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Federer doesn't believe Roddick served a world record speed

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 09:36 AM
Q. Roddick hit a 153 miles an hour serve at Queen's. Can you talk about how power and speed, the ever increasing power and speed in the game is affecting certain shots, the way that you play?

ROGER FEDERER: Wonder if those speed guns are right, really. I've heard players who say the speed gun was all over the place in Queen's. But I think he even hit it wide on the ad side. How is that possible?

I know he hits the serve very hard. Well, I think it will only ‑‑ the game will only get faster from here. I don't think you can do much to slow it down.




roger is obviously in denial, probably in fear of such massive serving so he denies that it is possible.
i just hope he doesn't screw up and lose before the final so that he can experience those serves flying past him, maybe then he will believe 153 mph are very much possible and will crush him like a fly

he is correct when he says there is not much you can do to slow it down and there wont be much that he can do to stop roddick from winning wimbledon

azza
06-21-2004, 09:38 AM
Jelouse. ****.

Aleksa's Laydee
06-21-2004, 10:20 AM
haha yep sure is!!!

jtipson
06-21-2004, 10:38 AM
I see the anti-Federer fans are jealous of his position of number one and fav for Wimbledon. Never mind.

budikovac
06-21-2004, 11:00 AM
Federer: "I've heard players who say the speed gun was all over the place in Queen's."
It's true that speed guns were fuc*** up at queens! They even turned them of when Karlovic played vs. Gambill in the first round cause they measured every second serve 150 mph/h!

Federer: "But I think he even hit it wide on the ad side. How is that possible?"
I watched the match and I don't think Roddick hit a 153 mph serve! First he did hit it out wide and the wind was blowing towards him! He didn't even notice he hit a "huge" serve, neither did Srichaphan! They just turned to go to the next point when everybody in the crowd started applauding, just then they have noticed the speed gun!

roger is obviously in denial, probably in fear of such massive serving so he denies that it is possible.
i just hope he doesn't screw up and lose before the final so that he can experience those serves flying past him, maybe then he will believe 153 mph are very much possible and will crush him like a fly
Federer has no reason to be afraid of Roddick! The score is 5/1 to Federer's favor! Roddick has no chance against Roger, on Grass especially. Aldo I think It's not impossible that Federer screw's up against some outsider before the final!

Dirk
06-21-2004, 11:05 AM
Remember when Andy made a serving record last year at Queens? What happened when he played Rogi? Rogi had him sweating buckets putting his huge serve under so much pressure. Rogi has outplayed many big bombers before. I still think Mark hits them bigger than Andy. Rogi if he stays healthy will always be a factor at Wimbly win or lose it this year.

Vass
06-21-2004, 11:10 AM
Roger! I solute you! :yeah: :bigclap:

He's not in denial. He just knows that Roddick serves at his old speed of 230 kph, and that the speedometer isn't working properly. He also knows that he can get back Roddicks serves, whatever the speed gun says the speed is.

PS: I bet that Roddick would not hit a single 145 mph at Wimby... Plus, I want journalists to ask him if he's serve is weakening, when he doesn't serve as fast as in Queens.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 11:51 AM
anyone have any more imagination then to say look at 5-1 in rogers favor

its not like roger and andy are playing each other each week to be able to draw conclusions from that, henman was 5-0 against federer at indian wells, did that help him?

they have played 3 times over the past 18 months and it is 2-1 in favor of federer. now roddick was in very bad shape in houston while roger played great. andy needs to be at 100% to beat roger and i am certain he will be if they meet in the final.

Neely
06-21-2004, 11:53 AM
hitchhiker.... LOL, I'm not sure if Roger is the person that should be afraid of Roddick. Roger could handle Roddick's serve every time so far and I don't find a reason why he shouldn't be able to do that again this year.

I'm a Roddick fan myself, but I don't deny the fact that Roddick was WITHOUT ANY CHANCE last year in Wimbledon and at the Masters Cup. Roddick had often to go uncouontable times over deuce to hold his serve whereas Federer had a much easier games and neither in Wimbledon nor in Houston I did not have the impression at any point of the whole match that Roddick is able to win.

Good, Roddick defeated Roger during his redhot streak before the US Open on American hardcourt in a third set tiebreaker, but still Federer was so far always superious against Roddick in the other matches.

prediction: if Roddick and Federer meet in Wimbledon, and if both guys play 100% of what they are capable of, I can only see one winner ---> Federer
but if Federer is bad and plays only 80% and Roddick 100 or 110% it could be the other way of course.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 11:58 AM
prediction: if Roddick and Federer meet in Wimbledon, and if both guys play 100% of what they are capable of, I can only see one winner ---> Federer
but if Federer is bad and plays only 80% and Roddick 100 or 110% it could be the other way of course.

1 year ago roddick was odds on favorite to beat federer in the semi finals, roger had worse odds to win against roddick then he has of winning the championship this year

i dont think there has been a match where a top form roddick played a top form federer and until we see that it is difficult to judge things

Vass
06-21-2004, 11:59 AM
well said Neely. And 5-1 you can not deny a 5-1 record... It means a lot.

*Ljubica*
06-21-2004, 11:59 AM
Well Hewitt said pretty much the same thing at Queens, - don't know quite how it can be possible and why they don't/can't get it fixed, but they do always say the speed guns are "too fast" at Queens.

As for Roger being jealous (maybe try spelling that word right and omitting the foul language next time azza :) ) - well in my opinion Roger is a far better, all-round player than Roddick - and the current World Number 1 - so why the hell should he be jealous? Tennis skill is more than big, booming serves you know.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 12:01 PM
Tennis skill is more than big, booming serves you know.

good for roddick he has that far more skill then nalboondian

jtipson
06-21-2004, 12:04 PM
1 year ago roddick was odds on favorite to beat federer in the semi finals, roger had worse odds to win against roddick then he has of winning the championship this year

Roddick may have been promoted as favourite to win that by the blind pundits of American TV, but I don't think he was elsewhere. Certainly not in the UK.

jtipson
06-21-2004, 12:05 PM
good for roddick he has that far more skill then nalboondian

If you're going to argue, at least can you put together coherent sentences and spell properly. I don't mind typos, but I'm getting rather tired of this.

Vass
06-21-2004, 12:05 PM
Well Hewitt said pretty much the same thing at Queens, - don't know quite how it can be possible and why they don't/can't get it fixed, but they do always say the speed guns are "too fast" at Queens.

Different manufacturers claim that their gun is the most accurate. One is used all the time and shows slower speeds and the other is used only in DC and Queens. I don't mind using the faster one all the time and don't mind it showing 153 mph. I just hate it when the media takes this 153 mph Roddick's serve and says "Oh my God! His serve is improving everyday! he's becomming more and more dangerous with the serve! How will the opponent's cope?" :rolleyes: "Roddick's incredible 153 MPH serve makes him one of the favoites at Wimbledon"- Matthew Cronin- let's see if he can serve them at Wimby.


i also hate the fact that the ATp doesn't have a regulation on which radar gun to use, especially when both guns can be used to set official records... :rolleyes: Otherwise... I'm sure that there can be a radar gun that can turn my 55 mph serves into 160. Why not? You can't use two different scales!

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 12:14 PM
I just hate it when the media takes this 153 mph Roddick's serve and says "Oh my God! His serve is improving everyday! he's becomming more and more dangerous with the serve! How will the opponent's cope?" :rolleyes:


use some logic, roddick wasnt hitting 153mph at queens last year so of course his serve improved

Neely
06-21-2004, 12:15 PM
1 year ago roddick was odds on favorite to beat federer in the semi finals, roger had worse odds to win against roddick then he has of winning the championship this year
yes, I believe you that this was the case last year because nobody would have thought that Federer finally wins his 1st Grand Slam and Federer didn't get any respect of the oddsmakers.
I'm sure odds were at least even or favored Federer when they met in Houston later in 2003. Federer was a different player that time than before winning Wimbledon.

But anyway, odds don't (necessarily) reflect the estimation/probability of winning a match. For example, it's always hard to find fair odds for huge favorites or public favorite teams because odds are set in respect of this, too.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-21-2004, 12:16 PM
:crying2: :rain: cry me a river :rain: :crying2:

Vass
06-21-2004, 12:22 PM
use some logic, roddick wasnt hitting 153mph at queens last year so of course his serve improved
Oh I'm so sorry! 3 miles per hour matter so much when you serve above 140! I forgot! yeah, because the returner has an extra 0.001 seconds to reach to the ball in the case of 150 mph serves...

The media said nothing about his serving last year, as far as I know. They treat it as a jump from the week earlier...

budikovac
06-21-2004, 12:43 PM
good for roddick he has that far more skill then nalboondian
Roddick has more skill then "Nalboondian"?
Nalbandian has at least 2 times more skill then Roddick! All that Roddick has is a huge serve and a good forehand! His backhand sucks, volleys are terrible... Nalbandian has no weakness, he is technically perfect, if not better then Federer, fast and has a great anticipation (Roddick is not slow aether but Nalbandian just reads the game so much better)!

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 12:53 PM
Nalbandian has at least 2 times more skill then Roddick!


LOL still waiting for him to win a title


All that Roddick has is a huge serve and a good forehand! His backhand sucks, volleys are terrible


nalbandian is only better at backhand then roddick


... Nalbandian has no weakness


:haha: your funny


, he is technically perfect


it gets better


if not better then Federer

and better

Pea
06-21-2004, 12:53 PM
Ahh yes, the record is what Roger craves.:rolleyes::haha:

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 12:55 PM
Ahh yes, the record is what Roger craves.:rolleyes::haha:

yes petes record

*Ljubica*
06-21-2004, 01:26 PM
Roddick has more skill then "Nalboondian"?
Nalbandian has at least 2 times more skill then Roddick! All that Roddick has is a huge serve and a good forehand! His backhand sucks, volleys are terrible... Nalbandian has no weakness, he is technically perfect, if not better then Federer, fast and has a great anticipation (Roddick is not slow aether but Nalbandian just reads the game so much better)!

Thanks budikovac - that is so true, - and also to jtipson for your comments, and to Vass for explaining about the speed gun thing.

As for our dear friend HH - I would argue that Nalbandian already has a couple of titles to his name - but what's the point of arguing with someone who can't spell or formulate a sentence, and seems to know less about tennis that the 9-month-old baby that lives next door to me? Like Billabong said in another thread recently - that man is tempting me to issue my first ever bad-rep points :devil:

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 01:30 PM
Brad said in an article recently that he thought "the guns were friendly" at Queens. He also said that Andy doesn't really care how fast he serves because it's only one point (Andy said this also). So, let's move on:)

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 01:40 PM
Thanks budikovac - that is so true


LOL


what's the point of arguing with someone who can't spell or formulate a sentence, and seems to know less about tennis that the 9-month-old baby that lives next door to me?


the best reponse you can come up with is something about my gramar, i think your the one with no tennis knowlege and i can spell/write fine if i wanted to and but with the lack of tennis knowledge here it is not worth it


Like Billabong said in another thread recently - that man is tempting me to issue my first ever bad-rep points :devil:

join the que, i am on -42 and counting

Havok
06-21-2004, 01:49 PM
omfg these posts :bigcry: getting all fired up over a serve record. weren't most of you :yawn: when those threads poped up saying that Roddick broke the record yet again? people need other things to do :scared:

sigmagirl91
06-21-2004, 01:53 PM
It's too early. I am not going to feed the trolls right now. Maybe later, around noontime when I am fully awake....

*Ljubica*
06-21-2004, 02:01 PM
LOL



the best reponse you can come up with is something about my gramar, i think your the one with no tennis knowlege and i can spell/write fine if i wanted to and but with the lack of tennis knowledge here it is not worth it



join the que, i am on -42 and counting

OK - so "que" is spelt QUEUE, "gramar" is spelt GRAMMAR - and if you are really so proud of 42 "bad reps" out of 81 posts then I think that is pretty sad. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but your attitude is certainly giving a very bad name to the very many decent Andy fans on this Forum.

And Sigma - it is way past noon here :devil:

sigmagirl91
06-21-2004, 02:42 PM
OK - so "que" is spelt QUEUE, "gramar" is spelt GRAMMAR - and if you are really so proud of 42 "bad reps" out of 81 posts then I think that is pretty sad. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but your attitude is certainly giving a very bad name to the very many decent Andy fans on this Forum.

And Sigma - it is way past noon here :devil:

It's a quarter to ten in the a.m. here, so give me an hour or two.

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 03:02 PM
1 year ago roddick was odds on favorite to beat federer in the semi finals, roger had worse odds to win against roddick then he has of winning the championship this year

i dont think there has been a match where a top form roddick played a top form federer and until we see that it is difficult to judge things
ummm wrong. roger was the fav

LCeh
06-21-2004, 03:04 PM
Hitchhiker, I hope you realize by now that Federer was not criticizing Andy, but he was just saying what he heard. I am sorry if he thinks it's hard to hit a 153 mph serve out wide, since that's common sense... :rolleyes:

BaselineSmash
06-21-2004, 03:04 PM
If you're going to argue, at least can you put together coherent sentences and spell properly. I don't mind typos, but I'm getting rather tired of this.

Agreed. And it's especially disgraceful because many of the members here have learnt English as a second language, and their posts are as good as those posted by natural English speakers. I can literally barely comprehend what HH is trying to say half the time. :retard:

Skyward
06-21-2004, 03:04 PM
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

at the whole thread

Carito_90
06-21-2004, 03:07 PM
omfg these posts :bigcry: getting all fired up over a serve record. weren't most of you :yawn: when those threads poped up saying that Roddick broke the record yet again? people need other things to do :scared:

:lol: completely true :)

And Rosie, thanks for giving another example of how even Andy haters care about Andy :)

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 03:09 PM
why does it even matter anyway? 153 isn't any harder to hit than 150, which was the previous record held my roddick, no? i DO think it is impossible to hit a 153 mph serve out wide considering his "next fastest" out wide serve is in the 130's... but it doesn't really matter. roger answered the question well, saying he had doubts about the validity of that one serve but overall, that's where the game is heading... but that's where it's been heading for a decade or more.

*Ljubica*
06-21-2004, 03:09 PM
Agreed. And it's especially disgraceful because many of the members here have learnt English as a second language, and their posts are as good as those posted by natural English speakers. I can literally barely comprehend what HH is trying to say half the time. :retard:

And even when you do manage to comprehend what he's trying to say it's not really worth listening too anyway!

Fumus
06-21-2004, 03:11 PM
wow, how can Fed say that, did you make this up? lol

alfonsojose
06-21-2004, 03:13 PM
i don't think Roger is attacking Andy or something like that. They should fix that stuff

Shy
06-21-2004, 03:16 PM
Q. Roddick hit a 153 miles an hour serve at Queen's. Can you talk about how power and speed, the ever increasing power and speed in the game is affecting certain shots, the way that you play?

ROGER FEDERER: Wonder if those speed guns are right, really. I've heard players who say the speed gun was all over the place in Queen's. But I think he even hit it wide on the ad side. How is that possible?

I know he hits the serve very hard. Well, I think it will only ‑‑ the game will only get faster from here. I don't think you can do much to slow it down. Of course, you can increase the size of the balls and stuff, but I think that's not what we want. There is enough good return players out there who can handle a serve like that. This is why I think nothing needs to be changed right now.


The quote is a little more interesting if you put it entirely. I think that he has a good points on why nothing should be change.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 03:32 PM
Looks like we have professor Rosie who has not found any better way to challange my ideas then to pick apart my GRAMMAR, happy now?

many decent Andy fans on this Forum.

I just can not figure this sentence out. You make no sense. You used a capital "F" at the start of "forum" grammar queen - I may be illeterate but I just can not make sense of such poor grammar, as a conclusion you must know nothing about tennis.


And even when you do manage to comprehend what he's trying to say it's not really worth listening too


WOW! The grammar police screws up again. Certainly you should have used "to" and not "too", for a terrific speller like you a mistake like that is unforgivable and proves beyond any reasonable doubt that everything you say is not worth listening to.

finally this isnt a english essay. i can write however i want because i type fast and if you dont agree, ignore it instead of being a sook and begin saying i cant spell/type :haha:

if you dont have anything to add to the thread ignore it or bad rep me but dont become pathetic and complain about spelling

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 03:32 PM
wow, how can Fed say that, did you make this up? lol

no its on the wimbledon site

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 03:33 PM
no its on the wimbledon site
i think its a interesting quote but people sook

lsy
06-21-2004, 03:42 PM
roger is obviously in denial, probably in fear of such massive serving so he denies that it is possible.


Below is the statement from this same joker who was upset with another poster in the other thread:

"We dont live in some magical place where top sportsmen dont have egos

isnt macenroes true opinion far more interesting then if he decided to be a diplomat and offer some happy bullshit answer out of a textbook

and macenroe said nice things about borg in that article yet you decide to try and rip apart the one sentence in which he isnt kissing borgs butt"

But when similar "true opinion" came from one player he despised on another player he worshipped upon, this joker had a completely opposite opinion.

Joker indeed.

Just in care this joker totally misunderstood again, I'm not talking about Roger or Andy here, I'm talking about YOU, yes YOU THE JOKER!

*Ljubica*
06-21-2004, 03:45 PM
OK HH I admit that using "too" and not "to" was a typing error for which I apologise. Happy now??? As for being pathetic - well, everyone is entitled to their opinions - you have yours and I have mine - let us just leave it at that. However, reading about the number of "bad rep" points you have it looks like more people here agree with my views than with yours :) You are getting almost as boring as a lot of people find Andy's serving :p As for typing fast -that should not be an excuse for more than the occassional typing error!

Fumus
06-21-2004, 03:48 PM
I don't think Roger is in denial but, it's not his place to make such statements in my opinion. Andy isn't bashing Rogers volleys or ground strokes saying that they aren't that good...

Fumus
06-21-2004, 03:50 PM
besides Roger, this is soo dumb, Andy served 152 in DC, were the radar guns broken there too? :lol:

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 03:53 PM
Below is the statement from this same joker who was upset with another poster in the other thread:

But when similar "true opinion" came from one player he despised on another player he worshipped upon, this joker had a completely opposite opinion.



what is your point?
i never said roger shouldnt have said that. i am glad he gave honest opinion and i found it a interesting responce that is controversial that is why i started this thread and offered my opinion on it.

it was worth a discussion and that kind of responce and that roger gave his honest opinion is far better then a diplomatic answer 99% of players would give.

unfortunately this thread has turned into yet another exercise of bad repping me

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 03:54 PM
oh my god.... hitchhiker give it up lol

Fumus
06-21-2004, 03:55 PM
Hitchhiker you better slow down other wise your repution may look like this http://www.menstennisforums.com/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gifhttp://www.menstennisforums.com/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gifhttp://www.menstennisforums.com/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gif

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 03:56 PM
i find it very funny that 4 people bad repped me in this thread, 3 of them for bad spelling :haha:

Shy
06-21-2004, 03:57 PM
The speed guns are use in DC and Queen where he breaks record, right? They don't use speed guns at most tournaments, right?

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 04:00 PM
Shy I'm not sure if it's the same gun at Queens as DC....

but it's funny that his 149 at Queens last year was never questioned.

In any case. This thread is hilarious :)

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 04:01 PM
my personal favorite bad rep from this thread "for making roddick fans look bad"

lsy
06-21-2004, 04:02 PM
what is your point?


sigh....The point is, if you want decent discussion, come up with one in the first place. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you kept producing arrogant, deluded statements as you had so far.

but that's it from me :wavey:

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:03 PM
Shy I'm not sure if it's the same gun at Queens as DC....

but it's funny that his 149 at Queens last year was never questioned.

In any case. This thread is hilarious :)

Well put, I just think Fed is out of line to say stuff like that. You wanna talk about the ATP fine, talk about the ATP but, don't try to take something away from another player.

Carito_90
06-21-2004, 04:04 PM
I just want someone to answer this 2 lil question:

If the speed guns used in the DC and in Queens show a higher speed number than the real speed, then why only Andy hitted a '153mph' serve? Why didn't another player hitted one aswell?
Andy might not have hitted a 153mph serve, but he DOES have the fastest serve on tour. So it really doesn't matter if he hitted a 153mph serve or not, he still has the fastest serve on tour!

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:05 PM
my personal favorite bad rep from this thread "for making roddick fans look bad"

you can't argue everyone, it gets really boring and lonely after awhile.

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 04:07 PM
omg... I don't think Fed was saying anything bad!! And I don't even really like Roger that much! Give the guy a break LOL! He was asked a question and he answered, it's not his fault. Even BRAD says the gun is fast. ANDY admitted it during Davis Cup as well. This is so a non-issue LOL

Carito no one, at least no one whose posts I read, is arguing that Andy doesn't have the fastest serve on tour. But 153mph would be a world record and world records should be legit :)

If they are going to bother recording serve speeds, they should standardize the guns. thats my .02....b/c otherwise, what's the point? It's like clothing sizes.... what's the point if I can go into one place and buy a 6 and have to buy an 8 in another place? :p

jtipson
06-21-2004, 04:12 PM
I don't think HH intended to start a reasonable discussion in the first place. He only seems to be interested in promoting his Roddick > Federer theory.

The title of the thread is misleading for a start. There is nowhere that Federer says he doesn't believe Roddick served a world-record speed. Everyone knows that record is Andy's. He does question the validity of the speed gun, but so have a lot of other people.

Skyward
06-21-2004, 04:14 PM
Wasn't it Roger who said once - give Roddick some time( to develop) and he might serve 170 or smth. :lol:

Havok
06-21-2004, 04:16 PM
This thread needs to die.

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 04:24 PM
I just want someone to answer this 2 lil question:

If the speed guns used in the DC and in Queens show a higher speed number than the real speed, then why only Andy hitted a '153mph' serve? Why didn't another player hitted one aswell?
Andy might not have hitted a 153mph serve, but he DOES have the fastest serve on tour. So it really doesn't matter if he hitted a 153mph serve or not, he still has the fastest serve on tour!
EXACTLY! and roger knows that. he also knows that it's nearly impossible that andy's fastest serve ever (in addition to being the fastest serve ever) could be an out-wide serve. andy IS the fastest server in the game right now, but i really don't consider every gun accurate. otherwise patty schnyder has beaten them all with a 163 mph serve at the australian open :rolleyes: it's just really ridiculous. they throw out so many radar reads in the women's field when the gun glitches like i just mentioned, but noone had the forsight to question a 153 mph serve out-wide??? ridiculous.
hats off to andy for still having the fastest serve, but... that one wasn't even his fastest.

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:25 PM
I don't think HH intended to start a reasonable discussion in the first place. He only seems to be interested in promoting his Roddick > Federer theory.

The title of the thread is misleading for a start. There is nowhere that Federer says he doesn't believe Roddick served a world-record speed. Everyone knows that record is Andy's. He does question the validity of the speed gun, but so have a lot of other people.

First of all MTF is full of misleading titles, certainly HH can't be blaimed for making those.

I think don't HH was as volatile as he was in his first thread. If he wanted to make an interesting discussion the fine posters at MTF wouldn't let him. He was attacked from the start, and he just fired back and then everyone thinks he's a trouble maker.

Clearly, he hasn't watched alot of tennis, he isn't that knowledible yet. In the states, sportscasters are bias towards all American players. If you didn't watch that much tennis and just tuned into ESPN or NBC once and awhile you might think Andy was the best and you might not have seen the other players play due to the fact they don't hardly show non-americans. Not everyone is born with keen tennis knowledge.

No one wants to feel stupid, so let's stop making HH feel that way and maybe he can contribute some great ideas to forums who knows.

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 04:27 PM
Well put, I just think Fed is out of line to say stuff like that. You wanna talk about the ATP fine, talk about the ATP but, don't try to take something away from another player.
:rolleyes: he was asked about andy's "record breaking serve." i don't think he brought up the legitimacy of guns only to cut andy down.... which he didn't anyway. he only talked about the gun and how it is impossible that the fastest serve ever was an out-wide serve...

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:34 PM
:rolleyes: he was asked about andy's "record breaking serve." i don't think he brought up the legitimacy of guns only to cut andy down.... which he didn't anyway. he only talked about the gun and how it is impossible that the fastest serve ever was an out-wide serve...

no, no that was a shot. I am sure there is alot of noise about the record in the locker room and Roger thinks it's bs. It comes through in his comment, I think. Fed could have said "Andy is a great server, he has lots of power,bla bla returners, bla bla" and just kept that comment to himself. Federer decided to go there... :rolleyes:

jtipson
06-21-2004, 04:35 PM
First of all MTF is full of misleading titles, certainly HH can't be blaimed for making those.

He's certainly responsible for this one.

I think don't HH was as volatile as he was in his first thread. If he wanted to make an interesting discussion the fine posters at MTF wouldn't let him. He was attacked from the start, and he just fired back and then everyone thinks he's a trouble maker.

On the evidence so far, he *is* a trouble maker. It's now up to him to prove that he's not, by engaging in reasonable discussion.

Clearly, he hasn't watched alot of tennis, he isn't that knowledible yet. In the states, sportscasters are bias towards all American players. If you didn't watch that much tennis and just tuned into ESPN or NBC once and awhile you might think Andy was the best and you might not have seen the other players play due to the fact they don't hardly show non-americans. Not everyone is born with keen tennis knowledge.

If he's not knowledgeable then he shouldn't be spouting such extreme opinions on things he knows nothing about. It seems to me that he is chosing to take this line purposely.

No one wants to feel stupid, so let's stop making HH feel that way and maybe he can contribute some great ideas to forums who knows.

Good, I hope he can. I'll wait to be convinced.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 04:37 PM
First of all MTF is full of misleading titles, certainly HH can't be blaimed for making those.

I think don't HH was as volatile as he was in his first thread. If he wanted to make an interesting discussion the fine posters at MTF wouldn't let him. He was attacked from the start, and he just fired back and then everyone thinks he's a trouble maker.

Clearly, he hasn't watched alot of tennis, he isn't that knowledible yet. In the states, sportscasters are bias towards all American players. If you didn't watch that much tennis and just tuned into ESPN or NBC once and awhile you might think Andy was the best and you might not have seen the other players play due to the fact they don't hardly show non-americans. Not everyone is born with keen tennis knowledge.

No one wants to feel stupid, so let's stop making HH feel that way and maybe he can contribute some great ideas to forums who knows.


thanks!
at least one person understands the aim of this thread wasnt to bash roger but it wasnt a usual quote so deserved a thread

i would good rep you but with my rating i think even good reps turn to bad reps :haha:

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:40 PM
He's certainly responsible for this one.
On the evidence so far, he *is* a trouble maker. It's now up to him to prove that he's not, by engaging in reasonable discussion.
If he's not knowledgeable then he shouldn't be spouting such extreme opinions on things he knows nothing about. It seems to me that he is chosing to take this line purposely.
Good, I hope he can. I'll wait to be convinced.


Well I am just saying a misleading thread title isn't that unusual or is anything anyone is railed on for usually. You are just looking for reasons.

Yea posting when you don't know what you are talking about isn't a good idea. When you do that, I don't think you know that you don't know what you are talking about. I think hes getting some ideas. I hope he can contribute too, he doesn't seem dumb, just misinformed.

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 04:42 PM
no, no that was a shot. I am sure there is alot of noise about the record in the locker room and Roger thinks it's bs. It comes through in his comment, I think. Fed could have said "Andy is a great server, he has lots of power,bla bla returners, bla bla" and just kept that comment to himself. Federer decided to go there... :rolleyes:
why should he have to say something like that??? keep that cokmment to himself??? he's the number one player in the world-- newsflash-- his opinion matters. if he wants to talk about the guns, let him. if it so happens to put one of andy's serves into question, then so be it. ( :tape: i think i found YOUR problem :tape: )
like i said, patty schnyder is the fatest server of all time!!!
:worship: 163 mph :worship:

Havok
06-21-2004, 04:47 PM
Die thread, DIE.:D

Fumus
06-21-2004, 04:47 PM
why should he have to say something like that??? keep that cokmment to himself??? he's the number one player in the world-- newsflash-- his opinion matters. if he wants to talk about the guns, let him. if it so happens to put one of andy's serves into question, then so be it. ( :tape: i think i found YOUR problem :tape: )
like i said, patty schnyder is the fatest server of all time!!!
:worship: 163 mph :worship:

Well, your all over the place. Yea we will see what Roger does when Andy serves big on him but, that isn't what this is about. It's just not professional to say stuff like that and Roger just make himself look bad. My opinion of Roger drops after that comment.

I am glad you think Patty Schnyder is that fastest server of all time but, 153 isn't that outragious for Roddick as 163 is for Schnyder.

I am done talking about this.. :D

BaselineSmash
06-21-2004, 04:48 PM
Die thread, DIE.:D

You're extending it by posting. :rolleyes:

LCeh
06-21-2004, 04:51 PM
I don't see how Roger can possibly have put down Andy. He said he felt the gun was a little fast, and the serve was out wide. Anyone with a brain would wonder if it was the gun, since serves out wide is slower.

Of course Roger could have said something like "Andy is a great server, blah blah", but that will only turn him into Mal #2. He was asked about his thoughts on the serve, and he gave it.

Hitchhiker, give it a break man.

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 04:56 PM
and why is serve out wide slower then serve down the t?

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 04:57 PM
Well, your all over the place. Yea we will see what Roger does when Andy serves big on him but, that isn't what this is about. It's just not professional to say stuff like that and Roger just make himself look bad. My opinion of Roger drops after that comment.

I am glad you think Patty Schnyder is that fastest server of all time but, 153 isn't that outragious for Roddick as 163 is for Schnyder.

I am done talking about this.. :D
IMO, 153 out wide is less likely than 160 down the T... i don't care who does it. serves are significantly slower when put out wide.
and how does roger make himself look bad? i think he'd look bad if he held his tongue and just praised the 152 out wide ball and went onto the next question. anyone with a brain would question that, especially considering the same gun had been registering 150 mph second serves :rolleyes:
but andy has the record regardless, what's wrong with questioning the gun?

faboozadoo15
06-21-2004, 04:58 PM
and why is serve out wide slower then serve down the t?
think about it :rolleyes:

Havok
06-21-2004, 04:58 PM
serving down the T, the net is lower so you can flatten your serve out more which results in more speed. hitting out wide, you can't hit it as flat because the net is higher there and it won't make it ofer the net. You have to hit it with a bit more spin, so serves out wide are usually slower

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 04:58 PM
Hitchhiker, give it a break man.

give what a break?
posting interesting quotes? as much as people sook the thread has made some interesting discussion

hitchhiker
06-21-2004, 05:00 PM
think about it :rolleyes:

moron

thanks naldo

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 05:09 PM
Naldo they're not listening to us

DIE THREAD!!!!!!

Pea
06-21-2004, 05:23 PM
Poor rodduck fans.:sad:

Havok
06-21-2004, 05:25 PM
Poor Pea, yet ANOTHER post that has to do with Roddick :tears:

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-21-2004, 07:09 PM
I don't think the gun was off; I have always believed that Roddick is a mutant with superhuman powers

IMO, 153 out wide is less likely than 160 down the T... i don't care who does it. serves are significantly slower when put out wide.

J. Corwin
06-21-2004, 08:03 PM
I don't think Roger said anything bad or wrong. It was the "correct" answer anyway.

Chloe le Bopper
06-21-2004, 08:17 PM
thanks!
at least one person understands the aim of this thread wasnt to bash roger but it wasnt a usual quote so deserved a thread

i would good rep you but with my rating i think even good reps turn to bad reps :haha:
I don't like this thread... or your other thread. Or any post I've seen of yours yet. But... I don't like that you've been bombarded with negative rep, so I made you green again ;)

Chloe le Bopper
06-21-2004, 08:18 PM
Naldo they're not listening to us

DIE THREAD!!!!!!
Maybe people aren't listening because you are BUMPING THE THREAD UP BY POSTING IN IT.

Sorry for the caps, but if I wrote it quietly I'm afraid that the message might not have sunk in ;)

Chloe le Bopper
06-21-2004, 08:19 PM
You're extending it by posting. :rolleyes:
:D

YoursTruly
06-21-2004, 09:13 PM
Okay fine. Let's just settle it this way to even things out and be fair. From now on, the record should be put into the books like this:


Fatest Serve Speed - Andy Roddick USA
153 mph*


*measured at Queens


;)

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-21-2004, 09:57 PM
hahah!!!

i love roddick, and I think people are just antsy, but still, that's really funny YT

star
06-21-2004, 09:59 PM
Okay fine. Let's just settle it this way to even things out and be fair. From now on, the record should be put into the books like this:


Fatest Serve Speed - Andy Roddick USA
153 mph*


*measured at Queens


;)

EXACTLY! :worship:

They do stuff like that all the time in baseball.

And it can even read *measured at Queens (out wide) ;)

rue
06-21-2004, 10:01 PM
As some people said Hewitt said the same thing about not being too sure because his serves too were faster than they normally are. Roger is not jealous he is just being honest.

Deboogle!.
06-21-2004, 10:36 PM
And it can even read *measured at Queens (out wide) ;)

Or how about *measured at Queens (out wide on a cool heavy day against the wind) :p

Havok
06-21-2004, 11:09 PM
Maybe people aren't listening because you are BUMPING THE THREAD UP BY POSTING IN IT.

Sorry for the caps, but if I wrote it quietly I'm afraid that the message might not have sunk in ;)
errr, I was kinda directing it towards the few people who kept on jabbering about the subject, just in case you didn't catch on :scared: and people were posting in it regardless :retard:

Chloe le Bopper
06-22-2004, 01:16 AM
errr, I was kinda directing it towards the few people who kept on jabbering about the subject, just in case you didn't catch on :scared: and people were posting in it regardless :retard:
Yeah, but if they wanted to continue to talk about the subject, what's it to ya? Have you guys put your board police badges on again? I failed to notice. Sorry, officer ;)

Havok
06-22-2004, 01:17 AM
YOu get off with a warning this time. Next time you get a ticket;)

Chloe le Bopper
06-22-2004, 01:35 AM
Thanks for going lightly on me, officer :kiss:

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-22-2004, 01:58 AM
Woah, Rebecca--Naldo... pet names?? winks?? kisses?? is there a cyber romance here? eh eh?!

Chloe le Bopper
06-22-2004, 02:21 AM
You want in, Mrs Guga?

Havok
06-22-2004, 02:23 AM
We got room. :bigwave:

Pea
06-22-2004, 03:01 AM
Poor Pea, yet ANOTHER post that has to do with Roddick :tears:

Wrong again, dipstick.:) It has to do with rodduckfans. :D

Havok
06-22-2004, 03:29 AM
Who's fans Pea? Yeah thought so :bigwave:

Socket
06-22-2004, 03:52 AM
As some people said Hewitt said the same thing about not being too sure because his serves too were faster than they normally are. Roger is not jealous he is just being honest.

Sebastian Grosjean made the same comment, too. The new radar guns are definitely calibrated differently from the old ones. That doesn't mean the new ones are wrong, only that they're consistently producing different readings from the old ones (which could have been under-reading the speed). I read that the tour (or the Queens event) has sent the data from Queens to the radar gun's manufacturer in South Africa for verification.

Leo
06-22-2004, 04:05 AM
So much fuss over three meaningless digits.

Pea
06-22-2004, 04:23 AM
Who's fans Pea? Yeah thought so :bigwave:

So you guys are one now?:wavey:

faboozadoo15
06-22-2004, 05:14 AM
serving down the T, the net is lower so you can flatten your serve out more which results in more speed. hitting out wide, you can't hit it as flat because the net is higher there and it won't make it ofer the net. You have to hit it with a bit more spin, so serves out wide are usually slower
not just that, but think about the motion, it's impossible to have such a downward swing when throwing the ball out wide.

faboozadoo15
06-22-2004, 05:16 AM
moron

thanks naldo
if it wasn't obvious to you from all the tennis you must have seen over the years (s?) then i really think you must be the moron here...

faboozadoo15
06-22-2004, 05:20 AM
Yeah, but if they wanted to continue to talk about the subject, what's it to ya? Have you guys put your board police badges on again? I failed to notice. Sorry, officer ;)
exactly... why not let people discuss what they want if it is (for once) tennis related? i think even a few rookies learned a few things, most especially the creator of this thread :rolleyes:
of all the threads that are anti roddick, i really felt that that complaint would stay out of this one. no one is dissing roddick, he has both records regardless, but people are really attacking roger for making a really obvious observation...

Havok
06-22-2004, 05:23 AM
not just that, but think about the motion, it's impossible to have such a downward swing when throwing the ball out wide.
true, I guess I just forgot about that point;)

budikovac
06-23-2004, 11:27 AM
not just that, but think about the motion, it's impossible to have such a downward swing when throwing the ball out wide.
That's because you have to use more spin (Naldo explained), you can't hit spin serve when you go downwards, cause to have spin you have to go around the ball!
And it's a mater of height. I'm sure Karlovic can hit a flat serve out wide with his 2.08 m, just doesn't have a pair of fast hands like Roddick has to gain such speed!