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The Wimbledon Draw is Out!!!

rue
06-17-2004, 01:49 PM
Here is a look at the Wimbledon draw for this year.


Top Half

1 [1] FEDERER, Roger SUI
2 (W) BOGDANOVIC, Alex GBR

3 (Q) QUALIFIER,
4 (Q) QUALIFIER,

5 MARTIN, Alberto ESP
6 SANTORO, Fabrice FRA

7 JOHANSSON, Thomas SWE
8 [29] KIEFER, Nicolas GER

9 [18] LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP
10 (W) BLOOMFIELD, Richard GBR

11 SAULNIER, Cyril FRA
12 LLODRA, Michael FRA

13 ELSENEER, Gilles BEL
14 (W) PARMAR, Arvind GBR

15 KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO
16 [13] SRICHAPHAN, Paradorn THA

17 [9] MOYA, Carlos ESP
18 (Q) QUALIFIER,

19 CORRETJA, Alex ESP
20 STEPANEK, Radek CZE

21 SARGSIAN, Sargis ARM
22 LOPEZ, Marc ESP

23 TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS
24 [19] SAFIN, Marat RUS

25 [31] YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS
26 IVANISEVIC, Goran CRO

27 (Q) QUALIFIER,
28 VOLANDRI, Filippo ITA

29 LABADZE, Irakli GEO
30 VLIEGEN, Kristof BEL

31 MELZER, Jurgen AUT
32 [7] HEWITT, Lleyton AUS

33 [3] CORIA, Guillermo ARG
34 MOODIE, Wesley RSA

35 MAYER, Florian GER
36 ARTHURS, Wayne AUS

37 KUCERA, Karol SVK
38 HERNANDEZ, Oscar ESP

39 FERREIRA, Wayne RSA
40 [28] LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO

41 [17] BJORKMAN, Jonas SWE
42 SLUITER, Raemon NED

43 VACEK, Jan CZE
44 LU, Yen-Hsun TPE

45 CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA
46 JOHANSSON, Joachim SWE

47 (Q) QUALIFIER,
48 [14] FISH, Mardy USA

49 [10] GROSJEAN, Sebastien FRA
50 ASCIONE, Thierry FRA

51 ROCHUS, Olivier BEL
52 CARRAZ, Gregory FRA

53 (Q) QUALIFIER,
54 (Q) QUALIFIER,

55 GAMBILL, Jan-Michael USA
56 [23] MIRNYI, Max BLR

57 [27] GINEPRI, Robby USA
58 (Q) QUALIFIER,

59 VERDASCO, Fernando ESP
60 (Q) QUALIFIER,

61 KOUBEK, Stefan AUT
62 ACASUSO, Jose ARG

63 BOUTTER, Julien FRA
64 [6] FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP


bottom half

65 [5] HENMAN, Tim GBR
66 RAMIREZ HIDALGO, Ruben ESP

67 SARETTA, Flavio BRA
68 (Q) QUALIFIER,

69 FERRER, David ESP
70 HANESCU, Victor ROM

71 (Q) QUALIFIER,
72 [32] ARAZI, Hicham MAR

73 [24] GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI
74 VASSALLO ARGUELLO, Martin ITA

75 ANDREEV, Igor RUS
76 VAN LOTTUM, John NED

77 VERKERK, Martin NED
78 DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS

79 (Q) QUALIFIER,
80 [11] PHILIPPOUSSIS, Mark AUS

81 [16] NOVAK, Jiri CZE
82 MALISSE, Xavier BEL

83 DUPUIS, Antony FRA
84 HAAS, Tommy GER

85 BECK, Karol SVK
86 (W) MARRAY, Jonathan GBR

87 BLAKE, James USA
88 [20] ROBREDO, Tommy ESP

89 [25] HRBATY, Dominik SVK
90 SANCHEZ, David ESP

91 (W) HILTON, Mark GBR
92 COSTA, Albert ESP

93 (Q) QUALIFIER,
94 BERDYCH, Tomas CZE

95 ANCIC, Mario CRO
96 [4] NALBANDIAN, David ARG

97 [8] SCHUETTLER, Rainer GER
98 SODERLING, Robin SWE

99 (W) RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
100 (Q) QUALIFIER,

101 MANTILLA, Felix ESP
102 PLESS, Kristian DEN

103 (W) REID, Todd AUS
104 [30] SPADEA, Vincent USA

105 [21] CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG
106 BURGSMULLER, Lars GER

107 ENQVIST, Thomas SWE
108 BLANCO, Galo ESP

109 MARTIN, Todd USA
110 CANAS, Guillermo ARG

111 (W) CHILDS, Lee GBR
112 [12] SCHALKEN, Sjeng NED

113 [15] MASSU, Nicolas CHI
114 POPP, Alexander GER

115 ULIHRACH, Bohdan CZE
116 MONTANES, Albert ESP

117 CARLSEN, Kenneth DEN
118 (Q) QUALIFIER,

119 (Q) QUALIFIER,
120 [22] PAVEL, Andrei ROM

121 [26] DENT, Taylor USA
122 (Q) QUALIFIER,

123 HORNA, Luis PER
124 VAN SCHEPPINGEN, Dennis NED

125 NADAL, Rafael ESP
126 SALZENSTEIN, Jeff USA

127 (Q) QUALIFIER,
128 [2] RODDICK, Andy USA

jtipson
06-17-2004, 01:51 PM
Yes, it has been out for several hours now ;) - see tournament forum. Nobody's had that much to say about it yet, except that Lleyton's got a tough path, and Nalbandian has a rather tricky first round....

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 01:51 PM
Too bad Nadal hasn't informed Wimbledon in time that he was not playing Wimbledon, as he only started training and is going to play in Sweden after Wimbledon.

The Lucky Loser should be getting his spot and not the most difficult draw for Roddick.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 01:56 PM
yea I was shocked that there was no GM thread when I came to the boards.... glad that all is right with the world now LOL

That's really too bad Nadal didn't pull out in time, are people SURE he's not playing or could he have decided to give it a shot last minute? Blake too, though he's just going to the doctor today.... but he's in the US still I believe.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 01:58 PM
Fucking Bullshit as usual~~ the Poms have to rig the Draw for Henman!!!

**Wimbledon is the only tournament which is so clearly dodgy-->> there should be a Protest by all players {except Tiger Tim can be excluded}!

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 01:59 PM
One can never totally sure, but I don't see Nadal playing Wimbledon, when he only just got back on the court and Blake he will try everything he can to play, but I don't think he will be showing up either.

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 02:00 PM
Fucking Bullshit as usual~~ the Poms have to rig the Draw for Henman!!!

**Wimbledon is the only tournament which is so clearly dodgy-->> there should be a Protest by all players {except Tiger Tim can be excluded}!

Did you forget the 2003 US Open?

star
06-17-2004, 02:04 PM
I think there would have been more comment on the board if Federer had gotten Henman and Nalbandian in his half of the draw. :)

denim
06-17-2004, 02:04 PM
Fucking Bullshit as usual~~ the Poms have to rig the Draw for Henman!!!

**Wimbledon is the only tournament which is so clearly dodgy-->> there should be a Protest by all players {except Tiger Tim can be excluded}!



Oh believe me... Rusedski is capable of going out to a qualifier :lol:

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 02:05 PM
Oh believe me... Rusedski is capable of going out to a qualifier :lol:

As long as a guy from the crowd doesn't scream out.

jtipson
06-17-2004, 02:09 PM
Fucking Bullshit as usual~~ the Poms have to rig the Draw for Henman!!!



If they had rigged it, I think they'd have done a better job and put him in Coria's quarter ;)

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 02:13 PM
Did you forget the 2003 US Open?
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd1 = Melzer(on form in 04); Rd2 = Labadze (on form in 04);
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion); Rd4 = Safin (uber talent) or Moya (Carlos has leading H2H with Lleyton); QF = Federer (perhaps the most dominant champion since Sampras); SF = Grosjean/Ferrero/Coria??; Final = Roddick/Nalbandian/Henman/...

Maybe the Wimbledon committee perceive this as some kind of revenge for Hewitt winning in 02 BUT looks like another kick-in-the teeth for Rocky Llegs after they offered him 200cm giant Karlovic in Rd1 last year :sad: .

Wimbledon snobs can shove it up their arse; Imperialistic arrogant morons!

jtipson
06-17-2004, 02:14 PM
I think there would have been more comment on the board if Federer had gotten Henman and Nalbandian in his half of the draw. :)

There would have been from me, that's for sure. It's about time Roger and David weren't in the same quarter of the draw at a Grand Slam! Having Henman the other side is nice too. At least Roddick can only play one of them at most, they're not in his quarter.

jtipson
06-17-2004, 02:17 PM
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd1 = Melzer(on form in 04); Rd2 = Labadze (on form in 04);
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion); Rd4 = Safin (uber talent) or Moya (Carlos has leading H2H with Lleyton); QF = Federer (perhaps the most dominant champion since Sampras); SF = Grosjean/Ferrero/Coria??; Final = Roddick/Nalbandian/Henman/...

Maybe the Wimbledon committee perceive this as some kind of revenge for Hewitt winning in 02 BUT looks like another kick-in-the teeth for Rocky Llegs after they offered him 200cm giant Karlovic in Rd1 last year :sad: .

Wimbledon snobs can shove it up their arse; Imperialistic arrogant morons!

I agree it's a tough draw, but Hewitt is lucky that the AELTC went with the 2002 seeding formula. If they'd stuck with last year's (which is only very slightly different), he wouldn't even have been seeded top 8.

alfonsojose
06-17-2004, 02:19 PM
Todd Martin against Guillermo Cañas, OMFG, the score will be 7-6,6-7,7-6,6-7,102-100 :tape:

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 02:21 PM
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd1 = Melzer(on form in 04); Rd2 = Labadze (on form in 04);
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion); Rd4 = Safin (uber talent) or Moya (Carlos has leading H2H with Lleyton); QF = Federer (perhaps the most dominant champion since Sampras); SF = Grosjean/Ferrero/Coria??; Final = Roddick/Nalbandian/Henman/...

Maybe the Wimbledon committee perceive this as some kind of revenge for Hewitt winning in 02 BUT looks like another kick-in-the teeth for Rocky Llegs after they offered him 200cm giant Karlovic in Rd1 last year :sad: .

Wimbledon snobs can shove it up their arse; Imperialistic arrogant morons!

Unseasonal rain and bad organisation, but the winner of that was deserved.

As for Hewitt, well he did not get the easiest draw, but when was the last time that every seeded player made it through to their respective rounds.

star
06-17-2004, 02:21 PM
ah....... Jtipson, you have more information about "the formula." You know how I long for all those tidbits! :lol:

Where did you find out this information?

Aleksa's Laydee
06-17-2004, 02:22 PM
97 [8] SCHUETTLER, Rainer GER
98 SODERLING, Robin SWE

99 (W) RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
100 (Q) QUALIFIER

eek!! for greg hope he can get past these players!!

Wulfram
06-17-2004, 02:22 PM
If they had rigged it, I think they'd have done a better job and put him in Coria's quarter ;)

Yes. Nalbandian is probably the top player who causes Tim the most problems, after Hewitt. Even Federer or Roddick would be preferable IMO.

jtipson
06-17-2004, 02:23 PM
Hi star :wavey:, there was some information from rec.sport.tennis and Bob Larson. I've posted it on the seeds thread in GM.

star
06-17-2004, 02:24 PM
I agree that you can't get too upset about the draws. Sometimes what looks to be a horrendous draw clears out amazingly.

I do hope that Nadal can play because I would like to see him play Andy. But, it appears that even if he did play he wouldn't be match tough. A lucky loser will get his spot if he doesn't play, and since he isn't seeded, it doesn't make much difference that he didn't notify the tournament of his withdrawal.

star
06-17-2004, 02:25 PM
Hi star :wavey:, there was some information from rec.sport.tennis and Bob Larson. I've posted it on the seeds thread in GM.


Oh great! I'll go check those threads. :)

:kiss: Thank you!

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 02:26 PM
Todd Martin against Guillermo Cañas, OMFG, the score will be 7-6,6-7,7-6,6-7,102-100 :tape:

:haha: so true, so true!!!!!

Bebka
06-17-2004, 02:35 PM
I know this is a Mens forum, but if possible, can some one post the womens draw aswell? :worship:

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 02:36 PM
Everything is posted at www.wimbledon.org including all the dubs draws and everything :)

Here's a preview of the draw from the wimby site...if Nadal isn't playing they don't know about it yet LOL
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Gentlemen's Singles Preview
Thursday, June 17, 2004


Roger Federer of Switzerland, the favourite to retain the Wimbledon title he won last year over Mark Philippoussis, will open The Championships on the Centre Court on Monday against British wild card Alex Bogdanovic.

Top seeded Federer should have an easy paced start against Bogdanovic who turned 20 last month and is ranked 307th in the world. Once Federer is through that test he will play a qualifier in the second round.

Later in the tournament Federer is due a fourth round match against Carlos Moya of Spain with former champion Lleyton Hewitt of Australia his potential quarter-final opponent. Hewitt was beaten in the first round last year by the qualifier Ivo Karlovic,the first time a defending champion had lost at that stage since 1967. Seventh seed Hewitt opens this year against the Austrian Jurgen Melzer.

Federer should face third seed Guillermo Coria of Argentina in the semi-final but Coria, runner-up at the French Open title this month, has not won a match at Wimbledon in two attempts. Coria also has a potentially difficult opening match against the 6ft 5in South African Wes Moodie. Coria
also has the durable Australian Wayne Arthurs and the experienced South African Wayne Ferreira in his section of the draw.

Spain's Juan Carlos Ferrero, who was beaten in the second round of his defence of the French Open title, is sixth seed at Wimbledon and in line to play Coria in the quarter-final. But the American Mardy Fish or Sebastien Grosjean of France could cause problems for Ferrero before then.

US Open champion Andy Roddick, at his highest place of second seed this year after reaching the semi finals from fifth seed last year, starts against a qualifier and is then due to play the Spanish teenager Rafel Nadal, who is recovering from a foot injury, or the American Jeff
Salzenstein.

The strong serving Taylor Dent of the USA is in Roddick's section of the draw while Sjeng Schalken of the Netherlands, highly experienced on Wimbledon grass, could come into Roddick's sights as well.

Roddick's scheduled quarter-final opponent is Rainer Schuettler of Germany who was the second most improved player in the world last year, winning 71 matches. At the semi-final stage Roddick is due to face the Argentine David Nalbandian, finalist in 2002. Nalbandian played his first match on Centre Court in that final against Hewitt and was given special permission to warm up on the court beforehand.

Nalbandian is seeded to play the British No 1 Tim Henman, four times a semi-finalist, in the quarter-final. Fifth seeded Henman, a semi-finalist at the French Open in his best Grand Slam performance on clay, begins against Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo of Spain who will be making his debut in The Championships.

Henman should then move on to play Flavio Saretta of Brazil with Hicham Arazi of Morocco coming up in the third round. At the last sixteen stage Henman should face last year's runner up, Mark Philippoussis who beat him in 2000. Henman's fellow British Davis Cup player Greg Rusedski, a wild card, begins against a qualifier and should play Schuettler in the second round.

Goran Ivanisevic of Croatia, who is playing at Wimbledon for the first time since he beat Patrick Rafter in the 2001 final, begins against a qualifier to meet either the Italian Filippo Volandri or the Georgian Irakli Labadze.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 02:40 PM
65 [5] HENMAN, Tim GBR
66 RAMIREZ HIDALGO, Ruben ESP

67 SARETTA, Flavio BRA
68 (Q) QUALIFIER,

69 FERRER, David ESP
70 HANESCU, Victor ROM

71 (Q) QUALIFIER,
72 [32] ARAZI, Hicham MAR

73 [24] GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI
74 VASSALLO ARGUELLO, Martin ITA

75 ANDREEV, Igor RUS
76 VAN LOTTUM, John NED

77 VERKERK, Martin NED
78 DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS

79 (Q) QUALIFIER,
80 [11] PHILIPPOUSSIS, Mark AUS

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@@ Look at Henman's Quarter; easily the weakest of the four; absolutely the committee has guranteed Tiger Tim making it atleast to the QF's again!

Philippoussis is the only 'danger man' for Tim; HOWEVER Mark Poo Poo Scud hasn't won any matches at an ATP/ITF point scoring tournament since January~~ so the committee realised he won't even make it to Rd4; then Henman can continue his smooth passage until QF with Nalbandian{who's apparently injured & may still pull-out}.
Wimbledon Committee should be investigated by an independent Tennis body/organisation for their blatant rigging!!

athie
06-17-2004, 02:40 PM
Chela vs. Burgsmüller *sigh*
Interesting they haven't yet met. Thank gawd Wimbly is grass :D

Experimentee
06-17-2004, 02:42 PM
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd1 = Melzer(on form in 04); Rd2 = Labadze (on form in 04);
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion); Rd4 = Safin (uber talent) or Moya (Carlos has leading H2H with Lleyton); QF = Federer (perhaps the most dominant champion since Sampras); SF = Grosjean/Ferrero/Coria??; Final = Roddick/Nalbandian/Henman/...

Maybe the Wimbledon committee perceive this as some kind of revenge for Hewitt winning in 02 BUT looks like another kick-in-the teeth for Rocky Llegs after they offered him 200cm giant Karlovic in Rd1 last year :sad: .

Wimbledon snobs can shove it up their arse; Imperialistic arrogant morons!

I dont really think Hewitt's draw is that hard. Out of all the dangerous unseeded grass players i can mention he didnt get any of those in his section (Karlovic, Ancic, Sluiter, Popp etc). I dont think Melzer is any good on grass, at least not as good as on clay or hard, and Labadze had one good tournament but hasnt done anything else since. I cant remember the last time Ivanisevic actually won a match. Moya owns Hewitt, but what can he do on grass? Hewitt would definitely have the advantage on this surface. His draw definitely could be worse.

As for last year, no one knew how good Karlovic was until he beat Hewitt, so they couldnt have rigged that ;)

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 02:42 PM
CmonAussie, even though I am troll. I think you are overreacting, if they really wanted Henman that bad to be favoured, he would have Coria as QF opponent, Massu as the 4R round.

Neely
06-17-2004, 02:44 PM
Todd Martin against Guillermo Cañas, OMFG, the score will be 7-6,6-7,7-6,6-7,102-100 :tape:
yes, but I hope for Toddy winning 102-100 then :cool: :angel: :clap2:

Experimentee
06-17-2004, 02:49 PM
I agree that Henman has a piss easy draw. I knew he would, just like every year at Wimbledon. Its starting to look rather suspicious. I cant remember the last time Henman got a tough draw at Wimby.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 02:50 PM
CmonAussie, even though I am troll. I think you are overreacting, if they really wanted Henman that bad to be favoured, he would have Coria as QF opponent, Massu as the 4R round.
:wavey:
Maybe I am overreacting a little{due to Hewitt's shocking bad luck} BUT Henman has managed Wimbledon SF 4-times & QF twice~~ yet I can't actually remember him ever beating anyone of significant talent! Every year Tiger Tim's Draw is the softest but this year it's outrageously & blatantly rigged :eek: !!! * IF you analyse each of the Quarters carefully{inlcluding Darkhorse players} then I think you'll agree with me :cool: .

FanOfHewitt
06-17-2004, 02:54 PM
This is Lleyton's chance to answer his critics who said he only won Wimbeldon becuase he had an easy draw. I hope he's up for the challenge.

C'MON ROCK! There's no easy way out!

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 02:56 PM
:wavey:
Maybe I am overreacting a little{due to Hewitt's shocking bad luck} BUT Henman has managed Wimbledon SF 4-times & QF twice~~ yet I can't actually remember him ever beating anyone of significant talent! Every year Tiger Tim's Draw is the softest but this year it's outrageously & blatantly rigged :eek: !!! * IF you analyse each of the Quarters carefully{inlcluding Darkhorse players} then I think you'll agree with me :cool: .

Henman might have had 4 Wimbledon semis but how many more Wimbledon titles does Hewitt have? Then again Hewitt's Wimbledon triumph in 2002 has been questioned about the strength of draw, this is not my personal view.

It doesn't matter as Henman does not win, and not much ever really goes that much to plan it's not the WTA for example.

alfonsojose
06-17-2004, 03:00 PM
Nadal and Blake :rolleyes:

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 03:03 PM
This is Lleyton's chance to answer his critics who said he only won Wimbeldon becuase he had an easy draw. I hope he's up for the challenge.

C'MON ROCK! There's no easy way out!
:wavey: :cool:
* Yeah you're probably right FanOfHewitt; if Rocky Llegs manages to win Wimbledon 04 by beating: Ivanisavic/Safin or Moya/Federer/Ferrero or Grosjean/ Henman or Roddick... in that sequence THEN nobody would dare challenge his validity as champion again :worship: !

PS~ In hindsight Gaudio's Draw at FO looked pretty tough BUT he beat the odds; lets hope Hewitt can sneak through all those hurdles too ;) !

drf716
06-17-2004, 03:05 PM
why are the all the russians on the same draw? oh well tough luck

WyveN
06-17-2004, 03:05 PM
@@ Look at Henman's Quarter; easily the weakest of the four; absolutely the committee has guranteed Tiger Tim making it atleast to the QF's again!

Mate, where was all this complaining when Hewitt got a ride to the FO quarters?

I remmmember some brilliant quotes about seizing the day, striking while the iron is hot, knowing when to hold them, fold them etc when i questioned his "easy" draw.

Lleyton actually has a opportunity to beat a few top 30 players for the first time in a while.

Semis I think: Grosjean/Federer - Roddick/Henman

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 03:12 PM
Mate, where was all this complaining when Hewitt got a ride to the FO quarters?

I remmmember some brilliant quotes about seizing the day, striking while the iron is hot, knowing when to hold them, fold them etc when i questioned his "easy" draw.

Lleyton actually has a opportunity to beat a few top 30 players for the first time in a while.

Semis I think: Grosjean/Federer - Roddick/Henman
:wavey:
YEah you've got me there WyveN mate~ I knew those cliches/proverbs would come back to bite me: BUT if you want to compare FO Draws then obviously Henman's path there was much easier than Hewitt's to QF stage. I believe Tiger Tim didn't have to beat anyone ranked above #80 before he got Chela in QF.

bigW Semis = Federer vs Ferrero: Roddick vs Henman
Final = Federer vs Roddick {Champion = Roger in 3-easy sets}
... This year could be the most predictable Wimbledon in recent years :sad: !

FanOfHewitt
06-17-2004, 03:16 PM
yeah for sure CmonAussie, its what Lleyton does best, battle and triumph against adversity!

It's great if he wins facing mediocre opposition but its oh so much better when he wins fighting it out against the best. And he's no stranger to beating the worlds best one after another, as his two Tennis Masters Cups would indicate.

WyveN, about an easy draw at the French, what's so easy about being scheduled to face a former French Open finalist and a former French Open winner before you even get to the quater finals? No he didn't end up facing Costa but for Mailsse to beat him it shows what kind of form Malisse was in.

Billabong
06-17-2004, 03:19 PM
:wavey:
YEah you've got me there WyveN mate~ I knew those cliches/proverbs would come back to bite me: BUT if you want to compare FO Draws then obviously Henman's path there was much easier than Hewitt's to QF stage. I believe Tiger Tim didn't have to beat anyone ranked above #80 before he got Chela in QF.

bigW Semis = Federer vs Ferrero: Roddick vs Henman
Final = Federer vs Roddick {Champion = Roger in 3-easy sets}
... This year could be the most predictable Wimbledon in recent years :sad: !

Ferrero in the semis?? I would LOVE to see him there, but I doubt it.. with all his physical problems and lack of match play, it will be tough for him... plus it's on grass... but I hope all the best for him:D!!!
GOOOOOOOOOO JC:bounce:!!!!!!

WyveN
06-17-2004, 03:20 PM
:wavey:
YEah you've got me there WyveN mate~ I knew those cliches/proverbs would come back to bite me: BUT if you want to compare FO Draws then obviously Henman's path there was much easier than Hewitt's to QF stage. I believe Tiger Tim didn't have to beat anyone ranked above #80 before he got Chela in QF.


Thats true, Hewitt could have certainly made the semis with Henman's draw but draws even out over a time period. Tim got Roddick first round at USO.

As for Wimbledon, second & third quarters look fairly easy so I guess a lot of good grass players had a 50% chance at a "good draw".


bigW Semis = Federer vs Ferrero: Roddick vs Henman
Final = Federer vs Roddick {Champion = Roger in 3-easy sets}
... This year could be the most predictable Wimbledon in recent years :sad: !

The second quarter is pretty open so could be a surprise there but yeah it would be a shock if Roddick, Henman or Federer dont make semis.

Corey Feldman
06-17-2004, 03:22 PM
:wavey:
Maybe I am overreacting a little{due to Hewitt's shocking bad luck} BUT Henman has managed Wimbledon SF 4-times & QF twice~~ yet I can't actually remember him ever beating anyone of significant talent! Every year Tiger Tim's Draw is the softest but this year it's outrageously & blatantly rigged :eek: !!! * IF you analyse each of the Quarters carefully{inlcluding Darkhorse players} then I think you'll agree with me :cool: .

aussie, its 4 sf's and 3 qf's

since 1996 henmans beaten at wimbledon........kafelnikov, krajicek, novak, rafter, korda, grosjean, courier, pioline, srichaphan, clement, schalken, todd martin, federer, wayne ferreira and nalbandian........none of them got any significant talent?
and enough blowing off hot piss about hewitt and his draw, the guy is even lucky to be seeded so highly.

Wulfram
06-17-2004, 03:22 PM
Henman's draws haven't been particularly fortunate at Wimbly.

Notable matches in Henman's Wimbledon career.

95: l Sampras 2nd
96: defeated Kafelnikov 1st, l Martin QF
97: d Krajicek 4th (!), l to Stich QF
98: d Rafter 4th (!), Korda QF, l to Sampras QF
99: d Grosjean 3rd, Courier 4th, Pioline QF, L to Sampras
00: l to Phillipoussis 4th
01: d Schalken 3rd, Martin 4th, Federer (was expected to be Sampras) QF, l to Ivanisevic
02: l to Hewitt SF
03: d Nalbandian 4th, l to Grosjean QF.

Only 02 is notably lacking in quality, and he's hardly alone in that that year.

He has also always been in the toughest semi-final.

Though he was really lucky at the French this year, no one can deny.

edit: I'm too slow.

WyveN
06-17-2004, 03:23 PM
WyveN, about an easy draw at the French, what's so easy about being scheduled to face a former French Open finalist and a former French Open winner before you even get to the quater finals? No he didn't end up facing Costa but for Mailsse to beat him it shows what kind of form Malisse was in.

you can put any spin on it you want but you know it was a easy draw. We all know Verkerk will never get anywhere near a grand slam final again and Malisse plays well around once in 6 months.

WyveN
06-17-2004, 03:25 PM
Plus Henman was extremely unlucky at Wimbledon a few times, most memorably when a rain break saved Goran in 2001.

Corey Feldman
06-17-2004, 03:26 PM
Henman's draws haven't been particularly fortunate at Wimbly.

Notable matches in Henman's Wimbledon career.

95: l Sampras 2nd
96: defeated Kafelnikov 1st, l Martin QF
97: d Krajicek 4th (!), l to Stich QF
98: d Rafter 4th (!), Korda QF, l to Sampras QF
99: d Grosjean 3rd, Courier 4th, Pioline QF, L to Sampras
00: l to Phillipoussis 4th
01: d Schalken 3rd, Martin 4th, Federer (was expected to be Sampras) QF, l to Ivanisevic
02: l to Hewitt SF
03: d Nalbandian 4th, l to Grosjean QF.

Only 02 is notably lacking in quality, and he's hardly alone in that that year.

He has also always been in the toughest semi-final.

Though he was really lucky at the French this year, no one can deny.
posted that at the same time i posted mine!

Corey Feldman
06-17-2004, 03:27 PM
Plus Henman was extremely unlucky at Wimbledon a few times, most memorably when a rain break saved Goran in 2001.

yeh altho, the rain saved henman in the same way that year when he was being humped by todd martin in r4...

Space Cowgirl
06-17-2004, 03:30 PM
97 [8] SCHUETTLER, Rainer GER
98 SODERLING, Robin SWE

99 (W) RUSEDSKI, Greg GBR
100 (Q) QUALIFIER

eek!! for greg hope he can get past these players!!



It's gonna be tough for Rainer can break his 2004 R1 Grand Slam hoodoo :mad: I'm feeling negative already :sad:

Corey Feldman
06-17-2004, 03:31 PM
There would have been from me, that's for sure. It's about time Roger and David weren't in the same quarter of the draw at a Grand Slam! Having Henman the other side is nice too. At least Roddick can only play one of them at most, they're not in his quarter.


hey Jo-tips, dont ya think Federer's grand slam tennis has gone down the "bog's" this year so far ???

BOGomolov in r1 at the aussie open, and now BOGdanovich in r1 at wimbledon :lol: :lol: :lol:

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 03:42 PM
Henman's draws haven't been particularly fortunate at Wimbly.

Notable matches in Henman's Wimbledon career.

95: l Sampras 2nd
96: defeated Kafelnikov 1st, l Martin QF
97: d Krajicek 4th (!), l to Stich QF
98: d Rafter 4th (!), Korda QF, l to Sampras QF
99: d Grosjean 3rd, Courier 4th, Pioline QF, L to Sampras
00: l to Phillipoussis 4th
01: d Schalken 3rd, Martin 4th, Federer (was expected to be Sampras) QF, l to Ivanisevic
02: l to Hewitt SF
03: d Nalbandian 4th, l to Grosjean QF.
.
:wavey:
Okay~ I'll give Henman credit for his wins over Kafelnikov, Krajicek, Rafter, Federer & Nalbandian :worship: ! The other victories aren't as impressive because those players were either before or past their peak years when Tiger Tim claimed their scalps.
I still think Henman's Draw has been relatively easy for:96,99,02,03,04 :o

jtipson
06-17-2004, 03:46 PM
hey Jo-tips, dont ya think Federer's grand slam tennis has gone down the "bog's" this year so far ???

BOGomolov in r1 at the aussie open, and now BOGdanovich in r1 at wimbledon :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yup. Quite happy if it goes the way it did in the AO too :)

I had to think twice which Alex it was when I read the draw. Then I remembered that Bogomolov had lost in the quallies, so it had to be our Alex instead. Any chance of an upset, do you think Mike?

Corey Feldman
06-17-2004, 03:53 PM
Yup. Quite happy if it goes the way it did in the AO too :)

I had to think twice which Alex it was when I read the draw. Then I remembered that Bogomolov had lost in the quallies, so it had to be our Alex instead. Any chance of an upset, do you think Mike?

not a chance in hell jo ;) off course 1 of my faves Escude :) was given a good match by bogdanovic at wimbledon a few year ago, but even a half injured nicolas managed a win. alex will have a few nice points here and there im sure, but fedex will ease this one like 6/2 6/3 6/1 or something, i cant wait to see him walk out to centre court 1/2pm monday!

YoursTruly
06-17-2004, 03:53 PM
I just saw the draw and I have to say that Roger has it easy for the opening rounds, although he'll be facing a qualifier in the second round (from a q vs.q first rounder), it doesn't mean that it's that easy! Qualifiers could be dangerous! We'll just have to wait and see who the qualifiers will be :eek:
As for Tim, he should do well, but I've noticed that for him, he just can't get a break or luck like some other players. Pete's gone right? And Andre isn't playing? Okay but there's Roger now. lol. Key people are never withdrawing for Tim's sake at Wimbledon! HAHA.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 04:02 PM
* Henman's best chance to win Wimbledon was 01 in SF vs Ivanisavic~~ Goran was way out of shape & lacking match toughness, then Tiger Tim should have taken advantage(@@).
# This year represents Henman's 2nd best chance & possibly last genuine opportunity; he should be able to cruise until QF~ where everyone would expect him to beat Nalbandian. Then it's just a matter of him beating Roddick in the SF, & considering their H2H & it being Tim's backyard he should have a fair chance.

Definitely Tim can reach the Final of Wimbledon this year~~ but can anyone stop Federer taking back-to-back crowns???

chris whiteside
06-17-2004, 04:32 PM
* Henman's best chance to win Wimbledon was 01 in SF vs Ivanisavic~~ Goran was way out of shape & lacking match toughness, then Tiger Tim should have taken advantage(@@).
# This year represents Henman's 2nd best chance & possibly last genuine opportunity; he should be able to cruise until QF~ where everyone would expect him to beat Nalbandian. Then it's just a matter of him beating Roddick in the SF, & considering their H2H & it being Tim's backyard he should have a fair chance.

Definitely Tim can reach the Final of Wimbledon this year~~ but can anyone stop Federer taking back-to-back crowns???


People keep mentioning when Henman lost to Ivanisivec in the rain interrupted semi. What about a certain Aussie one Pat Rafter who was waiting in the final and had thrashed Henman at the AO earlier in the year?

Ivanisivec had no form at all in 2001 so don't expect Henman to reach the quarters. A big fall is coming when he meets Phillippoussis in Round 4.

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 04:35 PM
A big fall is coming when he meets Phillippoussis in Round 4.

Considering he hasn't won a tournament match since January, I don't see how flip will make it that far. I REALLY hope I"m wrong... but it just seems like the reality.

chris whiteside
06-17-2004, 04:35 PM
[QUOTE=Trolls Need Love Too]Unseasonal rain and bad organisation, but the winner of that was deserved.


Rather a dodgy semi final win over Nalbandian in the semi thanks to A N Other in the crowd?

Wulfram
06-17-2004, 04:36 PM
:wavey:
Okay~ I'll give Henman credit for his wins over Kafelnikov, Krajicek, Rafter, Federer & Nalbandian :worship: ! The other victories aren't as impressive because those players were either before or past their peak years when Tiger Tim claimed their scalps.
I still think Henman's Draw has been relatively easy for:96,99,02,03,04 :o

:wavey:

96 he got Kafelnikov in the first round. That's not an easy draw.

99 Courier had won multiple slams, and so must count as a difficult even though past his best. Pioline reached the RG semis the year before and the US Open that year, as well as winning Nottingham on grass just before Wimbledon, so I don't think he can be described as being much off his best. So that wasn't an easy draw.

02 I've agreed, though really only Malisse had a much worse one out of the semi-finalists

03 he had last years finalist in the 4th round, and then Grosjean who had reached the Queen's final that year beating Hewitt and Henman himself on the way. So not easy.

Actually, I don't think this years is spectacularly good for him either. The first 3 rounds are nice and the 1st excellent, but Phillipoussis is potentially about the worst possible 4th round match. Flip's not in form, but he wasn't last year either. After that, he's got Nalbandian who is a former Wimbledon finalist and has beaten him 4 times out of 5.

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 04:39 PM
[QUOTE=Trolls Need Love Too]Unseasonal rain and bad organisation, but the winner of that was deserved.


Rather a dodgy semi final win over Nalbandian in the semi thanks to A N Other in the crowd?

Well, most average people could see there was some controversy in the match, I don't so much have a problem with the winner, as the organisation of the tournament which left it self open to something like this happening.

Henman does not have a very difficult draw, it is interesting that how some fans of every player, try to talk up the draw as it if it was the most difficult for their particular player, when this is not always the case.

i love paradorn
06-17-2004, 04:45 PM
I get real pissed off when people start saying draws are rigged. There's no such thing and you have no proof. The only reason you're saying it is because of player favoritism.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 04:51 PM
Well, most average people could see there was some controversy in the match, I don't so much have a problem with the winner, as the organisation of the tournament which left it self open to something like this happening.

Henman does not have a very difficult draw, it is interesting that how some fans of every player, try to talk up the draw as it if it was the most difficult for their particular player, when this is not always the case.
:wavey:
Fair enough Marc-Rosset-is-Tall mate :cool: .BUT tell me would you like to face Safin or Moya in Rd4?? How about Federer for a QF opponent? :angel:
* No matter how you look at it Hewitt has an extremely difficult fortnight ahead of him; unless something crazy happens like Federer losing to a qualifier or Safin beating Moya in 5-sets only to retire against Lleyton due to blister hand relapse :sad:

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 04:55 PM
I get real pissed off when people start saying draws are rigged. There's no such thing and you have no proof. The only reason you're saying it is because of player favoritism.
:wavey:
Do you believe everything the authorities tell you 'i-love-paradorn' mate :confused: :rolleyes: ! Remember what President Bush was telling us about 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq~~ did you believe that??

Sometimes it's better to be a little cynical; if we go around naively believing what the authorities tell us then the shoe will be on the other foot & egg on one's face :p !

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 04:55 PM
:wavey:
Fair enough Marc-Rosset-is-Tall mate :cool: .BUT tell me would you like to face Safin or Moya in Rd4?? How about Federer for a QF opponent? :angel:
* No matter how you look at it Hewitt has an extremely difficult fortnight ahead of him; unless something crazy happens like Federer losing to a qualifier or Safin beating Moya in 5-sets only to retire against Lleyton due to blister hand relapse :sad:

I see it all the time, at tournaments and now here. Hewitt did not have a hard draw at the French Open and took advantage, just like Henman did as well, if someone disagrees with that, then they are not being truly objective.

Who says Safin or Moya are going to make the 4th round? Is that set in stone?

tangerine_dream
06-17-2004, 05:05 PM
Considering he hasn't won a tournament match since January, I don't see how flip will make it that far. I REALLY hope I"m wrong... but it just seems like the reality.

OMG, you weren't kidding :eek:

Grass novice downs Scud

MARK Philippoussis's increasingly desperate search for form fell to new depths yesterday when he succumbed to an opponent who has contested just three matches on grass in his career.

Philippoussis, winless in rankings points tournaments since January 24, fell 4-6 7-5 7-6 (7-1) to claycourt specialist Fernando Gonzalez at the Boodle & Dunthorne champions' challenge at Stoke Park, west of London.

A week after losing to 866th-ranked Welshman Ian Flanagan, Philippoussis was not only hoping to defend the exhibition title he pocketed on his way to an appearance in last year's Wimbledon final, but he was also intent on building confidence with much-needed victory.

But he was thwarted by Gonzalez, whose world ranking of 26 has been built primarily on European and South American clay.

Armed with the most powerful forehand in the game, Gonzalez has -- by choice -- rarely been a contender on the grass where Philippoussis once excelled.

The Chilean has contested just two grasscourt events in his career, both at the home of the sport.

He won a round at Wimbledon two years ago, downing fellow baseliner Juan Ignacio Chela before perishing in the first round last year against modest opposition.

Despite his lack of experience on the slick Buckinghamshire grass, Gonzalez packed too many guns for Philippoussis, who was overnight due to face former world No. 1 Carlos Moya, his Davis Cup final nemesis.

"It's disappointing not to win, but I felt good," Philippoussis said before heading back to his Wimbledon lodgings for more practice with his father Nick, trainer Brett Stephens and Davis Cup captain John Fitzgerald.

Philippoussis has not won a match for rankings points since trumping Croat Mario Ancic at the Australian Open almost five months ago.

His only successes since came at the World Team Cup last month in Dusseldorf, a round-robin prelude to the French Open.

Now ranked 17th in the world, Philippoussis faces a huge rankings drop if he is unable to repeat his 2003 Wimbledon heroics when he surged to the final only to be denied by a rampant Roger Federer.

While he is still cautiously regarded as a Wimbledon title contender, serious doubts hang over his commitment to training.

The hero of Australia's Davis Cup triumph seven months ago, Philippoussis is known to be deeply affected by some of the personal criticism that followed his fourth-round exit from the Australian Open in January.

He had hoped to rebound on the English grasscourts he cherishes, but he continues to struggle.

A loss to Moya, who is battling a shoulder injury and was beaten by Croat Ivan Ljubicic yesterday, would almost certainly signal Philippoussis has virtually no hope at the All England Club from Monday.

Wimbledon second seed Andy Roddick, by contrast, maintained his momentum by effortlessly handling Radek Stepanek, while 2001 champion Goran Ivanisevic limbered up with a straight-sets win over Gonzalez's compatriot Nicolas Massu.

The veteran left-hander will retire immediately after Wimbledon.

i love paradorn
06-17-2004, 05:08 PM
CmonAussie, you're just one of those people who politicizing everything. Can you think of anything better to do. honestly? It's a draw. A draw means it's random. There are so many television stations and radios live at the draw. They would know if it was rigged. By the way, do you mind telling me how exactly do you rig a draw?

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 05:08 PM
OMG, you weren't kidding :eek:


Sadly, no I was not. except for Dusseldorf he hasn't won a real tournament match worth rankings points. To say he'll suddenly win 4 in a row, even on grass, seems like a stretch. Anything is possible of course, and Flip is one of my top faves so I really hope I'm wrong, but realistically speaking I can't see him winning 4 matches!

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 05:14 PM
I see it all the time, at tournaments and now here. Hewitt did not have a hard draw at the French Open and took advantage, just like Henman did as well, if someone disagrees with that, then they are not being truly objective.

Who says Safin or Moya are going to make the 4th round? Is that set in stone?
:cool:
Yeah Hewitt's Draw at FO was pretty good & his wins over Melzer, Verkerk, Malisse before losing to eventual winner Gaudio wasn't bad either ;) .

BTW last 3-Slams: USO QF.^Hewitt lost to Ferrero{eventual Finalist}; Aussie Open Rd4.^Hewitt lost to Federer{eventual Winner}; French Open QF.^Hewitt lost to Gaudio{eventual Winner}...
Also the most recent 3-tournaments he's played(Hamburg, French Open, Queens) Lleyton lost to the guy who won the tournament.

Anyway: Moya is a good chance to make Rd4 considering he's won 40matches in 04, including 5-finals. Also last time he played on Grass at DC Final he beat Philippoussis in 4-sets.
Safin is likely to make Rd4 considering his form in 04 has been good & he's climbing up the rankings~ probably re-enter Top10 very soon.

Ask yourself of all the potential QF opponents who would you least want to face at Wimbledon :confused: ; of course nobody wants to see Federer facing them & with his Rd1->Rd4 Draw it's fairly certain Roger will make atleast QF.
Someone seeded 7th wouldn't normally expect to have to beat Safin/Moya & then Federer just up to QF stage! :sad:

Anyway I realise everyone gets their tough Draws, however I'm just very suspicious of the Wimbledon Committee this year-->> what's to stop them rigging it in Henman's favour? :eek:

Marc Rosset is Tall
06-17-2004, 05:23 PM
:cool:
Yeah Hewitt's Draw at FO was pretty good & his wins over Melzer, Verkerk, Malisse before losing to eventual winner Gaudio wasn't bad either ;) .

BTW last 3-Slams: USO QF.^Hewitt lost to Ferrero{eventual Finalist}; Aussie Open Rd4.^Hewitt lost to Federer{eventual Winner}; French Open QF.^Hewitt lost to Gaudio{eventual Winner}...
Also the most recent 3-tournaments he's played(Hamburg, French Open, Queens) Lleyton lost to the guy who won the tournament.

Anyway: Moya is a good chance to make Rd4 considering he's won 40matches in 04, including 5-finals. Also last time he played on Grass at DC Final he beat Philippoussis in 4-sets.
Safin is likely to make Rd4 considering his form in 04 has been good & he's climbing up the rankings~ probably re-enter Top10 very soon.

Ask yourself of all the potential QF opponents who would you least want to face at Wimbledon :confused: ; of course nobody wants to see Federer facing them & with his Rd1->Rd4 Draw it's fairly certain Roger will make atleast QF.
Someone seeded 7th wouldn't normally expect to have to beat Safin/Moya & then Federer just up to QF stage! :sad:

Anyway I realise everyone gets their tough Draws, however I'm just very suspicious of the Wimbledon Committee this year-->> what's to stop them rigging it in Henman's favour? :eek:


Safin hates grass and Moya is having some injury problems. It seems like that you are looking already for an excuse to justify if Hewitt gets beaten. It's not the easiest draw for Hewitt, but I am not sure how easy the draw is it won't help Henman win Wimbledon.

The way you make it sound they might as well play the quarters and the other players can go onto the next venue.

CmonAussie
06-17-2004, 05:29 PM
CmonAussie, you're just one of those people who politicizing everything. Can you think of anything better to do. honestly? It's a draw. A draw means it's random. There are so many television stations and radios live at the draw. They would know if it was rigged. By the way, do you mind telling me how exactly do you rig a draw?
:wavey:
For a start the Wimbledon Committee already pseudo rigged the Draw by making their Seeds out of line with Rankings(only tournament where it happens :o ). Safin is ranked 15th in Entry System & with Agassi's withdrawal then Marat should be 14th seed; but Wimbledon committee placed him 19th~ makes him a much more dangerous Rd3 opponent possibility by missing out on a Top16 seeding. Also Moya ranked 7th in Entry System deserves to be seeded above Shuettler; consider Moya has made 5-finals in 04, won over 40matches & last time he played a Grass court match he beat Philippoussis in DC Final. So then Moya should be atleast No.8 seed rather than 10th. Again this affects the stage of the tournament at which someone faces a top seed... :eek:

When the Draw is done & the names are placed in the basket; what's to stop the committee from deliberately placing some of the names near the top of the pile & others at the bottom>> that way it can appear like they are randomly picked but actually always a better chance of the names at the top of the pile being chosen 1st :p .

I believe most tournaments are clean from this rigging BUT Wimbledon change their selective seeding system every year & again this is the only tournament where it occurs-->> so it's open for corruption :devil: !

jtipson
06-17-2004, 05:38 PM
For a start the Wimbledon Committee already pseudo rigged the Draw by making their Seeds out of line with Rankings(only tournament where it happens :o ). Safin is ranked 15th in Entry System & with Agassi's withdrawal then Marat should be 14th seed; but Wimbledon committee placed him 19th~ makes him a much more dangerous Rd3 opponent possibility by missing out on a Top16 seeding. Also Moya ranked 7th in Entry System deserves to be seeded above Shuettler; consider Moya has made 5-finals in 04, won over 40matches & last time he played a Grass court match he beat Philippoussis in DC Final. So then Moya should be atleast No.8 seed rather than 10th. Again this affects the stage of the tournament at which someone faces a top seed... :eek:
...
I believe most tournaments are clean from this rigging BUT Wimbledon change their selective seeding system every year & again this is the only tournament where it occurs-->> so it's open for corruption :devil: !

You have to be kidding right? There is now a clear formula for calculating the seedings and they apply it to everyone who is going to be seeded.

The only criticism I would level against them is that they alter the formula slightly every year. However, this doesn't help your argument much, because it's actually assisted Lleyton - he was promoted from being a fourth round seed to the quarter-final bracket.

alfonsojose
06-17-2004, 06:28 PM
jtipson. I believe they didn't change the formula. Did they?

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 06:39 PM
good job, Nadal..... :rolleyes:
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Rafael Nadal and Nicolas Escude have joined the list of big names to withdraw from Wimbledon.
Spanish 18-year-old Nadal, who has been recovering from a broken foot-bone, has been advised by his doctor not to play.

He had been pitted against American Jeff Salzenstein in Thursday's draw for the first round and could have faced second seed Andy Roddick in round two.

Frenchman Escude, who reached the quarter-finals at Wimbledon in 2001, has a shoulder problem.

Andre Agassi, the 1992 champion in SW19, current French Open champion Gaston Gaudio and Brazilian Gustavo Kuerten are among the names to have already pulled out of the tournament.

Nadal's place will go to a lucky loser from qualifying.

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 06:40 PM
Just like everyone already said that Nadal was not playing, and this is no surprise.

Gonzalo81
06-17-2004, 06:51 PM
No, its not

Deboogle!.
06-17-2004, 06:55 PM
Not a surprise but he could've done it yesterday :) My guess is Blake will be the same way. They're not seeded so it's not a big deal but as has been brought up many times on this board, it still took away from someone getting direct entry.

rue
06-17-2004, 07:01 PM
If you look at the draw, no one really has it going easy for them. For Federer he will most probably cruise in the first four rounds and may perhaps meet Hewitt in the quarter finals but he has beaten Hewitt the last two times they have played. Hewitt is a past champion, but does not possess as many weapons to outplay Federer I think.

Safin has got problems with his blisters and who knows if they will heal in time for him to play 100%. Ferrero has been having problems with his health this year and I don't really think that he will get too far.

Someone like Henman does has it pretty easy, but he could meet Roddick in the semis and that will not be easy for either one of them. Roddick has got to beat some good players too to get to the semis.

So it is not easy for anyone to get to the finals but I think the semi final match ups will be:

Federer vs. A surprise
Henman vs Roddick

Final: Federer vs Henman

Chloe le Bopper
06-17-2004, 07:06 PM
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd1 = Melzer(on form in 04); Rd2 = Labadze (on form in 04);
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion); Rd4 = Safin (uber talent) or Moya (Carlos has leading H2H with Lleyton); QF = Federer (perhaps the most dominant champion since Sampras); SF = Grosjean/Ferrero/Coria??; Final = Roddick/Nalbandian/Henman/...

Maybe the Wimbledon committee perceive this as some kind of revenge for Hewitt winning in 02 BUT looks like another kick-in-the teeth for Rocky Llegs after they offered him 200cm giant Karlovic in Rd1 last year :sad: .

Wimbledon snobs can shove it up their arse; Imperialistic arrogant morons!
Man, get a grip!

Chloe le Bopper
06-17-2004, 07:12 PM
good job, Nadal..... :rolleyes:
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Rafael Nadal and Nicolas Escude have joined the list of big names to withdraw from Wimbledon.
Spanish 18-year-old Nadal, who has been recovering from a broken foot-bone, has been advised by his doctor not to play.

He had been pitted against American Jeff Salzenstein in Thursday's draw for the first round and could have faced second seed Andy Roddick in round two.

Frenchman Escude, who reached the quarter-finals at Wimbledon in 2001, has a shoulder problem.

Andre Agassi, the 1992 champion in SW19, current French Open champion Gaston Gaudio and Brazilian Gustavo Kuerten are among the names to have already pulled out of the tournament.

Nadal's place will go to a lucky loser from qualifying.
Oh, yes, boo Nadal for likely letting Starace or Benneteau into the draw! That bitch!

Seriously, I don't think you should blame a 17 year old for his management's blunder. I really doubt somehow that he's calling his own shots at this point.

Chloe le Bopper
06-17-2004, 07:13 PM
It's also worth pointing out that Nadal pulling out makes absolutely ZERO impact on the draw. Zip. Nada. Nil. Somebody else is going to lose in round two, is all. Big deal.

Trolls Need Love Too
06-17-2004, 07:15 PM
It's also worth pointing out that Nadal pulling out makes absolutely ZERO impact on the draw. Zip. Nada. Nil. Somebody else is going to lose in round two, is all. Big deal.

It was so well-known that Nadal was playing in Bastad as his tournament back and there was never going to be Nadal at Wimbledon, as was said before the management were on manana time and forgot the deadline had passed.

naiwen
06-17-2004, 10:42 PM
There are 8 slam titles in the first quarter.

AU Open champions: Thomas, Roger
French Open champion: Moya
Wimbledon champions: Goran, Hewitt, Roger
US Open champions: Safin, Hewitt

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:32 PM
:wavey:
Oh Yeah but atleast the Yankees can blame New York's unseasonal rain :sad: ; in any case Roddick deserved to win USO because of his 'hot spell' last summer :worship: !

You don't deserve a particular title for past triumphs. I just wanted to let you know that.

My boy Hewitt has probably got the toughest Draw of anyone :sad: :
Rd3 = Ivanisavic (4-time finalist & 01 champion);

No, Youzhny. ;)

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:40 PM
I agree that Henman has a piss easy draw. I knew he would, just like every year at Wimbledon. Its starting to look rather suspicious. I cant remember the last time Henman got a tough draw at Wimby.

Agreed.

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:42 PM
why are the all the russians on the same draw? oh well tough luck

I also found it funny that three Frenchman were in the same group of four players (Grosjean, Ascione, Carraz).

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:44 PM
Semis I think: Grosjean/Federer - Roddick/Henman

Damn, I was going to post the same thing. To be different, I will pick Nalbandian to get through over Henman, although I doubt that will happen b/c Fatty's health and fitness are quesitonable right now.

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:51 PM
Plus Henman was extremely unlucky at Wimbledon a few times, most memorably when a rain break saved Goran in 2001.

He's also gotten lucky on a few occassions. For instance, the "home-cooking" incident two years ago when the biased chair umpire ruled one extremely close call on the far side of the court in favor of Their Timmy when he was down by a large margin in the crucial third set tiebreak at one set all with Ferreira in the 3rd round. "Escude" also mentioned how rain bailed Henmman out when he was down two sets to one against Todd Martin in 2001.

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:52 PM
It's gonna be tough for Rainer can break his 2004 R1 Grand Slam hoodoo :mad: I'm feeling negative already :sad:

I noticed that. If Schuettler thinks Soderling was hard on the Rebound Ace Down Under, wait till he plays him on grass. :eek:

Havok
06-17-2004, 11:54 PM
:scared: sorry I had to break up Leo's consecutive posts:p

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:56 PM
And the award for the most consecutive posts goes to...





moi! :bounce:

I rock, I know.

Leo
06-17-2004, 11:57 PM
:scared: sorry I had to break up Leo's consecutive posts:p

I damn you to hell! :fiery: :devil:

Okay, I'll stop now. No more posting on this thread for 24 hours.

Havok
06-18-2004, 12:00 AM
I was kidding:p

I know you probably were too, but just to be on the safe side :scared:

Experimentee
06-18-2004, 05:30 PM
Oh, yes, boo Nadal for likely letting Starace or Benneteau into the draw! That bitch!

Seriously, I don't think you should blame a 17 year old for his management's blunder. I really doubt somehow that he's calling his own shots at this point.

I think a LL deserves to enter the main draw more than someone who is simply the highest ranked, at least they will have won 2 rounds of qualifying which is tough to do! If the highest ranked player deserves it, they will have won two rounds and be in anyway, no matter when Nadal pulls out.
So good on Nadal for leaving the spot to a LL :yeah:

Deboogle!.
06-18-2004, 05:54 PM
Not a surprise but..... :(
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Blake withdraws from Wimbledon

Friday, June 18, 2004


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(06-18) 09:45 PDT WIMBLEDON, England (AP) --

James Blake pulled out of Wimbledon on Friday, joining a growing list of withdrawals from the year's third Grand Slam tournament.

Blake, who hurt his neck and spine last month, was replaced in the draw by 132nd-ranked Potito Starace of Italy, a loser in qualifying. The 40th-ranked Blake was injured when he fell and slammed into a net post while chasing a drop shot during a practice session in Rome after losing at the Italian Open.

Starace upset 10th-seeded Sebastien Grosjean at the French Open, then held match points against 2000 U.S. Open champion Marat Safin in the third round before losing in five sets. Starace, whose performance in Paris lifted him 70 spots in the ATP Tour entry rankings, will face No. 20 Tommy Robredo in the first round at the All England Club, where play starts Monday.

BaselineSmash
06-18-2004, 05:59 PM
The good side as I see it is that I'll get to see Starace. :D I was not happy when deceitful Eurosport scheduling denied me the pleasure during RG. :mad: