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No ESPN coverage for Indian Wells and Miami (no Shanghai either, post #52)

Fee
02-02-2008, 11:52 PM
According to a headline at www.tennisreporters.net (I don't subscribe so I can't read the full article) and a comment on the tennisweek forums, ESPN will not cover Indian Wells and Miami this year. Indian Wells will be covered by Fox Sports but that is not a national network, so the coverage will be all over the place. Hopefully its not too late for the Tennis Channel to get on board somehow, this is really going to suck for US tennis fans.

Allure
02-02-2008, 11:54 PM
That sucks. I have to subscribe to the ATPmastersseries livestream now. :mad:

mangoes
02-03-2008, 12:39 AM
That's terrible news.......... Hopefully, someone can post the article so we can know what is ESPN's reason for doing this:(

JimmyV
02-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Wow this really fucking sucks.

Kalliopeia
02-03-2008, 01:11 AM
That's terrible news.......... Hopefully, someone can post the article so we can know what is ESPN's reason for doing this:(

There's probably a darts tournament they need to broadcast.

This is what we get for feeling relatively warm and fuzzy about their Australian Open coverage.

savesthedizzle
02-03-2008, 01:12 AM
*runs to check to see if I get Fox Sports* :sad:

Marek.
02-03-2008, 01:30 AM
This is why I didn't send ESPN a thank you email for the extended coverage of AO matches. :p :mad:

JimmyV
02-03-2008, 01:34 AM
Hell yea now I can watch more of the DENNY'S PROFESSIONAL BOWLING TOUR

FUCK YEA

Deboogle!.
02-03-2008, 01:41 AM
It's more of a blurb than an article.....

It's official: ESPN dumped both Indian Wells (the Pacific Life Open) and Miami (the Sony Ericsson Open). The Pac Life will be shown by local Fox Sportsnet affiliates and the same goes for the SE until the finals when CBS comes in. As a Fox tennis columnist, I'm somewhat pleased, but Fox isn't sending their own crew, so it will be a collection of analysts picked by TWI, IMG's broadcasting arm. Justin Gimelstob is said to be in the mix. Hopefully, numerous Fox affiliates will pick up the action but how many is yet to be determined.

Deboogle!.
02-03-2008, 01:45 AM
That little blurb doesn't even mention that TTC will pick up anything they haven't shown in years' past (aka the first couple days before ESPN ever started coverage). if Fox picked up ESPN's rights, TTC won't increase their coverage. We'll have to wait and see about that I guess :shrug:

Scotso
02-03-2008, 01:50 AM
Fox Sports?! Lord.

sawan66278
02-03-2008, 01:50 AM
ESPN...the ultimate tease.:mad:

LaTenista
02-03-2008, 01:54 AM
I predict by 2010 the only tennis ESPN will be showing is Wimbledon. :o

~*BGT*~
02-03-2008, 01:55 AM
E.S.P.N. -- The Essentially Stupid Person's Network :rolleyes:

Allez-Alejo
02-03-2008, 02:10 AM
at least ESPN's tennis coverage is still better than their soccer coverage

savesthedizzle
02-03-2008, 02:12 AM
Now I DO get Fox Soccer Channel. :rolls: Which I have watched exactly twice :rolls:

Allez-Alejo
02-03-2008, 02:21 AM
FSC is the best...3 or 4 premiership games a week plus Serie A and FA Cup...there's an American network who knows how to please....the only thing ESPN does good is put on every Syracuse game

MisterQ
02-03-2008, 02:22 AM
Boo... :sad:

The tennis channel seems to be having an adverse effect on ESPN's coverage.

savesthedizzle
02-03-2008, 02:32 AM
FSC is the best...3 or 4 premiership games a week plus Serie A and FA Cup...there's an American network who knows how to please....the only thing ESPN does good is put on every Syracuse game

I've only watched FSC a few times when they're showing Spurs games. :tape:

Syracuse :rocker2: Harris and Flynn today :worship: :)

Deboogle!.
02-03-2008, 02:47 AM
Boo... :sad:

The tennis channel seems to be having an adverse effect on ESPN's coverage.But this has nothing to do with TTC that I've seen :confused: It seems to me like ESPN is dropping the coverage and it just happens now that TTC picks a lot of it up. But until I read that TTC is picking up IW and Miami, I will assume they haven't

Allez-Alejo
02-03-2008, 02:50 AM
Spurs really had some tough luck today...Berbatov is so good though.

Harris is starting to really assert himself...finally looks like the kind of player he was at Niagara Falls.

Fee
02-03-2008, 03:27 AM
But this has nothing to do with TTC that I've seen :confused: It seems to me like ESPN is dropping the coverage and it just happens now that TTC picks a lot of it up. But until I read that TTC is picking up IW and Miami, I will assume they haven't

It doesn't seem like TTC is picking it up, they don't seem to be rounding up their commentators for the assignment just yet.

mangoes
02-03-2008, 03:33 AM
It doesn't seem like TTC is picking it up, they don't seem to be rounding up their commentators for the assignment just yet.

If TTC picks it up, wouldn't they use the atpmasters series feed as they do for the other masters events aired on TTC. Then, there wouldn't be a need to round up commentators. But, I have a feeling TTC will not pick it up:(

I still find it curious that ESPN chooses to not carry these tournaments.......afterall, they are held in the US:shrug:

MisterQ
02-03-2008, 03:41 AM
That little blurb doesn't even mention that TTC will pick up anything they haven't shown in years' past

I interpreted this sentence as meaning that that TTC WILL pick it up... oops ;)

Fee
02-03-2008, 03:45 AM
They could use the ATP feed, and it would be cheaper, but all of their people live in the US so I would think that they would use them if they could.

I think we're stuck with Fox, and that is going to get ugly. They let their regional affiliates pick their own programming so it could be live on Fox Sports West and tape delayed on Fox Sports Atlantic. Fingers crossed for a good stream on Sopcast.

AndVand
02-03-2008, 03:55 AM
Does this mean TSN won't cover them either in Canada?

barbadosan
02-03-2008, 04:05 AM
Since there was no mention of change of coverage on ESPN Int'l, I hope/assume that means we'll get their normal coverage -- which is usually way more than ESPN2

Fedex
02-03-2008, 04:41 AM
This fucking blows.

NyGeL
02-03-2008, 05:39 AM
I can't belive this, ESPN is already announcing Miami and IW for Latin America.

*Viva Chile*
02-03-2008, 05:53 AM
I can't belive this, ESPN is already announcing Miami and IW for Latin America.

As you said... for Latin America. ESPN (that is shown on USA) and ESPN Latin America (and ESPN+) are different channels. Same thing happened last year with RG. Don't worry, IW and Miami will be shown here ;)

nobama
02-03-2008, 04:33 PM
I HATE ESPN. :mad: What are they going to show in its place? Bowling?

I'd love to see TTC pick it up because they're masters events. But other than the masters their tennis coverage usually blows too b/c they never seem to have $$ for anything. I guess thank god for the internet and the crumbs we can get from overseas.

Clara Bow
02-03-2008, 04:39 PM
Well- I was planning on getting Master's tv online anyway. I would recommend it for anyone who does not have television coverage. I have found that I have used it quite a bit the past two years.

Kitty de Sade
02-03-2008, 04:43 PM
A big f-you thank you, again, to ESPN for its ongoing committment and dedication, to completely killshot tennis coverage in the US. Absolutely unreal, and yet....I'm not even surprised anymore. :fiery:

Clara Bow
02-03-2008, 04:50 PM
A big f-you thank you, again, to ESPN for its ongoing committment and dedication, to completely killshot tennis coverage in the US. Absolutely unreal, and yet....I'm not even surprised anymore. :fiery:

I have ceased to be surprised as well. A shame after such strong job for them at the Aussie Open- but a leopard never changes its spots.

Deboogle!.
02-03-2008, 05:05 PM
It doesn't seem like TTC is picking it up, they don't seem to be rounding up their commentators for the assignment just yet.I think mangoes is right...

If TTC picks it up, wouldn't they use the atpmasters series feed as they do for the other masters events aired on TTC. Then, there wouldn't be a need to round up commentators. But, I have a feeling TTC will not pick it up:( Exactly...even when TTC has shown the first couple days of IW and Miami as they have at least the past 2 years, they have used the international ATP feed commentators, not their own. Big money-saver of course. But every moment of every Masters Series event they've shown on TTC in at least the past 3 years is using the ATP feed. Guess they figure there's really no need to undertake the expense of paying their own guys when the feed with commentary is already there for the taking. But again there's no evidence that TTC will be picking this up. But we really need more details.
I still find it curious that ESPN chooses to not carry these tournaments.......afterall, they are held in the US:shrug:Curious indeed. Are Canada and Cincy next? And what about the small ones like LA and DC that they show over the summer? Or are those safe b/c they're a part of the lucrative USO Series? We'll have to see I guess...

I interpreted this sentence as meaning that that TTC WILL pick it up... oops ;);) :lol:

I think we're stuck with Fox, and that is going to get ugly. They let their regional affiliates pick their own programming so it could be live on Fox Sports West and tape delayed on Fox Sports Atlantic. Fingers crossed for a good stream on Sopcast.No kidding, Fox will be a mess. Hell, Fox is a mess for the 2-3 days of San Jose.

It's all very unfortunate. And the weird irony is that ESPN's coverage of the AO was actually quite good. Remember a few years ago when more than half their "live" coverage was just the big stars on tape? This year, they actually showed almost exclusively live tennis when it was being played, they routinely stayed way over their coverage window, they showed every single night session live, and they showed a good variety of players and had a lot of different players in for interviews, etc. (their features on the Serbians were particularly excellent IMO).... It's like, thanks but why bother improving your coverage of one event so much if you are systematically ditching the sport?

Skyward
02-03-2008, 06:12 PM
How much is Master's tv online ?

Lee
02-04-2008, 05:22 PM
Does this mean TSN won't cover them either in Canada?

TSN has been buying feeds from other networks for the European Clay Masters that ESPN stopped coverage for a few years so if TSN really wants to, there should be coverage.

I think mangoes is right...

Exactly...even when TTC has shown the first couple days of IW and Miami as they have at least the past 2 years, they have used the international ATP feed commentators, not their own. Big money-saver of course. But every moment of every Masters Series event they've shown on TTC in at least the past 3 years is using the ATP feed. Guess they figure there's really no need to undertake the expense of paying their own guys when the feed with commentary is already there for the taking. But again there's no evidence that TTC will be picking this up. But we really need more details.
Curious indeed. Are Canada and Cincy next? And what about the small ones like LA and DC that they show over the summer? Or are those safe b/c they're a part of the lucrative USO Series? We'll have to see I guess...

;) :lol:

No kidding, Fox will be a mess. Hell, Fox is a mess for the 2-3 days of San Jose.

It's all very unfortunate. And the weird irony is that ESPN's coverage of the AO was actually quite good. Remember a few years ago when more than half their "live" coverage was just the big stars on tape? This year, they actually showed almost exclusively live tennis when it was being played, they routinely stayed way over their coverage window, they showed every single night session live, and they showed a good variety of players and had a lot of different players in for interviews, etc. (their features on the Serbians were particularly excellent IMO).... It's like, thanks but why bother improving your coverage of one event so much if you are systematically ditching the sport?

My guess is ESPN wants to focus it's resources on March Madness. Unfortunately, both masters fall in the same month. The summer hard court season is a different story since most popular professional sports are either in hiatus or not yet in full swing.

acionescu
02-04-2008, 06:05 PM
This is nothing! In Romania Sport Klub (boo!) has the right for all the Masters Series events and they chose to show Soccer, Motorsports and American Football instead! They only show tennis in the morning or late in the night and the finals are allways taped to make room to Germanian Soccer, 2nd Ligue!
ATP Masters Series TV! The best 55EUROS spent in my life!

Merton
02-05-2008, 01:24 AM
ESPN had a lot of hours for those events, I am curious to see what they will show instead. That will tell us something about the beliefs of ESPN with respect to the potential revenue of these masters series.

rob88hock
02-05-2008, 01:58 AM
Havent you guys realized that tennis isnt as popular or exciting as bowling/cheerleading/martial arts/ or sportscenter re-runs. ESPN has the right not to so tennis....NOT

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-05-2008, 02:46 AM
I have tried twice to get the tournaments thru atp tennis.com TV but have notbeen able to make it work..

Any ideas, suggestions, help or advice?????

Fitz
02-05-2008, 03:27 AM
This blows. I can't believe they are dropping the ball like this after all their praising of being the place for tennis coverage for the big tournaments.

NyGeL
02-05-2008, 02:37 PM
As you said... for Latin America. ESPN (that is shown on USA) and ESPN Latin America (and ESPN+) are different channels. Same thing happened last year with RG. Don't worry, IW and Miami will be shown here ;)

good, thanks!:wavey:

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-05-2008, 03:37 PM
As you said... for Latin America. ESPN (that is shown on USA) and ESPN Latin America (and ESPN+) are different channels. Same thing happened last year with RG. Don't worry, IW and Miami will be shown here ;)

I am in the USA EST. I donot understand the info given in the quote above. Can someone explain please. Does any of it help me where I live??

Margy
02-05-2008, 04:28 PM
I am in the USA EST. I donot understand the info given in the quote above. Can someone explain please. Does any of it help me where I live??

No, unfortunately if you live anywhere in the US this doesn't help you at all. You can get ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN Classic but not ESPN Latin America. ESPN apparently figures that it's more important to show the USA masters events to everyone in the world except those actually living in the USA. :confused:

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-05-2008, 04:51 PM
No, unfortunately if you live anywhere in the US this doesn't help you at all. You can get ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN Classic but not ESPN Latin America. ESPN apparently figures that it's more important to show the USA masters events to everyone in the world except those actually living in the USA. :confused:


Thank you for such a quick answer, though not the answer I wanted. LOL

It is hard to even begin to understand why they ignore the country that they are in as a business and that the 2 tournaments are from.

Thank you again.

RickDaStick
02-05-2008, 04:53 PM
For those thinking about getting atp masters series tv, you are better off waiting because they always run some sort of special before Miami so you could save quite a bit of money

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-05-2008, 04:56 PM
For those thinking about getting atp masters series tv, you are better off waiting because they always run some sort of special before Miami so you could save quite a bit of money

Who are they that will run some sort of special and what kind of special??

Fee
02-05-2008, 05:31 PM
www.atpmastersseries.tv but it doesn't look like they are accepting subscriptions right now.

RickDaStick
02-05-2008, 05:34 PM
This is the page where you can get it but like I said you are better off waiting http://www.atpmastersseries.tv/page/loginOrBuy/0,,11444,00.html?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atpmaster sseries.tv%2Fpage%2Fsub%2FAtpTV%2FLive%2FShanghai% 2F0%2C%2C11444%7E1165173%2C00.html%3F

KitinovRules
02-05-2008, 05:38 PM
I remember that last year 2007- ESPN Orbit did not produced any coverage from the same two tournaments.
So this is not unexpected.

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-05-2008, 10:52 PM
http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=530052

Federerhingis
02-05-2008, 11:00 PM
http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=530052

Thank you, for those living in Manhattan and have Time Warner Cable as their cable provider, it's channel 48. :lol:

Fee
02-05-2008, 11:40 PM
http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=530052

I'll change the thread title...

Here's the article you linked to:


Channel Change: FSN Gains Indian Wells, Miami and Shanghai Rights
By Richard Pagliaro
2/5/2008 10:11:00 PM

World No. 1 Roger Federer made early exit from Indian Wells and Miami last year and while Federer will be back bidding to regain both Masters Series crowns next month another major player will be noticeably absent from both Indian Wells and Miami — as well as the Tennis Masters Cup-Shanghai.

ESPN, which has televised Indian Wells, Miami and Tennis Masters Cup for several years, did not renew its rights for those tournaments this year.

Instead, Fox Sports Net will televise all three events. FSN, which was approached by the ATP as a broadcast partner for all three tournaments, has a one-year agreement to televise Indian Wells, Miami and Shanghai. Both the ATP and FSN will assess the partnership at the end of the year before deciding on a possible renewal. Tennis Week has contacted the ATP for confirmation and comment and will publish its position as soon as it's received.

"We're doing these two events and the Shanghai event," FSN Vice President of Programming David Sussin told Tennis Week. "These are three very important tournaments in the tennis calendar and we're really very excited to televise them. The ATP came to us and it fit in really well between our college basketball coverage so we're looking forward to it and we're both excited to try this and see how it works."

FSN has not yet decided on its commentary team for the three tournaments. FSN is planning on televising 34 hours of Indian Wells coverage (30 hours live and 4 hours on tape delay though the live coverage can vary depending upon which regional FSN network you receive), including the men's and women's finals on Sunday, March 23. FSN is scheduled to televise the women's final from 3-5 p.m. Eastern and the men's final from 5-7 p.m. Eastern on March 23.

The network change represents a distinct departure for all three tournaments, which were mainstays on ESPN or ESPN2 for years.

A year ago, the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami boasted more than 97 hours of domestic coverage — the most in tournament history — on ESPN2, Tennis Channel and CBS, which televised the men's and women's finals live from Key Biscayne's Crandon Park. While there was speculation Tennis Channel could make a late bid to share the rights as of now FSN will televise Indian Wells and Miami with CBS continuing to televise the Miami finals.

An ESPN spokesman told Tennis Week a few factors played a part in the network's decision to drop the two most important tournaments — apart from the U.S. Open, of course — on the American calendar.

* ESPN said it did negotiate with the ATP, but could not come to terms on an agreement to retain its rights.
* The network's coverage of March Madness, the NCAA college basketball tournament that grips many sports fans across the country, is its most successful property in March with ratings and advertising dwarfing those Indian Wells and Miami produce
* The fact that CBS televise the Miami final means ESPN had been televising much of the tournament without the traditional advertising and audience pay-off that comes with a highly-anticipated tournament final. For instance, when Andre Agassi, one of the top ratings winners for American networks in the Open Era, won three consecutive Miami crowns from 2001-2003, it was CBS rather than ESPN that reaped the ratings reward and advertiser dollars in those finals.
* ESPN is focusing on the three Grand Slam tournaments it owns or shares cable rights for — the Australian Open, Roland Garros and Wimbledon — as well as the U.S. Open Series.
* While network officials won't say so publicly, it is widely believed advertising for the three tournaments has been miniscule, compared to the ad rates generated by March Madness and the vast time difference between Shanghai and U.S. results in a smaller audience, making the decision to pull the plug relatively painless in the bottom line business of television.
* For years, ESPN execs have discussed their desire to grow the tennis audience and attract the casual tennis fan, however their decision to drop Indian Wells, Miami and Shanghai — combined with the fact they let their long-time Davis Cup rights deal lapse two years ago — could well signal a shift in the network's tennis philosophy: rather than trying to expand the tennis audience, ESPN now seems intent on televising tournaments which already come complete with a built-in audience: namely the Grand Slam tournaments as well as the U.S. Open Series. The concept seems to be capitalizing on the current audience rather than trying to create a new one.

"We're not doing either event and there were a number of factors [behind the decision]," an ESPN spokesman told Tennis Week. "We did negotiate with the ATP and we couldn't come to a mutual agreement and they decided to take their business elsewhere. If you look at our schedule in terms of number of hours we spend on tennis, we are focusing more and more on the Grand Slams and U.S. Open Series, those are the biggest event. Those cut through the clutter with the every day sports fan and are recognized."

What does the shift from ESPN to FSN mean to you, the viewer?

Depending on where you live it could mean more coverage hours, particularly for Indian Wells and Miami, though that is not guaranteed. Since FSN is comprised of regional networks each region has the option of televising more coverage if they choose, though they are not bound to do so, Sussin told Tennis Week.

"We're not a single-feed network," Sussin said. "We're an assemblage of a bunch of regions and a sort of advantage of that is with Indian Wells, for instance, Fox Sports West could decide to expand its local coverage of Indian Wells beyond the times we are distributing nationally."

The larger question is: what does ESPN's decision to divest itself of three of the most prominent Masters Series tournaments mean to the network and to the ATP? The ATP may well be aiming to further expand the content on its own ATP Masters Series TV where it can bypass networks and sell directly to fans and sponsors.

While ESPN reduces its Masters Series coverage, all signs point to the Grand Slam Network expanding its Grand Slam by eventually landing — likely in partnership with Tennis Channel — the most important tournament in American television: the U.S. Open. It's long been throught the ESPN/Tennis Channel partnership in televising the three other majors as well as their continued contract to televise the Olympus U.S. Open Series are the necessary steps toward succeeding USA Network as the cable rights holder for the Flushing Meadows major.

Last February, Tennis Channel and ESPN announced they had entered into a multi-year, multimedia programming and marketing alliance for Grand Slam coverage of Roland Garros and the Australian Open.

In a conference call with John Skipper, ESPN executive vice president of content, and Tennis Channel CEO Ken Solomon the day that deal was announced, Tennis Week asked about the prospect of the networks reprising their Australian Open-French Open partnership to make a run at acquiring U.S. Open cable rights when USA Network's existing contract with the USTA expires in 2008.

Interestingly, neither Skipper nor Solomon flatly denied interest in eventually bidding on rights to the season's final major though neither man confirmed interest either.

"We don't have any current rights with the U.S. Open," Skipper told Tennis Week then. "It is a spectacular event. It is an event we love, but those guys [the USTA] have existing agreements. I would prefer not to comment."

Asked for his thoughts on a possible pursuit of the Open, Solomon replied: "We will echo [Skipper's statement]. Forward prognostication never works well. We have committed our resources to two tremendous assets here to elevate the game."

However, in an extensive interview with Tennis Week prior to the February, 2007 announcement, Solomon, a New York native well aware of the importance of the Flushing Meadows major and the impact it could have on a network eager to expand its audience reach of current 10 million households, said; "We're already a [U.S. Open] partner to some degree. I guess at the moment my only answer is: you never know."

Solomon doesn't have to go very far for insight into the USTA's thinking, he can merely look across the board room table into the eyes of Arlen Kantarian, Chief Executive of Professional Tennis for the USTA. Kantarian, a former Radio City Music Hall exec whose promotional prowess and entertainment expertise have done more to attract attention for USTA-owned tournaments than the Rockettes have done for high kicks, joined TC's board of directors in the role of "observer" after the USTA became an official TTC investor last year.

Kantarian is an innovator who was the driving force behind the U.S. Open moving the women's final to its Saturday night prime-time slot, and a chief architect of the U.S. Open Series that has resulted in a ratings rise for American networks. Under Kantarian's guidance, U.S. Open attendance, viewership and sponsorship has risen and you don't need a PhD in programming to figure out he's considering all options to continue that growth.

The level of interactivity between the USTA, ESPN and TTC, which are the primary promoters of the U.S. Open Series through their telecasts, has now reached a level where it appears almost a foregone conclusion that a U.S. Open deal will eventually be done.

A combined ESPN/TTC deal for U.S. Open could exponentially expand the tennis audience and ad revenue for both networks.

In return, the USTA would receive unprecedented levels of exposure for its crown jewel, the U.S. Open, by gaining its most comprehensive coverage of the tournament (CBS owns network rights to the Open) through both two cable networks and potential web streaming over both ESPN and TC's web sites. Tennis Channel streamed Roland Garros for free over its website last spring.

For all these reasons, an ESPN/TC alliance seems certain to continue with eventual acquisition of the U.S. Open.

Think about it for a moment: the concept that both TC and ESPN are now, either jointly or independently, televising three of the four majors and a majority of the U.S. Open Series, but not the U.S. Open itself, makes about as much sense as a restaurant luring you inside with appealing array of appetizers, substantial side dishes and an open stocked bar, but is ultimately forced to send you down the street to a different establishment when it comes time to devour the main course.

When it comes to televised tennis in the United States, the U.S. Open is the tennis version of Thanksgiving — the ultimate annual tennis feast for fans. The fact that television's two primary promoters of the U.S. Open Series do not reap the payoff of televising the U.S. Open itself cannot be satisfactory to either network given their investments in the sport.

Additionally, both TC and ESPN's audiences are obviously already more predisposed to sports participation than the USA Network audience so in that respect the USTA would be upgrading in reaching its primary target audience: people who watch and play tennis.

It's not just a win-win situation, it's a straight-sets win for all parties: the USTA gains greater exposure for its primary properties and potentially grows its member base in the process; ESPN completes its cable Grand Slam and finally fulfills its title as "The Grand Slam Network" as reality rather than self-serving hype while expanding its audience and presumably generating greater ad revenue with improved ratings; The Tennis Channel solidifies its status as a primary player in tennis by drawing more viewers with rights to three of the four majors and moves closer toward breaking even and tennis viewers could look forward to more comprehensive coverage across multiple platforms and two networks.


© 2007 Tennis Week

cobalt60
02-05-2008, 11:49 PM
Thanks for posting :)

RickDaStick
02-06-2008, 01:30 AM
Im not a big fan of FSN because it's regional. Newport is the only tournament they televise in my region. It use to be more a few years back but now its just Newport. I doubt i will get to see much tennis from IW or Miami

NinaNina19
02-06-2008, 02:24 AM
This sucks. Any chances of TTC picking it up?

Leo
02-06-2008, 03:08 AM
This is really odd and disappointing in every respect. Don't they hype Miami as the 5th Slam? And we won't see any of it but the final??

This is what happens to tennis in the US without a great, consistent American champion. And I think it's sad. We all see the potential in the sport if it was just marketed better. We need more hype, more attention. Cutting coverage is ummm, bad in every respect. Current fans will be bummed, no future fans will be born.

I mean, I think the tournament directors and planners of IW and Miami must be extremely worried and upset as well. No coverage on a major US network like the US means no profits from commercials for the actual event, for Palms Springs or Miami hotels/resorts, vacation getaway deals, other attractions, etc.

I hope I get Fox Sports but to be honest I thought the network died out years ago. Like, I haven't seen any tennis on Fox Sports since 2002???

Pea
02-06-2008, 03:12 AM
Oh please God, no Arias commentating.

Fee
02-06-2008, 03:20 AM
Leo, the question is which Fox Sports do you get. You need to go to their website and find your network, or try www.zap2it.com and put your zip and service provider in there. You will need that info when the tournaments come around.

mangoes
02-06-2008, 03:25 AM
Is FSN in more households than TTC?? I just read the above article and the ATP approached FSN to carry the tournaments. This leaves me with a question mark. Why would the ATP approach FSN instead of the Tennis Channel. And, the ATP executives scratch their heads wondering why tennis isn't gaining momentum in the US. Where is the common sense in approaching FSN instead of TTC. This makes NO sense to me...........NONE!! It sounds like some idiot executive called up a friend at FSN and asked if they wanted the tournaments.

Allure
02-06-2008, 03:29 AM
Is FSBA (Fox Sports Bay Area) the same as FSN?

RickDaStick
02-06-2008, 03:32 AM
Is FSN in more households than TTC?? I just read the above article and the ATP approached FSN to carry the tournaments. This leaves me with a question mark. Why would the ATP approach FSN instead of the Tennis Channel. And, the ATP executives scratch their heads wondering why tennis isn't gaining momentum in the US. Where is the common sense in approaching FSN instead of TTC. This makes NO sense to me...........NONE!! It sounds like some idiot executive called up a friend at FSN and asked if they wanted the tournaments.

pretty much everyone gets FSN but it isnt like ESPN. Espn is national so everybody is watching the same thing. FSN being regional so every region chooses what they want to show.

RickDaStick
02-06-2008, 03:33 AM
Is FSBA (Fox Sports Bay Area) the same as FSN?

Yes but it will be up to them whether they want to show IW and Miami

Fee
02-06-2008, 04:02 AM
Here, this page might help some of you who are confused by the regional affiliates aspect of Fox Sports.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/1636002

savesthedizzle
02-06-2008, 04:04 AM
I have absolutely no faith in FSNY to show any of this :rolls: :bigcry:

Merton
02-06-2008, 04:33 AM
Is FSN in more households than TTC?? I just read the above article and the ATP approached FSN to carry the tournaments. This leaves me with a question mark. Why would the ATP approach FSN instead of the Tennis Channel. And, the ATP executives scratch their heads wondering why tennis isn't gaining momentum in the US. Where is the common sense in approaching FSN instead of TTC. This makes NO sense to me...........NONE!! It sounds like some idiot executive called up a friend at FSN and asked if they wanted the tournaments.

That sounds strange to say the least, once the ESPN contract expired why didn't the ATP just auction the TV rights for IW and Miami? They would end up going to the network that gave the best value. The only reasonable explanation I can think off is that the ATP values the fact that they get only a 1 year contract with FSN, obviously expecting the coverage to be more valuable next year. I don't see why they have such expectations though.

Clara Bow
02-06-2008, 04:58 AM
Our cable provider gives us about five different regional FSN stations, but I am worried that none of them will broadcast the tournament. I will have the Masters Series TV- but would like to be able to Tivo them and not have to watch on a computer.

I can not recall- is TMC going to still be in Shanghai this year or is it moving to London. That could help with the number of viewers since it won't be such a time difference.

I have noticed that TTC is getting a few more advertisers, finally. It is not always just the time share commercial "turn it into cash" and the gawdawful eharmony commercials anymore.

nobama
02-06-2008, 11:49 AM
That sounds strange to say the least, once the ESPN contract expired why didn't the ATP just auction the TV rights for IW and Miami? They would end up going to the network that gave the best value. The only reasonable explanation I can think off is that the ATP values the fact that they get only a 1 year contract with FSN, obviously expecting the coverage to be more valuable next year. I don't see why they have such expectations though.
Does the ATP own the rights? I thought one (or both) of these events was owned by IMG. :confused:

Tommy fan
02-06-2008, 12:24 PM
:o :sad:
That's really sucks!

smitty8
02-06-2008, 12:40 PM
I think it totally blows! Our local FSN network is more focused on local college teams and local pro sports. I assume they will do like they've done with other tennis things and show it on tape delay around 3am. :rolleyes: Good thing I have a year long subscription to Masters Series tv. :wavey:

MusicMyst
02-06-2008, 07:41 PM
FSN doesn't always have "Fox" in its local affiliate's name. If you have Comcast, FSN is sometimes carred on what's called Comcast Sports Net.

Merton
02-06-2008, 08:14 PM
Does the ATP own the rights? I thought one (or both) of these events was owned by IMG. :confused:

It doesn't really matter, I assumed that the ATP owns the rights because from a bargaining point of view it is better to negotiate for a package of tournaments (in this case IW plus Miami) than to relinquish the rights separately to IW and Miami. It depends on the contract between the ATP and the tournament organizers. As far as I know, there is very little transparency on these issues, even though they are quite important. From the point of view of ATP, the goal should be to maximize revenues from the TV rights, then a separate question is how to distribute these revenues.

kaylee
02-06-2008, 08:29 PM
This makes no sense to me either however being in Canada we sometimes get the feed via ESPN Europe especially for some of the European tournaments. These are masters series events too I guess where I live I will just have to wait and see.

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-06-2008, 10:13 PM
FSN doesn't always have "Fox" in its local affiliate's name. If you have Comcast, FSN is sometimes carred on what's called Comcast Sports Net.



I have DISH Network and thru this Ihave Comcast Sports Net. Does this mean I am all set to see the 3 tournaments??

Fee
02-06-2008, 10:43 PM
FSN doesn't always have "Fox" in its local affiliate's name. If you have Comcast, FSN is sometimes carred on what's called Comcast Sports Net.

I don't think that is entirely true. I think Comcast Sports Net and Fox Sports have a content sharing agreement, but I don't think Comcast is actually Fox Sports. They are two separate channels on my cable system.

gogogirl
02-06-2008, 10:55 PM
All,

In my area it's channel 31. I'm sure I'll get all of the coverage. This channel always shows the Hall of Fame tourney, the one in Rhode Island after Wimby still on grass - and it use to show a WTA one or two; like Amelia Island or Charleston - if I remember correctly.

I feel for the ones in areas outside of the States - but within the US, most of us will receive coverage, I'm a thinking and hoping. They'd be fools not to show it - because they are still big in the US.

Fee
02-06-2008, 11:09 PM
What is the name of your Fox affiliate, gogogirl, and do you remember if they have ever shown San Jose, Delray Beach, or Memphis?

In Nor Cal, it's called Fox Sports Bay Area.

Fee
02-06-2008, 11:15 PM
I have DISH Network and thru this Ihave Comcast Sports Net. Does this mean I am all set to see the 3 tournaments??

If you have Dish, you should have Fox Sports as well. Which package do you have? According to the Dish website, America 250 has 15 Fox Sports affiliates in the lineup beginning at channel #415.

gogogirl
02-06-2008, 11:27 PM
What is the name of your Fox affiliate, gogogirl, and do you remember if they have ever shown San Jose, Delray Beach, or Memphis?

In Nor Cal, it's called Fox Sports Bay Area.

All,

Hey Fee. I am sure its initials are FSN. Fox Sports Net. I found it on the link someone posted here of Fox's listings and knew it all along. That Barry guy usually comments and sometimes Lief somebody. Justin Gimbel(SP?) was in the final of the Rhode Island one last year. I forgot who beat him. Shame on me.

If I remember corectly, I don't think they've been showing either of the ones you mentioned. Last year, I was surprised to see the Memphis final (WTA) picked up on TTC. I was flicking it over - and bam - there it was. Venus won - but I forget whom she bested. I'm getting old - don'tchaknow?

Del Ray Beach was shown by TTC. James and Malisse were in the final. Remembered that one. LOL! James lost that Monday because it was rained out on Sunday. He was leading by a set and a break. He was sort of late for the Davis Cup after that and I really do believe that that circumstance affected the first part of the year for him - because he was criticized and he lost to Berdy. It took him a while to regain his confidence. This year the DC is scheduled before that tourney I guess.

Keep the faith. You'll get it. It will be interesting to see whom the commentators end of being.

Federerhingis
02-06-2008, 11:27 PM
I think it totally blows! Our local FSN network is more focused on local college teams and local pro sports. I assume they will do like they've done with other tennis things and show it on tape delay around 3am. :rolleyes: Good thing I have a year long subscription to Masters Series tv. :wavey:

Yeah that's true, but they did have the Pete Sampras after the glory whatever it's called and they've had some of the World team tennis matches aired as well.

I am not too hopeful with seeing some tennis on FSN, but I guess we can give it the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Fee
02-06-2008, 11:54 PM
All,

Hey Fee. I am sure its initials are FSN. Fox Sports Net. I found it on the link someone posted here of Fox's listings and knew it all along. That Barry guy usually comments and sometimes Lief somebody. Justin Gimbel(SP?) was in the final of the Rhode Island one last year. I forgot who beat him. Shame on me.

If I remember corectly, I don't think they've been showing either of the ones you mentioned. Last year, I was surprised to see the Memphis final (WTA) picked up on TTC. I was flicking it over - and bam - there it was. Venus won - but I forget whom she bested. I'm getting old - don'tchaknow?

Del Ray Beach was shown by TTC. James and Malisse were in the final. Remembered that one. LOL! James lost that Monday because it was rained out on Sunday. He was leading by a set and a break. He was sort of late for the Davis Cup after that and I really do believe that that circumstance affected the first part of the year for him - because he was criticized and he lost to Berdy. It took him a while to regain his confidence. This year the DC is scheduled before that tourney I guess.

Keep the faith. You'll get it. It will be interesting to see whom the commentators end of being.

Thanks for adding the additional info. Justin was in the Rhode Island final in 2006, losing to Mark P, but I can't remember if it was on Fox or TTC in 2007.

Well, if the posts in this thread are any indication, there is going to be a MASSIVE amount of confusion in March when these tournaments actually begin.

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-07-2008, 12:41 AM
If you have Dish, you should have Fox Sports as well. Which package do you have? According to the Dish website, America 250 has 15 Fox Sports affiliates in the lineup beginning at channel #415.


Fee, I have America 250 so I could get the tennis channel. I will look on my chart if I can find it. Thank you for going to the extra step on checking the DISH website fir me. That wull be step if I cannot find my chart.

NicoFan
02-07-2008, 01:14 AM
I don't think that is entirely true. I think Comcast Sports Net and Fox Sports have a content sharing agreement, but I don't think Comcast is actually Fox Sports. They are two separate channels on my cable system.

It's confusing because it is called Comcast Sports Net on my cable system, but it has Fox Sports Net programming. :shrug:

I guess I'll have to wait and see if I get the tennis.

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-07-2008, 12:51 PM
I didscovered that the package I had with DISH did not have any Fox Sport Channels. I do have the New England Comcast Channel but I have only used that to watch the Celtics of the NBA.

I called DISH and found for an extra 5.oo per month I get a huge sport pkg. which includes many Fox Channels across the country, so I should be covered. I do not know how to be sure until about a week before the first tourney.

The nice part is I now get Arizona Fox Sports so I never have to miss the Phenoix Suns of the NBA. Yea!!

MusicMyst
02-07-2008, 01:11 PM
It's confusing because it is called Comcast Sports Net on my cable system, but it has Fox Sports Net programming. :shrug:

I guess I'll have to wait and see if I get the tennis.

That's what I have. There are also all these Fox College Sports channels that I never watch. :p

Fumus
02-12-2008, 01:54 PM
Ouch! I hope FOX sports does a better job but I believe that doing a worse job is essentially impossible. If you remember correctly ESPN only showed one of the IW semi-finals, and they showed it at like 3am or sumtin :retard:, so hopefully FOX sports respects the sport and actually shows all the matches. (and shows them live)

brickhousesupporter
02-12-2008, 04:38 PM
FSN used to show some tennis tournaments. I remember watching the Acura Classic match on that channel. I also remember watching a match between Ana Kournikova and Jelena Dokic so they did show tennis. I think it will be fine. All I know is that Espn better not try to acquire the rights to the UsOpen. I like it just the way it is on USA.

Fumus
02-12-2008, 05:38 PM
FSN used to show some tennis tournaments. I remember watching the Acura Classic match on that channel. I also remember watching a match between Ana Kournikova and Jelena Dokic so they did show tennis. I think it will be fine. All I know is that Espn better not try to acquire the rights to the UsOpen. I like it just the way it is on USA.

Actually, this year is the last year it will be on USA, I remember them saying that on USA last year.

Fee
02-12-2008, 06:21 PM
Yep, USA is giving up the USOpen. It will more than likely be a package deal between the Tennis Channel, ESPN, and CBS. If TTC gets the USO, expect their coverage of other tournaments to decrease due to budget constraints.

Scotso
02-12-2008, 09:30 PM
The ATP seriously needs new leadership. :help:

I don't think Dish Network even carries FSN. :sad: I wish the Tennis Channel had a much bigger budget and could just eat up the rights to all of these events with no problems.

Fee
02-12-2008, 09:31 PM
They do, I looked it up for someone earlier. Depending on your package, they carry ALL of the FSN regional affiliates. Check their website.

Scotso
02-12-2008, 09:38 PM
Yes, I have them all listed. But I don't have the sports package, so I think I'll only get whichever one they consider to be my region (I have the 250, but I don't think you get all of them for that, because I haven't been able to access them in the past, they tell me to get the sports package). Now I'll just have to figure out which one that is, and then hope they actually carry the tennis. :help:

Scotso
02-12-2008, 09:45 PM
Here, this page might help some of you who are confused by the regional affiliates aspect of Fox Sports.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/1636002

Can you copy/paste the article? Because all I get is a page asking me for my region and then it takes me to the main page.

Fee
02-12-2008, 09:52 PM
It's not an article, it's a list of regions that are actually links. Let me see if I can screen cap it for you, give me a moment. I believe you are under Fox Sports New York. Go to www.zap2it.com, put your zip code and provider in and get your custom listings. See what comes up there for you. :)

Here's a screencap:

Scotso
02-14-2008, 04:21 PM
Actually, I don't get FSN. :sad: I did more research into it, and eventually called Dish Network.

There's no "local" FSN for us, so we don't get it. I *do* get Comcast Sports Net, so I hope that what someone said (I think I remember them saying it, anyway) about Comcast and Fox sharing programming is true.

I don't want to have to miss some of the biggest events. :sad:

Fee
02-14-2008, 07:23 PM
:sad:

Can you spend a few extra dollars for a sports package and get all of the channels, or are you just plain out of luck?

Hopefully, the Comcast Sports channel in your area will pick up some of the coverage for you. Those are also regional channels, so it might be hard to figure out who is showing what in advance. Try using zap2it.com right now and see if the schedule they show for your comacst channel is accurate. :)

Scotso
02-15-2008, 01:53 AM
It's not a "few" dollars, really, so it's just not worth it. I'll just find a stream or something, I'm sure there will be something I can do. I'll just hope for the best.

It kind of sucks, though, I got Dish Network just so I would get the Tennis Channel and now that channel seems to be sinking a bit.

Lee
02-15-2008, 02:03 AM
I believe Indian Wells, Miami and TMC will have live stream but don't know how much will cost you. :shrug:

Fee
02-15-2008, 03:02 AM
It's not a "few" dollars, really, so it's just not worth it. I'll just find a stream or something, I'm sure there will be something I can do. I'll just hope for the best.

It kind of sucks, though, I got Dish Network just so I would get the Tennis Channel and now that channel seems to be sinking a bit.

I was afraid of that. For me, it was just five dollars to add the sports package, but I kind of guessed that it would be different for satellite.

Scotso
02-15-2008, 03:51 PM
We'll see. I'm not willing to miss the year-end championships, so if I have to I'll just buy the sports package for that one month. :lol:

MusicMyst
02-15-2008, 04:01 PM
Actually, I don't get FSN. :sad: I did more research into it, and eventually called Dish Network.

There's no "local" FSN for us, so we don't get it. I *do* get Comcast Sports Net, so I hope that what someone said (I think I remember them saying it, anyway) about Comcast and Fox sharing programming is true.

I don't want to have to miss some of the biggest events. :sad:

You get a Comcast-branded channel on the Dish Network? That sounds kinda weird, considering that Comcast is cable and the Dish is satellite, and they supposedly compete for the same viewers. :confused:

Kitty de Sade
02-15-2008, 04:15 PM
I believe Indian Wells, Miami and TMC will have live stream but don't know how much will cost you. :shrug:

I had a feeling I'd hear this. Amazing- you have a sports package, and 237498379 other channels that show stuff that is worthless...but tennis is nowhere to be found. :fiery:

Good thing I have an endless supply of Murphy Jensen Does America to keep me warm, while all the live events are going on. :D

Lee
02-15-2008, 04:21 PM
I had a feeling I'd hear this. Amazing- you have a sports package, and 237498379 other channels that show stuff that is worthless...but tennis is nowhere to be found. :fiery:

Good thing I have an endless supply of Murphy Jensen Does America to keep me warm, while all the live events are going on. :D

:lol: I love Destination Tennis :rolls: And how about those "Fabulous abs" or something like that.

kaylee
02-15-2008, 04:24 PM
oh dear this means we will probably miss out too oh well at least I am going to Miami so won't be totally deprived but this does suck for the rest of the tournaments.

camnation
02-15-2008, 06:53 PM
Does anyone know if TTC is available in Canada? I looked through all 999 Rogers Digital Cable channels and found nothing. Is it available on satellite or something?

Lee
02-15-2008, 08:36 PM
No, TTC is not available in Canada. I don't think right now TTC think it worth the effort to apply to broadcast in Canada with CRTC.

camnation
02-16-2008, 01:38 PM
No, TTC is not available in Canada. I don't think right now TTC think it worth the effort to apply to broadcast in Canada with CRTC.
:sad: There are at least 940635 channels dedicated to soccer and 3068028050 dedicated to football but not one single tennis channel for us Canadians? Sad...

SUKTUEN
02-20-2008, 03:34 PM
WHATT??????????????????????????

ESPN no IW no Mamai no Shanghai??????

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!:fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery:
So that means I cannot watch Roger play in my country in Live!
Shit ESPN!:armed:

RickDaStick
02-25-2008, 08:45 PM
There is a chance it could be on ESPN360 and if that is the case, the coverage would be better. ESPN360 is showing the Acapulco tournament right now through ESPN DEPORTES which is the same channel that will broadcast IW and Miami

Alex999
02-25-2008, 09:23 PM
:sad: There are at least 940635 channels dedicated to soccer and 3068028050 dedicated to football but not one single tennis channel for us Canadians? Sad...

Yup, sad but true. I even phoned my provider Shaw and complained about it.

Tomy
02-26-2008, 04:09 AM
Guys, you have to be realistic. If nobody watches tennis down at the US, advertisers won't pay much to the network that transmit tennis. Broadcasting those masters isn't something cheap, and it'd be ridiculous for ESPN to lose money buying those rights when they have the rights for many other events such as basket, baseball, or football, which are much more popular down there. Latin America is another story, cause people actually watch tennis down here, so its quite logical for them to transmit those tournaments for us.

Pushkin
02-26-2008, 02:28 PM
It's quite simple ESPN=USA.

When Roddick and Blake are your top 2 guys now and they often lose very early it's tough to sell tennis to Americans who watch almost only Americans... Why do you think Soccer is the #1 sport in America in terms of participation but can't cut it on TV. Because Americans suck in Soccer in general. Samething with Women now the best American is #8 in the world most of them always withdraw injured or get out early now.
ESPN coverage is not reflecting tennis decline in popularity in the US but the decline in quality and charisma of top and now lack of top US players... Anyway in the rest of the world Tennis is bigger than ever(+ now middle east asia)especially Europe.

gogogirl
02-26-2008, 03:02 PM
Hey All,

Check out the below. I just called Fox Sports Net South and Charise informed me that the IW tourney was on their schedule. But.......the coverage is only thru 17-23 March. That's better than nothing, and hopefully TTC will pick some of it up.

The telephone numbers are on link. She is even going to email me the grid she was looking at.

I was a little too fit to be tied that our FSN station didn't show San Jose, but I wouldn't let it raise my blood pressure like I would if I miss all of IW/Miami. LOL!

http://www.afana.com/af_fsncontactinfo.shtml

dam0dred
02-26-2008, 03:14 PM
It's quite simple ESPN=USA.

When Roddick and Blake are your top 2 guys now and they often lose very early it's tough to sell tennis to Americans who watch almost only Americans... Why do you think Soccer is the #1 sport in America in terms of participation but can't cut it on TV. Because Americans suck in Soccer in general. Samething with Women now the best American is #8 in the world most of them always withdraw injured or get out early now.
ESPN coverage is not reflecting tennis decline in popularity in the US but the decline in quality and charisma of top and now lack of top US players... Anyway in the rest of the world Tennis is bigger than ever(+ now middle east asia)especially Europe.

Exactly. But they could fix that - hey, here's an idea. Instead of showing Serena Williams destroy some poor qualifier 60 62 in an early round, how about show a different, more competitive match that doesn't involve *gasp* American players?!? Just because the top players aren't American doesn't mean they are any less interesting or likable.

But that will never happen. Instead we'll get more montages with dramatic music about how amazing and courageous James Blake is.

Tomy
02-26-2008, 03:22 PM
It's quite simple ESPN=USA.

When Roddick and Blake are your top 2 guys now and they often lose very early it's tough to sell tennis to Americans who watch almost only Americans... Why do you think Soccer is the #1 sport in America in terms of participation but can't cut it on TV. Because Americans suck in Soccer in general. Samething with Women now the best American is #8 in the world most of them always withdraw injured or get out early now.
ESPN coverage is not reflecting tennis decline in popularity in the US but the decline in quality and charisma of top and now lack of top US players... Anyway in the rest of the world Tennis is bigger than ever(+ now middle east asia)especially Europe.


We shouldn't be blaming americans for that... I mean, the same thing happens all over the world. For instance, in Argentina almost everyone watched the last two masters series cause Nalbandian won them, but this year's Australian Open passed by without notice cause all latin americans lost in 3rd round. It is quite logical for ESPN to transmit other sports were Americans will show their talent instead of showing some tennis tournaments for two or three americans who want to watch Blake losing on second round and turn off their TVs afterwards...

kiwi10is
03-02-2008, 01:36 PM
Starsport Southeastasia has Indian Wells on their schedule! It should be available via Sopcast or TVU I think

Scotso
03-16-2008, 03:18 AM
Okay, so Comcast SportsNet is showing 10 total hours of Fox SportsNet's coverage, and it's at completely random times. No men's final.

Absolutely retarded. I go through all this trouble to get TTC, and it doesn't even seem to matter anymore because they're not getting the major coverage. It really pisses me off that tournaments the size of Indian Wells and Miami give coverage to networks like Fox SportsNet, which doesn't even force all of its areas to actually show it, and even then they're not in every market.

Man, I'm pissed off. I'm losing more and more tennis coverage every year, despite having TTC now.

From a strong fan's perspective in the USA, it really seems like professional tennis is on the decline.

jcempire
03-16-2008, 03:56 AM
THIS YEAR IS SUCK OF TV coverage

NO ESPN..

FOX SPORT IS SUCK...........

Tiklish
03-16-2008, 04:11 AM
I was in heaven when I got the Tennis Channel in October, just in time for the Madrid Masters. They played like 12 hours of live coverage, every day, which was all night and all day here, I saw everyone, then they repeated most of it through the late afternoon and evening, literally until the next day's live coverage began. It was amazing. Then they did the same for the Paris Masters. Awesome! I haven't seen anything but some semi decent Las Vegas coverage since, and everyone that mattered the most was in Dubai, not one moment of Dubai coverage. I'm really hoping the upcoming European Masters tournaments will be covered the way Madrid and Paris were.

star
03-16-2008, 04:28 AM
Shanghai is a money loser for U.S. TV. The time difference is a killer. Hopefully when it moves to Europe next year, things will be better. Actually, for me, this is the least interesting tournament among the major tournaments. There have been some thrilling times at the tournament, e.g. Guga in Lisbon, but mostly, it's ho hum.

Tiklish
03-16-2008, 04:37 AM
I really enjoyed Shanghai last year. It was the first time I'd seen the Master's Cup. The Gonzalez matches alone were great drama, from the highest of highs against Rogi, to bearly being able to stay on his feet vs Roddick, and the match vs Davydenko was wonderful, neither of them playing well, but both fighting so hard. Ah, the memories! A properly televised tennis tournament! Well, except for cutting out half of the first set on the delayed broadcast of the Federer-Gonzalez match, since that first day didn't air live here. Otherwise, it was awesome!

Johnny Groove
03-16-2008, 04:38 AM
THIS YEAR IS SUCK OF TV coverage

NO ESPN..

FOX SPORT IS SUCK...........

:worship:

Clay Death
03-16-2008, 04:51 AM
I really enjoyed Shanghai last year. It was the first time I'd seen the Master's Cup. The Gonzalez matches alone were great drama, from the highest of highs against Rogi, to bearly being able to stay on his feet vs Roddick, and the match vs Davydenko was wonderful, neither of them playing well, but both fighting so hard. Ah, the memories! A properly televised tennis tournament! Well, except for cutting out half of the first set on the delayed broadcast of the Federer-Gonzalez match, since that first day didn't air live here. Otherwise, it was awesome!


you are a true tennis fan. will you be traveling to Shanghai again this year.

I wish Lopez had been able to win in Dubai. he was so close and yet so far away.

World Beater
03-16-2008, 05:01 AM
its easy to blame espn but really they are doing what works for them.

FSN is just tragic.

not only do few ppl actually get the channel because its a premium sports package but the channel is located in the 600's for direct tv and . good luck trying to attract casual viewers.

america is still one of the few places in the world that places more hype around the college games of certain sports than the pro events.

bluefork
03-16-2008, 05:09 AM
its easy to blame espn but really they are doing what works for them.

FSN is just tragic.

not only do few ppl actually get the channel because its a premium sports package but the channel is located in the 600's for direct tv and . good luck trying to attract casual viewers.

america is still one of the few places in the world that places more hype around the college games of certain sports than the pro events.

College? In my area they showed highlights of high school sports instead of live tennis! It's so freaking pathetic it's almost funny.

Svetlana.
03-16-2008, 05:36 AM
There's no "local" FSN for us, so we don't get it. I *do* get Comcast Sports Net, so I hope that what someone said (I think I remember them saying it, anyway) about Comcast and Fox sharing programming is true.

I don't want to have to miss some of the biggest events. :sad:

I don't have FSN either, but I have Comcast Sports Net and it will show some of the live Indian Wells matches for the next 8 days.

soothsayer
03-16-2008, 05:52 AM
For those in Canada, it looks like TSN will still be showing Indian Wells and Miami. Check their schedule out here: http://tsn.ca/tennis/on_tsn/?show=TENNIS

I'm not sure where they'll get their feed from, but I assume either a european or latin american espn feed. I'll kinda miss ol' Pat Mac and company.

Scotso
03-16-2008, 06:31 AM
I don't have FSN either, but I have Comcast Sports Net and it will show some of the live Indian Wells matches for the next 8 days.

"Some" is a bit too generous of a word. ;)

Svetlana.
03-16-2008, 07:10 AM
"Some" is a bit too generous of a word. ;)

It's what they said. They showed it live today from 2 to 6 pm. Check their TV schedule.

raven gypsy
03-16-2008, 11:47 AM
College? In my area they showed highlights of high school sports instead of live tennis! It's so freaking pathetic it's almost funny.

It's really sad.
One of the reasons ESPN gave for not bidding for the USOPEN was all of the other sporting events during that same time. One of them listed was, "little league baseball" :retard:

clandis
03-16-2008, 01:24 PM
I hust ordered FSN for tennis coverage from DirecTV. It's 12 dollars a month, and they told me I have to keep it a whole month before cancelling. Sounds like once people see how lame the network is, they cancel it.

FluffyYellowBall
03-16-2008, 02:58 PM
I heard thet asked fo 20 million this year! Last year it was 5!