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Who has a harder road to the final Roger or Andy?

Fumus
06-17-2004, 04:59 PM
I am pretty sure Andy has an easier half but has to take on Henman in the semis... :eek: :eek:

Roger has a harder quarter with Safin and Hewitt...

Who has a harder road to the finals overall?

Havok
06-17-2004, 05:05 PM
Safin/Hewitt are no match for Fed anyways:p I say Roddick simply because he has henman in there, while Fed got stuck with the "claycourters"

Peoples
06-17-2004, 05:19 PM
I have a feeling that even Henman won't be much of a problem for Andy who really convinced me with his Queens performances while I can't underestimate the former champion not long ago Hewitt or Grosjean who has been playing very well, probably facing Federer.

Shy
06-17-2004, 05:22 PM
Neither of them.They are good enough to beat all of them.

Gonzalo81
06-17-2004, 05:26 PM
Safin/Hewitt are no match for Fed anyways:p I say Roddick simply because he has henman in there, while Fed got stuck with the "claycourters"


I have to agree with you naldo....

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 05:27 PM
Neither as well, it seems that some Federer and Roddick fans want the title of having a harder draw as some kind of comfort blanket.

Nalbandian is not fit, Henman has too much expectation, as for Federer does have Lopez and Karlovic in his section who are fairly good on grass, but he is the #1 and should be able to handle anything on this surface that is thrown at him.

Havok
06-17-2004, 05:30 PM
Both don't have hard draws, but it was asked between the two who has the harder draw. imo Andy does but it still doesn't matter because he should make it to the finals and so should Fed

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 05:32 PM
I think both of them have equally hard draws, but their draws aren't too bad. Andy has Henman but a lot can happen before the SF but to me neither of them has a glaringly much harder draw.

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 05:33 PM
Naldo, I understood the question and I don't think that either one has one harder than other.

I said this somewhere else, that's the thing with Wimbledon realistically there are so few players that can win this Slam unlike the others and I understand where you are coming from, but neither have what could be deemed a brutal draw.

lsy
06-17-2004, 05:35 PM
I think both of them have equally hard draws, but their draws aren't too bad. Andy has Henman but a lot can happen before the SF but to me neither of them has a glaringly much harder draw.

I actually agree with Bunk here.

Gonzalo81
06-17-2004, 05:40 PM
You said it Bunk

LCeh
06-17-2004, 05:41 PM
Not that tough for both really. They are in great forms, and it seems nobody else is matching their level other than each other.

BTW, I wanna see Dent vs Roddick. :lol:

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 05:44 PM
BTW, I wanna see Dent vs Roddick. :lol:

Did you want to see the groundstrokes and the tactical battle, did you?

jtipson
06-17-2004, 05:45 PM
BTW, I wanna see Dent vs Roddick. :lol:

You do? It'll be like High Noon. At least it will be over quickly.

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 05:57 PM
Dent vs Roddick the battle of flair and finesse.

Skyward
06-17-2004, 06:00 PM
Federer's draw is not brutal, but tricky.

star
06-17-2004, 06:12 PM
There's no denying that had Henman and Nalbandian been in Federer's half and not in Andy's that there would have been a lot of complaints that Andy got the "easy" draw.

Personally, I would rather that Henman not be in Andy's half, but they don't meet until the semis and both have got a lot of matches to win before I'm even gonna think about it. :)

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 06:15 PM
I actually agree with Bunk here.

I hope it didn't hurt too much :)


BTW, I wanna see Dent vs Roddick. :lol:

:haha: b/c their AO match was such a classic encounter LOL! Of course, Dent would be happier on grass than Rebound Ace but yeah.....

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-17-2004, 06:16 PM
Andy

Skyward
06-17-2004, 06:31 PM
If Roddick had to go through Nalbandian and Henman only to get to semis, then I'd say that Andy's draw is tough. His quarter is very easy, imo.
Btw, David is coming out from the injury, and Ancic might take care of him.

Fumus
06-17-2004, 06:55 PM
Federer's draw is not brutal, but tricky.


Tricky, eh? That's sorta the pc way of saying like, the only way Fed won't finals is if he forgets how to play tennis?

Skyward
06-17-2004, 07:06 PM
Tricky, eh? That's sorta the pc way of saying like, the only way Fed won't finals is if he forgets how to play tennis?

Obviously, I just have some respect for Kiefer/Johansson/ Lopez/ Safin/ Hewitt.

rue
06-17-2004, 07:09 PM
Neither one of them does really have a tough draw, as long as Federer gets through Hewitt (as long as they both get there) he will definitely get to the finals. Andy has it okay it may be a bit tough but he could meet Henman in the Semis and Henman has got a good record against him and that could be a problem for Roddick. It will be tough for him only up to the semis. You can't say that any one of them has got the easiest draw.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 07:10 PM
Based on past matches on other surfaces, if Andy and Tim meet in the SF, Tim will win. But until the SF, their draws are about equal IMO

Skyward
06-17-2004, 07:18 PM
Based on past matches on other surfaces, if Andy and Tim meet in the SF, Tim will win. But until the SF, their draws are about equal IMO

If David's injury is healed, and Flip decides to show up in a fighting mood, then Henman's draw looks a bit tougher.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 07:21 PM
Re: David's injury, I still have only heard about this via hearsay... does anyone have any legitimate article on it?

as for Flip.... I just don't see that happening :sad:

But yes, in theory that would be correct. I never said Tim's draw was a cakewalk anyway, though. But assuming David really is injured and barring anything really crazy happening with Flip, his draw is not bad at all.

Eve83
06-17-2004, 08:25 PM
The phrase "hard draw" doesnīt exist in Rogerīs world. Heīs so good on grass, itīs unbelievable. He wonīt have any problems to reach the final no matter whoīs in his half.

Andy...I really hope that he can make it through to the finals, but I doubt it. Like you guys already mentioned, Tim is in his half and Andy canīt really handle his game (except US Open first round). Schuettler is also in his half and he as well isnīt one of Andyīs fave opponent. Chances are high that Schuettler wonīt make it anyway, but Tim is a big threat still.

Skyward
06-17-2004, 08:27 PM
The phrase "hard draw" doesnīt exist in Rogerīs world..Heīs so good on grass, itīs unbelievable

Tell that to Mario Ancic. :lol:

jtipson
06-17-2004, 08:30 PM
Hmmm. I think Lleyton is always one of the toughest opponents for Roger (even if he has bagelled him in both of their matches this year). Hewitt's probably got a better chance on grass against him than on any other surface.

Fumus
06-17-2004, 08:30 PM
The phrase "hard draw" doesnīt exist in Rogerīs world. Heīs so good on grass, itīs unbelievable. He wonīt have any problems to reach the final no matter whoīs in his half.

Andy...I really hope that he can make it through to the finals, but I doubt it. Like you guys already mentioned, Tim is in his half and Andy canīt really handle his game (except US Open first round). Schuettler is also in his half and he as well isnīt one of Andyīs fave opponent. Chances are high that Schuettler wonīt make it anyway, but Tim is a big threat still.

I tell ya' hwat' Roger would have a tough time if had Safin, Nalbandain, Henman all in row before the finals. That just won't happen because of the way the draw is now.

jtipson
06-17-2004, 08:33 PM
I tell ya' hwat' Roger would have a tough time if had Safin, Nalbandain, Henman all in row before the finals. That just won't happen because of the way the draw is now.

Since when was Safin a problem for Federer?
Hewitt, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Safin was a pretty tough path to the AO title.

Havok
06-17-2004, 08:37 PM
it looked like a tough path, but it was the contrary. PLaying Hewitt at the AO is your best bet at beating him:p especially if it happens in the 4th round. Nalbandian was a good win, Ferrero was injured at the time, and then you play the OAF who didn't do much. But even if they were all playing great, they're not so much of a match vs Roger. For Roger to be deemed to have a "tough" draw he'll need to play contrasting styles on a regular basis, that way he'll have to be on his toes at all times and change tactics appopriately

Fumus
06-17-2004, 08:50 PM
Since when was Safin a problem for Federer?
Hewitt, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Safin was a pretty tough path to the AO title.

yes it was, my only point is that, Roger can have tough draw it's not impossible. If you make Roger play a bunch of hard people in a row it's harder for him as it would any player. :)

jtipson
06-17-2004, 09:06 PM
yes it was, my only point is that, Roger can have tough draw it's not impossible. If you make Roger play a bunch of hard people in a row it's harder for him as it would any player. :)

Yes indeed Fumus :)

So Eve, of course there is such a thing as a hard draw for Roger. This particular draw however, could have been a whole lot more difficult.

Naldo, we will have to disagree about the AO draw. You are using the benefit of hindsight there, and we didn't have that when we looked at the AO draw, nor when we came to each match (apart from perhaps the final, when Safin had to be tired). Hewitt *was* difficult - not only the head-to-head showed that, but they'd played on that very court four months previously in DC and Roger had lost when he should have won in straights. Also Roger didn't know Ferrero was injured until well into the match. But let's not get into that, I'm straying from the discussion at hand...

It's not so much how the matches play out, it's anticipating them which makes it a tough draw, just as we are doing for Roddick and Federer in this thread.

sigmagirl91
06-17-2004, 09:12 PM
Re: David's injury, I still have only heard about this via hearsay... does anyone have any legitimate article on it?



Check the interview transcripts from the French Open semis after his loss to Gaudio; you will find where he describes his injury....

Fumus
06-17-2004, 09:17 PM
yea, he says "bla bla my leg hurts, Sigma you need to retire" :lol:

that reminds of that post match with JCC where he is describing some injury. The reporter guy is like so it was your leg and JCC is like "yes yes", or was it your hamstring and JCC was like "yes hamstring yes", Idk it made him look really dumb lol

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 09:19 PM
JCC Reminds me of the local JCC around the corner where I went to nursery school :haha:

Fumus
06-17-2004, 09:23 PM
Jewish Community Center, I went there for summer camp! :rocker2:, no really I did, I am not making this shit up! :haha:

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 09:29 PM
that's good. I went to a JCC summer Camp for 12 years :)

anyway.... carry on LOL

Eve83
06-17-2004, 10:46 PM
Okay, I take the "thereīs no hard draw for Roger" back...and normally Iīm not a person who is soo sure about her faves talents that I donīt see another winner at all, especially since I am not a Roger fan (though I admire his game). Itīs just that he actually is just unbelievable and it needs not only a good player to win against him, but a player with a very very good day.

I would like to see Roddick win Wimby, but Roger is the guy Iīd put my money on.

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:25 PM
Roddick has the harder draw with Henman and Nalbandian before the finals. Federer regularly makes mince meat of Safin, while Hewitt hasn't beaten Federer for a while; so, I don't see those two stopping him.

Skyward
06-17-2004, 11:37 PM
Roddick has the harder draw with Henman and Nalbandian before the finals. Federer regularly makes mince meat of Safin, while Hewitt hasn't beaten Federer for a while; so, I don't see those two stopping him.

Not with Henman AND Nalbandian, but with Henman OR Nalbandian.
Don't count Hewitt out. He knows how to play on grass, he has no points to defend, he is hungry to win, he is 7-4 against Roger. Imo, Roger's quarter is tougher, Andy will have more difficult semi.

Dirk
06-17-2004, 11:39 PM
Both of them could lose in the 1st week so let's not jump to any conclusions just yet.

Havok
06-17-2004, 11:45 PM
true jtipson;)

Lisbeth
06-18-2004, 01:27 AM
I think they are reasonably even actually. There's no such thing as an easy draw on the ATP these days.

And I totally agree with whoever said a lot can happen in the first week at Wimbledon ... it's not likely the last 8 will actually be the top 8 anyway.

star
06-18-2004, 01:49 AM
yea, he says "bla bla my leg hurts, Sigma you need to retire" :lol:

that reminds of that post match with JCC where he is describing some injury. The reporter guy is like so it was your leg and JCC is like "yes yes", or was it your hamstring and JCC was like "yes hamstring yes", Idk it made him look really dumb lol

How could that make him look dumb?

The hamstring muscle is in the leg.

:confused:

And never never never say my lover, Juanqui, is stupid! :boxing:

:lol:

Pea
06-18-2004, 02:52 AM
Of course Roger:rolleyes:, but what else is new?

Smankyou
06-18-2004, 03:44 AM
Tricky, eh? That's sorta the pc way of saying like, the only way Fed won't finals is if he forgets how to play tennis?

The last time they played on grass, lleyton won. And by the looks of things, Roger didn't forget how to play tennis.

Lalitha
06-18-2004, 06:16 AM
This is a Grandslam. Every player will give their best. Plus, even Andy and Roger will have the pressure of playing at Wimbledon, trying to be their best. It's not going to be easy for either of them.

Experimentee
06-18-2004, 04:42 PM
Federer has the tougher road. All his opponents up to the semis are clearly harder than Roddick's, and then whoever is in the semi will be no pushover either. Henman is good on grass, but will choke under the pressure, and he lost early at Queen's anyway, so he lacks match practice and may not even reachthe SF.

BaselineSmash
06-18-2004, 05:09 PM
If Nalbandian now withdraws, will that have any significant effects on the draw? :scared:

Deboogle!.
06-18-2004, 05:24 PM
If Nalbandian now withdraws, will that have any significant effects on the draw? :scared:

Whoever's 33rd would be a seed and then a LL would take someone's place... I think...

nitsansh or jtipson or someone like that would know better than me though.

Yashirobai
06-18-2004, 05:58 PM
From the first 8 seeds, the ones who have an easier draw are Roddick, Coria and Ferrero. Roddick's is definetly very good until the semifinals. Federer has a harder draw, but I think he'll win the title again though. Besides, from the seeds 9-16 Moyá is by far the one who has a harder draw.

Fumus
06-18-2004, 06:25 PM
How could that make him look dumb?

The hamstring muscle is in the leg.

:confused:

And never never never say my lover, Juanqui, is stupid! :boxing:

:lol:


ohh no no woops. lol, I didn't do a good job of illustating that conversation in the article. Ask Bunk about it, it's a funny article. I like JCF, I think he's pretty cool and all, I just thought that the article was funny.

Fumus
06-18-2004, 06:29 PM
The last time they played on grass, lleyton won. And by the looks of things, Roger didn't forget how to play tennis.

Yea but that was awhile ago, and Roger continues to step up. When Roger is playing his best, especially on grass, I doubt there is anyone in the world who can beat him. That is not to say he cannot lose, Roger can beat himself by not playing well.

jtipson
06-18-2004, 06:44 PM
If Nalbandian now withdraws, will that have any significant effects on the draw?


Whoever's 33rd would be a seed and then a LL would take someone's place... I think...


Yep, I did have a look at previous draws to check whether Wimbers follows the same procedure as other GS tourneys, and it appears they do.

Mikhail Youzhny is next in line for a seed (and after him, Luis Horna). Youzhny would move to Nalbandian's place in the draw, and a lucky loser would get his spot, and play Goran Ivanisevic in the first round.

Deboogle!.
06-18-2004, 06:46 PM
thanks, as always, jtipson :kiss:

I wonder if Arazi will be out too. Was at the nottingham site and saw this:
"Morocco's Hicham Arazi partnered by Gregory Carraz (FRA) has withdrawn with an injury from todays doubles semi-final giving Australia's Paul Hanley and Todd Woodbridge a walkover into the final."

If David and Hicham both pull out, you might as well just put Tim in the SF and send the rest of that quarter home;)

Leo
06-18-2004, 07:04 PM
Yep, I did have a look at previous draws to check whether Wimbers follows the same procedure as other GS tourneys, and it appears they do.

Mikhail Youzhny is next in line for a seed (and after him, Luis Horna). Youzhny would move to Nalbandian's place in the draw, and a lucky loser would get his spot, and play Goran Ivanisevic in the first round.

No, it wouldn't be Youzhny. He's already the #31 seed!

Anyway, is there talk of Nalbandian withdrawing? :(

Leo
06-18-2004, 07:05 PM
thanks, as always, jtipson :kiss:

I wonder if Arazi will be out too. Was at the nottingham site and saw this:
"Morocco's Hicham Arazi partnered by Gregory Carraz (FRA) has withdrawn with an injury from todays doubles semi-final giving Australia's Paul Hanley and Todd Woodbridge a walkover into the final."

If David and Hicham both pull out, you might as well just put Tim in the SF and send the rest of that quarter home;)

Possibly he just wants to save his energy for the Big W and isn't injured at all. :confused:

jtipson
06-18-2004, 07:15 PM
No, it wouldn't be Youzhny. He's already the #31 seed!

Anyway, is there talk of Nalbandian withdrawing? :(


You're right of course, Leo. What was I thinking of!
Let me check who'll be next in.

Edit: Ah, I looked at the rankings and took the next person after the 32nd seed, Arazi. Duh.

Ok, so the guys next up for seeding are:
Horna (which would leave Roddick's section with as many quallies/lls as main draw entries!)
Clement
Verdasco
Melzer
Soderling

Skyward
06-19-2004, 12:39 AM
With Johansson and Paradorn reaching the final in Nottingham, and Llodra doing well at Ordina Open, Federer's draw is the hardest. Period.

J. Corwin
06-19-2004, 12:47 AM
I think Andy's is slightly harder, just because Roger is better and should be able to handle his draw more readily.

Skyward
06-19-2004, 12:53 AM
I think Andy's is slightly harder, just because Roger is better and should be able to handle his draw more readily.

Are you serious? It's not about Roger or Andy. It's about quality of opponents they have to meet during 2 weeks tourney, their ability to play on grass and current form.

Just because someone is << better>> and should handle everyone on paper, doesn' mean that the toghest draw is a must for this particular individual.

Fedex
06-19-2004, 12:54 AM
Andy's semi is harder, but Rogi has a tougher earlier rds (esp. Kiefer, he will be tough), and a tougher QF.

SomL.
06-19-2004, 10:27 AM
Lleyton will be the Champion in Wimbledon 2004.

J. Corwin
06-19-2004, 12:53 PM
Are you serious? It's not about Roger or Andy. It's about quality of opponents they have to meet during 2 weeks tourney, their ability to play on grass and current form.

Just because someone is << better>> and should handle everyone on paper, doesn' mean that the toghest draw is a must for this particular individual.

I know that. I wasn't answering the thread's question, but merely ranting on my own about thinking how each player will do with their respective draw.