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Roger Trouble

dragons112
03-05-2008, 12:47 PM
First and mo important thing. If Nadal goes deep does that mean he is the new number 1.

IS roger's ranking in trouble?

Secondly,

What is wrong with him does he even slice the ball anymore? come to net? drop volley and lob?

NO. HE is all about forehand and backhand. He is an average player at the moment.

Someone tell me whats wrong

Or Levy
03-05-2008, 01:24 PM
Um, were we watching the same player yesterday?

He S&V, he came to the net (maybe too much), he sliced on occasion (I'm not sure the slice is a good weapon against Murray, in fact - I wanted Roger to rip that forehand a bit more), he volleyed... his main problems were the UFE and the rust, timing on the return, and sometimes the serve...

I've seen problems evolving from Roger not playing enough, rather than missing a step on occasion (like we've seen against Djoko, and sometimes against Nalby last year) - this match was all about the errors, when Roger got agressive didn't put a forehand meters wide - he won the point.

rofe
03-05-2008, 02:40 PM
The game is still there - if he gets some more match practice, he will do better.

Or Levy
03-05-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm looking at the guys playing and realizing how unlucky Roger got - I mean, WHO GETS A TOP 10 PLAYER IN THE FIRST ROUND?

I'm just a tiny bit bitter, you see.

Sunset of Age
03-05-2008, 04:06 PM
^^ It's called Bad Luck. :angel:

Despite that, if one deserves to win a tournament, one should win EACH and EVERY match. Muzza deserved this win, he was the better player.

Filipo
03-05-2008, 05:04 PM
IS roger's ranking in trouble?


not in trouble until Monte Carlo at least. considering his last year IW and Miami and playing Estoril this year, Roger probably won't have problems for ranking untill Roland Garros or Wimbledon (without any big upsets at Monte Carlo, Hamburg and RG).

JediFed
03-05-2008, 05:29 PM
He's fine.

Just needs more match practice.

As for the draw, as I said, it is the worst draw ever for a number 1 in the history of Tennis. No number one has ever faced a number 12 in the first round since rankings were instituted.

It's bound to happen eventually when you are number 1 for 4 years straight.

nobama
03-05-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm looking at the guys playing and realizing how unlucky Roger got - I mean, WHO GETS A TOP 10 PLAYER IN THE FIRST ROUND?

I'm just a tiny bit bitter, you see.
I feel the same way. I don't even care about him not winning the tournament but he needs the match play. And it's even more depressing knowing that outside of the rust he wasn't playing that badly. Had he drawn any other possible player he probably would have won and would be able to work his way into the tournament. It would just be Roger's luck to get a shitty draw in IW too.

I hope whomever is brought on board to Team Fed drills into Roger the need to play and play and play, especially now that it's pretty much a given he won't go deep in every tournament he plays. Of course Roger should know this, but obviously he needs someone to remind him.

Rogieva
03-05-2008, 06:33 PM
It was there, he came in the net a lot (i remember one volley he got right from his shoe laces :worship:) it just more match practise and King Fed will reign again.

Eden
03-05-2008, 07:26 PM
The game is still there - if he gets some more match practice, he will do better.

Exactly. People seemed to have forgotten that it is normal for a player to lose from time to time, especially against high ranked players.

Don't forget that Roger could have also lost a few matches in the past where he came through in the end. Would have anyone talked about the decline of him when he had lost in Halle 06 against Rochus or in Basel 06 against Scrichapan?

Roger needs matchpraxis right now and it avenged that he didn't played a tournament before Dubai or at least playing doubles there, especially considering the fact that the players field in Dubai this year was outstanding.

lunahielo
03-05-2008, 07:37 PM
He'll be just fine.
:)

Or Levy
03-05-2008, 08:35 PM
The problem is, that playing Sampras right before IW didn't exactly serve him well in the past...

Right now, I just want him to win the exo, that's all.

Sunset of Age
03-05-2008, 09:23 PM
I just can't bother with these exhos at all. I can only wish Rogi would cut them down, find a coach, and start practicing with REAL opponents again.

Rogiman
03-05-2008, 09:32 PM
Not such a big hole like many try to picture it.

I liked what I saw in the 1st set against Murray, which made me conclude that if he

[1] still has the motivation
[2] plays tournaments regularly, and
[3] dropes the whole 'SuperStar' BS (awards, Sampras exhibitions etc.)

he still has the game to outdo his main rivals.
I thought the forehand was great, at least in the 1st set, and the serve has been great for a long time now, and this combo will always beat players like DJokovic, whose fh and bh are more evenly balanced but neither really huge - as long as he has the fitness and match toughness - or at least I tend to think so.

didadida
03-05-2008, 11:15 PM
i thought he was moving better than AO but the bh still his weakness weapon,he should work hard in this isuue
hope he will gain his confidence and motivation and his firing spirit again
cause we really miss our old roger cause he still there it is the matter of finding his way back

yanchr
03-06-2008, 12:34 AM
I feel the same way. I don't even care about him not winning the tournament but he needs the match play. And it's even more depressing knowing that outside of the rust he wasn't playing that badly. Had he drawn any other possible player he probably would have won and would be able to work his way into the tournament. It would just be Roger's luck to get a shitty draw in IW too.
I know it's a fact that it was bad luck to draw Murray in the 1st round after a long break but he should have expected a tough draw in Dubai anyway. It shouldn't be the issue to be brought up again and again after the loss. The problem lies in his actions, his attitude, his decision and maybe his game. It even may turn out to be a good thing if he realizes what he needs to do now because of this loss.

yanchr
03-06-2008, 12:36 AM
Based on what I saw, I also think he will be fine. I just hope his confidence doesn't shake too much.

lsy
03-06-2008, 12:53 AM
"he problem lies in his actions, his attitude, his decision and maybe his game..."

Sounds like big problem ahead

Based on what I saw, I also think he will be fine.

But you're happy with what you'd seen.

:confused:

Federerhingis
03-06-2008, 12:53 AM
At any rate, will the Tennis channel air the finals of Dubai? Will there be any airing of Dubai in the US? I haven't heard much about Dubai been broadcasted at all in the US?

Not that I really care unless one of my other favorites makes the final. :p

wackykid
03-06-2008, 01:29 AM
i still remember seeing the good old federer in the final 3 matches of last year's TMC... wat happened to it??? :confused: for a while last year i had thought federer has finally found back his good old form in TMC... but now it's gone... has he caught the nalbandian bug by having lack of match practice...?? :confused:


regards,
wacky

yanchr
03-06-2008, 02:18 AM
Sounds like big problem ahead
I think a bit of all these aspects. It could be easy to get them all right.

But you're happy with what you'd seen.

:confused:
That I mean his tennis.

MrChopin
03-06-2008, 03:40 AM
Not such a big hole like many try to picture it.

I liked what I saw in the 1st set against Murray, which made me conclude that if he

[1] still has the motivation
[2] plays tournaments regularly, and
[3] dropes the whole 'SuperStar' BS (awards, Sampras exhibitions etc.)

he still has the game to outdo his main rivals.
I thought the forehand was great, at least in the 1st set, and the serve has been great for a long time now, and this combo will always beat players like DJokovic, whose fh and bh are more evenly balanced but neither really huge - as long as he has the fitness and match toughness - or at least I tend to think so.

I think this is a good post, and it's key to note how much of this rides with Federer's motivation/emotion. Certainly, other players are getting better faster than he is (that's what happens to the guy at the top). I can't remember where Sampras said it, but when the topic of retiring too early came up, he noted that it wasn't a physical need, but rather, an emotional one, that the game of tennis no longer provided the ultra-competitive drive and satisfaction that it had when he was younger. After winning as much as Fed has, I can imagine something similar happening to him.

Simultaneously, he still has the game to beat anybody else on tour. His recent losses include: Murray (playing some of his best tennis), Djokovic (playing some of his best tennis), Nalbandian (playing some of his best tennis), and Gonzalez (playing some of his best tennis). All top 10 players who had great days, and Fed still almost won half of them while playing something other than his best. It was only months ago that he turned it back on at TMC and dominated like he can.

So he's been pushed more in the last year than we've seen in a long time, but it's the first time this has really happened on a consistent basis and on all surfaces. How he responds over the next 6-8 months is entirely new territory, one that I don't think warrants much prediction.

lsy
03-06-2008, 04:11 AM
I think a bit of all these aspects. It could be easy to get them all right.


That I mean his tennis.

I guess what I meant was if he'd a lousy attitude/mindset (problem areas as you'd highlighted), his tennis would probably be in a mess and not fine...esp vs a quality opponent.

I didn't get to see the match at all, so I'm taking you guys words here that he'd played good despite a loss.

I just have a feeling at times the fans have problem accepting a loss from this guy even though it's from quality opponents, and there has got to be some sort of "reasons/justification" to that. Of course that's probably due to his own doing past few yrs.

Maybe on that day that match, it's simply the other guy is better...theres really no need to overanalyse everything...what had gone wrong/what had he not done/what he should be doing etc etc :shrug:

But then again...if that's the case, this forum will be really boring :o :lol:

yanchr
03-06-2008, 04:21 AM
Maybe on that day that match, it's simply the other guy is better...theres really no need to overanalyse everything...what had gone wrong/what had he not done/what he should be doing etc etc :shrug:

But then again...if that's the case, this forum will be really boring :o :lol:
This just shows that fans are concerned about him, care about him and want him to do well. It's not totally a bad thing. When one day nobody is talking about these stuff any more, that will be the saddest thing.

Do you really want to see the "You are still the best" "I support you and love you no matter what" kind of stuff flooding here after his loss? ;)

lsy
03-06-2008, 04:33 AM
This just shows that fans are concerned about him, care about him and want him to do well. It's not totally a bad thing. When one day nobody is talking about these stuff any more, that will be the saddest thing.

Or just shows his fans had been living in a dream past yrs and simply refuse to wake up :p


Do you really want to see the "You are still the best" "I support you and love you no matter what" kind of stuff flooding here after his loss? ;)

Don't you know that I make sure I read that "unconditional support" (or is it love?) thread in rf.com few times before and after I come here ;)

My life is balance.

Or Levy
03-06-2008, 06:27 AM
I don't think there was anything wrong with his motivation, not after the AO, not in Dubai where he lives, not when defending a title, not the fight for number 1 so tight, not in the first round, not against another one of those young guns, a dangerous guy who had beaten him before.

How many times did we mention Roger's rust in the first rounds. How many times did he get stuck in a three-setter against a lower-ranked guy and just got out of it due to his superior skills and determination and being Roger Federer?

Well, this time he wasn't playing a guy barely in the top 20. He was playing a top 10 guy, top 5 material if he wasn't injured - and still played a relatively tight three-setter, only this time he lost.

I just hope he's staying away from the media right now.

Rogiman
03-06-2008, 07:10 AM
I don't think there was anything wrong with his motivation, not after the AO, not in Dubai where he lives, not when defending a title, not the fight for number 1 so tight, not in the first round, not against another one of those young guns, a dangerous guy who had beaten him before.

How many times did we mention Roger's rust in the first rounds. How many times did he get stuck in a three-setter against a lower-ranked guy and just got out of it due to his superior skills and determination and being Roger Federer?

Well, this time he wasn't playing a guy barely in the top 20. He was playing a top 10 guy, top 5 material if he wasn't injured - and still played a relatively tight three-setter, only this time he lost.

I just hope he's staying away from the media right now.Normally I'd agree, but sweating like a horse and returning like an amateur suggest there's more to it than the typical first rounds rustiness - it's lack of matchplay he can no longer afford.

nobama
03-06-2008, 11:00 AM
I don't think it's motivation, it's stubborness, or at least, just being set in his ways. Thinking what worked for him in the past will work now and going forward. His schedule was fine, and smart, when he was winning all the time, but now it's just a given he's going to lose more often, and sometimes early in events, so he will need to adjust his schedule. I got the feeling from some of the comments he made pre-Dubai that even Roger felt 5 weeks off with no play was too long to be away.

Or Levy
03-06-2008, 11:25 AM
Oh, I agree it is lack of match play, as well - that's the reason for the rust, after all.

I did notice he was unusually sweaty.

lunahielo
03-06-2008, 12:03 PM
At any rate, will the Tennis channel air the finals of Dubai? Will there be any airing of Dubai in the US? I haven't heard much about Dubai been broadcasted at all in the US?

Not that I really care unless one of my other favorites makes the final. :p

I looked up TTC schedule for you and nothing is mentioned about Dubai.:(
(They carried the Dubai WTA)

They seemed to be all tied up with Las Vegas!
Luna