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Ranking points for the olympics?

JimmyV
02-02-2008, 07:40 AM
I came across this list randomly today :


Champion - 350 points
Silver medalist - 245
Bronze medalist - 175
4th place - 135
Quarterfinalist - 90
3rd round - 48
2nd round - 28
1st round - 1

Is this true?
It seems kind of silly to award points that players cant defend, did they do this in 2004?

If this is true it will help Massu out when he wins double golds again.

lazyman
02-02-2008, 08:53 AM
yeh it is stupid the olypics should not give points. tennis shouldnt even be an olympic sport there are enough tournaments for the players

Sean.J.S.
02-02-2008, 08:57 AM
yeh it is stupid the olypics should not give points. tennis shouldnt even be an olympic sport there are enough tournaments for the players

I don't see a problem with having the Olympics there but yes I do agree, points is a waste of time seeing as you can't defend them.

GuiroNl
02-02-2008, 09:07 AM
Maybe the points last for 4 years? This would be silly as well though.

Sean.J.S.
02-02-2008, 09:08 AM
Maybe the points last for 4 years? This would be silly as well though.

I'm pretty sure they get taken off after 52 weeks. Yeah lasting for four years would be stupid. :p

Jelena
02-02-2008, 10:05 AM
on the other hand there are only two players of a country who actually get points at olympics. The others don't even get a chance to compete at the Olympic Games. And I can imagine the players don't even think of the points once they are there as the athmosphere there is really unique.

lazyman
02-02-2008, 10:31 AM
I don't see a problem with having the Olympics there but yes I do agree, points is a waste of time seeing as you can't defend them.

no problem with it but it just isnt that interesting. it doesnt get the same exitment that other sports recieve when they are at the olympics.

lazyman
02-02-2008, 10:34 AM
on the other hand there are only two players of a country who actually get points at olympics. The others don't even get a chance to compete at the Olympic Games. And I can imagine the players don't even think of the points once they are there as the athmosphere there is really unique.

whats the crowd like at the olympics?

AnnaK_4ever
02-02-2008, 10:35 AM
I came across this list randomly today :


Champion - 350 points
Silver medalist - 245
Bronze medalist - 175
4th place - 135
Quarterfinalist - 90
3rd round - 48
2nd round - 28
1st round - 1

Is this true?


That's WTA ranking points.

+alonso
02-02-2008, 03:33 PM
I think winner get 400 points in ATP.

JimmyV
02-02-2008, 04:51 PM
Thats why I'm asking, thats what I got off google.

Jelena
02-02-2008, 05:24 PM
Rd 64: 5
Rd 32: 25
Rd 16: 50
QF: 100
4th Place: 155
Bronze medallist: 205
Silver medallist: 280
Gold medallist: 400

Beforehand
02-02-2008, 06:49 PM
on the other hand there are only two players of a country who actually get points at olympics. The others don't even get a chance to compete at the Olympic Games. And I can imagine the players don't even think of the points once they are there as the athmosphere there is really unique.

I think the cutoff is four players, not two.

NyGeL
02-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Yup, 4 players max. per country.

I agree that shouldn't be ranking points.

yellowboy906
02-02-2008, 09:08 PM
i heard that the olympics is like a 64 players tournament with top 2 players representing their country, is it true? i didn't know how it works cause i'm not really into tennis in 2004 so 2008 is gonna be the first time i watch olympics. can anyone tell us what it's like? please

lazyman
02-02-2008, 10:42 PM
I think the cutoff is four players, not two.

i think i read somewhere before tha a country can only send 2 singles players and 2 doubles teams. so 2 players play doubles together and the 2 singles players are also aloud to team up to play in the doubles as well but im not sure if im right bout that

Beforehand
02-02-2008, 11:56 PM
I think it's four in singles, unless it's changed.

NyGeL
02-03-2008, 12:01 AM
4 singles players + 2 doubles + 1 Doubles team with 2 singles players.

For example, Argentina in Athens:

Singles: Nalbandian (withdraw due to injury and Arthurs became LL due to be best ranked in singles between doubles player from countrys with less than 4 singles), Calleri, Chela and Zabaleta
Doubles: Etlis/Rodriguez + Chela/Zabaleta

Draws:
Singles: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/vault/draws.asp?TournamentID=96&TournamentYear=2004
Doubles: http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/vault/drawsdoubles.asp?TournamentID=96&TournamentYear=2004

fedsfan1
02-03-2008, 12:02 AM
sorry this has nothing to do with the points but....
does any one know if we will be able to watch the tennis from Bejing?
did anyone here watch Athens? I know in the US...there wasn't any tennis coverage that I can remember. I only remember seeing Roger holding the Swiss flag during the opening ceremony & I think he will again this year.

Hopefully the Tennis Channel will have coverage.

lazyman
02-03-2008, 12:04 AM
is it the same format every olympics?

NyGeL
02-03-2008, 12:06 AM
Official rules from http://en.beijing2008.cn/cptvenues/sports/tennis/:

Maximum per NOC: The maximum number of players per NOC shall be 6 men and 6 women, of which a maximum of 4 men and 4 women may compete in the individual events, and a maximum of 2 doubles pairs may compete in the doubles events.
QUALIFICATION SYSTEM:
Entries
Only National Tennis Associations which have been members of the ITF prior to 1 January 2008 may nominate players for participation in the 2008 Olympic Tennis Event. For the purposes of such eligibility, both Full and Associate Members of the ITF may participate.
Entry forms (by nation) will be sent by the ITF to all National Tennis Associations eligible to participate by no later than 5 February 2008. The completed Entry forms, endorsed by the respective NOC, are to be received by the ITF no later than 3 April 2008.
Draws
The singles events shall consist of a draw of 64 singles players, with a maximum of 4 players per NOC.
The doubles events shall consist of a draw of 32 pairs, each comprising of players from the same nation, with a maximum of 2 pairs per NOC.
SINGLES
64 athletes for each of the men’s singles and women’s singles events will qualify as follows:

QUALIFICATION Total
Direct qualifications, based on the recognised World Ranking of 9 June 2008 48
Tripartite Commission Invitation places 2
Final qualification places (ITF Places) 14
Total 64

JimmyV
02-03-2008, 12:07 AM
sorry this has nothing to do with the points but....
does any one know if we will be able to watch the tennis from Bejing?
did anyone here watch Athens? I know in the US...there wasn't any tennis coverage that I can remember. I only remember seeing Roger holding the Swiss flag during the opening ceremony & I think he will again this year.

Hopefully the Tennis Channel will have coverage.

Yea, I really hope we get coverage.
If i can get coverage of badminton, i should be able to see tennis.

NyGeL
02-03-2008, 12:07 AM
sorry this has nothing to do with the points but....
does any one know if we will be able to watch the tennis from Bejing?
did anyone here watch Athens? I know in the US...there wasn't any tennis coverage that I can remember. I only remember seeing Roger holding the Swiss flag during the opening ceremony & I think he will again this year.

Hopefully the Tennis Channel will have coverage.

If I'm not wrong, there was live coverage for center courts (2 or 3) and for all matches since semi finals, at least here in Argentina.

fedsfan1
02-03-2008, 12:55 PM
Thanks Nygel & JimmyV

Bilbo
02-03-2008, 01:10 PM
yeh it is stupid the olypics should not give points. tennis shouldnt even be an olympic sport there are enough tournaments for the players

tennis in one of the oldest olympic sports. so what is your problem?

any sport which is represented at the olympics is got for the popularity of the sport.

Tennistunes
02-03-2008, 04:13 PM
64 draw, no more than four singles players per country... and no more than two doubles teams and no more than six total players per country....USA team in 2004 was as follows

MEN SINGLES
Roddick
Dent
Fish
Spadea
MEN'S DOUBLES
Roddick-Fish
Bryans

WOMEN'S SINGLES
Venus Williams
Chanda Rubin
Serena Williams (withdrew)
Jennifer Capriati (withdrew)
Lisa Raymond (substituted for Capriati)
WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Venus Williams-Chanda Rubin
Martina Navratilova-Lisa Raymond

lazyman
02-03-2008, 11:50 PM
tennis in one of the oldest olympic sports. so what is your problem?

any sport which is represented at the olympics is got for the popularity of the sport.

there is no problem. i dont mind it. and it isnt one of the oldest olympic sports. its just in other sports the olypics is seen as a very important event for the competitors even the most important in some sports. but for most tennis players the olympics isnt worth that much to them as there are grandslams and masters events that most players prefer to win.

and as far as representing there country the davis cup is also there and is also more prestigous

Matchu
02-04-2008, 01:25 AM
Yup, 4 players max. per country.

If this is true then if things stay the way they are Tommy Robredo world number 19 will not be able to play olympics! a top 20 player not playing in the olympics but makes the cut for every other tournament in the world besides masters cup. A little bit strange if you ask me.

vidanhv
02-04-2008, 01:33 AM
Yup, 4 players max. per country.

I agree that shouldn't be ranking points.
Both WTA and ATP players, or 4 per tour?

KaxMisha
02-04-2008, 02:07 AM
If this is true then if things stay the way they are Tommy Robredo world number 19 will not be able to play olympics! a top 20 player not playing in the olympics but makes the cut for every other tournament in the world besides masters cup. A little bit strange if you ask me.

Tell me about it! It's even worse in table tennis (the other sport I follow fanatically), where at least five of the top 10 players are always from China, yet only three singles players per country can participate. The rule is total and utter bullshit. For example, during the Sydney Olympics, Wang Liqin, who was ranked number 1 at the time, could not participate, because he had not made the cut earlier that year. The system should be that the top 16 or so qualify automatically, even if they are ALL from the same country. After that, they can have some regulations on the number of participants.

Action Jackson
02-04-2008, 02:25 AM
Tell me about it! It's even worse in table tennis (the other sport I follow fanatically), where at least five of the top 10 players are always from China, yet only three singles players per country can participate. The rule is total and utter bullshit. For example, during the Sydney Olympics, Wang Liqin, who was ranked number 1 at the time, could not participate, because he had not made the cut earlier that year. The system should be that the top 16 or so qualify automatically, even if they are ALL from the same country. After that, they can have some regulations on the number of participants.

Imagine if they had that rule for the 3000m steeplechase for men. Then it would be 13 Kenyans in the final and one guy who represents Qatar who is a Kenyan.

KaxMisha
02-06-2008, 02:05 AM
Imagine if they had that rule for the 3000m steeplechase for men. Then it would be 13 Kenyans in the final and one guy who represents Qatar who is a Kenyan.

So? If they're the best 3000 meter sprinters, that's how it should be. Making the competition worse to achieve international diversification is bullshit.

Mĺnu
02-06-2008, 11:04 AM
If this is true then if things stay the way they are Tommy Robredo world number 19 will not be able to play olympics! a top 20 player not playing in the olympics but makes the cut for every other tournament in the world besides masters cup. A little bit strange if you ask me.

Yes indeed, in the top 64 of the world, there are 10 Spanish, 10 French, 7 Argentinians and 5 Russians.

Sunset of Age
02-06-2008, 05:15 PM
So? If they're the best 3000 meter sprinters, that's how it should be. Making the competition worse to achieve international diversification is bullshit.

Fully agree.

*bunny*
02-06-2008, 05:54 PM
If this is true then if things stay the way they are Tommy Robredo world number 19 will not be able to play olympics! a top 20 player not playing in the olympics but makes the cut for every other tournament in the world besides masters cup. A little bit strange if you ask me.
I think Tommy will be fine as far as he won't drop further down in the ranking and if the acceptance requirement regarding Davis Cup/Fed Cup participation given by ITF stands (and I think it does considering how Sharapova has been keen on getting involved in the Russian Fed Cup team since last year).
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_21709_original.PDF
It says a player eligible for the Olympics must "Make him/herself available for selection to represent his/her country in any of the International Team Championships of the Federation for two of the following years – 2005, 2006, 2007 or 2008 - provided that one of those years is either 2007 or 2008. In 2005, 2006, 2007 or 2008, a player who makes him/herself available for selection for one Tie in Davis Cup or Fed Cup will be deemed to have fulfilled the requirement for that year."
Which puts participation of Moya and Ferrero at risk...as far as I am aware Moya hasn't played a DC tie after the 2004 final, and JCF has played only one tie since the beginning of 2005 and he just skipped the forthcoming tie in Peru (well it's his decision so you can't complain). But Tommy has played three ties in this period.
Not the best time to be a player from countries that have many top players, is it (provided he/she is willing to play in the Olympics).