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Do you think that Federer, Sharapova and Lindsay have a chance of...

lleytonfan!
02-09-2008, 11:37 AM
completing a career Slam at RG? I don't. I think Nadal and Henin will win yet again this year.

scarecrows
02-09-2008, 11:40 AM
sharapova moves on clay like an elephant
lindsay, zero chance
federer has more chances, Nadal permitting

Slasher
02-09-2008, 11:44 AM
WTA talk on this precious ATP forum?

BAN HIM!

BIGMARAT
02-09-2008, 12:18 PM
Lindsay is not even playing RG

Ivanatis
02-09-2008, 12:31 PM
Federer will probably win Roland Garros
as Sharapova is still very young she imo will win at least once in Paris as well
Davenport no

but Federer might have the best chances out of these 3

jonny84
02-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Lindsay won't - she hates clay and is missing the European clay season

Sharapova is a possible. Dont think she has actually won a WTA title on clay yet either

Federer - getting closer every year. Very possible

Kolya
02-09-2008, 01:43 PM
Federer has the best chance by far.

Tzar
02-09-2008, 02:02 PM
Best shot for federer, however i want him to have in his side of the draw, nalbandian, and davydenko and someother clay experts:)

BlueSwan
02-09-2008, 02:15 PM
Best shot for Sharapova. Still young, still improving. Probably played the tennis of her career at the Australian Open. Having said that, someone would have to take Henin out, because she's a monster on clay and the overwhelming favourite to win again this year.

Davenport has never been great on clay and she's getting old.

I'm a MASSIVE Federer fan, but I no longer think he's likely to win RG. If we look at the last 6-12 months of Federers career, it appears that he's starting to rely increasingly on his serve and shot making than on overall superior play from the baseline. Against great baseliners you no longer feel that Roger has the upper hand once the rally gets going. You did that previously against anyone but Nadal. On clay baseline stability is more important than on any other surface. I see quite a few players who could trouble Federer at Roland Garros, who wouldn't previously have gotten close to him. But of course, if JesusFed turns up, he beats everyone - even on clay.

gulzhan
02-09-2008, 03:13 PM
sharapova moves on clay like an elephant
lindsay, zero chance
federer has more chances, Nadal permitting

lindsay has no chances, agreed :)

fed is over his highest, so i think he has a slim one :p

and maria is not only young, but improving her game, so, among these three she is the one who is likely to win RG too

alessandro
02-09-2008, 03:16 PM
Henin will hold onto RG but I think a newbie will win it if Henin doesn't, I'm not at all confident Charapova and Lindsay can win RG.

Federer...... please win RG!

Federerhingis
02-09-2008, 03:20 PM
Lindsay's chances are slim to none, Sharapovas aren't any better unless, if Henin loses early and somehow Sharapova makes it to the final; her mentality and determination would will her to win the title should Henin not be in the final.

Federer's chances are pretty good actually especially if by a miracle Nadal happens to lose before or not make the final. Federer will be playing a lot on clay according to his planned spring schedule, he should be going into Roland match ready and with a lot of clay court matches behind him, so he'l have excellent chances of making the final at least. There aren't many great clay court players lately, Guga is no where near what he used to be, Ferrero is still a force but Federer has beaten him recently on clay, Ferrer is actually better on hard, but his grinding game would frustrate an off-form Roger. We'l see. ;)

Oh I totally forgot, Federer would almost have a heart attack should an in-form Nalbandian be in his draw again.

Bilbo
02-09-2008, 03:35 PM
Lindsay's chance is none. Sharapova's chance is slim to none and Federer's chance is average to slim.

Burrow
02-09-2008, 03:38 PM
Federer will probably win Roland Garros
as Sharapova is still very young she imo will win at least once in Paris as well
Davenport no

but Federer might have the best chances out of these 3

haha

Burrow
02-09-2008, 03:39 PM
Lindsay's chance is none. Sharapova's chance is slim to none and Federer's chance is average to slim.

Your chance of talking sense is none.

Federer will win the French Open.

Action Jackson
02-09-2008, 03:42 PM
Sharapova moves with the fluidity of a constipated elephant on ice skates when it comes to playing on clay.

Johnny Groove
02-09-2008, 03:53 PM
none of them will.

jcempire
02-09-2008, 04:22 PM
Lindsay is done.

Federer may or may not, who knows

Sharapova still too young, maybe

Gldngrl
02-09-2008, 06:04 PM
I'm a MASSIVE Federer fan, but I no longer think he's likely to win RG. If we look at the last 6-12 months of Federers career, it appears that he's starting to rely increasingly on his serve and shot making than on overall superior play from the baseline.

But if he wants to beat Nadal on clay should they meet again, he NEEDS to rely more on his serve and shot-making (if by shot-making you mean net play, etc.) other than baseline rallies, because he seems quite determined to duke it out with Rafa on the baseline in previous years, and it hasn't worked out for him?

LeChuck
02-09-2008, 06:12 PM
Obviously Lindsay has 0% chance for reasons that have already been stated.
I personally don't think that either Federer or Sharapova will be able to claim that elusive RG title during their careers.

Exodus
02-09-2008, 06:25 PM
federer definately has a chance this year as nadal is getting burned out so yeah he will win FO this year

Exodus
02-09-2008, 06:26 PM
the question should be if nadal ever is going to win a slam outside france

scarecrows
02-09-2008, 06:30 PM
Best shot for federer, however i want him to have in his side of the draw, nalbandian, and davydenko and someother clay experts:)

yes, like he did last year :)

Merton
02-09-2008, 06:33 PM
After dominating the WTA it is clear that Sharapova will ask for a wild card to enter the men's draw at RG.

scarecrows
02-09-2008, 06:35 PM
Sharapova moves with the fluidity of a constipated elephant on ice skates when it comes to playing on clay.

yeah, but people seem to forget that and after playing very good in AO she should necessarily be a contender for RG

last year she made semis and boy oh boy was she lucky there, cupcake draw and Schnyder made one of her memorable chokes

Corey Feldman
02-09-2008, 07:56 PM
Barring injuries no one other than Nadal and Henin are winning Rg this year again, and the next, and the next, and the next .... and so on

Federerhingis
02-09-2008, 08:01 PM
federer definately has a chance this year as nadal is getting burned out so yeah he will win FO this year What makes you feel so sure?

the question should be if nadal ever is going to win a slam outside france This is a better question I guess, but we will have to wait until after Wimbledon to revisit this one.

yes, like he did last year :) Exactly, besides neither Nalbandian nor Davydenko are claycourt specialists, where do people get this? :tape:

Federerhingis
02-09-2008, 08:03 PM
After dominating the WTA it is clear that Sharapova will ask for a wild card to enter the men's draw at RG.

Since when has Maria been dominating the WTA tour. The only close to near dominance on the wtatour has been Henin, and even she does not have a thorough command of things on the WTA tour.

CyBorg
02-09-2008, 08:06 PM
Roger won't win it. Sharapova might surprise people. She made the semi last year and played poorly. Her movement is surprisingly good this year; maybe even good enough to win RG. She'd need some luck though - like someone taking Henin out early.

StevoTG
02-09-2008, 08:51 PM
Feds best so far - Final 06, 07
Marias best so far - SF 07
Lindsays best so far - SF 98

Fed and Sharapova are in with a good shout, I'd quicker put money on Fed but definately would'nt write Maria off this year although neither will be favourites going in (although I'll be keeping an eye on Rafa's fitness).

It's been 10 years since Lindsays best RG (QF in 05 though) and it's tough to know how much she will be putting into the clay swing on her second run, I suspect she's focusing on enjoying her tennis, keeping fit, and winning matches on HC and grass - not to mention the list of names you would put ahead of her on clay anyway (and with her ranking she would probably have a tough slog). And has already been mentioned she may not play RG.

Federerhingis
02-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Roger won't win it. Sharapova might surprise people. She made the semi last year and played poorly. Her movement is surprisingly good this year; maybe even good enough to win RG. She'd need some luck though - like someone taking Henin out early.

Technically she does have a shot, but Jankovic, Ivanovic and even the Williams play better on clay. However, if she faces Henin at Roland she's got no chances, maybe of extending a set to 4-6 or 5-7 tops.

CyBorg
02-09-2008, 09:32 PM
Technically she does have a shot, but Jankovic, Ivanovic and even the Williams play better on clay. However, if she faces Henin at Roland she's got no chances, maybe of extending a set to 4-6 or 5-7 tops.

You have to understand that I am projecting Maria's chances and not basing my opinion of her on her history alone.

Historically Maria is anywhere from piss poor to passable on clay. But there are many factors to consider. The biggest one is her growth spurt - she probably had her final great spurt last year and it did a number on her game. She grew and struggled to move. Her serve was a mess. Her footwork was awful.

But I think that getting bigger will pay off for her, especially if she works on her lower body and it seems clear to me that she has put in the work this winter in that regard. Her balance is much better; her feet are much better.

So it remains to be seen what Maria still can do on clay. I think that she can be good, because she is a hungry player with the propensity to win long rallies because she's stronger and more determined than her opponents. We saw this at the Aussie.

The big factor is the sliding. It's one thing to move well on a hardcourt, but clay offers new challenges and we won't know until the clay court season. I think she'll surprise some people.

Roger is a similar case, because you're judging him on his history. You think that because he's made two finals at RG that he has the better shot. Very faulty logic, because I can turn this around and say that Roger has had his chances and now has nowhere to go but down. I wouldn't say that Roger is depreciating as much as some of the drama queens on MTF imply, but it is reasonable to think that he's past his peak. Roger played excellent clay court tennis in 2006 - his best, most definitely - but was significantly less consistent in 2007. I'm not convinced he can get back to the 2006 level, let alone better than that. He is getting older, relying more on his serve, become less and less comfortable with longer rallies (as was Sampras when he was getting older).

The odds just aren't in Roger's favour, but there's a small window of opportunity and it would have to involve an easy draw and an injury to Nadal. Possible but not likely.

platinum
02-09-2008, 10:24 PM
completing a career Slam at RG? I don't. I think Nadal and Henin will win yet again this year.

No.



None of those 3(Federer, Sharapova and Lindsay ) will complete a career slam.

goldenlox
02-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Sharapova is 20, she's going to take another 6 or so shots at it.
Davenport has zero chance.
Federer has about the same puncher's chance that Maria has.

UncleZeke
02-10-2008, 12:32 AM
Sharapova will win RG before she retires, and I think Federer will also

DhammaTiger
02-10-2008, 12:58 AM
As long as Rafa is fit determined no one can beat him in RG. The same is true on the women's side Henin will dominate. Sharapova and Davenport have as much chance as I have. Roger will win RG if Rafa isn't there. Does anyone remember Courrier's interview with Rafa, while talking about playing as Roger? Rafa got into a muddle in English, then Courrier asked him something to the effect that Federer winning RG, and Rafa smiled as if to say over my dead body.
Anyway, everything and anything can happen in tennis so I might be wrong. Vamos Rafa!

Fedex
02-10-2008, 02:24 AM
Federer easily has the best chance of these three players.

RogerFan82
02-10-2008, 04:55 AM
Federer will definitely win one. Masha maybe will win 1 in a few years. Lindsay NEVER!!!

World Beater
02-10-2008, 06:06 AM
Federer for sure has the game but he plays like a sissy on the big pts.

sharapova doesn't have the game but at least she plays like a man on the big pts.

dan_the_man1983
02-10-2008, 10:50 PM
Roger has the best shot of all three of course.

Both Sharapova and Davenport are rubbish on Clay.

But i agree with a post earlier which said Nadal and Henin are gonna win RG again this year.

Federerhingis
02-11-2008, 10:36 PM
So it remains to be seen what Maria still can do on clay. I think that she can be good, because she is a hungry player with the propensity to win long rallies because she's stronger and more determined than her opponents. We saw this at the Aussie.

The big factor is the sliding. It's one thing to move well on a hardcourt, but clay offers new challenges and we won't know until the clay court season. I think she'll surprise some people.

Roger is a similar case, because you're judging him on his history. You think that because he's made two finals at RG that he has the better shot. Very faulty logic, because I can turn this around and say that Roger has had his chances and now has nowhere to go but down. I wouldn't say that Roger is depreciating as much as some of the drama queens on MTF imply, but it is reasonable to think that he's past his peak. Roger played excellent clay court tennis in 2006 - his best, most definitely - but was significantly less consistent in 2007. I'm not convinced he can get back to the 2006 level, let alone better than that. He is getting older, relying more on his serve, become less and less comfortable with longer rallies (as was Sampras when he was getting older).

The odds just aren't in Roger's favour, but there's a small window of opportunity and it would have to involve an easy draw and an injury to Nadal. Possible but not likely.

I agree with most of your post, however I still don't see Sharapova as having great chances of winning Roland Garros 2008, unless the biggest upsets occur and Henin finds a way of not making the final. There are a lot more comfortable and better players on clay around for Maria to be considered one of the favorites. Her game is not really that condusive for clay. She hits pretty flat and her groundies aren't as effective nor as a good a strategy on clay. She's not even that patient of a player, her game is based on finishing points in 2-4 shots, that's not a strategy that will win you big matches on clay.

Now I never said, nor have I based my opionion of Federer's chances at Roland solely on his past results. Firstly, there aren't that many great clay court players around that have that much greater of an advantage on clay over Federer. Secondly, he grew up playing on clay, so it's not unfamiliar territory for Federer playing on the dusty surface. Unlike Sharapova, Federer grew up playing on the slow surface, hence why he's a pretty fluid mover on clay and why he's comfortable on it and why he has had good success on the surface.

The only player with a clear edge over Roger on clay at the moment is Rafael, and he's got that edge over pretty much the entire ATP. Other players that would have an edge over Roger on clay would be David Nalbandian and perhaps Canas, their games are much more suited to clay than Rogers, plus they both have favorable head to heads over Roger; and both can play the kind of game that bother Roger's. Especially Nalbandian.

On the other hand you can't say this is the case for Sharapova, Kuznetsova is clearly a better player on clay than Sharapova and a far superior athlete on clay than Maria. Likewise an in form Svetlana would have Sharapova for lunch on clay, Petrova and a counless of other players are far more comfortable on clay than Maria and if they are playing with good form, they would have the edge over Maria on clay. It's not only Henin Sharapova would have to fear on clay, it's the many players she would have to get by before getting to Henin at Roland that she has to contend with.

JediFed
02-11-2008, 11:17 PM
I don't know. The last time he lost to someone who didn't go on to win the whole thing in a GS it was Kuerton at RG in 2004. Roger's got a serious chance to win it this year, it all depends on Nadal. Nalbandian has beat him previously but never on clay, he's 0-1, losing to him in 2006. Yes, Nalbandian matches up well to Federer, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to work on clay.

Federer is 2-1 against Nalbandian on clay, his only loss was in 2002 in Monte Carlo. All his other losses have been on Hard/Carpet.

Federerhingis
02-12-2008, 12:29 AM
I don't know. The last time he lost to someone who didn't go on to win the whole thing in a GS it was Kuerton at RG in 2004. Roger's got a serious chance to win it this year, it all depends on Nadal. Nalbandian has beat him previously but never on clay, he's 0-1, losing to him in 2006. Yes, Nalbandian matches up well to Federer, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to work on clay.

Federer is 2-1 against Nalbandian on clay, his only loss was in 2002 in Monte Carlo. All his other losses have been on Hard/Carpet.

I know, while Nalbandian actually had control during their encounters on clay in both Rome and Roland in 2006, David's game is still at it's best on hard courts and it's where he's more comfortable and most effective. The match up is not as much a factor on clay because Nalbi likes to take the ball really early and this it what mainly troubles Roger, David likes taking time away from Roger, but on clay it's a lot harder to do.

Sunset of Age
02-12-2008, 12:44 AM
In all honesty, I can't see either of those players having ANY chance (unless all their Main Contenders spontaneously combust or something... :p)).

Lindsay? Come on. She might still win a few tournaments, and that's already a great achievement at her age. But that's about it. No GS material anymore.

Shriekapova admitted by herself that she feels like moving like a COW on clay. But who knows... lucky draw, Henin MIA... can't see it happening.

Feds? Folds like a pansy as soon as he sees Rafa on the other side of the net. If he even manages to make it to another final, and with him getting older with each passing year/chance... I'd say he had his best shot in 2006, when he truly was a force to reckon with on clay. Of course we still have to await and see how his clay-form will be this year, but considering he wasn't at all very consistent on the surface last year (despite Hamburg, which might well have been a fluke win - no offense to Roger fans btw, as I'm one myself ;)), I'm not counting on it too much.

platinum
02-12-2008, 12:51 AM
I already said none of the 3 will but if one of them has a slim chance it's Sharapova coz she is young and has time on her side to improve on clay enough to win the FO....

Young Boss
02-12-2008, 12:52 AM
Federer- always a favorite at any tourney
Sharapova- has a chance
Davenport- Get outta here, hell nooo!!!

Federerhingis
02-12-2008, 12:54 AM
Of course we still have to await and see how his clay-form will be this year, but considering he wasn't at all very consistent on the surface last year (despite Hamburg, which might well have been a fluke win - no offense to Roger fans btw, as I'm one myself ;)), I'm not counting on it too much.

I totally agree with your entire post. Nevertheless, on Lindsay's chances at the slams if she improves her footwork and her fitness level to what it was in lets say 2005, I would say she is a top 4 contender at wimbledon. Her groundies will always be lethal at the all england club. Only the far better athletes had the edge over her on grass the past few years before she retired for a year. She should have won Wimbledon in 2005. Didn't she have a match point or two?

Back to the main topic on Federer I too don't give much into Feds win at Hamburg last year, Nadal was beyond exhaustion, Hamburg just suits Federers game for some reason, it's funny Hamburg is actually slower than Roland, and for some reason Federer prefers the extra time he gets from the clay at Hamburg and that's why he's had the succes over in Germany. I think there's a thing with winning in German Speaking tournies, he won in vienna, he's won at Halle a couple of times and he has owned Hamburg since 2004. I guess grass and the clay at Hamburg just suit his game so that's the catch. :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-12-2008, 01:46 AM
I totally agree with your entire post. Nevertheless, on Lindsay's chances at the slams if she improves her footwork and her fitness level to what it was in lets say 2005, I would say she is a top 4 contender at wimbledon. Her groundies will always be lethal at the all england club. Only the far better athletes had the edge over her on grass the past few years before she retired for a year. She should have won Wimbledon in 2005. Didn't she have a match point or two?

As far as I remember correctly... yes. But my memory might well be failing me here. :shrug:

I'd love to see Lindsay do well at a GS again - hell, any of them! :D
But Realism forces me not to expect too much from her. She's doing GREAT already, coming back as a mommy, at her age - I bow! :worship:
Would be more-than-incredible if she'd be able to get to the semi's at Wimbly, even anything past the 3rd round, I'd say. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that to happen!

Back to the main topic on Federer I too don't give much into Feds win at Hamburg last year, Nadal was beyond exhaustion, Hamburg just suits Federers game for some reason, it's funny Hamburg is actually slower than Roland, and for some reason Federer prefers the extra time he gets from the clay at Hamburg and that's why he's had the succes over in Germany. I think there's a thing with winning in German Speaking tournies, he won in vienna, he's won at Halle a couple of times and he has owned Hamburg since 2004. I guess grass and the clay at Hamburg just suit his game so that's the catch. :lol:

Yeah... I noticed him generally doing well in German speaking countries as well, whatever the surface. Now I generally don't believe in that kind of circumstancial influences, but apparently it IS an important factor for Roger.
Wonder how he'll do in Estoril this year, if he indeed turns up over there!