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WTF is wrong with Fed?

JediFed
03-23-2008, 07:18 AM
Just caught the Fed match, at least the end of it with Fish.

No drive. Tired. No passion, no fight.

Does Federer need to take a year off to discover his passion again for Tennis?

I don't know what kind of shit that he was trying to play against Fish. This was way worse then against Djokovic at the AO. There, he fought back and didn't give an inch to Djokovic. Never gave up. I saw a sad and tired man out there.

Rommella
03-23-2008, 07:51 AM
Perhaps, an effort at rationalization on my part, but this entry from one of the resident contributing writers at tennis.com (in response to a Djokovic fan) eased things a bit --

Andrew: There's a short term and a longer term answer to your question, how can you explain what happened today? Short term, Fish played pretty well apart from his first serve percentage - his second serve had lots of kick, and he did vary the placement. And Federer, for whatever reason, just wasn't timing the ball well today. One guy played well, one poorly: that was as close to a C game as I've seen Federer have, and if Fish brought an A game to the dance, he went home a winner.

I don't think Federer fears any player - not Djokovic, Nadal, Murray or Nalbandian. I think he acknowledges that in any match, he can walk off having given best to an opponent. Today Mardy Fish was that opponent. He played well.

Longer term, is this part of a bigger pattern. I think the answer is the Scottish term "not proven." My guess is Federer won't enjoy another two years like 2005 and 2006 - but that is an impossible standard. For the next three months, all the way to RG, Federer is in recovery mode from a serious illness.

It's not a recovery from two months on his back, but it has knocked out the fitness that was one of the ingredients of semi-invincibility. He's mature enough not to worry about the headlines, and he'll play himself back to his peak level. No match with Djokovic tomorrow, which is a pity. Many more to come, I hope.

JediFed
03-23-2008, 07:57 AM
It's not so much the loss but how he lost that bothers me the most. He didn't seem to want to be out there today. No fire at all.

Now I didn't watch the first set, but what I've read from the first set matches up with what I saw in the second.

Yes, Fish played well there, but that was an atrocious match played by Federer. I don't see what the reporter is saying that it was a C game. Seemed more to me like and F.

BlueSwan
03-23-2008, 08:20 AM
I agree JediFed. Mardy Fish is the kind of player that Federer NEVER loses to. And if he were to lose, you'd expect it to be in a couple of tiebreakers, surely not 6-2 6-3. I'm getting quite concerned now.

soraya
03-23-2008, 08:28 AM
It's not so much the loss but how he lost that bothers me the most. He didn't seem to want to be out there today. No fire at all.

Now I didn't watch the first set, but what I've read from the first set matches up with what I saw in the second.

Yes, Fish played well there, but that was an atrocious match played by Federer. I don't see what the reporter is saying that it was a C game. Seemed more to me like and F.
it reminded me to the one he lost to Murray in Cincy 06...same attitude, it is obvious there is something wrong.

BlueSwan
03-23-2008, 09:48 AM
it reminded me to the one he lost to Murray in Cincy 06...same attitude, it is obvious there is something wrong.

Yeah, but the major difference is that the Murray loss looked like a tank job and he really didn't need the points. This time around he had something to prove and he failed to do so.

SUKTUEN
03-23-2008, 10:40 AM
I also want to know, what's wrong of him~~

^Sue^
03-23-2008, 11:57 AM
I have always support him ever since 2002. Now, he is not the Federer's play that i've used to watch. He played badly and poorly this year; no energy, no tactics, no motivation, no improvement, no good serve, no determination, no good return, no great winner, no smooth forehand and backhand, no good volley...... Roger, i hope you can regain your gameplan as the World No.1 that i respect. C'mon!!! :)

playhard
03-23-2008, 12:26 PM
tomorrow, Betfair announces that it declines all bets against Fish in that match.

Federer will be under investigation... until he retires (expected after 2012 Olympics)

Or Levy
03-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Something got Roger out of sync, and it is something, apperantly - he would not reveal in an interview.

Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.

^Sue^
03-23-2008, 12:43 PM
tomorrow, Betfair announces that it declines all bets against Fish in that match.

Federer will be under investigation... until he retires (expected after 2012 Olympics)

Is this true???:rolleyes:

hilluis
03-23-2008, 12:45 PM
Agree.Camera never showed Mirka in the crowd either. Poor Rog, it is so disappointing to see him like this. Perhaps it is just the lingering effects or glandular fever which can take many months to disappear.

glycina
03-23-2008, 01:43 PM
I read in the japanese blog that Roger is suffering from
the same illness as Henin 2004.

SUKTUEN
03-23-2008, 04:27 PM
Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

why you said that?

BlueSwan
03-23-2008, 08:45 PM
After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.
I agree. He didnt say anything to clue us in in his press conference, but something isn't quite right.

Sunset of Age
03-23-2008, 09:31 PM
I agree. He didnt say anything to clue us in in his press conference, but something isn't quite right.

Well... I don't know. He looked perfectly fine during his previous matches, so if there is something severely wrong, it must have been something very shortly overdue - mono suddenly back in full-force? :shrug:

I rather tend to believe he just had an off-day against a guy playing very well indeed. It's not like Fish came 'out of the blue' - he already showed great form in his matches against Hewitt, Nalby and Denko. Check my posts in the 'WWW Fish vs. Fed'- thread: in contrary to most posters, I noted that Fed should be very careful. In that sense I guess his defeat wasn't as much as a surprise to me as it was to many others.

FedFan_2007
03-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Buzza - when's the last time Fed got beaten down so badly? -3 net breaks for the match. When's the last time that happened to him, 2003? And Rafa got an even worse beatdown by Nole. :sad:

Buzza - he had poor groundstrokes, poor 1st serve %, poor ROS. One thing that was good was his movement and defense. That should never slump, so I'm encouraged there. In fact one point he played really amazing defense but lost the point because Fish painted the baseline.

Sunset of Age
03-23-2008, 09:47 PM
Buzza - when's the last time Fed got beaten down so badly? -3 net breaks for the match. When's the last time that happened to him, 2003?

Yes, it's been a long time ago, can't remember exactly. But that doesn't mean it would never be happening again, now would it?
Face it - Fed has had an incredible run, and WILL remain to be a force to recon with during the coming few years (or so I believe), but it's not too far of to consider him becoming less dominant now - his incredible winning streak has had to end somewhere. And like I said, Fish has been playing GREAT during this tournament. His #98 ranking spot is no way a reflection of the way he's been playing recently.

anon57
03-23-2008, 10:25 PM
Yes, it's been a long time ago, can't remember exactly. But that doesn't mean it would never be happening again, now would it?
Face it - Fed has had an incredible run, and WILL remain to be a force to recon with during the coming few years (or so I believe), but it's not too far of to consider him becoming less dominant now - his incredible winning streak has had to end somewhere. And like I said, Fish has been playing GREAT during this tournament. His #98 ranking spot is no way a reflection of the way he's been playing recently.

I agree, I believe he still has some big titles left in him. The big titles will just not come a easily as they seemed to come in the previous years. Roger will have more days where him not playing at his best will not be enough to win the match as was the case yesterday against Fish and that will result in more losses possibly lob-sided ones like yesterday.

soraya
03-23-2008, 10:29 PM
Something got Roger out of sync, and it is something, apperantly - he would not reveal in an interview.

Assuming he had a 5 hours screaming match with Mirka the night before for whatever reason, it is safe to assume that no, he won't share it with the press.

After Volandi, we found the reason for his bad play was Roche. I dare say we won't know the reason now, but it is something.

I agree, he is the kind of person who internalizes his private matters and it shows on the court.

Marek.
03-23-2008, 10:31 PM
Buzza - he had poor groundstrokes, poor 1st serve %, poor ROS. One thing that was good was his movement and defense. That should never slump, so I'm encouraged there. In fact one point he played really amazing defense but lost the point because Fish painted the baseline.

His movement seemed to be the worst part of the match to me. A lot of Fish's winners he just watched and didn't even attempt to go after them.

Sunset of Age
03-23-2008, 10:55 PM
His movement seemed to be the worst part of the match to me. A lot of Fish's winners he just watched and didn't even attempt to go after them.

Well yes - perhaps that was the most disturbing fact about Rogi's loss - not so much his physical shortcomings, but rather the MENTAL ones. As if he didn't care less. Strange, indeed.

Still I rather regard this as an off-day than anything else. Hope there's indeed nothing seriously wrong with him.

Minnie
03-23-2008, 11:20 PM
As I watched that match, I kept thinking that Roger was deliberately tanking the match, so poor was his movement and some of the shots he could have got to, he just let them pass by. If he was not feeling great, well he learnt a hard lesson from his comments after the Murray match when the media castigated him for them. His press conference gave nothing away .... except his admiration for the way Mardy Fish played against him. I'm sorry that some so-called fans are now castigating Fed ... he's had a serious illness which could well lead to chronic fatigue syndrome. This is what worries me much more than any loss.

Sunset of Age
03-23-2008, 11:34 PM
As I watched that match, I kept thinking that Roger was deliberately tanking the match, so poor was his movement and some of the shots he could have got to, he just let them pass by. If he was not feeling great, well he learnt a hard lesson from his comments after the Murray match when the media castigated him for them. His press conference gave nothing away .... except his admiration for the way Mardy Fish played against him. I'm sorry that some so-called fans are now castigating Fed ... he's had a serious illness which could well lead to chronic fatigue syndrome. This is what worries me much more than any loss.

Hey I don't get you here - you actually accuse Roger of tanking, and at the same time you say his fans are too harsh on him?

Not being able to play at one's full level (be it because of an illness or anything else) doesn't equal 'tanking', I hope? :confused:

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 01:20 AM
I am hoping he can work on the thigns that are so bad (i'm talking here as someone who doesnt want to talk about this so called illness)

but his BH is so pathetic beyond belief now.... its like when we laughed at Roddick's BH - guy can only hit 1 winner in a match from his BH >> and that is Fed thesedays :o

he needs to start anticipating serves like he used to and then be more aggresive with them and stop the chipping balls back mid court shit.

he's also still in this frame of mind that just puting the ball back all his opponents will just give him errors (he said it again about Fish yesterday) and that attitude sums him up right now.

i'l like to see more seriousness in him again, and enough smiley smiley look how happy with myself i am thesedays .. anytime i see clips of him practising he is laughing and j/k.

i dont like it.

it may take losing his number 1 or more likely, Nole/any other player to win Wimbledon and himself to have a bad defeat to wise up.

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 01:53 AM
Escude - I take offense at your implication that mono is a "so-called illness". Very offensive.

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 02:02 AM
Escude - I take offense at your implication that mono is a "so-called illness". Very offensive.

Hey, nobody knows for sure what's going on with Fed. Some of us indeed believe he's being affected by mono (among them, me), others don't. We all have our own ideas about it... in the end... Nobody Knows. :angel:

For your info, I've posted a few things about this disease in this thread over here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=119965).

nobama
03-24-2008, 02:34 AM
Hey I don't get you here - you actually accuse Roger of tanking, and at the same time you say his fans are too harsh on him?

Not being able to play at one's full level (be it because of an illness or anything else) doesn't equal 'tanking', I hope? :confused:Well I was at the match and I do wonder if it wasn't a tank. Only because he put no effort in at all and after the match didn't seem to bummed out or upset that he lost. I've never before accused him of tanking but the way he played yesterday was more than just a bad day. There was NO EFFORT at all. Very strange.

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 02:35 AM
Well I was at the match and I do wonder if it wasn't a tank. Only because he put no effort in at all and after the match didn't seem to bummed out or upset that he lost. I've never before accused him of tanking but the way he played yesterday was more than just a bad day. There was NO EFFORT at all. Very strange.

Okay, I'll take your word for it, as I honestly believe you'd never say a thing like this if there weren't a good reason for it - and as I said, I couldn't witness the match.

If it indeed is the case... well, that puts a whole new perspective on things for me. :confused: :sad: :wazzup: :wazzup: :wazzup:

Marek.
03-24-2008, 02:50 AM
Getting a good coach wouldn't hurt.

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 02:51 AM
Escude - I take offense at your implication that mono is a "so-called illness". Very offensive.If it was as bad as you think, he shouldnt even be able to play or play and win matches, plus he said he's over it...

he seems in denial sometimes after he loses matches - all it was .. Fish this, Fish that, he is better than #98, he went for winners everytime and made them

no talk of his own shit play, not agknowledging how lifeless he seems on court, he was dominated and just rolled over and died - at least fight till the bitter end.

didnt look or sound like he cared about what was done to him yesterday.

put into context - even pansy hitter Hewitt took Fish to a 3rd set TB this week & Fed is routed 3 + 2 by him :o

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 02:53 AM
and when i say 3+2

i recall Fish had 2 or maybe 3 other games when he has BP's and didnt make it.

just think of it.

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 02:54 AM
^^ Hey Mikey, Fish might have that #98 ranking, but it's not like he actually played like THAT last week, no?
Beating Hewitt, Denko, & Nalby... and Fed, of course...

No Mug Performance if you ask me.

Okay, I think I've just found out that I love Rogi more than I ever realized... :angel:

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 02:56 AM
Of course not, i agree'd with what he says about Fish

but he should be looking at his own play rather than just seeming to think the only reason he lost this match 3 + 2 was because of how Fish played.

its like he's in denial.

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 03:07 AM
its like he's in denial.

That makes two of us I guess... :awww: :awww: :awww:

nobama
03-24-2008, 03:35 AM
Okay, I'll take your word for it, as I honestly believe you'd never say a thing like this if there weren't a good reason for it - and as I said, I couldn't witness the match.

If it indeed is the case... well, that puts a whole new perspective on things for me. :confused: :sad: :wazzup: :wazzup: :wazzup:Well when I say tank I mean it in the sense that he's not 100 % yet and maybe wasn't feeling it yesterday so decided to "tank" the match rather than try and summon the effort to try and turn things around. I have no reason he went into the match thinking 'I'm going to tank' but maybe after a few games and he wasn't feeling it he said 'sc'll rew it' and let the match go. Before the tournament he really lowered his expectations so maybe he thought win a few matches in IW, get with Pierre in Miami for fitness work and try to win that tournament. As long as he gets himself into shape for RG and W I'll be happy. :)

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 03:39 AM
Imagine if he loses early in Miami and Nole wins there

already you could almost say his chances of year end no.1 will be dead in the water, and Sampy breathes that one is safe

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 03:40 AM
infact what is it now

Nole 331
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Fed 135

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 03:46 AM
Fish quote after Fed match

"These courts are really slow and all the players I have beaten this week defend really well but when I’m the aggressor I’m not sure they like it"

congrats on being just another moonballing retriever Fed :o

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 03:54 AM
Well when I say tank I mean it in the sense that he's not 100 % yet and maybe wasn't feeling it yesterday so decided to "tank" the match rather than try and summon the effort to try and turn things around.

Ah, I understand now, I just judge the verdict 'tanking' as a rather bit more negative than you do, I suppose.
All he's after is defending his #1 position as much as he's capable of right now I believe. He did a pretty good job at that in IW once again. :angel:

Fish quote after Fed match

"These courts are really slow and all the players I have beaten this week defend really well but when Iím the aggressor Iím not sure they like it"

congrats on being just another moonballing retriever Fed :o

Pfah Mikey, you really ARE disappointed in Rogi, aren't you? :scared: :awww: :hug:

:secret: Even Rogi-The-Great is only a mere human, eh?

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 03:55 AM
Nowadays, he is, Karin :(

did you know Nadal had zero BH winners yesterday and Fed, 1 :tape:

FedFan_2007
03-24-2008, 04:01 AM
This is the first time in 8 years(2000) that he has 0 titles through March. A sign of the apocalypse?

Sunset of Age
03-24-2008, 04:03 AM
Nowadays, he is, Karin :(

did you know Nadal had zero BH winners yesterday and Fed, 1 :tape:

Wonderful couple they are, the two of them, don't you think? :p

Corey Feldman
03-24-2008, 04:08 AM
This is the first time in 8 years(2000) that he has 0 titles through March. A sign of the apocalypse?Well there was a time he'd have played about 6,7 maybe 8 tournaments by that time

nowadays its 3, and its not like he's been close to a win... not even a Final

his 2 semis were complete blow outs.


Wonderful couple they are, the two of them, don't you think? :pThey should team in doubles, and maybe that way they can walk out the year with some GS's under their belt :o altho, Nadal will win RG anyway... not even a doubt about that anymore.

NYCtennisfan
03-24-2008, 04:12 AM
One technical thing about Fed's latest struggles:

When he was winning all of the time for the past 4 years, he would hit a lot of wimpy Bh's (slice or topspin) especially on the return, but would get away with it because he would defend so well over to the BH side and then slice the ball back deep and get the rally too neutral and then take control of the rally with his next FH. Lately, against Fish, against Murray, against Djoker, against Nalbandian, he would slice the weak return, then chase to the BH corner and slice back weakly instead of sharply and deep. He would lose all control of the rally there.

To beat everybody everwhere require every little thing to be working and when more than one thing is not quite right, you can't dominate.

SUKTUEN
03-24-2008, 06:28 AM
I think although Roger lost his NO.1 this year, he also can take it back!:mad:

playhard
03-24-2008, 07:48 AM
he suddenly felt ill, then didn't have enough power to compete.

tomorrow is another day...

JediFed
03-24-2008, 08:19 AM
I agree. He didnt say anything to clue us in in his press conference, but something isn't quite right.


Yes, I have to agree with this analysis. He was playing fine tennis up until now. I could see him losing to Fish, but not in straights, and not without at least pushing him. Yes, Fish was a dangerous opponent, but I thought a loss would be something like 6-7 6-4 6-7.

JediFed
03-24-2008, 08:21 AM
I think although Roger lost his NO.1 this year, he also can take it back!


He's not lost it yet, not by a long shot.

Another good performance at Miami, and he will be in good shape.

I think he just needs to get his head straight.

JediFed
03-24-2008, 08:23 AM
Imagine if he loses early in Miami and Nole wins there

already you could almost say his chances of year end no.1 will be dead in the water, and Sampy breathes that one is safe


Way to early.

Reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated. Even if Nole wins Miami outright, he won't be number one on hard.

yanchr
03-24-2008, 10:12 AM
I have no reason he went into the match thinking 'I'm going to tank' but maybe after a few games and he wasn't feeling it he said 'sc'll rew it' and let the match go. Before the tournament he really lowered his expectations so maybe he thought win a few matches in IW, get with Pierre in Miami for fitness work and try to win that tournament.
That is actually the feeling I got from reading his interview. I hope this is "it", nothing else...

wackykid
03-24-2008, 11:00 AM
He's not lost it yet, not by a long shot.

Another good performance at Miami, and he will be in good shape.

I think he just needs to get his head straight.

the main worry is not in miami or before the clay season is over... the main worry is when wimbledom/usopen series comes.... roger is going to have a heck lot of points to defend... and even if he has fixed his game by then but screwed up in miami and in the clay season... both nadal and joker has the potential to overtake federer by then... an "unthinkable" scenario would be federer becoming no. 3 behind nadal and joker...!! :help:


regards,
wacky

Eden
03-24-2008, 01:12 PM
the main worry is not in miami or before the clay season is over... the main worry is when wimbledom/usopen series comes.... roger is going to have a heck lot of points to defend... and even if he has fixed his game by then but screwed up in miami and in the clay season... both nadal and joker has the potential to overtake federer by then... an "unthinkable" scenario would be federer becoming no. 3 behind nadal and joker...!! :help:

regards,
wacky

What's the problem with Roger going down in the rankings? We all know that it is impossible for him to stay No. 1 in the rankings until he retires. When the other players have better results they get more points, but that takes nothing away from Roger's achievements over the last years. We will probably never see such a dominance again in the near future.

The most important thing right now is that Roger looks after his body, gets 100% fit and hopefully gets the confidence back on the court. It's probably mainly a mental problem at the moment as you don't forget how to hit a ball from day-to-day.

BlueSwan
03-24-2008, 01:32 PM
What's the problem with Roger going down in the rankings?

Well, I for one, desperately want to put Rogers GOAT status beyond doubt. I want him to break the Sampras GS record (3 more slams needed) and the Sampras weeks at #1 record (70 more weeks needed) and I want him to complete the career grand slam by winning RG. I'm not concerned with Sampras streak of 6 years ending the year as #1 - that's an arbitrary record with a 52-week rollings points system.

While I still believe that he'll snatch the GS record, which IS the most important record, the two others are starting to look less likely by the day, and I don't like it one bit.

nobama
03-24-2008, 01:44 PM
That is actually the feeling I got from reading his interview. I hope this is "it", nothing else...I hope so to, but it does piss me off a bit since I had tickets to see him and he put in that performance. that's why at the time I was hoping something was wrong and it wasn't intentional.

groundstroke
03-24-2008, 02:00 PM
Federer is an enigma.

yanchr
03-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Well, I for one, desperately want to put Rogers GOAT status beyond doubt. I want him to break the Sampras GS record (3 more slams needed) and the Sampras weeks at #1 record (70 more weeks needed) and I want him to complete the career grand slam by winning RG. I'm not concerned with Sampras streak of 6 years ending the year as #1 - that's an arbitrary record with a 52-week rollings points system.
I desperately want everything you want from Roger. But I agree with Eden here. I care about his health and his game much more than anything right now. If he doesn't have either of these two fully back (probably he will never get 100% of his game back, but at least 80%), there is no point in talking about any of the "wants". Anyone can take No.1 ranking if Roger is not there any more. I don't care.

yanchr
03-24-2008, 02:33 PM
I hope so to, but it does piss me off a bit since I had tickets to see him and he put in that performance. that's why at the time I was hoping something was wrong and it wasn't intentional.
I fully understand :lol: :tape: I'm sorry for you...but at least you saw him win there twice, so ;)

PamV
03-24-2008, 02:51 PM
It's not so much the loss but how he lost that bothers me the most. He didn't seem to want to be out there today. No fire at all.

Now I didn't watch the first set, but what I've read from the first set matches up with what I saw in the second.

Yes, Fish played well there, but that was an atrocious match played by Federer. I don't see what the reporter is saying that it was a C game. Seemed more to me like and F.

It's foolish to suppose Fed has lost interest! Why would he do that right when he is so near his goal of reaching Sampras' record in majors?

I think it's obvious this was due to the after affects of having mono. He lost weight, lost muscle, lost stamina. That doesn't come back in just a few weeks.

It's such a pity this happened now. Right when Djoko is peaking instead of seeing Roger play him on equal terms, we have a weakened Roger in the mix.

^Sue^
03-24-2008, 02:54 PM
Roger needs to win titles, this is the way for him to call himself the World No.1......hope he improves his gameplan. if he continues to play like this, it'll be a terrible situation for him.....

PamV
03-24-2008, 02:57 PM
Way to early.

Reports of his demise are greatly exaggerated. Even if Nole wins Miami outright, he won't be number one on hard.

Djoko can't gain any points in Miami since he won there last year!!! If Roger makes to the 3rd round he at least defends his points from last year. They way Roger looks now it's going to be hard for him to make it to the final of MC like he did last year. Although he doesn't have many points from Rome to defend .... so that should help.

Right now maybe staying #1 isn't the biggest thing on Roger's mind. I would imagine he's hoping he can get in shape to win Wimby this year. The biggest blow of all would be to lose there or to not even win a title this year. He can't feel like himself physically and that must be really frustrating.

ExpectedWinner
03-24-2008, 04:25 PM
Well, I for one, desperately want to put Rogers GOAT status beyond doubt. I want him to break the Sampras GS record (3 more slams needed) and the Sampras weeks at #1 record (70 more weeks needed) and I want him to complete the career grand slam by winning RG. I'm not concerned with Sampras streak of 6 years ending the year as #1 - that's an arbitrary record with a 52-week rollings points system.

While I still believe that he'll snatch the GS record, which IS the most important record, the two others are starting to look less likely by the day, and I don't like it one bit.

You have very high demands. Look how many points both Djoker and Nadal have. Enough points for both of them to be No1. When Sampras was aging, he did not have to deal with anything like that (Rios' start in 1998 was similar to Djoker's but he faded after the FO), nobody behind him had the consistency of these two and still, he struggled to finish No1 in 1998. In 1999 Agassi won FO, USO, reached the final at W, and Pete was totally out of the picture for the No1 ranking. But by that time, the talk was the he did not care anymore.
Fed's problem is that he was sort of a late bloomer. He missed the opportunity to become No1 in 2003 and won his first Slam almost at 22. I totally gave up on the ranking; young, fresh legs have a big advantage in this race. I still hope that he'll be able to scrape out a couple of more Slams somewhere along the road.

PamV
03-24-2008, 06:01 PM
Fed's problem is that he was sort of a late bloomer. He missed the opportunity to become No1 in 2003 and won his first Slam almost at 22. I totally gave up on the ranking; young, fresh legs have a big advantage in this race. I still hope that he'll be able to scrape out a couple of more Slams somewhere along the road.

That's so true. I also think the fact that it took him as long as it did to figure out Hewitt and Nalbandian in that period before he hit his peak hurt.

The most important thing for Roger is to keep trying to win majors and hopefully get 3 more.

I think Roger's legs looked fresher before the mono. I still hope he can get back to speed.

SUKTUEN
03-24-2008, 06:29 PM
I think Roger's legs looked fresher before the mono. I still hope he can get back to speed.

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Greenday
03-24-2008, 07:01 PM
How can anyone expect Fed to give a reason for his loss to Fish after wat happenned in dubai after his loss to Murray??.....and when he said tht he is sufferring from Mono??....The headlines were "Federer blames Illness for Poor start"...and all the Fed bashing in the british media for apparently not acknowledging how great a player murray is!!....He sure learnt his lesson and he is not going to say anything else apart from praising his opponenet's play even if something is really wrong....

JediFed
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
Federer is in great shape.

He's 2 years ahead of Sampras at this point in time. Same as with year end number 1. He's right along where Sampras was.

Yes, he was a late bloomer at 22, but his level of play has been so high the last 3 years that he's caught up and surpassed Sampras.

Djokovic hasn't proven himself yet (a season isn't long enough), so we will see how things proceed.

JediFed
03-24-2008, 08:20 PM
the main worry is not in miami or before the clay season is over... the main worry is when wimbledom/usopen series comes.... roger is going to have a heck lot of points to defend... and even if he has fixed his game by then but screwed up in miami and in the clay season... both nadal and joker has the potential to overtake federer by then... an "unthinkable" scenario would be federer becoming no. 3 behind nadal and joker...!!


Much can change in 6 months.

I don't see how he can 'screw up Miami' anymore then he already did.

SUKTUEN
03-24-2008, 08:35 PM
now is March only, the season is long, so Roger have enough time to catch up!

Puschkin
03-25-2008, 08:45 AM
now is March only, the season is long, so Roger have enough time to catch up!
Exactly. This illness thing is a lose-lose situation for Roger with the press. Whatever he says, will be interpreted wrongly. I understand it perfectly well that he tries to avoid the issue.

And finally, only he himself knows, how affected he still is or not. What we do here is pure speculation.

Rog1
03-25-2008, 12:43 PM
I hope Roger will recover. I'm not even watching his matches at the minute partly because of this whole mono business.

Just hope he won't give up his dreams of overtaking Pete now??

Wish that he will done well in Miami?



Linda (Luton-UK)

RogerFan82
03-25-2008, 01:52 PM
Looking at the Fish match again, I definitely think now that Roger tanked the match and he wanted to lose easily so that people would know that as well. I think roger, inspite of his public pronouncements, has not fully recovered in terms of his physical fitness. Knowing that he wanted to avoid playing Nadal or Djoke, which is natural since you don't want get beaten by your arch rivals and give them great confidence, especially when you cannot give 100%. I think Roger wants to face them when he is at or near his maximum physical fitness.

Had he lost a close match to Fish, people and the media would be shouting DECLINE!! DECLINE!! But by losing easily even though Fish was only serving 34%, the media are forced to acknowledge that Roger seemed lethargic and uninterested out there.

Roger got what he wanted, some points, some breathing space in the rankings between himself and Nadal.

Now Roger gets more time to work on his fitness with pagnini. I think we will certainly see Roger doing much better in Miami, maybe even take the title.

This is my take on roger's inexplicable performance against Fish. Hopefully I'm right.

SUKTUEN
03-25-2008, 03:38 PM
I hope Roger will recover. I'm not even watching his matches at the minute partly because of this whole mono business.

Just hope he won't give up his dreams of overtaking Pete now??


I think he will never give up this dream!!!!:mad::mad:

nobama
03-25-2008, 04:23 PM
Looking at the Fish match again, I definitely think now that Roger tanked the match and he wanted to lose easily so that people would know that as well. I think roger, inspite of his public pronouncements, has not fully recovered in terms of his physical fitness. Knowing that he wanted to avoid playing Nadal or Djoke, which is natural since you don't want get beaten by your arch rivals and give them great confidence, especially when you cannot give 100%. I think Roger wants to face them when he is at or near his maximum physical fitness.

Had he lost a close match to Fish, people and the media would be shouting DECLINE!! DECLINE!! But by losing easily even though Fish was only serving 34%, the media are forced to acknowledge that Roger seemed lethargic and uninterested out there.

Roger got what he wanted, some points, some breathing space in the rankings between himself and Nadal.

Now Roger gets more time to work on his fitness with pagnini. I think we will certainly see Roger doing much better in Miami, maybe even take the title.

This is my take on roger's inexplicable performance against Fish. Hopefully I'm right.I think he may have tanked but not because he didn't want to face Nadal or Djoker.

Skyward
03-25-2008, 04:30 PM
Had he lost a close match to Fish, people and the media would be shouting DECLINE!! DECLINE!!

That's what they've been doing since the loss to Djoker. :shrug:

Sunset of Age
03-25-2008, 06:07 PM
I think he may have tanked but not because he didn't want to face Nadal or Djoker.

No way. :silly: :silly: :silly:
He might have tanked the match indeed, but if so (and I still consider it highly out-of-character for him), the only reason can be that he wanted to spare himself regarding his recovery from mono IMHO.

nobama
03-25-2008, 06:11 PM
No way. :silly: :silly: :silly:
He might have tanked the match indeed, but if so (and I still consider it highly out-of-character for him), the only reason can be that he wanted to spare himself regarding his recovery from mono IMHO.I can understand the haters or the djerktards thinking Roger tanked because he didn't want to face Djoker, but not Roger's fans.

ShotmaKer
03-25-2008, 06:11 PM
I think the whole mono stuff makes sense to me now, regarding his attitude toward his loss to fish... he did not seem disappointed and he probably thought it was already great to make the semis... But what I don't get is why did he say that he was 100% if it was not the case? He could have just said that he feels better now :scratch: This whole speculating stuff is mainly because he said he was 100%, otherwise, people would have just said he had not fully recovered so that's what this all is about! By the way, did he literaly say he has 100% recovered? or is it just some misinterpretation I red in the press and on MTF? there's still something that bothers me about this match... :shrug:

rofe
03-25-2008, 06:22 PM
I think the whole mono stuff makes sense to me now, regarding his attitude toward his loss to fish... he did not seem disappointed and he probably thought it was already great to make the semis... But what I don't get is why did he say that he was 100% if it was not the case? He could have just said that he feels better now :scratch: This whole speculating stuff is mainly because he said he was 100%, otherwise, people would have just said he had not fully recovered so that's what this all is about! By the way, did he literaly say he has 100% recovered? or is it just some misinterpretation I red in the press and on MTF? there's still something that bothers me about this match... :shrug:

Because he got bitten about his mono statement earlier by a lot of journalists. I think he has the right approach now (though I don't like it). Praise your opponent lavishly after a defeat and say that you were 100% so that these stupid journos don't get on your case.

Sunset of Age
03-25-2008, 06:23 PM
I can understand the haters or the djerktards thinking Roger tanked because he didn't want to face Djoker, but not Roger's fans.

Oh how those Djokotards would like to think that that's the reason Roger didn't play well, eh?

Next time Djoko loses I might start a thread 'Nole didn't dare to face [insert name Player X here]!' :devil:
Eh no. I'm not steeping down to their lows. :angel:

I think the whole mono stuff makes sense to me now, regarding his attitude toward his loss to fish... he did not seem disappointed and he probably thought it was already great to make the semis... But what I don't get is why did he say that he was 100% if it was not the case? He could have just said that he feels better now :scratch: This whole speculating stuff is mainly because he said he was 100%, otherwise, people would have just said he had not fully recovered so that's what this all is about! By the way, did he literaly say he has 100% recovered? or is it just some misinterpretation I red in the press and on MTF? there's still something that bothers me about this match... :shrug:

I've been trying to explain the different ways in which a mono-infection can develop in GM (to no avail, of course, as the Djokotards rather listen to one of theirs who claims he's a doc - heavens if he indeed is! :eek:) than to me.

Point is, the infection can be 'over', i.e., it's out-of-your blood to put it simply - but the after-effects, for instance fatigue, can still linger on for a very long while. So it might well be that clinical-wise, Roger is indeed fully recovered, but that doesn't mean the after-effects don't still affect him. Hope that makes any sense. ;)

RogerFan82
03-25-2008, 06:42 PM
I can understand the haters or the djerktards thinking Roger tanked because he didn't want to face Djoker, but not Roger's fans.

Sorry Mello Yellow, I didn't say Roger tanked because he is afraid to play Djoker or Nadal. Just that he wanted to meet them when he is at or near 100% fitness. :wavey::wavey:

I'll never speak bad of Roger.:worship::worship:

I just cannot think of any other reason for his performance against fish.:confused:

The reason I felt as I had stated in my previous post was, Roger tried to play Dubai when he was not fully fit, and found out that he could not beat Murray (a top 10 player) inspite of his best efforts. So probably roger feels that it is better to play fellow top players when he is atleast close to his peak fitness. Maybe he entered IW just to get as many points as possible, knowing his fitness limitations. Again I'm just thinking out loud. Not insinuating that Roger ran away from playing Djoker!!

Again I just cannot think of any other reason for his performance against fish.:confused: Roger always fights but just showed no fight, not even a "COME ON!!!!" that day. And I don't agree that Fish just blew him off the court. Fish would not have beaten many top 20 players with 34% 1st serves in.

ExpectedWinner
03-25-2008, 07:14 PM
But what I don't get is why did he say that he was 100% if it was not the case?

Listen, when low ranked players lose to top players , they don't come and say- I had mono/cold/stress fracture/blisters, whatever. They are expected to meet the press and talk about how wonderful top players are and that's what they do in most cases. The same rules are for Federer, no?

IvŠn
03-25-2008, 07:16 PM
roger has many financial commitments that he must fulfill

he will be back, if not for himself but for the money

ShotmaKer
03-25-2008, 08:20 PM
Point is, the infection can be 'over', i.e., it's out-of-your blood to put it simply - but the after-effects, for instance fatigue, can still linger on for a very long while. So it might well be that clinical-wise, Roger is indeed fully recovered, but that doesn't mean the after-effects don't still affect him. Hope that makes any sense. ;)

Well, thanks for explaining. So he has medically fully recovered. But my point is, did he said that he was on the top of his form? Because when I red critics, I think what bothers people the most is that he said that he was in a great shape (and he showed he could play well indeed), but he then lost a match awfully, so from that angle, I somehow understand people when they're speculating about a tanked match... and probably this is why it is that difficult to make a coherent conversation with some forumers, especially djokotards! but after all, who gives a shit... Strategically, in my sense he should have just said he's feeling better, and not that he's definitely back! Then, he wouldn't have to justify his eventual poor performances by praising his opponents(:confused:), but still, I agree that the situation is better now for him, so he does not have to release the mono stuff everytime...

rofe
03-25-2008, 08:20 PM
roger has many financial commitments that he must fulfill

he will be back, if not for himself but for the money

And you know this how?

ShotmaKer
03-25-2008, 08:25 PM
Listen, when low ranked players lose to top players , they don't come and say- I had mono/cold/stress fracture/blisters, whatever. They are expected to meet the press and talk about how wonderful top players are and that's what they do in most cases. The same rules are for Federer, no?

What's funny about that is when he lost to murray, he first criticized him... and people criticized him for that! Now he's praising fish... and people are still criticizing him! So what's next?

ShotmaKer
03-25-2008, 08:29 PM
roger has many financial commitments that he must fulfill

he will be back, if not for himself but for the money

Come on, the guy has already all he needs, and as far as his carreer is concerned, money is not the best motivation ever known!

Sunset of Age
03-25-2008, 08:32 PM
What's funny about that is when he lost to murray, he first criticized him... and people criticized him for that! Now he's praising fish... and people are still criticizing him! So what's next?

Whatever he says, those who are looking forward to his decline / haters will always twist / explain his words in such a manner that it gives a negative impression about him. In the end, it merely gives an indication about his true greatness...

ShotmaKer
03-25-2008, 08:45 PM
Indeed... he should just say 'ok, i'm feeling better now, and looking forward to seeing my game back!' That's enough... He doesn't have to verse into criticizm or overpraising his opponents, that doesn't look like him...:smash:

ExpectedWinner
03-25-2008, 08:50 PM
What's funny about that is when he lost to murray, he first criticized him... and people criticized him for that! Now he's praising fish... and people are still criticizing him! So what's next?

Only thishttp://startrek.enterprise.online.fr/pict/euro/eu_b500f.jpg and this http://ts1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1553638640632&id=5cb432ab8aafdb57f49b764ae3626d75( it's getting weaker though) is loved and appreciated by everyone. Grow thick skin and don't pay attention to haters and idiots.

NYCtennisfan
03-25-2008, 11:45 PM
Only thishttp://startrek.enterprise.online.fr/pict/euro/eu_b500f.jpg and this http://ts1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1553638640632&id=5cb432ab8aafdb57f49b764ae3626d75( it's getting weaker though) is loved and appreciated by everyone. Grow thick skin and don't pay attention to haters and idiots.

:haha:

World Beater
03-26-2008, 12:12 AM
Only thishttp://startrek.enterprise.online.fr/pict/euro/eu_b500f.jpg and this http://ts1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1553638640632&id=5cb432ab8aafdb57f49b764ae3626d75( it's getting weaker though) is loved and appreciated by everyone. Grow thick skin and don't pay attention to haters and idiots.

too much. :haha:

Federerhingis
03-26-2008, 01:09 AM
Only thishttp://startrek.enterprise.online.fr/pict/euro/eu_b500f.jpg and this http://ts1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1553638640632&id=5cb432ab8aafdb57f49b764ae3626d75( it's getting weaker though) is loved and appreciated by everyone. Grow thick skin and don't pay attention to haters and idiots.


Even I want some of those! :haha:

SUKTUEN
03-26-2008, 07:23 AM
:haha::haha::haha:

elessar
03-26-2008, 01:21 PM
Because he got bitten about his mono statement earlier by a lot of journalists. I think he has the right approach now (though I don't like it). Praise your opponent lavishly after a defeat and say that you were 100% so that these stupid journos don't get on your case.
He's learned his lesson that's for sure, he's also been more or less like that anyway, it's not like he has a history of blaming illness or injuries for his losses. I still think in a few weeks he'll make a few comments about what was really affecting him (motivation/health problem or just plain bad tennis day where he couldn't feel the ball:shrug:)
Listen, when low ranked players lose to top players , they don't come and say- I had mono/cold/stress fracture/blisters, whatever. They are expected to meet the press and talk about how wonderful top players are and that's what they do in most cases. The same rules are for Federer, no?
The only difference is that Fish doesn't need to be off his game to get beaten 3 and 2 by Roger. Because he's the nr1 player Roger has to be much more careful about what he says, which is normal, but sometimes I'd prefer him to be more honest to know what's really going on. I can't have it both way though so I prefer him to take it like a man and not make excuses, even if the excessive praising of Fish appears a little ridiculous


As for those who said he may have tanked, I highly doubt that. Given all the talk about his demise lately if he was planning on losing that match, he would have lost with a more respectable scoreline :shrug:

SUKTUEN
03-26-2008, 04:38 PM
look at the pic of practise today, Roger looks so far so good~

nobama
03-26-2008, 05:03 PM
As for those who said he may have tanked, I highly doubt that. Given all the talk about his demise lately if he was planning on losing that match, he would have lost with a more respectable scoreline :shrug:But then no one would be wondering if it was a tank, they'd be wondering if his game is really in decline.

ExpectedWinner
03-26-2008, 05:26 PM
The only difference is that Fish doesn't need to be off his game to get beaten 3 and 2 by Roger.

It's irrelevant. Press conferences shouldn't turn into a medical update, period. People are not interested in health problems of lower ranked players (it doesn' t mean that they don't have them) and usually they don't talk about it. It seems that only top players feel it's normal to bring up their health issues (mono, blisters, pain in the famous ass, "tiny, sensitive organism", etc.), esp after a loss. That's one of the reasons why Fed's mono situation is disguting. That's why I said that revealing his mono was a lose-lose situation for Fed. Not only people are still talking about his decline and lack of motivation/preparation, now they are questioning his integrity, his ability to take losses like a man should.

ExpectedWinner
03-26-2008, 05:30 PM
they'd be wondering if his game is really in decline.

Are you in a vacuum?

robinhood
03-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Oh man.
Has the time finally come for me to recite "he at least still got his hair"?

Even more shocking than the fact that he lost to Fish was the score.
3 and 2???!!!
Wow.

While I did expect that his world domination wouldn't be the same this year and was thankful for having followed his results for the last four years, things are getting out of control way too soon, it seems.

But he's still my guy and nothing would ever change that.
So he's in a slump or decline, so what!
HE'S STILL GOT HIS HAIR.

Sunset of Age
03-26-2008, 05:53 PM
It seems that only top players feel it's normal to bring up their health issues (mono, blisters, pain in the famous ass, "tiny, sensitive organism", etc.), esp after a loss.

For some strange reason I keep reading that sequence like "tiny, sensitive organ". :angel:

elessar
03-26-2008, 06:45 PM
It's irrelevant. Press conferences shouldn't turn into a medical update, period. People are not interested in health problems of lower ranked players (it doesn' t mean that they don't have them) and usually they don't talk about it. It seems that only top players feel it's normal to bring up their health issues (mono, blisters, pain in the famous ass, "tiny, sensitive organism", etc.), esp after a loss. That's one of the reasons why Fed's mono situation is disguting. That's why I said that revealing his mono was a lose-lose situation for Fed. Not only people are still talking about his decline and lack of motivation/preparation, now they are questioning his integrity, his ability to take losses like a man should.

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure if you read the transcripts, lower ranked players are much more likely to talk about their problems because they're not under the same kind of scrutiny.

I understand why you think Roger should just shut up about his problems but at the same time I like to know what's wrong with him and what's the point of even having a press conference if you can't talk about that :shrug: It's obviously a double edged sword though and by chosing to tell something like that to the press Roger has to be ready to face whatever comes his way afterwards

nobama
03-26-2008, 06:46 PM
Are you in a vacuum?I know people are saying that anyway, but with a loss like that, and the way he lost, no one can seriously it was anything other than a tank, IMO.

ExpectedWinner
03-26-2008, 06:55 PM
For some strange reason I keep reading that sequence like "tiny, sensitive organ". :angel:

:ignore: ;)

ExpectedWinner
03-26-2008, 07:23 PM
I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure if you read the transcripts, lower ranked players are much more likely to talk about their problems because they're not under the same kind of scrutiny.



I'm too lazy to go to some interview site and read who said what.
In general, people and the press are not interested , for example, in Dudi Sela, or Labadze's problems. Usually they face questions like this: Dudi, is Roger the most complete player you've ever seen?... Iraklii, is Rafa the best mover on clay?..., Mardy, tell us about Novak's mental strength..., etc... Sometimes they retire or they get treatment for something on the court (like Wawrinka last week) and then health questions come up, but no, I don't think it happens too often.

theprodigy
03-27-2008, 12:36 PM
He probably has not recovered yet, but pretends like nothing's wrong just to shut those journalists and haters up.