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Best Defender Ever ?

dragons112
02-03-2008, 10:48 PM
Who do you guys think is or has been the best defender of the court? The guy who can get the extra ball back?

Rafa, Hewitt, nalbandian, Aggasi, federer?

Im open to suggestions:)

Branimir
02-03-2008, 10:51 PM
Santoro? :)

DhammaTiger
02-03-2008, 10:51 PM
Rafa

Voo de Mar
02-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Nadal in 2005.

LeChuck
02-03-2008, 11:08 PM
Franco Baresi

Adler
02-03-2008, 11:11 PM
Chang is worth mentioning here, even though he will not be picked by most people here

Nadal is and was great at it thanx to this spin

Hewitt could always piss you off with these crosscourt countershots

Federer has a great court coverage, but his game is not so defensive

Agassi was playing quite close to the baseline so he couldn't run down every ball

Nalbandian is a sad story

Grosjean was good in his prime, but not very good when you want to determine the best one

dunno, it's always hard to choose, because the court speed and racket technology was different

Allure
02-03-2008, 11:13 PM
Ferrer.

Lleyton_
02-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Nadal

dragons112
02-03-2008, 11:28 PM
Chang is worth mentioning here, even though he will not be picked by most people here

Nadal is and was great at it thanx to this spin

Hewitt could always piss you off with these crosscourt countershots

Federer has a great court coverage, but his game is not so defensive

Agassi was playing quite close to the baseline so he couldn't run down every ball

Nalbandian is a sad story

Grosjean was good in his prime, but not very good when you want to determine the best one

dunno, it's always hard to choose, because the court speed and racket technology was different

When i listed those names i did not only mean them lol they are just players that came to mind. Good response though

stebs
02-03-2008, 11:38 PM
Very possibly Michael Chang.

Hard to believe Borg hadn't been mentioned before this post as well.

Byrd
02-03-2008, 11:48 PM
Chang or Nadal on slower surfaces, Federer and his slice on quicker surfaces.

tripb19
02-03-2008, 11:49 PM
Nadal won his slams on clay as an attacking player first and an amazing defender 2nd, Hewitt won his slams as an incredibly defender first, and really revolutionized the art of retrieving/counterpunching, I think whilst he may not be the best defender ever, he certainly is the best of recent times.

Byrd
02-03-2008, 11:52 PM
Borg comes to mind as well.

Kolya
02-03-2008, 11:55 PM
Mats Wilander.

didadida
02-04-2008, 12:00 AM
Rafa....

KaxMisha
02-04-2008, 12:26 AM
Who do you guys think is or has been the best defender of the court? The guy who can get the extra ball back?

Rafa, Hewitt, nalbandian, Aggasi, federer?

Im open to suggestions:)

Borg and Wilander in terms of success.

Kolya
02-04-2008, 12:30 AM
Borg and Wilander in terms of success.

Agreed.

sawan66278
02-04-2008, 12:31 AM
Hands down: Mr. Nadal.

Burrow
02-04-2008, 12:37 AM
Bjorn Borg

KaxMisha
02-04-2008, 12:43 AM
Hands down: Mr. Nadal.

So you're saying Nadal has done better relative to his peers than Borg and Wilander? :confused::retard:

Okonsky
02-04-2008, 01:10 AM
Borg and Wilander in terms of success.

Yep! Borg and the most boring player ever born.

Corey Feldman
02-04-2008, 01:46 AM
Franco Baresi:lol: nah Maldini


tennis wise - Nadal, the amount of times i've wanted to throw something at the tv when you think he's out the point and stretch lunges at a ball to get it back combined with his speed - and 10 seconds later he's won the point, especially at Roland Garros obviously.

Corey Feldman
02-04-2008, 01:49 AM
So you're saying Nadal has done better relative to his peers than Borg and Wilander? :confused::retard:he meant about talent/scrambling not acchievments

:retard: Nadal would kicked both their arses to Timbuktu

Action Jackson
02-04-2008, 01:54 AM
Borg

Then there is Franz Beckenbauer.

Corey Feldman
02-04-2008, 01:56 AM
Alan Hansen :lol:

KaxMisha
02-04-2008, 02:03 AM
he meant about talent/scrambling not acchievments

:retard: Nadal would kicked both their arses to Timbuktu

Nadal would beat both of them easily if they were transported to today from when they played, because they belong to another generation of players. Comparisons like that are pointless. The relevant comparison is what they could do relative to their peers. Borg and Wilander both were more successful against their peers than Nadal and were both defenders. Thus... Yeah, you get it.

Winnipeg
02-04-2008, 02:10 AM
bye ... duh:):):)

Kolya
02-04-2008, 02:56 AM
Jaap Stam.

Allure
02-04-2008, 03:12 AM
The best defenders are Djoko fans. ''He is not arrogant. Fedtards are scared.'' ''People will do anything to pick on Novak's family. I see nothing wrong with their behavior. They just love their son!!!!111111!!!!!''

ChinoRios4Ever
02-04-2008, 04:35 AM
Franz Beckenbauer
Elias Figueroa :worship:

Alonsofz
02-04-2008, 04:37 AM
Ignacio González King :worship:

JimmyV
02-04-2008, 04:42 AM
Roddick, that backhand slice :worship::worship::worship:

Rommella
02-04-2008, 07:48 AM
Nadal -- ball's three feet behind him and he hits a winner, he's down on his arse and he hits a winner, etc., and that's against a field that is arguably the fastest and most athletic ever.

VolandriFan
02-04-2008, 08:31 AM
Coria deserves at least a mention.

helgagonzalez
02-04-2008, 08:34 AM
Nadal

GuiroNl
02-04-2008, 08:54 AM
Nadal (especially the Nadal of 2005)

Action Jackson
02-04-2008, 08:58 AM
Hahahaa.

juvvi
02-04-2008, 09:04 AM
Gasquet

JediFed
02-04-2008, 09:06 AM
Bjorn. :cool:

Allure
02-04-2008, 09:13 AM
Gasquet

:haha:

zcess81
02-04-2008, 09:28 AM
Roddick, that backhand slice :worship::worship::worship:

:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Nathaliia
02-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Paolo Maldini

theDreamer
02-04-2008, 09:40 AM
Nadal would beat both of them easily if they were transported to today from when they played, because they belong to another generation of players. Comparisons like that are pointless. The relevant comparison is what they could do relative to their peers. Borg and Wilander both were more successful against their peers than Nadal and were both defenders. Thus... Yeah, you get it.

Could I also argue that comparing their achievements is a bit pointless as
(IMO) the game has changed - more power so more players can just blast defenders off
the court, and even more athletiscm is required to be a defender of (say) Nadal's level, meaning
more injury risk and therefore less consistency over a career (so less opportunity to achieve)?

(Just putting it out there:angel:)

bokehlicious
02-04-2008, 09:42 AM
Claudio Gentile :cool: :o

Action Jackson
02-04-2008, 09:49 AM
Gentile's studs are permanently marked into Maradona's ankles.

tennisvideos
02-04-2008, 09:54 AM
Nadal is the great defender of the current era. But my all time award would have to go to the legendary Ken Rosewall :worship:

8 Grand Slam singles titles between the early 50s and to the early 70s AND that included not being able to play them between 1957-1968. And during those pro years he, along with Gonzales and Laver proved the dominant forces.

Sure, he could serve & volley too, but if you saw him play against Laver and Gonzales you would realise that Rosewall had incredible defensive skills - he had one of the greatest sliced backhands in history and an incredible lob. And he was one of the fastest players to ever scamper around the court chasing down the big boys shots. My all time favourite male tennis player :worship:

Bilbo
02-04-2008, 10:03 AM
T. Muster

LeChuck
02-04-2008, 10:43 AM
:lol: nah Maldini



Nah it's clearly Titus Bramble :)

Corey Feldman
02-04-2008, 12:56 PM
Valderrama !!

CyBorg
02-04-2008, 02:54 PM
Gonzales, Borg, Laver. In no particular order.

Borg had the best footwork of any player I've ever seen.

Iván
02-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Nadal is the best

Modern era

Dzordzzz!
02-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Who do you guys think is or has been the best defender of the court? The guy who can get the extra ball back?

Rafa, Hewitt, nalbandian, Aggasi, federer?

Im open to suggestions:)


Rafa on clay...

Dzordzzz!
02-04-2008, 03:28 PM
Claudio Gentile :cool: :o

Nesta!:)

KaxMisha
02-06-2008, 02:03 AM
Could I also argue that comparing their achievements is a bit pointless as
(IMO) the game has changed - more power so more players can just blast defenders off
the court, and even more athletiscm is required to be a defender of (say) Nadal's level, meaning
more injury risk and therefore less consistency over a career (so less opportunity to achieve)?

(Just putting it out there:angel:)

True, and I don't disagree with any of that. What I wrote was "in terms of achievment, Borg and Wilander" or something like that. The fact that it might be harder for defenders to achieve nowadays does not change this. ;)

ChinoRios4Ever
02-06-2008, 02:37 AM
Valderrama !!

:confused:

Dimonator133
02-06-2008, 03:55 AM
Who do you guys think is or has been the best defender of the court? The guy who can get the extra ball back?

Rafa, Hewitt, nalbandian, Aggasi, federer?

Im open to suggestions:)

Nalbandian:haha:

definitely Rafa

Dimonator133
02-06-2008, 03:57 AM
Dick Norman probably:worship:

World Beater
02-06-2008, 05:02 AM
while tennis rackets have increased the amount of spin and the area of the sweet spot, the game has also significantly sped up and the game requires an incredible amount of strength and athleticism to play defensively.

sure borg et al were great, and they may have had more stamina and physical endurance but i still have to rate the defense of nadal on clay and federer's defense on faster surfaces as more effective. Not necessarily because nadal and federer are faster but what they do with the ball when they get there.

azza
02-06-2008, 05:17 AM
Santoro

Merton
02-06-2008, 05:37 AM
Borg and it is not close.

theDreamer
02-06-2008, 11:40 AM
True, and I don't disagree with any of that. What I wrote was "in terms of achievment, Borg and Wilander" or something like that. The fact that it might be harder for defenders to achieve nowadays does not change this. ;)

You're right of course. Well put.:)

Corey Feldman
02-06-2008, 11:51 AM
Jaap Stam !!

Fed Express
02-06-2008, 12:48 PM
Jaap Stam !!
:worship:

:haha:

Tommy fan
02-06-2008, 01:11 PM
Chang

Julio
02-06-2008, 01:18 PM
Coria of 03', without a doubt.

bokehlicious
02-06-2008, 01:21 PM
Franck Leboeuf :tape: :D

Kolya
02-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Miguel from Valencia CF.

AntiDoping
02-06-2008, 04:11 PM
Guillermo Vilas, Mats Wilander, Michael Chang.

NyGeL
02-06-2008, 04:22 PM
Best ever: Borg, no doubt.

Best from this Era: Rafa.

Amnesia
02-06-2008, 06:30 PM
Modern Era:
Rafa
Hewitt
Coria
Santoro
Cañas
Nole

dan_the_man1983
02-06-2008, 07:51 PM
Between Borg and Nadal.

silverarrows
02-06-2008, 09:30 PM
Fed on fast surfaces.

GrosjeantheGreat
02-07-2008, 04:15 AM
Lindsey Davenport.

Federerhingis
02-07-2008, 07:23 AM
Coria of 03', without a doubt.

His game was the prettiest defensive game for sure. He made it look so easy, he has such great touch and soft hands. He always seemed so fragile, but his speed was amazing, he truly glided over the court. His intuition for the lob, those dink angles with his backhand, he always reminded me so much of Hingis. :worship:

serve_it_up
02-07-2008, 09:14 AM
i was watching the aus open and jim courier was saying at the moment the top players are definatelly both the best offensive AND defensive players..

so ofcourse he said Fed, Nadal, Djokovic.. and then he said Tsonga could be in there potentially because he makes the court appear so much smaller and makes the players really hit close 2 the lines if they want to go through him..

i think he did show that at the AO but him doing that consistently..:S...doubt it.

Foxy
02-07-2008, 10:03 AM
Ivo Karlovic.


Seriously, Coria when at his best.

didadida
02-07-2008, 11:10 AM
Borg
Rafa in modern era

Sean.J.S.
02-07-2008, 11:39 AM
Rapha

LeChuck
02-07-2008, 11:41 AM
Paolo Montero

Tepasaf
02-07-2008, 12:01 PM
Federer
Kafelnikov
Agassi
Djokovic
Safin
Haas
Schalken

afrOmig
02-07-2008, 12:47 PM
yes i agree!! santoros amazing for his age!! and soo quick his such a magician

Foxy
02-07-2008, 03:11 PM
Federer
Kafelnikov
Agassi
Djokovic
Safin
Haas
Schalken


:cuckoo:

AnitaOlea
02-07-2008, 07:38 PM
from what I've seen (not borg and stuff..I wasn't even born when he played...:p) I'd say Nadal and Hewitt

Corey Feldman
02-07-2008, 07:40 PM
Basil Boli !!

ChinoRios4Ever
02-07-2008, 07:53 PM
Basil Boli !!

Julien Escude :p

stebs
02-08-2008, 12:04 AM
The best defenders in the modern game are Nadal, Canas and, in a different way, Federer. Roger is the best at defending on the baseline (Nadal's stroke production isn't quick enough). Nadal is the best at getting depth off his defensive shots. Canas is the best at just running all things down.

Johnny Groove
02-08-2008, 01:58 AM
Depends on what you mean by defending.

If you are talking about getting everything back until the opposition misses, Canas or Hewitt probably

If you are talking about getting everything back with spin and depth forcing the opposition into hitting a less than powerful shot that is attackable, or simply hitting passing shots and crazy shit from a mile behind the baseline, especially on clay, Nadal is your man.

MisterQ
02-08-2008, 02:23 AM
I would definitely NOT put Agassi on this list. He dictated play as well as anyone, but he was in trouble when forced to play truly defensively.

Nadal tops the list. He tracks down balls and hits quality shots off balls that I would have considered unreachable before he came on the scene.

Federer is a very close second. Amazing court coverage.

Hewitt is also pretty remarkable, but he can do less with the ball when he gets there than Fed and Nadal, at least lately.

Gldngrl
02-08-2008, 06:17 AM
Federer's game is not ordinarily defensive, but lately I've seen him shift to a higher gear of defense more often in opposition. Hewitt and Nadal are the stingiest when it comes to giving up points imo. Rafa, by far is the best executor of always making his opponent hit one more shot. His defensive lob is splendid.

Kolya
02-08-2008, 06:30 AM
Federer
Kafelnikov
Agassi
Djokovic
Safin
Haas
Schalken

:lol:

You're crazy or not funny.

Corey Feldman
02-08-2008, 11:49 AM
Alessandro Costacurta !!

Turbosupermario
02-08-2008, 12:42 PM
1.Coria
2.Jelena janković
3.Nadal
4.Hewitt

stebs
02-09-2008, 06:29 PM
If you are talking about getting everything back until the opposition misses, Canas or Hewitt probably

Canas gets a lot more balls back than Hewitt.