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Murray out of Davis Cup tie.

Duncan
01-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Here we go again i think. He's either got another injury or he's faking it because he thinks they are gonna get battered against Argentina.


Right knee according to sky sports news

Jaap
01-30-2008, 05:07 PM
What a pussy.

l_mac
01-30-2008, 05:08 PM
:rolleyes:

I wonder if he'll still play Marseille :p

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:10 PM
This was a lost cause tie anyway but this decision is still disappointing - if he didn't want to go he should just have said he wasn't available when the team was picked.

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 05:11 PM
Absolutely totally gutted. Obviously our chances of winning the tie were extremely low, but I was looking forward to some half-competitive tennis on Friday and Saturday. Now I'm seriously considering not watching it...only thing that will encourage me to tune is to the chance to see a bit of Monaco, whom I have barely seen. Otherwise, I see little joy in watching Baker, Boggo (who shouldn't have even been picked imo...but maybe now it is a good thing he was), and Jamie Murray get completely crushed. Hopefully Hutchins will, at least, make his deserved Davis Cup debut (in doubles).

Jaap
01-30-2008, 05:13 PM
Boggo vs Nalbandian on clay. :help:

Might be lucky to win a game.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:14 PM
Hmm i think i'm gonna give up my interest in tennis the way things are going lately ..

:lol: @ this tie now, if ever there was a time when a team shouldnt even waste their time turning up - this is it.

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 05:16 PM
if ever there was a time when a team shouldnt even waste their time turning up - this is it.

Perfectly put mate. Usually I'm an advocate of fighting until the death, even if it is almost a completely lost cause...but seriously, why are we even bothering? It isn't as if the guys can even play on clay (with the exception of Baker)...they could be getting some reasonable challenger/futures results on hardcourts / indoors in the coming weeks, instead of wasting time on this tie.

Poor Henman and Rusedski...all their April / September '07 (the latter, not Greg :p) efforts were in vain. :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
01-30-2008, 05:17 PM
Very disappointing, whether he really has an injury or not.

NinaNina19
01-30-2008, 05:17 PM
:rolleyes::oAndy. Oh well, at least he will be more fit for his coming tournaments.

Jaap
01-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Lloyd might get a gig himself at this rate.

decrepitude
01-30-2008, 05:18 PM
:rolleyes:

I wonder if he'll still play Marseille :p

Probably. The statement issued by his management talks of the problems of moving from hard courts to 5 set matches on clay and then to indoor hard. Presumably the idea of withdrawal is to avoid the changes.

Disappointing, but we never had a cat in hell's chances of winning the tie anyway.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:18 PM
Perfectly put mate. Usually I'm an advocate of fighting until the death, even if it is almost a completely lost cause...but seriously, why are we even bothering? It isn't as if the guys can even play on clay (with the exception of Baker)...they could be getting some reasonable challenger/futures results on hardcourts / indoors in the coming weeks, instead of wasting time on this tie.

Poor Henman and Rusedski...all their April / September '07 (the latter, not Greg :p) efforts were in vain. :rolleyes:
Yes but we knew that all along anyway - we knew that getting back into the World Group - yeah nice but then we would get hammered by nearly all the teams in there, we just do not have the depth and have been extremely lucky with how things fell for us to get back there.

This is a lost cause and it's a long way to go for a lost cause, too. Something tells me Andy will be okay to play in Marseille the following week. He should have just not made himself available for the tie.

Blue Heart24
01-30-2008, 05:20 PM
Boggo vs Nalbandian on clay. :help:

Might be lucky to win a game.

:lol:


I wanna CRO-GBR rematch in September! :rocker2:

NinaNina19
01-30-2008, 05:20 PM
I don't see this as that big of a deal. They probably would've lost anyway. At least now Andy can prepare himself better for his next tournament. I do agree that he shouldn't have committed himself to play DC though.

decrepitude
01-30-2008, 05:21 PM
Boggo vs Nalbandian on clay. :help:

Might be lucky to win a game.

And Baker v Nalby on clay. . . reminds me of Alan Mackin v Federer, a lamb to the slaughter.

I said from the first it was a waste of time trying to get into the world group, you can't win DC ties with a one-man team - unless you are playing another one-man team.

Tiger-Tim
01-30-2008, 05:22 PM
The stage is set for Henman to come out of retirement to lead Britain to a heroic victory in Argentina.

Duncan
01-30-2008, 05:23 PM
Enough negativity. Boggo to finally realise his potential and britain to win the tie 3-2! :woohoo: :lol:

NinaNina19
01-30-2008, 05:24 PM
From his website:
Andy Murray has withdrawn from next week’s Davis Cup tie against Argentina due to a recurring strain on his right knee and the need to prevent further injury.

Murray states: “Following the intensive off-season training, my right knee, which has a bipartite patella, started to act up again when I returned from Australia. We had a scan done this week and following discussions with my team, we have decided that it is better not to play in the Davis Cup tie against Argentina.”

“I am very disappointed not to be joining my Davis Cup teammates in Buenos Aires because I love playing for my country and have always enjoyed the team atmosphere of the Davis Cup. Since returning from Australia, my knee is still bothering me and the experts have advised me that going from hard courts to playing 5 set matches on clay and then back to indoor hard courts could increase the chances of further injury, set me back even more, and I don’t want to take that risk.”

Andy’s fitness trainer Jez Green explains the risk: “Andy’s workload in the off-season was incredibly high and put a lot of stress on the right knee. This is causing him some problems on certain movements. Changing surfaces three times in such a short time span would be a great risk to further injury.”

Murray concludes: “Last year was very difficult with my wrist injury. I learned about the importance of looking after my body and I don’t want to make any mistakes going forward. Taking this preventive measure is a very difficult decision but because I didn’t play a full year last year, the next two months are very important if I am to maintain my chances of challenging the top players.”

Hugh Jaas
01-30-2008, 05:25 PM
Yes but we knew that all along anyway - we knew that getting back into the World Group - yeah nice but then we would get hammered by nearly all the teams in there, we just do not have the depth and have been extremely lucky with how things fell for us to get back there.

This is a lost cause and it's a long way to go for a lost cause, too. Something tells me Andy will be okay to play in Marseille the following week. He should have just not made himself available for the tie.

Who is the reserve player. May i suggest Great Britain's rising star Robert dee (http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/activity.asp?player=100078500), he will be a massive challenge for the Argentinian players.....






“I am very disappointed not to be joining my Davis Cup teammates in Buenos Aires because I love playing for my country

Ironic.

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 05:26 PM
Enough negativity. Boggo to finally realise his potential and britain to win the tie 3-2! :woohoo: :lol:

:haha:

Lloyd should start a 1-week TV broadcasted talent contest for the final DC squad place. We could have Greg presenting it. :help: :o

Young Boss
01-30-2008, 05:27 PM
who's gonna be playing in his place?

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 05:29 PM
who's gonna be playing in his place?

Actually, it's a pity Mackin retired...a match on clay, as a lamb to the slaughter, was right up his alley. :lol:

But in all seriousness, Baker and Mackin are reasonably suited to the dirt. I guess Boggo will play singles alongside Baker. Hopefully Hutchins / Murray for doubles.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Perfectly put mate. Usually I'm an advocate of fighting until the death, even if it is almost a completely lost cause...but seriously, why are we even bothering? It isn't as if the guys can even play on clay (with the exception of Baker)...they could be getting some reasonable challenger/futures results on hardcourts / indoors in the coming weeks, instead of wasting time on this tie. Thw worst part is gonna be the uncomfortable squirming in your seat when Barker, Castle, Bailey, Lloyds and the rest of them do the BBC stuff and talk about "well we still have a chance" "we might coz an upset" :bs: and you know they will come out with all that tosh even if they know they are bullshitting.

if there is Cricket, Water Polo or Tiddlywinks on the telly i'd rather watch it than this.

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 05:31 PM
Thw worst part is gonna be the uncomfortable squirming in your seat when Barker, Castle, Bailey, Lloyds and the rest of them do the BBC stuff and talk about "well we still have a chance" "we might coz an upset" :bs: and you know they will come out with all that tosh even if they know they are bullshitting.

if there is Cricket, Water Polo or Tiddlywinks on the telly i'd rather watch it than this.

At times like these, I miss seeing Croft and her low-cut top. :awww:

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:31 PM
Alan Mackin :worship: :worship:
what a superstar :D :worship:

i might watch if he's in!

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:32 PM
Thw worst part is gonna be the uncomfortable squirming in your seat when Barker, Castle, Bailey, Lloyds and the rest of them do the BBC stuff and talk about "well we still have a chance" "we might coz an upset" :bs: and you know they will come out with all that tosh even if they know they are bullshitting.

if there is Cricket, Water Polo or Tiddlywinks on the telly i'd rather watch it than this.
Even with Andy it probably would have been ugly. Now it will be a massacre.

In football terms it's Premier League vs Conference. Argentina have a kind draw and could win the thing this year. They're going to swallow us whole and not even belch - we're just the entrée.

Sunset of Age
01-30-2008, 05:32 PM
Not caring much for the DC myself I can only wish him the best concerning his health, which is far more important.
Get well soon Muzza!

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:32 PM
At times like these, I miss seeing Croft and her low-cut top. :awww::lol:
i dont like Nadalita fangirl.

Even with Andy it probably would have been ugly. Now it will be a massacre.Yeah, but it mighta been entertaining.

Jaap
01-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Argentina may as well field Coria and Gaudio to build up their confidence.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:36 PM
Andy has left himself wide open to charges of cowardice, I'm afraid. Most people will be deeply cynical about this injury, especially if he plays Marseille, and think he's just run away from a tough job.

Not a lot really anyone can say either.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:38 PM
Argentina may as well field Coria and Gaudio to build up their confidence.:lol:

Jimnik
01-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Ridiculous. He'll almost certainly still play Marseille which will expose the real reason for this decision.

It looks like Murray is going to treat the Davis Cup with the same respect as Federer which is a real shame. If Baghdatis and Nieminen can still be bothered to turn up and play for their countries there's no excuse for Murray. He gets more money and support from the LTA than any other player gets from their home organisation.

And if this injury really is the problem then it only exposes how physically weak he still is inspite of all the so-called work he's put in over the last year.

Hugh Jaas
01-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Andy has left himself wide open to charges of cowardice, I'm afraid. Most people will be deeply cynical about this injury, especially if he plays Marseille, and think he's just run away from a tough job.

Not a lot really anyone can say either.

you think andy murray gives a sh*t about team GB, if this was team Scotland I doubt Murray would pull out.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:41 PM
you think andy murray gives a sh*t about team GB, if this was team Scotland I doubt Murray would pull out.
Don't agree there.

Young Boss
01-30-2008, 05:42 PM
Actually, it's a pity Mackin retired...a match on clay, as a lamb to the slaughter, was right up his alley. :lol:

But in all seriousness, Baker and Mackin are reasonably suited to the dirt. I guess Boggo will play singles alongside Baker. Hopefully Hutchins / Murray for doubles.

thanks for the info.

adee-gee
01-30-2008, 05:43 PM
Oh dear lord :help:

Those people slagging him off.....if he was faking it, would he have bothered practicing on clay for the last week or so? It probably isn't desperately serious, but I don't blame him for pulling out, we have no chance anyway.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 05:44 PM
Ridiculous. He'll almost certainly still play Marseille which will expose the real reason for this decision.

It looks like Murray is going to treat the Davis Cup with the same respect as Federer which is a real shame. If Baghdatis and Nieminen can still be motivated to turn up and play for their countries there's no excuse for Murray. He gets more money and support from the LTA than any other player gets from their home organisation.

And if this injury really is the problem then it only exposes how physically weak he still is inspite of all the so-called work he's put in over the last year.Ridiculous yourself ...

lets wait and see if he's alright for the next few weeks and tournaments

he's never shirked Davis Cup duties before has he? so enough of that.

just because you can pick up niggling injuries doesnt mean you are not fit or working hard.

Jimnik
01-30-2008, 05:45 PM
There's still hope for GB off course if Argentina are defaulted after Nalba and Monaco are caught for being on the juice.

Jozie
01-30-2008, 05:45 PM
Ridiculous. He'll almost certainly still play Marseille which will expose the real reason for this decision.

It looks like Murray is going to treat the Davis Cup with the same respect as Federer which is a real shame. If Baghdatis and Nieminen can still be bothered to turn up and play for their countries there's no excuse for Murray. He gets more money and support from the LTA than any other player gets from their home organisation.

And if this injury really is the problem then it only exposes how physically weak he still is inspite of all the so-called work he's put in over the last year.

I agree. I guess ranking points and money mean more than representing your country.:(

Sunset of Age
01-30-2008, 05:48 PM
I agree. I guess ranking points and money mean more than representing your country.:(

Ah, here we go again...
For those not getting it: tennis is an INDIVIDUAL sport. 99%, if not ALL, top-players consider their own individual carreers a lot more important than showing up for DC ties, and rightly so.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:48 PM
Oh dear lord :help:

Those people slagging him off.....if he was faking it, would he have bothered practicing on clay for the last week or so? It probably isn't desperately serious, but I don't blame him for pulling out, we have no chance anyway.
He's been at Roehampton all week so I'm not sure how much practice on clay he's done - all the pics I've seen of him were indoors.

ReturnWinner
01-30-2008, 05:49 PM
now the the tie will be 3-2 for Great Britain instead of 5-0

Jimnik
01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Ridiculous yourself ...

lets wait and see if he's alright for the next few weeks and tournaments

he's never shirked Davis Cup duties before has he? so enough of that.

just because you can pick up niggling injuries doesnt mean you are not fit or working hard.
Federer didn't miss a tie for Switzerland either until he turned 22. Maybe Murray is scared of hurting himself like the last time he played on clay.

rocketassist
01-30-2008, 05:54 PM
Lloyd should never select him again.

You're a tool, Andy. Davis Cup is a great competition and representing your national team should be pride.

Of course he'll play Marseille, just like Gaudio used to miss Wimbledon 'injured' and recover for Gstaad or Bastad.

Murray, you're a mug.

He does have the talent to give the Argies a game- never show up to a big match with a defeatist attitude, he thinks we haven't got a hope, we had a slim chance before, so why not go for it?

Arseclown.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 05:56 PM
Lloyd knows which side his bread is buttered.

Andy holds the whip hand when it comes to DC, not Lloyd. If Andy says he's willing to play a particular tie, no DC captain is going to reject that.

Jozie
01-30-2008, 05:57 PM
Ah, here we go again...
For those not getting it: tennis is an INDIVIDUAL sport. 99%, if not ALL, top-players consider their own individual carreers a lot more important than showing up for DC ties, and rightly so.

Indeed it is an INDIVIDUAL sport, in your opinion. So why do we do we bother to watch the Davis Cup, where a countries TOP players, TEAM up in honour of their country. And in MY opnion, GB needs Andy.

LK_22
01-30-2008, 05:57 PM
Argentina may as well field Coria and Gaudio to build up their confidence.

That's actually not a bad idea :lol: however bad they are playing at the moment, it's not bad enough that they are going to lose to the rubbish that we are going to be fielding against them now

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 06:00 PM
I wonder if Dave will get the crowd to chant "Murray sh*t himself" (in similar vein to Hewitt, several years ago)? :lol:

scoobs
01-30-2008, 06:02 PM
I wonder if Dave will get the crowd to chant "Murray sh*t himself" (in similar vein to Hewitt, several years ago)? :lol:
If he's in the mood to add insult to injury, then probably :)

adee-gee
01-30-2008, 06:03 PM
He's been at Roehampton all week so I'm not sure how much practice on clay he's done - all the pics I've seen of him were indoors.
Oh, I thought I heard he'd gone to practice on clay :scratch:

Well anyway, what I said still stands. I'm sure it's not a terrible injury but I doubt he's faking it. Probably just erring on the side of caution, and I don't blame him given his record with injuries. It's disappointing, he's a patriotic guy and with his brother in the team I thought he'd be up for it. But it also must be disheartening when he sees who'll be playing alongside him.
Lloyd should never select him again.
:lol: don't be so ridiculous.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 06:05 PM
Oh, I thought I heard he'd gone to practice on clay :scratch:

Well anyway, what I said still stands. I'm sure it's not a terrible injury but I doubt he's faking it. Probably just erring on the side of caution, and I don't blame him given his record with injuries. It's disappointing, he's a patriotic guy and with his brother in the team I thought he'd be up for it. But it also must be disheartening when he sees who'll be playing alongside him.

:lol: don't be so ridiculous.
Most of our guys are out in Chile but Andy has not gone out to join them yet, and, clearly, won't now do so.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 06:08 PM
I wonder if Dave will get the crowd to chant "Murray sh*t himself" (in similar vein to Hewitt, several years ago)? :lol:Only thing donut Dave will be shouting at the crowd is asking someone to get to the nearest bakery and keep it opened until he finishes his match.

sdtoot
01-30-2008, 06:09 PM
Most of our guys are out in Chile but Andy has not gone out to join them yet, and, clearly, won't now do so.

Yeh, I was wondering why Andy was still in London early this week and hadn't joined his teammates. :rolleyes:

Albop
01-30-2008, 06:11 PM
Gsm Gb

rocketassist
01-30-2008, 06:14 PM
He was offered a Vina del Mar WC. He turned it down, surprise surprise, when Baker and J Murray entered qualifying to get some practice in.

He was lazy under Gilbert's coaching as well.

Agassi Aces
01-30-2008, 06:16 PM
It's disappointing but we would have lost the tie anyway

Hugh Jaas
01-30-2008, 06:17 PM
Lloyd should never select him again.

You're a tool, Andy. Davis Cup is a great competition and representing your national team should be pride.

Of course he'll play Marseille, just like Gaudio used to miss Wimbledon 'injured' and recover for Gstaad or Bastad.

Murray, you're a mug.

He does have the talent to give the Argies a game- never show up to a big match with a defeatist attitude, he thinks we haven't got a hope, we had a slim chance before, so why not go for it?

Arseclown.



If Andy did play team gb would still be crushed so why is he a mug?! I am sorry but you are the Arseclown Andy Murray cares for Scotland not babysitting the team GB against Argentina.



Robert dee is now the only hope for team GB.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 06:17 PM
He was offered a Vina del Mar WC. He turned it down, surprise surprise, when Baker and J Murray entered qualifying to get some practice in.

He was lazy under Gilbert's coaching as well.
I think he's been anything but lazy, actually.

I just don't think this tie fits at all well with his aims for this part of the season.

Agassi Aces
01-30-2008, 06:18 PM
I do think Andy's work ethic increased over the winter. He probably turned down the Vina del Mar WC if he knew he was injured, but I'm sure the injury is genuine.

He was offered a Vina del Mar WC. He turned it down, surprise surprise, when Baker and J Murray entered qualifying to get some practice in.

He was lazy under Gilbert's coaching as well.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 06:19 PM
If Andy did play team gb would still be crushed so why is he a mug?! I am sorry but you are the Arseclown Andy Murray cares for Scotland not babysitting the team GB against Argentina.



Robert dee is now the only hope for team GB.
For the last time - Andy has no problem with representing Great Britain. He has been happy to do so in the past and will do in the future, in Davis Cup and in the Olympics. There isn't a separate Scottish national team in tennis so the issue does not arise.

Dan's Racket
01-30-2008, 06:27 PM
There goes any hope of picking up a rubber!

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 06:29 PM
Only thing donut Dave will be shouting at the crowd is asking someone to get to the nearest bakery and keep it opened until he finishes his match.

Can't he get enough bagels / breadsticks out of Baker, Boggo et al? :help:

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 06:29 PM
Can't he get enough bagels / breadsticks out of Baker, Boggo et al? :help:They will probably only play him in Dbls now

There goes any hope of picking up a rubber!Get to a chemist

Dan's Racket
01-30-2008, 06:35 PM
Get to a chemist

:lol: But i need something to rub out my pencil drawing.

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 06:36 PM
:lol:

Hugh Jaas
01-30-2008, 06:39 PM
It is a shame that Bogman and Baker have to waste a week getting pounded by the Argentinian players when they could be playing a challenger or futures tournament for the ranking points they desperately need.

ryan23
01-30-2008, 06:47 PM
GB may aswell not turn up,they got no chance

kaylee
01-30-2008, 06:57 PM
I agree without Murray they will lose. bah!

Rogieva
01-30-2008, 07:04 PM
Save the air miles and stay home GBR.

Stensland
01-30-2008, 07:34 PM
too bad dc gets so much publicity. you know, when my table tennis team knows that we're so gonna lose, we usually end up calling our opponents, invite them to a beer with a friendly white flag above our heads, get hammered, fill in the mandatory formsheet (with us losing but looking a little better than we would have since we pay for the beer) and give it to the supervisor the next day. "tough luck", he goes. "yeah, what can you do. at least we gave it a shot". ;)

i bet team britain would love to be able to do something like this. :D

sportsbag
01-30-2008, 07:35 PM
If you read Murray's statement he calls it a 'preventative measure'- to prevent aggravating the knee condition (diagnosed in 2004)by playing on different surfaces in a short space of time. Yes it's disappointing, but he has to make re-injuring himslf the top priority. In other countries there'd be no big deal - it's not Andy's fault there is no one to take his place.

TheBoiledEgg
01-30-2008, 07:36 PM
once a gutless wonder, always one :rolls:

kaylee
01-30-2008, 07:38 PM
I wouldn't say he is a gutless wonder but that is a poor excuse, Andy Roddick is jumping from hard court to clay and is not copping out and he has had numerous injuries. I agree DC doesn't get enough press as it is and now top players are being wusses and dropping out bah!

Farenhajt
01-30-2008, 07:40 PM
Hmm i think i'm gonna give up my interest in tennis the way things are going lately ..

We're patient, just take your time :D

Jaap
01-30-2008, 07:45 PM
once a gutless wonder, always one :rolls:

Says the person with Davydenko and Safin in their sig. :o

sportsbag
01-30-2008, 07:46 PM
Sorry - in my post above I meant to put "he has to make NOT re-injuring himslef the top priority".

Julio1974
01-30-2008, 07:50 PM
Argentina should play with Coria and Gaudio and it would be an exciting tie.

Denaon
01-30-2008, 07:51 PM
it's a pity for all argie tennis fans cause we were willing to watch Murray play here....:sad:

Allegretto
01-30-2008, 07:52 PM
Any chance of an Arvind Parmar comeback? :tape:

scoobs
01-30-2008, 07:53 PM
it's a pity for all argie tennis fans cause we were willing to watch Murray play here....:sad:
True - I mean you guys are gonna cheer your team to the skies, of course, but I'm sure you were hoping for a bit of competition, just to keep it interesting.

Duncan
01-30-2008, 07:54 PM
Any chance of an Arvind Parmar comeback? :tape:

The Arvinator could take all 5 rubbers without any fuss at all :cool:

kaylee
01-30-2008, 08:04 PM
bah here is the score Argentina 5, GB 0 (and I am a Brit too)

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 08:08 PM
I hope for our sakes that we don't get drawn to a tie on clay in September...little doubt that Muzza won't play that one, given that: (a) he would make the transition from US hard courts, to clay, to European indoors; (b) he could be competing for a Tennis Masters Cup place.

We're f*cked.

jonny84
01-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Damn shame.

Hopefully Jamie Murray can at least lead as to a doubles victory, otherwise :help:

jazar
01-30-2008, 09:13 PM
typical of the tartan twat. he's not really injured, he's just unpatriotic

Ivanatis
01-30-2008, 09:16 PM
they would hove lost anyway

he just missed a good chance to prepare for the clay court season on competitive level

Taz Warrior
01-30-2008, 09:34 PM
Disappointing :(

zicofirol
01-30-2008, 10:02 PM
Argentina should play with Coria and Gaudio and it would be an exciting tie.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Corey Feldman
01-30-2008, 10:05 PM
Argies could play Diego Maradona and Vilas and they'd still win this tie..

JimmyV
01-30-2008, 10:12 PM
Im a Murray fan and even I think thats really grimy.

Chris Seahorse
01-31-2008, 01:16 AM
Argentina may as well field Coria and Gaudio to build up their confidence.

:haha:

This really made me laugh a lot. The idea is so absurd and yet it is actually true also. I can't think of another sentence that could better sum up the sad plight of GB.

Thanks for this post. This makes up for a lot of annoying "F**k that loser *****. What a tool losing to *****" type posts, over the years.

krystlel
01-31-2008, 01:27 AM
As an indication of the level of the remaining British players, Jamie Baker entered the qualifying draw of Vina Del Mar and lost in the second round 6-1 6-3 to an Argentinean, Horacio Zeballos who currently has a ranking of 260, the 23rd highest ranked Argentinean player.

Action Jackson
01-31-2008, 01:28 AM
Argentina should play with Coria and Gaudio and it would be an exciting tie.

Hahaha.

I said in the DC thread, they could use Edgardo Massa and Brzezicki and win this 5-0, but at least it will be a good training run for Copa Telmex for the Argentine players.

Andi-M
01-31-2008, 01:54 AM
Well I have to be honest DC is not overly important to me as a tennis fan so im not that upset about this. I did want to see him play Nalby though!!

Muzza rest up....its all about your health why play meaningless DC ties injure yourself then miss half the season again!

Right decision even if over exaggerrated. Even with Muzza GB would lose 4-1 or 3-2anyway.

TheBoiledEgg
01-31-2008, 08:44 PM
anyone wanna bet if Muzza was playing for Scotland and not GB he would have played :o :o

decrepitude
01-31-2008, 09:16 PM
No, I don't think he would have played even if it had been for Scotland.

He is on a hiding to nothing. If he had gone, played badly and not won a single match, he would have been jumped on from a great height.

If he had gone, won a match, then got injured he would have been mocked as being "fragile". (And we would still have lost)

Or if he got through the tie safely then was injured again immediately he started playing on hard courts - see above reaction.

The knee problem is not new, he lost six months to it when a junior and it has caused problems at least once since he started the main tour - I can't remember when, but I do remember reading about it - at the time I had never heard of a bipartite patella. This knee problem is what makes it more of a problem for him to keep switching surfaces quickly than it would be for most players.

Britain does not "deserve" to be in the World Group when all we have is one player ranked higher than 187. The sooner we are out of it, playing at a lower level, and bringing on some of our youngsters - and we do have some decent youngsters - to form a new team at a level where they won't be swiped off the court and ridiculed by the press, the better.

gogogirl
02-06-2008, 11:51 PM
Hey All,

Y'all seen the below? I looked for it.

Anyballs, I'll say!


Murray boys at war as absent Andy feels full force of Jamie volley
By MIKE DICKSON in Buenos Aires - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:42pm on 6th February 2008

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Andy Murray received a stinging rebuke from brother Jamie last night for pulling out of tomorrow's Davis Cup tie against Argentina.

In a surprisingly frank response to the British No 1 Andy's withdrawal from the World Group match, Jamie made clear the team's sense of abandonment and his own personal disappointment at his younger brother's no-show.



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He suggested that Andy's knee problems were a convenient excuse for not making the trip and said that he had still not spoken with him about the decision, and that he had no intention of getting in touch.

Given the closeness of the two - they even live together in south west London - his words are bound to hurt as the British number one prepares for next week's run-of-the-mill ATP event in Marseilles rather than representing his country against the formidable Argentinians.

And while Jamie felt able to speak out it sounds like his sentiments are shared by others, including good friends such as team members Jamie Baker and Ross Hutchins.

"It kind of affects the way we feel about him," said Murray senior, as he and his colleagues prepared for the inevitable pounding they will take between now and Sunday.

"I think it's disappointing that he chose not to come. From what I have been reading he hasn't come out and said he's injured, it's more a prevention thing. I think if he had really wanted to push himself he could have come here.

"He obviously felt it was more important for him to concentrate on going to Marseilles and doing well rather than coming here."

Jamie then went on to say that he had no idea there was a doubt about Andy's Davis Cup participation and that he had been kept in the dark along with captain John Lloyd.

"It was a shock to me and for the team it's very disappointing. I wasn't aware he had a problem. I last spoke to him in Australia just before he left."

There will not be any conciliatory phone calls home either, by the sounds of it, and their next boys' night in at Andy's flat could be a decidedly glum affair.

"I don't see why I should go to him," said Jamie." There's not really much to say. I'm here working hard for the team and trying to do my best and he is at home doing whatever he is doing.

"From his point of view he doesn't need to apologise for it because he has taken his decision not to come for his tennis, or whatever.

"He had the ability to win two singles matches here. He is in the top ten in the world and it's not by fluke. He plays better with the crowd against him and his back is against the wall. I don't think it's that he doesn't enjoy playing in the Davis Cup.

"For us it is going to be an incredible atmosphere and we have to try and embrace the situation and do what we can."

Although Lloyd has refused to criticise Murray Jnr. - his is a difficult position as he has only one world class player - there was apparently consternation in the camp when the news came through while they were training in Chile last week.

With the Argentinians led by the bruising David Nalbandian on slow clay in front of fanatical support, Britain will struggle to avoid a record defeat in the five-rubber match.

Andy Murray's representatives emphasise that he took his decision with a heavy heart, that his knee is a constant concern and that he was strongly influenced by the fact that he has a mass of ranking points to defend on different surfaces over the hectic next two months.

But regardless of anything else, what this familial spat shows is that the British number one really needs to work on his PR and communication skills, evidently with those he is close to as much as the wider world.

Being single-minded is not a crime - actually a necessity in tennis - but a phone call to his captain or colleagues would not have been asking too much, and the manner of his withdrawal has clearly exacerbated the situation.

There is also acute annoyance within the Lawn Tennis Association, who have funded him handsomely, that he has continued to use their facilities at Roehampton in the last week without so much as a personal word of explanation.

He has left his team-mates to it, and on Tuesday here they got a taste of what lies in store when 400 locals turned up and noisily watched them practice. "What they were saying was not exactly "Welcome to our lovely country'," smiled Lloyd.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/tennis.html?in_article_id=512706&in_page_id=1956

l_mac
02-06-2008, 11:54 PM
Ouch.

Corey Feldman
02-07-2008, 12:01 AM
hehe Big Bro Muz

thats what i love about this clan - they say what they think and dont give ...

even when to slag of each other :yeah:

krystlel
02-07-2008, 12:02 AM
Looks like Jamie isn't particularly pleased by Murray's decision. I didn't expect that he'd come out with those comments publicly. I guess the general consensus seems to be that he could have played but had chosen not to. I'm sure the problem with the changing of surfaces could have easily been fixed by withdrawing from Marseille.

The manner in which he withdrew leaves a lot to be desired since it's a whole lot easier to write a press statement explaining your disappointment and dedication to Davis Cup than actually saying it.

pochoster
02-07-2008, 02:04 AM
the british team. :rolleyes: Argentina will not have mercy on them will Jamie Baker win a set in the tie?

danton
02-07-2008, 04:17 AM
Good for you Jamie - even if Andy had a decent reason could he not also have the manners to pick up the phone.

NinaNina19
02-07-2008, 04:32 AM
It would be funny if Britain won. The odds for them winning this match-up should be one to a million.

Action Jackson
02-07-2008, 04:34 AM
Well said Jamie.

NinaNina19
02-07-2008, 05:06 AM
Well said Jamie.
I don't see why people are so upset. It was a precaution Andy had to make. He's missed enough tennis due to injuries and he doesn't need to risk his health for a tie at Davis Cup they will probably lose. He has a lot of points to defend and he needs to get his ranking up for RG. He's going to be playing a lot of tennis in the upcoming weeks and switching from surface to surface for DC would be stupid.

Action Jackson
02-07-2008, 05:16 AM
I don't see why people are so upset. It was a precaution Andy had to make. He's missed enough tennis due to injuries and he doesn't need to risk his health for a tie at Davis Cup they will probably lose. He has a lot of points to defend and he needs to get his ranking up for RG. He's going to be playing a lot of tennis in the upcoming weeks and switching from surface to surface for DC would be stupid.

It doesn't matter where he is ranked for RG. He isn't going to do well there anyway. The guy was injured for months last year.

Clay is easier on the body anyone with a basic clue understands this. He could have just told them he wasn't playing in advance, not like this, but Andy can do no wrong in your eyes.

Then again he didn't want to be slapped around in front of 16 000 people.

Merton
02-07-2008, 05:26 AM
I do not understand why players do not just say they are not available. Nothing wrong with that, provided that they do not land from an helicopter or something to pose as saviors in later ties. Good for Jamie for calling out his brother.

Horatio Caine
02-07-2008, 09:37 AM
Well said Jamie.

Yep. It needed to be said.

Allegretto
02-07-2008, 03:36 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/2zf8wuq.jpg

What a fearsome line-up.

jazar
02-07-2008, 03:45 PM
even andy murray's own brother is criticising him, lol. what a loser

rocketassist
02-07-2008, 03:48 PM
He's a coward. At least Hewitt turned up to face the hostile crowd!

Jaap
02-07-2008, 03:49 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/2zf8wuq.jpg

What a fearsome line-up.

Argentina has never seen a bigger collection of mugs.....since the Scottish football team went there for the 78 world cup.

Jimnik
02-07-2008, 03:58 PM
Jamie :worship:

I still can't get over Andy's decision. He totally ruined the tie.

Horatio Caine
02-07-2008, 04:05 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/2zf8wuq.jpg

Erm...remind me, which one ISN'T playing? :tape:


...Boggo looks like he has perhaps had one too many visits to the vineyard...Jamie and Lloydy are practically holding him up. :o

tangerine_dream
02-07-2008, 04:36 PM
Andy has no heart. It's typical wussy behavior from Muzza. Is he the unofficial leader of the British DC team? What a way to lead. :o I'm embarrassed for him.

stebs
02-07-2008, 05:11 PM
Clay is easier on the body anyone with a basic clue understands this.

I don't agree with the decision Murray has made here but I will pull you up here.

This comment was made in reference to nina saying that changing surfaces (hard to clay to hard) is bad for the body. Yes clay is easier on joints etc... but it doesn't nullify the point. Transitions between surfaces take the biggest toll and you know that.

decrepitude
02-07-2008, 06:42 PM
I can understand the resentment at Andy pulling out the way he did, but I can't understand the support for Jamie's criticism.

In the past, Andy has been very strong in his support of Jamie. If Jamie is upset, then call him, text him or whatever and blast him - but to use the Press to vent his annoyance is, to my mind, distasteful.

Corey Feldman
02-07-2008, 07:27 PM
I say good on you Andy Muzza

save energy for other things, we are gonna get thrashed with or without him

i dont care if that sounds unpatriotic, welcome to Davis Cup thesedays.

RickDaStick
02-07-2008, 07:30 PM
I say good on you Andy Muzza

save energy for other things, we are gonna get thrashed with or without him

i dont care if that sounds unpatriotic, welcome to Davis Cup thesedays.


:yawn:

Allegretto
02-07-2008, 07:43 PM
If Jamie is upset, then call him, text him or whatever and blast him - but to use the Press to vent his annoyance is, to my mind, distasteful.
That's just tit for tat though, isn't it? Andy didn't call anyone to say he was pulling out. The first John Lloyd or anyone else heard about it was when Murray's people put out a statement. According to the BBC Lloyd spoke to Murray on the phone this week, and that was the first time they'd spoken since the statement was made as well.

Personally I don't really care about Andy pulling out (other than being disappointed at not getting to see him face Dahveed), but the way he did it wasn't right at all. It's fair enough if Jamie is having a go at him via the press, since that's how Andy handled things in the first place.

Andi-M
02-08-2008, 12:04 AM
Andy has a right to do whatever he wants, and as a fellow teammate he should PUBLICLY support him. What he gains out of slagging his bro off via the press I dont know.

shotgun
02-08-2008, 12:16 AM
No team spirit by Andy whatsoever. Respect to the ones who were brave enough to show up.

jayjay
02-08-2008, 01:19 AM
Argentina has never seen a bigger collection of mugs.....since the Scottish football team went there for the 78 world cup.

:lol:

adee-gee
02-08-2008, 01:23 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7233379.stm

Andy Murray has assured GB captain John Lloyd that he will be available for future Davis Cup matches including a potential play-off later this year.

Murray misses this weekend's tie in Argentina, much to the annoyance of LTA officials and team-mates, but has told the captain it is a one-off.

"I've spoken to Andy and we had a good chat," Lloyd told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"He said it's a one-off and he's available for our next match, which is great news."

Murray pulled out of the World Group tie in Buenos Aires last Wednesday, saying he didn't want to risk injury by switching from hard courts to clay and back again.

The Scot announced the news on his website and left his London-based agent to call the captain.

But in a phone conversation with Lloyd this week, the first direct contact between the pair since the shock news, the British number one made himself available for the next match, either a quarter-final in April or a September play-off.

"I told him on the phone I was sorry for him because this will be a great occasion whatever happens and told him I felt he had the ability to win both matches," said Lloyd.

Jamie Murray, who earlier criticised his younger brother's withdrawal, has revealed he has still yet to speak with Andy about the controversial move.

"We haven't spoken at all," he told 5 Live. "I was just told by John.

"I was shocked because I spoke to him the day before he was due to fly out and he didn't mention anything."

Would he have expected a call? "Not really, that's just the way he is."

Lloyd, who had occasional tiffs with his own brother David on Davis Cup trips, doesn't believe the row will affect future morale.

"You have a few little disagreements but the bottom line is you're brothers. I don't think there'll be any problems in the future, we're all a bit frustrated about this match but we're moving on now.

"They have a great relationship, you only have to look at the way Andy reacts when Jamie's playing - he's more nervous than anyone.

"That's what being brothers is about. You're going to have a few little niggles but the bottom line is we're all going to be fine."

Good lad, I still don't think it makes this right but I'm glad he's not going to give up on DC.

Action Jackson
02-08-2008, 02:33 AM
I don't agree with the decision Murray has made here but I will pull you up here.

This comment was made in reference to nina saying that changing surfaces (hard to clay to hard) is bad for the body. Yes clay is easier on joints etc... but it doesn't nullify the point. Transitions between surfaces take the biggest toll and you know that.

You just want an argument for the sake of an argument. He is using the transition of surfaces as an excuse to justify pulling out and that's all it is.

If he didn't want to play fine, just say so, no need to use this an excuse.

Corey Feldman
02-08-2008, 12:07 PM
Argentina has never seen a bigger collection of mugs.....since the Scottish football team went there for the 78 world cup.That was the second best team in the world at the time ;) , we just brought the best out of solid teams like Iran and Peru - how unlucky can you get.