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yellowboy906
02-12-2008, 11:54 PM
i doubt he can but i hope he can win a couple of slams. serve and aggressiveness are his only weakness imo. actually, he serve is not that bad but he is not aggressive enough. he has so much talent when he played aggressive but he chose to push the ball like a 5 year old girl:(. i think that the only thing that separates him and djokovic is his aggressiveness. it's not like murray lacks power. i've seen him hit winner like crazy when he bagel his opponent. what do u guys think?:)

gambit84
02-12-2008, 11:59 PM
yes, I suppose Wimbledon. He has the suitable tennis to win on the green court. But he have to improve his serve percent

tennizen
02-13-2008, 12:00 AM
i doubt he can but i hope he can win a couple of slams. serve and aggressiveness are his only weakness imo. actually, he serve is not that bad but he is not aggressive enough. he has so much talent when he played aggressive but he chose to push the ball like a 5 year old girl:(. i think that the only thing that separates him and djokovic is his aggressiveness. it's not like murray lacks power. i've seen him hit winner like crazy when he bagel his opponent. what do u guys think?:)

Why all the red dots!!

NinaNina19
02-13-2008, 12:02 AM
Yes. It's a matter of time. I think he'll win his first slam in 2009 or 10 at the latest. This year I think he will make at least one good run to the semis in a slam.

Apemant
02-13-2008, 12:03 AM
He'll win several of them. (fingers crossed :angel: )

Kolya
02-13-2008, 12:07 AM
Maybe he will get lucky and win 1 at most.

Mentally too weak IMO.

scoobs
02-13-2008, 12:08 AM
W'll see. He has enough game to do so, but we still don't know if he has enough consistency, stamina, mental toughness, to win 7 best of 5 matches.

He doesn't lack the weapons but so far he is still somewhat uncertain how to get the most out of them.

Sunset of Age
02-13-2008, 12:12 AM
Why all the red dots!!

New poster? :shrug:

Back on topic: I feel Muzza surely has the talent to be able to win one (or even more) slam, but if anything, he's not there yet. Apart from the points already mentioned, he doesn't come across as mentally stable enough. But he's still young - and remember, Federer was regarded as a 'total headcase' in his early days, and see what's become of him. Not too bad I'd say.
So we just can't tell.

Let's see if he manages to take Marseille this week first, before starting any speculation on winning slams... :cool:

Blondie1985
02-13-2008, 12:22 AM
never.

Marek.
02-13-2008, 12:23 AM
Probably

yellowboy906
02-13-2008, 12:30 AM
Why all the red dots!!

what does the red dots mean anyway?:)

Sunset of Age
02-13-2008, 12:45 AM
what does the red dots mean anyway?:)

As far as I know, every new poster starts off with having 'red dots'.

Welcome, btw! :wavey:

Young Boss
02-13-2008, 12:50 AM
i think he can, but he needs some work to get to the level of challenging for grand slams.

Getta
02-13-2008, 12:57 AM
Probably.


As far as I know, every new poster starts off with having 'red dots'.


Nope. Every new poster starts off without any dots (neither green nor red).
Obviously, 'yellowboy906' got bad reps just at the beginning of his/her career as a MTF poster.

camnation
02-13-2008, 01:08 AM
Probably.



Nope. Every new poster starts off without any dots (neither green nor red).
Obviously, 'yellowboy906' got bad reps just at the beginning of his/her career as a MTF poster.

Really? I'm a new user and I started off with green dots...

Burrow
02-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Hopefully not, he basically has 3 or the 4 slams to do it at. I doubt he can do it in France, but either one of the others is possible.

Sunset of Age
02-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Nope. Every new poster starts off without any dots (neither green nor red).
Obviously, 'yellowboy906' got bad reps just at the beginning of his/her career as a MTF poster.

Ah. Okay. Thanks for correcting me on that!
Nice way to welcome a new poster btw, badrepping him/her... :rolleyes:

Burrow
02-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Really? I'm a new user and I started off with green dots...

Yes, I started with green too.

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 01:42 AM
I doubt it. Since there's more and more players who develop faster than him, by the time he manages to sort out his head, the list of the top contenders might get even more crowded than it is now, and the comparison with the young Federer might be appealing, but I'm not sure it's completely valid, because the era differs significantly (what was "post-Sampras" back then, now is going towards "post-Federer", with different playing style and different approach to the game, and it's definitely going to be much harder for "Fed's tennis offspring", whoever that might be, to develop into a new "mythological" Federer, simply because the players will be ever more able to counter such development after the years of trying and analyzing - much in the same way we actually never had "baby Sampras" continuing his "dad's" domination.)

NinaNina19
02-13-2008, 01:56 AM
Djokovic is also known as a "baby Federer" although I don't think he is. Actually I think Djokovic's and Murray's styles are somewhat similar except that Djokovic is better at the moment and easily more aggressive. Murray, however has more variety in his game. I think when he puts it all together he'll definitely be a strong contender for slams. I think Murray has a chance to be top 5 this year.

Albop
02-13-2008, 02:02 AM
probably but i hope no

Stgobaiano
02-13-2008, 02:09 AM
95% Probably

ChinoRios4Ever
02-13-2008, 02:12 AM
I think he will

RogerFan82
02-13-2008, 02:48 AM
He may nick a slam somewhere over the next 5 years. Cant see him winning more than 1.

Alex999
02-13-2008, 02:58 AM
Djokovic is also known as a "baby Federer" although I don't think he is. Actually I think Djokovic's and Murray's styles are somewhat similar except that Djokovic is better at the moment and easily more aggressive. Murray, however has more variety in his game. I think when he puts it all together he'll definitely be a strong contender for slams. I think Murray has a chance to be top 5 this year.

Nina, I really like Murray but Novak is in a different league than Murray. You are not very objective when it comes to Andy. I hope he will get focused and improve his game, but he is not even close to Djokovic right now. Sorry. On the other hand I really think Murray is capable of winning a GS but he needs to put his *things* together.

helgagonzalez
02-13-2008, 03:09 AM
he can probably win one or two. i hope he does... all of england will be waiting for this one... he must be under a lot of pressure :cool:

JediFed
02-13-2008, 04:11 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.

jcempire
02-13-2008, 06:25 AM
Come On He Is Only 20. Too Early To Say It

I Believe He Would Be One Of Top Guy Next Couple Years

VolandriFan
02-13-2008, 06:27 AM
What's slam?

Mĺnu
02-13-2008, 06:38 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.


Hahahahahaha thanks I couldn't stop laughing.

foul_dwimmerlaik
02-13-2008, 06:53 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.
Your fourth group doesn't make sense. Baghdatis and Nalby are GS finalists; Berdych, Davy and Robredo all have MS titles. And wtf's Moya doing there, he's a GS champion and a former #1. Hate to break it to you, but Murray is not at the same level with any of those guys. Youzhny, Gasquet, Blake - probably, the others - no.

As for the original question, there's no telling the future, but atm I doubt it very much. His style of play is too energy-consuming, and he doesn't seem to have physical or mental stamina for it. Andy's game doesn't have any strong foundation - his forehand is often a liability, his serve is fragile, his movement is good but he doesn't have the stamina to rely on it in several best-of-five matches. Winning a 5-set match versus a top opponent by dinking and retrieving is an extremely tough proposition.

Ferrero Forever
02-13-2008, 06:59 AM
Nah Murray will never win a slam. I seriously don't get the hype about him. Mabye since he's still young he can materialise into a better player, but for the moment I'm saying no.

zcess81
02-13-2008, 09:08 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.

Is that supposed to be a joke??? If it is then it's HILARIOUS.

Sean.J.S.
02-13-2008, 09:26 AM
Most likely.

OrinUK
02-13-2008, 11:00 AM
I hope he does, but I fear what the press will be like when he does win a slam.

He will be under even more pressure (like Roddick) to win everything.

VolandriFan
02-13-2008, 11:04 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.

:spit: :haha: :lol: :rolls:

:worship:

Mĺnu
02-13-2008, 11:07 AM
I could not bear the fact that an English player win a GS before a French one... no way. If he does it afterwards it's ok.

-LOVETENNIS-
02-13-2008, 11:12 AM
I Think that he have to be very very lucky 2 win a GS.

So my answer is no... Maybe if he could play till hes like a 120 years old... The oldies GS

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 11:13 AM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.

:yeah: true

You gotta love the Djokotards who already put Nole in Fed's league :lol:

-LOVETENNIS-
02-13-2008, 11:21 AM
You can all laugh...

But the king is not as high on his Crown anymore.. For sure Fedex is no.1 at the time. But not as massiv as before.
But Nadal in 2.place must be a joke.....!! Yhe player to take over Fedex when he "Retires" is DJOKO...!!

I rest my case

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 11:23 AM
Yhe player to take over Fedex when he "Retires" is DJOKO...!!

It will happen someday :hatoff:... around 2012 ;)

Bilbo
02-13-2008, 11:24 AM
i don't see him ever win a slam to be honest

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 11:29 AM
It will happen someday :hatoff:... around 2012 ;)

Watch out for this year's TMC, where Nole defends zero points, and Federer 750, hence Novak stands to get closer by as much as 1000 points :wavey:

(Oh, sorry, I forgot we have US Open in the meantime too... another 600 points off of the lead :wavey:)

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 11:34 AM
Watch out for this year's TMC, where Nole defends zero points, and Federer 750, hence Novak stands to get closer by as much as 1000 points :wavey:

(Oh, sorry, I forgot we have US Open in the meantime too... another 600 points off of the lead :wavey:)

Fed will lose #1 long before TMC ;) but he won't lose it to Nole, which is all that really matter :)

Apemant
02-13-2008, 11:36 AM
Fed will lose #1 long before TMC ;) but he won't lose it to Nole, which is all that really matter :)

Why not? It's definitely a possibility.

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02-13-2008, 11:41 AM
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bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 11:54 AM
Why not? It's definitely a possibility.

Of course it's a possibility :sad: but for some Djokotards is sounds rather like a certainty :o Rafa has definitely a better shot at #1 than Nole :) Vamos Rafa :rocker2: :D

zcess81
02-13-2008, 12:07 PM
:yeah: true

You gotta love the Djokotards who already put Nole in Fed's league :lol:

so much hatred for djok/serbian fans...Novak must be doing something right to isolate himself from turds like you.

decrepitude
02-13-2008, 12:33 PM
I came into this thread late, and I'm amazed nobody has picked up on the fact that Jedifed said there are three levels - and then proceded to list four!

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 12:35 PM
so much hatred for djok/serbian fans...Novak must be doing something right to isolate himself from turds like you.

:awww: :hug: That's sooo unfair... People on here are so nice to Fed/Nadal while they constantly bash Nole... MTF is clearly a Nole bashing board :bigcry: :baby:

MaryX
02-13-2008, 12:42 PM
You gotta love the Djokotards who already put Nole in Fed's league

He's not in Federer's league in terms of tennis history (and maybe he'll never be), but he is in his league at the moment, their last few matches were highly competative or in Novak's favour and that won't change, at least not in way you'd want it.
As for Novak's position in Hewit's, Roddick's ...league, we'll have to wait again for time and history to determinate his place in comparison to other players that reached their peak.At the moment, they are not in the same league.Sorry.

As for Murray, I can't deny his chances for slam victories and great carier in advance.He's had some difficult times, injuries and bad draws, but he's talented player.And too young to write him off.

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 12:50 PM
we'll have to wait again for time and history to determinate his place in comparison to other players

That is all about that actually :o time, and only time will tell... At the moment, achievement-wise, Nole is just at the Gomez-Chang-Costa-Johannson-Gaudio level right now :shrug: you'll have plenty of time to gloat if he manages to do better... ;)

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 12:58 PM
Of course it's a possibility :sad: but for some Djokotards is sounds rather like a certainty :o Rafa has definitely a better shot at #1 than Nole :) Vamos Rafa :rocker2: :D

Fedtard converting into a "desperation Rafatard"? :haha: This IS serious, my friend :wavey:

(And I'd say your "comparison list of achievers" is inaccurate: try adding 4 consecutive slam semis and 2 consecutive slam finals - and I think all of your examples vanish in the haze.)

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:03 PM
Fedtard converting into a "desperation Rafatard"? :haha: This IS serious, my friend :wavey:


:hug: :D


(And I'd say your "comparison list of achievers" is inaccurate: try adding 4 consecutive slam semis and 2 consecutive slam finals - and I think all of your examples vanish in the haze.)

:secret: only titles really count :o :D

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 01:08 PM
:hug: :D



:secret: only titles really count :o :D

We'll do a tally at the end of this season :D

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:10 PM
We'll do a tally at the end of this season :D

can't wait... :devil: :D

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 01:27 PM
Actually, we're gonna miss GlennM (hope he gets unbanned in the meantime) and his fits and ramblings (USO probably becoming another MM slam :haha:)

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Gu will be back by then, don't worry :cool: he'll be ready to kick some Nole/Piggy fanboy arses :D

Albop
02-13-2008, 01:34 PM
How is Novak in another league from Murray?

Man, if Roddick isn't in another league from Murray and Hewitt isn't in another league from Murray, then why should Novak with a slam be in another galaxy?

There are three levels right now.

1 Roger.

2. Nadal

3. Hewitt, Novak, Roddick, Safin

4. Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Moya, Robredo, Youzhny.


Stop smoking weed dude ;)

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 01:35 PM
Gu will be back by then, don't worry :cool: he'll be ready to kick some Nole/Piggy fanboy arses :D

At least we'll enjoy watching him try :D but as Nole progresses, the comedy and desperation of it all will become only too apparent :cool:

Albop
02-13-2008, 01:37 PM
so much hatred for djok/serbian fans...Novak must be doing something right to isolate himself from turds like you.

Are you really a nadal-djokovic-federer fan ?

do you know the word lose ?

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:40 PM
At least we'll enjoy watching him try :D but as Nole progresses, the comedy and desperation of it all will become all too apparent :cool:

The sad thing is that if Nole fails to live up to the hype, then all the bandwagonners will be gone by then, Gu won't have that much fun :sad: :shrug:

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:41 PM
Are you really a nadal-djokovic-federer fan ?

do you know the word lose ?

He/she's a Fed hata...

Farenhajt
02-13-2008, 01:43 PM
The sad thing is that if Nole fails to live to the hype, then all the bandwagonners will be gone by then, Gu won't have that much fun :sad: :shrug:

Nole is an overachiever, and unlike the previous year, now he has a plan and knows exactly what to do, so I'd not count on him falling short (barred some higher force - a bad injury or the like). So... tell me again who's gonna have fun with whom? :cool: :dance:

bokehlicious
02-13-2008, 01:45 PM
Staying positive is a quality, Fairweather :yeah: keep it up :cool:

FedforFrench
02-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Coming back to the original poster's question, its likely that in the post-Fed peak era (which I think already started), Murray might just sneak a slam win with a bit of luck. As things stand (with his inconsistent serve), there is no way he can win a slam in the immediate future. Only major improvement in serve and couple of QFs and semis at slams will convince me that he is slam winning material. Until then, his sucess in MM tournies and Masters series will count to nothing in terms of predicting if he can win a slam.

P.S. Murray is my 3rd most favourite player.

Albop
02-13-2008, 01:49 PM
He/she's a Fed hata...

ohh. good ;)

Corey Feldman
02-13-2008, 07:28 PM
hope so

Corey Feldman
02-13-2008, 07:31 PM
so much hatred for djok/serbian fans...Novak must be doing something right to isolate himself from turds like you.

Are you really a nadal-djokovic-federer fan ?

do you know the word lose ?Fantastic responce

typical of these idiots at MTF, crying about 'the Nole hate' - which is 5% of what Fed & Nadal still have/

Chris Seahorse
02-13-2008, 09:52 PM
25% Murray never wins a slam.
50% Murray wins one slam.
20% Murray wins two slams.
5% Murray wins more than two slams.

JediFed
02-13-2008, 11:21 PM
Your fourth group doesn't make sense. Baghdatis and Nalby are GS finalists; Berdych, Davy and Robredo all have MS titles. And wtf's Moya doing there, he's a GS champion and a former #1. Hate to break it to you, but Murray is not at the same level with any of those guys. Youzhny, Gasquet, Blake - probably, the others - no.


Good question!

Tier one is Federer.

Tier two is people who have winning H2H vs Federer with more then 2 slams.

Tier three is people who have beaten Federer and won at least one slam.

Tier four is people who have a slam, OR several MS tourneys, OR been in the top ten, OR have beaten Federer.

Moya is 0-7 against Federer and has won one slam. That puts him at ToJo level.

As for retrieving if Hewitt made his career doing just that, then I can't see why Murray wouldn't have similar success.

JediFed
02-13-2008, 11:27 PM
I'm glad I got a few laughs.

I had fun too when I made the list and realised that Djokovic is at the same level as such luminaries as Hewitt and Roddick. (and that's being Generous to Djokovic). :devil:

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-04-2009, 02:23 AM
When will that day come if ever?

Edit: 3rd option should be 2011-2014

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-04-2009, 02:24 AM
I'd love to say never but (sadly) he'll win a HC slam within 2 years imo

http://www.gunsha.co.uk/images/sad.gif

Arkulari
07-04-2009, 02:29 AM
I think around 2010, but he has a great shot at the USO this year :yeah:

OddJob
07-04-2009, 02:34 AM
I think around 2010, but he has a great shot at the USO this year :yeah:

This.

MrChopin
07-04-2009, 03:01 AM
RG 2015 at 28 years old, so I'm going with 2014+.

LinkMage
07-04-2009, 03:04 AM
2012 AO

He will then go on to win the Golden Slam. :worship:

finishingmove
07-04-2009, 03:11 AM
09/10

he is DUE

straitup
07-04-2009, 03:12 AM
Probably the US this year, or one of the hard court majors next year. I just don't know if he'll be able to handle the pressure of winning Wimbledon for his first grand slam, so I think he needs a different title first.

mistercrabs
07-04-2009, 03:22 AM
When I think of Andy Murray I'm reminded of Ivan Lendl - and not just because they're both a little scrawny and neither necessarily has the best serve in their time. When Lendl was younger he won a bunch of prestigious tournaments but could never break through with Grand Slams. That's because he was living in an era when Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, and Jimmy Connors were still dominating. Once their stranglehold let up, Lendl won his first GS at age 24 and went on to win tons more and to dominate. I don't think a lot of players really reach their zenith until they're 24-25, but usually since dominant players are generally more inconsistent than Federer when it comes to slams, up and coming players can break through in the "training" period and win a couple - e.g. a young Pete Sampras. Since Murray is living in a pretty unique era, he might not get one until he's 23 or 24, but I sincerely believe that ONCE MURRAY COMPLETES HIS GAME HE WILL WIN MULTIPLE SLAMS AND MAY BE AS DOMINANT AS LENDL.

That said, I certainly wouldn't bet against him winning one of the next two.

chenx15
07-04-2009, 03:30 AM
i say never i think JM del potro and Marin Cilic will start to peak and beat the shit out of him

DJ Soup
07-04-2009, 03:53 AM
I expect Delpo to start defeating Murray more often, and then there's still Federer, Nadal and Djoko.
I am placing my moneys that in this USO09 Delpo beats Murray, but I wanna see that.
So, he will probably win one, can't say when without being wild guessing..

MalwareDie
07-04-2009, 03:57 AM
Maybe he will win a Slam when he finally stops worshipping Mugboar and starts playing more aggressively.

orangehat
07-04-2009, 03:58 AM
Maybe 1 in his lifetime. But none for DelPot nor Cilic.

scarecrows
07-04-2009, 06:39 AM
which poll option should I choose for 2010?

FedFan_2007
07-04-2009, 06:41 AM
None if he doesn't improve his forehand and 2nd serve.

chammer44
07-04-2009, 07:09 AM
His only chance is to go for a mixed doubles slam. Fuck him. No man who loses to Roddick deserves a chance at a slam.

HKz
07-04-2009, 07:18 AM
Honestly his Wimbledon run this year was bullshit. I mean the guy draws one of the more easier draws, has his name chanted 100000000 times a second when he needs it and gets fed shots to his backhand all day, yet he barely makes it through Wawrinka even with the crowd pushing him and loses anyways. I think the New Yorkers will give him, his mother and girlfriend shit when they arrive. I can't stand any of them. His mom does more fistpumps than Nadal and Hewitt put together, his girlfriend bobbles her head more than any bobble head and Murray is just plain ugly and annoying in everything he does. His face, his bad short shorts (he definately cannot pull it off), his teeth, his tennis especially his forehand, his "come ons!" (honestly sounds like the 8 year old USTA girls group at tournaments) and his monotoned voice.

HKz
07-04-2009, 07:21 AM
His only chance is to go for a mixed doubles slam. Fuck him. No man who loses to Roddick deserves a chance at a slam.

Andy Roddick def. Rafael Nadal - US Open 2004 - 6/0, 6/3, 6/4
Andy Roddick def. Rafael Nadal - Dubai 2008 - 7/6, 6/2
Andy Roddick def. Roger Federer - Montreal 2003 - 6/4, 3/6, 7/6
Andy Roddick def. Roger Federer - Miami 2008 - 7/6, 4/6, 6/3

:confused:

chammer44
07-04-2009, 07:24 AM
Andy Roddick def. Rafael Nadal - US Open 2004 - 6/0, 6/3, 6/4
Andy Roddick def. Rafael Nadal - Dubai 2008 - 7/6, 6/2

:confused:2004 at age 18?
Dubai a nothing tournament. Please.

You edited to add additional nothing tournies.

Roddick is a complete and utter joke. Murray is not even at his level. He should be fed to sharks.

finishingmove
07-04-2009, 07:40 AM
:spit:

Goldenoldie
07-04-2009, 08:35 AM
This latest defeat for Murray means very little, two lost tie-breaks against a player with a serve on fire. He will win a slam eventually, probably 2010 or even US Open this year.

bad gambler
07-04-2009, 08:37 AM
When will that day come if ever?

Edit: 3rd option should be 2011-2014

I guess he isn't true SPARTA

Hunny
07-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Let the Brits pile on the pressure on him and he will never win :)

Clydey
07-04-2009, 09:27 AM
Probably this year's USO. That was always going to be his best chance. Murray is top 5 on grass, top 10-15 on clay. On hard, however, he is the best or second best player in the world. Had Murray beaten Roddick, I still don't think he was going to beat Fed on grass.

I said after the French that the minimum Murray should be looking for is a Wimbledon semi and a USO final. That changed when Rafa pulled out. He fell one win short of what would have been an ideal Wimbledon showing. He shouldn't be losing in the semis of the USO, though. He should win that tournament this year.

Dini
07-04-2009, 09:30 AM
When the Brits stop worshipping him and putting so much damn pressure on him. And when he chooses to go for his shots and not wait for his opponent's mistakes on the most crucial points in matches. He needs to have the heart to go for it when it matters the most and not let himself get out hit by his opponents.

So the answer in short: When he grows some balls.

leng jai
07-04-2009, 09:30 AM
USO is a strong possibility. Will be a very interesting tournament, if the likes of Haasi and Hewitt can keep their form. They've been consistent performers at the tournament.

Lebeuf
07-04-2009, 09:33 AM
Not until he have a plastic surgery.
Need to change that ugly face , cause you know , sometimes I'm having dinner while watching tennis.

Jaz
07-04-2009, 09:34 AM
He should win that tournament this year.

:confused:

I really think some Murray fans are delusional. Firstly, the flaws in the Murray game are becoming more exposed. He had, probably, the best match of his career against Nadal last year, but then was schooled by Federer in the final.

He's failed to reach another GS-final since USopen. Murray needs to beat both Nadal and Federer in the best of 5 format in the same tournament, assuming he or them are not knocked out earlier...

habibko
07-04-2009, 10:14 AM
When the Brits stop worshipping him and putting so much damn pressure on him. And when he chooses to go for his shots and not wait for his opponent's mistakes on the most crucial points in matches. He needs to have the heart to go for it when it matters the most and not let himself get out hit by his opponents.

So the answer in short: When he grows some balls.

couldn't have said it any better :worship:

and no if Fed was in his way in this USO, the result won't be much differernt that last year, so his chances in this year's USO are really slim and only if he avoided Federer, and that doesn't mean he won't lose to another player on fire.

Merseykmight
07-04-2009, 11:14 AM
Next year I think.

Deejay
07-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Near enough everyone after last year's US Open was saying Murray 'will win one next year' yet here we are with 3 slams nearly dusted in 09' and Murray hasn't been close to winning one so who knows how long he'll go slamless for???

All this "great run through to the semi's" from the media at Wimbledon is total nonsense. I said before the tournament started that anything less than a place in the final would be a let down given his form coming in and the amount of grass court threats that weren't even playing (gasquet, nalbandian, ancic, nadal, baghdatis etc). Apart from the Troicki and Ferrero matches he never looked like producing his A-game and he'll find it even harder next year if more of the decent grass court players are fit. There's no doubting how well Roddick played but Murray yet again didn't bring his best tennis into the match when it was most needed.

We all know that his best chance is at the US Open but unless the draw opens up he'll have to beat a Del Potro/Roddick/Hewitt/Haas in the quarters, a Nadal/Djoko in the semi's and then beat the grand slam monster that is Federer in the final...that's tough going when your're predominantly a counter-puncher and so far he has no track record in the slams to prove he can put that kind of run together. He'll win one eventually but it's going to be a struggle for him over the next few years, the same applies to basically everyone outside the top 2.

Champion number 1
07-04-2009, 11:52 AM
Murray will win a slam. I think he will win the US Open twice.

Garson007
07-04-2009, 12:01 PM
I'm hoping never, but then again we might just see a worse player win one.

orangehat
07-04-2009, 12:39 PM
Near enough everyone after last year's US Open was saying Murray 'will win one next year' yet here we are with 3 slams nearly dusted in 09' and Murray hasn't been close to winning one so who knows how long he'll go slamless for???


Well said. Now, the Muzzatards are going to say "Oh his best chance is at the USO coz he wasn't going to beat Fed on grass". When he doesn't win that, it'll be "Oh he's still young and his best chance is AO '10." And when he doesn't win that? Goodness knows what they will come up with next.

I still think he'll win one in his career though. Better him than Cilic/DelPot anyway (even though i really don't like Murray)

Black Adam
07-04-2009, 01:36 PM
I guess he isn't true SPARTA
It's never too late for the inner Spartan to burst out.

Aaric
07-04-2009, 01:47 PM
He has to learn how to play without the first serve first

Sapeod
07-04-2009, 01:52 PM
This years US Open?? Maybe next years Aus Open or Wimby or US Open. One of these next four GS he will win. Mark my words.

rubbERR
07-04-2009, 01:57 PM
get serious, murray chances to win grandslam title is almost zero, we have already witnessed that he doesnt own enought balls to be grandslam champion.

Burrow
07-04-2009, 02:03 PM
Never but in this era, I suppose anything can happen, seeing as there is basically only 2 or maybe 3 guys able to win a slam.

q.j.
07-04-2009, 02:05 PM
get serious, murray chances to win grandslam title is almost zero, we have already witnessed that he doesnt own enought balls to be grandslam champion.

get real
of course he's gonna win a slam, it's pretty inevitable
however it would be uber funny if it's to happen in 2011 when his bandwagon is on it's deathbed, softly exhaling it's last words
bwhahaha
:D

AsGoodAsNew
07-04-2009, 04:14 PM
09/10

he is DUE

No one is DUE. You have to be the best player in 7 matches. Only that player deserves to win.

I think Murray will win 1 US Open, but not this year.

He wont win Roland Garros, Wimbledon or Australia.

Har-Tru
07-04-2009, 05:04 PM
When he's among the two best players in the world. I'd be very surprised if he gets to the final at the USO this year.

luie
07-04-2009, 05:26 PM
When he stops worshipping nadull & following Nadull brand of tennis he should win a slam.He should work on his technique ala federer it will benefit him in the long run. If he continues to play like nadull he could burn out in a couple years just like his idol.

rocketassist
07-04-2009, 05:32 PM
When he's among the two best players in the world. I'd be very surprised if he gets to the final at the USO this year.

He proved last year he can hit Nadal off the court at the Open, and if he has to do it again, he is more than capable.

Beating Roger in the final/SF is the ultimate test though.

Dougie
07-04-2009, 05:39 PM
He proved last year he can hit Nadal off the court at the Open, and if he has to do it again, he is more than capable.

Beating Roger in the final/SF is the ultimate test though.

Rafa was far from his best then. In order for Murray to win a GS, he would need Roddick to serve badly, Federer to return badly, Rafa to be injured/exhausted and himself to come up with decent second serves.

rocketassist
07-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Rafa was far from his best then. In order for Murray to win a GS, he would need Roddick to serve badly, Federer to return badly, Rafa to be injured/exhausted and himself to come up with decent second serves.

:haha: go home, piggytard. Nadal fans and their dumb excuses every time he gets hit off court.

Corey Feldman
07-04-2009, 05:56 PM
when will RFK STFU

Dougie
07-04-2009, 05:57 PM
:haha: go home, piggytard. Nadal fans and their dumb excuses every time he gets hit off court.

I am at home, comfortably drunk. And I´m not a Nadal fan, but everyone knows Nadal was already exhausted by the time he played the Us Open last year. Murray had no chance against Federer in the final despite a favorable h2h. Maybe he will get it together eventually, but at the moment he doesn´t seem to be able to really take the win when it matters, he´s more like waiting for the other guy to lose.

Andi-M
07-04-2009, 06:04 PM
I think he will win AO and USO 2010.
I'm obviously hoping he wins USO this year but i think one more winter of getting stronger and fitter is reqired before we see the best of Murray. please win USO and prove me wrong Muz !

Iván
07-04-2009, 06:17 PM
He will win a slam, i have no doubts about that, most likely the us open.

He doesnt really like grass but his performance vs roddick was a big dissapointment.

Har-Tru
07-04-2009, 06:27 PM
He proved last year he can hit Nadal off the court at the Open, and if he has to do it again, he is more than capable.

Beating Roger in the final/SF is the ultimate test though.

I want to see a repeat of that match with both players at their best physically.

Sofonda Cox
07-04-2009, 06:30 PM
he's a man?

luie
07-04-2009, 06:51 PM
I want to see a repeat of that match with both players at their best physically.
Sadly you will a long wait :rolleyes: Nadull is never fresh or 100% physically at any time. If he actually played tennis instead of moonballing we might just see a match wher both a physically ready.

Andre'sNo1Fan
07-04-2009, 07:19 PM
Sadly you will a long wait :rolleyes: Nadull is never fresh or 100% physically at any time. If he actually played tennis instead of moonballing we might just see a match wher both a physically ready.
It must have killed you to have watched Nadal win all those grand slams, even Wimbeldon hahaha. And he's not finished yet.

luie
07-04-2009, 07:28 PM
It must have killed you to have watched Nadal win all those grand slams, even Wimbeldon hahaha. And he's not finished yet.
Nope. He derseves great credit for his GS titles as well as other titles.However his fans keep using the same tired excuse all the time,no pun intended. He is a young strong guy in his early 20's surely the exhaustion & injuries is a smoke screen for his failures.:mad:

dwynn10
07-04-2009, 07:44 PM
I think around 2010, but he has a great shot at the USO this year :yeah:

Um, that's what they said about Murray's chances for Wimby this year too...woulda, coulda, shoulda. Hope springs eternal, event if it's slightly pathetic and delusional.

«Ivan»
07-04-2009, 10:38 PM
When will that day come if ever?

Edit: 3rd option should be 2011-2014

you're funny.never.

littleash
07-04-2009, 11:35 PM
after the official apology from that umpire. :worship:

syc23
07-04-2009, 11:46 PM
Didn't Nadal lose 2 consecutive finals before 08?One defeat does mean the end of the world. Fed had some so-so results before he won his first Wimby on his 5th attempt.
So for Murray it's not the end of the world. He has plenty of other chances - certainly more chances than all the muppets here on the boards jumping on Murray's back.

jcempire
07-05-2009, 03:21 AM
2009 Us Open

ballbasher101
07-05-2009, 03:30 AM
I think he will win the US open next year or the year after. The US open is his best chance to win a major by a mile.

MIMIC
07-05-2009, 03:33 AM
Next year's USO maybe.

Audacity
07-05-2009, 12:25 PM
2010 US Open.

Roddickominator
07-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Murray is all-serve....players like that don't win slams nowadays.

marcRD
07-05-2009, 03:11 PM
I think the australian clearly is his best chanse to win a grand slam, the USOPEN may be just a bit too fast for his game.

Guga_fan
07-05-2009, 03:24 PM
I think the australian clearly is his best chanse to win a grand slam, the USOPEN may be just a bit too fast for his game.
I disagree, the bounce in Australia higher than in the Us Open, he could have a lot more trouble with power players. Besides that in Australia Tsonga, Djokovic and Nadal play really well, and in the USO his biggest threat is Federer only...

Lullaby
07-05-2009, 07:16 PM
Murray is all-serve....players like that don't win slams nowadays.

pmsl all serve


Murray has the greatest array of shots of any player playing today - trouble is even with the evidence mounting up against his beliefs he still thinks he should not go offensive a lot more than what he does, he will be slamless unless he wakes up to what petchey told him years ago and was was fired for saying

I am begining to think rg will be his 1st as he has less pressure there

DekuTheEvilClown
07-05-2009, 07:38 PM
Murray is all-serve....players like that don't win slams nowadays.

Murray has won 38% of return games this season, that makes him joint first with Nadal. Whereas Federer is at 27% which is joint 19th(behind the likes of Soderling)

If Murray is all serve then Federer must be a serve only mug that makes Karlovic look good of the ground.

DrJules
07-05-2009, 07:39 PM
Murray is all-serve....players like that don't win slams nowadays.

Murray has won 38% of return games this season, that makes him joint first with Nadal. Whereas Federer is at 27% which is joint 19th(behind the likes of Soderling)

If Murray is all serve then Federer must be a serve only mug that makes Karlovic look good of the ground.

After the Federer-Roddick match (serving contest)I assume the first comment is a joke.:lol::lol:

rocketassist
07-05-2009, 08:46 PM
Beating Fed in a GS is Murray's major obstacle to winning one of them, imo.

chris whiteside
07-06-2009, 01:04 PM
A few months ago I thought Murray would win a Slam this year however I'm turning towards the opinion that he might never - there will always be that one player who can take him out.

It was Verdasco at Aussie although admittedly Andy had a virus and kudos to him for not making it an excuse.

Clay is not his best surface but still he was mugged by the hard hitting of Gonzalez.

When I saw the Wimby draw I thought it would be Del Potro or Gonzalez who did the damage unless someone took them out early. This was obligingly done but then up popped another player in the from of Roddick. The Roddick/Murray match was decided on a couple of points similarly Federer/Roddick so Murray wasn't that far from winning Wimbledon.

However, worryingly Murray couldn't step up to it when he had the chance. It's been said time and time again he loses when he's too passive - in the end that's why he lost the first set against Roddick and probably the match.

Murray is so stubborn that he won't accept this but if all the commentators including the past players are citing this it's hard not to agree with them.

I still think he has a chance at this year's USO but it could very well be his last one. There are too many players coming up to challenge like Tsonga, Del Potro, Monfils, Verdasco.

I don't think he'll fade out of the top 10 but may stick around the middle for a few years but just not be able to make it to winning a Slam. Players are now able to work out strategies to beat him.

rofe
07-06-2009, 02:28 PM
I do wish Murray would listen to Larry. Even Roger said the same thing last year.


Murray urged to change mentality

Andy Murray is "stuck playing defensive tennis" and needs to "change his mentality" in order to win Grand Slams, according to top coach Larry Stefanki.

Stefanki works with Andy Roddick, who ended Murray's Wimbledon hopes at the semi-final stage on Friday.

"He has to change his mentality of the way he wants to play this game at the very top level," said Stefanki.

"He is stuck playing defensive tennis only, that was the big difference. I don't think he played enough offence."

Murray had been favourite to beat Roddick and become the first British man to reach a Wimbledon singles final since 1938, but lost in four sets to the American.

"I think the difference was that Murray's second serve was very attackable. That was the plan, to move in and club some second-serve returns," Stefanki said in an interview with Radio Wimbledon.

The 51-year-old has coached John McEnroe, Marcelo Rios, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, and Tim Henman in the past, leading Rios and Kafelnikov to world number one.

However, Stefani turned down a chance to work with Murray three years ago because the coach was not "mentally ready for the baggage" which he felt would have come with the job.

Yet, despite his criticism of the British number one, Stefanki is optimistic that the 22-year-old has got a bright future.

"Beside Roger Federer, he is the best mover in the game. He has the best footwork and he is technically very sound," he said.

"His record is great and he is a very strong-minded kid, and I like that, but he needs to recognise when to play offence. I don't think he sees it while he is playing right now and that's the next step for him.

"He is going to have a great future if he gets to the point of recognising balls to attack and to come into the forecourt and play there rather than 15 feet behind the baseline. He will win a lot of Slams, he is that good a mover.

"I think he has plenty of weapons. He hits the ball as cleanly as anybody but you have to learn when to use them and unload on certain balls and I don't see him doing that."

He has developed a big serve and can move the ball from A to B as well as anybody, he just does not know when to do it

Murray has risen to number three in the world since being outclassed by Rafael Nadal in the Wimbledon quarter-final 12 months ago, and Stefanki insisted with a few tweaks to his game Murray can win Grand Slams.

"Murray has the potential to play a lot more aggressively because he has the foot speed, because he can move the ball very quickly, but he has just chosen not to do that," he said.

"I like Andy Murray a lot and I respect his game. He plays it very smart but I still believe the game is played in the forecourt and at the net in order to win some big titles. He will win some big titles.

"You can get through the juniors just being a pusher, a retriever getting balls back.

"I call it negative tennis and that's not going to win you Slams. You have to have some offensive threat. He has developed a big serve and can move the ball from A to B as well as anybody, he just does not know when to do it."

Clydey
07-06-2009, 05:42 PM
pmsl all serve


Murray has the greatest array of shots of any player playing today - trouble is even with the evidence mounting up against his beliefs he still thinks he should not go offensive a lot more than what he does, he will be slamless unless he wakes up to what petchey told him years ago and was was fired for saying

I am begining to think rg will be his 1st as he has less pressure there

Petchey wasn't fired for telling Murray to be more aggressive. Where on earth did you hear that fairytale?

FedFan_2007
07-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Maybe Stefanki should STFU - becaus after what does he know about improving players to make GS finals? :rolleyes:

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-31-2010, 05:28 PM
Beating Fed in a GS is Murray's major obstacle to winning one of them, imo.

Holding true so far.

Persimmon
01-31-2010, 11:31 PM
Never is winning the poll. LOL.

Jelenin
02-01-2010, 01:07 AM
When Federer retires

tennisphilia
02-01-2010, 01:17 AM
He has a chance at Wimbledon and the US Open this year.

Mimi
02-01-2010, 01:41 AM
i think he has more chances to win a slam without facing roger:wavey:

paseo
02-01-2010, 04:04 AM
2011.

Clydey
02-01-2010, 06:24 AM
When Federer throws in a shithouse performance, like the one at the US Open. Would be nice if he was handing out sets to Murray like candy, the way he did at last year's USO final.

Si_yi
02-01-2010, 06:51 AM
i sincerely wish that he will never win a GS, but i'm pretty sure that he's gonna be a GS champion soon. prolly this year or next

crude oil
02-01-2010, 07:00 AM
too much doom and gloom.

murray will have his chances against federer in the future - he for one will be better and federer probably worse.

murray is the only player besides federer and nadal that i see, who can have the consistency to make it deep at slams (except RG).

looking forward to more andy-roger battles.

HarryMan
02-01-2010, 07:08 AM
Andy is unlucky to play in Federer's era. He has a lovely game and a lot of variety but unfortunately Federer has a lot of variety and imposing game himself. It makes it quite tough for Murray to beat Federer (he needs Federer to be below his best level and he can then beat Fed like he has done in smaller events).

At both of the slams finals, unfortunately for Murray, Federer was for most part of the match playing sublime tennis.

madmax17
02-01-2010, 07:12 AM
Why so serious :D I mean over-critical, he would have 2 already if it weren't for a certain best of all time in his way, he is second best on hard courts the math is clear.

So when Roger retires expect him to win some.

paseo
02-01-2010, 08:43 AM
When Federer throws in a shithouse performance, like the one at the US Open. Would be nice if he was handing out sets to Murray like candy, the way he did at last year's USO final.

Even though Clydey sounds like a bitter Murray fan :D, he's right though. If Fed played like he did against Murray, Del potro would lost straight sets too. Don't get me wrong, Del Potro is good, but people are overrating him. He's lucky Fed played like crap that night, but credit to him to have seized the opportunity.

Bottom line :
Fed at AO2010 final & USO08 final >>>>> Fed at USO09 final.

TennisLurker
02-01-2010, 08:53 AM
Even though Clydey sounds like a bitter Murray fan :D, he's right though. If Fed played like he did against Murray, Del potro would lost straight sets too. Don't get me wrong, Del Potro is good, but people are overrating him. He's lucky Fed played like crap that night, but credit to him to have seized the opportunity.

Bottom line :
Fed at AO2010 final & USO08 final >>>>> Fed at USO09 final.

The last three matches between Federer and Del Potro have been

3 sets victory for Del Potro
5 sets victory for Del Potro
5 sets victory for Federer

Did Federer also hand out 2 sets to Del Potro at the French Open?

And yes, he sounds bitter because it is not the first time he posts that some concept since Murray's defeat

Sophocles
02-01-2010, 09:49 AM
The trouble for Murray is there's a bit of needle between him & Federer (though people exaggerate it), just as there is or was between Federer & Djokovic, so Federer is especially determined not to lose to him in a slam. This isn't the case with Nadal or Del Potro.

On the other hand, Federer won't be getting any better over the next couple of years, whereas Murray, assuming he learns from this defeat - & he's clearly learned from what happened last year in the slams - will.

R.Federer
02-01-2010, 09:56 AM
So many good players, he still hasn't separated himself from the best of the rest on a consistent basis. He will have a run of great wins against Nadal/Djoko/Fed/others, and then when it counts he has sort of floundered.

He will need a good alignment of the stars... some luck, in draw, conditions, etc. He will find he's frequently at the "business end" of tournaments, but winning takes the complete deal + luck. Hard to say. Still believe that he'll win at least one in the next year or two.

paseo
02-01-2010, 10:23 AM
The last three matches between Federer and Del Potro have been

3 sets victory for Del Potro
5 sets victory for Del Potro
5 sets victory for Federer

Did Federer also hand out 2 sets to Del Potro at the French Open?

And yes, he sounds bitter because it is not the first time he posts that some concept since Murray's defeat

I thought we're only talking about GS finals here. Look, I'm not trying to take anything away from Del Potro here. It's not his fault that Fed was playing bad, he was the better player on that day and a deserved winner. But, come on man. You gotta admit that Fed was playing so much better in the finals against Murray. So much better.

You can say that Del Potro didn't allow Fed to play that well. Okay, fair argument. But, there's one shot that the opponent can't do anything about, it's the serve. And Fed's serve let him down that night against Del Potro. Unlucky for Fed, lucky for Del Potro. And like I said, credit to Del Potro for capitalizing on that. Heck, not many players can do it before against Fed, well no one except Nadal in fact.

Don't take this as a bad thing for Del Potro, though. Every champion needs luck. Fed, Nadal, and all past champions had their fair share of luck, too.

Dini
02-01-2010, 01:18 PM
I've got a feeling it'll be Wimbledon this year.

He's ready; he's just been unlucky to face such strong experience at this level on the other side of the net the two times he's been in a final.

rocketassist
02-01-2010, 01:21 PM
Djokovic and Del Potro won't be Wimbledon threats. He'll have to deal with Federer, but even now Federer's baseline game is less suited to grass as he can't flatten out his shots as well. He shanked so many balls against Roddick.

Roddick is the other main contender. I don't see Nadal being the same grass threat anymore, he'll focus on RGs now he has his one title he aimed for.

Vida
02-01-2010, 01:23 PM
"...Federer's baseline game is less suited to grass as he can't flatten out his shots as well...."

:lol:

rocketassist
02-01-2010, 01:25 PM
"...Federer's baseline game is less suited to grass as he can't flatten out his shots as well...."

:lol:

It's true. His serves and his net game are always better on grass, but he hasn't played truly great tennis throughout the Wimbledon fortnight since 2006.

Lucky to win the 07 final, played shit in the 08 and 09 finals and beat a bunch of mostly mugs and surprise semi finalists.

His hardcourt slams have been much better in terms of his level recently.

Vida
02-01-2010, 01:34 PM
someone can find the statistics, but its pretty sure thing fed is best on grass and nobody can touch him but in form nadal. even when he plays crap the other guy has to play a match of his life just to get near (final 09).

tennishero
02-01-2010, 01:40 PM
When Federer throws in a shithouse performance, like the one at the US Open. Would be nice if he was handing out sets to Murray like candy, the way he did at last year's USO final.

delpo > murray

del potro didnt allow federer to play, del potro handed him the 3rd set at the USO, the match at RG, ur excuses are pretty bad... besides murray got a piss easy draw to reach these finals, ill take the figures from my other post: murrays opponents average ranking to reach finals at AO was something like #48, whilst del potro's was #26.
just accept it murray got bitchslapped by federer, delpo has beaten him on the last 2 occasions, hence hes the better player.

rocketassist
02-01-2010, 01:42 PM
delpo > murray

del potro didnt allow federer to play, del potro handed him the 3rd set at the USO, the match at RG, ur excuses are pretty bad... besides murray got a piss easy draw to reach these finals, ill take the figures from my other post: murrays opponents average ranking to reach finals at AO was something like #48, whilst del potro's was #26.
just accept it murray got bitchslapped by federer, delpo has beaten him on the last 2 occasions, hence hes the better player.

Murray played the same three guys in the QF SF and F as Del Potro did in the USO. Stop being a biased fanboy.

tennishero
02-01-2010, 02:27 PM
Murray played the same three guys in the QF SF and F as Del Potro did in the USO. Stop being a biased fanboy.

sure they did but nadal retired, and cilic was tired and crap, also his draw before that was almost a bye.

Andresito
02-01-2010, 02:53 PM
Despite losing Australia, I think this is the year for Andy.

The love between Federer and Wimbledon is not going to finish this year, but maybe Murray has a chance on the US Open.

Persimmon
02-01-2010, 02:54 PM
I've got a feeling it'll be Wimbledon this year.

He's ready; he's just been unlucky to face such strong experience at this level on the other side of the net the two times he's been in a final.

Disagree. Fed's best slam is Wimbledon. Murray's best chance is at the USO this year.

MalwareDie
02-01-2010, 03:32 PM
Murray played the same three guys in the QF SF and F as Del Potro did in the USO. Stop being a biased fanboy.

You are demanding too much of him.

rocketassist
02-01-2010, 03:40 PM
sure they did but nadal retired, and cilic was tired and crap, also his draw before that was almost a bye.

Nadal was outclassed for two sets and would have lost injury or not, and Cilic was in better form than the USO and played better tennis over all.

Del Potro played Koellerer and old JCF before the quarters, it's not much in it.

tektonac
02-01-2010, 03:54 PM
if his draw is free of an attacking player with a big serve. Cilic was dead tired when he played Murray. Had he been fresh he would have wiped the floor with the pusher.

SetSampras
02-01-2010, 04:05 PM
BWAHAHAHAH!!! When will Murray man up? When will the pope take a piss test? Isnt going to happen

Ariel
02-01-2010, 06:58 PM
When Fed retires.

SheepleBuster
02-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Murray will win his first slam in 2013, a few months after the world ends in 2012

Farenhajt
02-01-2010, 07:41 PM
Hopefully the vicious circle of "big expectations - big jitters - brain collapse - yet another slam lost - even bigger expectations for the next time - even bigger jitters - etc." will work like charm.

abraxas21
02-25-2010, 03:10 AM
For me it is not much a question of 'will he win one' but more of a question of 'when will he win one'.

I used to think Murray was a muggy pusher with no real talent but now I can see he's actually quite talented and has what it takes to win a Grand Slam. However, he will need a bit of luck in his quest.. but i'm confident he'll win at least one.

coonster14
02-25-2010, 07:06 AM
i think he is too talented to end his career without winning a grand slam.

having said that, he may need to wait a while until Federer starts to lose it a little bit. To be honest, winning a grand slam these days, you do need a bit of luck on your side, too bad for Murray he just has not had it yet...

muc
02-25-2010, 07:25 AM
It s getting tired with this questions,he will win when he will win or not,nobody that asks for cuople other guys,but for Andy all the time,let it be people,time will tell.

oranges
02-25-2010, 09:19 AM
:yawn:

rolandgarros
02-25-2010, 11:04 AM
Never

Sophocles
02-25-2010, 11:17 AM
Deja vu.

jazar
02-25-2010, 11:31 AM
when hell freezes over

Jōris
02-25-2010, 11:34 AM
He already won the career slam, in our hearts.

Jaffas85
02-25-2010, 11:36 AM
Not this year, but I'm sure he will at some point (may have to wait until Federer starts becoming less dominant at slams, whenever that will be).

paseo
02-25-2010, 01:58 PM
2011.

Start da Game
02-25-2010, 02:06 PM
not until

1) he develops a heavy groundgame.......

or

2) he rediscovers his tactful approach towards the game, which he had initially........

Ibracadabra
02-25-2010, 02:17 PM
Never he is past his best.

MacTheKnife
02-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Murray appears to have turned a corner and is now headed in the other direction.

marcRD
02-25-2010, 02:58 PM
Never and I really mean it.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-03-2010, 03:19 AM
Never seems more and more logical as time passes.

RagingLamb
07-03-2010, 03:21 AM
Hopefully soon.

ossie
07-03-2010, 08:07 AM
back to back usopen and australian open

kooties
07-03-2010, 10:59 AM
USOpen 2010

Sapeod
07-03-2010, 02:36 PM
Has a good chance this US Open...a very good chance, seeing as it is his fav slam and his fav surface is hard.

green25814
07-03-2010, 02:52 PM
Has a good chance this US Open...a very good chance, seeing as it is his fav slam and his fav surface is hard.

:spit: Nice sig

Sapeod
07-03-2010, 02:54 PM
:spit: Nice sig
No it's not, it is a pathetic sig with a cheating idiot in it...

marvin0211
07-03-2010, 03:02 PM
No it's not, it is a pathetic sig with a cheating idiot in it...

lost a bet did you? :wavey: nice to eat a humble pie

swebright
07-03-2010, 03:10 PM
He has peaked. He just can't seem to get everything right together.
Nole was able to capitalize in AO; same with Del Po.
Murray should have got it at USO and FO but got beaten by Fed. He should fire up more. At least Nole had that attitute back then, but now it's gone.
so, the answer is Probably never.

Sapeod
07-03-2010, 03:15 PM
lost a bet did you? :wavey: nice to eat a humble pie
Yeah, I did. Atleast I go through with the bet and don't pussy out. Can't wait until US Open so I can get this pathetic cheater out of my sig.

misty1
07-03-2010, 03:17 PM
never, i think there will always be someone in his way

and the more times he falls at the same stage i think the more frustrating and damaging it is mentally for him

how many times can someone handle being so close and than losing at the same places?

Persimmon
07-03-2010, 03:34 PM
I think his first slam will be either USO 2010 or AO 2011. Like Nadal said, Murray will win a slam VERY SOON. HCs are coming.... and Fed is not the player he used to be... and Fed was the player that beat Murray at the finals of the 2 HC slams....

Langers
07-03-2010, 04:27 PM
2011 Australian Open.

allpro
07-03-2010, 04:35 PM
uso 2011 or ao 2012.

Vida
07-03-2010, 04:36 PM
same time when djokovic his 2nd - when they stop sucking up to their opponents.

nastoff
07-03-2010, 04:38 PM
when he stops twitter.

Sapeod
07-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Murray is bound to be a heavy favourite for US Open this year. Federer's form is slipping, Djokovic too, Cilic's too, Dull Potro is out with injury and Nadull doesn't do well at US Open. Murray could very well pick up his first slam there, atleast hopefully.

Filo V.
07-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Could be this years US Open. I think it's his best chance. I think he's a threat to win every year at the Open. I don't see him winning Wimbledon or the French any time soon if ever. The N.A. hardcourts suit his game well, and he should find his form on the surface.

yuri27
07-03-2010, 07:40 PM
i think he is too talented to end his career without winning a grand slam.

having said that, he may need to wait a while until Federer starts to lose it a little bit. To be honest, winning a grand slam these days, you do need a bit of luck on your side, too bad for Murray he just has not had it yet...


The same can be said about some other players and yet,we know that they'll almost for sure end their career without winning a GS.

debby
07-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Murray is bound to be a heavy favourite for US Open this year. Federer's form is slipping, Djokovic too, Cilic's too, Dull Potro is out with injury and Nadull doesn't do well at US Open. Murray could very well pick up his first slam there, atleast hopefully.

:worship: Murray will win the US Open 2010, I swear. He will beat Nadal in the final in straights. :drool:

The same can be said about some other players and yet,we know that they'll almost for sure end their career without winning a GS.

Are you talking about Gasquet ? He has no fitness, to begin with. No fighting spirit. He has only talent. In tennis, you need three things to succeed : talent, mindset/fighting spirit and fitness. Gasquet has only 1.

MIMIC
07-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Hmmm...went through this thread and last year I said that he might win this year's U.S. Open.

I think his only competition is Federer. I think that if Federer has anything to do with it, he is determined to never allow Murray to ever win a slam. I think that it's almost personal.

He can take care of anyone else.

Sapeod
07-03-2010, 08:23 PM
Hmmm...went through this thread and last year I said that he might win this year's U.S. Open.

I think his only competition is Federer. I think that if Federer has anything to do with it, he is determined to never allow Murray to ever win a slam. I think that it's almost personal.

He can take care of anyone else.
Why would Federer not want Murray to win a slam? :retard: It's not personal, Murray has just been unlucky to run into Fed each time...

debby
07-03-2010, 08:25 PM
It's not like Murray never beat Federer before...

zerocool_
07-03-2010, 09:44 PM
I hope never.

Tutu
07-03-2010, 09:46 PM
Never.

FEDERERBEAUTY
07-03-2010, 10:03 PM
The superflous word in the question is 'when'.
The answer to the question will he ever win is no.
He is not 'due' a slam
He does not 'deserve' a slam.

He's proved too many times now that he's not up to the task. Each loss is a nail in the coffin in his psyche and that's where champions separate from the also rans.

Ibracadabra
07-03-2010, 10:06 PM
Never.

Persimmon
07-03-2010, 10:14 PM
Hmmm...went through this thread and last year I said that he might win this year's U.S. Open.

I think his only competition is Federer. I think that if Federer has anything to do with it, he is determined to never allow Murray to ever win a slam. I think that it's almost personal.

He can take care of anyone else.

Maybe Fed is jealous of Murray for having that lovely gf Kim?:wavey:

MIMIC
07-04-2010, 01:52 AM
Why would Federer not want Murray to win a slam? :retard: It's not personal, Murray has just been unlucky to run into Fed each time...

No, I don't think that Federer is spitefully wishing that Murray never wins a slam, but rather that Federer is probably more determined to beat Murray in a slam because of 1) their H2H and 2) because it probably annoys him that Murray, slameless so far, is ever the favorite ahead of him. Thus giving Federer more reason to beat the crap out of him every time they play. Murray hasn't even won a set in their 2 slam meetings.

Of course, I'm just speculating :)

(I misspoke when I said that it was "personal"; I used the wrong word)

betowiec
07-04-2010, 01:54 AM
hopefully during this decade

Quakes
07-04-2010, 02:14 AM
2024, Wimbledon Mixed Doubles Legends. :lol:

Just kidding. I think he will win a hard court slam in this year or the next.

Zagor
07-04-2010, 07:53 AM
Winning a slam with defensive style of play and not good enough of a putaway FH is pretty hard.Not saying Murray can't play agressive tennis,he can but on big points,when the stakes are high you revert to your natural style of play and in Murray's case it's a defensive one.

It was evident in most of the big slam matches Murray played in the last few years(against Fed in AO and USO finals,Roddick in 2009 Wimbledon SF,against Nadal few days ago etc.),when the deciding points came Murray didn't take the initiative,allowed the opponent to control his destiny and paid the price.

In order for him to win a slam he needs either a favourable draw or some more aggression added to his game IMO.

yuri27
07-04-2010, 10:32 AM
:worship: Murray will win the US Open 2010, I swear. He will beat Nadal in the final in straights. :drool:



Are you talking about Gasquet ? He has no fitness, to begin with. No fighting spirit. He has only talent. In tennis, you need three things to succeed : talent, mindset/fighting spirit and fitness. Gasquet has only 1.


Fitness is a talent now???
Fighting spirit??? well,i'm not sure Murray is much better there.The guy has lost in 2 GS finals both in straight sets.

Anyway,you said that Murray is too talented to not win a GS so you didn't mention fitness and fighting spirit there.

debby
07-04-2010, 11:19 AM
Fitness is a talent now???
Fighting spirit??? well,i'm not sure Murray is much better there.The guy has lost in 2 GS finals both in straight sets.

Anyway,you said that Murray is too talented to not win a GS so you didn't mention fitness and fighting spirit there.

Well, you can't win a Slam based on the talent only, you need fitness and fighting spirit. Fitness is not talent, but it helps talent to grow up : there is a reason Gasquet doesn't belong in the top 10 anymore. :o

And Murray has a great fighting spirit, he lost in straights because he was playing Federer :wavey: I am not sure Gasquet would have done better. Murray won twice being 2 sets down against him, and has some interesting stats as well... He has some fitness, he can play 5 sets without being too tired, he gets injured much lesser than before...

yuri27
07-04-2010, 09:10 PM
Well, you can't win a Slam based on the talent only, you need fitness and fighting spirit. Fitness is not talent, but it helps talent to grow up : there is a reason Gasquet doesn't belong in the top 10 anymore. :o

And Murray has a great fighting spirit, he lost in straights because he was playing Federer :wavey: I am not sure Gasquet would have done better. Murray won twice being 2 sets down against him, and has some interesting stats as well... He has some fitness, he can play 5 sets without being too tired, he gets injured much lesser than before...

He certainly wouldn't have done better as he is not stronger than Murray mentally(far from it).
My point was just to say that Murray is not a mental giant too.

born_on_clay
07-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Australian Open 2011

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-06-2010, 04:40 AM
Never is becoming more and more likely

Topspindoctor
09-06-2010, 04:43 AM
If Murray wins a slam, I hope he never wins RG. 'Cause RG is my favorite slam by far and I'd hate the thought of that arrogant Murray winning it.

River
09-06-2010, 05:24 AM
It's slowly and unfortunately reaching that time of 'never.'

I don't hate Murray.... okay yes I do. But still, as objective as I can be, the fact is that even though Murray bulldozes through competition, regardless of what style of play he uses, he alwsys falls short. I'm beginning to think that it's not the England curse, but rather the "My name is Andy" curse.

But it HAS to be this year. If anything, making another GS final will at least be enough. But if he can't even reach a GS final next year, then it's safe to assume he's pretty much peaked.

gbmkc
09-06-2010, 05:54 AM
I don't see it happening. I don't know why.

ariel2
09-06-2010, 06:34 AM
Maybe his Mom can win a slam for him in 2011. She seems a lot tougher than her son.

adam10
09-06-2010, 09:22 AM
Maybe his Mom can win a slam for him in 2011. She seems a lot tougher than her son.

they can play the mixed double

sabina_RF_lee
09-06-2010, 09:43 AM
I chose never, dont know why but I feel that way

bokehlicious
09-06-2010, 09:48 AM
Chill out folks, Andy will still be the favourite to take next AO... :o :angel: :D

born_on_clay
09-06-2010, 10:31 AM
Maybe his Mom can win a slam for him in 2011. She seems a lot tougher than her son.

:haha:

henke007
09-06-2010, 11:07 AM
I can't see how Murray is gonna win a slam with that defensive game of his. Any hardhitter (Cilic, Wawrinka,Sod, Delpo) will take him out before Fed or Rafa gets the chance in Semis or Finals!!

He needs to improve his serve big time especially higher 1st serve % and the 2nd serve and the FH!!

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-30-2011, 10:59 AM
With men like Nadal & Djokovic around what chance does this Murray kid have.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-12-2011, 12:46 AM
Never seems very likely now.

Some of the posts from 1-2 years ago are comedy

Topspindoctor
09-12-2011, 01:24 AM
Never.

Mugray = male Wozniacki of ATP tour.

Egreen
09-12-2011, 02:41 AM
Clock is ticking. He will hit 25 next year.

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-28-2012, 05:47 PM
Never.

Mugray = male Wozniacki of ATP tour.

The failure continues into 2012

Allez
01-28-2012, 05:52 PM
Uso 2012.

Sound2k10
01-28-2012, 05:56 PM
Never.

Mugray = male Wozniacki of ATP tour.

If you're referring to being a pusher then he hits more winners that Djokovic, Nadal and Federer, so yeah.

dav abu
01-28-2012, 06:23 PM
Uso 2012.

Why is he always so highly rated going into the US Open? He has only made one final there and was soundly beaten. As well as the knock out to Wawrinka and Cilic. He is tipped in NY more than AO, I've never understood it.

ballbasher101
01-28-2012, 06:29 PM
Watching the highlights again at the moment. He was so close. That forehand was on fire. He will need that to fire at SW19 and the US open. I expect him to win a major this year, the US open most likely.

Gillouthe best
01-28-2012, 06:36 PM
This year is his best chance, altough I don't expect him to win any GS.

LleytonMonfils
01-28-2012, 06:37 PM
Wimbledon, just cause