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Rolling for #1 in Rotterdam

Johnny Groove
01-27-2008, 05:52 PM
Next tourney, please :)

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 05:54 PM
Fair chance I'll finally be seeing him live in action! :)

Johnny Groove
01-27-2008, 05:56 PM
Be gentle :aplot:

hra87
01-27-2008, 06:02 PM
Be gentle :aplot:

That right arm of his will break like a twig.

yana
01-27-2008, 06:19 PM
When is this tournament?

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 06:21 PM
Be gentle :aplot:

Don't worry. I won't meddle with Roger's boyfriend. :angel:

MariaV
01-27-2008, 07:16 PM
When is this tournament?

February 18 - 24
VAMOS!!! :banana: :bigclap: :yippee:

Tess Gray
01-27-2008, 07:19 PM
Fair chance I'll finally be seeing him live in action! :)

same here:D

yana
01-27-2008, 07:33 PM
Thanks, Maria! A chance to get closer to Fed (in the rankings)... Still Vamosing Rafa!

Sunset of Age
01-28-2008, 12:28 AM
same here:D

How about meeting up over there, Tessjuh, my fellow Porcupine Tree-lover??? :) :) :) :hug:

l_mac
01-28-2008, 01:19 AM
The thread title is embarassing and upsetting :bigcry:

Maybe you should change it to "Clinging onto #2 in Rotterdam!" :lol:

Really strong entry list for this field, but a lot of those players are also playing Marseille, so maybe there will be withdrawls. :shrug:

Entry List:

1 Nadal, Rafael ESP 2 :) :hearts:
2 Djokovic, Novak SRB 3 :rolleyes:
3 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
4 Ferrer, David ESP 5
5 Murray, Andy GBR 9 :)
6 Robredo, Tommy ESP 11
7 Berdych, Tomas CZE 14 :scared:
8 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 15 :scared:
9 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 19
10 Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 21
11 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 22
12 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 24
13 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 26
14 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 27 :drool:
15 Simon, Gilles FRA 30
16 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 31
17 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 35
18 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 36
19 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 38 :scared:
20 Monfils, Gael FRA 42 :mad:
21 Mahut, Nicolas FRA 44
22 Seppi, Andreas ITA 47
23 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 48
24 Berrer, Michael GER 52
25 Soderling, Robin SWE 53 :fiery:
26 (Q)
27 (Q)
28 (Q)
29 (Q)
30 (WC) Haase, Robin NED
31 (WC) Sluiter, Raemon NED
32 (WC)

Tess Gray
01-28-2008, 06:06 PM
How about meeting up over there, Tessjuh, my fellow Porcupine Tree-lover??? :) :) :) :hug:

well.. I only have limited money so I only get to go one day (friday evening). But if you happen to be there the same day, defenitly seeing you there!:D

(PT :music: :p)

NaDALiTa
01-29-2008, 10:22 PM
Vamos Rafa in Rotterdam !!!

(wooow the entry list is really impressive...and dangerous for Rafa :lol: )

Tnn74
01-29-2008, 11:02 PM
Yes, the Entry list is extremely dangerous, strong field indeed...
seems like all his problem children are going to play there :lol:
but Vamos Rafa! put up a strong showing in Rotterdam! :bounce:

NaDALiTa
01-29-2008, 11:07 PM
I thought he was supposed to play in south america this winter,that what he said last year :shrug:

Getta
01-29-2008, 11:18 PM
Ancient news. Where have you been?

l_mac
01-29-2008, 11:18 PM
I thought he was supposed to play in south america this winter,that what he said last year :shrug:


There's a lot of discussion about this matter on the Schedule 2008 thread if you want to read it ;)

NaDALiTa
01-29-2008, 11:28 PM
There's a lot of discussion about this matter on the Schedule 2008 thread if you want to read it ;)

Thanks i'll have a look at it :) The good thing is that he won't play Marseille...i went twice ,the first time he lost to Clément and second time he got injured the week before at the Davis Cup!

l_mac
01-29-2008, 11:30 PM
Ancient news. Where have you been?


What a fan you've become! :hug:

You still haven't really given us your "what turned me" story. I need more deets.

Aenea
01-31-2008, 02:27 PM
A dangerous entry list. :scared:

Fortunately Rafa will have to play only 5 of them (assuming he makes it to the final). Maybe this is the only tournament Djokovic won't be in Rafa's half of the draw for sure. :)

Xristos
01-31-2008, 05:14 PM
I highly doubt Raf will play this.

Metis
01-31-2008, 05:21 PM
^^^ Why? You know something we don't?

l_mac
01-31-2008, 09:14 PM
He'll play it unless he's injured.

He doesn't like to go 5 weeks without playing.

Getta
01-31-2008, 10:33 PM
Xristos can't understand how is it possible Rafa to play Rotterdan and avoid playing Kooyong.

Well, Xristos, ordinary people like us should never ask the dark motives the gifted ones have. :shrug:


:topic: Linda, quieres saber muchos detalles. Esta noche, poco mas, tendras todo lo que buscas. :hug:

Carlita
01-31-2008, 10:41 PM
I highly doubt Raf will play this.he better! I don't think he will or can cancel again, (unless there's something wrong of course) There is a clip on the website and he says he wants his name on the boarding in the Ahoy :haha: (That would be lovely, where do I sign :D)

It's always wait and see of course ;)

Metis
01-31-2008, 10:57 PM
Linda I see you snatched that gorgeous photo for your avatar :mad:.




:topic: Linda, quieres saber muchos detalles. Esta noche, poco mas, tendras todo lo que buscas. :hug:


So much suspense... :lol:


he better! I don't think he will or can cancel again, (unless there's something wrong of course) There is a clip on the website and he says he wants his name on the boarding in the Ahoy :haha: (That would be lovely, where do I sign :D)

It's always wait and see of course ;)


:confused: I have no idea what you're talking about :lol:

l_mac
01-31-2008, 11:02 PM
Linda I see you snatched that gorgeous photo for your avatar :mad:.


I will gladly give it up if you want to make it your first ever rafa avatar! :

:confused: I have no idea what you're talking about :lol:

VlyjGJOIhxw

Metis
01-31-2008, 11:21 PM
I will gladly give it up if you want to make it your first ever rafa avatar! :


Meh, my avatar is much smaller, it won't look that good.


Thanks for the video. My Spanish is far from perfect and the only part of the video I can't fully understand is probably the one I was wondering about :lol: but I thought he said he hopes to be up there in the photo of the tournament winners (?).


my question still is: What 's the boarding in the Ahoy?

l_mac
01-31-2008, 11:27 PM
Meh, my avatar is much smaller, it won't look that good.


Thanks for the video. My Spanish is far from perfect and the only part of the video I can't fully understand is probably the one I was wondering about :lol: but I thought he said he hopes to be up there in the photo of the tournament winners (?).


my question still is: What 's the boarding in the Ahoy?

Isn't the Ahoy the name of the arena? And he wants his name on the Champion's board?

<----------- no idea, just guessing :lol:

Meh, my avatar is much smaller, it won't look that good.
:secret:It'll still look better than the one you've got now :o

:lol:

J/K in case any rabid Pics fans are reading. I :hearts: Ferru.

Metis
01-31-2008, 11:37 PM
Isn't the Ahoy the name of the arena? And he wants his name on the Champion's board?

<----------- no idea, just guessing :lol:



OK, that makes sense then. I didn't know that was the name of the arena :tape:.



:secret:It'll still look better than the one you've got now :o

:lol:

J/K in case any rabid Pics fans are reading. I :hearts: Ferru.

:lol: I've had Pics there for quite a long time. I need a change. Not Rafa though....

tennizen
01-31-2008, 11:40 PM
Meh, my avatar is much smaller, it won't look that good.


Thanks for the video. My Spanish is far from perfect and the only part of the video I can't fully understand is probably the one I was wondering about :lol: but I thought he said he hopes to be up there in the photo of the tournament winners (?).


my question still is: What 's the boarding in the Ahoy?

I saw a video of the Rotterdam final and I think they put the name of winners on boardings all around the center court. That's what he is talking abt I guess

Carlita
02-01-2008, 06:34 AM
my question still is: What 's the boarding in the Ahoy?:lol: Ahoy is the name of the venue and the boarding is all around the centre court in between the audience. All the winners' names are on there. And 2008 will have ....... when we start and during the prize ceremony on Sunday they will put the winner's name there too :)

the green bit on this pic:

http://www.air-events.nl/images/abn-ahoy.jpg

Metis
02-01-2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks for your answers tennizen and Carlita and thanks for the photo Carlita. I see Escude was the winner in 01/02 and Mirnyi in 03. Fingers crossed for the 08 winner :D.

Tnn74
02-01-2008, 10:00 PM
Rafa's name would look perfect on there for '08 :angel:

Sunset of Age
02-02-2008, 12:25 AM
Rafa's name would look perfect on there for '08 :angel:

Absolutely! I hope he gets the job done here. Wouldn't be very happy if it would say 'Djokovich', I have to admit. :angel:
At least he won't be meeting him there until the final. :yeah:

Tnn74
02-02-2008, 01:03 AM
Absolutely! I hope he gets the job done here. Wouldn't be very happy if it would say 'Djokovich', I have to admit. :angel:
At least he won't be meeting him there until the final. :yeah:

Yes, I really hope he will have a great showing here, if he wins it would be such a great confident booster to go further at Dubai and defend his title at IW (which I will be there, of course :angel:)...

As far as Djokovic, I wouldn't complain if he decides to just skip Rotterdam altogether ;)

**On a random note: My Rafa 2008 Calendar just arrived and it's muyyy awesome :yeah:

Sunset of Age
02-03-2008, 10:40 PM
As far as Djokovic, I wouldn't complain if he decides to just skip Rotterdam altogether ;)

I don't think that will happen, he has semi-final points to defend there.

**On a random note: My Rafa 2008 Calendar just arrived and it's muyyy awesome :yeah:

I can well imagine that. :drool:

GuiroNl
02-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Can't wait, Nadal in my hometown :cool:. I've got SF tickets (both matches), so he better make it that far :mad:

l_mac
02-04-2008, 04:48 PM
Can't wait, Nadal in my hometown :cool:. I've got SF tickets (both matches), so he better make it that far :mad:

I'd start praying :o

GuiroNl
02-04-2008, 05:02 PM
I'm praying that at least one out of Nadal, Hewitt, Karlovic or Davydenko makes it :haha:.

Tnn74
02-05-2008, 12:10 AM
Rafa WILL make it! :angel:

Sunset of Age
02-05-2008, 12:17 AM
Rafa WILL make it! :angel:

Good chance he will. But... I thought so at the AO as well... so I'm not going to make any predictions before the draw comes out (and even that doesn't always say much... :tape:)

At least we'll know for sure that Djoko will be on the other half of the draw.

Tnn74
02-05-2008, 01:15 AM
Good chance he will. But... I thought so at the AO as well... so I'm not going to make any predictions before the draw comes out (and even that doesn't always say much... :tape:)

At least we'll know for sure that Djoko will be on the other half of the draw.

I agree... as we are talking about Hardcourt, afterall...
but I'm trying to be optimistic, besides, he doesn't have any points to defend here, so he should be able to play some great tennis :yeah:

Ti-Anne
02-11-2008, 02:35 PM
:lol: Ahoy is the name of the venue and the boarding is all around the centre court in between the audience. All the winners' names are on there. And 2008 will have ....... when we start and during the prize ceremony on Sunday they will put the winner's name there too :)

the green bit on this pic:

http://www.air-events.nl/images/abn-ahoy.jpg

Brings back good memories dear :D
How's everyone here ? :wavey:
I've not been around for AGES !!!! :eek:

Sunset of Age
02-12-2008, 02:00 AM
I agree... as we are talking about Hardcourt, afterall...
but I'm trying to be optimistic, besides, he doesn't have any points to defend here, so he should be able to play some great tennis :yeah:

Every point he picks up here is a nice addition. However - final or semi would be very good. Hope he gets that far. But there are a few Killers on the Loose - Tsonga, Youzhny, to name a few. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess that's only realistic, as it indeed is hardcourt...

EDIT: personally, I am really looking forward to a match between Tsonga-in-his-AO-form and Djoko. :devil:

Brings back good memories dear :D
How's everyone here ? :wavey:
I've not been around for AGES !!!! :eek:

Hi Ti-Anne! :wavey:

Well speaking for myself - doing fine. Hope you are, too!
Going to Rotterdam to see Rafa?

Tnn74
02-12-2008, 09:40 PM
Every point he picks up here is a nice addition. However - final or semi would be very good. Hope he gets that far. But there are a few Killers on the Loose - Tsonga, Youzhny, to name a few. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess that's only realistic, as it indeed is hardcourt...

EDIT: personally, I am really looking forward to a match between Tsonga-in-his-AO-form and Djoko. :devil:




As am I :angel:
I don't know why they won't allow me to rep you again,
but know that you're loved :hug:

Sunset of Age
02-12-2008, 11:45 PM
As am I :angel:
I don't know why they won't allow me to rep you again,
but know that you're loved :hug:

:hug: :hug: :hug:

That repping system can be a real pain in the famooosse ass at times. It very often doesn't let me rep people either. :shrug:

I'm hoping for a nice livestream for Rotterdam, now that I've decided not to go there. :D

GuiroNl
02-13-2008, 10:52 AM
:hug: :hug: :hug:

That repping system can be a real pain in the famooosse ass at times. It very often doesn't let me rep people either. :shrug:

I'm hoping for a nice livestream for Rotterdam, now that I've decided not to go there. :D

Isn't NOS supposed to broadcast this? If they do, they will probably have a livestream as well. Those streams are usually great :) (when they decide to broadcast that is :mad:).

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-13-2008, 01:42 PM
Isn't NOS supposed to broadcast this? If they do, they will probably have a livestream as well. Those streams are usually great :) (when they decide to broadcast that is :mad:).


What is NOS??? How do I get the live stream if it happens????
Thank you for your help.

Castafiore
02-13-2008, 01:52 PM
NOS stands for Nederlandse OmroepStichting (I think). It's Dutch tv.

The last time I checked livestreaming offered by NOS, you could only watch it in The Netherlands (a bit like how quite a few videos on the BBC website are impossible to view outside the UK).

You can try this link, though:
http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/artikelen/2007/2/16/16010800abnamrotennistoernooilive.html

Tess Gray
02-13-2008, 02:27 PM
:hug: :hug: :hug:


I'm hoping for a nice livestream for Rotterdam, now that I've decided not to go there. :D

why aren't you going?:)

NOS stands for Nederlandse OmroepStichting (I think). It's Dutch tv.

The last time I checked livestreaming offered by NOS, you could only watch it in The Netherlands (a bit like how quite a few videos on the BBC website are impossible to view outside the UK).

You can try this link, though:
http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/artikelen/2007/2/16/16010800abnamrotennistoernooilive.html

I think they only broadcast the final, I don't know about live-stream though...

Sunset of Age
02-13-2008, 03:16 PM
why aren't you going?:)

Ehm... it's partly a money thing. Nasty stuff, you can only spend it once, and I've been throwing it out like confetti the past few months. :o

But moreover - I just don't want to spend money on seeing matches I don't want to see. And as for now, as long as the draw isn't out, that's the risk you'll have to take when buying tickets in advance.

What I'll probably do, is hang around the Ahoy-hal to see if I can grab something last-minute. With concerts it always works. ;)
I'll PM you when I do. :hug:

I think they only broadcast the final, I don't know about live-stream though...

As far as I remember, they did last year, yes (and perhaps the semis but I can't really remember). And only little bits and pieces of the other matches. :mad:

It may well be different this year though, as the line-up is absolutely FANTASTIC (provided everyone will indeed play) - last year it was one big Withdrawal Fest, so that may well have influenced the broadcasting schedule. Let's keep our fingers crossed it will be better this year.

And as far as I know, Betfair.com will be livestreaming the tournament as well.

yana
02-13-2008, 10:03 PM
Ho hum another tournament another trophy for Rafa. Vamos. :devil:


Tangy, we'll be lucky if he'll pass round one :p

hra87
02-14-2008, 03:52 AM
Tangy, we'll be lucky if he'll pass round one :p

We should just be happy he doesn't have to play qualifiers!

Tnn74
02-14-2008, 11:45 PM
Any word on when Raf will arrive in Rotterdam...?

l_mac
02-14-2008, 11:48 PM
Any word on when Raf will arrive in Rotterdam...?

Tomorrow, supposedly.

He's been busy promoting his new charidee in Manacor.

MariaV
02-15-2008, 09:11 AM
Tomorrow, supposedly.

He's been busy promoting his new charidee in Manacor.

He's such a good boy, isn't he! Bless him! :angel:

yana
02-15-2008, 10:55 AM
We should just be happy he doesn't have to play qualifiers!


We're blessed indeed... Nice avie :p

Hra, which country are you originally from?

Sunset of Age
02-15-2008, 04:16 PM
Rumour has it that Djoko won't play in Rotterdam. No bad news for Raf, I'd say.

l_mac
02-15-2008, 04:18 PM
Rumour has it that Djoko won't play in Rotterdam. No bad news for Raf, I'd say.


Really? :woohoo: I thought it was Dubai he was skipping. TBH, I wouldn't care if he skipped both. I'm pretty tired of him :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-15-2008, 04:20 PM
Really? :woohoo: I thought it was Dubai he was skipping. TBH, I wouldn't care if he skipped both. I'm pretty tired of him :lol:

Confirmed here: http://www.telesport.nl/tennis/3309480/_Djokovic_meldt_zich_af_voor__Rotterdam___.html - sorry, it's in Dutch...

Tsonga won't be there either. Well, eh, Raf - better take this title! :p

l_mac
02-15-2008, 04:21 PM
Confirmed here: http://www.telesport.nl/tennis/3309480/_Djokovic_meldt_zich_af_voor__Rotterdam___.html - sorry, it's in Dutch...

Tsonga won't be there either. Well, eh, Raf - better take this title! :p

Is Tsonga injured too, Karin? I hope not too many other players withdraw. Poor Richard.

Sunset of Age
02-15-2008, 04:24 PM
Is Tsonga injured too, Karin? I hope not too many other players withdraw. Poor Richard.

Tsonga has stated that he is 'oververmoeid' = exhausted...

http://www.telesport.nl/tennis/3298078/_Tsonga_niet_naar_Rotterdam__.html

I can understand that. But for Richard these withdrawals SUCK of course.

EDIT: Tsonga also stated that he WILL come to Rotterdam somewhere during the week to meet the crowd and to get to know the tournament better. He's quite a dearie, isn't he?

hra87
02-15-2008, 06:27 PM
We're blessed indeed... Nice avie :p

Hra, which country are you originally from?

Same as flag. Is my English subpar?

Getta
02-15-2008, 06:35 PM
Same as flag. Is my English subpar?


:lol:

Tnn74
02-15-2008, 09:19 PM
Oh my gosh l_mac, your avi is crackin' me up :lol:

I read somewhere that Djoker's calendar on his website didn't list Rotterdam and/or Dubai, I guess it's great that he doesn't attend both, I'm not complaining :angel:

Vamos Rafa! go get your glory in Rotterdam :yeah:

Tess Gray
02-16-2008, 04:13 PM
Oh my gosh l_mac, your avi is crackin' me up :lol:

I read somewhere that Djoker's calendar on his website didn't list Rotterdam and/or Dubai, I guess it's great that he doesn't attend both, I'm not complaining :angel:

Vamos Rafa! go get your glory in Rotterdam :yeah:

I think it's official now that he will play dubai... so too bad for you :p

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 04:17 PM
I think it's official now that he will play dubai... so too bad for you :p

Djoko would be a real fool not to turn up in Dubai... the appearance fee over there is outragious... :lol:

PS Tess: very nice interview with Rafa in today's AD - I'll scan it for you if you like.
Nothing new, it's obviously an interview translated from Spanish, but he does have quite a few things to say which are interesting at least - just to name one thing, don't think he doesn't care about not getting the #1 position - he's very open about it that it IS indeed one of his main goals.

cmurray
02-16-2008, 04:23 PM
Rafa can't actually GET to number one if he wins Rotterdam, right? I don't care much about the #1 ranking deal, so I don't pay attention to it all that much. :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Rafa can't actually GET to number one if he wins Rotterdam, right? I don't care much about the #1 ranking deal, so I don't pay attention to it all that much. :lol:

No. In fact, he didn't say so in the context of the Rotterdam tournament - he spoke about reaching that position in general, the fact that he has by now piled up more points than Sampras ever did while being #1, and of course... the Curse of having to play in the same era as Roger (who gets all the credits for that, as Rafa is as always as courtagious and respectful as he is).

Translation of that little part of the interview:

"I already amouted the total points of a No. 1 for over three years, without actually being it, and all I can say about that is... " (hesitates to say it here, but continues later on...) "Una putada!"

I leave the translation of THAT term to your own imagination, :lol:.

"Of course, it would have been better for me if Federer hadn't existed. He's been there all along during my entire Tennis career. Everyone wants to be the No.1, me too. But statistics clearly show that Federer is the better player and I have to accept that. The only thing I can do is keep on working very hard. In case I still don't succeed to pass him, I can still say I've had a fantastic career, having fought duels for years with the best player ever."

I hope I find time to upload the whole thing but for now I've gotta run... :wavey:

Tess Gray
02-16-2008, 04:46 PM
Djoko would be a real fool not to turn up in Dubai... the appearance fee over there is outragious... :lol:

PS Tess: very nice interview with Rafa in today's AD - I'll scan it for you if you like.Nothing new, it's obviously an interview translated from Spanish, but he does have quite a few things to say which are interesting at least - just to name one thing, don't think he doesn't care about not getting the #1 position - he's very open about it that it IS indeed one of his main goals.


If you could, please because I don't have the AD. There was a big interview with Djokovic today in The Telegraaf, but I don't think there are a lot of Djokovic fans over here haha;)

cmurray
02-16-2008, 04:55 PM
"Una putada!"


Thanks for the translation. :) una putada....It's a bitch? :shrug:

:haha::haha:

Castafiore
02-16-2008, 05:05 PM
That Dutch article Karin is referring to is indeed a good one!

You can find it online:
http://www.ad.nl/sport/article2057070.ece

The translation of that article was posted on vamosbrigade.com for those interested but I'm not going to post it here. You know the way to the site.

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 05:31 PM
If you could, please because I don't have the AD. There was a big interview with Djokovic today in The Telegraaf, but I don't think there are a lot of Djokovic fans over here haha;)

Haha, de Telegraaf... once a piece of toilet paper, always, yada yada yada.
(Well in all honesty, the AD isn't much better... :awww:)

Give me a bit of time, and I'll send the scans over to you. I'm having a bit of trouble with my scanner right now, so I guess that will be Monday... okay? :hug:

Thanks for the translation. :) una putada....It's a bitch? :shrug:

:haha::haha:

Something like that, yeah. The translator of the Dutch article called it a 'klotestreek' - and I think that's pretty spot-on, though 'klote' means 'balls' (of the Masculine kind, yes), while 'putada' rather refers to some part female if I'm correct about that. Anyway, the line of thought is pretty clear.

That Dutch article Karin is referring to is indeed a good one!

You can find it online:
http://www.ad.nl/sport/article2057070.ece

The translation of that article was posted on vamosbrigade.com for those interested but I'm not going to post it here. You know the way to the site.

Thanks for the online link. I'll bet there'll be more interviews coming up soon.

Castafiore
02-16-2008, 05:39 PM
Karin, I was reading a couple of the comments (to articles about the ABN Amro Rotterdam tournament) posted on the site of De Telegraaf. Krajicek seems to be quite unpopular. Any idea why exactly?

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 05:54 PM
Karin, I was reading a couple of the comments (to articles about the ABN Amro Rotterdam tournament) posted on the site of De Telegraaf. Krajicek seems to be quite unpopular. Any idea why exactly?

Well... I don't know for sure (and I personally don't share those opinions at all), but a lot of people seemed to be pissed off that during the past few years he always announced a lot of players to the tournament which in the end didn't show up/play... :shrug:
That's the only reason which I can think off - and it doesn't make any sense of course, as Richard has no influence on players' schedules, health etc. :(

Oh, the recent ABN/AMRO scandal might have something to do with it as well - the bank has been firing people on a huge scale while making atrocious profits. Doesn't go down well over here - especially not if they still seem to be able to sponsor a billion dollar-sports event.
Nothing to blame Richard for though, IMHO. :shrug:

Okay, the more Meanie reasons (do realize this is all rubbish/gossip :o):

A lot of people seem to think he's pretty arrogant (hey, where did I hear that before?)...

Oh and his wife Daphne Deckers is regarded to be a brainless bimbo by lot of people. She recently got into trouble after hitting a paparazzi with a glass of wine, saying her privacy was intruded, while she is well-known for calling the paparazzi herself whenever she hasn't been mentioned in the Privé for more than a few weeks, :lol:.

As for me I think he's a pretty nice guy, trying to do his job as well as he can. And he can't be blamed for what his wife does I think - it shouldn't even be of interest at all.

Castafiore
02-16-2008, 06:09 PM
Well... I don't know for sure (and I personally don't share those opinions at all), but a lot of people seemed to be pissed off that during the past few years he always announced a lot of players to the tournament which in the end didn't show up/play... :shrug:

Doesn't make any sense indeed. What's a tournament director supposed to do then? Just stick with mediocre players who don't tend to go far in draws because that way, there's a bigger chance that they will actually show up?

***
Interesting to see Rafa and Tommy Robredo playing doubles together in Rotterdam. They used to be quite good together. The annoying part is that their first match is against Lopez/Verdasco but there's a good chance that this could be a fun match to watch (if you can actually watch it, that is)

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 06:17 PM
Doesn't make any sense indeed. What's a tournament director supposed to do then? Just stick with mediocre players who don't tend to go far in draws because that way, there's a bigger chance that they will actually show up?

I think it's a clear case of 'Damned if you do, damned if you don't'. The guy just can't do good for everyone. Last year he was also critized for the 'weak field' he brought together... as if Djoko, Youzhny etc. are in fact weak players! :o

Interesting to see Rafa and Tommy Robredo playing doubles together in Rotterdam. They used to be quite good together. The annoying part is that their first match is against Lopez/Verdasco but there's a good chance that this could be a fun match to watch (if you can actually watch it, that is)

Sure. It's obvious that Rafa is willing to do everything to please the crowd :D.
I don't think it will be broadcasted anywhere, but let's hope there'll be some livestream around as this is obviously a match a lot of people would like to see.

Haven't you thought of going, Hilde? Or is too far away from where you live?
I might still go to see a match or two - if I get the chance and my schedule allows it... :)

Castafiore
02-16-2008, 06:20 PM
Haven't you thought of going, Hilde? Or is too far away from where you live?
I might still go to see a match or two - if I get the chance and my schedule allows it... :)
I have thought about it and it's not that far away from where I live (there's an excellent train connection between my home town and Rotterdam...I can be there in 1,5 hours) but no, I'm not going this year. Maybe some other year. This year, I'm going to Monte Carlo. :cool:

Sunset of Age
02-16-2008, 06:29 PM
I have thought about it and it's not that far away from where I live (there's an excellent train connection between my home town and Rotterdam...I can be there in 1,5 hours) but no, I'm not going this year. Maybe some other year. This year, I'm going to Monte Carlo. :cool:

Monte Carlo!!! WOW. That's just great! One of the best tournaments to attend so I've heard... :yeah:

Okay, off now...
Hopefully a very good final tomorrow - and a working livestream... ;)

Castafiore
02-16-2008, 08:06 PM
The Rotterdam draw:

(1) NADAL, Rafael ESP v. TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS
HEWITT, Lleyton AUS v. SEPPI, Andreas ITA
NIEMINEN, Jarkko FIN v. VERDASCO, Fernando ESP
(8) BAGHDATIS, Marcos CYP (WC) v. SODERLING, Robin SWE

(4) YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS v. TIPSAREVIC, Janko SRB
LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP v. SIMON, Gilles FRA
MAHUT, Nicolas FRA v. ROBREDO, Tommy ESP
(7) FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP v. QUALIFIER

(5) BERDYCH, Tomas CZE v. LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO
KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO v. ROCHUS, Olivier BEL
QUALIFIER v. KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp GER
(3) FERRER, David ESP v. BOLELLI, Simone ITA

(6) MURRAY, Andy GBR v. HAASE, Robin NED (WC)
QUALIFIER v. BERRER, Michael GER
SLUITER, Raemon NED (WC) v. LLODRA, Michael FRA
(2) DAVYDENKO, Nikolay v. QUALIFIER

Aenea
02-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Good luck, Rafa.

No easy draw in this tournament but I hope for the best. :)

Getta
02-16-2008, 08:19 PM
Thanks, Hilde, for posting the draw here. :) Not an easy draw for Rafa.
Rafa and Marcos are the seeded players who got the most tricky opponents in their opening matches.

Good luck, Rafa. :rocker2:

Metis
02-16-2008, 09:14 PM
I don't like that Marcos and Rafa could meet in the QF :(. They both have tricky 1st round matches esp. Rafa who hasn't played since AO... Murray has an easy draw though.

sabrina468
02-16-2008, 09:40 PM
i watched Nadal practise today.. There were more people watching Rafa practise than there were people watching the qualies :)

Vamos Rafa!

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-16-2008, 10:39 PM
I was hoping (and I know hoping this is not the nicest) but I was hoping that Marcos wouldlose early in france and be deflated.

Go Rafa. Be healthy, have fun and WIN!!!!!!!

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-16-2008, 10:40 PM
i watched Nadal practise today.. There were more people watching Rafa practise than there were people watching the qualies :)

Vamos Rafa!



Were you watching in person or somewhere on line???

How did Rafa look and move????

cmurray
02-16-2008, 10:43 PM
thanks for the draw Hilde. Not an easy draw to say the least. Dima in the first round? Sheesh.

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-16-2008, 10:48 PM
[QUOTE=cmurray;6588918]thanks for the draw Hilde. Not an easy draw to say the least. Dima in the first round? Sheesh.[/QUOTE


If rafa can win against TURSUNOV right off the bat, that will give him a huge shot of self belief. TURSUNOv is not some unknown. :rolleyes:

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-17-2008, 12:04 AM
I just saw that Marcos lost in France. Yea. Better for Rafa so some of the powerful winning feeling can be lessened. Just in time.

Tnn74
02-17-2008, 01:17 AM
pretty risky draw indeed...
but as always, nothing comes easy,
especially most of the time Rafa plays :awww:
but he will win! vamos! :rocker:

Sunset of Age
02-17-2008, 03:48 PM
Wouldn't be too worried about Tursunov. He's got the looks, but lacks a brain... ;)

Johnny Groove
02-17-2008, 05:09 PM
Potential Road to final:

R1- Tursunov
R2- Hewitt
QF- Baghdatis
SF- Youzhny
F- Pics/Murray/Berdych/Davydenko

:tape: :tape:

So much for cakewalk draws :tape:

Luvyoyoma1954@co
02-17-2008, 05:21 PM
Potential Road to final:

R1- Tursunov
R2- Hewitt
QF- Baghdatis
SF- Youzhny
F- Pics/Murray/Berdych/Davydenko

:tape: :tape:

So much for cakewalk draws :tape:


No worry of Tursunov or hewitt. I agree with the person who said Tursnov is all looks and no, you know and Hewitt is his own worse enemy. He is way to self centered and volitaile to win. Baghdatis, Rafa will be more than ready for him and Mischa, he is the one to worry about. Watch him with alot of voodoo thoughts. LOL

Foxy
02-17-2008, 06:03 PM
I think you overrate Misha too much. But of course these type of tournaments you face only good and experienced players. You have to beat them all to win the title. I guess Murray is the most dangerous of all and it is good he is in the other side. Baggy could also be quite tricky for Rafa. Hewitt as well. Still we can't know for sure how Rafa will react to Tursunov's game since they never played before. Moreover it is the first match of the tournament for Rafa and the first since losing to Tsonga. If Rafa could manage to add points to his best-5-tournaments-account it would be of great help to concrete his 2nd position and attack the number 1 spot in Dubai.

l_mac
02-17-2008, 07:37 PM
:spit: What a draw!

If Tursunov serves brilliantly Rafa will be going home early. I'm not expecting much, but am ever hopeful :)

The #1 spot depends on Rafa winning Rotterdam and Dubai and Roger losing before QF in Dubai. And even if this happens (it won't) he'll have the ranking for 1 week only because anyone who thinks Fed will repeat his IW/Miami performances of last season is ezekiel level delusional.

platinum
02-17-2008, 09:00 PM
Toughest draw for Rafa since Wimbledon........

Foxy
02-17-2008, 09:41 PM
:spit: What a draw!

If Tursunov serves brilliantly Rafa will be going home early. I'm not expecting much, but am ever hopeful :)

The #1 spot depends on Rafa winning Rotterdam and Dubai and Roger losing before QF in Dubai. And even if this happens (it won't) he'll have the ranking for 1 week only because anyone who thinks Fed will repeat his IW/Miami performances of last season is ezekiel level delusional.

Rotterdam is now 300-points event so it changes a little the situation. It would be "Roger losing before SF in Dubai"...
Anyway, it's true probably nothing of this will happen.
Good luck, Rafa.

Castafiore
02-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Too many IFs, if you ask me. I'm not going to bother thinking about that number one spot, I'll start doing that once the number of IFs is reduced to a stronger possibility.


Rafa was on Dutch tv for a long interview in Spanish. A good one too.

l_mac
02-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Too many IFs, if you ask me. I'm not going to bother thinking about that number one spot, I'll start doing that once the number if IFs is reduced to a stronger possibility.
:yeah:


Rafa was on Dutch tv for a long interview in Spanish. A good one too.
And how was he looking? :hearts:

Castafiore
02-17-2008, 10:37 PM
And how was he looking? :hearts:
Good! :hearts: (or did you expect another answer from me ;) )

See for yourself:
http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-352894/category/sport/

Sunset of Age
02-17-2008, 11:33 PM
Too many IFs, if you ask me. I'm not going to bother thinking about that number one spot, I'll start doing that once the number of IFs is reduced to a stronger possibility.

Not a realistic possibility (yet) IMHO. Let's await how he'll do in Rotterdam first, before starting to make any speculations.

Rafa was on Dutch tv for a long interview in Spanish. A good one too.

A nice sight. He didn't have much new things to say though.
Liked the part where he got asked about the Dutch footie players in Real Madrid... :D

Castafiore
02-18-2008, 07:37 AM
A nice sight. He didn't have much new things to say though.
Well, Rafa didn't declare his undying love for Federer if that's what you were waiting for. ;)
He said that Federer is a good colleague and he gets along with him well but doesn't consider him as a friend.
He must be sick and tired of getting so many Federer questions, though. Some critics on MTF say that Rafa talks about Federer a lot but that's due to the fact that journalists keep asking him the same old questions over and over and over.
He wasn't asked any new things but he was articulate and it was still fun to see because he looked quite relaxed and it's always better to see an interview done in Spanish.

Liked the part where he got asked about the Dutch footie players in Real Madrid... :D
He pronounced the names of those Dutch players really well! A bit funny to hear how he pronounces the names of van Nistelrooy and Sneijder perfectly well but had a bit of trouble with the name Murray (Mourray)

mallorn
02-18-2008, 09:58 AM
^ Moo-r-ray :lol:

Sunset of Age
02-18-2008, 10:55 AM
Well, Rafa didn't declare his undying love for Federer if that's what you were waiting for. ;)

:lol:

He said that Federer is a good colleague and he gets along with him well but doesn't consider him as a friend.

He literally said that all of his friends live in Mallorca - so that would mean that he has only one friend among the tennis players, eh...? ;)

No, I think it's just an interpretation of the word 'friend' - I think he means that he indeed gets along well with Feds, but that they aren't actually buddies who hang out together in the pub or something the like. BTW, I very much appreciated him saying that he's still grateful for that plane ride Feds offered him after Cincy last year in the AD interview. He didn't get asked about that, he said so spontaneously. Nice.

He must be sick and tired of getting so many Federer questions, though. Some critics on MTF say that Rafa talks about Federer a lot but that's due to the fact that journalists keep asking him the same old questions over and over and over.

Yes, indeed - but that of course is due to the rather harsh fact that he's been behind Feds for some three years now - those questions are inevitable, as it is a quite a unique situation. :shrug:

He wasn't asked any new things but he was articulate and it was still fun to see because he looked quite relaxed and it's always better to see an interview done in Spanish.

He sure looked very relaxed and at ease. And yes, the interviews done in Spanish are a lot more candid, and he isn't searching for the proper words half of the time.

He pronounced the names of those Dutch players really well! A bit funny to hear how he pronounces the names of van Nistelrooy and Sneijder perfectly well but had a bit of trouble with the name Murray (Mourray)

Indeed! Mourray... :lol:

Foxy
02-18-2008, 08:33 PM
I told you, guys, don't overrate Misha so much. He is a good player indeed but he is not so scary.

GuiroNl
02-18-2008, 08:40 PM
:banana:I'm very happy that the Colonel is out. Increases my chances of seeing Nadal on Saturday :banana:

Metis
02-18-2008, 08:52 PM
:banana:I'm very happy that the Colonel is out. Increases my chances of seeing Nadal on Saturday :banana:


Youzhny's loss has no effect on Rafa's chances to play on Saturday. They could only have met in the SF anyway.

l_mac
02-18-2008, 09:27 PM
Yeah, Youzhny losing doesn't really affect Rafa at all.

His draw is still fraught with danger :bigcry:

He definitely won't be playing till Wednesday, and I bet he's the night match.

Tnn74
02-18-2008, 09:28 PM
Woohoo! :bigclap:
Way to go Rafa/Tommy! :yeah:

cmurray
02-18-2008, 09:30 PM
Well, Rafa didn't declare his undying love for Federer if that's what you were waiting for. ;)
He said that Federer is a good colleague and he gets along with him well but doesn't consider him as a friend.
He must be sick and tired of getting so many Federer questions, though. Some critics on MTF say that Rafa talks about Federer a lot but that's due to the fact that journalists keep asking him the same old questions over and over and over.
He wasn't asked any new things but he was articulate and it was still fun to see because he looked quite relaxed and it's always better to see an interview done in Spanish.


He pronounced the names of those Dutch players really well! A bit funny to hear how he pronounces the names of van Nistelrooy and Sneijder perfectly well but had a bit of trouble with the name Murray (Mourray)

Well...now I know how he would pronounce my name. :haha:

Don't you just wish he would ONCE say "Yeah, Federer's a real asshole." I mean, I know he doesn't think that, but it would sure make for an exciting interview. :haha::haha::haha:

tennizen
02-18-2008, 09:32 PM
^^ Meanwhile, Federer has again in no uncertain terms stated his preference for Nadal as his primary rival:lol:. Some interesting/usual quotes from Federer.

"The French Open obviously is one of the big goals for me," he said here Monday after being named as Laureus World Sportsman of the Year for a record fourth straight time.

"I hope it's not the one that is going to elude me. I am still young, I still have time on my side.

"Some people I hear them talking like its possibly my last chance this year and I disagree with this way of thinking because I think that great athletes can win Grand Slams all the way through to the last days of their tennis careers and for me I am going to try everything to win.

"I don't think I need luck. I am good good enough on clay. I grew up on clay and it's something that comes very naturally to me.

"Maybe I just need a favourable draw sometimes, maybe I just need that one set, that one match that is going to make me win the tournament because twice I was just two sets away from winning the tournament so you can't say I don't know how to play on clay. That's just absurd."

Since his stunning straight sets loss to young Serb Novak Djokovic in the semi-finals of the Australian Open last month, Federer said that he has not put in a single practice session and he will not play again until he competes in Dubai in early March.

But he insisted this was the right approach to take as he needed to save his energy and guard himself against tennis burn-out.

And despite the rapid ascension on Djokovic over the last 12 months he says that he still sees Nadal as his main rival.

"Right now I guess there are two with Djokovic winning the Australian Open but my biggest rival is Rafael Nadal.

"After all he is a great competitor and a great champion and already at his young age to have three Grand Slam titles it's an incredible achievement.

"He is definitely my number one rival."

l_mac
02-18-2008, 09:34 PM
Roger :lol: :worship:

I'll need to make him an honourory member of the Nole bashing thread.

Can't believe Fed hasn't practised since the AO :eek:

tennizen
02-18-2008, 09:38 PM
Roger :lol: :worship:

I'll need to make him an honourory member of the Nole bashing thread.



If he doesn't make it to the Nole bashing thread, I don't know who will:lol:. It must really burn him to lose to Djokovic:hug:. I feel for him tremendously.

Foxy
02-18-2008, 09:44 PM
Roger :lol: :worship:

I'll need to make him an honourory member of the Nole bashing thread.

Can't believe Fed hasn't practised since the AO :eek:

I thought it's a mistake or I didn't understand correctly the words...
Very odd.

platinum
02-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Well, Rafa didn't declare his undying love for Federer if that's what you were waiting for. ;)
He said that Federer is a good colleague and he gets along with him well but doesn't consider him as a friend.
He must be sick and tired of getting so many Federer questions, though. Some critics on MTF say that Rafa talks about Federer a lot but that's due to the fact that journalists keep asking him the same old questions over and over and over.
He wasn't asked any new things but he was articulate and it was still fun to see because he looked quite relaxed and it's always better to see an interview done in Spanish.


He also said all his "friends" are in Manacor....

Sunset of Age
02-19-2008, 02:42 AM
What's the deal?

Roger respects Rafa (do you really think he'd offer a free plane ride after Cincy if that weren't the case?), Rafa respects Roger just the same. It's pretty obvious.

Let's just acknowledge we have two truly classy guys occupying the #1 and #2 ranking postitions right now.

I'd LOVE it if those positions were to be exchanged between the two of them soon. Rafa surely deserves that! As long as Mr. Djoko comes nowhere in sight, I'm happy. :angel:

acionescu
02-19-2008, 08:30 AM
Oh, please Rafa, drop the blue from your attires! Where did the red/ orange/ all sorts of green go?

MariaV
02-19-2008, 09:36 AM
Good! :hearts: (or did you expect another answer from me ;) )

See for yourself:
http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-352894/category/sport/

Simply lovely! Thanks a lot! :kiss:

l_mac
02-19-2008, 04:09 PM
As expected, Rafa is the first match of the night session tomorrow.

:scared:

Metis
02-19-2008, 04:11 PM
I might not be able to watch it :(

l_mac
02-19-2008, 04:13 PM
I might not be able to watch it :(

That time is better for me. I can't watch the day session matches because I'm at work. But I'll be cursing my luck tomorrow if the match goes as I expect.

Metis
02-19-2008, 04:24 PM
It's at 1:30pm for me... My main problem is not work (I could take a break and stay late if needed); it's the internet connection that might not be fast enough for the livestream. I still have some hope though. Besides it might be the only singles match Rafa plays this week :sad:... :lol:

acionescu
02-19-2008, 04:36 PM
It's at 1:30pm for me... My main problem is not work (I could take a break and stay late if needed); it's the internet connection that might not be fast enough for the livestream. I still have some hope though. Besides it might be the only singles match Rafa plays this week :sad:... :lol:

Oh, please just try to stay positive! :scared:

Johnny Groove
02-19-2008, 06:22 PM
Rotterdam and Dubai are Rafa's last shots to get to #1 until at least Wimbledon :scared:

acionescu
02-19-2008, 07:27 PM
Rotterdam and Dubai are Rafa's last shots to get to #1 until at least Wimbledon :scared:

A lot of :scared: smilies as I see! We are not very optimistic, aren't we? :D

Tnn74
02-19-2008, 10:21 PM
yeah, we should be more optimistic...
it's not like he's completely terrible on HC :awww:

hra87
02-19-2008, 10:26 PM
Heh, it's funny how Rafa manages not to do what he needs to to get #1 every tournament from Wimbledon on, and yet he STILL has a shot at it before Indian Wells.

I have a sneaking suspicion it won't happen this time again. It's better this way, I'd rather him take #1 by winning Wimbledon (crosses fingers).

l_mac
02-19-2008, 10:31 PM
He doesn't have a real shot at the #1, IMO. It's hard to be optimistic about his chances when they rely on Fed not getting past the quarters in Dubai and Rafa winning both Rotterdam and Dubai.

cmurray
02-20-2008, 02:13 AM
He doesn't have a real shot at the #1, IMO. It's hard to be optimistic about his chances when they rely on Fed not getting past the quarters in Dubai and Rafa winning both Rotterdam and Dubai.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Unless Feds is REALLY rusty there is NO WAY he's losing in the first two rounds in Dubai. NO WAY.

Sunset of Age
02-20-2008, 04:43 AM
I'm inclined to agree with you. Unless Feds is REALLY rusty there is NO WAY he's losing in the first two rounds in Dubai. NO WAY.

Voice of Reason, here. :cool:
But well, let's be honest - my beloved Mr. Rogelio :p seems to be more interested in fashion than in tennis, lately.

Rog1
02-20-2008, 02:01 PM
Vamos Rafa.


Linda (Luton-UK)

Rog1
02-20-2008, 02:03 PM
Voice of Reason, here. :cool:
But well, let's be honest - my beloved Mr. Rogelio :p seems to be more interested in fashion than in tennis, lately.

I know, LOL. Soon he will be back on court in Dubai and winning. Roger is a very talented PR guy


Linda (Luton-UK)

Johnny Groove
02-20-2008, 02:15 PM
A lot of :scared: smilies as I see! We are not very optimistic, aren't we? :D

I'm inclined to agree with you. Unless Feds is REALLY rusty there is NO WAY he's losing in the first two rounds in Dubai. NO WAY.

Actually, there are rumours going around that Rotterdam will count for 300 points for the champion, check the draw sheet :confused:

If that is the case, Fed can lose in the QF. With the depth of the Dubai field, i wouldn't rule out such a possibility. :)

Or maybe im just a delusional fanboy :D

cmurray
02-20-2008, 03:23 PM
Actually, there are rumours going around that Rotterdam will count for 300 points for the champion, check the draw sheet :confused:

If that is the case, Fed can lose in the QF. With the depth of the Dubai field, i wouldn't rule out such a possibility. :)

Or maybe im just a delusional fanboy :D

It's possible that Feds will lose in the QFs. But in order for Rafa to get to #1, he also has to win both Rotterdam and Dubai, right?

l_mac
02-20-2008, 03:26 PM
It's possible that Feds will lose in the QFs. But in order for Rafa to get to #1, he also has to win both Rotterdam and Dubai, right?

He needs the final in Dubai if Federer loses early there. I think.

If he wins Rotterdam, he'll be 405pts behind Fed. Then Dubai pts come off and he's 180 pts behind.

I don't think it's happening, mainly because I doubt Rafa's ability to win consecutive hardcourt tournaments. Pretty sure there is no precedent for it and I don't like his chances in Rotterdam.

edit: You're not a delusional fanboy, Jonathan :hug: But the chances of Roget losing early in Dubai are far higher than rafa winning both tournies :lol:

cmurray
02-20-2008, 03:32 PM
He needs the final in Dubai if Federer loses early there. I think.

If he wins Rotterdam, he'll be 405pts behind Fed. Then Dubai pts come off and he's 180 pts behind.

I don't think it's happening, mainly because I doubt Rafa's ability to win consecutive hardcourt tournaments. Pretty sure there is no precedent for it and I don't like his chances in Rotterdam.

Thanks, Linda. I agree with you. The field is deep at both events, and Rafa's chances of running into a "rafakilla" is high.

And even if he DID, there is little likelihood of Federer performing as poorly in IW and Miami as he did last year.

l_mac
02-20-2008, 03:36 PM
And even if he DID, there is little likelihood of Federer performing as poorly in IW and Miami as he did last year.
I'd say there's practically no chance of that, barring injury. He only scored something stupid like 80 pts there last year. Rafa has 625 to defend :mad: and Nole 850 :dance: So if all the miracles happen, Rafa would only have the #1 for 2 weeks.

tennizen
02-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Both Baggy and Murray have said that the court is playing slow and the balls are heavy. Murray said he needed to be patient in rallies. So it might be a good thing for Nadal.

Aenea
02-20-2008, 06:38 PM
Ferrer has said the same that the court is slow and is perfect for playing from the baseline. I watched few matches and the court really don't look fast.
I hope the slower surface will give Rafa some advantage.
Vamos, Rafa. All I want for you is to do well in Rotterdam. #1 spot does not matter for the moment.

Getta
02-20-2008, 08:30 PM
Rafa defeated Tursunov 6-4 6-4.

Who's next? ;)

l_mac
02-20-2008, 08:36 PM
Rafa defeated Tursunov 6-4 6-4.

Who's next? ;)


Seppi :scared: :unsure:

MariaV
02-20-2008, 08:39 PM
LOL why are you scared Linda? I'd say better Seppi than Lleyton. No way Seppi can't string 2 matches together.
And Rafa was pretty impressive today, aggressive when needed and some absolutely astonishing defense as always. :D

josie
02-20-2008, 08:40 PM
Seppi :scared: :unsure:

:haha::haha:

vampyre
02-20-2008, 08:40 PM
Rafa defeated Tursunov 6-4 6-4.

Who's next? ;)


looks like Seppi is next
tomorrow local times at 2:30pm
will it be broadcasted on livestreams?? :smoke:

he was asked about the Real Madrid game last nite
(which we lost :sobbing: )
Rafa said we'll win in Bernabeu so it doesnt matter
yes i think so tooooo!!!!!! :clap2:


Vamos Rafa!!
Vamos Real Madrid!!!
:woohoo:

tennizen
02-20-2008, 08:40 PM
LOL why are you scared Linda? I'd say better Seppi than Lleyton. No way Seppi can't string 2 matches together.
And Rafa was pretty impressive today, aggressive when needed and some absolutely astonishing defense as always. :D

It's her defense mechanism:hug:. It works:lol:

mallorn
02-20-2008, 08:41 PM
^^ :lol:

Rafa played him twice in DC, twice on clay. I remember the first match, Seppi actually gave him problems cause Rafa was exhausted, having played the singles and a marathon doubles match. The second time was a walk in the park though.

MariaV
02-20-2008, 08:43 PM
Huh, did you see what's on the tournament site?

Afternoon
Nadal (2, ESP) - Seppi (42, ITA)
single, round 2 Location: Centre Court, time: 14:30



http://www.abnamrowtt.nl/programma.aspx?SN=292

If it stays so and he won't play the night session maybe my TV channel will show some replay later at night.
I'm off for now, bye people!
VAMOS! :banana: :bigclap: :yippee:

MariaV
02-20-2008, 08:45 PM
It's her defense mechanism:hug:. It works:lol:

OK, it better work when it matters. :lol:
I'm sure tomorrow Rafa can manage without it. :D Linda! :hug:

Sunset of Age
02-20-2008, 08:45 PM
Ferrer has said the same that the court is slow and is perfect for playing from the baseline. I watched few matches and the court really don't look fast.
I hope the slower surface will give Rafa some advantage.
Vamos, Rafa. All I want for you is to do well in Rotterdam. #1 spot does not matter for the moment.

Murray, too, said that the court is very slow -very different from Marseille.
It showed in Rafa's match as well. This court really matches his playing style. No wonder as Krajicek surely hopes for him to do very well.

Aenea
02-20-2008, 09:01 PM
I join Krajicek in his hopes :) It's not only the slower court but as Maria said

LOL why are you scared Linda? I'd say better Seppi than Lleyton. No way Seppi can't string 2 matches together.
And Rafa was pretty impressive today, aggressive when needed and some absolutely astonishing defense as always. :D

Yes, Rafa impressed me today with his solid serve and precise shots. I so wish to see him play like this every match in this tournament. I hope he can keep this high level tomorrow in his match against Seppi.

MariaV
02-20-2008, 09:05 PM
Murray, too, said that the court is very slow -very different from Marseille.
It showed in Rafa's match as well. This court really matches his playing style. No wonder as Krajicek surely hopes for him to do very well.

I hope the orange 'clay colour' also helps. ;)

Well, I expect a good match vs Seppi but after that ... not so sure. We might need Linda's magic then. :o :o
OK now I'm REALLY off! :wavey:

Sunset of Age
02-20-2008, 09:33 PM
I join Krajicek in his hopes :) It's not only the slower court but as Maria said



Yes, Rafa impressed me today with his solid serve and precise shots. I so wish to see him play like this every match in this tournament. I hope he can keep this high level tomorrow in his match against Seppi.

Absolutely, he looked very good today. No problem at all against Dmitry. But well... you should also take into account that Tursunov isn't really the most intelligent player out there. ;)

I hope the orange 'clay colour' also helps. ;)

Well, I expect a good match vs Seppi but after that ... not so sure. We might need Linda's magic then. :o :o
OK now I'm REALLY off! :wavey:

Krajicek really does everything to pamper Rafa... adjusted the schedule to allow him seeing Real's match yesterday, ORANGE slow HC... :lol:

Only kidding. He did really well today. I don't expect much trouble against Seppi either, but have to say that I think that match will be tighter than today's.

:wavey: Maria!

platinum
02-20-2008, 09:36 PM
looks like Seppi is next
tomorrow local times at 2:30pm
will it be broadcasted on livestreams?? :smoke:

he was asked about the Real Madrid game last nite
(which we lost :sobbing: )
Rafa said we'll win in Bernabeu so it doesnt matter
yes i think so tooooo!!!!!! :clap2:


Vamos Rafa!!
Vamos Real Madrid!!!
:woohoo:Yeah. RM will obviously win in the Bernabeu.
Barcelona is winning now :rolleyes:

l_mac
02-20-2008, 10:12 PM
LOL why are you scared Linda? I'd say better Seppi than Lleyton. No way Seppi can't string 2 matches together.
And Rafa was pretty impressive today, aggressive when needed and some absolutely astonishing defense as always. :D
Always scared for Rafi! :awww:

:haha::haha:
:shrug: ;)

It's her defense mechanism:hug:. It works:lol:
Most of the time :lol:
^^ :lol:

Rafa played him twice in DC, twice on clay. I remember the first match, Seppi actually gave him problems cause Rafa was exhausted, having played the singles and a marathon doubles match. The second time was a walk in the park though.
Seppi's much improved since then. And he's just beaten a former world #1 in Hewitt. rafa is only #2 ...

If it stays so and he won't play the night session maybe my TV channel will show some replay later at night.
I'm off for now, bye people!
VAMOS! :banana: :bigclap: :yippee:

:mad: I'll be at work. Only night matches!

OK, it better work when it matters. :lol:
I'm sure tomorrow Rafa can manage without it. :D Linda! :hug:
:hug:

mallorn
02-20-2008, 10:17 PM
Seppi's much improved since then. And he's just beaten a former world #1 in Hewitt. rafa is only #2 ...
OMG you're right. :scared: :unsure:

Foxy
02-20-2008, 10:17 PM
Well done, Rafa. I liked his position at the court. Just at the baseline not a step behind. He took some balls well on the rise. Wow!

Yeah, I noticed the court is slow and suitable for Rafa. But... Dubai, IW and Miami won't be faster than here. It will be a nice preparation for the upcoming tournaments.

l_mac
02-20-2008, 10:18 PM
Well done, Rafa. I liked his position at the court. Just at the baseline not a step behind. He took some balls well on the rise. Wow!

Yeah, I noticed the court is slow and suitable for Rafa. But... Dubai, IW and Miami won't be faster than here. It will be a nice preparation for the upcoming tournaments.

Dubai is usually fast, is it not? :confused:

Tnn74
02-20-2008, 10:57 PM
Woohoo! :woohoo: didn't face a single BP!
Great job Rafito! keep rollin' :bigclap:

Sunset of Age
02-20-2008, 10:58 PM
Dubai is usually fast, is it not? :confused:

Yep. And I think Miami is faster than the Rotterdam HC, too.

Johnny Groove
02-21-2008, 03:55 AM
It's possible that Feds will lose in the QFs. But in order for Rafa to get to #1, he also has to win both Rotterdam and Dubai, right?

He needs the final in Dubai if Federer loses early there. I think.

If he wins Rotterdam, he'll be 405pts behind Fed. Then Dubai pts come off and he's 180 pts behind.

I don't think it's happening, mainly because I doubt Rafa's ability to win consecutive hardcourt tournaments. Pretty sure there is no precedent for it and I don't like his chances in Rotterdam.

edit: You're not a delusional fanboy, Jonathan :hug: But the chances of Roget losing early in Dubai are far higher than rafa winning both tournies :lol:

:hug:

We'll see. Regardless, its a fun time.

I'd say there's practically no chance of that, barring injury. He only scored something stupid like 80 pts there last year. Rafa has 625 to defend :mad: and Nole 850 :dance: So if all the miracles happen, Rafa would only have the #1 for 2 weeks.

2 weeks is just fine :D He gets #1 by liike 60 some points after Dubai, then Fed regains in IW, Fed sucks balls on clay, and boom, Nadal has #1 again :silly:

Metis
02-21-2008, 04:49 AM
2 weeks is just fine :D He gets #1 by liike 60 some points after Dubai, then Fed regains in IW, Fed sucks balls on clay, and boom, Nadal has #1 again :silly:

:lol: It's a good plan. Vamos! :dance:

Foxy
02-21-2008, 07:41 AM
Dubai is usually fast, is it not? :confused:

NO. Some posters on MTF call it the blue clay. And Rafa won a title there against Fed in the final 2006. Moreover it is outdoors. I don't think it is faster. I should check some matches and compare to Rotterdam.

And Miami is slower than any other hard court masters series events. At least it was believed so before. No doubt it was Agassi's favourite tournament and won 6 titles there. Rafa got to the final 2005 and almost won it against Fed. Coria also got to a final at Miami 2004.

acionescu
02-21-2008, 07:45 AM
:hug:

We'll see. Regardless, its a fun time.



2 weeks is just fine :D He gets #1 by liike 60 some points after Dubai, then Fed regains in IW, Fed sucks balls on clay, and boom, Nadal has #1 again :silly:

Sounds like a plan! :yeah:

l_mac
02-21-2008, 08:32 AM
NO. Some posters on MTF call it the blue clay. And Rafa won a title there against Fed in the final 2006. Moreover it is outdoors. I don't think it is faster. I should check some matches and compare to Rotterdam.
I'm aware of this, thanks.

MTF call everything "----- clay", so I would not use that as a guide :lol:

And Miami is slower than any other hard court masters series events. At least it was believed so before. No doubt it was Agassi's favourite tournament and won 6 titles there. Rafa got to the final 2005 and almost won it against Fed. Coria also got to a final at Miami 2004.

I know that IW and Maimi play slow, but thanks for the lesson ;)

Castafiore
02-21-2008, 09:16 AM
NO. Some posters on MTF call it the blue clay.
And you listen to the MTF experts? Some posters on MTF...pffft...they call everything Rafa wins on clay or at least "slow" and Dubai is a fine example of that.

Players like Agassi, Safin who should know what they're talking about (unlike a considerable majority of the collection of fangirlies/fanboys/tards/morons on MTF) have said that Dubai has a fast surface.
I'll take the viewpoint of Agassi over those posters on MTF.

Foxy
02-21-2008, 10:30 AM
And you listen to the MTF experts? Some posters on MTF...pffft...they call everything Rafa wins on clay or at least "slow" and Dubai is a fine example of that.

Players like Agassi, Safin who should know what they're talking about (unlike a considerable majority of the collection of fangirlies/fanboys/tards/morons on MTF) have said that Dubai has a fast surface.
I'll take the viewpoint of Agassi over those posters on MTF.

OK. I checked some Dubai matches I have. I got a little mistaken but still it isn't faster by much compared to Rotterdam. This can be due also to the different camera angle. I stand corrected. Anyway the ball bounce up quite well. ;)

l_mac
02-21-2008, 04:16 PM
Seppi :scared: :unsure:

I don't think it's happening, mainly because I doubt Rafa's ability to win consecutive hardcourt tournaments. Pretty sure there is no precedent for it and I don't like his chances in Rotterdam.


LOL why are you scared Linda? I'd say better Seppi than Lleyton. No way Seppi can't string 2 matches together.


Seppi's much improved since then. And he's just beaten a former world #1 in Hewitt. rafa is only #2 ...


:tape: :tape: :tape:

RogiRafaFan86
02-21-2008, 04:22 PM
People just need to let the #1 thing go until it actually happens. Because, unless things change in a big way, it keeps looking like it just isn't meant to be. Every opportunity he has to get really close goes horribly wrong. Not saying that's his fault. I'm a big believer in fate and destiny, and people have to prepare themselves at least for the possibility that being #1 might not be Rafa's.

l_mac
02-21-2008, 04:24 PM
The thread title is embarassing and upsetting :bigcry:

Maybe you should change it to "Clinging onto #2 in Rotterdam!" :lol:



Again, :tape:

tennizen
02-21-2008, 04:25 PM
People just need to let the #1 thing go until it actually happens. Because, unless things change in a big way, it keeps looking like it just isn't meant to be. Every opportunity he has to get really close goes horribly wrong. Not saying that's his fault. I'm a big believer in fate and destiny, and people have to prepare themselves at least for the possibility that being #1 might not be Rafa's.

Good point. I hate all discussion about his being no.1. This loss doesn't mean anything. The new GOAT Djokovic lost in the second round too. But all this hype about getting to no.1. Its clear that Rafa will win an occasional hard court tourney and reach a final occasionally. No point thinking bigger than this.

MariaV
02-21-2008, 05:06 PM
Linda's avvy is disturbing. :mad: :fiery: :mad: :fiery:

:help: :help: :help: :help: That's all I have to say today. :wavey:

Rafael Nadal continued the seed exodus as unseeded Italian Andreas Seppi stunned the World No. 2 3-6, 6-3, 6-4. Seppi, who saved one match point as he defeated Lleyton Hewitt in the first round yesterday, hit eight aces and converted four of eight break points to close out his first victory over the Spaniard in three
attempts after two hours and 14 minutes.

The Italian, who turned 24 today, was congratulated by the crowd as they sang Happy Birthday to him after the match. He now improves to 4-11 against Top 10 opponents and to 4-4 in ATP-level play this year. Having lost in the second round in Sydney (l. to Stepanek) and at the Australian Open (l. to Youzhny) his best result had been a title at the Bergamo (Italy) Challenger two weeks ago. He now goes on to face either Fernando Verdasco or Robin Soderling in the quarterfinals.

The 21-year-old Nadal, a finalist in Chennai (l. to Youzhny) and a semifinalist at the Australian Open (l. to Tsonga), now slips to 10-3 for the season.


http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/2008news/rotterdam_thursday.asp

Sunset of Age
02-21-2008, 05:11 PM
OK. I checked some Dubai matches I have. I got a little mistaken but still it isn't faster by much compared to Rotterdam. This can be due also to the different camera angle. I stand corrected. Anyway the ball bounce up quite well. ;)

Dubai is most definitely faster than Rotterdam, whatever some 'MTF experts' say.
Anyway... I think we should just accept the fact that Rafa is a good, but surely not a great player on anything else than clay (okay... and grass :angel:). I expected this match to be tight (see above) - but not that Rafa would actually end up loosing it! :eek:
He seemed completely lost out there today. Tons of UEs, sloppy play... of course, Seppi did very well, so he deserves the credits, but it was obvious that Rafa was FAR from his normal level of playing. As I don't believe Rafa will ever do a tank job, I really wonder what was wrong with him. :confused:

Something smells rotten in Rotterdam. :(

'Haring met Uitjes'. Boy that smells rotten. :(
The tournament is pretty cursed indeed. I won't be surprised if Krajicek decides to organize a Hewitt - Nadal exho next year in stead of it. :angel:

:hug: :hug: :hug: to everyone - and let's keep our hopes up for Dubai!

RogiRafaFan86
02-21-2008, 05:31 PM
What's wrong with Rafa is mostly mental. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I've felt that way since...well, after Wimbledon to be honest. There's just...something amiss. Something is not working the way it used to. Part of that is to be expected with age, I would imagine, but it's more than that. Just look at him. Or more to the point, look at him when things aren't going well. That's when you see it.

I wish to God it was just physical, or gameplan/tactics, though, because those kinds of problems are sometimes much easier to fix.

MariaV
02-21-2008, 05:35 PM
Karin!!!! :hug: :hug: But at least good that you didn't waste your money on players you don't want to see. :hug: Maybe Rafa will do better next year. :)

Yeah poor Krajicek indeed! :awww: :lol:
And it's not like Hewitt or Rafa tanked! :mad: :fiery: Geez, how in the hell could Hewitt lose to Seppi yesterday. *sigh*

tennizen
02-21-2008, 05:47 PM
Hi:wavey:

Ok now that I have recovered enough from the disappointment I have some points to make reg. this loss. I made a similar post in VB.

1) Rafa lost in early in a MM tourney
2) So did Djokovic who also had an opportunity to gain in on Rafa after AO
3) Fed has chosen not to play any optionals even though his ranking was at risk.

I think they care less about these things than we do. I think the top players can't just care enough about these tourneys. Yes, Rafa doesn't seem to tank a match ever but he might have been indifferent. "Try as best as you feel like and if you lose its ok" kind of attitude perhaps. No big deal in my opinion.

Castafiore
02-21-2008, 05:53 PM
I don't know why you people keep harping on about the number one either. It's too far away. Too many ifs and buts.


:tape: :tape: :tape:
Nice series of comments, Linda! :yeah:


I won't be surprised if Krajicek decides to organize a Hewitt - Nadal exho next year in stead of it.
:lol:

I'd consider paying money to see that actually! (can't goodrep you but consider yourself goodrepped)

l_mac
02-21-2008, 06:00 PM
Nice series of comments, Linda! :yeah:
:bigcry:
I'd consider paying money to see that actually! (can't goodrep you but consider yourself goodrepped)

Rafa better be playing BA this time next year - OR ELSE :armed:

:lol:

Sunset of Age
02-21-2008, 07:32 PM
What's wrong with Rafa is mostly mental. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I've felt that way since...well, after Wimbledon to be honest. There's just...something amiss. Something is not working the way it used to. Part of that is to be expected with age, I would imagine, but it's more than that. Just look at him. Or more to the point, look at him when things aren't going well. That's when you see it.

Could well be. I've been saying this before (and of course got mocked for it by a few 'tards') and I'll say it again: the mindset of a 17-year old is different from that of a 21-year old, and it might well have to do with that. There's absolutely something *missing* as you said - call it his 'fighting spirit'. I've noticed it before the past few months - he is not as fired up as he used to be a year ago or more. At the AO he was even smiling after he got this beating by Tsonga. He didn't use to do so some time ago.
Judging on what I saw this afternoon, he completely lost his determination in the second set & the beginning of the third, and when he decided to FIGHT again it was too late to save the match. But he WAS disappointed, that you could well see from his body language. Left the court asap, head hanging down. Whoever calls this a 'tank job' hasn't seen the match or is a complete fool, or even both.
I expect him to be back full guns blazing in Dubai, though. He'd better! :armed:

Karin!!!! :hug: :hug: But at least good that you didn't waste your money on players you don't want to see. :hug: Maybe Rafa will do better next year. :)

Can you believe it, I was actually on the verge of buying tickets for tomorrow evening! :help: Well, it's too late now. But from what I saw on my excellent livestream, I didn't miss much. Half of the Ahoy hall was filled with those bloody business seats, the real fans all were put away at such a distance that you'd be forced to take along binoculars if you actually wanted to recognize the players. :tape:
Perhaps next time. :hug:

Yeah poor Krajicek indeed! :awww: :lol:
And it's not like Hewitt or Rafa tanked! :mad: :fiery: Geez, how in the hell could Hewitt lose to Seppi yesterday. *sigh*

I'm a bit double about this. Of course, I feel sorry for him as well - but there was a very critical article in the NRC Handelsblad (a quality Dutch newspaper) tonight, who kind of accused him of nearly only paying attention (and $$$$$ of course) to the needs of his top seeds (mostly Rafa and Hewitt) and sort-of neglecting a lot of the other players' wishes... and the newspaper concluded more or less that however much appearance fee you pay (and rumours are that it were a couple of 100.000 euros - don't know if it's true but it is a LOT) & and offer other pampering, it won't prohibit a player from having a bad day, or even more unpredictable, a lesser god having a very good day...
Perhaps he indeed should organize that exho next year in stead. :angel:

Hi:wavey:

Ok now that I have recovered enough from the disappointment I have some points to make reg. this loss. I made a similar post in VB.

1) Rafa lost in early in a MM tourney
2) So did Djokovic who also had an opportunity to gain in on Rafa after AO
3) Fed has chosen not to play any optionals even though his ranking was at risk.

I think they care less about these things than we do. I think the top players can't just care enough about these tourneys. Yes, Rafa doesn't seem to tank a match ever but he might have been indifferent. "Try as best as you feel like and if you lose its ok" kind of attitude perhaps. No big deal in my opinion.

Well, according from that interview in the AD a couple of days ago, I can only conclude that Rafa cares very much about that #1 position and will do everything to get it. This tournament could've have been a relatively easy way to add some good points, so I'm not buying it that he'd be thinking that it would be okay if he lost here... besides his body language expressed disappointment, nothing less. :shrug:

I don't know why you people keep harping on about the number one either. It's too far away. Too many ifs and buts.

Indeed. He himself has already commented that 'Federer is unreachable right now'... but that doesn't mean he doesn't care. I agree that we should obviously not make a big deal of it right now, btw.

I'd consider paying money to see that actually! (can't goodrep you but consider yourself goodrepped)

:hug:

:lol: - I'm sure someone will suggest it to Krajicek one of these days...

MariaV
02-21-2008, 08:39 PM
ATP Tour - Nadal leads seeds exodus

Eurosport - Thu, 21 Feb 18:47:00 2008
Top seed Rafael Nadal was stunned 3-6 6-3 6-4 by Italian Andreas Seppi in one of series of second-round upsets at the Rotterdam International.

Second seed Nikolay Davydenko of Russia, third seeded Spaniard David Ferrer and fifth seed Tomas Berdych of the Czech Republic also suffered early exits.

The Spanish world number two Nadal lost his serve in the opening game but repaired the damage to take the first set before the Italian world number 42 fought his way back into the match.

Seppi displayed the same determination as he did in the first round when he upset 2004 winner Australian Lleyton Hewitt, taking the second set before building a comfortable double break in the third.

Nadal survived two match points at 5-2, forcing Seppi to wait a bit longer before securing his place in the quarter-finals.

"It is very disappointing to lose because I wasn't playing bad," Nadal said.

"(I) started well today and took the first set playing fine tennis but then I somehow lost my concentration, so it was a bit of a mental problem."

"I can't explain how that happened but I kept fighting.

"I will not use the circumstances or the balls as an excuse as they were the same as yesterday when I won my first round match."


http://eurosport.yahoo.com/21022008/58/atp-tour-nadal-leads-seeds-exodus.html

JediFed
02-21-2008, 08:41 PM
He still hasn't hit his highwater mark yet. All he has is QF points to defend in Dubai an event he's won before.

Anyways, he did clinch the most number of weeks at number 2, beating out Boris Becker. He can't lose that to Djokovic until after Miami, assuming Djokovic wins everything and Nadal loses early in Dubai, IW and Miami.

Castafiore
02-21-2008, 09:16 PM
"(I) started well today and took the first set playing fine tennis but then I somehow lost my concentration, so it was a bit of a mental problem."
:(


Thanks, Maria! :)

platinum
02-21-2008, 09:21 PM
People just need to let the #1 thing go until it actually happens. Because, unless things change in a big way, it keeps looking like it just isn't meant to be. Every opportunity he has to get really close goes horribly wrong. Not saying that's his fault. I'm a big believer in fate and destiny, and people have to prepare themselves at least for the possibility that being #1 might not be Rafa's.

Yeah and how unfair it would be considering that Rios that "never" won a slam was #1 or that the likes of Moya, Ferrero, Roddick won just "1" slam and were #1 or even Hewitt and Safin won "2" slams and were #1 but Rafa having won "3" slams hasn't been able to reach #1 because he has played in the Federer era that started in 2004 after all the players I mentioned reached #1.

Tnn74
02-21-2008, 09:38 PM
Oh dear :sad:
After David (Ferrer) lost I was certain this tournament was his for the taking...
I'm baffled he lost this match, especially after winning the first set :awww:
had he not went down a double break in the third it may have well been different...
Oh well, it's pointless now, we can only look forward to Dubai...
although I must admit, now I am worried about his form going into IW,
considering he has Champion points to defend :scared:

What a weird day in Rotterdam :shrug:

Also, as I read in Tommy's forum that he has sustained a back injury, which meant the end of their doubles campaign as well :awww: hope it's nothing serious...

Sunset of Age
02-22-2008, 12:02 AM
Yeah and how unfair it would be considering that Rios that "never" won a slam was #1 or that the likes of Moya, Ferrero, Roddick won just "1" slam and were #1 or even Hewitt and Safin won "2" slams and were #1 but Rafa having won "3" slams hasn't been able to reach #1 because he has played in the Federer era that started in 2004 after all the players I mentioned reached #1.

I know it's a very sour comfort, but one has to acknowledge that Rafa collected more points as a #2 for the past few years than even Pete Sampras ever managed to do as #1!!! :eek:

That's telling quite something, I think.

It would indeed be highly 'unfair' (okay, not in the strict sense of the word), if not downright cruel if he wouldn't at a certain moment of career indeed be the #1, if only for a few weeks. It's a bloody curse for him to be playing in the Federer era - but the same can be said of Federer not getting the RG-title because of Rafa being the undisputed King of Clay now.

That's why it's even more admirable that they seem to be able to get along together quite well. Connors and McEnroe would probably have hired a hitman to shoot the rival, if the same situation happened when they were playing. :cool:
And STILL people ask me how I can possible admire both the guys? :)

MariaV
02-22-2008, 08:00 AM
Karin! Your kindness and avatar just cheered me up! :D :hug:

Foxy
02-22-2008, 09:15 AM
Indeed what a wierd day. I watched the first set and the first half of the second. I said "OK, he will manage to do it. There is no way he can lose this match." And then I had to go out. When I came back it was a match point for Seppi. I couldn't belive my eyes. I mean he played great in first half of the match and his opponent was not that scary. What happened next I can't explain. And against Tursunov he played well on the baseline even inside the court. It reminded me of his IW form last year, sending winners all over the court.

I think this loss is quite shameful and totally unexpected. Reminds me a little about Fed's loss to Volandri.
It's a pity this tournament was quite opened for winning.
Anyway good luck in Dubai, Rafa. And let this match serve as a lesson.

Cat123
02-22-2008, 10:07 AM
Yesterday tennis-wise was just plain freaky! :lol: I expect this from a few of them, but not of Rafa or Ferrer! :awww:

I'm sorry he lost, but I heard he was getting arsey with the ball kids. :( Uh uh, not cool. There's no excuse for that.

acionescu
02-22-2008, 11:50 AM
What's wrong with Rafa is mostly mental. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I've felt that way since...well, after Wimbledon to be honest. There's just...something amiss. Something is not working the way it used to. Part of that is to be expected with age, I would imagine, but it's more than that. Just look at him. Or more to the point, look at him when things aren't going well. That's when you see it.

I wish to God it was just physical, or gameplan/tactics, though, because those kinds of problems are sometimes much easier to fix.

This is exactly my impression. He's not been the same after that Wimbledon final. Now I just wish it would not have been so close! :sad:

And it's not like Hewitt or Rafa tanked! :mad: :fiery: Geez, how in the hell could Hewitt lose to Seppi yesterday. *sigh*

Actually Hewitt played a lot better then Rafa! :lol:

platinum
02-22-2008, 04:27 PM
Connors and McEnroe would probably have hired a hitman to shoot the rival, if the same situation happened when they were playing. :cool:


:D

Sunset of Age
02-23-2008, 12:14 AM
:D

Well, of course I was only kidding when I posted that. But it does give an indication of my feelings, I gather. :hug:

GuiroNl
02-23-2008, 11:21 AM
I'm a little bit disappointed that I can't see Rafa today. I can't even see Hewitt, Davydenko or Haase :haha:.

I'll have a great time seeing the greatest serve of all time though.

Good luck in Dubai, IW and Miami Rafa. Unfortunaltely, you'll need it!

hra87
02-24-2008, 04:30 AM
I know it's a very sour comfort, but one has to acknowledge that Rafa collected more points as a #2 for the past few years than even Pete Sampras ever managed to do as #1!!! :eek:

That's telling quite something, I think.



With all due respect to Rafa, but at one point in '94 Sampras was holding titles in AO, USO, Wimby, a QF at RG, and titles in IW, Miami, and Rome.

Rafa currently has the most points he has ever had...the results simply don't match up, the points were calculated differently then.

Sunset of Age
02-24-2008, 05:20 AM
With all due respect to Rafa, but at one point in '94 Sampras was holding titles in AO, USO, Wimby, a QF at RG, and titles in IW, Miami, and Rome.

Rafa currently has the most points he has ever had...the results simply don't match up, the points were calculated differently then.

True, but still... right now we have a #1 and a #2 who would truly knock out the shit of everyone else around, just as they happen to do.
And NO, don't sell me this 'weak era'-nonsense... I've been following tennis for some 25+ years, and I can tell ye, that's not the case right now!
We just happen to have a wonderful #1 and #2 right now, and I'd suggest to all to just be happy to be a real-time witness to this beauty! :worship:

platinum
02-24-2008, 08:59 PM
True, but still... right now we have a #1 and a #2 who would truly knock out the shit of everyone else around, just as they happen to do.
And NO, don't sell me this 'weak era'-nonsense... I've been following tennis for some 25+ years, and I can tell ye, that's not the case right now!
We just happen to have a wonderful #1 and #2 right now, and I'd suggest to all to just be happy to be a real-time witness to this beauty! :worship:

Best #1, #2 and # 3 ever, possibly...

hra87
02-25-2008, 12:21 AM
True, but still... right now we have a #1 and a #2 who would truly knock out the shit of everyone else around, just as they happen to do.
And NO, don't sell me this 'weak era'-nonsense... I've been following tennis for some 25+ years, and I can tell ye, that's not the case right now!
We just happen to have a wonderful #1 and #2 right now, and I'd suggest to all to just be happy to be a real-time witness to this beauty! :worship:

I don't recall ever saying it's a weak era, I think it's probably the strongest hardcourt era ever. Clay and grass are another story...

Getta
02-25-2008, 12:46 AM
I don't recall ever saying it's a weak era, I think it's probably the strongest hardcourt era ever. Clay and grass are another story...


You brought up a valid point.

Aenea
02-25-2008, 10:32 AM
Well done, Rafa. I liked his position at the court. Just at the baseline not a step behind. He took some balls well on the rise. Wow!

Yeah, I noticed the court is slow and suitable for Rafa. But... Dubai, IW and Miami won't be faster than here. It will be a nice preparation for the upcoming tournaments.
I'm siding with you on that matter. Dubai has already started and after watching few games I think the court is rather slow than fast. The commentator said the surface here is similar to the one in Doha and Doha looked sooooooo slow to me.

Foxy
02-25-2008, 01:07 PM
Thanks. I knew I was right but I didn't want to argue that much at that particular moment.

I am still a little pissed about Rafa's loss... nice opportunity... nice court... nice opponent... nice draw after so many upsets... damn, probably it wasn't meant to be that way.

Anyway, moving on. This time in Dubai, I think he desperately needs some help draw-wise. Some easy opponents in the first and second round to regain his confidence back. Last year he faced Marcos in the first round and then Andreev. Maybe he was a little drained physically after these long matches. Let this year be different.

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 05:36 PM
I don't recall ever saying it's a weak era, I think it's probably the strongest hardcourt era ever. Clay and grass are another story...

Well, never said you did... ;)
But I've read many people claiming (it's been said in GM at least weekly) that Roger's and Rafa's incredible dominance of the past several years is not due to their talent and brilliancy, but rather to the rest of field 'not stepping it up', 'being chokers', (= 'it's a weak era') etc. That diminishes both Rafa's and Roger's assets and is not just rather insulting to them, but even more, to all the other players who I'm sure are trying to do their best to bring them down!