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Forget about Federer and Roddick. Coria is a new grass king :))

Skyward
06-19-2004, 05:24 PM
He beat Ancic 7-6 1-6 6-3

I don't know if it's enough to consider him a major contender at Wimbledon, but pretty good recovery from miserable FO final.

Dirk
06-19-2004, 05:32 PM
Lorda should get him tomorrow. Win or lose a very good grass week for Coria.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 05:37 PM
well we'll see come Wimby where his grass game really is. He faces another big server right off the bat and then probably Arthurs in R2 so we'll see if he can put it together at the slam. It's happened before where a player has done quite well in a small tournament with an average draw the week before a slam only to go out in the first round or two the following week ;)

Fostin
06-19-2004, 05:37 PM
EXACLTY... great week 4 him he must be very happy with this victory... This must be shocking some ppl in London ;)

star
06-19-2004, 05:39 PM
well we'll see come Wimby where his grass game really is. He faces another big server right off the bat and then probably Arthurs in R2 so we'll see if he can put it together at the slam. It's happened before where a player has done quite well in a small tournament with an average draw the week before a slam only to go out in the first round or two the following week ;)

To me, Ancic is a much bigger threat than is Arthurs. Arthurs has been playing like crap all year long.

But I'm really glad Guille had good practice against a big server who serves and volleys. It will be good for his first round match. :)

Fostin
06-19-2004, 05:39 PM
well we'll see come Wimby where his grass game really is. He faces another big server right off the bat and then probably Arthurs in R2 so we'll see if he can put it together at the slam. It's happened before where a player has done quite well in a small tournament with an average draw the week before a slam only to go out in the first round or two the following week ;)


That's totally true but It's not the general rule ;)

¿esquímaux?
06-19-2004, 05:42 PM
Allez G'mo! :bigclap:

fco253
06-19-2004, 05:47 PM
I thnk is unfair to measure him at Wimb, he got a bad draw...

Moodie, Arthurs, Ljbucic and Fish!
Four 135 mph+ big servers in a row!

I am more than satisfied with what he has done this week.
And he got points equal to almost a 4th round...

TennisLurker
06-19-2004, 05:51 PM
he still has the points of buenos aires, basel, kitzbuhel, stuttgart and sopot, so, winning this will not add points to his ranking, winning in wimbledon would add points to his ranking.

jtipson
06-19-2004, 05:52 PM
I'm very impressed with Coria's results (unfortunately haven't seen any of his performances), but it doesn't get him any points, even if he wins. He's won too many optional events already :)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 05:55 PM
It's too bad this tournament has a Sunday final.... then he has not one day off before traveling to London to play at Wimby....

boliviana
06-19-2004, 05:56 PM
Points would be nice but he isn't all about points. He has a love for the game and he wants to prove that he deserves to be #3 in the world. I give him a lot of credit for putting himself out there like that and trying so hard. He has a work ethic that is really very impressive. And he is so committed . . . maybe losing the French took some pressure off of him.

fco253
06-19-2004, 05:57 PM
That's not totally correct Lurker, he won't add now, but he will avoid loosing points very soon:

Because he won't play the 3 tourneys in a row in clay this year (he isn't even sure if he will do 2 -Sopot is out, Kitzbuhel is in doubt-, he has 725 in optionals on July taht he won't defend), so as soon as next month Coria's ranking will fall, and these points will come into play then (his sixth optional till now was only 15 points)...

Of course it would be better if he does well like 2nd week, but he has a toguh draw, he may be tired (he played 2 matches today) and his shoulder is bothering him a bit, according to his own words...

jtipson
06-19-2004, 06:00 PM
It's too bad this tournament has a Sunday final.... then he has not one day off before traveling to London to play at Wimby....

Yes I was thinking that too, especially as Nottingham already finished. Pity that the finalists in Rosmalen are both in the top half of the draw, so they will actually have to play on Monday, unless Wimbledon give them a special arrangement.

akin
06-19-2004, 06:05 PM
Guille has now reached final in all 4 surfaces. He's also the player with more finals in the season (6). I hope he'll finally start to be considered an all-surface player...

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 06:07 PM
fco, why is he cutting back those tournaments? Some of those are worth a decent amount of points and he's just not going to play at all?

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 06:08 PM
Yes I was thinking that too, especially as Nottingham already finished. Pity that the finalists in Rosmalen are both in the top half of the draw, so they will actually have to play on Monday, unless Wimbledon give them a special arrangement.

Well so then they'd get one day off, have to play on Tuesday and then again on Wednesday.... where their 2nd rnd opponents would have the luxury of a day off in between. So it's not really all that much better.

Fostin
06-19-2004, 06:10 PM
I guess the MUST give him a special arrangment!!!! hello??!!

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 06:15 PM
It's Wimbledon, they don't have to do anything LOL

jtipson
06-19-2004, 06:19 PM
I guess the MUST give him a special arrangment!!!! hello??!!

When Sampras wanted to delay his start to Tuesday a couple of years ago, the most they offered was to put his match later on Monday, because they like to play the whole of one half in a day (fairer to the other players).

So if Sampras didn't get much change out of them, I doubt Coria or Llodra will.

And yes it would mean they'd have 2 days play in a row anyway :)

fco253
06-19-2004, 06:20 PM
fco, why is he cutting back those tournaments? Some of those are worth a decent amount of points and he's just not going to play at all?

Bunk:
Because the Olympics have compressed the schedule.

Last year, He did and won the 3 tourneys on a row (Stuttgart, Kitzbuhel and Sopot).
Then he flew to North America right away only to retire in 1st against Lopez.
He was dead after 15 matches on 20 days and he had to change surface and continent with no rest.

This year is worse: the sopot week has been supressed (and tourney moved to a no use date). So now the 2nd tourney (Kitz) is the week before Canada and Cincy, so if he goes far he would be in the same dragging situation as last year.

So he is only confirmed in Stuttgart. I think he will decide later about Kitz.

Claycourt season has suffered most of the Olympics damage, since also the big swing also lost a week.

akin
06-19-2004, 06:24 PM
Due to the Olympics he has to plan well. The Toronto TMS and Cinci TMS where he got there almost injured last year due to the marathon of Stuttgart, Kitz and Sopot. And then after the Olimpycs back to the US Open ... he might want to stay in hard surfaces.

akin
06-19-2004, 06:25 PM
fco253 :yeah:

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 06:26 PM
So if Sampras didn't get much change out of them, I doubt Coria or Llodra will.


Let's see.... someone who won it 7 times or someone who's never won a match... yea I think you're right jtipson :lol:

anyway, thanks for that info fco, I didn't realize the schedule was so messed up. That'll be too bad for him if he can't defend some of those points but it sounds like a good idea to try to pace better!

Havok
06-19-2004, 07:59 PM
Coria for Wimbledon 2004 :scared:

star
06-19-2004, 08:04 PM
It's too bad this tournament has a Sunday final.... then he has not one day off before traveling to London to play at Wimby....

The Ordina Open is quite kind to their finalists knowing the strain it puts on them to get to England. They make special travel arrangements for them. I know one year, Rafter got on a helicopeter the tournament had arranged for him.

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 08:07 PM
oh wow. that is nice of them.... but I'd think it'd still be even more preferable to have the final on Saturday?

rue
06-19-2004, 09:01 PM
I am really impressed by his progress on grass, considering that he had never won a match on grass before this week. He has got a real good chance, but I don't think he can get to the finals though the other players are too good for him but u just may never know.

MagoRG
06-19-2004, 09:27 PM
well we'll see come Wimby where his grass game really is. He faces another big server right off the bat and then probably Arthurs in R2 so we'll see if he can put it together at the slam. It's happened before where a player has done quite well in a small tournament with an average draw the week before a slam only to go out in the first round or two the following week ;)
You mean like andy on clay?? :)

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 09:29 PM
You mean like andy on clay?? :)

Pretty much :haha:

MagoRG
06-19-2004, 09:45 PM
Pretty much :haha:

yeah.....but actually....I think he will eventually play great at wimby.....you know....I mean...if Hewitt could....
This year getting to the 4th round will be a great result...and I think that´s possible

Deboogle!.
06-19-2004, 09:55 PM
I hope he does well. He has a tricky draw full of big servers and accomplished grasscourters. But he can do it :)

hitchhiker
06-20-2004, 02:13 AM
if he loses early at wimbledon, nottingham will be forgot quickly

rue
06-20-2004, 02:24 AM
He has done well to reach the finals at the Ordina Open but we will have to wait and see how he plays on Monday though.

star
06-20-2004, 02:34 AM
if he loses early at wimbledon, nottingham will be forgot quickly

lol..... That would depend on how Paradorn fares at Wimbledon, wouldn't it?

;) But I know what you mean.

But, if Guille doesn't win the title in Rosmalen, his achievement there will be soon forgotten. I think what this does is give Guille a confidence boost for Wimbledon, and I am sure he would love to have a grass court title to his credit. :)

fco253
06-20-2004, 02:47 AM
I think exactly the opposite.

Even if he leaves early in W, the fact he managed to won some matches in a row against good players and big servers will stay in his mind... his confidence will be diffrent in the coming years when he approaches the grass season.

hitchhiker
06-20-2004, 04:23 AM
in previous years roddick got laughed at when he lost early at the french open after some promising play in small tournaments
why should it be different for coria?

Fedex
06-20-2004, 04:54 AM
Imagine if Coria wins a grass title before Henman :eek: ;) If only Tim was smart and would play in these smaller tournements like the Ordina Open or Nottingham, he'd have atleast a few grass titles to his name. :rolleyes:

ktwtennis
06-20-2004, 11:54 AM
Coria obviously has the ability to play on any surface; however, he will always be suseptible to being overpowered. I would never call him a "grass king..."

Lalitha
06-20-2004, 05:02 PM
There is one and only grass king. No, not the king, the undisputed Monarch - and he is

Pete Sampras.