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Echagaray's meltdown in Dallas

The Tennis Guru
01-29-2008, 09:00 PM
Something very extraordinary happened today at the Dallas Challenger. Bruno Echagaray was serving 5-6 down in the tiebreak against Jesse Witten, hit the first serve in the net, and was then foot faulted on the second serve to lose the match! He was up a double break in that set and his reaction after losing the match was one of complete shock and then he went mad throwing the racket across the court and attacking his chair... The complete match can be downloaded from http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/pages.cfm?gpt=3&g=438&id=436

Alonsofz
01-29-2008, 09:00 PM
:haha:

The Tennis Guru
01-29-2008, 09:03 PM
Something very extraordinary happened today at the Dallas Challenger. Bruno Echagaray was serving at 5-6 down in the deciding tiebreak, hit the first serve in the net, and was then foot faulted (!) for the first time in the match on the second serve to lose the match. Echagaray's reaction was one of complete shock and then he went mad throwing his racket across the court and attacking the chair where he'd been sitting at change-overs. The complete match can be downloaded from http://braingame.dartfishnet.com/pages.cfm?gpt=3&g=438&id=436
Has anyone ever seen anyone lose a close professional match on a foot fault before?

krakenzero
01-29-2008, 09:11 PM
simply amazing. Poor guy.... anyway, he manages anger very well.

tennissukz
01-29-2008, 09:12 PM
Wow, thanks for taping the match...I've never seen a call, or a chair attacked, like that before.

TMJordan
01-29-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't think you can make that call on 2nd serve at MP, it didn't even look like a foot falut!

Andre♥
01-29-2008, 09:16 PM
Wow, thanks for taping the match...I've never seen a call, or a chair attacked, like that before.

Safin did it in Estoril against Davydenko in 2006! :haha:

LeChuck
01-29-2008, 09:18 PM
Thanks for the link. :lol: Hilarious stuff with Bruno throwing his racket over to the other side of the court, and turning over that chair.

Spes
01-29-2008, 09:19 PM
The guy who runs the tournament/club came to my town last week and helped me with my mental game. :lol: He told us there would be a challenger at his club next week but I didn't think anything of it.

I hope he talks to this guy about the mental side of tennis, he clearly needs it. :o

Spes
01-29-2008, 09:23 PM
The guy commentating is the one who came. Small world. :lol:

stebs
01-29-2008, 09:24 PM
Ridiculous call to make at that time.

MissMelly2U
01-29-2008, 09:29 PM
Ridiculous call to make at that time.

I'd say that it was a ridiculous mistake to make at that time;)

Young Boss
01-29-2008, 09:33 PM
wow. sucks to be that guy right now.

Renaud
01-29-2008, 09:33 PM
I feel sorry for Echagaray...

Renaud
01-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Hum... was sure there were at least 10 posts in this thread...

Edit : ok twice the same thread... :p

zicofirol
01-29-2008, 10:03 PM
haha what a tool...

just saw it, you cant see really good from that camera, if it wasnt a foot fault then what a **** of a line judge, if it was then bruno has nothing to bitch about.

Komodo
01-29-2008, 10:05 PM
There is no fucking way that that was a foot fault.
It wasn't even remotely close.

That lines woman obviously thought that the american player had been taking his match to the edge enough.

Shameful. It really is; I feel bad for Echa as well.

Komodo
01-30-2008, 12:09 AM
Make your voice heard in support for Bruno Echagaray! :angel:

This really was scandalous.

Stensland
01-30-2008, 12:25 AM
so this is what a challenger tournament looks like. always wondered. and for it being in the united states, it's shittier than i imagined; i don't wanna know what south american challengers look like.

leftyserve
01-30-2008, 12:37 AM
Make your voice heard in support for Bruno Echagaray! :angel:

This really was scandalous.

Agreed. It's about as shameful as it comes. These guys play their hearts out at these challengers, and to have it taken away at match point like that....All support to Bruno on this one.

Hugh Jaas
01-30-2008, 12:41 AM
That call against Bruno is about the most outrageous call I've ever seen anywhere. First, it didn't even look like an actual foot fault. Second, to call it for the first time on match point in a third set tiebreak? Shocking. These guys on the challenger circuit fight like hell for every match for little money. And for someone to lose that way? It's just a disgrace.


FOOT FAULT?

http://i29.tinypic.com/1z6f3ok.jpg

I am sorry but NO WAY is that a foot fault.

Either the lines person is blind or wants to get one over the Mexican. A dark day for challenger level tennis.

This eclipses the unranked players buying wildcards for ranking points (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5205-1608380,00.html) farce a few years ago.

danton
01-30-2008, 12:52 AM
That was not a foot fault - appalling on match point, I guess while you don't get the best tennis players at Challengers you also do get the best lines people.

NOT a foot fault.

Love how everyone is ignoring him when he's trashing the chair.

savesthedizzle
01-30-2008, 12:58 AM
Oh man, that's awful.

mangoes
01-30-2008, 01:01 AM
I can't really say his actions were terrible. I would have also been pissed if I had received a foot fault on mp.

MisterQ
01-30-2008, 01:12 AM
That was sad to watch.

mdjenders
01-30-2008, 04:17 AM
I am surprised he didn't berate the linesperson more, although we missed the part off screen where he was smashing his babolat in her face. Another thing, look how little room there is behind the baseline, and then there is that center line judge standing there. Nadal would be all over that guy back there slamming into him with his racquet take back.

RogerFan82
01-30-2008, 04:21 AM
Poor Guy!!! I can feel his anger!! That was not a foot fault.

azza
01-30-2008, 04:26 AM
hahaha talk about favouritsm for American players :o

Kolya
01-30-2008, 04:55 AM
Thats tennis?

:lol:

Labamba
01-30-2008, 07:23 AM
:lol:

poor guy, shameful call

Minotaur
01-30-2008, 07:32 AM
That's shameful of course. But what was Echagaray complaining about?

He was up 5*1 in the 3rd set, had an actual mp at 65* on Jesse's serve, had his chances in a tie-break.

It wouln't be such a situation if he had completed match earlier.

baghdatis
01-30-2008, 08:27 AM
Foot Fault On 1st serve=Deal with it. 2nd serve and Match Point=Shameful

:rolleyes:

Action Jackson
01-30-2008, 08:33 AM
Was it Norm Chryst's son that was calling the lines.

CooCooCachoo
01-30-2008, 08:47 AM
Wow, thanks for taping the match...I've never seen a call, or a chair attacked, like that before.

He didn't tape it :lol: It's just the great site of the Challenger.

CooCooCachoo
01-30-2008, 08:49 AM
so this is what a challenger tournament looks like. always wondered. and for it being in the united states, it's shittier than i imagined; i don't wanna know what south american challengers look like.

Dallas is not representative for all Challengers :rolleyes: There are many different types of Challengers. And BTW Dallas is one of the most professional events :shrug:

Your comment about South American Challenger is also ill-founded. The Copa Petrobras series at the end of the season are some of the biggest events on the Challenger Tour.

alelysafina
01-30-2008, 10:08 AM
poor bruno, that was a shitty line call.

gusman890
01-30-2008, 10:15 AM
HAHA

that was funny.

virex
01-30-2008, 10:35 AM
fixed!

never in doubt.

this linesman is good

bla bla bla

scoobs
01-30-2008, 11:26 AM
Ridiculous call to make at that time.

You're saying that a linejudge can only call a footfault on non-crucial points?

I love how people are shouting how shameful the call is and doing on the basis of a screencap from behind the player.

There's no way you can tell for sure from that camera angle if the call is correct or not.

Stensland
01-30-2008, 11:42 AM
Dallas is not representative for all Challengers :rolleyes: There are many different types of Challengers. And BTW Dallas is one of the most professional events :shrug:

Your comment about South American Challenger is also ill-founded. The Copa Petrobras series at the end of the season are some of the biggest events on the Challenger Tour.

south america just came to mind because alexander waske usually refers to those challengers as the worst, so i believed him. back in 06 when we were playing france in davis cup in halle and the umpire had to calm down the audience because of some weird call, they had waske on in the commentator's cabin, saying that it's a joke. he's been to challengers where the atmosphere was worse, people spitting at you, trying to bully you on the way to the courts and all sorts of things. then he and his co-commentator had a conversation about the general circumstances of clay challengers in south america. i don't think he was lying.

JMG
01-30-2008, 12:25 PM
south america just came to mind because alexander waske usually refers to those challengers as the worst, so i believed him. back in 06 when we were playing france in davis cup in halle and the umpire had to calm down the audience because of some weird call, they had waske on in the commentator's cabin, saying that it's a joke. he's been to challengers where the atmosphere was worse, people spitting at you, trying to bully you on the way to the courts and all sorts of things. then he and his co-commentator had a conversation about the general circumstances of clay challengers in south america. i don't think he was lying.

I can't see any tournaments in SA in Waske's career activity except Quito. I think Waske was only talking about the chair incident in a Daviscup match in Chile.

What did you mean is so shitty about this Dallas challenger? :confused:

Caio_Brasil
01-30-2008, 12:29 PM
poor Bruno...

cheated on match point
lost the brain and destroyed the chair
will probably get a ban (if Malisse did, he must be given too)

Caio_Brasil
01-30-2008, 12:33 PM
south america just came to mind because alexander waske usually refers to those challengers as the worst, so i believed him. back in 06 when we were playing france in davis cup in halle and the umpire had to calm down the audience because of some weird call, they had waske on in the commentator's cabin, saying that it's a joke. he's been to challengers where the atmosphere was worse, people spitting at you, trying to bully you on the way to the courts and all sorts of things. then he and his co-commentator had a conversation about the general circumstances of clay challengers in south america. i don't think he was lying.

So, now Waske is the lord of the truth? :rolleyes:

I watch Copa Petrobras matches every year and it never has a problem like that...

Also, I watched the whole São Paulo challenger this year live and nothing like that happened...

but if Waske said South Americans Challengers are this way, who are we to say he is wrong :shrug:

"people spitting at you, trying to bully you on the way to the courts"

No way...

virex
01-30-2008, 12:44 PM
me too.
i´ve been to every single challenger in brazil and never saw anything like that...

in fact, tennis fans here are more nice to the foreigners then to their compatriots....

back at the echagaray´s meltdown, i thought of thomaz bellucci. after losing in belo horizonte last year, he threw his racket to his chair, but ended up hitting the umpire in the head. :worship:

Komodo
01-30-2008, 12:52 PM
Vai, don't bother, the dude has no clue.

I mean how can you have so many posts on a tennis message board and have an opinion about just about anything and then write "So that is what a challenger looks like - I always wondered".

Rrainer, why don't you just go to one close to you, I promise that you'll see top tier tennis and proximity to the players that you don't get on ATP events.


Regarding what happened here, there are several possible reasons why this happened:
-The lines woman wanted her big moment of power in life. Not so implausible if you think that these lines people are totally random.

-She just wanted to support the american player, being a good american herself,

and finally, and the most probable:
-The lines woman desperately needed a bathroom break already since the middle of the second set, and now these stupid tennis players were playing an endless third set tiebreak.
Something needed to be done quickly, or she would wet herself on the court!
That would be suiting for this stupid hag!


Oh, and to "Scoobs", why don't you go and look at the video yourself instead of claiming that it can't be judged by looking at a picture.
Yes,the footage is from aposterior view, but there is no way that it is a foot fault.

scoobs
01-30-2008, 12:59 PM
Oh, and to "Scoobs", why don't you go and look at the video yourself instead of claiming that it can't be judged by looking at a picture.
Yes,the footage is from aposterior view, but there is no way that it is a foot fault.
Already did that!

Same opinion!

But thanks :)

muniu
01-30-2008, 03:02 PM
moron I lost bec of him :fiery:

marcelwks
01-30-2008, 03:51 PM
you can see this situation here -> http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=DnQp9YoLl68

scoobs
01-30-2008, 03:57 PM
It doesn't really look like a footfault from that angle but that is a poor angle to view it from, as I said earlier.

It's done now, oh well.

Stensland
01-30-2008, 03:58 PM
I can't see any tournaments in SA in Waske's career activity except Quito. I think Waske was only talking about the chair incident in a Daviscup match in Chile.

What did you mean is so shitty about this Dallas challenger? :confused:

i don't know about waske's activity down there but i guess he talks to people on the tour. why would he want to badmouth south american challengers? there's just no point in that, nobody cares here anyways. :shrug:

well, and the shitty thing is that it pretty much looks like the kind of court i usually play on. http://www.tennishalle-eichenhof.de/
i always thought challenger courts gotta be at least a little better than the place "we" amateurs play on - but obviously it's not that far away.

@ komodo

you're quite a smartmouth for someone who just came onto the mtf-scene. who are you to judge me anyways? you read 4 lines by some random poster you never talked to before and yet you think you have it all figured out, personality, attitude, interest in tennis etc.? you might wanna tone it down a bit, thank you.

Horatio Caine
01-30-2008, 03:59 PM
The commentary of the temper tantrum :haha: :haha: :haha: