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Davydenko def Djokovic 4-6 3-6 6-4 ret, Russia wins 3-1

eck
02-10-2008, 11:55 AM
:tape:

scarecrows
02-10-2008, 11:56 AM
Djokovic was 2 breaka up in the 3d

probably that time he started having problems

Voo de Mar
02-10-2008, 11:57 AM
:sad:

Kolya
02-10-2008, 11:57 AM
What happened?

n.sad
02-10-2008, 11:58 AM
he had problems from the beginning, team serbia hoped he can finish in three sets. i don't know why nole played this match at all :(

TheBoiledEgg
02-10-2008, 11:58 AM
he was *3-0 up

just like as in Aus Open final....... if he was fit to start, then he's FIT
no point in whinging now.

complete Djoke :spit: :rolls:

Kolya would have whipped his ass in 4th and 5th

mickymouse
02-10-2008, 11:59 AM
He was 2 breaks up actually in the third set and 40-0 to go 5-3 up before being broken.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 11:59 AM
Djokovic was a break up in the 3d

probably that time he started having problems

He was two breaks up in 3rd, but he just get exausted and his footwork was terrible after that. I dont blame him, he tried but you cant fight illnes :)

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 11:59 AM
This is the most annoyingly heartbreaking loss I can remember for Novak. Mainly because he was up two breaks in that set and the two games where Davydenko broke back were so close that if he had just held.. *sigh* He was clearly struggling though. The illness just caught up to him.

Well at least now Viktor won't have the pressure of the tie resting on his shoulders.

Tobi
02-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Well didnt watch the match but Djokovic at this condition seemed on his way to win

Kolya :o :help:

Stats doesnt look good at all :help:

Kolya
02-10-2008, 12:01 PM
:lol:

Davydenko's first win over a top player... hahaha...

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 12:02 PM
After being two breaks up in the third, Nole just stopped - no movement, no serve, and he relies on those two heavily - so with the help of some really good returning Davydenko managed to win 6 of the 7 next games.

Oh well, no whining - but the impression remains that fit Nole would beat Davydenko without much problem, and I'm looking forward to these matches in the future :)

(As for the very sudden retirement: most probably he made a prior agreement with the coach either to try and win in straights or to retire.)

Renaud
02-10-2008, 12:03 PM
Russia :worship:

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 12:03 PM
pathetic match...

Kolya deserved bagel in third set, but Nole run out of fuel.

Nevermind, Nole will come back...

goldenlox
02-10-2008, 12:03 PM
Screech is a quitter. What a joke.
Russia plays Czech Reb next

Liesel
02-10-2008, 12:04 PM
What a bummer to lose this way. Altough I wanted Russia to win, Serbia didn't deserve this!!! Pitty, it was going to be a very exciting 5th match! :sad:

Labamba
02-10-2008, 12:04 PM
mega choke by Nole

He didn't have anything left in the end...

Jaap
02-10-2008, 12:04 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Jozie
02-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Drama .... :speakles:

foul_dwimmerlaik
02-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Great that Russia won. Kudos for kolya for hanging in there.

Nole, take care and come back.

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Well didnt watch the match but Djokovic at this condition seemed on his way to win

Kolya :o :help:

Stats doesnt look good at all :help:

I watched it - after playing Ok in the first 2 sets and being helped by Davydenko making loads of UEs, Djokovic just folded in the third set. He hardly moved and looked about to throw up.

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 12:06 PM
C'mon Russians, with all healty Serbian players you would be wiped out from a court!

Yappa
02-10-2008, 12:06 PM
he was *3-0 up

just like as in Aus Open final....... if he was fit to start, then he's FIT
no point in whinging now.

complete Djoke :spit: :rolls:

Kolya would have whipped his ass in 4th and 5th

I don't really get what you want to say. So you're saying that ppl are not allowed to mention that he was sick these last two days and obviously not healthy? :confused:

Yes, Davydenko would have won the next two sets quite easily, if it's true that Nole couldn't move properly anymore. Of course.

I am not exactly a big fan of Djokovic, but this kind of loss must be frustrating.

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 12:08 PM
No question in my mind that a fit Djokovic would wallop Davydenko.

TheBoiledEgg
02-10-2008, 12:08 PM
I don't really get what you want to say. So you're saying that ppl are not allowed to mention that he was sick these last two days and obviously not healthy? :confused:

Yes, Davydenko would have won the next two sets quite easily, if it's true that Nole couldn't move properly anymore. Of course.

I am not exactly a big fan of Djokovic, but this kind of loss must be frustrating.

Djoke fans cant have it both ways
they were saying Federer was fit

Corey Feldman
02-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssssssssss

ciprianned
02-10-2008, 12:11 PM
:(((((((((

Jozie
02-10-2008, 12:11 PM
No question in my mind that a fit Djokovic would wallop Davydenko.

To be a champion you need to be healthy. So who are the champs?

Lleyton_
02-10-2008, 12:11 PM
Sweet justice.

Yappa
02-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Djoke fans cant have it both ways
they were saying Federer was fit

Gotta love those fed/nole fan bases wars. I see that some other users are already in full gear. ;)

CooCooCachoo
02-10-2008, 12:13 PM
:sad: Nole

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 12:14 PM
Djoke fans cant have it both ways
they were saying Federer was fit

Djokovic has been sick all this week and had to w/d from the Friday singles. Today was his first match and he was clearly not well.

Am quite prepared to admit that Fed was not at his best in the AO, however he had over a week's gap between being ill and his first match, and had played and won 5 matches in Melbourne before losing to Nole. So the the situations are not directly comparable.

anon57
02-10-2008, 12:15 PM
Gotta question the wisdom of Djokovic playing if he's not fit enough to complete an entire match.

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 12:16 PM
justice for what???

For demonstration of power in your homeland?! For only one lost set, for crying Federer and crying Mirka...For Ll TT...:)

Nole is next No.1 and you all knows that!

Blue Heart24
02-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Lol,Djoko should have closed it in the third when he had *3-0 :lol:

Jozie
02-10-2008, 12:17 PM
Not in DC he's not ....

Sleepwalker64
02-10-2008, 12:17 PM
It was a big gamble on our side...but no complaints. Congratulations to Russia, and good luck vs. Czechs. Great and fair support from fans. Novak, nothing to be sorry for, you tried, you can't always win. Better luck next time.

helen10
02-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Gotta question the wisdom of Djokovic playing if he's not fit enough to complete an entire match.

It was obviously a risky strategy but it very nearly paid off...If Djokovic hadn't been broken at 5-4 then he would very probably have won in straight sets. Not to say that Russia wouldn't have won the 5th rubber but you never know with Davis Cup.

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Gotta question the wisdom of Djokovic playing if he's not fit enough to complete an entire match.

Would Zimonjic have done any better?

Kalliopeia
02-10-2008, 12:21 PM
Ok, I'm sorry but if Djokovic was not well then he had no business playing this match, not when the entire tie rested on his shoulders. He should have left it to someone who would at least have it in him to give it their best shot. Just couldn't stand not to be the golden boy, I guess.

Yappa
02-10-2008, 12:25 PM
He should have left it to someone who would at least have it in him to give it their best shot. Just couldn't stand not to be the golden boy, I guess.

Yeah, Djokovic just can't stand to not be in the spotlight. Or maybe he simply wanted to help out his team? Naah. ;)

goldenlox
02-10-2008, 12:26 PM
That looked awful. Screech was doing those 16 bounces even on a 2nd serve right at the end.
Then he quits up a set.
They should investigate this match.

Chiseller
02-10-2008, 12:27 PM
some of you guys are seriously braindead. i dont like djokovic but this was clearly the only chance to bring it home. he at least tried it :thumbsup

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 12:27 PM
He try everything...

After Nole won AO he could said "ok, I need rest, lets somebody else play in Moscow..."

Of course, for haters here nothing is good from him...

Grunge
02-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Ok, I'm sorry but if Djokovic was not well then he had no business playing this match, not when the entire tie rested on his shoulders. He should have left it to someone who would at least have it in him to give it their best shot. Just couldn't stand not to be the golden boy, I guess.

Mate, he almost made it. Strategy was that Nole wins in 3 sets. That was our best shot at this moment. We almost did it, but nothing to cry about. We lost, but we gave everything we could in this situation. Grats to Russians and good luck in rest of DC.

horizon
02-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Kalliopeia,don't speak if you don't know anything.The onlyone who could of played was Zimonjic,and even he had a high temperature over the last few days.So to say that "golden boy" thing was stupid

Kalliopeia
02-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Yeah, Djokovic just can't stand to not be in the spotlight. Or maybe he simply wanted to help out his team? Naah. ;)

And the best way to help out his team is to take on a top ten player (shaky lately, granted,but still a top ten player) when he's supposedly sick? Good plan.

helen10
02-10-2008, 12:29 PM
some of you guys are seriously braindead. i dont like djokovic but this was clearly the only chance to bring it home. he at least tried it :thumbsup

Well said!

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 12:30 PM
That looked awful. Screech was doing those 16 bounces even on a 2nd serve right at the end.
Then he quits up a set.
They should investigate this match.


You better inestigate why all players who came in Russia are ill...

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 12:30 PM
of course it was worth Serbia gambling on a partially fit Djokovic - it was a one off match and he very nearly pulled it off in 3 sets. Some of you people are just not sane...

Grunge
02-10-2008, 12:34 PM
He try everything...

After Nole won AO he could said "ok, I need rest, lets somebody else play in Moscow..."

Of course, for haters here nothing is good from him...

Exactly! And if he won today (was very close) haters would say "OMG he is cheating injury again! How could he win if he was ill?". Too many whiners at this forum :)
At least he always plays (even sick) for his country, as opposed to some other players.

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 12:34 PM
Mate, he almost made it. Strategy was that Nole wins in 3 sets. That was our best shot at this moment. We almost did it, but nothing to cry about. We lost, but we gave everything we could in this situation. Grats to Russians and good luck in rest of DC.

Exactly. Novak was the best shot the team had. Zimonjic would never have even gotten as close to winning as Novak was. He almost had it. It almost worked. But it didn't. Hopefully they'll get an easy team in the playoffs and they'll get to try again next year.

Congrats to the Russians. I don't think they'll have any trouble in the next round :yeah:

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 12:36 PM
of course it was worth Serbia gambling on a partially fit Djokovic - it was a one off match and he very nearly pulled it off in 3 sets. Some of you people are just not sane...

They are all sane - just want to have their moment while it lasts :) and they're also obviously not comfortable with the clear fact that Nole's game is technically so good that even with 40-50% of fuel he's able to almost straightset a top ten. (Those "the mug is gonna crumble next time" dreams dillute at the rapid rate :))

malica
02-10-2008, 12:36 PM
Good luck for Russia in next rounds.

Novak tried his best. He is really sick, yellow color of his face, not even shoing emotion when he win nice points. He had temeperature this morning.

It is Viktor's birthday today, hope he will make nice present for himself by winning over Tursanov.

scoobs
02-10-2008, 12:37 PM
Djokovic was still the best pick for the Serbs and the fact that he very nearly got it done in 3 sets proves the point - I seriously doubt that Zimonjic, playing on his third day running and also not feeling terribly well, could have taken it to a fifth rubber.

Serbia had no choice if they wanted to try and keep the tie alive but to field Djokovic and hope he had enough to get it done. He very nearly did.

A shame for them that the tie was marred by illness for practically the entire Serb team

Davydenko, though, proves the virtue of just hanging in even when it looks like all is lost - you don't know what might happen next.

Langers
02-10-2008, 12:39 PM
Such a shame. Djokovic tried so hard to pull through but his body didn't allow him to. :(

anon57
02-10-2008, 12:41 PM
Would Zimonjic have done any better?

To have a chance to win the tie,I agree that Djokovic playing was their best and possibly only shot. And if he felt he was fit enough to at least try for three sets, I guess there's no harm done.

scarecrows
02-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Congrats to the Russians. I don't think they'll have any trouble in the next round :yeah:

yep, Berdych and Stepanek are both clowns :yeah: :p

alexinmusic
02-10-2008, 12:43 PM
any team in DC should not count on a single top player. Swiss lost to Czech in the same way.

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 12:44 PM
The silverlining is that we got Belgium, and I honestly think we're big favorites there, no matter where it's played or what surface is chosen (the Rochuses, Vliegen, Darcis don't look like they could pose a serious threat).

OFF: Nole and Ziki announced they will enter the Olympic tournament as a doubles team. That will be cool :)

Bilbo
02-10-2008, 12:47 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssss

alexinmusic
02-10-2008, 12:51 PM
poor nole.
I think he will withdraw at OPEN13

foul_dwimmerlaik
02-10-2008, 12:54 PM
For Nole, actually, this loss might be a blessing in disgiuse. In the year when every race point counts, and with Olympics along the road, it should help him not having DC on his back. He tried to help his country to the best of his abilities, has nothing to blame himself for. Them's the breaks, now get well and prepare for IW/Miami combo.

alexinmusic
02-10-2008, 12:55 PM
The silverlining is that we got Belgium, and I honestly think we're big favorites there, no matter where it's played or what surface is chosen (the Rochuses, Vliegen, Darcis don't look like they could pose a serious threat).

OFF: Nole and Ziki announced they will enter the Olympic tournament as a doubles team. That will be cool :)

haha, I have chance to meet him in beijing then...

Or Levy
02-10-2008, 01:01 PM
Tsk Tsk.

Stomach flu is indeed a bitch.

I feel bad for him, because he carried his team that far, and it was just bad luck, but isn't Karma lovely?

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:06 PM
Yeah, Djokovic just can't stand to not be in the spotlight.

Thanks. Good to know that fact. What do you & person above know about Novak? To hate him and that's all.

akrobata
02-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Tsk Tsk.

Stomach flu is indeed a bitch.

I feel bad for him, because he carried his team that far, and it was just bad luck, but isn't Karma lovely?

It wasn't a stomach flu! It was a full-on flu with 39 degree temperature.


As per Daviscup.com:

"For 2½ sets he played well enough to win, occasionally brilliantly, but having failed to win the third set, he threw in the towel, complaining of dizziness and general exhaustion. He went straight from the Luzhniki arena to his hotel, and from there to a local hospital."

He ended up in the hospital - it is not nearly comparable to Roger's illness 7 days before AO and more than 2 weeks before his match with Nole. Honestly the people here are complete fools!

ReturnWinner
02-10-2008, 01:09 PM
after his continuous fakes then finally he has a true problem :o

Aenea
02-10-2008, 01:10 PM
I am not a Novak fan but I have to pay tribute to him for his strive to help his country teams to do well in teams tournaments. He played in the Hopman Cup in January and if Serbia made it to the final it was thanks to him. JJ was injured most of the time; she wasn’t able to play well, so it fell to Novak to pull the team through. In DC though obviously sick he played the doubles and even a single today. I agree with those of you who say Novak taking on Davydenko was Serbia’s best shot. I don’t think Novak decided to play today because he wanted to be in the spotlights. I truly believe he wanted to help his team. He nearly won the match, he played pretty well in the first 2 sets.
Credits to Novak for his decision to play in the singles though not feeling well. Credits to Davydenko for his performance in the 3rd set – he returned some very difficult balls and hit amazing winners just at the right moment.

AnnaK_4ever
02-10-2008, 01:12 PM
Fixed.

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 01:12 PM
I am not a Novak fan but I have to pay tribute to him for his strive to help his country teams to do well in teams tournaments. He played in the Hopman Cup in January and if Serbia made it to the final it was thanks to him. JJ was injured most of the time; she wasn’t able to play well, so it fell to Novak to pull the team through. In DC though obviously sick he played the doubles and even a single today. I agree with those of you who say Novak taking on Davydenko was Serbia’s best shot. I don’t think Novak decided to play today because he wanted to be in the spotlights. I truly believe he wanted to help his team. He nearly won the match, he played pretty well in the first 2 sets.
Credits to Novak for his decision to play in the singles though not feeling well. Credits to Davydenko for his performance in the 3rd set – he returned some very difficult balls and hit amazing winners just at the right moment.

Nicely put and thank you. Certain other players at the very top of the game didn't even bother to turn out for their countries...

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:14 PM
Good luck for Russia in next rounds.



Naw seriously - why almost all Serbs in MTF want good luck to Russia against Check or any other country? Historical 'friendship' or?

Wtg, Check:worship:, defeat Russia 5-0.

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 01:16 PM
Naw seriously - why almost all Serbs in MTF want good luck to Russia against Check or any other country? Historical 'friendship' or?

Wtg, Check:worship:, defeat Russia 5-0.

Being a good sport? Not being a sore loser? :shrug: Wanting to see the team you lost to go on and kick ass so you feel justified for losing? :p

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:16 PM
I am not a Novak fan but I have to pay tribute to him for his strive to help his country teams to do well in teams tournaments. He played in the Hopman Cup in January and if Serbia made it to the final it was thanks to him. JJ was injured most of the time; she wasn’t able to play well, so it fell to Novak to pull the team through. In DC though obviously sick he played the doubles and even a single today. I agree with those of you who say Novak taking on Davydenko was Serbia’s best shot. I don’t think Novak decided to play today because he wanted to be in the spotlights. I truly believe he wanted to help his team. He nearly won the match, he played pretty well in the first 2 sets.
Credits to Novak for his decision to play in the singles though not feeling well. Credits to Davydenko for his performance in the 3rd set – he returned some very difficult balls and hit amazing winners just at the right moment.

That is the comment, that is correct, this post is like an etalon for me.

Thank you tennischeto!

Chloe le Bopper
02-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Anybody who thinks that a "fit" player would retire when they are up 2 sets to 1 is an idiot.

The End.

elessar
02-10-2008, 01:18 PM
Woman, clean your house for example, leave tennis to people who know what is it. Or cook something.
:haha: but please keep going with those kinds of stupid posts. With any luck someone's gonna report you and you'll get a ban (crossing my fingers)

Naw seriously - why almost all Serbs in MTF want good luck to Russia against Check or any other country? Historical 'friendship' or?

Wtg, Check:worship:, defeat Russia 5-0.
Maybe because not all of them are nationalistic idiots who think that a country should lose just because they've beaten their team...

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:19 PM
Being a good sport? Not being a sore loser? :shrug: Wanting to see the team you lost to go on and kick ass so you feel justified for losing? :p

No, no, ok with congrats now. It is fair, ofcourse. I mean later and allways. 'Good luck with Checks, Argentinians, Itallians, Spaniards, whatever, Russia forever'.

gulzhan
02-10-2008, 01:20 PM
Djokovic was 2 breaka up in the 3d

probably that time he started having problems

i saw the match, djokovic did not have problems, davydenko only started keeping the ball in, that's all....

it did not look good djokovic retiring this way, out of blue... he looked very fine :shrug:

i think his parents might have initiated that :tape:

in any case he should have played, at least the 4th set, until it was clear davydenko would win and there would be 5th set...

looked real ugly :eek:

worse than the famous henin's withdrawl at AO :sad:

no offense to serbs and to djokovic :o it's just my feeling, i was so much looking forward to the fifth rubber :tape:

malica
02-10-2008, 01:23 PM
Naw seriously - why almost all Serbs in MTF want good luck to Russia against Check or any other country? Historical 'friendship' or?

Wtg, Check:worship:, defeat Russia 5-0.

As you quoted my post I just want to say there is nothing of historical reasons behind it. I think it is fair to congratulate the winner.
Moreover I can hardly understand people who can be happy if someone lost because he is ill(even if it is Novak whom some hate most).

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:24 PM
:haha: but please keep going with those kinds of stupid posts. With any luck someone's gonna report you and you'll get a ban (crossing my fingers)


Coward.

Corey Feldman
02-10-2008, 01:28 PM
Woman, clean your house for example, leave tennis to people who know what is it. Or cook something.:haha: tell her to do the ironing and get your dinner on the table before you get home !!

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:28 PM
As you quoted my post I just want to say there is nothing of historical reasons behind it. I think it is fair to congratulate the winner.
Moreover I can hardly understand people who can be happy if someone lost because he is ill(even if it is Novak whom some hate most).

I think just like you, we simply don't understand. Ofcourse to congratulate the winner. Is bothers me - Russia, good luck with Cheks, etc....

I am asking - why most of the Serbs loves Russia more than anubody else. Most, not all.

The Freak
02-10-2008, 01:29 PM
When things start going wrong he retires....what a wimp. :o

akrobata
02-10-2008, 01:30 PM
i saw the match, djokovic did not have problems, davydenko only started keeping the ball in, that's all....

it did not look good djokovic retiring this way, out of blue... he looked very fine :shrug:

i think his parents might have initiated that :tape:

in any case he should have played, at least the 4th set, until it was clear davydenko would win and there would be 5th set...

looked real ugly :eek:

worse than the famous henin's withdrawl at AO :sad:

no offense to serbs and to djokovic :o it's just my feeling, i was so much looking forward to the fifth rubber :tape:

Check the davis cup site before you go on assuming about what 'his parents might have initiated'.
WTF???? Where do you peeps come up with these stories?

He went to the HOSPITAL right after the match!

rocketassist
02-10-2008, 01:31 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

You're glad Russia (and Davydenko) won?

fangirl
02-10-2008, 01:32 PM
Clearly, Novak faked the entire cold in a delibrate ploy instigated by Srjdan to screw over Serbia and give the haters more ammunition on this message board. Blah blah blah.

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:32 PM
He went to the HOSPITAL right after the match!

Unfortunately, he is still there.

fangirl
02-10-2008, 01:33 PM
worse than the famous henin's withdrawl at AO :sad:


Yet another brilliant melodramatic Djokovic hating post by Gulzhan :worship::worship::worship:

anon57
02-10-2008, 01:34 PM
He went to the HOSPITAL right after the match!

I read that as well, hope he'll be ok soon

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 01:35 PM
Clearly, Novak faked the entire cold in a delibrate ploy instigated by Srjdan to screw over Serbia and give the haters more ammunition on this message board. Blah blah blah.

Of course - that's obviously what it is - how could we all be so blind.

n.sad
02-10-2008, 01:36 PM
i saw the match, djokovic did not have problems, davydenko only started keeping the ball in, that's all....

it did not look good djokovic retiring this way, out of blue... he looked very fine :shrug:

i think his parents might have initiated that :tape:

in any case he should have played, at least the 4th set, until it was clear davydenko would win and there would be 5th set...

looked real ugly :eek:

worse than the famous henin's withdrawl at AO :sad:

no offense to serbs and to djokovic :o it's just my feeling, i was so much looking forward to the fifth rubber :tape:

Djokovic throw up in towel after the match. He has virus since monday

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:41 PM
i saw the match, djokovic did not have problems, davydenko only started keeping the ball in, that's all....

it did not look good djokovic retiring this way, out of blue... he looked very fine :shrug:

i think his parents might have initiated that :tape:

in any case he should have played, at least the 4th set, until it was clear davydenko would win and there would be 5th set...

looked real ugly :eek:

worse than the famous henin's withdrawl at AO :sad:

no offense to serbs and to djokovic :o it's just my feeling, i was so much looking forward to the fifth rubber :tape:

You and a few morrons on MTF (not haters) - you think that good Novak is only realy sick or (affraid to write) Novak? Am I right?


Now, ban me please.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 01:48 PM
I am asking - why most of the Serbs loves Russia more than anubody else. Most, not all.

Well, this is tennis forum, so I don't see a reason to ask such questions here. If someone loves someone, why would that bother you? For those "political" questions you have apropriate forums, where you can ask that. Also you should find Serbian forum and ask there, because I doubt that anybody else can answer that except Serbs. It is a bit strange to ask Germans or Greeks (for example) why most Serbs like Russia, isn't it?

Jaap
02-10-2008, 01:49 PM
You're glad Russia (and Davydenko) won?

I'm glad I won some ££££££££££££££££££££

gulzhan
02-10-2008, 01:52 PM
Check the davis cup site before you go on assuming about what 'his parents might have initiated'.
WTF???? Where do you peeps come up with these stories?

He went to the HOSPITAL right after the match!

so what? :shrug: henin was hospitalized after the match against capriati at USO, got damn serious treatment, won the GS next day, and everyone hated her :lol:

as to the site, i never take the press as the source of reliable info :haha: i read so many intentional lies, sorry ;) i have eyes, saw the match, and tell what i think :p

Black Adam
02-10-2008, 01:53 PM
He choked away 3 rd set and decided it would be embarassing if he stuck around for the last 2 sets so he gave up. Where is the fighting spirit?

RogiRafaFan86
02-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Good. I'm not some sadist that likes to see anyone ill, not even the Djoke, but I prefer the Russian team over Serbia's. Simple as that.

NikolaBGD
02-10-2008, 01:54 PM
hakuna matata country... shut a fuck up!

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Good. I'm not some sadist that likes to see anyone ill, not even the Djoke, but I prefer the Russian team over Serbia's. Simple as that.

fair enough.

gulzhan
02-10-2008, 01:55 PM
You and a few morrons on MTF (not haters) - you think that good Novak is only realy sick or (affraid to write) Novak? Am I right?


Now, ban me please.

did you quote me by mistake? :eek: sorry i just did not get it-- are you djoko's fan or hater? :o

djocovic has got some reputation, it's his problem from now and until he retires :shrug: :lol:

Manon
02-10-2008, 01:56 PM
Where is the fighting spirit?

In hospital, dehidrated. Happy?

Dimonator133
02-10-2008, 01:56 PM
how is Davydenko THIS bad now?

I mean it looks like he was getting ABUSED until whatever happened to Djokovic happened.

goldenlox
02-10-2008, 01:59 PM
Nothing happened. He quit. The match was always close.

Manon
02-10-2008, 02:00 PM
djocovic has got some reputation

Where? On MTF where bitterness is way of life?

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:02 PM
did you quote me by mistake? :eek: sorry i just did not get it-- are you djoko's fan or hater? :o

djocovic has got some reputation, it's his problem from now and until he retires :shrug: :lol:

I feel the beed to point out that Djokovic is asthmatic. Now before we commence the lah blah blah blah I am a djokotard blah blah blah, that is a more serious problem than meets the eye. I too an asthmatic and I have been hospitalised on more than one occasion for having a common cold or virus because it has interferred with my asthma to the point of rendering me unable to breathe properly.

But thats OK, we can do with 'Novak is an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country'.

Jaap
02-10-2008, 02:03 PM
The Serbian contingent on here are absolutely livid. :lol:

Bobby
02-10-2008, 02:08 PM
I feel the beed to point out that Djokovic is asthmatic. Now before we commence the lah blah blah blah I am a djokotard blah blah blah, that is a more serious problem than meets the eye. I too an asthmatic and I have been hospitalised on more than one occasion for having a common cold or virus because it has interferred with my asthma to the point of rendering me unable to breathe properly.

But thats OK, we can do with 'Novak is an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country'.

If that's the case, why did he start the match in the first place? It's not patriotic to risk your health that way. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me, not to mention that Davydenko is not exactly a bad player. It was very optimistic to think that all it would take would be three quick sets.

Herdwick
02-10-2008, 02:14 PM
The Serbian contingent on here are absolutely livid. :lol:

Well I am a hard-headed Scot with no connection to Serbia, save an admiration for their tennis players.

But some of the illogical, acid-filled anti-Djokovic/anti-Serb tripe which is written here is enough to make anyone livid.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 02:14 PM
If that's the case, why did he start the match in the first place? It's not patriotic to risk your health that way. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me, not to mention that Davydenko is not exactly a bad player. It was very optimistic to think that all it would take would be three quick sets.

But he almost did it, didnt he? And if he wants to risk his health for his team mates, then it is his decission.

Manon
02-10-2008, 02:15 PM
If that's the case, why did he start the match in the first place? It's not patriotic to risk your health that way. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me, not to mention that Davydenko is not exactly a bad player. It was very optimistic to think that all it would take would be three quick sets.

Maybe, but it was his desicion to help Serbia. With 4 or 5 good serve Davydenko would be beaten by 3-0. Still, he will be 'an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country' here.

gulzhan
02-10-2008, 02:17 PM
I feel the beed to point out that Djokovic is asthmatic. Now before we commence the lah blah blah blah I am a djokotard blah blah blah, that is a more serious problem than meets the eye. I too an asthmatic and I have been hospitalised on more than one occasion for having a common cold or virus because it has interferred with my asthma to the point of rendering me unable to breathe properly.

But thats OK, we can do with 'Novak is an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country'.

yep. asthma is serious, we had that discussion last year after the final in estoril, you know, when he had asthma very conviniently to beat gasquet ;)

and some guy with asthma, aslo, had a different point of view...

plus, didn't djoko himself said that the bretahing problem was caused by adenoids that he had removed last year? :shrug:

muniu
02-10-2008, 02:18 PM
oh fuck what a bunch of morons here :mad: :lol: pathetic haters go to hell :rocker2:
Poor Novak, he tried so hard but he just ran out of fuel in the 3rd set :sad: Take care!!
Anyway good job Kolya :unsure:

Grunge
02-10-2008, 02:19 PM
One more thing...I really dont understand why moderators let insulting people or whole nations on this board. First time someone do that, delete his post, second time one-week ban, third time ban for life...simple as that. :p

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:19 PM
If that's the case, why did he start the match in the first place? It's not patriotic to risk your health that way. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me, not to mention that Davydenko is not exactly a bad player. It was very optimistic to think that all it would take would be three quick sets.

Do I look like the head of the Serbian Davis Cup team to you? Because last time I checked, a twenty-one year old Australian girl who knows about seven words of Serbian doesn't make those decisions.

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:20 PM
Maybe, but it was his desicion to help Serbia. With 4 or 5 good serve Davydenko would be beaten by 3-0. Still, he will be 'an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country' here.

You forgot the part about how he is going to establish a puppet regime with Djordje as president.

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 02:20 PM
I feel the need to point out that Djokovic is asthmatic.

What's your source on this? No one in Serbia ever mentioned anything about Djokovic ever suffering from asthma. He did have pronounced breathing problems, but those subsided to a good extent after a sinal surgery about 18 months ago (more specifically, after a big crumble against Wawrinka in Umag 2006 finals).

Manon
02-10-2008, 02:20 PM
but djoko could have at least started 4th set, lost a couple of games..

here we go again....no, he couldn't, he was tranfered to hospital.

jonny84
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
Djokovic was their shot so thats why he played.

Wonder if he will be all right for Marseilles?

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
yep. asthma is serious, we had that discussion last year after the final in estoril, you know, when he had asthma very conviniently to beat gasquet ;)

and some guy with asthma, aslo, had a different point of view...

plus, didn't djoko himself said that the bretahing problem was caused by adenoids that he had removed last year? :shrug:

Depends. Adenoids are not connected to Asthma. I don't have adenoids yet I still have breathing problems at times.

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
One more thing...I really dont understand why moderators let insulting people or whole nations on this board. First time someone do that, delete his post, second time one-week ban, third time ban for life...simple as that. :p

For moderators to do that you have to report the posts so they know there is a problem. If you don't report posts that you think are offensive then they won't act because the right moderators won't see it.

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:23 PM
What's your source on this? No one in Serbia ever mentioned anything about Djokovic ever suffering from asthma. He did have pronounced breathing problems, but those subsided to a good extent after a sinal surgery about 18 months ago.

Oh hello darling ;)!

It was mentioned at some point in an article I read, can't remember what one though because I read a lot and my pretty little head forgets things sometimes :)

the cat
02-10-2008, 02:24 PM
I feel the beed to point out that Djokovic is asthmatic. Now before we commence the lah blah blah blah I am a djokotard blah blah blah, that is a more serious problem than meets the eye. I too an asthmatic and I have been hospitalised on more than one occasion for having a common cold or virus because it has interferred with my asthma to the point of rendering me unable to breathe properly.

But thats OK, we can do with 'Novak is an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country'.

I'm glad Russia won this Davis Cup Tie against Serbia. But not this way. :( I didn't know Novak Djokovic is asthmatic. I am concerned about Novak and his future health because tennis seems to take so much out of him physically. And losing a crucial Davis Cup Tie to Russia when he had to retire up 2 sets to 1 has to hurt him so much.

Manon
02-10-2008, 02:27 PM
You forgot the part about how he is going to establish a puppet regime with Djordje as president.

Shame on me Kell.

Renaud
02-10-2008, 02:28 PM
Novak is an evil unpatriotic faker who is the instrument of Srjdan's plan to dismantle the country.

:worship:

Grunge
02-10-2008, 02:29 PM
I'm glad Russia won this Davis Cup Tie against Serbia. But not this way. :( I didn't know Novak Djokovic is asthmatic. I am concerned about Novak and his future health because tennis seems to take so much out of him physically. And losing a crucial Davis Cup Tie to Russia when he had to retire up 2 sets to 1 has to hurt him so much.

People should not overreact. He is ill, he has flu...those things happens to everyone. He will be ok, just need to stay in bed for few days. I hope he cancel Marseille so he can recover. There is really no need to cry over Djokovic, because probably everyone get flu once per year :)

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 02:29 PM
Djokovic was their shot so thats why he played.

Wonder if he will be all right for Marseilles?

He should not play Marseilles. It's just not smart. He doesn't have points to defend there anyway since he lost early last year, he needs to really look at this schedule and not overdo it. It would be better for him to make full recovery from whatever this illness is.

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 02:31 PM
Oh hello darling ;)!

It was mentioned at some point in an article I read, can't remember what one though because I read a lot and my pretty little head forgets things sometimes :)

Then the author most probably jumped into a conclusion that "having asthma-like breathing crises" = "having asthma"... But that's more than 99,9% wrong :)

Bobby
02-10-2008, 02:31 PM
Do I look like the head of the Serbian Davis Cup team to you? Because last time I checked, a twenty-one year old Australian girl who knows about seven words of Serbian doesn't make those decisions.


Well excuse me twenty-one year old Australian girl who knows seven words of Serbian. What's with the anger, I didn't mean to push you against the wall for Djokovic's decision. After reading my post again, I don't think I did.

Dougie
02-10-2008, 02:33 PM
He should not play Marseilles. It's just not smart. He doesn't have points to defend there anyway since he lost early last year, he needs to really look at this schedule and not overdo it. It would be better for him to make full recovery from whatever this illness is.

Totally agree. I´m sure he was suffering just from a normal flu, but the only smart thing to do now is to get some rest. Marseille in certainly not worth risking a prolonged illness. No offence to Marseille...

Bascule
02-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Life is just not fair...:shrug:

Lleyton_
02-10-2008, 02:42 PM
About time the arrogant Serbs got what they deserved. I'm very excited to see Djoker against Nadal on clay :lol:

Manon
02-10-2008, 02:45 PM
About time the arrogant Serbs got what they deserved. I'm very excited to see Djoker against Nadal on clay :lol:

Boo!

2-0, 3-0 for Novak.

I like Lleyton, btw.

Liesel
02-10-2008, 02:49 PM
He should not play Marseilles. It's just not smart. He doesn't have points to defend there anyway since he lost early last year, he needs to really look at this schedule and not overdo it. It would be better for him to make full recovery from whatever this illness is.

He played too much last year and the result now is that he's ill. Same as Jankovic. She's a great player, but played way too much last year. Now she has injuries all over her body.
They win a few matches, they make some money and the only thing they see in their eyes now are dollar signs.

Djokovic shouldn't play marseille, no. Get some good rest. And set up a calender that is more like the one of Federer.

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Well excuse me twenty-one year old Australian girl who knows seven words of Serbian. What's with the anger, I didn't mean to push you against the wall for Djokovic's decision. After reading my post again, I don't think I did.

Actually, I was being sarcastic. It is my default setting. I hope you didn't push me against the wall because you would have fucked up my hair.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
02-10-2008, 02:57 PM
Russia! :yeah:

Grunge
02-10-2008, 02:57 PM
He played too much last year and the result now is that he's ill.

How in the world is number of matches connected with flu? :)
And Djokovic played 19 tournaments las year, same as Nadal for example. Why is that too much? I really hope he will not play so few tournaments as Federer, because it is not good for tennis that best players show only on main events. 18-20 tournaments per year is really acceptable.

fangirl
02-10-2008, 02:59 PM
djfdsjds blah blah asasasksakas I can speak in Serbian, therefore I am better than you dsksdfjrewirew blah blah blah blah.

Bobby
02-10-2008, 03:00 PM
Actually, I was being sarcastic. It is my default setting. I hope you didn't push me against the wall because you would have fucked up my hair.


Okay, some misunderstanding here... Sorry! Have a good week, and a good hair day as well!

Liesel
02-10-2008, 03:01 PM
How in the world is number of matches connected with flu? :)
And Djokovic played 19 tournaments las year, same as Nadal for example. Why is that too much? I really hope he will not play so few tournaments as Federer, because it is not good for tennis that best players show only on main events. 18-20 tournaments per year is really acceptable.

It's what a reporter said about the Serb players on tv during a Jankovic match.

Dougie
02-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Wow, this has turned into a thread for serbian speakers only...Well, I for one was glad to see Djoko retire. Not sure if my bookie feels the same way...:haha::haha:

Dougie
02-10-2008, 03:07 PM
How in the world is number of matches connected with flu? :)
And Djokovic played 19 tournaments las year, same as Nadal for example. Why is that too much? I really hope he will not play so few tournaments as Federer, because it is not good for tennis that best players show only on main events. 18-20 tournaments per year is really acceptable.

It might well be connected. These kind of issues are naturally always individual, but every body needs rest. For some, 19 tournaments can be too much, especially if you reach the final stages of most of them. When you add traveling to the equation, you may well end up prone to injuries and illnesses.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 03:07 PM
It's what a reporter said about the Serb players on tv during a Jankovic match.

It is true for Jankovic, she plays too much. But Djokovic plays less tournaments then average player. Check it here:
http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/rankings/entrysystem/default.asp

the cat
02-10-2008, 03:07 PM
People should not overreact. He is ill, he has flu...those things happens to everyone. He will be ok, just need to stay in bed for few days. I hope he cancel Marseille so he can recover. There is really no need to cry over Djokovic, because probably everyone get flu once per year :)

I hope that the flu is the problem for Novak and not asthma.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 03:18 PM
I hope that the flu is the problem for Novak and not asthma.

Yes it is flu. Nenad Zimonjic confirmed it during the match. He has flu since monday night, and didnt have training at all for three days. Zimonjic got flu from Nole as well, he catched it on wednsday. Story about stomach virus was tactical move from our coach. They knew on wednsday that Novak, and Janko will not be able to play on day one (Novak because of flu, and Janko has some leg injury). So they made up stomach virus story following this logic: Russians saw that Novak and Janko are not practicing at all, so they knew something is wrong with them. They said it was stomach virus because they wanted to convince Russians that they will probably recover for fridays match, so they keep focus their tactic for theese two players. On friday they sent in two different players for which Russian team didnt prepare strategy. Well it didnt help us, but it was clever move :)

Snowwy
02-10-2008, 03:46 PM
he had problems from the beginning, team serbia hoped he can finish in three sets. i don't know why nole played this match at all :(

Please tell me this is a joke, right?

vidanhv
02-10-2008, 03:51 PM
That looked awful. Screech was doing those 16 bounces even on a 2nd serve right at the end.
Then he quits up a set.
They should investigate this match.
What are u pointing in? Betting scam? give me a break! Entire Serbian team was wiped out with the flue and was not allowed to take any medications because of the doping tests. Its a great thing that Nole even agreed to play. At least Russian audience could have seen him for a bit, and he tried to help his team.

camnation
02-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Poor Nole! It sucks this had to happen, but it's still pretty admirable that he was able to play as long as he could before his flu made it almost impossible for him to continue. Flus can get pretty bad, especially when you're putting so much pressure on your body. Get well Nole!

Eden
02-10-2008, 03:55 PM
Ill Djokovic retires to hand Russia the win

MOSCOW (AP) - An ailing Novak Djokovic retired despite leading in the first reverse singles match Sunday, giving Russia an insurmountable 3-1 lead over Serbia and a spot in the Davis Cup quarterfinals.

Djokovic, who was playing his first singles match since winning the Australian Open, was leading Nikolay Davydenko 6-4, 6-3, 4-6 when he quit.

Djokovic withdrew from the opening singles Friday because of flu symptoms but paired with Nenad Zimonjic on Saturday to give Serbia a point by beating Mikhail Youzhny and Dmitry Tursunov in straight sets.

Serbian team spokesman Ivan Radosevic said Djokovic was exhausted and would seek hospital treatment. However, Djokovic said at a post-game news conference that he had no plans to go to the hospital.

"I decided to stop because I don't want to risk my health," Djokovic said. "I wanted to fight, I tried to play but in the end I was aware of the fact that I am very dizzy and I have a lack of energy. I just didn't want to continue because of the risk I had."

Tursunov was playing Viktor Troicki in the meaningless second reverse singles.

Djokovic saved 15 of 19 break points with precise service winners, and caused Davydenko to make 27 forced errors.

He capitalized on Davydenko's poor returns in the 10th game of the first set to go up 1-0.

The Serb served an ace and two winners to save a break in each of his first two service games in the second set. He was 40-love down on his serve in the ninth game, but saved four break points to win the game and the set.

"Djokovic in the first two sets played clean, very clean, just no mistakes," Davydenko said.

Djokovic went up 3-0 in the third set and denied Davydenko a chance to level in the sixth game, rallying from 40-love down and saving two more break points for 4-2.

"After (being down) 3-love I started to fight and winning a few points and coming back and winning a set," Davydenko said. "I was surprised."

The Russian finally evened it 4-4 and broke a tired Djokovic with a forehand down the line at deuce in the 10th game to win the set and stay in the match.

"We played for 2 hours, 40 minutes. For me it was OK but for him?" Davydenko said. "I was feeling after the third set that I was winning and maybe he was really tired."

The best-of-five series at the Luzhniki Indoor Arena is being played on an indoor hard court. Russia is now unbeaten in 15 home series since 1995.

Russia will host the Czech Republic in the quarterfinals in April.

tangerine_dream
02-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Rotten luck for Serbia this weekend, to come down with the Russian flu hours before the matches were to begin. It looks like Novak hurt his leg in this match.

Photo caption: Novak Djokovic of Serbia bows down in pain over a leg injury during his match against Nikolay Davydenko of Russia at The Davis Cup World Group first round series between Russia and Serbia in Moscow, Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008.

Young Boss
02-10-2008, 04:15 PM
i like djokovic. but retiring after the 3rd while up 2 sets to 1 is a bitch move. plenty of athletes have played w/ the flu. the least he could've done was suck it up and play the 4th set and see what happens.

Alex999
02-10-2008, 04:20 PM
Great effort Novak. Get well soon.

Burrow
02-10-2008, 04:23 PM
he had problems from the beginning, team serbia hoped he can finish in three sets. i don't know why nole played this match at all :(

Why do people have to include the word "team" before the country or name of the party?

sawan66278
02-10-2008, 04:29 PM
:eek: I go to sleep with Djokovic up two sets to love, wondering who will win the final rubber. I wake up---and find out that he retired after losing the third set...because of the flu. To me, blame needs to be, first, levied against the Serbian coach. If Djokovic were so sick that his only chance for victory was to win in straight sets...and you put your team's hope on this? RIDICULOUS. I'm sorry...one could attempt to argue that there were no other options.

Zimonjic, though he was suffering from the flu, was available. And to say he did not have a realistic shot: he was playing one of the biggest chokers on tour...in a critical match...whose game has deteriorated before our very eyes. You're talking about a man who gives away break points like he's Santa Claus. He has more hair on his head than breakpoints won in critical matches. Just showing up was nearly enough. Besides, Zimo was playing well in both his matches...he had, in my opinion, a real shot. Serbia's coach should have made the hard decision. Even if Djokovic wanted to play, he should have not been allowed if he were that ill.

This leads to my second point:

Djoke fans cant have it both ways
they were saying Federer was fit

As the Aussies say, if you choose to play, you're not injured. If Djokovic chose to play, than NO EXCUSES about injuries are warranted. Part of competitive sports is RISING above the injuries and sicknesses...weaknesses that impair top performances. Look at Michael Jordan in the NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. The man had a fever, was EXTREMELY ill...and yet: played one of the legendary games in NBA finals history...leading his team to a huge win over the Jazz (and the eventual title). 99% of the players would not have even played. Jordan? He went above and beyond...this is what separates superstars from all-stars. Immortals from flavors of the moment. Eerily similar to some of his withdrawals in the past, Novak needs to recognized: winning while not at your best...that is what marks a champion. You DON'T retire unless they have to carry you off on a stretcher.

I feel badly for my Serbian friends...because, after watching the matches, I have NO DOUBT: Serbia was the better team (if healthy). Novak was far superior to anyone the Russians had. And Tipo would have had a VERY good shot against anyone (except maybe an in form Safin). And the doubles?:haha::haha::haha: Did anyone watch the display by Misha and Dima? It was laughable. Even high school players I grew up with in the mountains of West Virginia displayed a clearer understanding of the basics of doubles. For example, how many times did Dima step into Misha's line of fire on Misha's forehand side? EVERYONE knows: the player with the forehand play takes the shot if the ball is in between the two players. Time and time again: Dima broke this rule...and almost looked like he was about the hit Misha:eek:

My prediction: if healthy, Serbia will be in the Cup finals (with an excellent chance at victory) within the next four to five years.

One last point. Regardless of whether or not Djokovic could have played or not, the word is certainly spreading in the locker room. If Novak is hurt/sick, keep him out there, and you have a chance at winning...even if you are down two sets to love. He needs to reverse this perception fast, or every player he faces will continue to hope and fight---even when down in their matches against him.

Bascule
02-10-2008, 04:43 PM
:eek: I go to sleep with Djokovic up two sets to love, wondering who will win the final rubber. I wake up---and find out that he retired after losing the third set...because of the flu. To me, blame needs to be, first, levied against the Serbian coach. If Djokovic were so sick that his only chance for victory was to win in straight sets...and you put your team's hope on this? RIDICULOUS. I'm sorry...one could attempt to argue that there were no other options.

Zimonjic, though he was suffering from the flu, was available. And to say he did not have a realistic shot: he was playing one of the biggest chokers on tour...in a critical match...whose game has deteriorated before our very eyes. You're talking about a man who gives away break points like he's Santa Claus. He has more hair on his head than breakpoints won in critical matches. Just showing up was nearly enough. Besides, Zimo was playing well in both his matches...he had, in my opinion, a real shot. Serbia's coach should have made the hard decision. Even if Djokovic wanted to play, he should have not been allowed if he were that ill.

This leads to my second point:



As the Aussies say, if you choose to play, you're not injured. If Djokovic chose to play, than NO EXCUSES about injuries are warranted. Part of competitive sports is RISING above the injuries and sicknesses...weaknesses that impair top performances. Look at Michael Jordan in the NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. The man had a fever, was EXTREMELY ill...and yet: played one of the legendary games in NBA finals history...leading his team to a huge win over the Jazz (and the eventual title). 99% of the players would not have even played. Jordan? He went above and beyond...this is what separates superstars from all-stars. Immortals from flavors of the moment. Eerily similar to some of his withdrawals in the past, Novak needs to recognized: winning while not at your best...that is what marks a champion. You DON'T retire unless they have to carry you off on a stretcher.

I feel badly for my Serbian friends...because, after watching the matches, I have NO DOUBT: Serbia was the better team (if healthy). Novak was far superior to anyone the Russians had. And Tipo would have had a VERY good shot against anyone (except maybe an in form Safin). And the doubles?:haha::haha::haha: Did anyone watch the display by Misha and Dima? It was laughable. Even high school players I grew up with in the mountains of West Virginia displayed a clearer understanding of the basics of doubles. For example, how many times did Dima step into Misha's line of fire on Misha's forehand side? EVERYONE knows: the player with the forehand play takes the shot if the ball is in between the two players. Time and time again: Dima broke this rule...and almost looked like he was about the hit Misha:eek:

My prediction: if healthy, Serbia will be in the Cup finals (with an excellent chance at victory) within the next four to five years.

One last point. Regardless of whether or not Djokovic could have played or not, the word is certainly spreading in the locker room. If Novak is hurt/sick, keep him out there, and you have a chance at winning...even if you are down two sets to love. He needs to reverse this perception fast, or every player he faces will continue to hope and fight---even when down in their matches against him.

Well Sawana, thanks, it's nice to hear you have serbian friends. Are they from MTF?;)

ufokart
02-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Typical hilarious MTF thread :haha:

No player who is fit would retire after being 2 sets to love and ahead in the third set just because he lost that close third set, he still had the 2-1 advantage, it makes no sense that someone would retire at that point unless he's really ill.
And if he was ill, well, at least he almost won the match, something that i doubt Zimonjic would have been even close to do and if djoko wanted to play while ill it was the serbian coach who should have decided if he played or not. Apparently the serbian coach thought that the chances of Djokovic winning a fast straight sets match agfainst Davydenko was better than Letting Zimonjic (who would have played his second singles match of the weekend and 3rd best of 5 sets match in a row) play and frankly, we will never know how Zimonjic would have fared but Djoko almost won so it wasn't such a terrible decision :shrug:

Funny to see people critizice him when he has injury timeouts without real injuries AND when he is really injured :lol:

On the other hand some of the responses of djoko fans in the thread are also hilariously stupid.
One telling another poster to go and clean her house and another saying that Djokovic will be number 1 and that it's basically a fact despite him being still the number 3 player in the world.

:haha:

dylan24
02-10-2008, 04:48 PM
take the rest of the year off to rest up novak

Clara Bow
02-10-2008, 04:49 PM
Rotten luck for Serbia this weekend, to come down with the Russian flu hours before the matches were to begin.

Errr--- plenty of hours since reports have said that Nole first had symptoms on Monday- before they even arrived in Russia.

Novak was far superior to anyone the Russians had. And Tipo would have had a VERY good shot against anyone (except maybe an in form Safin)

Have to do my requisite Misha doesn't suck stance. Yeah- Youzhny was pretty darned bad in his first set of his singles tie- but he cleaned it up and played well enough that I am not ready to pencil in an automatic win for a healthy Nole if they should have met. He himself said that he was a little thrown in the first match because he was expecting to and preparing himself to play Nole and had that switched up 45 minutes before the match. I do think Nole could have had a great chance of winning - but I don't think it is an automatic outcome.

I do agree that Dima and Youzhny just looked like they did not understand each other at all there. Dima needs to read a dubs instruction manual.

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Typical hilarious MTF thread :haha:

No player who is fit would retire after being 2 sets to love and ahead in the third set just because he lost that close third set, he still had the 2-1 advantage, it makes no sense that someone would retire at that point unless he's really ill.
And if he was ill, well, at least he almost won the match, something that i doubt Zimonjic would have been even close to do and if djoko wanted to play while ill it was the serbian coach who should have decided if he played or not. Apparently the serbian coach thought that the chances of Djokovic winning a fast straight sets match agfainst Davydenko was better than Letting Zimonjic (who would have played his second singles match of the weekend and 3rd best of 5 sets match in a row) play and frankly, we will never know how Zimonjic would have fared but Djoko almost won so it wasn't such a terrible decision :shurg:

Funny to see people critizice him when he has injury timeouts without real injuries AND when he is really injured :lol:

On the other hand some of the responses of djoko fans in the thread are also hilariously stupid.
One telling another poster to go and clean her house and another saying that Djokovic will be number 1 and that it's basically a fact despite him being still the number 3 player in the world.

:haha:


Great post :yeah: I agree with.. everything :p

rocketassist
02-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Novak and Janko shouldn't have eaten any food cooked over there.

Clara Bow
02-10-2008, 04:59 PM
Novak and Janko shouldn't have eaten any food cooked over there.

Again- Nole has the flu- the regular flu- not food poisoning/stomach flu. He has had symptoms since the first part of the week- which would have been before they flew over there if I am not mistaken.

Eating odd food does not cause the influenza. Sorry to disappoint any conspiracy theorists. I would be happy to blame the Russian Davis Cup for the wave of flu that has gone through my office but don't think I can, even though it would be very exciting if that were the case. It is the winter in the Northern Hemisphere- a.k.a flu season.

Janko does not have the stomach flu either.

Manon
02-10-2008, 05:08 PM
Well, happy end - Novak is reacher for 'Djokotka', a bottle of vodka by old Russian as a gift.

Manon
02-10-2008, 05:09 PM
:eek: I go to sleep with Djokovic up two sets to love, wondering who will win the final rubber. I wake up---and find out that he retired after losing the third set...because of the flu. To me, blame needs to be, first, levied against the Serbian coach. If Djokovic were so sick that his only chance for victory was to win in straight sets...and you put your team's hope on this? RIDICULOUS. I'm sorry...one could attempt to argue that there were no other options.

Zimonjic, though he was suffering from the flu, was available. And to say he did not have a realistic shot: he was playing one of the biggest chokers on tour...in a critical match...whose game has deteriorated before our very eyes. You're talking about a man who gives away break points like he's Santa Claus. He has more hair on his head than breakpoints won in critical matches. Just showing up was nearly enough. Besides, Zimo was playing well in both his matches...he had, in my opinion, a real shot. Serbia's coach should have made the hard decision. Even if Djokovic wanted to play, he should have not been allowed if he were that ill.

This leads to my second point:



As the Aussies say, if you choose to play, you're not injured. If Djokovic chose to play, than NO EXCUSES about injuries are warranted. Part of competitive sports is RISING above the injuries and sicknesses...weaknesses that impair top performances. Look at Michael Jordan in the NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. The man had a fever, was EXTREMELY ill...and yet: played one of the legendary games in NBA finals history...leading his team to a huge win over the Jazz (and the eventual title). 99% of the players would not have even played. Jordan? He went above and beyond...this is what separates superstars from all-stars. Immortals from flavors of the moment. Eerily similar to some of his withdrawals in the past, Novak needs to recognized: winning while not at your best...that is what marks a champion. You DON'T retire unless they have to carry you off on a stretcher.

I feel badly for my Serbian friends...because, after watching the matches, I have NO DOUBT: Serbia was the better team (if healthy). Novak was far superior to anyone the Russians had. And Tipo would have had a VERY good shot against anyone (except maybe an in form Safin). And the doubles?:haha::haha::haha: Did anyone watch the display by Misha and Dima? It was laughable. Even high school players I grew up with in the mountains of West Virginia displayed a clearer understanding of the basics of doubles. For example, how many times did Dima step into Misha's line of fire on Misha's forehand side? EVERYONE knows: the player with the forehand play takes the shot if the ball is in between the two players. Time and time again: Dima broke this rule...and almost looked like he was about the hit Misha:eek:

My prediction: if healthy, Serbia will be in the Cup finals (with an excellent chance at victory) within the next four to five years.

One last point. Regardless of whether or not Djokovic could have played or not, the word is certainly spreading in the locker room. If Novak is hurt/sick, keep him out there, and you have a chance at winning...even if you are down two sets to love. He needs to reverse this perception fast, or every player he faces will continue to hope and fight---even when down in their matches against him.

In Serbian - F E N O M E N A L N O !!!

Johnny Groove
02-10-2008, 05:12 PM
The Russian Flu :rolls:

mer
02-10-2008, 05:46 PM
Yes it is flu. Nenad Zimonjic confirmed it during the match. He has flu since monday night, and didnt have training at all for three days. Zimonjic got flu from Nole as well, he catched it on wednsday. Story about stomach virus was tactical move from our coach. They knew on wednsday that Novak, and Janko will not be able to play on day one (Novak because of flu, and Janko has some leg injury). So they made up stomach virus story following this logic: Russians saw that Novak and Janko are not practicing at all, so they knew something is wrong with them. They said it was stomach virus because they wanted to convince Russians that they will probably recover for fridays match, so they keep focus their tactic for theese two players. On friday they sent in two different players for which Russian team didnt prepare strategy. Well it didnt help us, but it was clever move :)
Russians didn't buy stomach virus story btw. Everybody knew that Janko had injury and wouldn't play on Friday. As for Novak, reports in russian press were that he had a cold/flu and might not play on Friday as well.

Rogieva
02-10-2008, 05:50 PM
Yes ! :D

sawan66278
02-10-2008, 05:51 PM
Well Sawana, thanks, it's nice to hear you have serbian friends. Are they from MTF?;) Um...maybe.;);)

In Serbian - F E N O M E N A L N O !!!

What does this mean? Translation, please.

Merton
02-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Congrats to Russia for advancing wth having only 3 players available, and to Serbia for their effort. I think it was wrong to use Djokovic in the match, the question is not whether Djokovic in his condition had a better shot to win in straight sets than Zmonjic (he did). Instead, the question is whether Nole's participation increased the overall chances for Serbia to advance. It didn't. I do not see any realistic way that Troicki would prevail against Youzhny in a live 5th match. Therefore, the risk involved in using Djokovic was not justified.

Merton
02-10-2008, 06:26 PM
Djokovic has been sick all this week and had to w/d from the Friday singles. Today was his first match and he was clearly not well.

Am quite prepared to admit that Fed was not at his best in the AO, however he had over a week's gap between being ill and his first match, and had played and won 5 matches in Melbourne before losing to Nole. So the the situations are not directly comparable.

Both excuses start with facts: Nole had been sick, Federer had a poisoning before the start of the AO, then did not play at his best. Then, they proceed with counterfactuals: Had Nole been 100%, he would have won. Had Roger played at his best, he would have won. The problem here is that these counterfactuals can neither be proven nor disproven: They will remain hypotheticals, resting in the realm of some alternative history. The fact that you point out (accurately) that the situations are not directly comparable is irrelevant. You merely imply that Nole's counterfactual had a greater probability of occuring in the alternative universe where Nole was healthy, relative to the alternative universe where Roger was healthy. The problem is that those universes are not observable, so those assertions can not be proven or disproven.

Corey Feldman
02-10-2008, 06:26 PM
In Serbian - F E N O M E N A L N O !!!

What does this mean? Translation, please.
Phenomenal ??

this has been a phenomenal thread so far !! :worship:

Corey Feldman
02-10-2008, 06:30 PM
Life is just not fair...:shrug:http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/character0051.gif

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh !!! http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sad/sad0147.gif

scarecrows
02-10-2008, 06:32 PM
Both excuses start with facts: Nole had been sick, Federer had a poisoning before the start of the AO, then did not play at his best. Then, they proceed with counterfactuals: Had Nole been 100%, he would have won. Had Roger played at his best, he would have won. The problem here is that these counterfactuals can neither be proven nor disproven: They will remain hypotheticals, resting in the realm of some alternative history. The fact that you point out (accurately) that the situations are not directly comparable is irrelevant. You merely imply that Nole's counterfactual had a greater probability of occuring in the alternative universe where Nole was healthy, relative to the alternative universe where Roger was healthy. The problem is that those universes are not observable, so those assertions can not be proven or disproven.

quality reply :worship::worship::worship:

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 06:39 PM
Question... why are people in here saying Serbia plays Belgium? :scratch: Since when is that how Davis Cup works? :scratch:

Don't they have to wait until they know what teams are moving up from the zonal ties before seedings can be made, etc to see who is playing who?

People should not be talking as if this is set in stone. I mean it's possible, but it's not decided already :scratch: Unless I'm missing something.

RogerFan82
02-10-2008, 06:43 PM
Djoke has the stamina of an old woman!!!! He retires from a game, every 2 months.

@Sweet Cleopatra
02-10-2008, 06:43 PM
wooooooooooooow
I'm soooooooooo happy

CyBorg
02-10-2008, 06:49 PM
:lol:

Davydenko's first win over a top player... hahaha...

Yikes. So true.

Allure
02-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Djokovic wanted to conserve energy for Marseille.

Grunge
02-10-2008, 08:00 PM
Question... why are people in here saying Serbia plays Belgium? :scratch: Since when is that how Davis Cup works? :scratch:

Don't they have to wait until they know what teams are moving up from the zonal ties before seedings can be made, etc to see who is playing who?

People should not be talking as if this is set in stone. I mean it's possible, but it's not decided already :scratch: Unless I'm missing something.

People are just talking crap :) Of course we do not know whom will we play against. Someone made mistake on Serbian national tv that we are playing Belgium and now everyone repeat same mistake. There will be draw for "play out" and Serbia will be in in pot 1 of the draw, because our ranking is 8th of 16 in worst case scenario. :wavey:

Bascule
02-10-2008, 08:01 PM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/character0051.gif

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh !!! http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sad/sad0147.gif

Finally, something funny from you. :D

Grunge
02-10-2008, 08:01 PM
Russians didn't buy stomach virus story btw. Everybody knew that Janko had injury and wouldn't play on Friday. As for Novak, reports in russian press were that he had a cold/flu and might not play on Friday as well.

yeah, I said it didnt work, but it was good shot to decieve opponent :)

amierin
02-10-2008, 08:12 PM
According to the DC site Serbia plays Australia in September.

http://www.daviscup.com/results/wgpo.asp

dylan24
02-10-2008, 08:15 PM
so is djokovic playing marseille?
its bullshit if he does.
he probably will show up
take the apperance money
and then quit in his first match

savesthedizzle
02-10-2008, 08:15 PM
According to the DC site Serbia plays Australia in September.

http://www.daviscup.com/results/wgpo.asp

Sweet and they already gave us 4 wins too. :p

tennismaster882001
02-10-2008, 08:24 PM
Great to see such effort from Novak, too bad it wasn't enough!
Wow Novak surely has many haters, on this forum that means he's a great champion! :yeah:

lalaland
02-10-2008, 08:33 PM
After reading some pages on this thread, I'm not sure what I would prefer, being called a quitter (that he quitted while leading), or a cheater (if he had won in 3, the whole MTF would probably cry foul). Either way, he can't win.

scarecrows
02-10-2008, 08:34 PM
According to the DC site Serbia plays Australia in September.

http://www.daviscup.com/results/wgpo.asp

damn, what a coincidence, like in 2007 ;)

Corey Feldman
02-10-2008, 08:37 PM
:lol::lol: if only we had this info this time last year, we coulda all made $$$$$millions

DhammaTiger
02-10-2008, 08:42 PM
Kolya :yippee: :woohoo: good to see he is back to winning. Vamos Kolya :yippee:

ys
02-10-2008, 09:36 PM
Expected result. This kind of matches must be won by real men prepared to suffer. Novak should have been born a girl. But, well, we all knew that since his first round of US Open 2005..

dylan24
02-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Expected result. This kind of matches must be won by real men prepared to suffer. Novak should have been born a girl. But, well, we all knew that since his first round of US Open 2005..

he'd have been one ugly girl

gogogirl
02-10-2008, 09:48 PM
Hey All,

I must admit I was surprised to see Nole playing in the doubles match on yesterday my time. That point seems to have been lost in shuffle. Before anyone can state that the coach shouldn't have had him play in the 3rd rubber singles' match, what about his having him play in the doubles' rubber? What was up w/that? Was his reasoning that they had to at least try to win the doubles in order that they have a shot at the entire tie - all the while suspecting that if they won the doubles, Nole would play in the third singles match?

Their doubles' team won in straight sets, so unless the symptoms he suffered from before the doubles match got worse, why wouldn't the coach ask if he he felt fit to play the next day in the singles? If the doubles score had of been 2-1 Serbia and Russia had won the third set, would they have stopped play in order for Nole to retire from doubles? Would they have gone thru the five sets if needed - win or lose? And....... again, wouldn't the coach have asked Nole the next day before his singles' match if he felt worse than he did the day before when he played/won in doubles? It just does not make any sense to me.

Aloimeh
02-10-2008, 10:12 PM
Expected result. This kind of matches must be won by real men prepared to suffer. Novak should have been born a girl. But, well, we all knew that since his first round of US Open 2005..

Yawn....it's tennis, not the battle of Stalingrad or open heart surgery.

Manon
02-10-2008, 10:18 PM
Um...maybe.;);)



What does this mean? Translation, please.

Phenomenal or The great post.

N.B. Your signature makes me cry. That is absolutely fabulous.

ys
02-10-2008, 10:20 PM
Yawn....it's tennis, not the battle of Stalingrad or open heart surgery.

Kind of. That's why they lost. Especially given, as they say, it was considered as an option BEFORE the match - winning in three or quitting. How do you like it? Not quitting when you can no longer play - but rather quitting if you don't win in straights. Wonderful. Look at those last moments after the third set. No discussions on Serbian bench, no doubts. Just a towel. It was just that - winning in straights, otherwise quitting..

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 10:42 PM
One last point. Regardless of whether or not Djokovic could have played or not, the word is certainly spreading in the locker room. If Novak is hurt/sick, keep him out there, and you have a chance at winning...even if you are down two sets to love. He needs to reverse this perception fast, or every player he faces will continue to hope and fight---even when down in their matches against him.

Valid point, but bear in mind that Nole already had a few of "(brain)dead on court" appearances (of late, most notably against Moya in Cincy and in the TMC) - hence guys already KNOW he has no miraculous way of making the opp crumble if he's under the weather. As for this match, i'm 99% certain that, if it were any kind of regular ATP tournament, he'd concede a walkover - but playing for the national team made him try to muster up whatever's been left in him.

Farenhajt
02-10-2008, 10:50 PM
According to the DC site Serbia plays Australia in September.

http://www.daviscup.com/results/wgpo.asp

Isn't this the report on 2007 Playout? :confused:

Tnn74
02-10-2008, 11:37 PM
Fakevic is a joke :lol:

its.like.that
02-10-2008, 11:47 PM
typical serb

retires when the going gets tough :o

Lee
02-10-2008, 11:48 PM
Congrats to Russia for advancing wth having only 3 players available, and to Serbia for their effort. I think it was wrong to use Djokovic in the match, the question is not whether Djokovic in his condition had a better shot to win in straight sets than Zmonjic (he did). Instead, the question is whether Nole's participation increased the overall chances for Serbia to advance. It didn't. I do not see any realistic way that Troicki would prevail against Youzhny in a live 5th match. Therefore, the risk involved in using Djokovic was not justified.


I don't know why posters here keep asking why playing Djokovic instead of Zimonjic. The logic is very simple. Both Zimonjic and Djokovic are sick. Zimonjic already played 4 sets single match on Friday and 3 sets doubles match on Saturday. Djokovic ranked #3 and Zimonjic ranked 989859488509480. Unless Djokovic is sooo sick that he can't even get out of bed, it's a no brainer to play Novak instead of Nenad.

And for whether Troicki would prevail against Youzhny. One will never know. Who can guarantee that Misha will finish the match if he plays? He may have contracted the flu or he may injured during the match. I am not wishing injury on Misha, I like him too. I only want to point out that if Djokovic managed to pull thru his rubber, we may never know what will happen for the 5th rubber.

SerenaFederer
02-11-2008, 12:42 AM
About time the arrogant Serbs got what they deserved. I'm very excited to see Djoker against Nadal on clay :lol:

you want to see another ret. due to back injury and then he claims he had the match won :p

fangirl
02-11-2008, 01:52 AM
he'd have been one ugly girl

So would your avatar.

HNCS
02-11-2008, 02:12 AM
novak had a virus infection.....???http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/smilies/confused.gif

Branimir
02-11-2008, 02:21 AM
Novak is the best. Champion. :)
Congrats to Russia. Serbia will have its chances.

JimmyV
02-11-2008, 04:34 AM
Awesome, the less we have to see of that tool the better.

They should just wheel him out onto the court on a stretcher to play each one of his matches, I don't think he's played "healthy" since before the 2006 French Open.

Grunge
02-11-2008, 04:59 AM
typical serb

retires when the going gets tough :o

Actually, comments like yours is typical Serb. Spitting on everything from your living room chair, not knowing to apreciate great effort or great achievements...and so on. Even if Nole quit tennis today, he did something that probably will not be matched by another Serb in next 20 years. So there is no room to blame him for anything.

zcess81
02-11-2008, 08:53 AM
Good effort by Novak...at least he gave it his best and he nearly made it. Clearly something must have been very wrong with him as he would NEVER retire after leading 2:1. Well, like I said, at least he gave his best...unlike Murray. My main problem with Murray is that he didn't even go to Argentina...at the very least he should have gone with his team if for no other reason than to give them moral support.

bokehlicious
02-11-2008, 08:55 AM
My main problem with Murray is that he didn't even go to Argentina...at the very least he should have gone with his team if for no other reason than to give them moral support.

:retard::retard:

Kolya
02-11-2008, 11:18 AM
Good effort by Novak...at least he gave it his best and he nearly made it. Clearly something must have been very wrong with him as he would NEVER retire after leading 2:1. Well, like I said, at least he gave his best...unlike Murray. My main problem with Murray is that he didn't even go to Argentina...at the very least he should have gone with his team if for no other reason than to give them moral support.

:confused:

Stefanos13
02-11-2008, 11:19 AM
: My main problem with Murray is that he didn't even go to Argentina...at the very least he should have gone with his team if for no other reason than to give them moral support. retard::retard:

That diva couldn't afford the jetlag ;)

Sunset of Age
02-11-2008, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the cash, Denko! :hatoff:

rofe
02-11-2008, 02:58 PM
Why is there so much hate towards Novak in these forums? I don't find his game particularly interesting but there is no need to dislike or hate him. I think this has more to do with all the Novak bandwagoners that have come out of the woodwork.

I wish March would come soon so that we can discuss tennis.

Herdwick
02-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Appreciate your sentiments Rofe but please don't get them started again. Had all we could take after the AO..