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Doubles Tennis Tipping

Drikke
02-11-2008, 04:51 PM
Hello :wavey:

I don't know there are much people interested in this, but I'd like to start a new game : Doubles Tennis Tipping.

It will works the same like Tennis Tipping, but instead off predicting on singles matches, you'll have to predict the winner of doubles matches.

You'll be able to play as well singles as doubles (same like TT) . All the other rules of Doubles TT will be the same, also the teabreak system.

I'd like to know that there are people interested in this game. When you're interested just post a little message here.

:wavey:

Zirconek
02-11-2008, 05:21 PM
It looks interesting, I'd like to play :)

but remeber the doubles draw is smaller and there are a lot of WO and retirements... and the schedule is always subject to change. maybe it would work better with another game, like PAW, PYW, etc.

JM-Del-Potro
02-11-2008, 05:22 PM
Sure,I like doubles :p

Drikke
02-11-2008, 05:32 PM
It looks interesting, I'd like to play :)

but remeber the doubles draw is smaller and there are a lot of WO and retirements... and the schedule is always subject to change. maybe it would work better with another game, like PAW, PYW, etc.

Indeed , but I'd like to pick matches for over more tournaments. Like this week we could tip on matches from 3 tournaments. Most off the time there are 2 or 3 tournaments a week or there is a big tournament like a GS or a MS and then the draws are bigger. We've tried CAD ( Choose a double ) last year but it hasn't worked so good, nw I'd like to try it with TT .

JeffCandoi
02-11-2008, 07:05 PM
good .. i'd like too

Björki
02-11-2008, 07:28 PM
I'd like it :)

FilipeMB
02-11-2008, 07:42 PM
Indeed , but I'd like to pick matches for over more tournaments. Like this week we could tip on matches from 3 tournaments. Most off the time there are 2 or 3 tournaments a week or there is a big tournament like a GS or a MS and then the draws are bigger. We've tried CAD ( Choose a double ) last year but it hasn't worked so good, nw I'd like to try it with TT .

yes, it didn't work out because not so many people were interesed on this. Not more than 15 players have made picks through all the tournament (if I am not mistaken, it was Madrid MS). I would play it very surely. Good luck Drikke!

Drikke
02-11-2008, 07:44 PM
yes, it didn't work out because not so many people were interesed on this. Not more than 15 players have made picks through all the tournament (if I am not mistaken, it was Madrid MS). I would play it very surely. Good luck Drikke!

Thanks:worship:

trucul
02-11-2008, 08:15 PM
I am interested in tipping doubles but if this is yet another game not related from current (singles) Tennis Tipping, I don't know if it will be of interest for a lot of people. My suggestion would be that in the current Tennis Tipping, some additional doubles matches be added in the daily tipping. These doubles matches would count only for the TT Doubles Draw.

Example with tomorrow Marseille OOP:

Instead of having:

Tuesday OOP for singles R2 and doubles R1
Julien Benneteau FRA vs. Andrei Pavel ROM - SR1 PTS
Marcos Baghdatis CYP vs. Arnaud Clement FRA - SR2 (SR2 PTS for doubles)
Michael Berrer GER vs. Teimuraz Gabashvili RUS - SR3 (SR3 PTS for doubles)
Stanislas Wawrinka SUI vs. Sebastien Grosjean FRA - SR4 (SR4 PTS for doubles)
Hyung-Taik Lee KOR vs. Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP - SR5 (SR5 PTS for doubles)
Nicolas Mahut FRA vs. Michail Elgin RUS - SR6 (SR6 PTS for doubles)
Andy Murray GBR vs. Jesse Huta Galung NED - SR7 (SR7 PTS for doubles)

we would have:
Tuesday OOP for singles R2 and doubles R1
Fyrstenberg/Matkowski vs. Karlovic/Zovko (doubles only: SR1 PTS)
Haggard/Mahut vs. Bolelli/Seppi (doubles only: SR2 PTS)
Julien Benneteau FRA vs. Andrei Pavel ROM - SR1 PTS (SR3 PTS for doubles)
Marcos Baghdatis CYP vs. Arnaud Clement FRA - SR2 (SR4 PTS for doubles)
Michael Berrer GER vs. Teimuraz Gabashvili RUS - SR3 (SR5 PTS for doubles)
Stanislas Wawrinka SUI vs. Sebastien Grosjean FRA - SR4 (SR6 PTS for doubles)
Hyung-Taik Lee KOR vs. Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP - SR5 (SR7 PTS for doubles)
Nicolas Mahut FRA vs. Michail Elgin RUS - SR6 (SR8 PTS for doubles)
Andy Murray GBR vs. Jesse Huta Galung NED - SR7 (SR9 PTS for doubles)


Feedbacks are welcome :p

Drikke
02-11-2008, 08:21 PM
I don't think this will be accepted by many people. There are much TT players who doesn't want to pick doubles and I als don't think the Board will change their rules. TT is abot tipping on singles matches.

trucul
02-11-2008, 08:46 PM
I don't think this will be accepted by many people. There are much TT players who doesn't want to pick doubles and I als don't think the Board will change their rules. TT is abot tipping on singles matches.

You are surely right but when I discovered TT last December, I was surprised that TT Doubles were only for tipping Singles. Much TT Players do not want to pick doubles simply because they are less familiar with Doubles Team than with Singles Team. But, I have seen that there are more and more Doubles matches which can be viewed on the Web (with live streaming such as bwin) and this game is really spectacular, especially with the new rules (no-Ad, super Tie-Break).

Having a separate league with Doubles would be difficult. If you have, like this week, 3 tournaments around the globe, it would be difficult to know at what time you have to send picks ...

Finally, it could be up to the TT manager of a tournament to indicate if he wants to include Doubles matches for the daily pick or not (mostly restricted to Doubles team). This could bring more fun and make some hype for the tournament he is managing (could be a poll also 1 week before beginning of the tournament to get the opinion of the participants). Furthermore, if what has to be picked for TT Doubles is slightly different as for TT Singles would lead less to situation where a winner of a tournament wins both Singles and Doubles.

HenryMag
02-11-2008, 11:54 PM
I would play it...But I think it should be an independent game from the Tennis Tipping...

About the few matches problem, well I think the idea of playing 3 tourneys in the same time it's not bad, but why not just play Doubles TT in MS and GS and in the weeks when all tourneys are in the same timnezone?? Just an idea.

HenryMag
02-11-2008, 11:55 PM
yes, it didn't work out because not so many people were interesed on this. Not more than 15 players have made picks through all the tournament (if I am not mistaken, it was Madrid MS). I would play it very surely. Good luck Drikke!

I like it a lot...Shame we didn't have more tourneys.

And yes, it was in Madrid.

Alonsofz
02-12-2008, 12:06 AM
Great idea! I support it :yeah:

Snowwy
02-12-2008, 02:38 AM
Great idea if this is a new game. :)

Nadie
02-15-2008, 08:36 AM
I would like to play it :cool: but I agree this should be another game ;)

Snowwy
02-15-2008, 04:44 PM
You should debut this game at Miami as long :)

GlennMirnyi
02-15-2008, 04:47 PM
Good idea, but absurdly unpredictable.

FilipeMB
02-15-2008, 06:21 PM
Good idea, but absurdly unpredictable.

not. It depends on your knowldgment on doubles matches. Exactly like TT. Surprises happens more often than in Singles but it also happens in single.
:wavey:

Drikke
02-18-2008, 04:19 PM
I've based me on the TT Rules and added some changes to it.

DTT Rules


1. Wild Cards (WC)

- They won't be brought to the game. We can possibly raise the issue again next year.

2. Tiebreak System (TB)

- Take a look at the TT Tiebreak System if you want to know how it works.

3. Protected Ranking (PR)

We won’t use Protected Ranking in this game.

4. Special Exempts (SE)

We won’t use Special Exemps in this game.

5. No-ranked players (NR's) before late entries (LE's) in the entry list

- Yes, NR's will become before LE's.

Entry System

The entry system went through a major overhaul for the start of 2007 season, here's how it works:

Singles

32 player draw -> 28 direct entries, 4 qualy spots (max. 16 player qualy draw, 32 only in special occasions)
64 player draw -> 56 direct entries, 8 qualy spots (max. 32 player qualy draw)
128 player draw -> 112 direct entries, 16 qualy spots (64 player qualy draw, 128 in Grand Slams)

- Entries will be based on ranking (rankings from two weeks before the start of the tournament)
- Tournament thread posted on Friday (back-up day Saturday, then Sunday) two weeks before the start of the tourney (for example, the Doha tournament on week 1 would have it's thread posted on December 14th)
- Players have 10 days (from Friday till Sunday) to commit to the tournament for singles and this will be done by ranking (doubles commitments don't start yet). The first entry deadline is always Sunday 6 pm CET
- On Sunday evening after seeing the entry lists, players that aren't among the 28 direct entries, can move to another tournament which has free places or decide not to move and play the qualies there (only 1 change is allowed, still on ranking but late entries - LE's will go to the bottom of the entry list)
- Unranked players will be listed in the order of commitment
- Friday is the deadline (the exact time is up to the tournament manager) for changes and the draws are made after that for qualies and md

Doubles

16 team draw -> 14 direct entries, 2 qualy spots (max. 8 team qualy draw, 16 only in special occasions)
32 team draw -> 28 direct entries, 4 qualy spots (max. 16 team qualy draw)
64 team draw -> 56 direct entries, 8 qualy spots (max. 32 team qualy draw)

- Entries will be based on ranking (rankings from two weeks before the start of the tournament)
- Doubles commitments start on Sunday 6 pm CET (the week before the tournament), players that are in the singles entry lists (main & qualy & alt) can now pair up

Example for Doha 2007:

Friday Dec 14 ~ tournament thread is posted, the commitments by ranking will start (no changes allowed)
Sunday Dec 24 ~ the entry list for the tournament is posted (entry deadline Sunday 6 pm CET)
Sunday Dec 24 6 pm CET ~ players can move to another tournament (1 change is allowed)
Sunday Dec 24 6 pm CET ~ doubles commitments start, players from the entry list pair up
Friday Dec 29 ~ the entry lists are finalized, the draws are done
Sat-Sun Dec 30-31 ~ quallies
Mon Jan 1 ~ main draw play will start

Draw Sizes

DTT will follow the ATP here, with the exception of getting rid of the bye in all of the tournaments. This will mean that there will only be 3 kinds of singles draws next year (for 32, 64 and 128 players). Qualifying draws are normally for 16 players, but for the weeks like Sydney & Auckland (when there's no challengers) the quallies will be extended to 32 players.

Min. number of commitments for a tournament to be run

A DTT tournament must have atleast 16 players committed for it to be run. If this number isn't reached before 2nd the deadline, the players signed-up can move to the other tournaments held the same week without being marked as late entries. Doubles tournament needs to have atleast 8 teams committed to be run.

Counting the retired matches?

The match will be counted if one point is played. Retired matches won't count in the TB System.

Qualifying for the Tennis Masters Cup

Top 16 players in the doubles race rankings will qualify for the TMC. Top 8 players in the singles race rankings will qualify for the TMC. Ties will be broken by total points gathered in the Grand Slams that year.

Lucky Loser System

LL's just like in the ATP, except the order of lucky losers will be determined with the 'old' system (most correct picks, SR's, PTS...)

Late picks

They will be accepted, if they're not in a LL round. One late pick is enough for that player to be replaced with a LL. The pick is late if the match has started (one point is played). If there are no scores available and somebody sends late picks, the manager must estimate which matches have started and not count them. Use 90 minutes as the match-time for each match.

Ranking System

The ranking system will remain the same (4 "mandatory" Grand Slams + 14 best others), but 0's for missing a Slam (which the player could have played with his ranking) will be added just like in the ATP. TMC points will be counted as an extra 19th tournament.

Partner sending both players doubles tips

Will not be accepted anymore, the picks must come from two different players.

Saving the daily schedule

When running a tournament, the manager should keep the old schedule (OOP + TB's) visible and not just edit the post with the next one. This is recommended in case there's a mistake or if somebody would like check for example what the order of TB matches were.

Playing DTT with more than one account

In order to retain the integrity and the spirit of TT, this is not allowed. Players that appear to be suspicious of having accounts transmitting from the same IP, will have their IP’s checked by the supermods and could risk being suspended in TT. A 2-year ban is the standard lenght for the cheaters.

Standard schedules for tournaments

DTT Doubles Draw size 16

Monday ~ DTT Qualy
Tuesday ~ DTT R16
Wednesday & Thursday ~ DTT QF
Friday ~ DTT SF
Saturday & Sunday ~ DTT Final

TT Draw size 32

Monday ~ DTT Qualy
Tuesday ~DTT R32
Wednesday ~ DTT R16
Thursday ~ DTT QF
Friday ~ DTT SF
Saturday & Sunday ~ DTT Final

TT Doubles Draw size 32

Monday ~ DTT Qualy
Tuesday ~ DTT R32
Wednesday ~ DTT R16
Thursday ~ DTT QF
Friday ~ DTT SF
Saturday & Sunday ~ DTT Final

TT Draw size 64

Monday ~ DTT Qualy
Tuesday ~ DTT R64
Wednesday ~DTT R32
Thursday ~ DTT R16
Friday ~DTT QF
Saturday ~ DTT SF
Sunday ~ DTT Final


DTT Ranking Points Table


Tournament Financial Add’l Qualifying
Category Commitment W F SF QF R16 R32 R64 R128 points
Grand Slam 1000 700 450 250 150 75 35 5 15
Masters Series 500 350 225 125 75 35 5(20)(5)* 15
Other Weeks 250 175 110 60 25 5(15)(5)** 10



Tournaments

DTT Tournaments will be different from TT Tournament. We will only play 1 tournament each week but and you'll have to pick matches of different locations. The manager will decide which matches you've got to predict. These matches can be matches of all ATP and challenger events which are held that week. Managers will have to chose the matches so that everyone is able to make his predictions.

trucul
03-23-2008, 03:31 PM
As Davis Cup World Group Quarterfinals is coming soon, I was wondering if we could have DTT with Davis Cup (of course, only picking Doubles matches).

I would suggest the following format but any further suggestion is welcome:

- 8 country teams playing in World Group based on DTT ranking (Singles or Doubles ?) of their best 2 players (DTT Ranking after Miami is used)
- Each country is made of 2 players who will play together. If more than 2 players of the same country commit for the game, the best ranked players will be selected.

Current team which could be selected:

Brasil: MuriloBrasil/Robin Hood
Argentina: Enjoy Incubus/ExcaliburII
Portugal: meninosantos/HenryMag
Romania: Huff/Georg
Switzerland: Nando_L/maldini
Georgia: Gigi/?
Belgium: Drikke/?
Canada: Snowwy/?
France: trucul/?
Russia: Nadie/?
Germany: JMG/?
Israel: vamos israel/?

The game will be a DTT Doubles match based on picks from Davis Cup Doubles matches taking place on Saturday in World Group.

Winners will qualify for Semi Finals.

Criteria to select teams and who will play for which country can be discussed. Any feedback is welcome :wavey:

diego36arg
03-23-2008, 03:34 PM
Im Germany with JMG please.

trucul
03-23-2008, 04:19 PM
Im Germany with JMG please.

I was just asking for feedbacks what could be the rules and criteria. So, I understand you vote for the fact this is not important if an Argentinian player plays for another country such as
Germany.

Let us wait for feedbacks from others. Once rules and criteria are decided, a separate thread will be created and then you will be able to commit. ;)

Fired Up!
03-23-2008, 04:29 PM
I think everything is great. :) But of course, the countries can be mixed up a bit. :)

diego36arg
03-23-2008, 04:33 PM
Im Germany, look my flag. :haha::haha:

Tzar
03-23-2008, 05:12 PM
Trucul i'd like to be in a Team with my doubles partner :shrug: is that possible?

Venezuela: Lucho_Coria/Jeronimo since Argentina is taken?

Tzar
03-23-2008, 05:13 PM
And let them be selected by rankings :)

NoFroz
03-23-2008, 10:42 PM
I wanna play too, sadly im the only uruguayan here :sad:

trucul
03-24-2008, 11:48 AM
I am thinking about another format which could bring more participants. If we are only handling with 8 teams and the average number of DTT participants is between 16 and 32, I would suggest the following.

- 8 teams participating in World Group, each team representing one country. The choice of the team is free. If there are more than 8 teams, the choice of the 8 selected teams will be decided on the DTT Singles ranking of the 2 best players. The players being in remaining teams will then apply to participate to the other teams.
- each team is made of 2 to 4 players with 1 captain (by default, the highest ranked in Singles DTT by default)

- one DTT Davis Cup match will be 3 matches: 2 singles and 1 doubles. At least one member of each team needs to play one match.
- for a team with 2 players, players A and B play one Singles and 1 doubles.
- for a team with 3 players, player A plays 1 Singles and 1 doubles, player B plays 1 singles, player C plays 1 Doubles.
- for a team with 4 players, players A and B play 1 Singles, players C and D play 1 Doubles.


- all these 3 matches are based on picks from the 4 doubles of the Davis Cup QF World Group.

Winner is the one that wins 2 of these 3 matches and is qualified for DTT Davis Cup Semi-Final. Teams qualified for Semi-Finals will be unchanged.

I will wait for further feedbacks and if everything is OK, I can create the thread during this week. :wavey:

Tzar
03-24-2008, 07:41 PM
I like it :)

MuriloBrasil
03-24-2008, 09:41 PM
Fantastic Idea! Play Davis would be a great!