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Marseille, R2 Simon def Djocomic 6/2 6/7(6) 6/3

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:04 PM
A expected 3 set tank

Simon will beat him tommorrow. Djoko won't want to lose to some of his main rivals in the later rounds in such a meaningless tournament so will just lose against Simon and save face.

:yeah:

Nole never give up, he will fight tommorow!

Jaap loves gamble, so don't listen him;)

:haha: :haha:

Renaud
02-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Djocomic was broken twice in the first set, making a double fault on BPs each time. He was a UE machine the rest of the time, (40 cm out at least just to be sure he doesn't win too many points).
The only similarity with the player who won AO was the ball bouncing.

In the second set he pretended to fight but not too much. Simon wasted 1 MP and did not manage to finish the match though.

Simon broke in the third game of the third set.
Finally what we were all waiting happened: the trainer came at 4/1.
The end was boring like nothing else.

Congrats to Simon for beating David Guez in the first round. :yeah:
Let's not forget he is REALLY sick.

Jaap. :worship:

SwiSha
02-14-2008, 07:05 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssss

Jaap
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

hablovah19
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Bravo Simon! :woohoo:

richie21
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Djokovic = the next Korda :p

Fergie
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
:banana:

Bilbo
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
expected one

ugotlobbed
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
who is simon?

ufokart
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
This Jaap is good :haha:

Jaap
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
I'll let Bilbo or Escude to do the dedications.

Alex999
02-14-2008, 07:06 PM
Nice tanking job Novak. Why did you even bother playing?

*julie*
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
omg.. I thought Simon would blew it but he stayed focused in the third. Well done. :)

Sunset of Age
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Very crappy match indeed.

Djoko obviously playing WAY below his normal level, gave Simon gazzillions of chances to take the match in two sets, but Simon apparently was glued to the baseline and refused to take advantage of all the chances he got. Ugh.

gambit84
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Allez Poussin
Finally I really don't know why Djoko decided to play this tournament

Aloimeh
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Djokovic = the next Korda :p

I hope you realize how little he cares about Marseille, though. I wouldn't read too much into it.

acionescu
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
You all who predicted this: :worship:

Henry Chinaski
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
fighter this djokovic. battling his way through dizziness, low blood pressure, fucked up heart rate and all manner of problems. really desreved to win.

PS: expected result

Corey Feldman
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Bilbo
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
dedicated to fahrenhajt, tangerine_dream etc.

ReturnWinner
02-14-2008, 07:07 PM
well done Gilles :D :devil:

Nathaliia
02-14-2008, 07:08 PM
Nice job Jaap :worship: :wavey:

2moretogo
02-14-2008, 07:08 PM
:woohoo: Not high quality, but Simon managed to hang in there long enough to get the ufes from Djoko. Didn't know Simon was sick. Djoko when isn't he sick or injured.:devil:

Dimonator133
02-14-2008, 07:08 PM
who is simon?

:confused:

Savo
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Good one Nole. You just paid for my ski trip, not to mention a bunch of other things.

Easy money...

Now get some goddamn rest.

RogiRafaFan86
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Thank God. I just knew Simon was going to choke that away. A halfway stable player would have taken the Djoke out in two.

1) Excessive Ball Bouncing (with an actual time violation warning, :eek: ) - Check
2) Novak crouching down, breathing like had run a marathon, acting like he was going to pass out - Check
3) Trainers Called - Check

All the ingredients for a Djoker match were there. But he still lost.

richie21
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Nice tanking job Novak. Why did you even bother playing?

Money,money,money.....:music:

Voo de Mar
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
Djokovic saved MP and played another two points in the TB in a very good style. This is his first defeat of this kind in which he won a set after saving MP but lost a match.

Dimonator133
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
awful stuff, Novak

Aloimeh
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
So what's the verdict?

I'm gonna say a very well acted tank. But I'm not sure what the objective was...it's not like he had to play this.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Japp :smoke:

richie21
02-14-2008, 07:09 PM
I hope you realize how little he cares about Marseille, though. I wouldn't read too much into it.

I was Djoking ;)

madmanfool
02-14-2008, 07:10 PM
who is simon?

i hope you're joking
he's the defending champion

Nathaliia
02-14-2008, 07:10 PM
I hope you realize how little he cares about Marseille, though. I wouldn't read too much into it.
And Umag :p

It's obvious that some players don't care about some tournaments.

The difference between some players and some players is that some players don't show up at some MM tournaments.

jonny84
02-14-2008, 07:10 PM
:banghead: Djokovic.

:yeah: Simon. I suppose he did have the drive of being defending finalist.

muniu
02-14-2008, 07:11 PM
:o :tape:

TheBoiledEgg
02-14-2008, 07:11 PM
:devil:
he had it coming, amazing thing he didnt retire :bolt:

Corey Feldman
02-14-2008, 07:12 PM
Dedicated too Aloimeh, Farenhajt, Bascule, Alex, NikolaBGD, ezekiel, Manon, Savo, Srdjan and Dijana Djokovic.

Okonsky
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
Well done Simon. Good job!

Novak shouldn't play this tournament.

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
Nevermind!

See ya in California;)

This is 5 minutes for all haters...

mickymouse
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
He had his blood pressure taken at 4-1 in the last set.:haha:

Bilbo
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
why is only jaap getting credits? i posted it first in the gambling section :sad:

big balls this bilbo ;)

RickDaStick
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
It's time for the ATP to do something about the appearance money.These guys are constantly showing up to smaller tournaments, taking the huge appearance check while going out for a round or two with minimal effort and going home.

hiperborejac
02-14-2008, 07:13 PM
Over 50 UEs, 0/5 on break points. With this even Federer can beat him...

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Dedicated too Aloimeh, Farenhajt, Bascule, Alex, NikolaBGD, ezekiel, Srdjan and Dijana Djokovic.

and manon ? :speakles:

Guy Haines
02-14-2008, 07:14 PM
who is simon?

The cutest player in the ATP :devil:. And now one who finally got the win over a top player he's long deserved.

It's great to see Simon repeatedly fight off and come from behind against Djokovic in his service games during the third set. That's the fortitude he needs to progress, because he definitely has the forehand and the agility.

His conditioning is a bit better, too, but can still be improved. A shame he couldn't finish it in the second, but in the past he would have folded in the third. If he can keep this up and JW rallies, France is going to tougher than they've been in a while.

For Djokovic, it's a loss. All the hubris of recent times means people will celebrate this defeat :cool:, but Marseille isn't even a Masters. He's not unbeatable on hard courts though! And I still have serious doubts that he can sustain the kind of intensity he brought to Melbourne through the majority of a year.

Bravo Gilles! :D

camnation
02-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Ouch, you people are cruel. It was painful to watch, but I'm taking comfort in the fact that he didn't retire and finished the match! :dance: Hehe

Spes
02-14-2008, 07:15 PM
Good job Gilles. :D He is dangerous when playing well.

Bad result Nole, I know you'll bounce back. ;)

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Ouch, you people are cruel. It was painful to watch, but I'm taking comfort in the fact that he didn't retire and finished the match! :dance: Hehe

what ?

Dougie
02-14-2008, 07:17 PM
It looked like Djokovic was to just waiting for something to happen. He didn´t really try to force Simon out of his comfort zone. Nice win for Simon!

HeretiC
02-14-2008, 07:18 PM
We knew he is going to tank it. I just can't get it how Simon couldn't do the job in 2 sets?:eek:
And btw can anyone remember the last time a tennis player was being measured his blood pressure ? :confused:

Stasm
02-14-2008, 07:18 PM
who is simon?

Just a bad French player, unable to win a single set in Grand Slam tournament.

He loves the horrible surface of Marseille, so win it every year to keep him in the first 50.

cmurray
02-14-2008, 07:19 PM
Wow. I guess Nole should have sat this tourney out, huh? Was he still sick then?

Grunge
02-14-2008, 07:19 PM
So what's the verdict?

I'm gonna say a very well acted tank. But I'm not sure what the objective was...it's not like he had to play this.

Well, he had to play it because they gave him a lot of $$ and a Jet travel from Russia :p
I would preffer if he skipped this tournament, but he probably got an offer he couldnt refuse :devil: And it is good for the tournament too. If top players show more often on tours like this one they would become more attractive, even if they tank in first rounds. You cant say this was typical tank...Djokovic gave 3 setter show to audience where they home guy won at the end. So everyone was happy: crowd for domestic player win over nr. 3 in the world, tour directors because he showed up, and Djokovic because he got a lot of $$. I dont see why this isn't good :p

Corey Feldman
02-14-2008, 07:20 PM
and manon ? :speakles:
edited :p

just incase i forgot to say it before ...

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

HeretiC
02-14-2008, 07:20 PM
:devil:
he had it coming, amazing thing he didnt retire :bolt:

Why should he retire ? Did you see him running at all ?

Alex999
02-14-2008, 07:20 PM
It's time for the ATP to do something about the appearance money.These guys are constantly showing up to smaller tournaments, taking the huge appearance check while going out for a round or two with minimal effort and going home.

Agreed. I'm discussed with Novak today. Anybody who believes that Djokovic played today to win is delusional.

Corey Feldman
02-14-2008, 07:21 PM
Wow. I guess Nole should have sat this tourney out, huh? Was he still sick then?Nope Cheryl, he just made sure he got out before getting thrashed by Muzza in the Semis quite obviously.

Mĺnu
02-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Just a bad French player, unable to win a single set in Grand Slam tournament.

He loves the horrible surface of Marseille, so win it every year to keep him in the first 50.

Did he sleep with your girlfriend for you to be so angry at him? Just check your facts about Simon.

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Escude :hug:

I like you;)

Aloimeh
02-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Nope Cheryl, he just made sure he got out before getting thrashed by Muzza in the Semis quite obviously.

What will be hilarious is when Muzza gets thrashed by Gilliou, although that time Muzza won't be tanking.

tennizen
02-14-2008, 07:23 PM
:lol: I saw the first game of this match and knew he was going to lose it:lol: Probably to Giles credit that it went to three:)

Savo
02-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Well, he had to play it because they gave him a lot of $$ and a Jet travel from Russia :p
I would preffer if he skipped this tournament, but he probably got an offer he couldnt refuse :devil: And it is good for the tournament too. If top players show more often on tours like this one they would become more attractive, even if they tank in first rounds. You cant say this was typical tank...Djokovic gave 3 setter show to audience where they home guy won at the end. So everyone was happy: crowd for domestic player win over nr. 3 in the world, tour directors because he showed up, and Djokovic because he got a lot of $$. I dont see why this isn't good :p

It's all good in the hood! This was one of the smartest bets in the past couple of months...

hiperborejac
02-14-2008, 07:24 PM
For all Nole's haters: Prepare for pain after Nole's IW/Miami back to back titles:wavey:

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:24 PM
For all Nole's haters: Prepare for pain after Nole's IW/Miami back to back titles:wavey:

Sureee

:wavey:

Psichogauchovna
02-14-2008, 07:25 PM
this made my day :banana:

acionescu
02-14-2008, 07:25 PM
dedicated to fahrenhajt, tangerine_dream etc.

Bascule, Manon, NikolaBGD, Savo, MaryX, etc. Nice crop of new MTF posters ;)

vucina
02-14-2008, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the v-cash Nole. I could get rich on this guy.

TMJordan
02-14-2008, 07:25 PM
For all Nole's haters: Prepare for pain after Nole's IW/Miami back to back titles:wavey:

LoL

Not if he has to have his blood pressure taken :haha:

Alex999
02-14-2008, 07:25 PM
Dedicated too Aloimeh, Farenhajt, Bascule, Alex, NikolaBGD, ezekiel, Manon, Savo, Srdjan and Dijana Djokovic.

:haha: Thanks Escude for being so thoughtful.

Aloimeh
02-14-2008, 07:26 PM
For all Nole's haters: Prepare for pain after Nole's IW/Miami back to back titles:wavey:

My prediction is that he will either win both or only IW but not Miami.

TheBoiledEgg
02-14-2008, 07:28 PM
its times like these we had a Djoke Thread when he loses.

Jozie
02-14-2008, 07:28 PM
Just a bad French player, unable to win a single set in Grand Slam tournament.

He loves the horrible surface of Marseille, so win it every year to keep him in the first 50.

A potentially good and dangerous French player, who has the ability to take out Top 10 players. Allez Simon!!! :worship:

DhammaTiger
02-14-2008, 07:28 PM
Allez Gilles :hatoff:

Sunset of Age
02-14-2008, 07:33 PM
A potentially good and dangerous French player, who has the ability to take out Top 10 players. Allez Simon!!! :worship:

Yes, but I just can't help wondering about his tactics - being glued behind the baseline all the time, which actually cost him the 2nd set...

tennizen
02-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Well, he had to play it because they gave him a lot of $$ and a Jet travel from Russia :p
I would preffer if he skipped this tournament, but he probably got an offer he couldnt refuse :devil: And it is good for the tournament too. If top players show more often on tours like this one they would become more attractive, even if they tank in first rounds. You cant say this was typical tank...Djokovic gave 3 setter show to audience where they home guy won at the end. So everyone was happy: crowd for domestic player win over nr. 3 in the world, tour directors because he showed up, and Djokovic because he got a lot of $$. I dont see why this isn't good :p

:lol: Well said. He is definitely getting better at it. 3 set tank is nothing to be ashamed of. Looks like he learnt a lot from that Paris match with Santoro. Now I am awaiting for the brillance to descend upon us come IW/Miami

Grunge
02-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Btw, did you see Simon asking from umpire to give warning to Nole on match point in TB? :haha:
That would be an automatic win, because Nole was warned already few minutes before that. Did anyone lose match that way in history? :)

Yappa
02-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Good to see that there also some users who are just genuinely happy that Simon won. Congrats.

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:35 PM
Ok, Nole tank this match..

My question: Why he didn't give up in TB second set, he could lost first MP and lost this match, why he called a medical in third?!

Stupid gamblers story...Simon was better today, and that's all folks!

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:36 PM
Ok, Nole tnak this match..

My question: Why he didn't give up in TB second set, he could lost first MP and lost this match, why he called a medical in third?!

Stupid gamblers story...Simon was better today, and that's all folks!

did you watch the match?

Chiseller
02-14-2008, 07:36 PM
one slam wonder, expected

tennizen
02-14-2008, 07:36 PM
Ok, Nole tank this match..

My question: Why he didn't give up in TB second set, he could lost first MP and lost this match, why he called a medical in third?!

Stupid gamblers story...Simon was better today, and that's all folks!

Really:eek:. I thought the GOAT never has an off day:p

Mateya
02-14-2008, 07:37 PM
Just a bad French player, unable to win a single set in Grand Slam tournament.

He loves the horrible surface of Marseille, so win it every year to keep him in the first 50.

:retard: :retard: :retard:
And coming from :retard: with 11 posts

Tank or not, Gilles goes to QF. :)
I dont care what this ballbouncing fakervic was thinking. Thank god he is out of here. :)

Voo de Mar
02-14-2008, 07:40 PM
Btw, did you see Simon asking from umpire to give warning to Nole on match point in TB? :haha:
That would be an automatic win, because Nole was warned already few minutes before that. Did anyone lose match that way in history? :)

IMO it was a different story. The umpire said incorrect score - "6:5 Djokovic" instead of "6:5 Simon". Simon said to Lahyani that he leads not Djokovic :shrug:

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Tipsy and Zimonjic cancelled their matches this week.

Nole likes to show up everywhere, to try to do imposible... he must change this habbit!

No tank, Simon was better!

Voo de Mar
02-14-2008, 07:41 PM
My question: Why he didn't give up in TB second set, he could lost first MP and lost this match, why he called a medical in third?!


Didn't give up in the TB because he likes to improve his great TB-record :angel:

Savo
02-14-2008, 07:42 PM
Did anyone else get the impression that the umpire was high on sth?

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:42 PM
;)

Grunge
02-14-2008, 07:42 PM
IMO it was a different story. The umpire said incorrect score - "6:5 Djokovic" instead of "6:5 Simon". Simon said to Lahyani that he leads not Djokovic :shrug:

Possible. I was decieved by the guy who was comenting the match on our tv, because he said Simon is complaining. But I guess he was wrong, because he was very bad in his job :)

Corey Feldman
02-14-2008, 07:43 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

NikolaBGD
02-14-2008, 07:44 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

:worship::worship::worship:

Escude for president!

acionescu
02-14-2008, 07:44 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

:yeah:

Nathaliia
02-14-2008, 07:45 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif
Does she already know about the fix in Moya-Hernandez? :eek:

tennizen
02-14-2008, 07:45 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

:haha: :yeah:

Edit: Something tells me you have been waiting for a Djoker loss to post this;)

Aloimeh
02-14-2008, 07:46 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

:lol: See, unlike you, that wouldn't really piss me off. I would just laugh at it and say "we'll see."

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 07:47 PM
Escude - you're rocking tonight. Can we nominate him for an award?

Am strangely serene...

Sunset of Age
02-14-2008, 07:50 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

You are really enjoying yourself tonight, aren't you Mikey? :D

Albop
02-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Tipsy and Zimonjic cancelled their matches this week.

Nole likes to show up everywhere, to try to do imposible... he must change this habbit!

No tank, Simon was better!

how is the fairytails land these days ? :wavey:

JBdV
02-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Well done Gilles :yeah:

hiperborejac
02-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Escude - you're rocking tonight. Can we nominate him for an award?

Am strangely serene...

Yes something like MTFFP award (MTF funniest poster) or for Best Achievement in Djokohating award ;)

bokehlicious
02-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

:haha: :haha: :haha:

jazar
02-14-2008, 08:04 PM
simon is really coming along. top 10 soon i is reckoning

zcess81
02-14-2008, 08:05 PM
Nope Cheryl, he just made sure he got out before getting thrashed by Muzza in the Semis quite obviously.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: Losing to Murray...that's a good one. You're funny.

And last time I checked it was Novak that did all the trashing every time he played Murray the I.T Guy.

And another thing...Novak plays his best at important tournaments (i.e grand slams and masters) and sometimes (i.e tonight) plays badly and loses at MM tournaments. Murray is the complete opposite!

PiggyGotRoasted
02-14-2008, 08:09 PM
You could say novak is like davydenko in other words zcess81

zcess81
02-14-2008, 08:10 PM
What will be hilarious is when Muzza gets thrashed by Gilliou, although that time Muzza won't be tanking.

Murray can't afford to tank a match...any match! Novak can.

NinaNina19
02-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Muzza frightened him. AJMO NOLE!!! We need more Escude in this thread. I'm so sad we didn't get to see a Muzza-Nole thrashing.

zcess81
02-14-2008, 08:11 PM
You could say novak is like davydenko in other words zcess81

Maybe...but he's defiantly not as OBVIOUS as Davydenko.

Bascule
02-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Dedicated too Aloimeh, Farenhajt, Bascule, Alex, NikolaBGD, ezekiel, Manon, Savo, Srdjan and Dijana Djokovic.

Thanks, dear!:inlove:And happy Valentine's day.

Albop
02-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Murray can't afford to tank a match...any match! Novak can.

you are pathetic man/women

Albop
02-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Maybe...but he's defiantly not as OBVIOUS as Davydenko.

suuurrreee , nobody knows that he tanked :rolleyes:

Okonsky
02-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Bascule, Manon, NikolaBGD, Savo, MaryX, etc. Nice crop of new MTF posters ;)

Leave us to cry in the dark;)

Anyway, Simon was better and that's it.

tennizen
02-14-2008, 08:17 PM
Leave us to cry in the dark;)

Anyway, Simon was better and that's it.

You don't think Djokovic tanked this match because it wasn't a grandslam?

zcess81
02-14-2008, 08:17 PM
suuurrreee , nobody knows that he tanked :rolleyes:

Well he didn't get warned by the umpire for "not trying"...Davydenko did.

But the biggest hint was when he was 1 set down and playing really bad in the second and camera shows Vajda laughing and playing around with Novak's woman...looks like they planned it together:)

Merton
02-14-2008, 08:18 PM
So Nole is not going undefeated for the year. The golden slam is still on.

Albop
02-14-2008, 08:18 PM
You don't think Djokovic tanked this match because it wasn't a grandslam?

he lives in the fairytale land

Merton
02-14-2008, 08:19 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

... The obvious conclusion is that Simon is the undisputed GOAT.

jasmin
02-14-2008, 08:22 PM
I am surprised he was playing this week since he retired during fed cup.

zcess81
02-14-2008, 08:26 PM
I am surprised he was playing this week since he retired during fed cup.

$$$$ who can refuse it?

Merton
02-14-2008, 08:32 PM
It's time for the ATP to do something about the appearance money.These guys are constantly showing up to smaller tournaments, taking the huge appearance check while going out for a round or two with minimal effort and going home.

An interesting point, ATP should not intervene on the matter, in my opinion. Eventually reputations will take care of the problem of players tanking, that is a part of the reason Roger is commanding big appearance fees from, say, Dubai is his stellar record in optional tournaments. Conversely, somebody like Safin could not possibly get the same amount of money, even back in his good days.

The tournament may also just refuse to pay, it is unlikely that a player would bring them to court.

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 08:40 PM
An interesting point, ATP should not intervene on the matter, in my opinion. Eventually reputations will take care of the problem of players tanking, that is a part of the reason Roger is commanding big appearance fees from, say, Dubai is his stellar record in optional tournaments. Conversely, somebody like Safin could not possibly get the same amount of money, even back in his good days.

The tournament may also just refuse to pay, it is unlikely that a player would bring them to court.

Have always found the whole issue of appearance money very murky. It's the topic in tennis which dare not speak its name...

Assume it is an unconditional payout - ie a guarantee? Or do the tournaments try to ring fence it - ie you only get it if you stick around at least until the semis.

Nole's loss today was so very predictable, especially after the DC drop-out in Moscow and yet Marseille still seem to have been happy to cough up for the private jet and whatsoever his management had demanded.

Okonsky
02-14-2008, 08:43 PM
he lives in the fairytale land

Gosh, you're so mean...almost unbelievable.

tangerine_dream
02-14-2008, 08:43 PM
120 posts while other score threads can barely manage 10. Nice one, Novak (Simon). :cool:

Djokovic crashes out in Marseille

Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic, who suffered a crippling fever on Davis Cup duty at the weekend, slumped to defeat at the Marseille Open on Thursday.

The Serbian top seed, and world number three, playing his first match since suffering from flu at the Davis Cup World Group clash against Russia in Moscow, fell 6-2, 6-7 (6/8), 6-3 to unseeded Frenchman Gilles Simon.

Djokovic missed three days of practice ahead of last week's tie and was forced to skip his opening singles rubber in Moscow.

Despite opening up a two-set lead over Nikolay Davydenko in Sunday's reverse singles, the 20-year-old was forced to retire as his legs got heavier and his body more weary.

"I wasn't 100 percent," said Djokovic. "When you aren't 100 percent against a player like Simon, you cannot win."

Simon, the world number 30, broke in the seventh game of the first set which he took in 25 minutes. Djokovic led 4-1 in the second set tie-break before having to save a match point on his way to levelling the tie.

The Serbian star was visibly weakening in the third set and at 4-1 down in the final set he was forced to call the trainer to the court.

Simon duly wrapped up the set and the match and will now face eight-seeded compatriot Paul-Henri Mathieu, who put out another Frenchman, Michael Llodra 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (7/5) in the last eight.

Bilbo
02-14-2008, 08:45 PM
120 posts while other score threads can barely manage 10. Nice one, Novak (Simon). :cool:

i dedicated mine to you :cool:

Merton
02-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Have always found the whole issue of appearance money very murky. It's the topic in tennis which dare not speak its name...

Assume it is an unconditional payout - ie a guarantee? Or do the tournaments try to ring fence it - ie you only get it if you stick around at least until the semis.

Nole's loss today was so very predictable, especially after the DC drop-out in Moscow and yet Marseille still seem to have been happy to cough up for the private jet and whatsoever his management had demanded.

It cannot be conditional, ie. contingent on performance because injuries do happen and upsets do happen at the ATP level. The interesting question is why the tournaments don't just increase the winner fees proportionally. That creates equal incentives for all players to enter, without preventing the entry of the stars anyway.

Rogieva
02-14-2008, 08:45 PM
:woohoo:

Tnn74
02-14-2008, 08:46 PM
:o Never saw this one comin' :rolleyes:

Merton
02-14-2008, 08:47 PM
120 posts while other score threads can barely manage 10. Nice one, Novak (Simon). :cool:

Djokovic crashes out in Marseille

Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic, who suffered a crippling fever on Davis Cup duty at the weekend, slumped to defeat at the Marseille Open on Thursday.

The Serbian top seed, and world number three, playing his first match since suffering from flu at the Davis Cup World Group clash against Russia in Moscow, fell 6-2, 6-7 (6/8), 6-3 to unseeded Frenchman Gilles Simon.

Djokovic missed three days of practice ahead of last week's tie and was forced to skip his opening singles rubber in Moscow.

Despite opening up a two-set lead over Nikolay Davydenko in Sunday's reverse singles, the 20-year-old was forced to retire as his legs got heavier and his body more weary.

"I wasn't 100 percent," said Djokovic. "When you aren't 100 percent against a player like Simon, you cannot win."
Simon, the world number 30, broke in the seventh game of the first set which he took in 25 minutes. Djokovic led 4-1 in the second set tie-break before having to save a match point on his way to levelling the tie.

The Serbian star was visibly weakening in the third set and at 4-1 down in the final set he was forced to call the trainer to the court.

Simon duly wrapped up the set and the match and will now face eight-seeded compatriot Paul-Henri Mathieu, who put out another Frenchman, Michael Llodra 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (7/5) in the last eight.

That is more worrying than the loss, when you are not 100% you stay home, you muppet :smash:

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 08:53 PM
It cannot be conditional, ie. contingent on performance because injuries do happen and upsets do happen at the ATP level. The interesting question is why the tournaments don't just increase the winner fees proportionally. That creates equal incentives for all players to enter, without preventing the entry of the stars anyway.

The stars are the ones needing the incentive, over and above the prize money, so there's your answer. I would like to know how far down the AM goes - top 10? Presume Djokovic wouldn't have got it a year ago...

And if it's under the table does the player declare it as taxable earnings?

Grunge
02-14-2008, 09:00 PM
The stars are the ones needing the incentive, over and above the prize money, so there's your answer. I would like to know how far down the AM goes - top 10? Presume Djokovic wouldn't have got it a year ago...

And if it's under the table does the player declare it as taxable earnings?

Deppends on fact how much money you can give as gift by the law of specific country. For example if you can give 100 000$ as gift, player can get AM and no one need to pay taxes I guess. But I doubt you can give that much money as gift by any law. So player probably pay tax on it, but the amount is secret from public.

Merton
02-14-2008, 09:08 PM
The stars are the ones needing the incentive, over and above the prize money, so there's your answer. I would like to know how far down the AM goes - top 10? Presume Djokovic wouldn't have got it a year ago...

And if it's under the table does the player declare it as taxable earnings?

Let me clarify the point, because I think it is interesting. Suppose for simplicity that the champion's fee in Marseille is $100 and Marseille offers an appearance fee of $50. The probability of Djokovic winning outright the event is 50%. Then a zero appearance fee and a champion's fee of $200 leaves Djokovic indifferent between the two payoff structures. In both cases Djokovic is expected to make $200. (abstracting from risk) The tournament ends up paying more, but that should be ok because there is the added possibility of getting more attractive players to enter.

Taxes can certainly be an important issue, still I would guess that the appearance money cannot be given under the table, so it has to be taxed. However, it may be taxed at a different rate than performance related money. That would make a difference.

Skyward
02-14-2008, 09:20 PM
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.



http://bestsmileys.com/lol/18.gif

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 09:21 PM
Let me clarify the point, because I think it is interesting. Suppose for simplicity that the champion's fee in Marseille is $100 and Marseille offers an appearance fee of $50. The probability of Djokovic winning outright the event is 50%. Then a zero appearance fee and a champion's fee of $200 leaves Djokovic indifferent between the two payoff structures. In both cases Djokovic is expected to make $200. (abstracting from risk) The tournament ends up paying more, but that should be ok because there is the added possibility of getting more attractive players to enter.

Taxes can certainly be an important issue, still I would guess that the appearance money cannot be given under the table, so it has to be taxed. However, it may be taxed at a different rate than performance related money. That would make a difference.

It is certainly an interesting topic and am surprised it is not more widely discussed. Not convinced though. Can't see how his chance of winning, or anyone else's, could ever be high enough to make the no-guarantee option attractive enough.

How much do you think Dubai play Fed and Nadal each year to ensure they make the trip? Way, way above the top prize I'll be bound.

Jadranka
02-14-2008, 09:23 PM
Nole :hug:

Well done Simon :yeah:

sawan66278
02-14-2008, 09:24 PM
Originally Posted by Escude View Post
Interview with Gilles Simon's Mother Mireille:

Mireille Simon: The King is dead, long live the new king.



Post of the year (so far).;)

I didn't watch the match, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that this was a "tank" job. Let's face it: the year is long...and when scheduling is done, by all appearances, the Two Stooges...you get results like this.

I think quite a few players (and I put Roger in this if he is actually playing Stockholm) are forgetting: this is an Olympic year. Wait and see what happens when October and November roll around. I predict: Fat Dave World Tour 2008.

As far as the injury timeout in third, I guess Novak didn't see the memo: the Oscars ballots have already been mailed back to the Academy.;)

Grunge
02-14-2008, 09:26 PM
I just googled a bit and found following question and answer:

Q: "How much money can I give to my mom, yet she or I will not pay taxes?"

A: "You can give your mom up to $12000 each year as a gift. If you do give her $20K, you went over the $12K in one year and would have to file a gift tax form 709. (The tax is calculated, but not paid until you make $1Million in taxable gifts in your life time. The taxable gifts reduce the exclusion for your estate when you die.)"

This is in USA I guess. So if other countries have something similar, it could be a way to give tax free award money. I assume player will not get 1 million$ AM from single tournament in his lifetime :)

TMJordan
02-14-2008, 09:29 PM
Thanks for deleting my posts, you suck mods :wavey:

Grunge
02-14-2008, 09:35 PM
Post of the year (so far).;)


I think quite a few players (and I put Roger in this if he is actually playing Stockholm) are forgetting: this is an Olympic year. Wait and see what happens when October and November roll around. I predict: Fat Dave World Tour 2008.


Thats true. It will be like last season. Dave will go for his extreme sports passion and he will come back fresh after USO and clean the floor with Fed, Nole and Nadal (they will be too tired of tennis at that point).

Sunset of Age
02-14-2008, 09:37 PM
Thats true. It will be like last season. Dave will go for his extreme sports passion and he will come back fresh after USO and clean the floor with Fed, Nole and Nadal (they will be too tired of tennis at that point).

Could well be. Just like last year, he might end up as the Year's #9 by winning only two tournaments. :p

alfonsojose
02-14-2008, 09:38 PM
:haha: :haha:

scarecrows
02-14-2008, 09:39 PM
lol, a new low losing to Simple SImon

Sleepwalker64
02-14-2008, 09:40 PM
Maybe we should made a special ejaculation thread? And than...post coital cigarette thread?:lol:

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 09:41 PM
Maybe we should made a special ejaculation thread? And than...post coital cigarette thread?:lol:


????

Did I miss something?

rofe
02-14-2008, 09:56 PM
120 posts while other score threads can barely manage 10. Nice one, Novak (Simon). :cool:

Djokovic crashes out in Marseille

Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic, who suffered a crippling fever on Davis Cup duty at the weekend, slumped to defeat at the Marseille Open on Thursday.

The Serbian top seed, and world number three, playing his first match since suffering from flu at the Davis Cup World Group clash against Russia in Moscow, fell 6-2, 6-7 (6/8), 6-3 to unseeded Frenchman Gilles Simon.

Djokovic missed three days of practice ahead of last week's tie and was forced to skip his opening singles rubber in Moscow.

Despite opening up a two-set lead over Nikolay Davydenko in Sunday's reverse singles, the 20-year-old was forced to retire as his legs got heavier and his body more weary.

"I wasn't 100 percent," said Djokovic. "When you aren't 100 percent against a player like Simon, you cannot win."

Simon, the world number 30, broke in the seventh game of the first set which he took in 25 minutes. Djokovic led 4-1 in the second set tie-break before having to save a match point on his way to levelling the tie.

The Serbian star was visibly weakening in the third set and at 4-1 down in the final set he was forced to call the trainer to the court.

Simon duly wrapped up the set and the match and will now face eight-seeded compatriot Paul-Henri Mathieu, who put out another Frenchman, Michael Llodra 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (7/5) in the last eight.

And yet if Fed had said this at the AO, he would be branded a sore loser. :lol:

Bascule
02-14-2008, 10:14 PM
Maybe we should made a special ejaculation thread? And than...post coital cigarette thread?:lol:

:yeah:

Herdwick
02-14-2008, 10:16 PM
:yeah:

I did miss something! Please explain...

Sleepwalker64
02-14-2008, 10:22 PM
You missed ejaculation scene?:haha:
Well..."Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss" I use only when kids are not at home.
Try it here http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=117576

Tommy fan
02-14-2008, 10:22 PM
:)

rocketassist
02-14-2008, 10:23 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha: Losing to Murray...that's a good one. You're funny.

And last time I checked it was Novak that did all the trashing every time he played Murray the I.T Guy.

And another thing...Novak plays his best at important tournaments (i.e grand slams and masters) and sometimes (i.e tonight) plays badly and loses at MM tournaments. Murray is the complete opposite!

And the reason you're bigging up a top 3 player against a home player? Glory hunter!

As for Simon, he is the PMB.

au_sports_opinion
02-14-2008, 10:29 PM
Lets hope nobody put their mortages on him.

Lee
02-14-2008, 11:55 PM
120 posts while other score threads can barely manage 10. Nice one, Novak (Simon). :cool:

Djokovic crashes out in Marseille

Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic, who suffered a crippling fever on Davis Cup duty at the weekend, slumped to defeat at the Marseille Open on Thursday.

The Serbian top seed, and world number three, playing his first match since suffering from flu at the Davis Cup World Group clash against Russia in Moscow, fell 6-2, 6-7 (6/8), 6-3 to unseeded Frenchman Gilles Simon.

Djokovic missed three days of practice ahead of last week's tie and was forced to skip his opening singles rubber in Moscow.

Despite opening up a two-set lead over Nikolay Davydenko in Sunday's reverse singles, the 20-year-old was forced to retire as his legs got heavier and his body more weary.

"I wasn't 100 percent," said Djokovic. "When you aren't 100 percent against a player like Simon, you cannot win."

Simon, the world number 30, broke in the seventh game of the first set which he took in 25 minutes. Djokovic led 4-1 in the second set tie-break before having to save a match point on his way to levelling the tie.

The Serbian star was visibly weakening in the third set and at 4-1 down in the final set he was forced to call the trainer to the court.

Simon duly wrapped up the set and the match and will now face eight-seeded compatriot Paul-Henri Mathieu, who put out another Frenchman, Michael Llodra 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (7/5) in the last eight.


:silly: Poor Dodig is a really nobody :tape:

platinum
02-15-2008, 12:12 AM
Djokovic = the next Korda :p

Ouch.

Kolya
02-15-2008, 12:59 AM
Good win Simon :yeah:

my0118
02-15-2008, 04:19 AM
Ok, Nole tank this match..

My question: Why he didn't give up in TB second set, he could lost first MP and lost this match, why he called a medical in third?!

Stupid gamblers story...Simon was better today, and that's all folks!

He was supposed to, but he finally got in his mind he couldn't simply lose that sucky Simon as a GS champ after realising that Simon coudn't take advantage of chances he'd given.

I didn't see the 3rd set though, but 2nd set was indeed hilarious.
Novak was funny, but Simon was funnier.

RogerFan82
02-15-2008, 04:20 AM
This Djokovic is a wuss!!! He breaks down more often than all WTA b**ches put together. It seems like he has to call a trainer and take treatment every other match. And he does that insane ball bouncing just to get his breath back. Shameless cheat!

I have to admit that he is very talented. But I hate his antics.

VolandriFan
02-15-2008, 05:38 AM
What a great scalp for Gilles.

dylan24
02-15-2008, 06:50 AM
well done simon

Allure
02-15-2008, 08:04 AM
Gilles Simon is the real French number one.

Truc
02-15-2008, 08:17 AM
I thought Caujolle (tournament director of Marseille) would be mad at Djokovic since he also was the director of Bercy, but he seems cool with it. It doesn't fool him, he knows Djokovic didn't try (he calls it "a sort of nonchalance on the court", lol), but says "I am a masochist and I will probably invite him next year again". ^^

Jean-François CAUJOLLE, le directeur de l’Open 13, n’est pas dupe. Il sait que Djokovic n’a pas donné son maximum contre Simon, mais il le prend avec détachement : « Je ne dirais pas qu’il est coutumier du fait, mais il aune forme de nonchalance sur le court. Mais, comme je suis maso, je le reprendrai sans doute l’année prochaine. »

Black Adam
02-15-2008, 08:45 AM
Didn't realise that Simon is the kind of player you can only beat when you are 100% :lol:

Beat
02-15-2008, 09:20 AM
1) Excessive Ball Bouncing (with an actual time violation warning, :eek: ) - Check
2) Novak crouching down, breathing like had run a marathon, acting like he was going to pass out - Check
3) Trainers Called - Check

All the ingredients for a Djoker match were there. But he still lost.

:lol: good one, simon.

Adler
02-15-2008, 09:22 AM
I like the word 'Djocomic'. This can be a good pseudo, it's better than DJoker

http://www.halloweencostumes4u.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000003/4189.jpg

Fedforever
02-15-2008, 10:36 AM
I like the word 'Djocomic'. This can be a good pseudo, it's better than DJoker

http://www.halloweencostumes4u.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000003/4189.jpg

Woooh, are you serious :lol:? When I see the picture, I think about Devil :mad:.

Black Adam
02-15-2008, 11:54 AM
The Joker has so many different portrayals but the classic version is the long grin, green eyes and green hair.
http://www.atpmastersseries.tv/javaImages/c6/3e/0,,11444%7E3358406,00.jpg

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/joker_poster.jpg

With make up he could actually pull it off.

Kolya
02-15-2008, 11:59 AM
Nole is waiting for TMS Rotterdam.

Daniel
02-15-2008, 12:21 PM
Well done Simon :kiss: