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Jordan Kerr - deserves a shot?

Consigliere
02-10-2008, 10:31 AM
Our only other doubles player near the top twenty side from Hanley. Should he not be given a go in the DC team? I think Fitzgerald has perenially shown a lack of respect to many talented doubles specialists I think we should go back to a doubles players only doubles DC team. Many countries would give a lot to have a player ranked in the top 30 doubles and this guy doesn't get a mention. I hope he tries something new against the Kazaks or whoever we play, Hanley/Hewitt seem awkward together.

scotthongkong
02-10-2008, 10:34 AM
Our only other doubles player near the top twenty side from Hanley. Should he not be given a go in the DC team? I think Fitzgerald has perenially shown a lack of respect to many talented doubles specialists I think we should go back to a doubles players only doubles DC team. Many countries would give a lot to have a player ranked in the top 30 doubles and this guy doesn't get a mention. I hope he tries something new against the Kazaks or whoever we play, Hanley/Hewitt seem awkward together.

Great post and I agree with you completely!

Consigliere
03-01-2008, 02:25 PM
Kerr and Hanley win in Zagreb.

They should be our permanant doubles partnership NOW!!

scotthongkong
03-04-2008, 12:03 PM
Kerr and Hanley win in Zagreb.

They should be our permanant doubles partnership NOW!!

Yeah! Get the best team we can!!!

aussie_fan
03-04-2008, 12:09 PM
Still a risk for our singles players, it's hard to go with two doubles specialists unless they are very, very good. I think you still better off playing lleyton in the dubs

Consigliere
03-05-2008, 06:00 AM
well if there comes a time when we have nobody in the top hundred singles but have two top ten doubles players i would expect you to advocate for them two to play in the singles, it would be a risk for our doubles players to have such a poor singles pair imo. :)

seriously im sick of this fitzgerald. he selects every squad as if his job were on the line not as if he's looking after the future of oz tennis, you what that is, selfish. it's thailand we're talking about thailand, try a doubles pair.

also i cant believe our young guns aren't in the squad and given a chance to play dead rubbers, alun jones wtf good is it giving him games how much is he gonna play dc in the future, get klein or jones in there, i dont give a sh1t about their rankings you use discretion with serious talent. while im on that i also think one of those two should get the rgarros wildcard.

ok rant over.

aussie_fan
03-05-2008, 11:44 AM
I don't understand, he selects the best team possible for every tie. Alun Jones did his work well enough to get a spot in there, it's a bit hard to let a junior be in there, if someone gets injuried he's thrust into the spotlight and that makes it hard it hard on them. Never underestimate the opponent, thailand have udomchoke and the twins with the long names i can't remember. We'll still have to play well to win, can't just try things because we are assumed to win.

Consigliere
03-05-2008, 12:59 PM
I don't understand, he selects the best team possible for every tie. Alun Jones did his work well enough to get a spot in there, it's a bit hard to let a junior be in there, if someone gets injuried he's thrust into the spotlight and that makes it hard it hard on them. Never underestimate the opponent, thailand have udomchoke and the twins with the long names i can't remember. We'll still have to play well to win, can't just try things because we are assumed to win.

Well my point is this, let's be honest, I'm not sure how big a chance we are of winning the Davis Cup, probably about as big of one that we have been every year for the past five. But sometimes instead of neccessarily going into every tie and selecting your best 'ranked' team, it would be wise to take a few risks here and there for the sake of the future and to widen the depth of talent at your disposal, to look at the bigger picture once in a while and make a few selections based on a potential dividend down the track. Selecting two of the top 25 ranked doubles playing on the planet to play a team in a home tie against Thailand including udomchoke :eek: :eek: is hardly underestimating your opponent, more like respecting them for that matter, how many do they have ranked in the top 25??

But the point as in many other sports sometimes we see the selection of a squad including players who provide more upside than others but may not be ranked or have the experience of others due to age etc. For instance in AFL if you draft a no. 1 pick usually the team which doesn't have much hope of winning the competition for a few years to come, will include that high in it's team to give them the big match experience and ensure a little kick along to their career. I'm sure the Aussie DC team could do the same with a Brydan Klein or a Greg Jones. You see 'best side' is a subjective term, you're referring to best side as in the best one on rankings but I don't think many people would argue Jones's prospects are up near that of those two boys. Of course I'm not even advocating that those guys play but merely be available for dead rubbers and or as a possible injury replacement for one of our players when playing a lowly ranked team like Thailand (not an underestimation, merely a statement of fact).

Again IMO the reason we are always selecting so narrowly and conservatively is because Mr. Fitzgerald is so phobic about losing that he is placing his own future ahead of that of the team and it's about time he merely acted like a guide in transitioning us into a new phase instead of selecting our best team on singles ranking and doubling up players who evidently don't look comfortable playing together to prolong his employment for the longest possible period.

Anyway that's just my opinion mate, my team for Thailand would look like this,

Hewitt-Gooch singles,
Hanley-Kerr doubles,
Luczak as backup singles and doubles.
Klein hitting partner and dead rubber singles player.

Hardly understimating anybody that team would be, more like broadening your talent pool and looking at what players of the future can offer. I don't care if Alun Jones has earnt his way there, fact is he doesn't bely the talent of a top 50 player and never will so well done to him but it's about time our powers that be use some discretionary opinion on a players future and talent prospects rather than have this silly bullish mindset of, well a player has earnt this they have to play.

Timbo
03-05-2008, 01:50 PM
I think most of the time the team is picked largely by Lleyton to be honest. It usually depends on whether he wants to play singles and doubles...more often than not, he does. So it's a case of Fitz picking a doubles player that Lleyton enjoys playing with..ie Paul Hanley. Considering they have a pretty good record together I don't see why that should change...Lleyton's fit enough to do it. It's more important that we have a reliable 2nd singles player to take some of the pressure off Hewitt. Gooch needs to step up and make that spot his.

aussie_fan
03-05-2008, 10:58 PM
It's only a 4 man team, i think you have to pick your best team available. I don't think you can underestimate anyone in davis cup, anything can happen. Playing 2 doubles specialists is too risky, only if they played regularly throughout the year and are one of the best doubles combination around, the bryans are the ones who get away with it. Doubles is a crucial match of the tie but there are still 4 other singles matches to be played.

Just look at Fed Cup, we played Jess Moore who had come off a great summer winning a round of the australian open and looking like one of our better junior prospects. Alicia Molik gets injuried in the first round and then jess is forced into the spotlight and loses to some indonesian girl ranked in the 300-400's. You just can't risk, let them be hitting partners for the team and they'll come into the team when ready, when they earn their spot then they will be ready to win for our country.

Consigliere
03-05-2008, 11:37 PM
Playing two doubles specialists in a doubles match is too risky, what the hell is that, geez what a blinkered version of the game? two players in the top 25 against two players likely not in the top 200 (dont quote me on that). yes huge risks at stake. esp when probs up 2-0 or at least wait and see on that one then up 2 select the doubles players which you deem to be a risk, I don't.

Why is davis cup seemingly life and death when we select our team, and again you keep harping back to best players, there's a difference between best players and best ranked players. I don't consider Alun Jones better than Brydan Klein even right at the moment in time.

Consigliere
03-05-2008, 11:42 PM
I think most of the time the team is picked largely by Lleyton to be honest. It usually depends on whether he wants to play singles and doubles...more often than not, he does. So it's a case of Fitz picking a doubles player that Lleyton enjoys playing with..ie Paul Hanley. Considering they have a pretty good record together I don't see why that should change...Lleyton's fit enough to do it. It's more important that we have a reliable 2nd singles player to take some of the pressure off Hewitt. Gooch needs to step up and make that spot his.

Fair enough Lleyton has some pull but he hasn't contributed a whole lot to the DC cause in the last few years to warrant that sought of control imo. If the players are calling the shots then it's time to get in someone with a bit more clout. Sounds like Fitzy is a bit of a wet fish, time to rid ourselves of his staleness imo.

aussie_fan
03-06-2008, 12:08 AM
Playing two doubles specialists in a doubles match is too risky, what the hell is that, geez what a blinkered version of the game? two players in the top 25 against two players likely not in the top 200 (dont quote me on that). yes huge risks at stake. esp when probs up 2-0 or at least wait and see on that one then up 2 select the doubles players which you deem to be a risk, I don't.

Why is davis cup seemingly life and death when we select our team, and again you keep harping back to best players, there's a difference between best players and best ranked players. I don't consider Alun Jones better than Brydan Klein even right at the moment in time.

Yes, it's too risky, what will we do you if some gets really sick before the start but after the team has been annouced or gets injuried while they are having their warm-up training session. Jordan kerr and Paul Hanley don't play singles, it would be a tough ask for them to play a best out of 5 set match and win it, probably be good enough to beat the 2nd thailand player but you never know.

Alun had good results leading upto the davis cup tie in feb., the challenger results and winning a round at the aussie open, he was only there because pete was playing in south america. I would say we will have lleyton, chris, pete and paul for our tie in april. I agree, Alun is in crap form at the moment and there aren't really any aussies in that sort of ranking range in great form. I wouldn't say klein would still be a better option than alun, he lost in nz in the 2nd round of a $10k. Want to play him as our second singles rubber? I wouldn't think so.

Timbo
03-06-2008, 06:38 AM
Fair enough Lleyton has some pull but he hasn't contributed a whole lot to the DC cause in the last few years to warrant that sought of control imo. If the players are calling the shots then it's time to get in someone with a bit more clout. Sounds like Fitzy is a bit of a wet fish, time to rid ourselves of his staleness imo.

Sorry, can't let that one slip through. He lost a bad one to Vliegen last year and the doubles against Serbia, but has won everything else...and has played singles and doubles in the last three ties. He, and the team, have been let down by the 2nd singles players - Looch and Gooch - who didn't win a match between them last year.

Jordan's simply not good enough to be a regular Davis Cup player. Yes, he's in the top 30 doubles players, but we all know what that means - precisely diddly squat. Unless we have an established pair playing and challenging for Grand Slams it doesn't make any sense to pick a couple of journeyman doubles players.

I think people are underestimating the Thais as well. Udomchoke isn't great but he's beaten Gucci once this year already, and he dispatched Luczak 6-0 6-2 in 2006 on a hardcourt. Srichapan will be back too and we just don't know what he could do. And, if we're talking about established doubles pairs, those Ratiwhatever brothers are 7th in the doubles race this year...Hanley and Kerr are 24th.