008, 11:22 PM
For me, this quote is interesting. He has been used to just thinking about his game against his opponents. I think Jose is coming up with a game plan to exploit an opponent's weakness and Roger is still getting used to that. That is why he says that the last 24 hours have been interesting to him.

I hope this trend continues and Roger is able to work with Jose on a game plan for opponents especially the tougher ones.Jose attended Kolya's SF match in Estoril. I'd love it if he attended more of Roger's potential opponents matches and used that knowledge to help Roger come up with a game plan.

rofe
04-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Jose attended Kolya's SF match in Estoril. I'd love it if he attended more of Roger's potential opponents matches and used that knowledge to help Roger come up with a game plan.

Yeah, Roger is not used this type of planning going into a match but I firmly believe that in the long term this is exactly what he needs to keep ahead of his rivals. Execution of the game plan is still required of course and Jose can't help him with that.

rofe
04-25-2008, 12:10 AM
Jose obviously plans to take a stop here before the match. :devil:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/ap_big_mac_070824_ms.jpg

Brilliant! :)

He will eat a burger while sitting in Roger's box and distract Nalby enough to make him lose his concentration. He will also need to eat it really slowly and make moaning sounds while eating it. ;)

NYCtennisfan
04-25-2008, 12:31 AM
Usually, I would agree with you here, but it seems Nalbandiand does far better against Roger when it's a fast surface rather then Clay. Yes, Clay neutralizes his serve, but it also seems to give Roger more time against his BH.

Why would you say that Nalby does better against Fed on Clay when he has lost to him on clay and won against him on hardcourts?

He's only played him on clay 3 times. The first time he got ran off of the court. The 2nd time he barely won while playing being in hid best claycourt form, and the 3rd time they played, it's inconclusive due to Nalbandian's injury. He really hasn't had a solid victory over Nalbandian on clay.

Although Nalbandian has had a lot of good matches against Fed on fast surfaces, Federer has also ripped Nalbandian apart on faster surfaces. ONe of his best matches was the 2005 match at the USO where he controlled all the rallies with is FH and BH. He also ripped Nalbandian apart in 2003 on a fast hardcourt, in Madrid, at the TMC, and so on. Nalbandian has really only had 1 easy win against Fed and it was on clay.

On clay, Fed's big advantage is gone i.e. the powerful serve and easy put away. He won't have many of them. He will be forced to rally and the longer he rallies with the BH, the more likely it will break down.

Federerhingis
04-25-2008, 12:31 AM
Brilliant! :)

He will eat a burger while sitting in Roger's box and distract Nalby enough to make him lose his concentration. He will also need to eat it really slowly and make moaning sounds while eating it. ;)

:haha: Never thought of that tactic, visual distractions are very effective. :lol: :tape: :o

Federerhingis
04-25-2008, 12:34 AM
He's only played him on clay 3 times. The first time he got ran off of the court. The 2nd time he barely won while playing his best claycourt tennis, and the 3rd time they played, it's inconclusive due to Nalbandian's injury.

Although Nalbandian has had a lot of good matches against Fed on fast surfaces, Federer has also ripped Nalbandian apart on faster surfaces. ONe of his best matches was the 2005 match at the USO where he controlled all the rallies with is FH and BH. He also ripped Nalbandian apart in 2003 on a fast hardcourt, in Madrid, at the TMC, and so on. Nalbandian has really only had 1 easy win against Fed and it was on clay.

However, wasn't Nalbandian not playing particularly well at the USOpen in 2005?

Good observations, it's just a matter of matchup and head to head, Nalbi had history with defeating Fed even at the Juniors. He beat Fed at the US Open juniors and lost to Fed at the Orange Bowl or the Equivalent of Miami Masters, actually I think Orange Bowl has always been played at the same venue as the pro event.

NYCtennisfan
04-25-2008, 01:32 AM
However, wasn't Nalbandian not playing particularly well at the USOpen in 2005?

Good observations, it's just a matter of matchup and head to head, Nalbi had history with defeating Fed even at the Juniors. He beat Fed at the US Open juniors and lost to Fed at the Orange Bowl or the Equivalent of Miami Masters, actually I think Orange Bowl has always been played at the same venue as the pro event.

Nalbandian didn't play well in the USO match, but Fed didn't let him. Fed didn't let him play well at the 2003 TMC, 2006 TMC, 2006 Madrid, etc.

In any case, Nalbandian playing well is probably Fed's most difficult opponent other than Nadal on clay. I find it funny that people were mentioning players like Davydenko, Almagro, Ferrer and the like. Beating Nalbandian and Djokovic back to back is a much harder task. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Fed will have to win basically 3 finals to win this tournament. :) Yay.

soraya
04-25-2008, 02:55 AM
Nalbandian didn't play well in the USO match, but Fed didn't let him. Fed didn't let him play well at the 2003 TMC, 2006 TMC, 2006 Madrid, etc.

In any case, Nalbandian playing well is probably Fed's most difficult opponent other than Nadal on clay. I find it funny that people were mentioning players like Davydenko, Almagro, Ferrer and the like. Beating Nalbandian and Djokovic back to back is a much harder task. As mentioned earlier in this thread, Fed will have to win basically 3 finals to win this tournament. :) Yay.
If nothing else it will be a good prep for the coming tourneys:)

SUKTUEN
04-25-2008, 02:56 AM
GOD Please Bless Roger!!!!GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Roger!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

lsy
04-25-2008, 03:24 AM
Nalby already??? :scared: I wish that could come maybe 1 or 2 matches later...

Nalby has been the player in all Fedtards nightmare till TMC2003 and Apr2004 when Rogi finally turned it around...No doubt though he remains the player who'd always know how to play Rogi.

With Rogi's current yo-yo form :help: I fear for him...then again he can be beating players a/b/c but till he put up a good match vs one of these players that's where I think will give his confidence a huge boost which is probably much needed for him at the moment.

Good luck Rogi...win or lose just give it a good match! :bounce:

Or Levy
04-25-2008, 08:48 AM
I think a good win over a well-playing Nalby will give Rogi the confidence he needs to beat Nole.

I'll be satisfied with a final here, if he beats Nalby-Nole Back to back, we know we have Roger back.

*esther*
04-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Strive for the best! :D

didadida
04-25-2008, 09:33 AM
good luck Rogeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

Art&Soul
04-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Gooooooooooooo Rogelio

lunahielo
04-25-2008, 10:08 AM
Allez, Roger !

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 10:19 AM
David has been a big rival for Federer not just on the ATP, but ever since they were tennagers growing up. They have always had good matches, and no doubt David is one of the few players who has beaten Roger many times and causes him a lot of trouble. I really hope Roger can win this match, if he wins, the scoreline is not a concern I just want a win :D :D

Udaci Roger :rocker2:

lunahielo
04-25-2008, 10:28 AM
This Davydenko match seems to be lasting forever!! :(

nobama
04-25-2008, 10:30 AM
I think a good win over a well-playing Nalby will give Rogi the confidence he needs to beat Nole.

I'll be satisfied with a final here, if he beats Nalby-Nole Back to back, we know we have Roger back.Finals? I'd love to see that but that's a tall order right now. I just hope he can win today - then I think he will have defended MC points from last year (when you include Estoril points).

gertie
04-25-2008, 11:05 AM
ooh, just in time...i thought im gunna miss his match...good luck roger!!!

trickcy
04-25-2008, 11:23 AM
Good luck Roger!!

gertie
04-25-2008, 11:30 AM
finally davydenko's match is finished though im a little nervous about federer's match...

didadida
04-25-2008, 11:44 AM
Roger to serve

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 11:51 AM
just saw a perfect volley off Rogs' racket
hope he can keep this up & NOT drift into mirkaland ;)

GO ROGER
HOPP

gertie
04-25-2008, 11:54 AM
love service games that's good...

trickcy
04-25-2008, 12:07 PM
Could somebody tell me the score?? Please? Can't watch it right now..:sobbing::sobbing:

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:10 PM
4 all

anon57
04-25-2008, 12:11 PM
It's 4*-4, Roger to serve

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:15 PM
5-4

trickcy
04-25-2008, 12:15 PM
Thank you so much... :wavey:

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:31 PM
roger lost his serve
nalbandian now is serving for the set

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:31 PM
noooooooo!!!he got broken...come on roger break back!

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:36 PM
Roger lost his first set 7-5

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:37 PM
noooo!!!!come on roger...regroup...

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:38 PM
he is playing very good but nalbandian just came up with great shots just in time

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:42 PM
Roger playing well???

lost the first set 5-7 :( :( :(

win in 3 !!

anon57
04-25-2008, 12:43 PM
Roger's playing better than he did in Estoril or in his earlier matches here. Nalbandian just came up with some great shots when he needed to.

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:44 PM
roger has 2BPS early on. this could change the set and match

must take them!!

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 12:44 PM
playing well

maybe he can break here in 2nd game
that would help


GO ROGER

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:44 PM
a break for Rogiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:45 PM
woohoo he broke serve...come on!!!just hold serve!!!!!!

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:45 PM
Roger breaks for the first time ! :D

5-7 2-0

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 12:45 PM
awesome

2-0

now hold ....please

GO ROGER

DF's don't help :(

15-15

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:46 PM
Well Rog with the early break gifted by Nalby.

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:47 PM
break back points :help:

WTA :p

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:47 PM
well that was short lived, broken back to 15 :(

5-7 1-2

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:48 PM
:mad: the dreaded breakback :rolleyes:

mangoes
04-25-2008, 12:48 PM
Roger's playing better than he did in Estoril or in his earlier matches here. Nalbandian just came up with some great shots when he needed to.

yep:sad::sad:

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:48 PM
Nalbandian broke back
Roger should stop playing to Nalbandian backhand

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:48 PM
come on roger...
he's really sweating...he's soaked...

anon57
04-25-2008, 12:50 PM
yep:sad::sad:
It's unfortunate that Nalbandian has been playing better so far when Roger's playing better than he has earlier in the week. But at least there's improvement in Roger's play so that's a positive sign for me, it would be even better if Roger somehow manages to win the match but still.

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:50 PM
Next time Roger, "consolidate".
Look it up in the dictionary :)

Daniel
04-25-2008, 12:51 PM
Go Roger...

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:52 PM
2-2

Daniel
04-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Hold your serve now ....

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:53 PM
C'mon roger...n please watch the lines...

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:53 PM
roger at 25% first serves this set :o :help:

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:54 PM
roger at 25% first serves this set :o :help:

oh noooooooooooooooooo

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:55 PM
Nice little use of the dropshot :)

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 12:55 PM
GO ROGER

use the force ;)

Daniel
04-25-2008, 12:55 PM
Roger held serve 3-2 in second set now...
time to break now :bounce:

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:55 PM
come on roger...
he's really sweating...he's soaked...


He seems to be sweating more.. I wonder if it's the new shirt:confused:

different material or something???

just a thought.

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:56 PM
3-2

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:56 PM
same strategy playing to Federer backhand to the angles

gertie
04-25-2008, 12:57 PM
come on roger!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel
04-25-2008, 12:58 PM
15-30 on davids serve
go roger..

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 12:58 PM
Nalby missed the line.

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 12:58 PM
2bps!!

Daniel
04-25-2008, 12:59 PM
15-40 2 break points

didadida
04-25-2008, 12:59 PM
a breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
great point

Rogieva
04-25-2008, 01:00 PM
4-2 :d

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:00 PM
yessss!!!!!he broke!!!!!!!come on roger!!!hold serve please!!!!!!!

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 01:00 PM
but can he hold :lol:

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:00 PM
4-2 now.. Roger serving

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:01 PM
30-30 go rogerr

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:02 PM
oppsss 30-40 :eek:

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:02 PM
deuce

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 01:05 PM
GO ROGER

didadida
04-25-2008, 01:06 PM
5-2
c'mon Roger

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:06 PM
roger held serve. 5-2*

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 01:07 PM
Rog may be couting on the "MTF Poll Jinx" to pull him through to victory today :lol:

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:07 PM
yes come on!!!!!that game got me scared...roger grunting-i like it ;P

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:10 PM
nice dropshots :)

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Time For The Huge Break Babe

Go Roger

didadida
04-25-2008, 01:12 PM
Allezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2nd set 6-2

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 01:12 PM
Well that should be the second set :)

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:12 PM
yesss!!!come on ROGER!!!!!!!!1 set all...go roger!!!!!!!!!

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:12 PM
roger takes set 6-2

didadida
04-25-2008, 01:13 PM
only 8 ufs keep it up buddy

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:14 PM
Roger hold serve please!

:bounce: :bounce:

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 01:16 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

HE did it
6/2 awesome :worship:

GO ROGER

didadida
04-25-2008, 01:16 PM
1st serve disappeared

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:19 PM
Roger 1-0*. in third set.

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:19 PM
go roger!!! i love it when he's vocal...

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 01:19 PM
I like the little yell from Rog

Mrs. B
04-25-2008, 01:20 PM
Go, Roger!!! :bounce:

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 01:21 PM
love that he is pumped up now by ROARING like a lion ;)

GO ROGER

these tough matches is exactely what he needs to bring the
old Roger back :)

great prep for FO

didadida
04-25-2008, 01:22 PM
40 all c'mon Roger break now

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:24 PM
break roger break

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:25 PM
Roger 1*-1

Mrs. B
04-25-2008, 01:25 PM
HOPPPPPP!!!!!! :bounce:

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:29 PM
2-1 now...come on roger!!!!!!!!

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:29 PM
Roger 2-1*
break now!

raven gypsy
04-25-2008, 01:34 PM
unbelievable save from Rog.

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:34 PM
David held.
Roger serving 2-2

fedsfan1
04-25-2008, 01:34 PM
i am sooooo late for work :devil:

GO ROGER


please hurry ;)

neenah
04-25-2008, 01:35 PM
I just woke up to see this - I can't watch it! :lol: I'm too scared. Also I don't even know if there's a livestream...

Go Fed!! :D

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:35 PM
ace for roger 15-0

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:35 PM
40-0 now :)

neenah
04-25-2008, 01:38 PM
...to Deuce

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:39 PM
Federer 3-2*.
come on roger break him now.

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:40 PM
3-2 now...come on roger!!!!break...break...break!!!!

Mrs. B
04-25-2008, 01:40 PM
sweet dropshot! :banana:

mangoes
04-25-2008, 01:42 PM
Come on Roger:hug:

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:44 PM
1 bp come on roger!!

Daniel
04-25-2008, 01:45 PM
4-2 Roger :)

gertie
04-25-2008, 01:45 PM
and he breaks!!!!yay!please hold serve!

neenah
04-25-2008, 01:45 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: