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Hewitt defeats Moya 6-4 6-2 4-6 7-6(5)

silverwhite
06-28-2004, 05:26 PM
Well done, Lleyton! Now, about the QF against Federer...

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-28-2004, 05:31 PM
Haha, he is jumping for joy for beating Moya who really picked it up in the last 2 sets. That celebration for defeating Moya is so funny because then he should be saying, Oh shiiiiiit.

Well, best wishes for Lleyton. I will pray for him... I hope he can do well, if he wins, I would be soooooooo proud of him. But as long as Florian or Grosjean isnt in the final, than its all good

YoursTruly
06-28-2004, 08:23 PM
I'm a bit disappointed that Carlos lost, but he was totally in that match. It could have gone either way. Carlos knew what to do, but it's sometimes hard to keep up a high level all the time. I'm so sure that next time if these two have to play against each other on grass, Carlos will win. Good job! :)

Neely
06-28-2004, 08:56 PM
Congrats Hewitt!!!
Come on!!!!!! :woohoo:

but I like Carlos also very much, he played IMO a good match, just not enough to overcome Lleyton on grass if Lleyton is playing like he did today. :sad:

zoltan83
06-28-2004, 09:43 PM
Congrats Hewitt :worship: Very good match.

Next Federer. Probably a beautiful match (with the victory of Hewitt).
Federer will have to pay attention.
It will be a tough match.

Crazy_Fool
06-28-2004, 09:56 PM
Congrats to Lleyton, he played very well. I doubt he will beat Federer, but I'm happy with his progress.

I was also happy for Carlos to play well, I hope he plays here in the future, he is pretty decent on grass.

CarnivalCarnage
06-28-2004, 10:14 PM
Giant AHAHAHAHAHA to those who were arguing with me about Moya's chances. Yeah, guess he was off today, hey Wyven?

akin
06-28-2004, 10:19 PM
Go Lleyton Go!! :yeah:

Port_Power
06-28-2004, 10:21 PM
Hewitt will always start as favourite against moya on grass. Moya played well really well..but damn.. hewitt needs to work out a strategy for backhand slices cause roger will be slicing a LOT more, and lleyton has a habit of dumping the ball in the net to a sliced backhand. Moya looked horrible with the slices, but roger will do it a lot. Lleyton is one of the few players who has a winning record against most of the top 10 guys, so thats not a surprised that he beat moya.

Tennis Fool
06-28-2004, 10:27 PM
Lleyton had a losing record to Moya. They are now tied :)

akin
06-28-2004, 10:28 PM
Moya is becoming the chocker king :)

Port_Power
06-28-2004, 10:30 PM
Nope, choker king tag goes to tiger tim

Crazy_Fool
06-28-2004, 10:35 PM
Nalbandian is not too smart either.

Giant AHAHAHAHAHA to those who were arguing with me about Moya's chances. Yeah, guess he was off today, hey Wyven?
Moya played very well in the 3rd and 4th sets, and if he played like that from the start he would have had a chance. I'm a big Lleyton fan, but I always thought Moya had chances to win this match if he played at his best. I guess Wyven did too.

Port_Power
06-28-2004, 10:40 PM
Moya will always make errors cause he goes for a lot more than hewitt. And hewitts defense is second to none. So all said and done, lleyton won and he deserved it.

CarnivalCarnage
06-28-2004, 10:51 PM
Nalbandian is not too smart either.


Moya played very well in the 3rd and 4th sets, and if he played like that from the start he would have had a chance. I'm a big Lleyton fan, but I always thought Moya had chances to win this match if he played at his best. I guess Wyven did too.

Well of course he had a chance to win if he played his best. You could say that about anybody in the top 50 versus anybody in the top 50.

The point is, he didn't win, and should not have been the favorite.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-29-2004, 03:35 AM
um, how does today's match have any relevance in confirming Moya as a choker?

Moya is becoming the chocker king :)

WyveN
06-29-2004, 03:55 AM
Giant AHAHAHAHAHA to those who were arguing with me about Moya's chances. Yeah, guess he was off today, hey Wyven?

Moya's strategy for beating Hewitt has always been to hit him of the court, I don't know what he was thinking when he came up with tactics of using slices, as on this court Hewitt doesn't have as much problems generating pace and Moya looked far more effective when he took a full swing at the backhand.

For the first 2 sets Moya decided to wait for Hewitt mistakes rather then try to take control of points and that was suicide.

It's like he was trying to be Steffi Graf out there: hitting slices to get high or short balls to smackdown with the forehand, but Hewitt was above that type of game.

Lisbeth
06-29-2004, 04:40 AM
Considering that he came back from 2 sets down to win the third, and then from a break down to take the 4th to tiebreak, "choker" is not the word I would have used! Moya actually played better as the match went on from what I could see, through my admittedly extremely tired eyes ;) , but it was too late and not quite enough.

Tennis Fool
06-29-2004, 04:47 AM
I thought he lost mostly because he couldn't deal with the low balls and kept smacking them into the net.

CmonAussie
06-29-2004, 05:49 AM
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Lleyton outplayed Moya by mixing it up well-->> despite several unforseen unforced errors by Hewitt he still managed to high ratio of winners & put Moya's serve under pressure much more than vice versa!

Carlos gets credit for his wins over Rocky Llegs in the H2H Clay matches; so finally the tables were turned when Hewitt got to play Moya on Grass~~ just accept that Lleyton was a class above^*^ on this surface!!!

BTW~ Anyone think Lleyton's been a tad unlucky with his recent Slam Draws??!!
...
USO 03{QF} = loses to eventual Finalist Ferrero
AO 04{Rd4} = loses to eventual Champion Federer
FO 04{QF} = loses to eventual Champion Gaudio
Wimbledon 04{QF+} = beats Ivanisavic, Moya then faces defending Champion Federer

Also his most recent APT tournaments{Hamburg-TMS & Queens}^ Lleyton lost to eventual Champions Federer & Roddick in both SF's respectively!!!

WyveN
06-29-2004, 05:52 AM
BTW~ Anyone think Lleyton's been a tad unlucky with his recent Slam Draws??!!


I don't know what is so unlucky about having to face top players in QF/SF stages, thats the way tennis should be

Lalitha
06-29-2004, 06:07 AM
For the first 2 sets Moya decided to wait for Hewitt mistakes rather then try to take control of points and that was suicide.

It's like he was trying to be Steffi Graf out there: hitting slices to get high or short balls to smackdown with the forehand, but Hewitt was above that type of game.

Correct. Moya was a bit defensive in the first set as well. Against a player like Hewitt, one should not be playing like that.

Lisbeth
06-29-2004, 06:41 AM
Hewitt has managed to draw the eventual winner at the first two slams (a good luck charm?) and the red hot favourite at this one, so certainly he has had harder draws than some. However, I agree that if a player reaches the last 8 he must expect, and be ready, to play top players.

Bee
06-29-2004, 07:30 AM
Que lastima, Carlos lost. I will get over it, and so will Carlos. Moya was not disgraced, he almost got into a 5th set, and I think he could have won the match if this had happened. (I think Newk was worried for Lleyton if it HAD gone to 5 sets too!) I felt sorry for Moya after working hard to get to the tie-break and then playing such an awful tie-break :(
BUt Carlos can be proud of his Wimbledon effort this year ... better than many expected, etc. He will be back. Hasta la vista!
Just a couple of quotes from Aussie newspaper, the Sydney Morning Herald, below, which gives praise to both players. A match worth watching anyway ...

"Hewitt's progress on Monday came despite hitting fewer winners and more unforced errors than his more powerful opponent."

"This was Hewitt's toughest and longest match, and easily his best opponent, and the third set was the first he has dropped all tournament."

Good tennis should rule, no matter what the end result ...

Crazy_Fool
06-29-2004, 11:18 AM
Well of course he had a chance to win if he played his best. You could say that about anybody in the top 50 versus anybody in the top 50.

The point is, he didn't win, and should not have been the favorite.
No-one said anything about being the favourite, but why start slaming someone for saying Moya can win. I mean its not as if you have predicted correctly the result of every match so far.

I think Moya is slightly better than 'anyone in the top 50'.

CarnivalCarnage
06-29-2004, 12:02 PM
No-one said anything about being the favourite, but why start slaming someone for saying Moya can win. I mean its not as if you have predicted correctly the result of every match so far.

I think Moya is slightly better than 'anyone in the top 50'.

I shall be charitable and assume you didn't read the posts I was referring to.

star
06-29-2004, 12:08 PM
I didn't get to see the whole match, but listened to most of it on the radio, and then later saw the last two sets.

I really enjoyed the match. So far I would put it at the top two for excitement and drama.

It was good to see Moya fighting hard on grass. :hatoff:

WyveN
06-29-2004, 01:00 PM
I shall be charitable and assume you didn't read the posts I was referring to.

The one where you said you would be amazed if Hewitt lost? :rolleyes:
Ill tell you what, the match was pretty close, particularly when Moya started going for his shots in 3rd and 4th set.

WyveN
06-29-2004, 01:01 PM
Giant AHAHAHAHAHA to those who were arguing with me about Moya's chances. Yeah, guess he was off today, hey Wyven?

Wow congratulations genius, I am impressed!!!

Forgive me for saying Moya had a decent chance of victory, I was way of as Hewitt won 6-2 6-1 6-2 :rolleyes:

oxy
06-29-2004, 03:22 PM
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Lleyton outplayed Moya by mixing it up well-->> despite several unforseen unforced errors by Hewitt he still managed to high ratio of winners & put Moya's serve under pressure much more than vice versa!

Carlos gets credit for his wins over Rocky Llegs in the H2H Clay matches; so finally the tables were turned when Hewitt got to play Moya on Grass~~ just accept that Lleyton was a class above^*^ on this surface!!!

BTW~ Anyone think Lleyton's been a tad unlucky with his recent Slam Draws??!!
...
USO 03{QF} = loses to eventual Finalist Ferrero
AO 04{Rd4} = loses to eventual Champion Federer
FO 04{QF} = loses to eventual Champion Gaudio
Wimbledon 04{QF+} = beats Ivanisavic, Moya then faces defending Champion Federer

Also his most recent APT tournaments{Hamburg-TMS & Queens}^ Lleyton lost to eventual Champions Federer & Roddick in both SF's respectively!!!

he has his lucky days too....remember many of his opponents retiring against him in the beginning of the year

Port_Power
06-29-2004, 04:36 PM
Lucky? yeah moya retired against him, so did verkerk, but those matches were not lost if they didnt retire. Hewitt was up a set when verkerk retired and no way you can say moya would have beaten hewitt if he didnt retire,..sorry mate

RogiFan88
06-29-2004, 04:43 PM
barely saw the match exc for parts of the 3rd and 4th sets but Carlos did not choke; he simply wasn't playing his best tennis

also, he's hardly played on grass at all and did extremely well to beat Flip at DC in Melbourne on grass

maybe next yr he'll take Wimby more seriously -- hope he does!

too bad he couldn't push it to 5 sets tho... he really played a BAD TB

Tennis Fool
06-29-2004, 06:23 PM
RogiFan,

I think Moya was taking Wimbledon more seriously than he admits. He rented a house instead of staying in a hotel...

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 12:22 AM
Wow congratulations genius, I am impressed!!!

Forgive me for saying Moya had a decent chance of victory, I was way of as Hewitt won 6-2 6-1 6-2 :rolleyes:

You said Moya would have to be off for Hewitt to win. That was ridiculous. Maybe Moya can win Umag, leave the big stuff for others.

And lol at you quoting that post twice and writing two different responses!!! Got to you, eh?

WyveN
06-30-2004, 12:39 AM
You said Moya would have to be off for Hewitt to win.


And Moya was off, for the first 2 sets anyway.


That was ridiculous. Maybe Moya can win Umag, leave the big stuff for others.


Moya is a big underachiever at slams but is not through lack of talent


And lol at you quoting that post twice and writing two different responses!!! Got to you, eh?

I quoted two different posts. Stupidity gets to me.
But seeing as you saw the need to brag about Hewitt's victory I must have got to you, no?

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 01:07 AM
And Moya was off, for the first 2 sets anyway.



Moya is a big underachiever at slams but is not through lack of talent



I quoted two different posts. Stupidity gets to me.
But seeing as you saw the need to brag about Hewitt's victory I must have got to you, no?

I just wanted to put you in your place.

Now go back and look, boy. You quoted the same post of mine TWICE and wrote TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSES. Hilarious.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 01:07 AM
Wow congratulations genius, I am impressed!!!

Forgive me for saying Moya had a decent chance of victory, I was way of as Hewitt won 6-2 6-1 6-2 :rolleyes:

Here.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 01:08 AM
Moya's strategy for beating Hewitt has always been to hit him of the court, I don't know what he was thinking when he came up with tactics of using slices, as on this court Hewitt doesn't have as much problems generating pace and Moya looked far more effective when he took a full swing at the backhand.

For the first 2 sets Moya decided to wait for Hewitt mistakes rather then try to take control of points and that was suicide.

It's like he was trying to be Steffi Graf out there: hitting slices to get high or short balls to smackdown with the forehand, but Hewitt was above that type of game.

AND HERE.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 01:15 AM
I just wanted to put you in your place.

You need to do better then that.

Now go back and look, boy. You quoted the same post of mine TWICE and wrote TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSES. Hilarious.

Get amused by small things eh?

The first was my perspective of the match and had nothing to do with your post, the second was to point out your stupidity when you claimed "I shall be charitable and assume you didn't read the posts I was referring to."

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 02:06 AM
You need to do better then that.


Get amused by small things eh?

The first was my perspective of the match and had nothing to do with your post, the second was to point out your stupidity when you claimed "I shall be charitable and assume you didn't read the posts I was referring to."

THAN! THAN!!!!!

Nothing you wrote makes any sense. Consigned to the idiot bin, you are.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:21 AM
You didn't have a better responce to my posts then "laughing" at how I made 2 replies to the same post.
And well done with the bad rep :lol:

Fedex
06-30-2004, 02:27 AM
He bad repped me. Tell me, Wyven what is a 'cockbrain' as that is what he posted as my bad rep :lol: :haha:

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 02:30 AM
You didn't have a better responce to my posts then "laughing" at how I made 2 replies to the same post.
And well done with the bad rep :lol:

Response. God. Idiot bin.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 02:31 AM
He bad repped me. Tell me, Wyven what is a 'cockbrain' as that is what he posted as my bad rep :lol: :haha:

Wyven actually got a WAY BETTER bad rep.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:36 AM
Response. God. Idiot bin.

:haha: Have to love the spelling police.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 02:44 AM
:haha: Have to love the spelling police.

It's the only thing about your posts worth correcting. You don't get anything else so why bother?

WyveN
06-30-2004, 02:48 AM
It's the only thing about your posts worth correcting.

It's the only thing you are able to correct in my posts, you and I both know that. I love it when someone gets desperate and decides to become spelling police.
Now bye bye.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 02:51 AM
It's the only thing you are able to correct in my posts, you and I both know that. I love it when someone gets desperate and decides to become spelling police.
Now bye bye.

LOL. You were wrong about the match, you unleashed a flurry of posts that made no sense, and I'm wrong about what precisely?

CONSIGNED.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 03:00 AM
LOL. You were wrong about the match, you unleashed a flurry of posts that made no sense, and I'm wrong about what precisely?

CONSIGNED.

You acted as if Moya had no chance prior to the match no matter how well he played, as the scoreline proves Moya certainly had a chance in the match and if he won that tiebreak then who knows what would happen.

Even CrazyFool, a big Hewitt fan, realised you were wrong.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 03:03 AM
You acted as if Moya had no chance prior to the match no matter how well he played, as the scoreline proves Moya certainly had a chance in the match and if he won that tiebreak then who knows what would happen.

Even CrazyFool, a big Hewitt fan, realised you were wrong.

LOL. You made that up! You absolutely completely invented that!!!! SHOW ME THE POST WHERE I SAID MOYA HAD NO CHANCE.

WyveN
06-30-2004, 03:19 AM
I said "You acted as if Moya had no chance".

You said you would be amazed if Moya won and then you said Hewitt doesn't need to rely on bad play from Moya hence you would be amazed if Moya won even if Moya played his very best tennis.

All I said on the subject was "If Carlos plays poorly, if he plays like he did in Australia he has a very good chance." yet you still saw the need to laugh in this thread about my prediction.

Anyway this is boring.

CarnivalCarnage
06-30-2004, 07:56 AM
You are insinuating things I did not say. I never said he didn't have a chance. If you want to read things into that that I didn't say, what can I do?