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BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 05:16 PM
For me AO, is a very successful tournament. The only loophole is Roger is not on his best form. But I would'nt take anything from Nole because he beats him in straight sets.

Now, 3 more slams are coming, who are the contenders? who are the spoilers?

RG:
1. Rafael Nadal- He is still the King of Clay.
2. Roger Federer- He is still the man to beat on any surface.
3. David Ferrer- I really this guy giving it all at this years RG.
4. Novak Djokovic- I'm not really what he can put on the table comes clay season. ( But who cares? He just won the last slam)

Spoilers: Davidenko, Nalbandian, Tsonga, Gasquet


Wimbledon:
1. Roger Federer- Grass will suits his game better and will be more confident on this surface
far second..................
2. Novak Djokovic- This is a fast court. He knows how to set-up from the baseline and he knows how to volley now.

All others would just be spoilers. I want to put Nadal as a contender but I'm afraid all others (big servers) would beat him in ealier rounds.

US Open:
1. Roger Federer and close second Noval Djokovic.
Nole is being loved now by the US fans and playing the best hardcourt tennis and Roger trying to break Sampras record of 14 slams.
This is gonna be a big fight.

Nalbandian can still come up in the mix if he can get his game together like he did later part of the year last year.

Nadal does'nt come close to a semis in US Open before.


END of the year ranking:
1. Roger Federer
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Rafael Nadal

RagingLamb
01-29-2008, 05:30 PM
I'm not sure why you don't think Nadal is a contender at Wimbledon. and why you think Davydenko can be a spoiler on any surface.

And I'm not sure I understand your ranking prediction. You think Roger is still going to rack up more points than anyone else at the end of the year?

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 05:52 PM
I duno, Its just that Nadal at Wimbledon is just a long shot for me considering a lot of big servers comming in now.

As for Roger's ranking, He is too way up! the only way he could be catch is by 2009.

hiperborejac
01-29-2008, 05:58 PM
For me AO, is a very successful tournament. The only loophole is Roger is not on his best form. But I would'nt take anything from Nole because he beats him in straight sets.

Now, 3 more slams are coming, who are the contenders? who are the spoilers?

RG:
1. Rafael Nadal- He is still the King of Clay.
2. Roger Federer- He is still the man to beat on any surface.
3. Novak Djokovic- I'm not really what he can put on the table comes clay season. ( But who cares? He just won the last slam)

Spoilers: Davidenko, Nalbandian, Tsonga, Gasquet


Wimbledon:
1. Roger Federer- Grass will suits his game better and will be more confident on this surface
far second..................
2. Novak Djokovic- This is a fast court. He knows how to set-up from the baseline and he knows how to volley now.

All others would just be spoilers. I want to put Nadal as a contender but I'm afraid all others (big servers) would beat him in ealier rounds.

US Open:
1. Roger Federer and close second Noval Djokovic.
Nole is being loved now by the US fans and playing the best hardcourt tennis and Roger trying to break Sampras record of 14 slams.
This is gonna be a big fight.

Nalbandian can still come up in the mix if he can get his game together like he did later part of the year last year.

Nadal does'nt come close to a semis in US Open before.


END of the year ranking:
1. Roger Federer
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Rafael Nadal

Agree in almost everything. I think Djoko will be more consistent on clay cause made better schedule this year and so will be fit enough.
It will be very interesting for Tsonga as I think he can challenge both Fed and Djoko on hard/grass courts. Also will be very interesting to see his games on clay with regard to he played only one pro match (1.rd RG 2005 lost to Roddick!!!)

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:12 PM
Agree in almost everything. I think Djoko will be more consistent on clay cause made better schedule this year and so will be fit enough.
It will be very interesting for Tsonga as I think he can challenge both Fed and Djoko on hard/grass courts. Also will be very interesting to see his games on clay with regard to he played only one pro match (1.rd RG 2005 lost to Roddick!!!)


Hasn't Nole only dropped Estoril? Hardly a major change - in fact no change at all because the clay season is one week shorter. He's still due to play at least one round of Davis Cup and 5 hard court tournaments before the clay season starts.

stebs
01-29-2008, 06:15 PM
why you think Davydenko can be a spoiler on any surface.

Davydenko should currently be accpeted as the fourth best in the world on clay and he likes aking the ball early, he has better chances than most to beat Nadal on clay (though still slim), see Rome, maybe the best match of the year. He is also probably as good as Federer on clay when he plays well, choked away what should've been a very close 5 setter at RG last year and turned into a straight sets win.

Hilarious that you should challenge his inclusion when he has such credentials and is a good player whereas Tsonga has shown nothing on clay as of yet and it is unlikely his game will suit. Plus Gasquet is nowhere near Davydenko as well.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Davydenko should currently be accpeted as the fourth best in the world on clay and he likes aking the ball early, he has better chances than most to beat Nadal on clay (though still slim), see Rome, maybe the best match of the year. He is also probably as good as Federer on clay when he plays well, choked away what should've been a very close 5 setter at RG last year and turned into a straight sets win.

Hilarious that you should challenge his inclusion when he has such credentials and is a good player whereas Tsonga has shown nothing on clay as of yet and it is unlikely his game will suit. Plus Gasquet is nowhere near Davydenko as well.


My point exactly.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Davydenko should currently be accpeted as the fourth best in the world on clay and he likes aking the ball early, he has better chances than most to beat Nadal on clay (though still slim), see Rome, maybe the best match of the year. He is also probably as good as Federer on clay when he plays well, choked away what should've been a very close 5 setter at RG last year and turned into a straight sets win.

Hilarious that you should challenge his inclusion when he has such credentials and is a good player whereas Tsonga has shown nothing on clay as of yet and it is unlikely his game will suit. Plus Gasquet is nowhere near Davydenko as well.

4th best? Who's the 3rd? Not Nole, surely??

stebs
01-29-2008, 06:26 PM
4th best? Who's the 3rd? Not Nole, surely??

Well, the third place is up for grabs I think, Djokovic is still a little behind Davydenko in terms of clay courts but it could be argued that they are close. I said fourth because it is basically impossible to argue that Davydenko is any lower than that.

siddy
01-29-2008, 06:27 PM
My bets as far as final results are concerned:
French Open - Nadal
Wimbledon - Roger
US Open - Could go either way: Right now looks like a toss-up between Djoker and Roger. I'm going with Roger at this stage but anything could happen.

As far as the year-end rankings are concerned I don't expect it to be very easy for Roger this time since he's most likely not going to win three slams this year. Even if he ends at #1, it'll be by a very narrow margin and will probably depend greatly on how Djoker fares during the clay season and Rafa during the hard court season.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:33 PM
Well, the third place is up for grabs I think, Djokovic is still a little behind Davydenko in terms of clay courts but it could be argued that they are close. I said fourth because it is basically impossible to argue that Davydenko is any lower than that.


Until I see differently, I'd definitely put him 3rd on clay.

No doubt Nole could have a superb clay season with vastly improved play from last year, but I didn't think he was that impressive on the dirt last season and his RG draw was soft. In my opinion.

hiperborejac
01-29-2008, 06:45 PM
Hasn't Nole only dropped Estoril? Hardly a major change - in fact no change at all because the clay season is one week shorter. He's still due to play at least one round of Davis Cup and 5 hard court tournaments before the clay season starts.

Also dropped Rotterdam and Dubai.
http://www.novak-djokovic.com/eng/tournaments/novak_schedule.php

Estoril is one of hardest clay events because of weather conditions (very windy out there). Also he changed his game in terms of shortening points (we will see how it works in clay). He has some bad circumstances last year like playing Hamburg 2 matches in same day (R16 & QF because of rain). So if he concentrates his energy only for clay AMS i think we can expect much better results...

richie21
01-29-2008, 06:45 PM
Wimbledon:
1. Roger Federer- Grass will suits his game better and will be more confident on this surface
far second..................
2. Novak Djokovic- This is a fast court. He knows how to set-up from the baseline and he knows how to volley now.

All others would just be spoilers. I want to put Nadal as a contender but I'm afraid all others (big servers) would beat him in ealier rounds.


Gasquet on grass is a huge contender(he has won 2 titles on grass and made a Wimbledon 1/2 final).
I think he would have already troubled Federer last year had it not been for the ridiculous scheduling of the Wimbledon organisers.
It's by the way really hilarious you put Gasquet as a contender for the FO(whereas clay is his worst surface) and not for Wimbledon

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:46 PM
Until I see differently, I'd definitely put him 3rd on clay.

No doubt Nole could have a superb clay season with vastly improved play from last year, but I didn't think he was that impressive on the dirt last season and his RG draw was soft. In my opinion.

You could be right but I'm afraid your opinion is based on your disaapointment that's its not Nadal that is taking out Roger outside of clay.

I really think, Novak improved so much specially his serve and his volleys. I think clay season would be very good for him as he could only rack up points to take out nadal as the number 2 in the world.

CmonAussie
01-29-2008, 06:48 PM
...............
~~~~~~~~Ferrer will win FO!!!

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:49 PM
Gasquet on grass is a huge contender(he has won 2 titles on grass and made a Wimbledon 1/2 final).
I think he would have already troubled Federer last year had it not been for the ridiculous scheduling of the Wimbledon organisers.
It's by the way really hilarious you put Gasquet as a contender for the FO(whereas clay is his worst surface) and not for Wimbledon


Another excuses! There's no doubt that Gasquest is a very talented player but I really dont see him stepping up at bigger matches. Not until he beats a nadal/federer/nole in a Grandslam quarter or semis.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:50 PM
...............
~~~~~~~~Ferrer will win FO!!!


O shock! my big mistake!

I forgot about him at RG.

I would definitely put him on my contender list

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:51 PM
Also dropped Rotterdam and Dubai.
http://www.novak-djokovic.com/eng/tournaments/novak_schedule.php

Estoril is one of hardest clay events because of weather conditions (very windy out there). Also he changed his game in terms of shortening points (we will see how it works in clay). He has some bad circumstances last year like playing Hamburg 2 matches in same day (R16 & QF because of rain). So if he concentrates his energy only for clay AMS i think we can expect much better results...

He's on the entry list for both Rotterdam and Dubai. Which means he's told the TD he's coming, which means if he does withdraw he'll need to be injured or do it well in advance :)

You could be right but I'm afraid your opinion is based on your disaapointment that's its not Nadal that is taking out Roger outside of clay.

I really think, Novak improved so much specially his serve and his volleys. I think clay season would be very good for him as he could only rack up points to take out nadal as the number 2 in the world.

Serve and volley? Yes. Very successful clay tactics.

I also think he has a great chance to be #2 after the clay season, but I don't think he'll win the FO :shrug:

richie21
01-29-2008, 06:53 PM
Another excuses! There's no doubt that Gasquest is a very talented player but I really dont see him stepping up at bigger matches. Not until he beats a nadal/federer/nole in a Grandslam quarter or semis.

At Wimbledon,he has made a 1/2 final beating Roddick who has achieved more things on grass than Djokovic or even Nadal(Nadal and Djokovic have still yet to win a tournament on grass).....so i don't see why Djokovic should be rated higher than Gasquet on that surface.
Obviously,on hardcourt and clay,Djokovic is much superior to Gasquet.

pascal'rG
01-29-2008, 06:53 PM
Tsonga and Gasquet will be good contenders for Wimbledon...
Gasquet is really strong on grass and Tsonga really has the game to be good on it too.

On the other hand, clay is not their best surface even if gasquet beat federer on it.
There is too much pressure in RG for Gasquet but PHM could be a good contender if he has a decent draw...

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:54 PM
He's on the entry list for both Rotterdam and Dubai. Which means he's told the TD he's coming, which means if he does withdraw he'll need to be injured or do it well in advance :)



Serve and volley? Yes. Very successful clay tactics.

I also think he has a great chance to be #2 after the clay season, but I don't think he'll win the FO :shrug:

I did'nt mean serve and volley. I said He can serve better now ( better placement and harder) and he can also volley now except last year. Also I dont really see Nole winning a slam back to back yet, specially not on clay.

I just pencil in Ferrer for RG- He is definitely a contender side by side with Nadal!

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 06:58 PM
At Wimbledon,he has made a 1/2 final beating Roddick who has achieved more things on grass than Djokovic or even Nadal(Nadal and Djokovic have still yet to win a tournament on grass).....so i don't see why Djokovic should be rated higher than Gasquet on that surface.
Obviously,on hardcourt and clay,Djokovic is much superior to Gasquet.

beating Roddick?:lol:

I'm telling you, Hardcourt could be Novaks territory but I dont see any weakness on his game to play on any surface.

Why would you think Murray's been said to have Wimbledon potential? because everyone knows his game type could be effective on any surface. he has the same game type of Nole except that Nole executes them better.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:59 PM
I did'nt mean serve and volley. I said He can serve better now ( better placement and harder) and he can also volley now except last year. Also I dont really see Nole winning a slam back to back yet, specially not on clay.


So you don't disagree with me thenm, yet you rubbished my opinion because you felt it was based on Rafa's inablity to challenge Federer outside clay? :retard: <--- I'm in danger of overusing this.

All I said in the post you quoted was that I wasn't overly impressed with Nole's clay game LAST season, and that I thought Davydenko was the clear #3 on clay LAST season. As I haven't seen any of the main contenders play on clay this year, I'm having to base my opinion on what they did last time they played on the red stuff.


l_mac - on the defensive since W '07. :rocker2:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 07:01 PM
Tsonga and Gasquet will be good contenders for Wimbledon...
Gasquet is really strong on grass and Tsonga really has the game to be good on it too.

On the other hand, clay is not their best surface even if gasquet beat federer on it.
There is too much pressure in RG for Gasquet but PHM could be a good contender if he has a decent draw...

spoilers yes! they can beat anyone given a good day.

contenders? NO! they can be beaten by anyone given a bad day.

Meaning! they are not going to give you a 7 straight good matches yet. Not that consistent yet!

ROGER will still be the King of Wimbledon!

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 07:05 PM
So you don't disagree with me thenm, yet you rubbished my opinion because you felt it was based on Rafa's inablity to challenge Federer outside clay? :retard: <--- I'm in danger of overusing this.

All I said in the post you quoted was that I wasn't overly impressed with Nole's clay game LAST season, and that I thought Davydenko was the clear #3 on clay LAST season. As I haven't seen any of the main contenders play on clay this year, I'm having to base my opinion on what they did last time they played on the red stuff.


l_mac - on the defensive since W '07. :rocker2:

I never said Nole will win FO.

Nadal is still the King of Clay, but I really see Nole having a good season on clay too.

But thinking about David Ferrer, I really think he could be contending for this year FO. I would even bet on him next to Nadal and better than Roger.

richie21
01-29-2008, 07:15 PM
beating Roddick?:lol:


Laugh all you want but to beat Roddick on grass still remains a good achievement.

vidanhv
01-29-2008, 07:24 PM
Think that the first 3 will lead the game without much problem. I can't see anybody taking Wimbledon from Roger but I can see Nadal having problems at FO. Whether Roger or Nole will manage to beat him there, I don't know, but its going to be interesting. USO is completely open. While Fed and Djoko are clearly the favorites, maybe Nadal will finally realize how important hard courts are, and he certainly has the talent to learn to play better there. Until now he didn't have much of motivation as he was alone on #2, but now things are different. I hope he can improve, I know he can. We shouldn't forget Rodick, there are Gasquet, Murray and Tsonga now, Hewitt will try to break top ten... This is going to be interesting season.

tennizen
01-29-2008, 07:25 PM
For me AO, is a very successful tournament. The only loophole is Roger is not on his best form. But I would'nt take anything from Nole because he beats him in straight sets.

Now, 3 more slams are coming, who are the contenders? who are the spoilers?

RG:
1. Rafael Nadal- He is still the King of Clay.
2. Roger Federer- He is still the man to beat on any surface.
3. David Ferrer- I really this guy giving it all at this years RG.
4. Novak Djokovic- I'm not really what he can put on the table comes clay season. ( But who cares? He just won the last slam)

Spoilers: Davidenko, Nalbandian, Tsonga, Gasquet


Wimbledon:
1. Roger Federer- Grass will suits his game better and will be more confident on this surface
far second..................
2. Novak Djokovic- This is a fast court. He knows how to set-up from the baseline and he knows how to volley now.

All others would just be spoilers. I want to put Nadal as a contender but I'm afraid all others (big servers) would beat him in ealier rounds.

US Open:
1. Roger Federer and close second Noval Djokovic.
Nole is being loved now by the US fans and playing the best hardcourt tennis and Roger trying to break Sampras record of 14 slams.
This is gonna be a big fight.

Nalbandian can still come up in the mix if he can get his game together like he did later part of the year last year.

Nadal does'nt come close to a semis in US Open before.


END of the year ranking:
1. Roger Federer
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Rafael Nadal


Reg RG, I am not sure why Ferrer is # 3. He is a good clay court player just like many other spaniards but he has never been more than a quarterfinalist at RG. Davydenko on the other hand is a player with very good results on clay!!.Djokovic is a contender but I am hesistant to put him as a contender for RG.

Wimbledon, Nadal has to be No.2 based on two finals!!. You are worried that he can be beaten so you don't count him as a contender!!. Well he still might be beaten but so far the results say he is the second most legitimate contender on grass.

UsOpen, its definitely Fed and Djokovic. Roddick till last year was a contender but now I am not sure.

akrobata
01-29-2008, 07:32 PM
All I said in the post you quoted was that I wasn't overly impressed with Nole's clay game LAST season, and that I thought Davydenko was the clear #3 on clay LAST season. As I haven't seen any of the main contenders play on clay this year, I'm having to base my opinion on what they did last time they played on the red stuff.


Well, I would disagree.

Let's compare Davydenko's and Djokovic's clay results from last year:

Davydenko

Masters MC - 2nd round (1st round bye)
Barecelona - QF
Estoril - 1st round
Masters Rome - SF (1st round bye)
Masters Hamburg - 3rd round (1st round bye)
Poertschach - QF
Roland Garros - SF
Gstaad - 1st round
Amersfoort - 1st round
Umag - 1st round
Sopot (cough, cough) - 2nd round

Record on clay for 2007: 14-11
And even if we do not include post-RG matches, it's only 13-7.
That's hardly a good record for a CLEAR #3 player on clay.


Now let's see Djokovic's results:

Masters MC - 3rd round (1st round bye)
Estoril - WON
Masters Rome - QF (1st round bye)
Masters Hamburg - QF (1st round bye)
Roland Garros - SF
Umag - 2nd round

Record on clay for 2007: 16-4 (or 15-3 without Umag)
Now that's an GREAT record.

Clearly Djokovic was the 3rd best player on clay last year.
I think your dislike of Nole is blurring your vision.
Any rebuttals?

stebs
01-29-2008, 07:36 PM
Laugh all you want but to beat Roddick on grass still remains a good achievement.

You get many things wrong but this is right. The match stats show how well Gasquet had to play to beat Roddick.

He won the final three sets 7-6 7-6 8-6, not exactly easy, 16 UE's and 64 winners. Exactly 4 to 1 and when you think that many of those are passing shots of deep approaches that's pretty special.

I think the thing with Gasquet has a big hint of irony to it. As a child he was hugely overrated and had too much pressure and that continued for a long time but now he is playing some good stuff and is a top 10 player he is underrated by many and seen as a weak player.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 07:37 PM
Well, I would disagree.

Let's compare Davydenko's and Djokovic's clay results from last year:

Davydenko

Masters MC - 2nd round (1st round bye)
Barecelona - QF
Estoril - 1st round
Masters Rome - SF (1st round bye)
Masters Hamburg - 3rd round (1st round bye)
Poertschach - QF
Roland Garros - SF
Gstaad - 1st round
Amersfoort - 1st round
Umag - 1st round
Sopot (cough, cough) - 2nd round

Record on clay for 2007: 14-11
And even if we do not include post-RG matches, it's only 13-7.
That's hardly a good record for a CLEAR #3 player on clay.


Now let's see Djokovic's results:

Masters MC - 3rd round (1st round bye)
Estoril - WON
Masters Rome - QF (1st round bye)
Masters Hamburg - QF (1st round bye)
Roland Garros - SF
Umag - 2nd round

Record on clay for 2007: 16-4 (or 15-3 without Umag)
Now that's an GREAT record.

Clearly Djokovic was the 3rd best player on clay last year.
I think your dislike of Nole is blurring your vision.
Any rebuttals?

Yes :ras: :ras:

I think Davydenko is a better player on clay, and that he showed a higher level of play last season. But could be that the dislike blinds me, it wouldn't surprise me.

If we're using W/L maybe Monaco is the 3rd best player on clay. Or Ferrer.

richie21
01-29-2008, 07:48 PM
You get many things wrong but this is right. The match stats show how well Gasquet had to play to beat Roddick.

He won the final three sets 7-6 7-6 8-6, not exactly easy, 16 UE's and 64 winners. Exactly 4 to 1 and when you think that many of those are passing shots of deep approaches that's pretty special.

I think the thing with Gasquet has a big hint of irony to it. As a child he was hugely overrated and had too much pressure and that continued for a long time but now he is playing some good stuff and is a top 10 player he is underrated by many and seen as a weak player.


Well,at the same time,when you become the youngest world junior champion ever(that was before Donald Young came in the mix) winning 2 junior GSs,the youngest player ever to have won a MS match and when you beat Federer at 18 the way he did,it's no wonder that you are rated that much!

About the pressure thing,i certainly agree with you.
Actually ,among all the youngsters,Gasquet is by far the one who's had to deal with the most pressure: just imagine that at 9 years old,he was already on the cover of the most famous(and serious) tennis magazine with this title "Richard Gasquet,the champion that all France have been waited for??".

acionescu
01-29-2008, 08:03 PM
Yes :ras: :ras:

I think Davydenko is a better player on clay, he showed a higher level of play last season. But could be that the dislike blinds me, it wouldn't surprise me.

If we're using W/L maybe Monaco is the 3rd best player on clay. Or Ferrer.

Actually I red somewhere(I don't remember where!) that last year Monaco was the second best on clay! :shrug:

l_mac
01-29-2008, 08:06 PM
Actually I red somewhere(I don't remember where!) that last year Monaco was the second best on clay! :shrug:

He was - results wise. I think he was 28-8, with 3 clay titles.

I hope he does better in the clay MS and RG this year. He's a cutie.

RagingLamb
01-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Davydenko should currently be accpeted as the fourth best in the world on clay and he likes aking the ball early, he has better chances than most to beat Nadal on clay (though still slim), see Rome, maybe the best match of the year. He is also probably as good as Federer on clay when he plays well, choked away what should've been a very close 5 setter at RG last year and turned into a straight sets win.

Hilarious that you should challenge his inclusion when he has such credentials and is a good player whereas Tsonga has shown nothing on clay as of yet and it is unlikely his game will suit. Plus Gasquet is nowhere near Davydenko as well.

I wasn't talking about Davydenko as a spoiler on clay specifically, but as a spoiler at a major, period.

This is because I just don't see him winning any majors ever. It has to do with how he plays the important matches against the important players.

If we assume he has to play a Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, in the finals or before that, I really don't like his chances.

Young Boss
01-29-2008, 09:40 PM
i don't see davydenko or ferrer winning a major ever. they just don't have enough game to challenge the top 3 players. they are both limited.

akrobata
01-29-2008, 09:44 PM
Yes :ras: :ras:

I think Davydenko is a better player on clay, and that he showed a higher level of play last season. But could be that the dislike blinds me, it wouldn't surprise me.

If we're using W/L maybe Monaco is the 3rd best player on clay. Or Ferrer.

Well those would be better arguments than Davydenko for sure.
Although Nole's record is excellent and his SF at RG (and a QF the year prior to that when he was not even seeded) would tell me that he's definitely #3 man on clay. But you think whatever! Just don't let the hate blind you too much! :devil:

JediFed
01-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Here's my SF's for RG.

1. Nadal
2. Federer

3. Murray. Wouldn't be surprised to see him step up and reach a SF.
4. Gasquet. Excellent backhand. Neither he nor Murray are all that reliant on serve.

Djokovic won't make it because as passive as his game is, it only works on Hard. He needs his serve to end the points quickly. Ferrer, Tsonga, and Nalbandian fall into similar categories.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:49 PM
Here's my SF's for RG.

1. Nadal
2. Federer

3. Murray. Wouldn't be surprised to see him step up and reach a SF.
4. Gasquet. Excellent backhand. Neither he nor Murray are all that reliant on serve.

Djokovic won't make it because as passive as his game is, it only works on Hard. He needs his serve to end the points quickly. Ferrer, Tsonga, and Nalbandian fall into similar categories.

A passive game won AO 2008?:lol:

Murray?:lol:

JediFed
01-29-2008, 09:53 PM
Yes, his game is passive.

How many winners did he have, not counting service winners? In almost every rally against federer, he won the point off a UE from Federer.

He is an excellent defensive player and a returner with a good serve. On hard he has proven he can shorten the points. On clay, he can return and run around until he forces the UE. He's very consistant.

I'm not sure why you think his game is flashy. :confused:

As for Murray, he lost in 4 to Tsonga. I'd take a bet from anyone here that he'd make SF of RG.

richie21
01-29-2008, 09:54 PM
Here's my SF's for RG.

1. Nadal
2. Federer

3. Murray. Wouldn't be surprised to see him step up and reach a SF.
4. Gasquet. Excellent backhand. Neither he nor Murray are all that reliant on serve.

Djokovic won't make it because as passive as his game is, it only works on Hard. He needs his serve to end the points quickly. Ferrer, Tsonga, and Nalbandian fall into similar categories.

No way in hell that Gasquet and/or Murray will make the RG 1/2 finals.

JediFed
01-29-2008, 09:56 PM
Why not?

The clay field is really weak. Like was said earlier, the second best on clay was Monaco.

What's stopping either from getting hot and going on a run?

As I suspected. Losses to such mugs like Nalbandian twice and Nadal. He gets some good luck and a decent draw, I don't see why he couldn't do well.

richie21
01-29-2008, 10:03 PM
Why not?

The clay field is really weak. Like was said earlier, the second best on clay was Monaco.

What's stopping either from getting hot and going on a run?

As I suspected. Losses to such mugs like Nalbandian twice and Nadal. He gets some good luck and a decent draw, I don't see why he couldn't do well.


Hum what???
i can name you at least 10 players who are better than Murray and Gasquet on Clay.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 10:03 PM
Yes, his game is passive.

How many winners did he have, not counting service winners? In almost every rally against federer, he won the point off a UE from Federer.

He is an excellent defensive player and a returner with a good serve. On hard he has proven he can shorten the points. On clay, he can return and run around until he forces the UE. He's very consistant.

I'm not sure why you think his game is flashy. :confused:

As for Murray, he lost in 4 to Tsonga. I'd take a bet from anyone here that he'd make SF of RG.

No winners from Djokovic??:confused:

Match Summary
Federer (SUI) Djokovic (SRB)

1st Serve % 67 of 109 = 61 % 77 of 113 = 68 %

Aces 10 13

Double Faults 2 6

Unforced Errors 32 32

Winning % on 1st Serve 48 of 67 = 72 % 60 of 77 = 78 %

Winning % on 2nd Serve 18 of 42 = 43 % 15 of 36 = 42 %

Winners (Including Service) 38 50
Receiving Points Won 38 of 113 = 34 % 43 of 109 = 39 %

Break Point Conversions 2 of 9 = 22 % 4 of 11 = 36 %

Net Approaches 22 of 31 = 71 % 19 of 24 = 79 %

Total Points Won 104 118

Fastest Serve 209 KMH 208 KMH

Average 1st Serve Speed 191 KMH 191 KMH

Average 2nd Serve Speed 155 KMH 152 KMH



Match Summary
Djokovic (SRB) Tsonga (FRA)

1st Serve % 68 of 122 = 56 % 96 of 136 = 71 %

Aces 11 15

Double Faults 2 2

Unforced Errors 35 41

Winning % on 1st Serve 53 of 68 = 78 % 68 of 96 = 71 %

Winning % on 2nd Serve 34 of 54 = 63 % 19 of 40 = 48 %

Winners (Including Service) 46 44

Receiving Points Won 49 of 136 = 36 % 35 of 122 = 29 %

Break Point Conversions 4 of 12 = 33 % 2 of 5 = 40 %

Net Approaches 34 of 43 = 79 % 24 of 46 = 52 %

Total Points Won 136 122

Fastest Serve 209 KMH 218 KMH

Average 1st Serve Speed 192 KMH 189 KMH

Average 2nd Serve Speed 154 KMH 147 KMH

Farenhajt
01-29-2008, 10:04 PM
He's on the entry list for both Rotterdam and Dubai. Which means he's told the TD he's coming, which means if he does withdraw he'll need to be injured or do it well in advance :)

If he wins Marseille (which is a highly probable outcome), he's almost sure to drop both tourneys (especially Rotterdam which is in the week following Marseille) - earning 200 pts is good enough to cover for losing 150. (And in the AO he got some spare change to pay the eventual fines ;))

JediFed
01-29-2008, 10:07 PM
Winners (Including Service) 38 50


I said excluding service. So that stat isn't helpful. Most of his winners were aces or unreturnables.

Merton
01-29-2008, 10:08 PM
It is hilarious how people form expectations based only on the start of this year, ignoring all other available information. Djokovic is now the clear favourite for the calndar slam, Federer and Nadal are finished. It is too early for any predictions, lets wait until after Miami to talk seriously.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 10:09 PM
I said excluding service. So that stat isn't helpful. Most of his winners were aces or unreturnables.

:smash:

l_mac
01-29-2008, 10:10 PM
If he wins Marseille (which is a highly probable outcome), he's almost sure to drop both tourneys (especially Rotterdam which is in the week following Marseille) - winning 200 pts is good enough to cover for losing 150. (And in the AO he got some spare change to pay the eventual fines ;))

I also think he'll probably drop Rotterdam OR Marseille (maybe Marseille if he is too tired from DC) but I'll be surprised if he doesn't go to Dubai. They offer the top players stupid money, and practically the whole Top 10 is playing. That said, I won't be too sad if he misses it ;)

Well those would be better arguments than Davydenko for sure.
Although Nole's record is excellent and his SF at RG (and a QF the year prior to that when he was not even seeded) would tell me that he's definitely #3 man on clay. But you think whatever! Just don't let the hate blind you too much! :devil:
:lol:

I'm not the sort of girl who won't admit when she's wrong and I am trying with the hate, honestly.

I still think Davydenko can play at a higher level than Nole on clay on the basis of the tournaments I saw played last year. But I am totally willing to change this view if I see fantastic form from Djoko this year. :)

JediFed
01-29-2008, 10:14 PM
i can name you at least 10 players who are better than Murray and Gasquet on Clay.


Let me guess.

Nadal
Federer
Davydenko
Djokovic
Canas
Nalbandian
Moya
Robredo
Ferrer
Ferraro

Would that seem about right to you?

I'm not saying that Murray and Gasquet are better claycourters then the above, just I feel that they will do well in RG this year, and that historically Gasquet has had horrible draws at RG. How many would have predicted Tsonga would reach the Final of AO? Anybody?

As for the depth it pretty much is Nadal, a huge gap, then Federer, another gap, and then everyone else.

JediFed
01-29-2008, 10:20 PM
Yes Big Marat. I saw the match.

Serve, unreturnable. Rally, point fed. Serve, unretunable. Rally, point fed. UE Fed UE, Fed. Game Djokovic.

Djokovic was more consistant then Fed throughout the match. I don't see why that's such a negative thing to say. :confused:

richie21
01-29-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm not saying that Murray and Gasquet are better claycourters then the above, just I feel that they will do well in RG this year, and that historically Gasquet has had horrible draws at RG. How many would have predicted Tsonga would reach the Final of AO? Anybody?

As for the depth it pretty much is Nadal, a huge gap, then Federer, another gap, and then everyone else.

yeah ,like last year....:o

Let me guess.

Nadal
Federer
Davydenko
Djokovic
Canas
Nalbandian
Moya
Robredo
Ferrer
Ferraro

Would that seem about right to you?

add to that list Andreev

JediFed
01-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Well whats the story there? That's a horrible loss to Vliegen. Did he just not show up or what was the case?

He would have Canas and then Monaco and then Davy and Fed.

Farenhajt
01-29-2008, 10:25 PM
I also think he'll probably drop Rotterdam OR Marseille (maybe Marseille if he is too tired from DC) but I'll be surprised if he doesn't go to Dubai. They offer the top players stupid money, and practically the whole Top 10 is playing. That said, I won't be too sad if he misses it ;)

I'm not sure he's thinking "stupid money" right now :) I expect he'd be thinking "points" and "American Masters preparation" after Marseille. Miami and IW are much more important than a "working holiday" in UAE.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 10:27 PM
I'm not sure he's thinking "stupid money" right now :) I expect he'd be thinking "points" and "American Masters preparation" after Marseille. Miami and IW are much more important than a "working holiday" in UAE.

I suppose we'll see. Like I said, I won't be shedding any tears if he doesn't bother with the trip to Dubai. Hopefully this will be Rafa's last year there for a while. He's promised to play the SA clay swing next year.

akrobata
01-30-2008, 02:06 AM
I'm not the sort of girl who won't admit when she's wrong and I am trying with the hate, honestly.

I still think Davydenko can play at a higher level than Nole on clay on the basis of the tournaments I saw played last year. But I am totally willing to change this view if I see fantastic form from Djoko this year. :)

Then your sampling pool is very poor. You should probably watch one of the many first/second round losses he had on clay and not focus solely on the Nadal SF in Rome (which he also lost, but admittedly played at a high level). You keep saying he's better on clay than Nole, but have no substantial proof and no one on MTF (not necessarily a bad thing :devil:) seems to agree either.

CyBorg
01-30-2008, 04:02 AM
RG - Nadal d. Andreev
WMB - Nadal d. Federer
USO - Federer d. Djokovic