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Roddick vs. Sjeng, sure thing or unsure?(Sjengster stick up for your boy!)

Fumus
06-29-2004, 05:15 PM
I saw Sjeng this morning on ESPN and he's really cool. He's witty, he has a good sense of humor, and he gives alot of credit to Andy. He doesn't sound like he even thinks he can win. They asked him what he needs to do to win and he said "Andy needs to play poorly" lol

So is this a sure thing or is there anything Sjeng can do to trouble Andy, besides hope for a Roddick implosion?

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-29-2004, 05:28 PM
Sjeng can be lackadaisical in his comments

well, needless to say, i hope he loses :)

BaselineSmash
06-29-2004, 05:40 PM
Schalken is a really cool, down to earth guy, but he doesn't stand a chance. I suggest that he simply faxes Roddick a walkover to save everyone the bother.

It's a shame how badly the Dutchman matches up against the "Kid", because he is oddly entertaining to watch despite the didactic nature of his stroke production. He was whipped in 79 minutes at the Australian Open, so on grass I'll give him about 100 minutes. :sad:

Port_Power
06-29-2004, 05:40 PM
As much as i hate to say this...roddick will roll in 3

Deboogle!.
06-29-2004, 05:42 PM
The problem for Sjeng is that the two things Andy has improved the best are his backhand and his return. So he can now attack Sjeng's serve better than he could, and he can stick with him in backhand rallies since Sjeng's is so good. But the worst thing is that he already sounds beaten. He sounds like Mardy Fish sounded before he played Roger in Halle - he's basically just trying to avoid being embarrassed. Poor guy, I like Sjeng a lot!

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-29-2004, 05:52 PM
I am sure Sjeng is a swell guy, but the constant public self-dismissing is just too much. It's not funny after a while. It's unattractive, I cant support that

TennisLurker
06-29-2004, 06:03 PM
I think schalken will get trashed.

CoriaFan4ever
06-29-2004, 06:10 PM
sure thing.

star
06-29-2004, 06:12 PM
Sjeng is a great guy. :hearts:

I still have this funny mental image of Andy standing on a mattress waiting to catch Sjeng. Sjeng is a big guy. :D

Snoopy_Girl
06-29-2004, 06:17 PM
I am sure Sjeng is a swell guy, but the constant public self-dismissing is just too much. It's not funny after a while. It's unattractive, I cant support that
He's not trying to be funny. He wants to win and if he think he has a chance, he'll say it out loud. He just won't shout it from the rooftops, cuz he likes to play from the underdog position. Sjeng is just a guy who seems to know exactly what he's capable of.. He always said that he can beat a lot of players, he can handle most players in the top 20 too, but there are always one or two guys, right now their names are Federer and Roddick, that he will just not win from (according to the man himself)... That's not self-dismissing, that's being realistic,...

Fumus
06-29-2004, 06:21 PM
I agree with Mrs.Guga and Bunk, which is sorta why I started this thread in the first place.(besides boosting my post count, lol).

Don't admit defeat until after you have lost! In the proud words of Sir Winston Churchill "Never give in! Never give in! Never, never, never. Never -- in anything great or small, large or petty -- never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense." (thought it fit, with it being in England and all)

Trust me Sjeng(if you are reading this) admitting defeat until being victorious doesn't work. When you look at the most famous upsets it because the guy who was the underdog said "I can do this", and it was everyone else that said "you have no chance". It's not good for tennis, and it's not good for you (Sjeng) to do that. You can't win with a lack of confidence.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-29-2004, 08:03 PM
Snoop, hello-- I am not saying he was trying to be funny. I felt that alot of people were interpreting what he is saying as cute or something. What I mean is, it sounds "cute" at first, then it's kinda-- pathetic, in honesty. I'll take your word that Sjeng is a guy who just speaks his mind 'cause I am not gonna pretend I know who he is. But personally, he sounds just pessimistic. That's why he sounded self-dismissive to me in a sport where anything can happen. There are some very honest players, like Federer. But it appears Sjeng's honesty is just too dark for me to handle

He's not trying to be funny. He wants to win and if he think he has a chance, he'll say it out loud. He just won't shout it from the rooftops, cuz he likes to play from the underdog position. Sjeng is just a guy who seems to know exactly what he's capable of.. He always said that he can beat a lot of players, he can handle most players in the top 20 too, but there are always one or two guys, right now their names are Federer and Roddick, that he will just not win from (according to the man himself)... That's not self-dismissing, that's being realistic,...

Fumus
06-29-2004, 09:14 PM
84.62% of MTF posters that participated in this pole think that it's yours to lose Andy. So think about that tomorrow....no pressure...no pressure...

Snoopy_Girl
06-29-2004, 09:36 PM
Snoop, hello-- I am not saying he was trying to be funny. I felt that alot of people were interpreting what he is saying as cute or something. What I mean is, it sounds "cute" at first, then it's kinda-- pathetic, in honesty. I'll take your word that Sjeng is a guy who just speaks his mind 'cause I am not gonna pretend I know who he is. But personally, he sounds just pessimistic. That's why he sounded self-dismissive to me in a sport where anything can happen. There are some very honest players, like Federer. But it appears Sjeng's honesty is just too dark for me to handle
Didn't mean to put words in your mouth that you didn't (mean to) say.. it was just that it came across a bit harsh.. like it was just an attitude by Sjeng, like he was saying he was gonna lose to justify his loss in advance... Just wanted to point out that (being dutch and all) I've seen numerous interviews with him.. and even though I don't know him in person, he seems to be honest when he says he really doesn't know how to beat Roddick. And Roddick and Federer really are the only ones he says this of.. when on top of his game, he can beat the rest of them. It's just either the enourmous serve or the all court play to perfection that causes him major problems... Well anyway.. if I missunderstood your previous post, sorry ;). Just wanted to stick up for my countryman, of who we all clearly know that he's gonna get his ass kicked tomorrow :(

MissPovaFan
06-29-2004, 09:56 PM
84.62% of MTF posters that participated in this pole think that it's yours to lose Andy. So think about that tomorrow....no pressure...no pressure...

and you can certainly count me in that category!

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-29-2004, 10:06 PM
Didn't mean to put words in your mouth that you didn't (mean to) say.. it was just that it came across a bit harsh.. I've seen numerous interviews with him.. and even though I don't know him in person, he seems to be honest when he says he really doesn't know how to beat Roddick... Well anyway.. if I missunderstood your previous post, sorry ;). Just wanted to stick up for my countryman, of who we all clearly know that he's gonna get his ass kicked tomorrow :(


Snoopy, sorry for what!?? You are the sweetest--you welcome me to Sluiter's forum and you have a love Van Nistelrooy as well. I know you are a true Dutch! I know you just wanted to enlighten me

Well, sorry for being too hard on Sjeng. I know you just wanted me to know he is someone who doesn't hold back and now I know that about him now because of you.

And that is okay--if he is realistic like that, and really open, but I like to see that everyone has a good balance of hope as well

WyveN
06-30-2004, 01:05 AM
Andy will have to play very badly for Schalken to even win a set

J. Corwin
06-30-2004, 05:21 AM
I hope Sjeng puts up a decent showing cuz I like him a lot. I might even find myself cheering for him a little bit. ;)

Zetlandsk
06-30-2004, 05:34 AM
I would like to see Sjeng win, but this will be another 3 setter for Roddick.

RoddickBabe10
06-30-2004, 06:03 AM
As much as I like Sjeng, it's for sure that Roddick will have a three-setter tomorrow

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 08:04 AM
Snoopy, sorry for what!?? You are the sweetest--you welcome me to Sluiter's forum and you have a love Van Nistelrooy as well. I know you are a true Dutch! I know you just wanted to enlighten me

Well, sorry for being too hard on Sjeng. I know you just wanted me to know he is someone who doesn't hold back and now I know that about him now because of you.

And that is okay--if he is realistic like that, and really open, but I like to see that everyone has a good balance of hope as well
Wasn't offended or anything ;).. Sjeng just likes to play from the underdog position. I would like to hear him say for once like "I'm gonna beat him easily" when he plays world number 200 or something, but he won't. Even dutch ex players like Richard Krajicek, Paul Haarhuis, Jacco Eltingh and Jan Siemerink said that to him, that he should be more of a killer.. guess he just really isn't...
Where is Sjengster btw? ;) at Wimby or something? :p

bovenbuuf
06-30-2004, 10:00 AM
yes it will be very very hard, this morning Sjeng told that he thinks he has a change if he can make returns at the serve of Roddick, he still thinks he has a change when its going to be a long rally, but well Sjeng knows what he is capable off, Sjeng knows that he has to serve very well, like he did against Enqvist and Spadea, if his serve is not good today, well then it is over very quick and if Andy's serve is to good today, and there are less rallies, then it will also be a fast loss.

Space Cowgirl
06-30-2004, 11:43 AM
Just wanted to stick up for my countryman, of who we all clearly know that he's gonna get his ass kicked tomorrow :(

I hope Schalken puts up a good fight. Who knows, if Roddick's first serve isn't happening, he may have a ghost of a chance.
Straying a bit o/t, how do you think the Oranjes are going to do against Portugal tonight?

Aleksa's Laydee
06-30-2004, 12:06 PM
come on sjeng..straight sets victory please ;)

Neely
06-30-2004, 12:12 PM
I expect Schalken to get defeated today in three sets, I'm expecting a similiar result like against Popp. Okay, maybe Schalken can get it to one tiebreak.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 12:46 PM
The difference is that Sjeng's serve is way more attackable than Popp's. If Andy can't return Sjeng's serve well enough to break once a set, then :smash: :retard: Plus there's just the fact of confidence and the knowledge that Andy has that he knows he can beat him, whereas Popp was the fear of the unknown type of thing.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:43 PM
Schalken is playing a perfect set of tennis in the first set (as well as he can), it would be a shame if he doesn't grab the first set as someone playing so well deserves it

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:49 PM
Poor Schalken, could not have possibly played better. Will probably fall apart now.

star
06-30-2004, 02:53 PM
ahhhhh. Once again the better player and the more deserving player lost the set.

:lol:

Anyway, I like Sjeng. He's a great guy and a very canny player. Andy will have to stay focused throughout the match. I don't see Sjeng falling apart. He's made of sterner stuff than that. I would like to see Andy play a bit better though.

Fumus
06-30-2004, 02:58 PM
Unsure soo far but, Andy but will clean up real nice in the second and will ride in victory's golden coupe and Sjeng will return to failures beatup hooptie

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:59 PM
ahhhhh. Once again the better player and the more deserving player lost the set.

:lol:


Brilliant comments by the MTF clown.

Schalken served 88% and *won* 87% on first serve. I don't care who you are and who you are versing but when you play so much above yourself it is a shame your not rewarded with the set.

akin
06-30-2004, 03:02 PM
Schalken is playing a perfect set of tennis in the first set (as well as he can), it would be a shame if he doesn't grab the first set as someone playing so well deserves it


Is not a matter of deserving it...it is a matter of EXECUTING IT :devil:

Havok
06-30-2004, 03:04 PM
to be rewarded a set, you gotta win it. who cares if the player was playing lights out or playing like ass, they lost it :retard: anyways Sjeng is putting up a much bigger fight than I thought he would have, good to see:)

akin
06-30-2004, 03:06 PM
Brilliant comments by the MTF clown.

Schalken served 88% and *won* 87% on first serve. I don't care who you are and who you are versing but when you play so much above yourself it is a shame your not rewarded with the set.

First set: Roddick won 40 points and Schulkitsken 36. :wavey:

Fairness......isn't this sport cruel? :devil:

WyveN
06-30-2004, 03:09 PM
First set: Roddick won 40 points and Schulkitsken 36. :wavey:

Fairness......isn't this sport cruel? :devil:

Hello stupid. I was pointing out that Schalken has been virtually playing the match of his life while Roddick has been flat and it is a shame Sjeng didnt get rewarded with the set but I suppose it shows how much the gap is between them.

Fumus
06-30-2004, 03:15 PM
yea good point Wyven, but Andy better not be flat against Ancic otherwise he will be flattened...

Auscon
06-30-2004, 03:24 PM
All these bloody tiebreakers for Roddick, someones gotta win one against him eventually

and it had better be tonight (today)....

akin
06-30-2004, 03:30 PM
Hello stupid. I was pointing out that Schalken has been virtually playing the match of his life while Roddick has been flat and it is a shame Sjeng didnt get rewarded with the set but I suppose it shows how much the gap is between them.

Hello my dear gentleman!! - I could find that insulting but i dont think there is class in your blood!! :) :) Anyway poor thing - dont cry yet, the rain might save your soul and clean your tongue but for that we would need a few days of straight rain :devil:

Auscon
06-30-2004, 03:33 PM
play suspended :(

Fumus
06-30-2004, 03:34 PM
actually Auscon, Andy started playing his best tennis at 3-4, after that on his serve games Sjeng didn't even get a ball back into play. Oh yea and Sjengs service games got deuced up everytime. Infact I would think Andy was going to break in that last service game where Andy deuced him up but, play has been suspended.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 03:37 PM
Good job playing like ass Andy. If you pull this match out, get ready to lose to Ancic.

Tennis Fool
06-30-2004, 03:48 PM
Well, I thought this would be the steamroll.

Play was suspended at 7/5 5/5. Is it raining again :confused:

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 03:56 PM
I hope Schalken puts up a good fight. Who knows, if Roddick's first serve isn't happening, he may have a ghost of a chance.
Straying a bit o/t, how do you think the Oranjes are going to do against Portugal tonight? Let's just say I think Holland's gonna lose twice today... :(

And yes it was raining again.. players are coming back on court right now. Hope Sjeng can hang on in a second set tiebreak (IF he manages to get there).. if only he can take a set, then that might get Andy to overthink the game :)

Havok
06-30-2004, 03:56 PM
Yeah, but they're warming up now. Just the fact that Andy hasn't broken Sjeng's serve is :haha:

¿esquímaux?
06-30-2004, 03:58 PM
Ahhh, so now I finally get to see this tow-up service motion of Schalkens :lol:

PinkFeatherBoa
06-30-2004, 04:01 PM
C'mon Andy, lets hope he'll come out stronger after the break.

¿esquímaux?
06-30-2004, 04:01 PM
Ahhh, so now I finally get to see this tow-up service motion of Schalkens :lol:

D'oh! Play suspended :retard:

Tennis Fool
06-30-2004, 04:22 PM
Sjeng squanders 2 set points and the Lucky Duck goes up 2 sets to love.

Roddick must have a tremendous tiebreak record.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-30-2004, 04:31 PM
I think he only squandered one of those because Andy had a mini-break back on a set point on Sjeng's serve... the other set point(s?), he didn't really have that much authority to squander b/c they were on Andy's serve--dont think Andy was THAT lucky, but, he definitely got a big break! WHEW!

yeah, his tiebreak record is crazy--i mean, he really has an angel above him or something

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 04:37 PM
yeah, his tiebreak record is crazy--i mean, he really has an angel above him or something
That angel has a name.. I would call it "ridiculously fast second serves" on setpoint/break point down ;) . Gotta give him credit for keeping it together.. even though I hate it that Sjeng is closer than ever to making Andy actually sweat and still so far away...

tangerine_dream
06-30-2004, 04:57 PM
Roddick must have a tremendous tiebreak record.

He does. He leads the ATP tour in number of TBs won.

MagoRG
06-30-2004, 05:06 PM
I think Roddick plays more TB than anyone esle.......WHY???
With that HUGE serve...does it mean that he is a crappy returner? :devil:

Neely
06-30-2004, 05:17 PM
The difference is that Sjeng's serve is way more attackable than Popp's. If Andy can't return Sjeng's serve well enough to break once a set, then :smash: :retard: Plus there's just the fact of confidence and the knowledge that Andy has that he knows he can beat him, whereas Popp was the fear of the unknown type of thing.

okay, I know it is a bit unfair now to reply to this post as we already know that Schalken keeps it very very close, much closer than Popp ever could in his match, but the main difference compared to Popp why Schalken hangs in "more" than Popp is that Schalken's baseline play is much better and more solid than Popp's.

That's why Roddick couldn't break Schalken yet, but was able to break Popp several times.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 05:17 PM
today's TBs give him 23-5 IIRC

And yes his returning is inconsistent at best. He returned Dent well and he returned Popp decently but today he's obviously sucking EVERYWHERE not just returns. He's had about 15 forehand UEs... that's really uncharacteristic.

Ancic must be somewhere loving this.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 05:21 PM
Neely, we know Sjeng is really solid from the baseline, that's not the issue. If you look at the point-by-point on the Wimby site you'll see that Andy's made a ton of "return forced errors" - that means service winners from Sjeng. There's no excuse for that. If the stats are any indication, Andy's playing almost as badly as he's capable of! He's had great stats all tournament in the winners/errors department and today's he's actually negative. That means he's playing a lot worse than he was playing the other matches, and he wasn't playing all that well in those matches either!

Neely
06-30-2004, 05:22 PM
With that HUGE serve...does it mean that he is a crappy returner? :devil:
lol... well, I think Andy is certainly not the best returner, I would say only average (I would rate lots of players a better return player than him, especially after seeing what he showed in Wimbledon so far), but at the end Andy's return game is good enough to get in most cases at least one mini-break more than the huge majority of all his opponents, or how else does he win all these tiebreaks :cool:

MagoRG
06-30-2004, 05:27 PM
today's TBs give him 23-5 IIRC

And yes his returning is inconsistent at best. He returned Dent well and he returned Popp decently but today he's obviously sucking EVERYWHERE not just returns. He's had about 15 forehand UEs... that's really uncharacteristic.

Ancic must be somewhere loving this.

Actually I cant see Roddick losing to Ancic. Henman would have given him more trouble.

MagoRG
06-30-2004, 05:32 PM
lol... well, I think Andy is certainly not the best returner, I would say only average (I would rate lots of players a better return player than him, especially after seeing what he showed in Wimbledon so far), but at the end Andy's return game is good enough to get in most cases at least one mini-break more than the huge majority of all his opponents, or how else does he win all these tiebreaks :cool:
I think that his HUGE serve gives him enough confidence to take risks when he is returning. So if he hits 3 of 4 lausy shots and 1 winner...during a TB that´s all he need. (just my opinion) :)

Neely
06-30-2004, 05:45 PM
Actually I cant see Roddick losing to Ancic. Henman would have given him more trouble.
he should take Ancic very seriously, Ancic was the only one who could take a set off Roddick on his way to his Queen's title some weeks ago.
Ancic should be sky high on confidence now...

Snoopy_Girl
06-30-2004, 06:07 PM
And that was bye bye Sjeng :wavey: too bad he killed a few of his only chances to break Andy :(

MagoRG
06-30-2004, 06:54 PM
he should take Ancic very seriously, Ancic was the only one who could take a set off Roddick on his way to his Queen's title some weeks ago.
Ancic should be sky high on confidence now...

Yes he won a set against Roddick but he also lost to Coria at Rosmalen...of course he could...but I just can´t see him beating Roddick
BTW...I will be cheering for Ancic

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 08:00 PM
Neely I am POSITIVE that Andy will take Ancic seriously, especially after having trouble with him at Queens, plus he knows anyway that his type of gamestyle bothers Andy anyway. I really think Ancic could win.

J. Corwin
06-30-2004, 09:27 PM
Andy will only win if he plays better than an asshat like he did today. HELLO, stop stinking up the courts you moron.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 09:55 PM
He really didn't play like an asshat. Sjeng really hit spots with his serve, especially out wide, and his groundies were spot on, very few mistakes. He didnt play great, but he didn't play as badly as the stats suggested IMO

star
06-30-2004, 10:37 PM
I think Roddick plays more TB than anyone esle.......WHY???
With that HUGE serve...does it mean that he is a crappy returner? :devil:

I thought someone looked this up some time ago and found that the vast majority of sets won by Roddick were not tiebreak sets.

Deboogle!.
06-30-2004, 11:19 PM
He's played a lot at Queens and Wimby though. His returning in both tournaments.... not so stellar. He just happens to have won them all. All 9 I believe :)

Sjengster
07-01-2004, 12:24 AM
As regards my whereabouts, I've been without internet access for a couple of days so have been unable to post. It was good to see Schalken put up a fight today, he surprised many here and he certainly surprised me after the last drubbing in Australia, even if a lot of his service holds were down to Roddick's impatience in the rallies. I would say that you can't just blame it on poor returning from Roddick, since Schalken's serve is at its most effective on grass - with his height he gets some good angles and the ball really skids through the court and is difficult to return at times.

I can't be too disappointed at the setpoints squandered, since he didn't have a hope against Roddick's serve and the only one on his own serve was easily snuffed out after a couple of big forehands from Roddick - just a pity that in the first game of the final set, he had one breakpoint and missed a backhand down the line when he'd gotten into the rally. It's safe to say that while Schalken has a poor record against a lot of top players, he's beaten all of them at least once because he can get into rallies with them, but notably he never beat Sampras and he's now 1-5 against Federer and Roddick, they simply have too much service power. I'm still convinced, however, that for all Roddick's big serving and big forehand, Schalken has a nicer-looking backhand than he will ever have, so there. ;)

BaselineSmash
07-02-2004, 05:18 PM
I agree with this summary.