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Djokovic and Nadal: a Less Contenious Rivalry

sawan66278
01-29-2008, 12:59 PM
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems that Rafa and Nole seem to get along pretty well. Following the insane comments from Djokovic at the French (after losing to Rafa), it seems mutual respect is there. I haven't heard the family say one negative thing about Rafa. Do you think this is because they simply don't like Roger? Or that they realize what Rafa has accomplished is worthy of respect? Or that Rafa is simply the modern day version of Vitas...the man everyone at the top liked, though there was animosity among everyone else?

bokehlicious
01-29-2008, 01:03 PM
I haven't heard the family say one negative thing about Rafa. Do you think this is because they simply don't like Roger? Or that they realize what Rafa has accomplished is worthy of respect?

So Nadal (3 times slam champ) would be worthy of respect while Federer (12 times slam champ) not :confused: :scratch:

Interesting... :o

Iván
01-29-2008, 01:07 PM
Novak Knows that he will never be better than Nadal on clay ever in his career.

Nadal Knows that he will never Ever be better than Novak on hardcourts.

They have this understanding and have accepted it.

Action Jackson
01-29-2008, 01:18 PM
No, you have missed something as usual.

Just like the Djokovic- Lendl thing.

my0118
01-29-2008, 01:27 PM
OMG Sawan your avarta is gross. :o

tennizen
01-29-2008, 01:43 PM
I think Nadal doesn't care much for Djokovic(based on his answers reg. Djokovic) but is less vocal about it. They keep their distance. Fed usually does that but in case of Novak his dislike has been more apparent than usual:shrug:

Zirconek
01-29-2008, 01:48 PM
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems that Rafa and Nole seem to get along pretty well. Following the insane comments from Djokovic at the French (after losing to Rafa), it seems mutual respect is there. I haven't heard the family say one negative thing about Rafa. Do you think this is because they simply don't like Roger? Or that they realize what Rafa has accomplished is worthy of respect? Or that Rafa is simply the modern day version of Vitas...the man everyone at the top liked, though there was animosity among everyone else?

you missed "v" in Djokovic at the title

thrust
01-29-2008, 01:51 PM
Federer made some very nasty comments about Nole, which is why his parents dislike Roger. If I were Nole^s father, I would despise Roger too. Also, it seems as though Rafa is a nicer person than Roger. Roger seems to get insulted when someone seriously challenges or beats him. Roger was fortunate that Nole choked away the first two sets of last year^s USO final. Now that Nole has won a Slam, beating Roger in the semis, should give him confidence to win more slams and raise his ranking.

mangoes
01-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems that Rafa and Nole seem to get along pretty well. Following the insane comments from Djokovic at the French (after losing to Rafa), it seems mutual respect is there. I haven't heard the family say one negative thing about Rafa. Do you think this is because they simply don't like Roger? Or that they realize what Rafa has accomplished is worthy of respect? Or that Rafa is simply the modern day version of Vitas...the man everyone at the top liked, though there was animosity among everyone else?

Or perhaps sawan, they don't view Nadal as a threat to Djokovic reaching no. 1:shrug: Stop reaching sawan. I don't think there's any love/respect between rafa and nole.

bokehlicious
01-29-2008, 01:56 PM
Also, it seems as though Rafa is a nicer person than Roger.

Based on what? Your personal taste? :lol: It seems that Roger is well appreciated among the tennis pros, while some seem to have a go at Rafa's antics (Soderling, Mathieu...) :o

jasmin
01-29-2008, 02:11 PM
I don't see how Nadal seems nicer. I like both. I do think there was a good vibes between Nadal and Nole but since he's been making fun of Nadal I don't get that anymore.

Bibberz
01-29-2008, 02:11 PM
Rafa isn't a marked man and he's not the sort of player against whom another player measures himself--except where clay is involved. And, like someone else said, Nole knows that he will never be better than Rafa on clay.

dejosav
01-29-2008, 02:11 PM
You guys can't imagine how his interviews for Serbian newspapers are different than those for foreign ones. Half of his interviews here were always about how Federer is the goat, great guy... In last interview before AO he mentions both of them, something like : " They say for Federer that he is great sportsman and gentleman. He proves it on and off the court with his gestures and his humanitarian work. He really is a great guy" , " People are wrong about Spaniard. They have wrong impression because he is a bit cocky on court. Maybe it looks like he is cocky, but that's not true. I'm saying this because i know him privately. Rafa is a very, very good boy and one of the few fair-play players left. He is so unspoiled and great sportsman and professional"

Sleepwalker64
01-29-2008, 02:21 PM
They share the same PR man...that's the answer I guess.

Herdwick
01-29-2008, 02:28 PM
They share the same PR man...that's the answer I guess.

In Nole's case then it's most definitely time for him to earn his money.

Sunset of Age
01-29-2008, 02:48 PM
In Nole's case then it's most definitely time for him to earn his money.

:lol:

I've seen noone mentioning it yet, but I guess Nole and Rafa being closer in age will probably mean that they spent a lot of time together going through junior's tournaments and such - more than with Roger, who is of course of an 'older' generation (how silly does this sound btw, being 26 and being 'older'...)

Shabazza
01-29-2008, 03:07 PM
You guys can't imagine how his interviews for Serbian newspapers are different than those for foreign ones. Half of his interviews here were always about how Federer is the goat, great guy... In last interview before AO he mentions both of them, something like : " They say for Federer that he is great sportsman and gentleman. He proves it on and off the court with his gestures and his humanitarian work. He really is a great guy" , " People are wrong about Spaniard. They have wrong impression because he is a bit cocky on court. Maybe it looks like he is cocky, but that's not true. I'm saying this because i know him privately. Rafa is a very, very good boy and one of the few fair-play players left. He is so unspoiled and great sportsman and professional"

Off the court, Nole and Rafa are very friendly and nice people. On the court, they have this competitve passion that can get the better of them sometimes. As long as it stays that way, I'm fine with the top 3 Tennis has at the moment. It could be much worse.

Eden
01-29-2008, 04:28 PM
Federer made some very nasty comments about Nole, which is why his parents dislike Roger. If I were Nole^s father, I would despise Roger too. Also, it seems as though Rafa is a nicer person than Roger. Roger seems to get insulted when someone seriously challenges or beats him. Roger was fortunate that Nole choked away the first two sets of last year^s USO final. Now that Nole has won a Slam, beating Roger in the semis, should give him confidence to win more slams and raise his ranking.

What's between two grown-up people should never be the business of others. Therefore there's no need for Djokovics parents to defend their son. If he and Roger have a problem they should both be able to solve it.
Some people seem to forget that it always takes two persons for an argument. Besides this Roger made the comment you are refering to - I think you mean the comment about the injury timeouts - already when Novak hasn't beat him, therefore it makes no sense when you accuse Roger of just insulting Novak because he challenged or beat him...

And about Novak choking in the US Open final: According to your logic Roger then also must have choked the first set of the AO final as I'm sure you remember that he served for the set.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 04:50 PM
You guys are creating a mountain out of a mole in this topic.

I think these three players get along well more than we think. I think the respect will always be there.

I think all of them are just being honest during interviews.

thrust
01-29-2008, 05:03 PM
What's between two grown-up people should never be the business of others. Therefore there's no need for Djokovics parents to defend their son. If he and Roger have a problem they should both be able to solve it.
Some people seem to forget that it always takes two persons for an argument. Besides this Roger made the comment you are refering to - I think you mean the comment about the injury timeouts - already when Novak hasn't beat him, therefore it makes no sense when you accuse Roger of just insulting Novak because he challenged or beat him...

And about Novak choking in the US Open final: According to your logic Roger then also must have choked the first set of the AO final as I'm sure you remember that he served for the set.

In the USO final, Roger was already a great multi Slam winner. Nole was playing in his first Slam final, had a good lead in both sets but got tight when he had a good chance to win the sets. Roger, being an experienced champion, took advantage of the situation as he should have. Obviously the Djokovic^s are more vocally involved with their son^s tennis than most parents, but they have a right to defend thir 19 YO son when they think he has been unfairly attacked by the older player.

platinum
01-29-2008, 05:11 PM
Rafa is a REALLY nice guy, Roger is not....

sawan66278
01-29-2008, 05:15 PM
I recall Rafa sending over some champagne to Djokovic following the Canadian Open. Now, following the impressions, I don't know what their relationship is. The only player who appears to not care for Rafa (and vice versa) is Soderling. I wonder how he and Djokovic would get along?;)

sawan66278
01-29-2008, 05:16 PM
OMG Sawan your avarta is gross. :o

Obviously, you haven't been to Mars.

platinum
01-29-2008, 05:21 PM
:lol:

I've seen noone mentioning it yet, but I guess Nole and Rafa being closer in age will probably mean that they spent a lot of time together going through junior's tournaments and such - more than with Roger, who is of course of an 'older' generation (how silly does this sound btw, being 26 and being 'older'...)

Yes, Rafa and Nole have more things in commom because they are almost the same age. While Roger is SIX years older than Nole, that's a lot...

Sunset of Age
01-29-2008, 05:54 PM
Yes, Rafa and Nole have more things in commom because they are almost the same age. While Roger is SIX years older than Nole, that's a lot...

... which doesn't necessarilly mean they shouldn't be able to get on with each other, BTW. ;)

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:04 PM
I recall Rafa sending over some champagne to Djokovic following the Canadian Open. Now, following the impressions, I don't know what their relationship is. The only player who appears to not care for Rafa (and vice versa) is Soderling. I wonder how he and Djokovic would get along?;)

I think it was pretty obvious that Nadal was pig-sick (see what I did there? Do u.) of the impressions by the end of last year, but they were being shoved down his throat at any opportunity. Which I suppose I can't blame Nole for (but I'll give it a good try :)). Nadal only seems to have friendships with players who have Spanish as their mother tongue, so it's unlikely they'll ever be best buddies but I've only ever heard him say good things about Nole's tennis and prospects.

Shabazza
01-29-2008, 06:06 PM
I recall Rafa sending over some champagne to Djokovic following the Canadian Open. Now, following the impressions, I don't know what their relationship is. The only player who appears to not care for Rafa (and vice versa) is Soderling. I wonder how he and Djokovic would get along?;)

It's funny how fast the Berdych vs Nadal incident in Madrid was forgotten.

Castafiore
01-29-2008, 06:09 PM
It's funny how fast the Berdych vs Nadal incident in Madrid was forgotten.
Berdych and Nadal made up and are on good terms now so why should people keep bringing that up? They were even planning to play doubles at a certain event in the fall last year.

stebs
01-29-2008, 06:10 PM
It's not a soap opera. For the most part players keep their feelings to themsevles and what happens on court is what matters.

siddy
01-29-2008, 06:17 PM
I must be missing something cos as far as I'm aware it is a WELL KNOWN FACT that Roger is considered to be THE nicest player on tour -- not just by fans but by most of the players on the circuit. So we should quit making stories about how he "doesn't" get along well with players.

I suspect this is because he has only accorded a place of respect to Nadal so far as a "true rival" and refused to place Djokovic on the same pedestal -- which makes perfect sense given the fact that Djokovic has just won his first major.

Wasn't it just after last year's French Open that a few tennis writers were claiming that Roger was getting too friendly with Rafa and that was hurting his ability to beat Nadal????

Shabazza
01-29-2008, 06:23 PM
Berdych and Nadal made up and are on good terms now so why should people keep bringing that up? They were even planning to play doubles at a certain event in the fall last year.

You missunderstood me. That was my point - Berdych and Nadal had a shorter but more intense argument (imo), than Nadal had with Söderling. Still, they got on good terms again pretty fast, while Nadal and Söderling are still at a cold war. I find that funny.

l_mac
01-29-2008, 06:26 PM
You missunderstood me. That was my point - Berdych and Nadal had a shorter but more intense argument (imo), than Nadal had with Söderling. Still, they got on good terms again pretty fast, while Nadal and Söderling are still at a cold war. I find that funny.


Soderling trashed Nadal after their RG match, then 07 Wimbledon :lol: AND he doesn't say "Hi" to Rafa in the locker room. :lol:

The Berdych incident was just one heated incident, where both players knew they could have handled it better.

Sunset of Age
01-29-2008, 06:28 PM
Berdych and Nadal made up and are on good terms now so why should people keep bringing that up? They were even planning to play doubles at a certain event in the fall last year.

For the same reason they keep on bringing up less-friendly quotes from Federer from the Stone Age, for instance - they only see/hear what they want to see/hear.
I'd surely like to see Rafa and Tomás play doubles together, hope it'll happen some day - as much as I'd like to see Rafa play doubles with Roger as well. Perhaps even with Nole, why not?

acionescu
01-29-2008, 06:29 PM
[QUOTE I_mac:AND he doesn't say "Hi" to Rafa in the locker room. [/QUOTE]

Yeap, very mature! :lol:

Castafiore
01-29-2008, 07:21 PM
You missunderstood me. That was my point - Berdych and Nadal had a shorter but more intense argument (imo), than Nadal had with Söderling. Still, they got on good terms again pretty fast, while Nadal and Söderling are still at a cold war. I find that funny.
Oh right. Point taken.

Eden
01-29-2008, 07:34 PM
Obviously the Djokovic^s are more vocally involved with their son^s tennis than most parents, but they have a right to defend thir 19 YO son when they think he has been unfairly attacked by the older player.

Of course they have the right to say what they feel, but their son is old enough to speak for himself - or even better let the racket do the talking.

Federer's parents didn't feel the need to react to any comments that their son is going down and that tennis need other players as him and Nadal.

I just find it strange that so many people make Roger responsible for the so-called bad atmosphere between him and Novak. As I said it needs two people for an argument and Novak surely isn't as innocent in the whole case as well.

Black Adam
01-29-2008, 07:40 PM
Roger is a nice guy. Watch his true colors after every loss or when things aren't going his way.

Allure
01-29-2008, 07:52 PM
Federer made some very nasty comments about Nole, which is why his parents dislike Roger. If I were Nole^s father, I would despise Roger too. Also, it seems as though Rafa is a nicer person than Roger. Roger seems to get insulted when someone seriously challenges or beats him. Roger was fortunate that Nole choked away the first two sets of last year^s USO final. Now that Nole has won a Slam, beating Roger in the semis, should give him confidence to win more slams and raise his ranking.

Djokobitch is lucky Federer choked the first and third set away in last year's Montreal final. :lol:

Tnn74
01-29-2008, 08:13 PM
As far as the public is concerned, Federer can say whatever he likes about Nole's game... He's at the top, he ain't tryin' to look back... same goes for Nadal...
the mutual respect between Fed/Rafa will never involve Nole, which is why
we need to take this Djokovic freak show down a notch. And Nole's parents
needs to get over their hatred for Federer, whatever reason is behind that,
it's absolutely absurd :rolleyes:

Quite frankly, I'd rather continue seeing Federer/Nadal keep dominating at the top than to see the freak shows in Djokovic's box every time he wins a match, I'd never thought I'd say this, but I would probably rather see Mirka than those camera-loving whores :ras:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 08:27 PM
As far as the public is concerned, Federer can say whatever he likes about Nole's game... He's at the top, he ain't tryin' to look back... same goes for Nadal...
the mutual respect between Fed/Rafa will never involve Nole, which is why
we need to take this Djokovic freak show down a notch. And Nole's parents
needs to get over their hatred for Federer, whatever reason is behind that,
it's absolutely absurd :rolleyes:

Quite frankly, I'd rather continue seeing Federer/Nadal keep dominating at the top than to see the freak shows in Djokovic's box every time he wins a match, I'd never thought I'd say this, but I would probably rather see Mirka than those camera-loving whores :ras:

If only you have any control on Djokovic results, maybe FED and Nadal would hire you.

At the end of the day, it was NOLE who beat mighty Federer on a slam other than Clay before your fave even comes closed.

ExpectedWinner
01-29-2008, 08:31 PM
Quite frankly, I'd rather continue seeing Federer/Nadal keep dominating at the top than to see the freak shows in Djokovic's box every time he wins a match, I'd never thought I'd say this, but I would probably rather see Mirka than those camera-loving whores :ras:

LOL. Nadal and Djoker are the same age. The family will be around a lot longer than Mirka. If Djoker's younger brothers make it to the ATP level, then they will be on TV for the next 15-20 years. :lol:

l_mac
01-29-2008, 08:33 PM
If only you have any control on Djokovic results, maybe FED and Nadal would hire you.

At the end of the day, it was NOLE who beat mighty Federer on a slam other than Clay before your fave even comes closed.

:lol: What does that have to do with anything? If it wasn't for Nadal Fed would likely have 3 RG titles. He's only less dominant on clay because Nadal is SO dominant.

Petrovic
01-29-2008, 08:48 PM
I just wanna say that Novak interview in Serbia on Federer and Nadal a month ago is the only i go along with.
He said that Roger is a true champion and maybe the greatest player in tennis on and of the court.
On Nadal he said how people think that he is arrogant but he is actually very nice guy and down to earth .

After US Open final in speach if you guys remeber Novak did not say one bad word about Roger , he only admired the great champion and said that Roger is the best.

Novak parents (mother) said something stupid after Nole won his furst GS and nobody in Serbia agrees with her.
To say that Roger is done is stupid and naive !
I understand she was emotional after her son won and she might said that in moment but its not right to say things like that for a Fed ho won 12 big ones !

decrepitude
01-29-2008, 08:50 PM
LOL. Nadal and Djoker are the same age. The family will be around a lot longer than Mirka. If Djoker's younger brothers make it to the ATP level, then they will be on TV for the next 15-20 years. :lol:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/bostero_2006/yikes.gif :bolt:

Aloimeh
01-29-2008, 08:51 PM
Sawan: have you warmed up to Novak? Before, your hatred was quite vociferous, and you were grateful that Roger would put him in his place in the USO 2007. And now you're trying to see if there's some rapport between him and Rafa. What's going on here?

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 08:56 PM
:lol: What does that have to do with anything? If it wasn't for Nadal Fed would likely have 3 RG titles. He's only less dominant on clay because Nadal is SO dominant.

Exactly, your FED/Nadal dominance is only on clay.

Outside clay, its FED and Nole

tennizen
01-29-2008, 08:57 PM
Exactly, your FED/Nadal dominance is only on clay.

Outside clay, its FED and Nole

What about Grass?

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 08:58 PM
What about Grass?

ONLY FEDERER!!!! Mighty Federer

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 08:59 PM
AO- NOLE and FEDERER
RG- ONLY NADAL
WB- ONLY FEDERER
US- NOLE and FEDERER

Petrovic
01-29-2008, 09:00 PM
Novak said many times that WIMBLEDON is the one he wants the most.
I think he will push Fed this year to his limits !

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:00 PM
According to your logic, it should be AO: Nole and USOpen: Fed. Just name the last grandslam champion:lol:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:03 PM
Edit: BigMarat changed his chance before I could post:lol:

I never said Fed is dominant on clay!

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:04 PM
I never said Fed is dominant on clay!

If Grass is not Fed/Nadal and clay is not Nadal/Fed then why are USOpen and AO dominated by Nole and Fed:confused::rolleyes:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:08 PM
According to your logic, it should be AO: Nole and USOpen: Fed. Just name the last grandslam champion:lol:

basically yes!!! who won it last!

but there's no other way to measure it than the last performance.

Things could change though, like for me I think this years RG, Nadal would be less dominant and be more vulnerable ( Ferrer, Argentinians, Nole and Davidenko would be more willing to perform better on clay than last years performance).

On WB- I really see Federer to be very much dominant. There's no other active player built their game than Federer on grass.

At US Open- Nole can only get better. Federer must say something in here and I really see the two of them fighting it out on hardcourts.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:11 PM
If Grass is not Fed/Nadal and clay is not Nadal/Fed then why are USOpen and AO dominated by Nole and Fed:confused::rolleyes:

OK, The only GS real contenders for me are the top 3- FED,NADAL and NOLE, others are spoilers

last year US Open features Nole and Federer
This year AO features Nole and Federer basically.

Nadal never showed he could win a slam in hardcourt.

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:15 PM
basically yes!!! who won it last!

but there's no other way to measure it than the last performance.

Things could change though, like for me I think this years RG, Nadal would be less dominant and be more vulnerable ( Ferrer, Argentinians, Nole and Davidenko would be more willing to perform better on clay than last years performance).

On WB- I really see Federer to be very much dominant. There's no other active player built their game than Federer on grass.

At US Open- Nole can only get better. Federer must say something in here and I really see the two of them fighting it out on hardcourts.

Your post is the definition of wishful thinking. I hope your dreams come true:hug: but you are not exactly going by logic here.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:27 PM
Your post is the definition of wishful thinking. I hope your dreams come true:hug: but you are not exactly going by logic here.

and you cant even specify what is wishful thinking in there.

nadal was not even a factor in the last two slams ( hardcourt)

federer a winner and man to beat in the last two slams

Nole a finalist and a winner in the last two slams

Theres the logic, if you can't comprehend that , you better just concentrate on clay tournaments.

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:33 PM
like for me I think this years RG, Nadal would be less dominant and be more vulnerable ( Ferrer, Argentinians, Nole and Davidenko would be more willing to perform better on clay than last years performance).

At US Open- Nole can only get better.

Wishful thinking. Of course wishes can always come true if you pray hard enough I have heard. So I hope it happens for you.

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Wishful thinking. Of course wishes can always come true if you pray hard enough I have heard. So I hope it happens for you.

Its not wishful thinking when someone had just won the last slam and in the finals the one following that slam.

AO 2008 champiom
US Open 2007 finalist

My wishes came true already!

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:40 PM
Its not wishful thinking when someone had just won the last slam and in the finals the one following that slam.

AO 2008 champiom
US Open 2007 finalist

My wishes came true already!

You forgot that part where you said Ferrer, Djokovic and Davy will all be willing to do better. :wavey:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:43 PM
You forgot that part where you said Ferrer, Djokovic and Davy will all be willing to do better. :wavey:


its not a wishful thinking, I never said they will dominate but would rather perform better this comming clay season.

so you really think they would be beaten down this coming clay season? thats the wishful thinking!

tennizen
01-29-2008, 09:50 PM
its not a wishful thinking, I never said they will dominate but would rather perform better this comming clay season.

so you really think they would be beaten down this coming clay season? thats the wishful thinking!

Now now don't be mad and put words in my mouth. Did I ever say they will be beaten down. According to you, in clay season, all these hardworking people will be "willing to do better" so that Nadal won't be as dominant. While nobody including Nadal will be willing to do better on hard courts. It will only be dear Nole who will be getting better and more dominant:lol:

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 09:55 PM
Now now don't be mad and put words in my mouth. Did I ever say they will be beaten down. According to you, in clay season, all these hardworking people will be "willing to do better" so that Nadal won't be as dominant. While nobody including Nadal will be willing to do better on hard courts. It will only be dear Nole who will be getting better and more dominant:lol:

Nadal won at RG were not as dominant as you think they are. Most of his matches were not in straight sets. Even Federer had a match point/championship point over him.

Nole only lose a set or 2 in AO 2008.

There's the logic your looking at.

Just look for David Ferrer to give ur mighty nadal a trouble in this years RG. It could be a wishful thinking to you but it will come true!

tennizen
01-29-2008, 10:03 PM
Nadal won at RG were not as dominant as you think they are. Most of his matches were not in straight sets. Even Federer had a match point/championship point over him

:lol:. 2007 French Nadal lost a set only to Fed. Nadal beat Federer in 4 everytime they met in RG.

Nole only lose a set or 2 in AO 2008.

There's the logic your looking at.

Countered:)

Just look for David Ferrer to give ur mighty nadal a trouble in this years RG. It could be a wishful thinking to you but it will come true!

As I said, wishful thinking and if it does really happen, I will think of you and feel happy for you:hug:

l_mac
01-29-2008, 10:25 PM
Sawan: have you warmed up to Novak? Before, your hatred was quite vociferous, and you were grateful that Roger would put him in his place in the USO 2007. And now you're trying to see if there's some rapport between him and Rafa. What's going on here?

He's just stirring as usual :lol:

Exactly, your FED/Nadal dominance is only on clay.

Outside clay, its FED and Nole

WTF?

basically yes!!! who won it last!

but there's no other way to measure it than the last performance.

Things could change though, like for me I think this years RG, Nadal would be less dominant and be more vulnerable ( Ferrer, Argentinians, Nole and Davidenko would be more willing to perform better on clay than last years performance).

On WB- I really see Federer to be very much dominant. There's no other active player built their game than Federer on grass.

At US Open- Nole can only get better. Federer must say something in here and I really see the two of them fighting it out on hardcourts.

Any particular Argentinian?

Nadal won at RG were not as dominant as you think they are. Most of his matches were not in straight sets. Even Federer had a match point/championship point over him.

Nole only lose a set or 2 in AO 2008.

There's the logic your looking at.

Just look for David Ferrer to give ur mighty nadal a trouble in this years RG. It could be a wishful thinking to you but it will come true!

:haha: :yeah:

Tnn74
01-29-2008, 10:31 PM
NO ONE is as dominant on Clay as Nadal!
and all these talks about Novak challenging Mighty Fed(on any surface :rolleyes:),
Djokovic just won his First slam, reminds me of all the things the press were saying when
Little Andy Roddick won his first(and only) grand slam back at the 03 USO...
Let's not forget that Federer still owns the "new" king in H2H...

sawan66278
01-30-2008, 12:46 AM
Sawan: have you warmed up to Novak? Before, your hatred was quite vociferous, and you were grateful that Roger would put him in his place in the USO 2007. And now you're trying to see if there's some rapport between him and Rafa. What's going on here?

Hatred is quite a strong word. Does he make my blood boil? Does his family make me want to vomit? Do his injury timeouts makes me question his masculinity? Does he look like the brother of Screech from Saved by the Bell?

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/10/screech.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-01/34938073.jpg

YES

However, I read a new book entitled the Scarlet Cheater...where the top cheater in town had to wear a scarlett "C" to represent his wayward ways. I thought of poor, poor Nole...No one likes him...the Aussie Crowd was so mean...:sad:;)

Rafa extended an olive branch to him, can we do no less?;)

Alex999
01-30-2008, 01:18 AM
Hatred is quite a strong word. Does he make my blood boil? Does his family make me want to vomit? Do his injury timeouts makes me question his masculinity? Does he look like the brother of Screech from Saved by the Bell?

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/10/screech.jpg

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-01/34938073.jpg

YES

However, I read a new book entitled the Scarlet Cheater...where the top cheater in town had to wear a scarlett "C" to represent his wayward ways. I thought of poor, poor Nole...No one likes him...the Aussie Crowd was so mean...:sad:;)

Rafa extended an olive branch to him, can we do no less?;)
I was wondering how do you feel about his tennis skills?

my0118
01-30-2008, 04:39 AM
Obviously, you haven't been to Mars.

The women are supposed to be like that in Mars, I refuse to go there. :o

Frank Winkler
01-30-2008, 05:06 AM
who knows
but more of their results are still to come.

sawan66278
01-30-2008, 05:53 AM
I was wondering how do you feel about his tennis skills?

Talent wise, as far as pure ball striking, etc...I put him behind Gasquet, Monfils, Baghdatis, Tsonga, and Murray. HOWEVER, desire and heart: ahead of all (too early to tell with Jo Will).

May very well be the best tiebreak player I have ever seen.

ZakMcCrack
01-30-2008, 08:18 AM
Novak parents (mother) said something stupid after Nole won his furst GS and nobody in Serbia agrees with her.
To say that Roger is done is stupid and naive !
I understand she was emotional after her son won and she might said that in moment but its not right to say things like that for a Fed ho won 12 big ones !

I appreciate the fact that you as a supporter of Novak and Serbian Tennis made such a differentiated statement, therefore I thank you.

Alex999
01-30-2008, 09:01 AM
Talent wise, as far as pure ball striking, etc...I put him behind Gasquet, Monfils, Baghdatis, Tsonga, and Murray. HOWEVER, desire and heart: ahead of all (too early to tell with Jo Will).

May very well be the best tiebreak player I have ever seen.

Fair enough, thanks.

tangerine_dream
05-17-2011, 08:44 PM
:banana:

l_mac
05-17-2011, 09:07 PM
I miss sawan.

Also Screech :haha: :haha:

l_mac
05-17-2011, 09:11 PM
I think Nadal doesn't care much for Djokovic(based on his answers reg. Djokovic) but is less vocal about it.

Or perhaps sawan, they don't view Nadal as a threat to Djokovic reaching no. 1:shrug: Stop reaching sawan. I don't think there's any love/respect between rafa and nole.

They share the same PR man...that's the answer I guess.

:D

Byrd
05-17-2011, 09:21 PM
Sawan, the Lionel Hutz of MTF.

Alex999
05-17-2011, 09:24 PM
I was wondering how do you feel about his tennis skills?

Talent wise, as far as pure ball striking, etc...I put him behind Gasquet, Monfils, Baghdatis, Tsonga, and Murray. HOWEVER, desire and heart: ahead of all (too early to tell with Jo Will).

May very well be the best tiebreak player I have ever seen.

ah, good old times. I miss him too, NOT :lol: (remind you this thread is dating back to Jan. 2008)

l_mac
05-17-2011, 09:41 PM
Saying Nole has less talent than Monfils is too funny :haha:

Nole Rules
05-17-2011, 09:45 PM
Talent wise, as far as pure ball striking, etc...I put him behind Gasquet, Monfils, Baghdatis, Tsonga, and Murray. HOWEVER, desire and heart: ahead of all (too early to tell with Jo Will). May very well be the best tiebreak player I have ever seen.

This is too much.:spit::haha:

Garson007
05-17-2011, 10:00 PM
God, I'm so glad we're rid of this clown.

Edit: Mmm, his disappearance was sudden, eh? I wouldn't wish him ill, but still glad he's not on this forum anymore.

Alex999
05-17-2011, 10:03 PM
What actually happened to him? I think he was banned, wasn't he?

Garson007
05-17-2011, 10:05 PM
What actually happened to him? I think he was banned, wasn't he?
He's not currently banned, anyways.

recessional
05-17-2011, 10:38 PM
Hatred is quite a strong word. Does he make my blood boil? Does his family make me want to vomit? Do his injury timeouts makes me question his masculinity? Does he look like the brother of Screech from Saved by the Bell?

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/08/10/screech.jpg


:spit:

...i see it. how disturbing.

fast_clay
05-17-2011, 10:45 PM
yeah i see it too... novak and screech's bro suffer from acute case of Jay Leno Chin... horrid affliction...

Nole fan
05-17-2011, 10:50 PM
Saying Nole has less talent than Monfils is too funny :haha:

Yours must be the most hideous sig I've seen in my life. :tape:

l_mac
05-17-2011, 11:35 PM
I'll take that as a ringing endorsement!

xargon
05-18-2011, 12:53 AM
They get along fine enough, they have the same manager.

Nole fan
05-18-2011, 10:04 AM
They get along fine enough, they have the same manager.

Not anymore.