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Hatred of Novak/Rafael/Marat

Aloimeh
01-27-2008, 10:41 PM
I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.

savesthedizzle
01-27-2008, 10:44 PM
I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.


Nah there wasn't the same hatred. Especially not with Marat because he was a champion before Roger even was.. you know? So it's not like he was really a challenger.. plus on MTF, Marat can never do any wrong :D

I think a lot of the hate is his behavior/his parents behavior. He's had haters on here since the Monfils match in 2005.

Rafa and Roger have a mutual respect for each other that neither has with Novak also.. so that contributes to it too.

l_mac
01-27-2008, 10:49 PM
Safin isn't hated at all here. He is loved :lol:

There was a most definite turn around in the forum's general feeling for Rafa after he won RG in '05 and the 2006 clay season really compounded it.

Rafa and Roddick draw the most hatred, and Nole is coming up fast behind.

ReturnWinner
01-27-2008, 10:51 PM
Nah there wasn't the same hatred. Especially not with Marat because he was a champion before Roger even was.. you know? So it's not like he was really a challenger.. plus on MTF, Marat can never do any wrong :D

I think a lot of the hate is his behavior/his parents behavior. He's had haters on here since the Monfils match in 2005.

Rafa and Roger have a mutual respect for each other that neither has with Novak also.. so that contributes to it too.

Safin is not a prick Like Djokovic ,that is the reason why he was not very much hated

Allure
01-27-2008, 10:52 PM
I don't think Safin was hated when he won AO. A lot of MTFers were happy for him. Nadal did receive a lot heat for beating Roger and for his unorthodox game style. Djokovic is hated because of his family and his antics plain and simple. If he beat Roger but wasn't arrogant and his family was cool then I would be meh.

savesthedizzle
01-27-2008, 10:52 PM
Safin is not a prick Like Djokovic ,that is the reason why he was not very much hated

That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match :D

But that sort of thing is excused when it's Marat :rolls:

Allure
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match :D

Spitting at the crowd, excessive ball bouncing, whining, big mouth mother...

Bremen
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
That's certainly debatable. I haven't seen Novak break a chair yet during a match :D

But that sort of thing is excused when it's Marat :rolls:

You don't get it do you? Safin's antics are only directed towards himself.

Fee
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
Safin isn't hated at all here. He is loved :lol:

There was a most definite turn around in the forum's general feeling for Rafa after he won RG in '05 and the 2006 clay season really compounded it.

Rafa and Roddick draw the most hatred, and Nole is coming up fast behind.

Yeah, see... there's three in the mix. ;)

star
01-27-2008, 10:56 PM
I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.

Not the same toward Marat. The same when Rafael challenged Roger.

"admittedly disgraceful"?? Who admitted it? :lol:

But anyway, this just appears to be an outlet for people to justify their dislike of Djokovic. Have fun -- or I guess a lot of people already did. :)

Allure
01-27-2008, 10:56 PM
To be fair, Roddick might act like an asshole sometimes but his family was never involved like Djoko is. When he won the USO, his mother did not say ''Hail the new king. He will win infinity slams.''

savesthedizzle
01-27-2008, 10:57 PM
Spitting at the crowd, excessive ball bouncing, whining, big mouth mother...

I said originally I thought the hatred was brought on by his actions and his parents actions.

I'm just saying the unpopular opinion on MTF that I don't think Safin is exactly an :angel: either, that's all. :) I'm certainly not trying to say that Novak IS.

Bremen
01-27-2008, 10:58 PM
I said originally I thought the hatred was brought on by his actions and his parents actions.

I'm just saying the unpopular opinion on MTF that I don't think Safin is exactly an :angel: either, that's all. :) I'm certainly not trying to say that Novak IS.

Nobody thinks Safin's an angel. That's one of the reasons people love him the way they do.

Eden
01-27-2008, 10:58 PM
I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.

The main rule on MTF is the more successful you are the more hate you get. But a player who is successful also attracts much more people who write about him and feel the need to defend him.

MTF always collapses when Roger loses a match or Rafa gets a beatdown.

I'm pretty sure everything will calm down in a few days. No need to worry.

aeronatasha
01-27-2008, 10:59 PM
Spitting at the crowd, excessive ball bouncing, whining, big mouth mother...

He was not spitting at the crowd. The curse he said made it look that way, I assure you.:angel:

savesthedizzle
01-27-2008, 11:00 PM
Nobody thinks Safin's an angel. That's one of the reasons people love him the way they do.

:rolls: When I saw the match at Hamburg against Ferrero in 2005, it ruined him for me :lol: But to each their own :D

l_mac
01-27-2008, 11:00 PM
Yeah, see... there's three in the mix. ;)

:lol:

There certainly is. I might have to get off the Nole-hate train. It's getting too nasty. When everyone loved Novak (immediately following his defeat of Rafa at Montreal - fairly short lived :lol:) it was more fun being a dissenting voice.

Also having read so much about his parents recently, I'm starting to see why he behaves in the way that I don't appreciate. :sad:

A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:05 PM
:lol:

There certainly is. I might have to get off the Nole-hate train. It's getting too nasty. When everyone loved Novak (immediately following his defeat of Rafa at Montreal - fairly short lived :lol:) it was more fun being a dissenting voice.

Also having read so much about his parents recently, I'm starting to see why he behaves in the way that I don't appreciate. :sad:

A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.

His parents live through him because they could never make it as professional tennis players. When he won the AO, they grab the trophy and went, ''Look we won! We beat Tsonga! We all played a four setter!''

savesthedizzle
01-27-2008, 11:11 PM
A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.

I wish I knew. From what I hear, it seems his dad in particular is kind of trying to get more self-important by using Novak's celebrity. They welcome it because they are trying to steal a bit of his fame for themselves, is how I see it anyway. He seems to think everything the Serbian Tennis Federation does should be discussed with him first:

http://www.blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1313

I think it's funny he says he won't let anyone steal Novak's thunder. He's doing it himself :shrug: He's apparently also made threats that he won't let Novak play Davis Cup if this situation/drama is not resolved, according to what I've heard from some Serbian friends of mine (but that is not in this article).

I wish his management would control it more. I really do. *sigh*

Spes
01-27-2008, 11:15 PM
:lol:

There certainly is. I might have to get off the Nole-hate train. It's getting too nasty. When everyone loved Novak (immediately following his defeat of Rafa at Montreal - fairly short lived :lol:) it was more fun being a dissenting voice.

Also having read so much about his parents recently, I'm starting to see why he behaves in the way that I don't appreciate. :sad:

A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.

Nole and Rafa are very close to their families, but they have two very very different kinds of family.

Rafa's family is very quiet and just enjoy seeing their son do well.
Nole's family, on the other hand, has been through a lot with him, with the bombing and all. They all feel like one unit and are loud and proud, as the saying goes. ;)

I don't think Nole worries too much about what his parents are saying. I completely agree that someone needs to keep them in check, I just see his parents as the type of people who crave attention.

Fee
01-27-2008, 11:16 PM
There certainly is. I might have to get off the Nole-hate train. It's getting too nasty. When everyone loved Novak (immediately following his defeat of Rafa at Montreal - fairly short lived :lol:) it was more fun being a dissenting voice.

Also having read so much about his parents recently, I'm starting to see why he behaves in the way that I don't appreciate. :sad:

A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.


You know, I have no idea about Nole's family, to be honest. There are infamous stage parents in entertainment, and there are countless examples of 'interesting' tennis families as well. I am trying to put myself in their shoes. Here is an obviously close knit family whose oldest son is in a global spotlight, that's what we all see. But what did it take to get there? What have they lived through as a family, and what sacrifices did they make to bring them to this day? Yes, they have been successful business owners and all that, but their country was bombed and 'hated', they sent their oldest son away in order to help him succeed. This was not the comfy upbringing that so many of the US players seem to have. They trust each other, they know that no matter who else comes in and out of their lives, the members of this family will always be there to support, love, and protect each other. I didn't come from a family like that, so it's almost a foreign concept to me. I see a fierceness in the bond they show in public - the intense pride, the vociferous support, the pride, the joy, etc, etc, etc. Ask yourself how you would feel to have your family stand up in public and shout to the rooftops that they believe in you COMPLETELY. I get chills just thinking about that, it would be awesome...

With that said, his mother needs to stop talking. Nole's racquet is doing a fine job of that lately.

Farenhajt
01-27-2008, 11:18 PM
...He seems to think everything the Serbian Tennis Federation does should be discussed with him first...

I think there's quite a prozaic reason for that: his son earned quite a pile of money already, and that money could be put into a National Tennis Center of Serbia (which we painfully need, to be honest, and more than one too). So, having a capitalist mind (this IS 21st century after all), he feels that the guy with the dough (or at least the larger portion of it) should be calling the shots.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 11:18 PM
I think more people dislike Nole than Roddick at this point. Roddick doesn't really challenge for slams anymore, which means he's really not worth hating.

Safin isn't hated at all here. He is loved :lol:

There was a most definite turn around in the forum's general feeling for Rafa after he won RG in '05 and the 2006 clay season really compounded it.

Rafa and Roddick draw the most hatred, and Nole is coming up fast behind.

Bibir
01-27-2008, 11:18 PM
I'm just saying the unpopular opinion on MTF that I don't think Safin is exactly an :angel: either, that's all. :) I'm certainly not trying to say that Novak IS.
Since when it's unpopular? I remember many posters in GM who said the same thing about Safin.
But as you said there was no hatred towards him when he won AO because he was a champion before Roger, also because he had a nice history with the AO (lost two times in final) and the fact that he suffered a succession of injuries .

star
01-27-2008, 11:23 PM
You know, I have no idea about Nole's family, to be honest. There are infamous stage parents in entertainment, and there are countless examples of 'interesting' tennis families as well. I am trying to put myself in their shoes. Here is an obviously close knit family whose oldest son is in a global spotlight, that's what we all see. But what did it take to get there? What have they lived through as a family, and what sacrifices did they make to bring them to this day? Yes, they have been successful business owners and all that, but their country was bombed and 'hated', they sent their oldest son away in order to help him succeed. This was not the comfy upbringing that so many of the US players seem to have. They trust each other, they know that no matter who else comes in and out of their lives, the members of this family will always be there to support, love, and protect each other. I didn't come from a family like that, so it's almost a foreign concept to me. I see a fierceness in the bond they show in public - the intense pride, the vociferous support, the pride, the joy, etc, etc, etc. Ask yourself how you would feel to have your family stand up in public and shout to the rooftops that they believe in you COMPLETELY. I get chills just thinking about that, it would be awesome...

With that said, his mother needs to stop talking. Nole's racquet is doing a fine job of that lately.

I agree. I mean, my family would probably be reading books during the match. :) :)

Anyway, I have sympathy for the family, but I hope they figure out that they might be hurting as much or more than helping Novak.

rocketassist
01-27-2008, 11:24 PM
Federer and fedtards are the largest group on the forum, so of course anyone who beats him and takes grand slams off him is going to be hugely unpopular. :lol:

aeronatasha
01-27-2008, 11:24 PM
:lol:

There certainly is. I might have to get off the Nole-hate train. It's getting too nasty. When everyone loved Novak (immediately following his defeat of Rafa at Montreal - fairly short lived :lol:) it was more fun being a dissenting voice.

Also having read so much about his parents recently, I'm starting to see why he behaves in the way that I don't appreciate. :sad:

A serious question for Nole fans - why do his parents speak to the media so much and why don't his press people "control" it more? He has the same press agent as Rafa and, as a fan, I can say that little comes from his camp that doesn't read as if it has been Benito'd.


Novak still is just a kid. This is his first big moment. He'll grow up and start behaving better.

You have to understand he is currently THE MOST POPULAR SERB WALKING. You wouldn't believe the hype around here, it's like Moon landing or something, fireworks everywhere, there's gonna be a huge reception for him when he returns, all the major TV stations are going "SERBIA IS GRATEFUL", and there's just tennis, tennis, tennis everywhere and Novak's face around ever corner. Our commentator even said "Novak for president!".

And he didn't really ask for all of that, they keep following him around. The public here expects him to perform and win basically everytime he plays, and boy do we get mean if he doesn't.

It's hard not to let that influence you.:shrug:

Serbs expect a lot from all their sportsmen because that's just about the only thing that keeps us happy and distracted from all the troubles we're having. I'm guessing his parents thrive on that, and Novak is the most successful individual sport player we currently have. Am I getting through at all?

And I'm honestly not trying to defend him on all occasions since I also find some of his actions irritating from time to time, but hey, everyone makes mistakes.

And I'm not his fan (I'm a fan of Metallica only:o), I'm simply a supporter and compatriot of his and I like him for some unknown reasons and I don't mean to be disrespectful towards anyone for no good reason. I'm just happy for his win today. Put a smile on my face. The boy's got big heart and steel nerves, now I admire that. Those are the same qualities I noticed in Jo, so I started liking him too.

And it is just sport for me.:wavey:

And I still like you. Not that you care.:o

Alex999
01-27-2008, 11:53 PM
I'm a big fan of Novak's game and that's all I care about. However, I do agree that his family needs to calm down and pay attention what they are saying to reporters. I'm sure Novak will mature and sort this out.

star
01-27-2008, 11:59 PM
Novak still is just a kid. This is his first big moment. He'll grow up and start behaving better.

You have to understand he is currently THE MOST POPULAR SERB WALKING. You wouldn't believe the hype around here, it's like Moon landing or something, fireworks everywhere, there's gonna be a huge reception for him when he returns, all the major TV stations are going "SERBIA IS GRATEFUL", and there's just tennis, tennis, tennis everywhere and Novak's face around ever corner. Our commentator even said "Novak for president!".

And he didn't really ask for all of that, they keep following him around. The public here expects him to perform and win basically everytime he plays, and boy do we get mean if he doesn't.

It's hard not to let that influence you.:shrug:

Serbs expect a lot from all their sportsmen because that's just about the only thing that keeps us happy and distracted from all the troubles we're having. I'm guessing his parents thrive on that, and Novak is the most successful individual sport player we currently have. Am I getting through at all?

And I'm honestly not trying to defend him on all occasions since I also find some of his actions irritating from time to time, but hey, everyone makes mistakes.

And I'm not his fan (I'm a fan of Metallica only:o), I'm simply a supporter and compatriot of his and I like him for some unknown reasons and I don't mean to be disrespectful towards anyone for no good reason. I'm just happy for his win today. Put a smile on my face. The boy's got big heart and steel nerves, now I admire that. Those are the same qualities I noticed in Jo, so I started liking him too.

And it is just sport for me.:wavey:

And I still like you. Not that you care.:o

Thank you for that. That was every bit as charming as I find Novak. His win put a smile on my face too.
Your post put a smile on my face. :)

aeronatasha
01-28-2008, 12:05 AM
Thank you for that. That was every bit as charming as I find Novak. His win put a smile on my face too.
Your post put a smile on my face. :)

Likewise. :hug:

l_mac
01-28-2008, 12:09 AM
I think more people dislike Nole than Roddick at this point. Roddick doesn't really challenge for slams anymore, which means he's really not worth hating.

There is still a gleeful outpouring of joy and gloating every time Roddick loses.

I wish I knew. From what I hear, it seems his dad in particular is kind of trying to get more self-important by using Novak's celebrity. They welcome it because they are trying to steal a bit of his fame for themselves, is how I see it anyway. He seems to think everything the Serbian Tennis Federation does should be discussed with him first:

http://www.blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1313

I think it's funny he says he won't let anyone steal Novak's thunder. He's doing it himself :shrug: He's apparently also made threats that he won't let Novak play Davis Cup if this situation/drama is not resolved, according to what I've heard from some Serbian friends of mine (but that is not in this article).

I wish his management would control it more. I really do. *sigh*

Maybe now he's won the first Slam, they'll calm down.

Nole and Rafa are very close to their families, but they have two very very different kinds of family.

Rafa's family is very quiet and just enjoy seeing their son do well.
Nole's family, on the other hand, has been through a lot with him, with the bombing and all. They all feel like one unit and are loud and proud, as the saying goes. ;)

I don't think Nole worries too much about what his parents are saying. I completely agree that someone needs to keep them in check, I just see his parents as the type of people who crave attention.

You know, I have no idea about Nole's family, to be honest. There are infamous stage parents in entertainment, and there are countless examples of 'interesting' tennis families as well. I am trying to put myself in their shoes. Here is an obviously close knit family whose oldest son is in a global spotlight, that's what we all see. But what did it take to get there? What have they lived through as a family, and what sacrifices did they make to bring them to this day? Yes, they have been successful business owners and all that, but their country was bombed and 'hated', they sent their oldest son away in order to help him succeed. This was not the comfy upbringing that so many of the US players seem to have. They trust each other, they know that no matter who else comes in and out of their lives, the members of this family will always be there to support, love, and protect each other. I didn't come from a family like that, so it's almost a foreign concept to me. I see a fierceness in the bond they show in public - the intense pride, the vociferous support, the pride, the joy, etc, etc, etc. Ask yourself how you would feel to have your family stand up in public and shout to the rooftops that they believe in you COMPLETELY. I get chills just thinking about that, it would be awesome...

With that said, his mother needs to stop talking. Nole's racquet is doing a fine job of that lately.

It's my opinion that the family is too focused on Novak's career and success for it to be healthy for any of them. While I understand how proud and thrilled they must be I don't see why they would be any more proud/thrilled than any other tennis parent :shrug: And the way that they express their joy is not helpful to Novak or his image and I hope someone tells them that.

Novak still is just a kid. This is his first big moment. He'll grow up and start behaving better.

You have to understand he is currently THE MOST POPULAR SERB WALKING. You wouldn't believe the hype around here, it's like Moon landing or something, fireworks everywhere, there's gonna be a huge reception for him when he returns, all the major TV stations are going "SERBIA IS GRATEFUL", and there's just tennis, tennis, tennis everywhere and Novak's face around ever corner. Our commentator even said "Novak for president!".

And he didn't really ask for all of that, they keep following him around. The public here expects him to perform and win basically everytime he plays, and boy do we get mean if he doesn't.

It's hard not to let that influence you.:shrug:

Serbs expect a lot from all their sportsmen because that's just about the only thing that keeps us happy and distracted from all the troubles we're having. I'm guessing his parents thrive on that, and Novak is the most successful individual sport player we currently have. Am I getting through at all?

And I'm honestly not trying to defend him on all occasions since I also find some of his actions irritating from time to time, but hey, everyone makes mistakes.

And I'm not his fan (I'm a fan of Metallica only:o), I'm simply a supporter and compatriot of his and I like him for some unknown reasons and I don't mean to be disrespectful towards anyone for no good reason. I'm just happy for his win today. Put a smile on my face. The boy's got big heart and steel nerves, now I admire that. Those are the same qualities I noticed in Jo, so I started liking him too.

And it is just sport for me.:wavey:

And I still like you. Not that you care.:o

:lol: Why wouldn't you like me? :mad: I understand all that about Novak, truly. But if anything everything you have posted makes me more convinved than ever that he is surrounded by "yes" people who constantly tell him how amazing he is. His reaction to the crowds not being behind him in Melbourne also strengthens this feeling.

jasmin
01-28-2008, 12:22 AM
Big fed fan who likes Nadal (his personality) and Marat.

I do wonder how the guys on the tour like Djokovic.

aeronatasha
01-28-2008, 12:24 AM
:lol: Why wouldn't you like me? :mad: I understand all that about Novak, truly. But if anything everything you have posted makes me more convinved than ever that he is surrounded by "yes" people who constantly tell him how amazing he is. His reaction to the crowds not being behind him in Melbourne also strengthens this feeling.

I see what you mean, and it has taken a toll on him, I agree. But he is a showman and people person by nature, and been that way long before he was famous.

He is a warm and generous person once you get to meet him, or at least that's what Janko (Tipsarevic) told me, he's known him for years. (Janko is my father's best man's son - not sure about the right expression, sorry. Is there another word for it?).

I've met Novak briefly and he was really charming, like this really cute boy (I'm 4 years older than him, so I kinda expected him to be a brat).

I expect he'll improve.

I understand why people are annoyed, but I find some are taking it way too far.

guga2120
01-28-2008, 12:27 AM
I understand that Novak's family has drawn a lot of ire, especially his father's behavior in the stands and his mother's comments in pressers. However, this post has to do with the question of, how much of the current hatred towards Novak is derived from truly objective reasons and how much has to do with the challenge to Roger? When Marat Safin defeated Roger in the AO, was there this degree of dislike of him, or was it very different? Similarly, when Rafael established himself as a contender with Roger, was there a barrage of insults about Rafael, or was this also different?

I'm just trying to clarify to what degree the overwhelming hostility against Novak is due to his family's admittedly disgraceful behavior, and what part is due to his challenge to Roger/Rafael.

It's a good question, with Roger there is a segment of his fans that can not give any other player respect that beats federer, and if he loses it's b/c he was injured, he didn't care, or he was sick.

I don't think he is really challenging Nadal, b/c he is clearly a better hard court player than Nadal. He will be challenging Roger's dominance though. There is no question though if you win alot you will draw some fire.

Burrow
01-28-2008, 12:28 AM
Novak Djokovic is just arrogant, he is becoming more and more arrogant and that is clear. Maybe I even prefer Nadal over him. I can't decide. Safin is loved and rightfuly so, he is a respected man in tennis, he is a fair player, anything he does is only damaging himself and no others. (Breaking rackets, shouting at himself etc.)

wildegirl05
01-28-2008, 12:29 AM
i intensely dislike him and it's squarely his own personality, his antics on court with his parents/entourage a clear, close second. unfortunately i don't find anything attractive in his game to balance out these negative factors.

i don't think on my part it's a knee jerk reaction to beating roger or rafa. i liked rafa a lot from the beginning and he beat roger plenty of times. as have others, if you've followed roger long enough. :shrug: for me, it's just him.

Burrow
01-28-2008, 12:29 AM
Novak still is just a kid. This is his first big moment. He'll grow up and start behaving better.

You have to understand he is currently THE MOST POPULAR SERB WALKING. You wouldn't believe the hype around here, it's like Moon landing or something, fireworks everywhere, there's gonna be a huge reception for him when he returns, all the major TV stations are going "SERBIA IS GRATEFUL", and there's just tennis, tennis, tennis everywhere and Novak's face around ever corner. Our commentator even said "Novak for president!".

And he didn't really ask for all of that, they keep following him around. The public here expects him to perform and win basically everytime he plays, and boy do we get mean if he doesn't.

It's hard not to let that influence you.:shrug:

Serbs expect a lot from all their sportsmen because that's just about the only thing that keeps us happy and distracted from all the troubles we're having. I'm guessing his parents thrive on that, and Novak is the most successful individual sport player we currently have. Am I getting through at all?

And I'm honestly not trying to defend him on all occasions since I also find some of his actions irritating from time to time, but hey, everyone makes mistakes.

And I'm not his fan (I'm a fan of Metallica only:o), I'm simply a supporter and compatriot of his and I like him for some unknown reasons and I don't mean to be disrespectful towards anyone for no good reason. I'm just happy for his win today. Put a smile on my face. The boy's got big heart and steel nerves, now I admire that. Those are the same qualities I noticed in Jo, so I started liking him too.

And it is just sport for me.:wavey:

And I still like you. Not that you care.:o

A person who is nearing 21 years old is still a kid? Don't give me that bullshit. :wavey:

aeronatasha
01-28-2008, 12:36 AM
A person who is nearing 21 years old is still a kid? Don't give me that bullshit. :wavey:

A person who didn't see much of life besides tennis and started practicing at age 4 tends to have a different perspective on the world around him.

I'm not saying he's a retard for fuck's sake, he's game has matured quite a bit, and personally I find him very smart, but he still acts childlish in some aspects and I'm guessing that comes from his environment.

I know plenty of 20 year olds acting waaaaaaay worse than he does without accomplishing anything remotely significant in their lives.

Bremen
01-28-2008, 12:53 AM
A person who didn't see much of life besides tennis and started practicing at age 4 tends to have a different perspective on the world around him.

I'm not saying he's a retard for fuck's sake, he's game has matured quite a bit, and personally I find him very smart, but he still acts childlish in some aspects and I'm guessing that comes from his environment.

I know plenty of 20 year olds acting waaaaaaay worse than he does without accomplishing anything remotely significant in their lives.

That doesn't excuse his behaviour because some other 20 year olds are immature. Most tennis stars begin playing at a very young age and have also grown up in an isolated environment. Remember that time when Federer said he didn't know who Freud was?

aeronatasha
01-28-2008, 01:08 AM
That doesn't excuse his behaviour because some other 20 year olds are immature. Most tennis stars begin playing at a very young age and have also grown up in an isolated environment. Remember that time when Federer said he didn't know who Freud was?

I don't mean education wise, but communication wise. Always competing, tought never to give up.. You need a lot of self confidence along with talent and hard work to make this happen. If it was so easy, everyone would do it. Yeah he's full of himself and has crossed the line a few times, so what? Deal with it. Watch it blow right back at him, whatever.

I'm not trying to think of excuses. Every man for himself. Federer was not the smooth master of class reactions and had lots of nervous outrages when he first arrived at the scene. He's not exactly free of all diva fits even now, but hey, he's the best player in history and can affort some tantrums from time to time. We all have our moments, good and bad.

I'm just saying let some time pass. I believe it will blow out. Just ignore him if he upsets you so much.

Bremen
01-28-2008, 01:15 AM
I don't mean education wise, but communication wise. Always competing, tought never to give up.. You need a lot of self confidence along with talent and hard work to make this happen. If it was so easy, everyone would do it. Yeah he's full of himself and has crossed the line a few times, so what? Deal with it. Watch it blow right back at him, whatever.

I'm just saying let some time pass. I believe it will blow out. Just ignore him if he upsets you so much.

I was trying to say that ALL tennis players are isolated to an extent, I just used Federer as an example. Every top player has a certain amount of confidence, Novak just lets it show wayy too much. He should join the NBA.

He's kind of hard to ignore right now.

aeronatasha
01-28-2008, 01:31 AM
I was trying to say that ALL tennis players are isolated to an extent, I just used Federer as an example. Every top player has a certain amount of confidence, Novak just lets it show wayy too much. He should join the NBA.

He's kind of hard to ignore right now.

Having that much self confidence allows him to be extremely consistent and prevents having nervous breakdowns on important moments, and it can also display him as arrogant. You don't like it, but it provides results for him. If you think he'll stay the same person for the next 5 years..

So he's not your cup of tea. Fair enough. I happen to be impressed with the way he emerges from all those tight matches he played.

I find his game to be interesting. That's why I watch it. And I don't think he's a saint nor am I a fan of anyone.

Lee
01-28-2008, 03:18 AM
You know, I have no idea about Nole's family, to be honest. There are infamous stage parents in entertainment, and there are countless examples of 'interesting' tennis families as well. I am trying to put myself in their shoes. Here is an obviously close knit family whose oldest son is in a global spotlight, that's what we all see. But what did it take to get there? What have they lived through as a family, and what sacrifices did they make to bring them to this day? Yes, they have been successful business owners and all that, but their country was bombed and 'hated', they sent their oldest son away in order to help him succeed. This was not the comfy upbringing that so many of the US players seem to have. They trust each other, they know that no matter who else comes in and out of their lives, the members of this family will always be there to support, love, and protect each other. I didn't come from a family like that, so it's almost a foreign concept to me. I see a fierceness in the bond they show in public - the intense pride, the vociferous support, the pride, the joy, etc, etc, etc. Ask yourself how you would feel to have your family stand up in public and shout to the rooftops that they believe in you COMPLETELY. I get chills just thinking about that, it would be awesome...

With that said, his mother needs to stop talking. Nole's racquet is doing a fine job of that lately.

Very well said. For me growing up in a very tight, close knit family, it's much easier for me to understand the reason behind the dynamic of the Djokovics.



:lol: Why wouldn't you like me? :mad: I understand all that about Novak, truly. But if anything everything you have posted makes me more convinved than ever that he is surrounded by "yes" people who constantly tell him how amazing he is. His reaction to the crowds not being behind him in Melbourne also strengthens this feeling.

I don't think he's surrounded by "yes" people. Very simple example is he stopped doing impersonation. Also, he tried to reduce the ball bounce. Of course, the ball bouncing is his ritual for so many years and becomes part of his game, it's very difficult to change especially when the game was tight. Just like Nadal tried not to pull at his undie ;)

avocadoe
02-01-2008, 03:12 PM
I agree. I mean, my family would probably be reading books during the match. :) :)

Anyway, I have sympathy for the family, but I hope they figure out that they might be hurting as much or more than helping Novak.

and my parents wouldn't know I was playing, or if they did, they would leave as soon as I lost one point :) I think Djokoivc will become more comfortable as he wins more biggies and not need his parents to provide such ana animated presence. Up until now, I think its been helping him, as he leards to steady himself at BIG moments, and take his chances. He has already started to split off from what his Mom says, expressing his win over Federer in more realistic and gracious terms than she :) I think of Crsoby, Stills, and Nash, "Teach Your children Well," inversely, he'll teach his parents.

safinalium
02-01-2008, 05:45 PM
I also can't understand where all this hatred towards Nole comes from. I think that it's really disrespectful since he's a great player and right now he plays the best tennis in the world. I don't know him personally, so I can't talk about his character with certainty but from interviews I've gotten the impression that he's also a nice guy off-court. :) I remember that everyone adored him a few months ago when he made those funny imitations of Nadal, Federer, Sharapova. Maybe they aren't so fresh anymore but I still think he's funny and original. And he isn't responsible for his parents, he shouldn't take the blame for their actions. I've never seen Nole do something bad or arrogant which would make me hate him.
I also don't know how the reason for this hatred can be him challenging Federer. Exactly the opposite - people should be happy that the sport becomes more interesting and intriguing. :confused:

Corey Feldman
02-01-2008, 06:20 PM
I wish ppl in MTf would stop using the word 'hatred' , its overblown and if ppl dont like players then they dont like them

let them say what they want and stop crying :rolleyes:

siddy
02-01-2008, 06:33 PM
Federer: All greatness. Love everything about him.
Nadal: Humble in both victories and losses. Barring the fist pump [;)], I think he's great
Djokovic: He's what? 20? And he's acting like his age. No harm in it. He'll learn soon.

Federer wasn't especially love-able on court during his teens. It's normal "still too young" behaviour. Nadal is probably an exception to this.

lalaland
02-01-2008, 08:11 PM
This is MTF, hatred toward players need not be rational.

I think Nole brings in a new level of excitement to tennis because it's been a 2-men domination for the past couple years and now there is a legit challenger, this fact alone is enough reason to be excited about. Surely, he has not achieved anywhere close to Fed and Rafa. But it's not about his achievement at the moment, it's about his potential, and the potential of threatening Fed and Rafa for their thrones is really a good thing for tennis. I think the threat is making a lot of ppl uncomfortable. I disliked Roddick a lot back in those days in 2003 and 2004. I hated everything about him and especially when he beat my favorite, everything he did tick me off, whether it's justifiable or not. But over the years, this sentiment faded. I guess it's because he is no longer such a big threat as he once was. Besides, I think I learn to understand more of him. He is the same way as he was, but I get used to him. I still don't approved his behavior, but I don't get too bothered by it (he will lose soon enough, his emotional outbursts don't seem to do him any good anyway). Now, Nole is him to a lot of ppl now like Roddick was to me then. But Nole may win the whole thing and beat their favorites on his way, that possibility annoys a lot of ppl out there.

I like Nole. Although, I must admit that I dislike some of this emotional outbursts during the final, like that nodding his head thing after winning a crucial pt (cos that reminds me of Roddick). And his parents are annoying, almost as annoying as Yuri. But I understand where those are coming from. It's not about how much Nole achieved gives them the right to behave over the top, it's just their personality I supposed. My friend's little boy finally managed to swim a lap without stopping a million times in between, she was as excited as he has won the olympic. Some ppl are like that. The family wearing the letter on their sweater is very lame, but I can't deny their dedication, willing to embarrass themselves in front of millions just to show support to their son is admirable in my book. Still, I rather not see their family at all if there's possible. As for Nole himself, he shows a little immaturity the way he acted toward the crowd in AO. I hope he will grow out of it. I like to enjoy his victories in the future without having to feel guilty about excusing his behavior like the nodding after winning a point (ballbouncing though, it's not an antic, it's a habit).

Alex999
02-01-2008, 08:15 PM
My wife is pregnant, yey. We decided to call our new son Novak.