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Nadal/Kafelnikov

Stgobaiano
02-12-2008, 03:58 AM
I have a discusion in other forum.
So I will ask here who has better achievements?(be objective without your feelings)

For me Nadal by far

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=deportes&id=deportestenis&tid=35530&tsn=21

Kolya
02-12-2008, 04:03 AM
Nadal 3 GS and No. 2
Kafelnikov 2 GS, 4 GS doubles and No. 1

Kafelnikov was one of my favourite players but I have to say Nadal is the better player.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2008, 04:05 AM
No REAL comparison possible. Different players, different times.

The disclaimers already posted, I'd say Rafa has a lot more possibilities in him for the future.

Marek.
02-12-2008, 04:13 AM
3(+) > 2

helgagonzalez
02-12-2008, 04:27 AM
No REAL comparison possible. Different players, different times.

The disclaimers already posted, I'd say Rafa has a lot more possibilities in him for the future.


I agree!

RagingLamb
02-12-2008, 04:27 AM
if Nadal's career ended today, it would be a lot tougher to pick him.

But given that it will continue, I would guess and say that Nadal is going to have the better career between the two, even though I always thought Kafelnikov was great

Dimonator133
02-12-2008, 04:48 AM
most worthless thread ever?

Why don't we just compare Diego Hartfield and Richard Krajicek? Why not John Isner and Thomas Muster?

KitinovRules
02-12-2008, 07:32 AM
Kafelnikov was more complete player.
He had everything.Good serve, great backhand, lovely touch at the net.
He got 2 GS, I think that he could have more if he played more consistntly.
The problem is that I think that competition in the 90's was much tougher than nowadays. I mean, Roger is maybe the best player ever, but it is only Roger. Now here is the new breeze with Faker, Gasquet .....
In the 90's there were Sampras, Goran who's got AK 47's number almost all the time, Agassi , Krajicek , Chang, Stich and Becker were still active.

Nathaliia
02-12-2008, 07:34 AM
It's not a bad question. I really liked Kafel and I don't like Nadal too much, but trying to be objective, throughout his whole career Kafelnikov achieved more. Of course we can discuss if his times were more difficult or Nadal's times are (and I think at the Kafelnikov's era it was more difficult to grab the important spots).

Also mind that the Russian won the slams in doubles, which isn't easy at all, and the slams he won were on different surfaces.

Kafelnikov is a better poker player, Nadal is probably a better playstation player :).

Next year my answer to this question may be different. Or may be not, if guys like Djokovic and Tsonga keep developing.

bokehlicious
02-12-2008, 08:34 AM
Kafelnikov is a better poker player

Not quite sure about this one, Kafel is not exactly a poker master... :shrug: :angel:

Tennis-wise, Rafa is waaay ahead of Kafel...

Kolya
02-12-2008, 08:37 AM
Not quite sure about this one, Kafel is not exactly a poker master... :shrug: :angel:

Tennis-wise, Rafa is waaay ahead of Kafel...

Not as good as Patrik hey? :)

Nathaliia
02-12-2008, 08:39 AM
JM is a poker master. See ya in Warsaw champ.

bokehlicious
02-12-2008, 08:41 AM
Not as good as Patrik hey? :)

Kafel is a poker journeyman, Patrik is the poker GOAT :cool: :o

JM is a poker master. See ya in Warsaw champ.


Hope to see you there honey :wavey:

MariaV
02-12-2008, 08:44 AM
Tennis-wise, Rafa is waaay ahead of Kafel...

:eek: :eek: :bolt:
:haha:

bokehlicious
02-12-2008, 08:51 AM
:eek: :eek: :bolt:
:haha:

You don't agree with me? :confused: :angel:

Puschkin
02-12-2008, 09:00 AM
Also mind that the Russian won the slams in doubles, which isn't easy at all...

:yeah: Roland Garros singles and doubles champion in the same year. :worship:

I admit frankly, I am biased on this question, as Evgenij was one of my long-time favourites. I liked his versatility, he could play on all surfaces. He could win almost any tournamant he entered, but also lose terribly, though. In a nut -shell: I prefer his game to Nadal's. :)

Nathaliia
02-12-2008, 09:09 AM
Nadal's latest loss to Youzhny brought back all the best Zhenya's losses.

The difference is that Kafelnikov usually made money on losing like that ;).

Johnny Groove
02-12-2008, 09:45 AM
Nadal's latest loss to Youzhny brought back all the best Zhenya's losses.

The difference is that Kafelnikov usually made money on losing like that ;).

If Nadal was Russian he would too ;)

Kolya
02-12-2008, 09:53 AM
Kafelnikov is a money player.

Voo de Mar
02-12-2008, 01:38 PM
It's hard to compare a retired player with an active one who has theoretically many years ahead. One thing is clear - Nadal won't achieve so many successes in doubles as Kafelnikov did.

NyGeL
02-12-2008, 02:09 PM
Best Kafelnikov would kick Best Nadal,s ass.

He was far more complete, despite he didn,t won as much as he could.

TheBoiledEgg
02-12-2008, 03:56 PM
I'd like to see Nadal get to #1 losing 6 matches in a row :p

Zhenya :bowdown:

Manon
02-12-2008, 04:13 PM
most worthless thread ever?

Why don't we just compare Diego Hartfield and Richard Krajicek? Why not John Isner and Thomas Muster?
exactly.

cc2monac
02-12-2008, 04:40 PM
my heart cannot answer this pool! my active fav vs my retired fav...impossible
but my brain tells me that we cannos answer anyway because Rafa is still playing. He has time to win a lot more and to be number one like Evgeny did.

Snowwy
02-12-2008, 04:40 PM
most worthless thread ever?

Why don't we just compare Diego Hartfield and Richard Krajicek? Why not John Isner and Thomas Muster?

Wait, so who are you calling the Hartfield or the Isner of this topic?

stebs
02-12-2008, 06:33 PM
Nadal shades it right now but it's close. When the Spainards career5 is over it will not be close.

platinum
02-12-2008, 07:39 PM
Nadal.

Kolya
02-13-2008, 12:16 AM
Best Kafelnikov would kick Best Nadal,s ass.

He was far more complete, despite he didn,t won as much as he could.

Not on clay though.

But Kafelnikov did push Kuerten to the limit when Guga was at his peak on clay.

Tnn74
02-13-2008, 12:23 AM
I'd like to see Nadal get to #1 losing 6 matches in a row :p

Zhenya :bowdown:

I'd like to see Kafelnikov do that since Fed took over #1 :o

ChinoRios4Ever
02-13-2008, 02:13 AM
good question

Nadal is still young and i think he will add some good moments in the future

CyBorg
02-13-2008, 02:22 AM
The #1 aspect shouldn't be relevant. Kafelnikov was not a contemporary of a peak Federer.

Look at peak ATP points accumulation. Nadal by far.

Komodo
02-13-2008, 03:09 AM
Right now Kafelnikov, counting his 2000 Olympic singles gold medal and that he was no1 is more than Nadals extra slam in my opinion.

But it is stupid to compare a 21 year old with Kafelnikovs entire career achievements.

And the fact that it already is very close says a lot about how the comparison will look eventually.

Johnny Groove
02-13-2008, 03:29 AM
Not on clay though.

But Kafelnikov did push Kuerten to the limit when Guga was at his peak on clay.

Nadal would beat Kefelnikov 19/20 times on clay

Corey Feldman
02-13-2008, 07:19 PM
Nadal 3 GS and No. 2
Kafelnikov 2 GS, 4 GS doubles and No. 1

Kafelnikov was one of my favourite players but I have to say Nadal is the better player.Dont forget Kalashnikov's Olympic title as well

its a funny one when you have a guy with 1 more Slam (Nadal > Kaf) but yet, at least Kaf has proved he can win at 2 GS Venues - not something that alot of players do in a career, and was No.1 - so its even to me.