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Which country's players are better? Croatia's or Serbia's?

NinaNina19
02-13-2008, 05:48 PM
Yes Djokovic has won a GS and Tipsarevic pushed Federer to his limit, but the Croatians have more several players inside the top 40 while Serbia only has 1.

NinaNina19
02-13-2008, 06:00 PM
Tied.

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 06:06 PM
Croatia has more history, but Serbia seems quite capable of catching up. Right now no strong contender appears to be looming on Croatian horizon (boy, can I go tacky or what?), so for the next (quite a) few seasons, I think Serbia will have the upper hand. (Also add the WTA to the equation, if you like.)

Bascule
02-13-2008, 06:07 PM
Mario def. Tsonga today, that makes croatian players position looks better. Still serbian players have better results at this moment.

*Viva Chile*
02-13-2008, 06:13 PM
This Yugoslavs are good :yeah: :p

RaVeR
02-13-2008, 06:17 PM
for sure Croatia
why?
MArio deserves to be in TOP 10 at leaset!
Karlovic is TOP 20 player
Cilic is material TOP 30 player for sure
Ljubicic is still player which deserves to be in TOP 30
Karanusic is TOP100 player

Jadranka
02-13-2008, 06:18 PM
Well, I would say Croatia + Serbia > Rest of the world :)

Jaap
02-13-2008, 06:32 PM
Two tin pot countries.

Who cares?

Stgobaiano
02-13-2008, 06:35 PM
Well, I would say Croatia + Serbia > Rest of the world :)

No Jady

Spanish Speakers>Rest of the world;)

Obviously Marat is a Spanish Speaker:)

Chiseller
02-13-2008, 06:38 PM
If Yugoslavia still would be a country, then it would be > *.

atp cro > srb
wta srb > cro

Jadranka
02-13-2008, 06:39 PM
No Jady

Spanish Speakers>Rest of the world;)

Obviously Marat is a Spanish Speaker:)

Maybe.. but, Karlovacko pivo > Chilenian Beer :p

Apemant
02-13-2008, 06:41 PM
Right now Nole singlehandedly beats aynthing Croatia has to offer... present and past. I mean, I liked Goran a lot but he was mostly serve... Nole is more of a complete player, and I'm quite sure he won't stop at just 1 GS like Goran.

Stgobaiano
02-13-2008, 06:43 PM
Maybe.. but, Karlovacko pivo > Chilenian Beer :p


Of course;)Karlovacko rocks:worship:

But Piscola and Cuba Libre are quite good too:)

*julie*
02-13-2008, 06:43 PM
I prefer the game of the croatians in general.

Dimonator133
02-13-2008, 06:53 PM
worthless question at best

Serbia has the best player (Djokovic), but Croatia is MUCH deeper. So if I assume what the question is getting at, which is which country is better at tennis, I would say Croatia. But again, Serbia has the best PLAYER. It's a horribly phrased question.

scoobs
02-13-2008, 06:54 PM
I know how to approach this.

First, find a definition of "better" that everybody can agree with.

Then it should be very easy to decide.

Good luck!

Manon
02-13-2008, 07:03 PM
Cro has more good players, many more. I don't know what else to say.

Dzordzzz!
02-13-2008, 07:09 PM
Hard question.I would say that Joker makes difference for Serbia but Croatia has them more...In the moment Serbia,but not slightly better.

Tzar
02-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Serbians :rocker:

*Viva Chile*
02-13-2008, 07:37 PM
Maybe.. but, Karlovacko pivo > Chilenian Beer :p

Croat-chilean girls are :drool:

so we can be proud for something in common ;)

Stgobaiano
02-13-2008, 07:40 PM
Croat-chilean girls are :drool:

so we can be proud for something in common ;)


I played Basketball some years ago in Estadio Croata(in santiago) and Croatians girls are:worship:

Branimir
02-13-2008, 07:54 PM
WTA, Serbia is miles better.
ATP, Croatia is better, because more quality players, but Tennis wasn't much of a sport in Serbia at all, until now.
Janko and Viktor should be a lot better so Serbia can be good as Croatia. If Djokovic was top10+, the question would be very easy, but because he is so good, and Janko always plays interesting matches, it's close.

sigmagirl91
02-13-2008, 08:00 PM
for sure Croatia
why?
MArio deserves to be in TOP 10 at leaset!
Karlovic is TOP 20 player
Cilic is material TOP 30 player for sure
Ljubicic is still player which deserves to be in TOP 30
Karanusic is TOP100 player

No one is talking about potential; we're talking what IS right now. With that said, Serbia.

Dimonator133
02-13-2008, 08:05 PM
isn't it Serbs, not SERBIANS?:shrug::nerner:

ReturnWinner
02-13-2008, 08:07 PM
Serbia

*snowflake*
02-13-2008, 08:11 PM
I really don't get this constant need for approval by a third party, but shoot i'll play...

Djokovic and Zimonjic together have 4 Grand Slam titles, 5 Slam finals, 5 Masters and a total of 25 won titles. Just the 2 of them...

Ljubicic, Ancic and Karlovic together have 19 titles...(ETA)of which no Masters, no Grand Slams

sigmagirl91
02-13-2008, 08:16 PM
I really don't get this constant need for approval by a third party, but shoot i'll play...

Djokovic and Zimonjic together have 4 Grand Slam titles, 5 Slam finals, 5 Masters and a total of 25 won titles. Just the 2 of them...

Ljubicic, Ancic and Karlovic together have 19 titles.

Thanks.

ASP0315
02-13-2008, 09:15 PM
in wta it is Serbia is way better.
in atp, Croatia is better.(as they got a lot of depth .)

Alex999
02-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Both Serbia and Croatia have excellent players especially considering their size. I'm also very surprised that Croats and Serbs here get along pretty well. It's kinda cool.

scarecrows
02-13-2008, 09:52 PM
Ljubicic is still player which deserves to be in TOP 30


:eek:

someone hacked RaVeR's account

Apemant
02-15-2008, 04:31 PM
isn't it Serbs, not SERBIANS?:shrug::nerner:

Precisely... Serbs and Croats, not Serbians and Croatians. Those latter forms are adjectives.

Julio1974
02-15-2008, 04:41 PM
Serbia has the best player and Croatia the biggest clown.

Mario000
02-15-2008, 04:48 PM
interesting thread

goran_the_2nd
02-15-2008, 05:08 PM
i suppose serbian mens tennis is better at this moment.. we cannot ignore djoko's GS title :-)
our top ranked guys are currently a little bit out of form, but ancic is finally back so we'll see how will that go till the end of year.. :)

btw i could just laugh at those comments that goran was serve only.. i know you're young, but still.. u should ask your parents if you dont know better.

Nadie
02-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Serbia

KaxMisha
02-15-2008, 05:27 PM
I think that it depends very much on the format chosen to decide this. Clearly, Serbia has the best player (Djokovic) and possibly (though less clear) the best doubles team as well (Djokovic and Zimonjic). Thus, in a Davis Cup match, I think Serbia would win more often than not. However, in a format that rewards depth and/or that disregards doubles, Croatia would have the upper hand.

Grunge
02-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Both Serbia and Croatia have excellent players especially considering their size. I'm also very surprised that Croats and Serbs here get along pretty well. It's kinda cool.

Yes, tennis is probably only sport where many (most?) fans from Croatia cheer for Serbs and vice versa. Goran alone took away few years of my life in all those Wimbledon finals he lost :) And now when we have Super Mario back it will be a real joy to watch masters and grand slams: Mario, Nole, Cilic and Tipsa - I love to watch them on court :worship:
Btw, maybe officials of theese two countries could learn something from our tennis fans, players and coaches...we can achieve much more if we help and support each other.
:wavey:

Svetlana.
02-15-2008, 06:45 PM
Why did you want to compare these two countries?

TMJordan
02-15-2008, 06:48 PM
Croatia forsure.

Apemant
02-15-2008, 08:01 PM
btw i could just laugh at those comments that goran was serve only.. i know you're young, but still.. u should ask your parents if you dont know better.

I said 'mostly serve', not 'serve only'. And I've been watching Goran since he was 19. If you disagree with me, then how would you describe Goran's strengths? Besides that amazing serve, I can't think of anything else honestly. His volleys were competent at best, but not in the league of Rafter, Sampras or Henman; his baseline play was average. Basically, he was a hit-or-miss kind of a guy who would mostly go for broke. Either hit a return winner or just miss. On serve, the same thing: hit an ace, then a DF, etc. On a good day, he could beat anyone like that, just anyone. But on a bad day, he could lose to all sorts of journeymen.

Since I usually rooted for him to win, that habit was giving me headaches...

HeretiC
02-15-2008, 10:30 PM
Not while ago Croatia by far, although at this moment Serbia has the upper hand. But with Ancic back where he belongs and uprising Cilic it might be close until the end of the year.

vidanhv
02-15-2008, 10:37 PM
Well, I would say Croatia + Serbia > Rest of the world :)

I'm with u! :worship:

vidanhv
02-15-2008, 10:40 PM
Serbia has the best player and Croatia the biggest clown.
??????????? So whos the clown?????????

Sean.J.S.
02-16-2008, 06:51 AM
Serbia without a doubt. They have three top five players whereas Croatia has nobody inside the top 20.

serve_it_up
02-16-2008, 11:08 AM
croatia. considering the history, they had/have more prolific players, and definetely more depth.
serbia is catching up though..
so i'd agree with Croatia + Serbia > Rest of the world haha

but y do these countries excel with such a small population and size compared to..lets say australia?

well id say its the location..prime position to travel to all parts of europe for tournaments therefore different types of opponents to deal with etc, reach best facilities available and the drive for a better life (considering the past situation of both countries) and tennis is very popular there.

on the other hand, Australia is isolated..therefore most tennis players here peak couple years later than other tennis players..eg. molik, arthurs, dellaqua..hewitt being the exception i guess..

daddy
02-16-2008, 11:58 AM
Croatia by far. Only consistent player that Sers have is half Croatian (Djokovics Mom is Croatian)

Andi-M
02-16-2008, 11:59 AM
Quality over quantity ---> Serbia

maxxo
02-16-2008, 12:18 PM
[QUOTE=Apemant;6583194] Besides that amazing serve, I can't think of anything else honestly. His volleys were competent at best, but not in the league of Rafter, Sampras or Henman; his baseline play was average. [QUOTE]


maybe this highlight will refresh your memory

two masters at work :worship:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Cx0zj5Dzk

*snowflake*
02-16-2008, 01:36 PM
Croatia by far. Only consistent player that Sers have is half Croatian (Djokovics Mom is Croatian)

lmao by that logic Ljubicic is not Croatian, nor ic Cilic...

Aloimeh
02-16-2008, 02:23 PM
lmao by that logic Ljubicic is not Croatian, nor ic Cilic...

Is Djokovic's mother really a hrvatica or is she a srpkinja iz hrvatske?

In any case, wasn't Ivanisevic half Serb (his father)? The only other Ivanisevics I've heard of are Serbs, as well as the Ivanics and the Ivanovics.

Federerhingis
02-16-2008, 02:33 PM
At the moment the Serbians, yes the Croatians aren't shabby at all, I mean they have pretty big servers Ancic, Karlovic and Ljubicic, but Novak alone puts the Serbians with the edge. Tipsarevic, has so much potential and his game seems very effective, it's only been injuries that have kept him from climbing higher on the ranks.

Nonetheless, Ivan has really lost his edge, and all confidence on his game, especially that forehand which used to be his achilles heel. Plus his age is no help, he can only get older. The Serbian team overall is composed of up and comers and a really young superstar in Novak. ;)

ExcaliburII
02-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Ivanisevic > Djokovic

TMJordan
02-16-2008, 02:36 PM
Ivanisevic > Djokovic

:worship:

Nathaliia
02-16-2008, 02:41 PM
Karanusic > Troicki :p.

Seriously, it's a tough call, but since Ivan Dodig plays for CRO these days :p I'm gonna vote Croatia.

daddy
02-16-2008, 08:24 PM
lmao by that logic Ljubicic is not Croatian, nor ic Cilic...

Ljubicic's father is Croatian and mother is Bosnian muslim, Cilic is 100% Croatian from Bosnia. So yes, they're both Croatian!

daddy
02-16-2008, 08:26 PM
Is Djokovic's mother really a hrvatica or is she a srpkinja iz hrvatske?

In any case, wasn't Ivanisevic half Serb (his father)? The only other Ivanisevics I've heard of are Serbs, as well as the Ivanics and the Ivanovics.


Ivanisevic is Croatian, his family is old family from Split.

Rogiman
02-16-2008, 08:38 PM
Croatian posters >>>>>> Serbian posters

Deathless Mortal
02-16-2008, 08:43 PM
Croatian posters >>>>>> Serbian posters

:worship:

njnetswill
02-16-2008, 08:46 PM
I want to visit Croatia this summer. Serbia too, but the whole Kosovo situation....:unsure:

*snowflake*
02-16-2008, 09:21 PM
Is Djokovic's mother really a hrvatica or is she a srpkinja iz hrvatske?

In any case, wasn't Ivanisevic half Serb (his father)? The only other Ivanisevics I've heard of are Serbs, as well as the Ivanics and the Ivanovics.
I really have no idea and couldn't care any less. :shrug:


Ljubicic's father is Croatian and mother is Bosnian muslim, Cilic is 100% Croatian from Bosnia. So yes, they're both Croatian!

Exactly! Does their birth place change their sense of nationality? No. Does the birth place of Novak's mother change his sense of nationality? No.
So i really don't get the need to constantly search and pinpoint anything that can be a connection to "the other side". Half of Serbs probably have some ties with Croatia and vice versa, and since nationality is something subjective and doesn't really depend on your birth place, parent's nationality or w/e, trying to prove that someone is something other than their own conviction and declaration is purely ridiculous.

NinaNina19
02-16-2008, 09:32 PM
Is Djokovic's mother really a hrvatica or is she a srpkinja iz hrvatske?

In any case, wasn't Ivanisevic half Serb (his father)? The only other Ivanisevics I've heard of are Serbs, as well as the Ivanics and the Ivanovics.

Yeah, I was wondering if Djokovic's mom was really Croatian. I doubt someone from Montenegro (Djokovic's dad) would marry someone ethnically Croatian.

Grunge
02-16-2008, 10:32 PM
Yeah, I was wondering if Djokovic's mom was really Croatian. I doubt someone from Montenegro (Djokovic's dad) would marry someone ethnically Croatian.

Lol. Why would it be strange if someone from Montenegro marry Croatian girl, Or if Serb marry Croatian girl, or vice versa? Do you have any idea how many mixed marriages there is on teritory of ex Yugoslavia? We lived in same country for almost a century...it is normal thing. Even some greatest sport icons are from mixed marriage. Drazen Petrovic for example (probably best non-american basketball player ever) ;)

NinaNina19
02-16-2008, 10:43 PM
Yeah I know. My parents are actually an example of a mixed marriage. My mother just says she thinks it's more likely Novak's mom is Serbian (from Croatia) rather than Croatian. Mixed marriages don't tend to work out imo. Especially now that the country has been split apart.

HeretiC
02-16-2008, 11:09 PM
Yeah I know. My parents are actually an example of a mixed marriage. My mother just says she thinks it's more likely Novak's mom is Serbian (from Croatia) rather than Croatian. Mixed marriages don't tend to work out imo. Especially now that the country has been split apart.


:haha: Totally wrong statement (at least for Yugoslavia). Politicians under outside influence divided the Yugoslavia, not the people from inside. Lots of mixed marriages worked and still works in Ex Yu countries. We didn't fell apart , we were thorn apart. And we don't hate each other, we still like each other, except for those who fell under influence from politicians. :mad:

vucina
02-17-2008, 12:47 AM
:haha: Totally wrong statement (at least for Yugoslavia). Politicians under outside influence divided the Yugoslavia, not the people from inside. Lots of mixed marriages worked and still works in Ex Yu countries. We didn't fell apart , we were thorn apart. And we don't hate each other, we still like each other, except for those who fell under influence from politicians. :mad:

:retard:Yeah, right. I love, therefore I kill.

networthy
02-17-2008, 02:24 AM
I doubt someone from Montenegro (Djokovic's dad) would marry someone ethnically Croatian.

This is a troubling, ignorant comment. My mom is Montenegrin (from Bar); she's Montenegrin orthodox, learned to read and write in cirilica, etc. My dad is Croatian, from Konavle; he's catholic/latinica, etc. They live happily in Dubrovnik and next week, on the 22nd, is their 52nd wedding anniversary!

Grunge
02-17-2008, 03:21 AM
Yeah I know. My parents are actually an example of a mixed marriage. My mother just says she thinks it's more likely Novak's mom is Serbian (from Croatia) rather than Croatian. Mixed marriages don't tend to work out imo. Especially now that the country has been split apart.

I really dont know about Novak's mother, but mixed marriages in Yugoslavia worked perfectly well. It is true that today it would be more difficult because of war and everything, but it still happens from time to time. But for people who get married before 1990. it was perfectly normal to marry other nationality inside Yugoslavia. Two of my 5 best friends are from mixed marriage (I was born in Bosnia) and there is nothing strange in that fact. It is heart that decides, not nationality ;)

Deathless Mortal
02-17-2008, 07:35 AM
I want to visit Croatia this summer. Serbia too, but the whole Kosovo situation....:unsure:

You can visit Croatia, it's safe here. :)

Jadranka
02-17-2008, 09:10 AM
I really dont know about Novak's mother, but mixed marriages in Yugoslavia worked perfectly well. It is true that today it would be more difficult because of war and everything, but it still happens from time to time. But for people who get married before 1990. it was perfectly normal to marry other nationality inside Yugoslavia. Two of my 5 best friends are from mixed marriage (I was born in Bosnia) and there is nothing strange in that fact. It is heart that decides, not nationality ;)

True. :) My parents are still in love :D