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Djoko vs Murray

griffin_230
01-29-2008, 01:59 PM
The British No1 and his Serbian contemporary show that a year is a long time
in tennis, writes Richard Jago (The Guardian):

Had Andy Murray wanted to see those little improvements which he believes
will carry him into the very small group contending for grand slam titles,
he had no need to look further than his old friend Novak Djokovic in
Melbourne on Sunday.

The upward paths of the two 20-year-olds had been remarkably parallel and
they began 2007 with the Serb ranked 16 in the world and Murray 17. Since
then, though, Djokovic has not only followed his US Open final appearance
with a first grand slam title in Australia but has become tactically more
aggressive and mentally stronger.

Murray, too, might have been challenging for big titles but for the wrist
injury which ruined five months of last year but, while he has recovered
well from this setback, he has yet to generate consistently either the
forcefulness of Djokovic or the capacity to impose it inside and further up
the court. Their divergent paths were reflected in yesterday's updated
rankings, when Murray slipped from ninth to 12th and Djokovic held firm at
3rd, behind Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal.

Djokovic gave warning of his year ahead after beating Murray both in Indian
Wells and at Miami 10 months ago. "You know, I'm trying to get to the net as
much as I can," he said then. "I'm still not going there so often but I'm
really trying to use every opportunity. My style, you know, is aggressive
and I'm going to work more on the volleys and on the serves to improve and
make my game perfect."

He has certainly used his flexible 6ft 3in frame to work hard on his serve,
which is heavier, on his ground strokes, which are more hustling, and on his
net game, with which he is more comfortable. These are ingredients similar
to those that Murray has been working on but the Scot's ability to introduce
them regularly into matches has fallen behind that of Djokovic.

Those two American defeats were salutary, according to Andrew Castle, the
former British No1 turned TV presenter. "Djokovic hits the ball harder and
heavier, no question," Castle said yesterday. "Which is why last year in
Indian Wells and Miami he delivered a lesson both times which must have been
quite a shock for Andy. And Andy has responded. It put him into the best 10
in the world. I still see his game as in great shape."

Castle adds: "What strikes me about Djokovic is that he has an aggressive
dimension Andy would like to have - taking a shorter ball and whacking it.
But there's no reason why Andy can't do it."

Murray's game tends to display cagier qualities. His creative ability is as
great as anyone's, providing him with multiple options everywhere, something
he has been painstakingly concerned to make work for him. Because his game
is made of more parts than most players, it takes more time, he believes, to
integrate.

"I knew it would take a bit longer for me to learn how to play the right
way," Murray said earlier this month. "I'm only just starting to understand
my game better."

Nevertheless Castle sees Murray's game as like Djokovic's. "I see them as
playing a similar game, with Djokovic's heavier and a little bit further up
the court," he said. "If you look at every piece of their games, they are
very similar. Neither serve-volleys unless it's a radical surprise but both
can do it. Both can stand at the back and can counter-attack all day long.
It's just that Djokovic does some things a little bit better at the moment
but it doesn't have to stay that way."

Castle also believes that both will be volleying more by the time they reach
their mid-20s. It is an area where Murray, who crashed out to the unseeded
losing finalist Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in the first round in Melbourne, may
prove to have the greater touch and vision.

He may also be able to match Djokovic's impressive athleticism. Although the
Serb's training back home sounds impressive - running up Mount Zlatibor, a
4,500ft peak in the Dinaric Alps - and, although he has wonderful stamina
and balance, Murray has excellent speed.

Where Murray may struggle is matching Djokovic's new mentality. Not that
Murray is weak in that area. But Djokovic, already hardened by harsh
personal experiences which included leaving home at 12, now believes he can
be a world-beater.

Victory over Federer in a Masters Series final has been followed by beating
him in a major championship and now by winning a major. Djokovic is in a new
stratosphere of self-belief. For the time being Murray can only imagine he
can match that.

Novak Djokovic

Age 20

Serve Harder

Return of serve Harder

Ground strokes

Harder and taken earlier

Volleys More frequent and sound

Temperament

Resilient, hard-boiled and tenacious

Mobility and fitness

Great stamina and balance


Andy Murray

Age 20

Serve More varied

Return of serve Consistent

Ground strokes

More passive, more varied and imaginative

Volleys More touch, more potential

Temperament

Cerebral streak, hints of volatility

Mobility and fitness

Great speed, improving stamina

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/tennis/story/0,,2248588,00.html

Iván
01-29-2008, 02:05 PM
I would say the Novak has improved massively on the volley front, working with Woodruff has helped alot.

Herdwick
01-29-2008, 02:15 PM
Murray is still too defensive and Nole at this point has more guts, more experience and bigger balls.

Farenhajt
01-29-2008, 04:39 PM
If Andy hits it off with the new coach (as it appears), he could do a good job even till the end of the year. Of course, his task is now somewhat more difficult, because 1-2 years ago there were 2 in the top mix, now there are 3.

griffin_230
01-29-2008, 04:50 PM
I would say the Novak has improved massively on the volley front, working with Woodruff has helped alot.


Yeah, Mark Woodforde helped him a lot last year:

Woodforde, who helped develop Djokovic's volleys last season, said Federer and Nadal routinely paid the world No. 3 the ultimate tennis compliment - scanning the draw before tournaments to find out where the Serb was.

"I think he's actually closed the gap," Woodforde said.

"The monopoly that Federer and Nadal had over everyone else is now very much threatened by Novak's presence.

"I'm sure that those two guys look around and they know where he is.

"He's probably the first person they look for if they're scanning the draw.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23104639-11088,00.html

hiperborejac
01-29-2008, 04:57 PM
This year AO Novak was fantastic on the net. Stat says about 75-80% points won!

Henry Chinaski
01-29-2008, 05:08 PM
Murray has a more varied serve than Djokovic? Good one.

Well Murray can do a big flat serve that bounces before the net, he can do a big flat one that goes beyond the baseline, he can do a big flat one that misses the tramlines and he can do a big flat one that gets him an ace. If that's variety then I guess Murray has it.
(He has improved this lately I'll admit)

BIGMARAT
01-29-2008, 05:59 PM
I actually see only a little comparision between them.

Nole does all things better than Murray.

hra87
01-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Who's better? The answer is obviously Djokovic (I was shocked this AO...where the hell did he learn to volley?).

Who will be better? I hope Murray, but not if he keeps playing standard boring tennis...he needs to find his own game.

World Beater
01-29-2008, 06:53 PM
Murray has a more varied serve than Djokovic? Good one.

Well Murray can do a big flat serve that bounces before the net, he can do a big flat one that goes beyond the baseline, he can do a big flat one that misses the tramlines and he can do a big flat one that gets him an ace. If that's variety then I guess Murray has it.
(He has improved this lately I'll admit)


:haha:

so true

Burrow
01-29-2008, 06:53 PM
I don't know who "Djoko" is.

NinaNina19
01-29-2008, 06:58 PM
We all know who has more talent and potential.

scarecrows
01-29-2008, 07:05 PM
We all know who has more talent and potential.

Jan Silva?