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Is Djokovic the 21st Century Version of Ivan Lendl?

sawan66278
01-27-2008, 04:37 PM
After watching the match, and witnessing the reactions of the crowd, I came away wondering. Is Djokovic the new "villain" in the sport? Ivan Lendl was NEVER the fan favorite, and, it seems that Djokovic has turned a lot of people against him (with an assist from his family). Now, Lendl was pretty much on his own, and he didn't care that the fans were against him. Djokovic looks clearly bothered. Do you all think that he and his family will change their ways? Or will he not care, and continue to circle the wagons in an us vs. them mindset? Winning...but not being loved.

What do you think?

jonas
01-27-2008, 04:41 PM
No. Lendl was a WAY better player.

hra87
01-27-2008, 04:45 PM
No. Lendl was a WAY better player.

Word.

Burrow
01-27-2008, 04:45 PM
He will never be as good as Ivan Lendl :lol:

sawan66278
01-27-2008, 04:46 PM
Obviously, Ivan was one of the best players ever. However, I mean perception of dislike from the fans. I can almost assure that if his family were taken out of the equation, the dislike percentage would fall tremendously.

goldenlox
01-27-2008, 05:43 PM
Was Lendl hated? By who, McEnroe?

bokehlicious
01-27-2008, 05:47 PM
Lendl maybe lacked charsima according to some, but was never a spoilt brat!

vincayou
01-27-2008, 05:51 PM
Lendl was not loved but not hated as well. Djokovic has more charisma.

Lendl had as well a solid and boring game. He won a lot. Might be the same for Djoko unfortunately.

sawan66278
01-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Ivan was always seen as the villainous foil to McEnroe and Connors. I still remember the only time he landed on the cover of Sports Illustrated:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1997/weekly/catchingup/0714/images/cuo71401.jpg

Is this Djokovic's fate?

HeretiC
01-27-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't think that Lendl was hated or even someone that no one cared about. He was quite a popular figure in Europe. Is it possible that you are under influence of some sort of a propaganda in US at that time ?

brent-o
01-27-2008, 06:56 PM
I think he is just this generation's version of Lleyton Hewitt. You either love him or you hate him.

vidanhv
01-27-2008, 07:10 PM
I don't think he will be hated. This is just a beginning of his carrier. Eventually, the passion from his box will fade as they become accustomed to Nole winning big matches, he will stop ridiculously long bouncing (he already reduced it significantly in comparison with last season) when he get a little more self-confidence and he will reduce his arrogant tone when he realizes that the players are scared of him on the court because of his play and not because of the words. Now, he is building up the pressure, fighting against the pressure and enjoys with his family when he overcomes the pressure. Simple as that.

njnetswill
01-27-2008, 07:22 PM
Nadal and Federer never interact with the crowd during their matches, but novak often does. Of course, this includes both positive and negative interaction. The haters will bitch about the negative stuff, and the Djokotards will enjoy the positives, but all it amounts to is Novak bringing excitement to the game.

vidanhv
01-27-2008, 07:27 PM
Nadal and Federer never interact with the crowd during their matches, but novak often does. Of course, this includes both positive and negative interaction. The haters will bitch about the negative stuff, and the Djokotards will enjoy the positives, but all it amounts to is Novak bringing excitement to the game.
Truth! Finally some emotions on the court! And Tsonga follows that magnificently!

FedFan_2007
01-27-2008, 07:50 PM
OH he's worse then Lendl! That mother of his is just a horrible witch.

malica
01-27-2008, 08:03 PM
In this match Nole found himself as a favourite, which is strange if you are only 20 year old. On the other hand he played against unseeded player and normally crowd was on Tsonga side. He played increadible tennis and I could just admire it as well as crowd. Franch spectators were more than annoying, not Novaks fans. I dont think he is or will be hated. It is just your impresion guys. The passion from his box is kind of part of Serbian mentality not to hide emotions and to show it without control. It is not the reason to have player. They will learn to control it if novak continues to winn big matches. Novak himself is a real sportsmen he is often aplauding on the great shots of the oponent, always has more than nice words for the player he plays no matter if he wins or loses. In addition, he gives the warmest congrats/greetings at the net after the match dispate the result. It is also part of mentality. He maybe has to many compliments for his own game I can agree but he will learn as well.

Jenrios
01-27-2008, 08:07 PM
Lendl was set-up by the media to be the 'villain' - and Johnny Mac loved to work a US crowd nto a frenzy against the 'communist' Lendl. And yes, Lendl was a far better player than Djokovic, and was never bothered about being unpopular. He said he'd rather be the villain and win when he was the sentimental fav to win Wimbledon in 1990. He was constantly asked by Brit media why he never smiled, and wryly replied 'because I would ruin my repuation'.

One reason I liked Ivan was that he never courted the media. Who'd have thought Lendl and Rios would have something in common?:)

Jenrios
01-27-2008, 08:10 PM
I don't think that Lendl was hated or even someone that no one cared about. He was quite a popular figure in Europe. Is it possible that you are under influence of some sort of a propaganda in US at that time ?


oops, missed this post - but IMO, that's exactly what happened.

Bruno71
01-27-2008, 10:51 PM
I remember Lendl being portrayed as a villain, at least here in the US, and I think that had everything to do with him being from a communist country, while at the same time not showing any kind of emotion on court. Lendl turned out to be a pretty nice guy as it were. Djokovic and his situation remind me nothing of him, for better or for worse.

scoobs
01-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Lendl never struck me as wanting to be liked or caring about being liked.

I think Djokovic does want to be liked. And he certainly isn't ice cold on the court.

Andi-M
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
I think he is just this generation's version of Lleyton Hewitt. You either love him or you hate him.

I hope your talking about personality. Because tennis achievements wise he will out-do Hewitt by this time next year easy.

Allure
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
If life was a movie, then Djoko is going down.

star
01-27-2008, 10:57 PM
After watching the match, and witnessing the reactions of the crowd, I came away wondering. Is Djokovic the new "villain" in the sport? Ivan Lendl was NEVER the fan favorite, and, it seems that Djokovic has turned a lot of people against him (with an assist from his family). Now, Lendl was pretty much on his own, and he didn't care that the fans were against him. Djokovic looks clearly bothered. Do you all think that he and his family will change their ways? Or will he not care, and continue to circle the wagons in an us vs. them mindset? Winning...but not being loved.

What do you think?


Lendl never gave a charming acceptance speech in his life. Djokovic is very charming and likable. Better teeth too. :)

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Lendl never gave a charming acceptance speech in his life. Djokovic is very charming and likable. Better teeth too. :)

We're not talking about Safin. This thread is about Djoko. Stay on topic please.

star
01-27-2008, 11:12 PM
We're not talking about Safin. This thread is about Djoko. Stay on topic please.


Excuse me? Where did I mention Safin?

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:13 PM
Excuse me? Where did I mention Safin?

Charming and likable. Obviously the player you are describing is Safin.

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:14 PM
After watching the match, and witnessing the reactions of the crowd, I came away wondering. Is Djokovic the new "villain" in the sport? Ivan Lendl was NEVER the fan favorite, and, it seems that Djokovic has turned a lot of people against him (with an assist from his family). Now, Lendl was pretty much on his own, and he didn't care that the fans were against him. Djokovic looks clearly bothered. Do you all think that he and his family will change their ways? Or will he not care, and continue to circle the wagons in an us vs. them mindset? Winning...but not being loved.

What do you think?

Actually, I would like if Djokovic will be hated by most fans (except from Serbia, cause he will always be loved here). It would be great if on all major tournaments all crowd is against him and he win it nevertheless. That would be much more enjoyable for me then to be another copy of Fed, Rafa...with all those supporters around.
I already can picture him winning tournament in front of mad crowd - just into their face! :devil:

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:15 PM
Actually, I would like if Djokovic will be hated by most fans (except from Serbia, cause he will always be loved here). It would be great if on all major tournaments all crowd is against him and he win it nevertheless. That would be much more enjoyable for me then to be another copy of Fed, Rafa...with all those supporters around.
I already can picture him winning tournament in front of mad crowd - just into their face! :devil:

Fans like you really help his cause.

star
01-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Charming and likable. Obviously the player you are describing is Safin.

:lol: I'm not one that finds Safin particularly charming and likable. So, obviously, I missed that one completely. :)

p.s. I don't hate the guy. I just don't like him on the court. :)

tennizen
01-27-2008, 11:19 PM
Actually, I would like if Djokovic will be hated by most fans (except from Serbia, cause he will always be loved here). It would be great if on all major tournaments all crowd is against him and he win it nevertheless. That would be much more enjoyable for me then to be another copy of Fed, Rafa...with all those supporters around.
I already can picture him winning tournament in front of mad crowd - just into their face! :devil:

I like your reasons but in my opinion the whole in your face thing works as long as your winning. In fact, imo, that is the only reason for projecting a degree of humility. Because you can lose someday. And when that happens people will start attacking on all fronts and for all reasons other than his tennis.

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:22 PM
Fans like you really help his cause.

Ummmm...mate you dont know anything about me. Why such comment? I just replied to OP with my wishes :confused:
And I am not anyone's fan, especially not fan of some tennis player...

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:23 PM
Ummmm...mate you dont know anything about me. Why such comment? I just replied to OP with my wishes :confused:
And I am not anyone's fan, especially not fan of some tennis player...

So you don't care for Djokovic's tennis?

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:26 PM
So you don't care for Djokovic's tennis?

I enjoy to watch him playing it, but as I said I am not a fan of any tennis player. I just watch it cause it entertains me. Thats why I would like him to be sort of bad guy - bad guys are much more interesting to watch :)

Blondie1985
01-27-2008, 11:28 PM
What do you think?

I think both of them will never win wimbledom

star
01-27-2008, 11:29 PM
Actually, I would like if Djokovic will be hated by most fans (except from Serbia, cause he will always be loved here). It would be great if on all major tournaments all crowd is against him and he win it nevertheless. That would be much more enjoyable for me then to be another copy of Fed, Rafa...with all those supporters around.
I already can picture him winning tournament in front of mad crowd - just into their face! :devil:

That might work for your fantasies -- which seem to be some sort of Serbia against the world thing -- but it's not really very good if you are a tennis player. Djokovic doesn't need to fight the crowd and the opponent in every match. I think he doesn't want that.

But I do appreciate that you are only expressing what you think would be cool. :hatoff:

Aloimeh
01-27-2008, 11:34 PM
That might work for your fantasies -- which seem to be some sort of Serbia against the world thing -- but it's not really very good if you are a tennis player. Djokovic doesn't need to fight the crowd and the opponent in every match. I think he doesn't want that.

But I do appreciate that you are only expressing what you think would be cool. :hatoff:

I think he (and his managers) are sensitive to what the crowds think. They probably have somebody scouring tennis.com, MTF, and other discussion boards. I think he will duly modulate his behavior, particularly as the novelty of winning the majors wears off. His family seems kind of out of control, though (trying to run roughshod over government bureaucracy), and they may be a bit more difficult to control.

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:38 PM
That might work for your fantasies -- which seem to be some sort of Serbia against the world thing -- but it's not really very good if you are a tennis player. Djokovic doesn't need to fight the crowd and the opponent in every match. I think he doesn't want that.

But I do appreciate that you are only expressing what you think would be cool. :hatoff:

Oh come on, "serbia vs world" - give me a break. I just said what I think would be cool. It would be different from any other player and thats why I like the idea. As guy above said, it would work nice while he is winning, and would be tricky when he lose, but thats the risk, and it makes it even more interesting :)

star
01-27-2008, 11:42 PM
I think he (and his managers) are sensitive to what the crowds think. They probably have somebody scouring tennis.com, MTF, and other discussion boards. I think he will duly modulate his behavior, particularly as the novelty of winning the majors wears off. His family seems kind of out of control, though (trying to run roughshod over government bureaucracy), and they may be a bit more difficult to control.

I think their intense cheering comes from wanting to feel as if they are with him on the court and winning with him. It is an outlet for their nerves. His mother seems to be extremely nervous. (Tsonga's mother too, poor things) But they can't let minor things get to them. It's difficult on the nerves to be a tennis parent or a coach. They don't want to do anything that takes Djokovic's focus away.

Djokovic seems to be a very aware and mature 20 year old and I think his parents will calm down too after more experience in the limelight. I've seen that happen with other families.

star
01-27-2008, 11:44 PM
Oh come on, "serbia vs world" - give me a break. I just said what I think would be cool. It would be different from any other player and thats why I like the idea. As guy above said, it would work nice while he is winning, and would be tricky when he lose, but thats the risk, and it makes it even more interesting :)

Yeah. I realized that you just thought it would be cool for your own reasons. I got the impression of "serbia against the world" because you wanted everyone except the Serbians to be against him.

tennizen
01-27-2008, 11:46 PM
As guy above said, it would work nice while he is winning, and would be tricky when he lose, but thats the risk, and it makes it even more interesting


Woman:)

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:52 PM
Yeah. I realized that you just thought it would be cool for your own reasons. I got the impression of "serbia against the world" because you wanted everyone except the Serbians to be against him.

Oh, I mentioned that just because in Serbia he will be liked by most no matter what :)

Grunge
01-27-2008, 11:57 PM
Woman:)

Sorry :hug:

Allure
01-27-2008, 11:59 PM
Oh, I mentioned that just because in Serbia he will be liked by most no matter what :)

What if he robbed a village and killed 100 people while spitting in their faces and then eat their intestines after? Will Serbia like him then?

Aloimeh
01-28-2008, 12:01 AM
What if he robbed a village and killed 100 people while spitting in their faces and then eat their intestines after? Will Serbia like him then?

That's exactly what Novak did. Robbed and killed his way through fivescore people, then spat at them and ate them. Why don't you accuse him of worse things? :rolleyes:

Allure
01-28-2008, 12:04 AM
That's exactly what Novak did. Robbed and killed his way through fivescore people, then spat at them and ate them. Why don't you accuse him of worse things? :rolleyes:

Grunge said Serbia will support Djoko no matter what. I'm just presenting the worse case scenario.

tennizen
01-28-2008, 12:07 AM
What if he robbed a village and killed 100 people while spitting in their faces and then eat their intestines after? Will Serbia like him then?

That's a rather stupid thing to say:rolleyes: Stop getting carried away:o

Grunge
01-28-2008, 12:25 AM
What if he robbed a village and killed 100 people while spitting in their faces and then eat their intestines after? Will Serbia like him then?

:rolleyes:

Yes they will!
You can do better than that :p

HeretiC
01-28-2008, 12:25 AM
I hope your talking about personality. Because tennis achievements wise he will out-do Hewitt by this time next year easy.

He will became the youngest player ever ranked No 1 (Lleyton was 20 years and 9 months old and Nole is 20 years and 8 months now) ? And he will remain No 1 for more then 80 weeks of which 75 consecutive in 1 year time ? Or will he win more than 17 titles (Hewitt 26 Nole 8)this year including 2 more GS ? Well, why not if he learns a few tricks from Star Trek about time distortion. ;)

Kolya
01-28-2008, 12:30 AM
Nole won't achieve half of what Lendl has done.

Nole has his fans, Lendl didn't care.

Allure
01-28-2008, 12:30 AM
:rolleyes:

Yes they will!
You can do better than that :p

Okay then. Just checking.

thrust
01-28-2008, 12:44 AM
I don't think he will be hated. This is just a beginning of his carrier. Eventually, the passion from his box will fade as they become accustomed to Nole winning big matches, he will stop ridiculously long bouncing (he already reduced it significantly in comparison with last season) when he get a little more self-confidence and he will reduce his arrogant tone when he realizes that the players are scared of him on the court because of his play and not because of the words. Now, he is building up the pressure, fighting against the pressure and enjoys with his family when he overcomes the pressure. Simple as that.

Great post! I find nothing at all to dislike about Nole, or his family. Lendl wasn^t really hated, just not a fan favorite, primarily due to the fact that Mac and Connors were top American players who were threatened by Ivan. Actually, whenever I have seen Nole play before he seemed very well liked by the fans. In this AO final he was facing a charismatic underdog who most fans never heard of before and, therefore, a crowd favorite.

Allure
01-28-2008, 12:46 AM
Great post! I find nothing at all to dislike about Nole, or his family. Lendl wasn^t really hated, just not a fan favorite, primarily due to the fact that Mac and Connors were top American players who were threatened by Ivan. Actually, whenever I have seen Nole play before he seemed very well liked by the fans. In this AO final he was facing a charismatic underdog who most fans never heard of before and, therefore, a crowd favorite.

:retard:

Mechlan
01-28-2008, 01:23 AM
Djokovic seems more polarizing. As for tennis, not at all.

Auscon
01-28-2008, 02:16 AM
I don't see the similarity too much...main difference being that Lendal couldn't care less about the crowd, but Novak seems to think everyone should be cheering for him, and has a bit of a cry when that doesn't happen

my0118
01-28-2008, 05:29 AM
Actually, I would like if Djokovic will be hated by most fans (except from Serbia, cause he will always be loved here). It would be great if on all major tournaments all crowd is against him and he win it nevertheless. That would be much more enjoyable for me then to be another copy of Fed, Rafa...with all those supporters around.
I already can picture him winning tournament in front of mad crowd - just into their face! :devil:

Sorry but I already saw some Serbians who don't like Djokovic.

my0118
01-28-2008, 05:34 AM
Lendl maybe lacked charsima according to some, but was never a spoilt brat!

:haha: love your avarta and sig ;)

Voo de Mar
01-28-2008, 05:38 AM
I had an association to Ivan Lendl last year at Indian Wells but I didn't think about all those haters. I thought that Djokovic would have a very similar career to Lendl. Djokovic looks so strong mentally like Lendl was. The main resemblance of these two is an ability to play the risky shots in the crucial moments.

BTW, the same weight and height... Their personality is completely different.

Grunge
01-28-2008, 10:42 AM
Sorry but I already saw some Serbians who don't like Djokovic.

Read my post again. Most is not the same as everyone...

Dzordzzz!
01-28-2008, 10:52 AM
Sorry but I already saw some Serbians who don't like Djokovic.


Almost everybody likes him in Serbia.

my0118
01-28-2008, 10:52 AM
Read my post again. Most is not the same as everyone...

Sorry my bad. But I think he's quite close.

Action Jackson
01-28-2008, 11:06 AM
Not even close. Lendl hated the media and the media hated him.

Castafiore
01-28-2008, 11:10 AM
Not even close. Lendl hated the media and the media hated him.
And to me, it looked as if Lendl didn't really care that the media hated him or loved him whereas I get the feeling that Djokovic wants to be liked and loved.

Action Jackson
01-28-2008, 11:12 AM
And to me, it looked as if Lendl didn't really care that the media hated him or loved him whereas I get the feeling that Djokovic wants to be liked and loved.

That would be right.

Action Jackson
04-29-2008, 02:53 PM
Just to confirm what I wrote 2 posts ago, he is definitely not like Lendl at all.

I was watching Lendl when he won the final in Rome and the crowd were giving him shit the whole time. He is about to serve and a heckler in the crowd starts mouthing.

Lendl says,"Hey you, come down here and we can talk about it". It wasn't lets meet up for a coffee look either. Nole wouldn't do that, he wants to be loved.

bokehlicious
04-29-2008, 02:55 PM
Nice bump :)

Kitty de Sade
04-29-2008, 03:07 PM
The comparison between the two is not even close, no. When would you ever see Lendl doing impressions, karaoke, or asking a crowd to give him more applause in Los Angeles?

Nole courts the concept of fame. Lendl didn't do that.

Bernard Black
04-29-2008, 03:08 PM
Lendl says,"Hey you, come down here and we can talk about it". It wasn't lets meet up for a coffee look either. Nole wouldn't do that, he wants to be loved.

Excellent call.

Interestingly, if Djokovic did behave like Lendl he would probably have more of a cult following amongst fans, and certainly be more interesting to support. Since he tries to appeal so hard to be loved by the mainstream fan though, people see him as fake and two-faced with his shenanigans such as the Monte Carlo retirement.

rocketassist
04-29-2008, 03:14 PM
Lendl is by far the better player and had class off court- Djokovic has none.

Lendl was popular in Europe and world famous. Just because he wasn't that big in the States, well the USA isn't the world, although the way a lot of Americans act you'd think that.

LocoPorElTenis
04-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Lendl was not loved but not hated as well. Djokovic has more charisma.

Lendl had as well a solid and boring game. He won a lot. Might be the same for Djoko unfortunately.

You nailed it. I can see a similarity in the kind of games they play, but they have very different personalities. Lendl didn't incite much passions, positive or negative, the opposite is true of Nole (so far, mostly negative, but if and when he starts dominating he'll get a ton of bandwagoners).

GlennMirnyi
04-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Lendl is way better and also much classier.

TMJordan
04-29-2008, 03:15 PM
Come on man.

Lendl is a good guy.

Action Jackson
04-29-2008, 03:57 PM
Excellent call.

Interestingly, if Djokovic did behave like Lendl he would probably have more of a cult following amongst fans, and certainly be more interesting to support. Since he tries to appeal so hard to be loved by the mainstream fan though, people see him as fake and two-faced with his shenanigans such as the Monte Carlo retirement.

Lendl was quite hated by the media especially early in his career. The whole Cold War propaganda thing, ironically he was and probably is more American than many of the ones born there.

He didn't play the game, plus his Englsh at the time, made him sound robotic, when not the case.

The second part of what you said is very true.

Merton
04-29-2008, 04:05 PM
No. I think the media would have given Lendl a much harder time than the one Nole gets.

Dougie
04-29-2008, 04:12 PM
Lendl didn´t always make it easy for the media or the fans to like him, but he was still way classier than Djokovic.

tangerine_dream
04-29-2008, 04:17 PM
The great dichotomy of Novak: he wants to be loved by the world but his gamesmanship (along with his overbearing parents who know nothing of tennis etiquette) earns him a lot of scorn from the fans. How will Novak respond to this?

It's like at the AO final this year when he was the favorite to win but he wasn't the crowd favorite and he knew it. It hurt him. But playing against the crowd also seemed to inspire him.

As for Novak being another Lendl, not really. Novak loves the press.

FedFan_2007
04-29-2008, 04:18 PM
If anything Fed is the Lendl of our time chasing the white whale on clay. Lendl could never figure out grass.

Action Jackson
04-29-2008, 04:58 PM
Lendl didn´t always make it easy for the media or the fans to like him, but he was still way classier than Djokovic.

This maybe true, but he didn't have to and that's the thing. Game wise there might be some similarities between he and Djokovic, but that's where it ends.

CyBorg
04-29-2008, 06:47 PM
This maybe true, but he didn't have to and that's the thing. Game wise there might be some similarities between he and Djokovic, but that's where it ends.

At a young age they've both been accused of tanking. Djokovic's fitness has been questioned as has been Djokovic's.

But this has more to do with the media perception, which is normally superficial and baseless.

JediFed
04-29-2008, 06:57 PM
I don't think he's like Lendl at all.

Lendl was very quiet and soft spoken. You'd never see Lendl put out a book on himself. Djokovic is more like Connors.

DrJules
04-29-2008, 07:30 PM
Their solid mechanical tennis is very similar.

Personality wise neither were / are very likeable.

Lendl was interested in winning and not obsessed with being liked.

Djokovic wants to be liked, but his on court conduct such as excessive number of retirements, injury breaks, ball bouncing and general gamesmanship do antagonise both spectators and opponents.

Neither were / will be a crowd favourite.

Herdwick
04-29-2008, 07:33 PM
The great dichotomy of Novak: he wants to be loved by the world but his gamesmanship (along with his overbearing parents who know nothing of tennis etiquette) earns him a lot of scorn from the fans. How will Novak respond to this?

It's like at the AO final this year when he was the favorite to win but he wasn't the crowd favorite and he knew it. It hurt him. But playing against the crowd also seemed to inspire him.

Agree. This is one of his weaknesses as far as I can see - he wants to be popular and a crowd favourite (Lendl didn't give a rat's arse as I recall) and after the USO final thought he had this in the bag. The AO semi and final, coupled with Miami, have presumably disabused him of that. He can't have been comfortable with the jeers in MC on Saturday and if he/his entourage spent any time reading web feedback he'll have been left in no doubt as to how the latest withdrawal went down.

I wait to see how he'll react now - do we get a charm offensive or will he become resigned to 'contra mundum'?

Alex999
04-29-2008, 07:56 PM
BBC Inside Sport: Novak Djokovic interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tv_and_radio/inside_sport/7374188.stm

goran_the_2nd
04-29-2008, 08:12 PM
anyone who has love for the game of tennis should love djokovic (as should federer, or tsonga, etc. too) those "extreme fans" of his rivals aren't the best example of him "not being a fan favorite".

you all probably know, there is not much love between serbs and croats, but he's a great guy, with great personality, plays the game in a very attractive way.. so what is there not to like?

greetz.

Herdwick
04-29-2008, 08:16 PM
anyone who has love for the game of tennis should love djokovic (as should federer, or tsonga, etc. too) those "extreme fans" of his rivals aren't the best example of him "not being a fan favorite".

you all probably know, there is not much love between serbs and croats, but he's a great guy, with great personality, plays the game in a very attractive way.. so what is there not to like?

greetz.

Please don't get them started again...they'll tell you yet agin in minute detail.

Zaba
04-29-2008, 08:28 PM
anyone who has love for the game of tennis should love djokovic (as should federer, or tsonga, etc. too) those "extreme fans" of his rivals aren't the best example of him "not being a fan favorite".

you all probably know, there is not much love between serbs and croats, but he's a great guy, with great personality, plays the game in a very attractive way.. so what is there not to like?

greetz.

These are your opinions, not facts. Other people are entitled to disagree with you.

Bascule
04-29-2008, 08:56 PM
These are your opinions, not facts. Other people are entitled to disagree with you.

I disagree with you! How can not Goran have the right when he says this. What was wrong what he said?
Anyway, most of Novak fans are nice posters, but people here are very harsh and love the gossip and bashing, nobody speaks about that, but if there's just one conflict with a Novak fan, that would be the theme for a long...also, what ever some of his relatives does shouldn't affect the tennis fans. No one is perfect, but, also, no one is doing constantly only the bad things.
Lendl was my favorite player when I was a kid...maybe the game is similar...partly personality, but as Novak wanted to be liked before, I have no impression he wants the same so much lately...

Knightmace
04-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Ivan was the man the times better than what probably Novak will do.

Alex999
04-29-2008, 11:06 PM
At a young age they've both been accused of tanking. Djokovic's fitness has been questioned as has been Djokovic's.

But this has more to do with the media perception, which is normally superficial and baseless.

:)

Dirk
04-30-2008, 02:51 AM
Lendl would never retire from a match hell even if it was serious. I still remember him winning his first slam at the French and vomiting blood off the court afterwards from his heroic come from behind effort. Dojo would have waved the white flag long before that.

Forehander
04-30-2008, 03:22 AM
To achieve as much as Lendl is not easy. But if he continues on his victory streaks then possibly yes. Because he's one hell of a fag.

GlennMirnyi
04-30-2008, 04:35 AM
Lendl would never retire from a match hell even if it was serious. I still remember him winning his first slam at the French and vomiting blood off the court afterwards from his heroic come from behind effort. Dojo would have waved the white flag long before that.

But he'd retire only if he were losing.

Dirk
04-30-2008, 06:16 AM
But he'd retire only if he were losing.

Lendl was losing that match, he came from 2 sets down. Dojo would have tapped out after losing break in the 3rd which Lendl did I believe.

oz_boz
05-01-2008, 06:46 AM
They are both dark-haired, come from Eastern Europe, and have a solid non-flashy baseline game which can do damage on all surfaces.

Personalitywise no resemblance whatsoever IMO. Djokovic is extroverted and tries to affect the crowd, Lendl an iceman who cares very little about public appearance.

Regarding results way too early to tell, I think Djoko is in fact slightly ahead at this young age, but he will have to be the best over att least the next 4-5 years to match Ivan.

GuiroNl
05-01-2008, 09:13 AM
Djokovic = Hewitt 2.0 in almost every aspect. I think he even has more haters now than Hewitt ever had.

The only thing is that Djokovic is a quitter and Hewitt is not.

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 03:14 PM
Lendl was losing that match, he came from 2 sets down. Dojo would have tapped out after losing break in the 3rd which Lendl did I believe.

I meant Faker.

Djokovic = Hewitt 2.0 in almost every aspect. I think he even has more haters now than Hewitt ever had.

The only thing is that Djokovic is a quitter and Hewitt is not.

Perfect post.

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 04:37 PM
They are both dark-haired, come from Eastern Europe, and have a solid non-flashy baseline game which can do damage on all surfaces.

Personalitywise no resemblance whatsoever IMO. Djokovic is extroverted and tries to affect the crowd, Lendl an iceman who cares very little about public appearance.

Regarding results way too early to tell, I think Djoko is in fact slightly ahead at this young age, but he will have to be the best over att least the next 4-5 years to match Ivan.

yeah... pretty bang on that post... off court novak knows what the camera want to hear and has a lot of charisma, where lendl did not give a toss about whether the camera was watching him eat dog snot... and both personalities i like..

Lendl would never retire from a match hell even if it was serious. I still remember him winning his first slam at the French and vomiting blood off the court afterwards from his heroic come from behind effort. Dojo would have waved the white flag long before that.

yeah ... this is perhaps the biggest difference... i have been raving to all that would listen to me about the long grinding schedule for players... but, lets not forget, lendl would have grinded out every year the same today with perhaps as much success...

lendl is the blueprint for tennis ironmen... without peer before or since... while djokovic is the complete guide to 'how to be a pussy and still rank top 5'...


i would also add that there is a bit more fluency and room for error to novak's baseline game where lendl was ruthless, rigid and efficient...

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 04:44 PM
Djokovic = Hewitt 2.0 in almost every aspect. I think he even has more haters now than Hewitt ever had.

The only thing is that Djokovic is a quitter and Hewitt is not.

yeah... interesting... hewitt is not a quitter... but probably has the same amount of haters in his homecountry that novak has worldwide... novak is polarising opinion about him in the same fashion hewitt did... except novak is polarising opinion thru his questionable heart...

so many coaches beleived hewitt, ferrero and safin's aggressive baseline/counterpunching games would be the blueprint for success at the turn of the century, only to be denied again by the tennis cycle which demands that the classics (federer) will always reign supreme...

10nisfan
05-12-2008, 04:57 PM
... while djokovic is the complete guide to "how to be a pussy and still rank top 5"..

indeed, indeed, indeed! :bigclap::haha:

Roland9
05-12-2008, 05:07 PM
:lol: at thread.

Djokovic is Djokovic of the 21st century.

10nisfan
05-12-2008, 05:42 PM
anyone who has love for the game of tennis should love djokovic (as should federer, or tsonga, etc. too).

i like tennis.. but it doesn't mean "I HAVE to Love the DJOKER"...

... but he's a great guy, with great personality, plays the game in a very attractive way.. so what is there not to like?

...yes he's got game, maybe funny personality when imitating others ...but so far he hasn't demonstrated class and heart of a true champion...

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 06:11 PM
i like tennis.. but it doesn't mean "I HAVE to Love the DJOKER"...



...yes he's got game, maybe funny personality when imitating others ...but so far he hasn't demonstrated class and heart of a true champion...



yeah, you don't see federer taking an afternoon off when he gets beat 6-2 in the first set... when he clocks on for the ATP he never asks the boss whether he can clock off prematurely...

plus fed don't make excuses and says classy stuff to diffuse a loss like: 'yeah, he played well today' or 'maybe a loss can be good to sharpen you up'...

and even then, others make excuses for him like glandular fever, heavy schedule or semi-detacted testicle... yet, you never hear him agree with these...

these things here are the mark of a true champ that gets the nod the world over...

Jock's saving grace is that federer didnt display these quailties at the age novak is now... so he has time...

but retiring when u are dizzy...? in a semi...? at monte carlo...? please, someone give this pussy a parasol...

lendl would have had to vomit his fat-free sandwich, two kidneys and a colapsed lung before he retired in a match...

Aloimeh
05-12-2008, 06:14 PM
yeah, you don't see federer taking an afternoon off when he gets beat 6-2 in the first set... when he clocks on for the ATP he never asks the boss whether he can clock off prematurely...

plus fed don't make excuses and says classy stuff to diffuse a loss like: 'yeah, he played well today' or 'maybe a loss can be good to sharpen you up'...

and even then, others make excuses for him like glandular fever, heavy schedule or semi-detacted testicle... yet, you never hear him agree with these...

these things here are the mark of a true champ that gets the nod the world over...

Jock's saving grace is that federer didnt display these quailties at the age novak is now... so he has time...

but retiring when u are dizzy...? in a semi...? at monte carlo...? please, someone give this pussy a parasol...

Please, Roger's mono debacle was just as big as Novak's retirement debacle. One was an attempt to discredit Novak's win of a grand slam that apparently "belonged" to Roger. The other was an attempt to deny Roger an all-out win. Both were pathetic episodes and shouldn't happen again.

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 06:17 PM
does anyone remember connors fighting back from two sets down against michael chang in his finale year of '91 or '92 at the french open...?

he said he wanted to retire after the 1st two sets... but decided to retire at 1-0 up in the fifth so he could retire in front...

but really, he retired then because he truly hard, but was much too modest to say that he was more granite than chang... now there was one of a couple of yanks i wouldnt have minded calling an aussie...

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 06:20 PM
Please, Roger's mono debacle was just as big as Novak's retirement debacle. One was an attempt to discredit Novak's win of a grand slam that apparently "belonged" to Roger. The other was an attempt to deny Roger an all-out win. Both were pathetic episodes and shouldn't happen again.

ok cool... i never heard federer come out and say this openly... so i dont mind standing corrected... cos if that is true then fed's mentality still has more holes than swiss cheese...

all i heard of the mono debacle is that other people were releasing and saying it... all i ever heard from fed was that he got beat in straight sets...

and that is what the records will say so he gotta eat it...

crackbillionair
05-12-2008, 06:39 PM
Djokovic plays with 2 hands. Lendl had one of the greatest one handed backhands ever. Despite that monumental difference in the two, and the fact that Djokovic can volley and Lendl could not, it's ridiculous to compare a player of Lendl's stature to Novak Djokovic, @ this point in his young career.

Aloimeh
05-12-2008, 06:42 PM
ok cool... i never heard federer come out and say this openly... so i dont mind standing corrected... cos if that is true then fed's mentality still has more holes than swiss cheese...

all i heard of the mono debacle is that other people were releasing and saying it... all i ever heard from fed was that he got beat in straight sets...

and that is what the records will say so he gotta eat it...

No, actually Fed announced it and stated that he "apparently" had mono *since before AO* - it was an almost explicit attempt to attribute that loss at the AO to mono, and in my opinion was just as cheap as Novak's retirement, albeit a bit more subtle.

Honestly, the only truly decent one of the three in terms of the mental games is Nadal. Both Novak and Roger have taken pot-shots at each other both on the court (retirement, "Be quiet!" to the opponent's parents) and off it (king is dead, he's a joke, etc.)

Voo de Mar
05-12-2008, 06:45 PM
I wrote more than one year ago here that Djokovic reminds me of Lendl. I thought about their similar height, weight and the fact that both come from Central Europe. Will Djokovic be as good as Lendl? We'll see but at the age of 20, Djokovic is better than 20-year-old Lendl.

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 06:58 PM
No, actually Fed announced it and stated that he "apparently" had mono *since before AO* - it was an almost explicit attempt to attribute that loss at the AO to mono, and in my opinion was just as cheap as Novak's retirement, albeit a bit more subtle.

Honestly, the only truly decent one of the three in terms of the mental games is Nadal. Both Novak and Roger have taken pot-shots at each other both on the court (retirement, "Be quiet!" to the opponent's parents) and off it (king is dead, he's a joke, etc.)

yeah ok cool...

no worries there cos i just never heard fed say it openly, but if fed did that then yeah for sure thats an excuse that i find completely boring... and excusues are the most boring thing i can think of giving my attention to... i think i just tuned out of tennis media world a couple of weeks after the ozopen.. cos nothing really happens from then until the red earth season.... maybe he said it then...

and also, if these are the lame pot-shots they are taking to each other then that is also indicative of 2 pussies at play... they may as well not say anything... i mean, a proper rivalry is when gilbert and wheaton are gonna have a go beside the net post because of a homosexual jibe... or mcenroe calling lendl a communist and lendl saying mcenroe was a complete idiot... or goran ivanisevic screaming profanities at a peice a wood, a door handle or anything else inanimate... they were great rivalries...

these are proper rivalries and if federer or jock cant summon up the courage to come out and publicly label the other in how they truly feel with all the subtlety of a chainsaw... then, they should just let the racquet do the talking...

fake sportsmanship is boring... if you have a bad attitude, i say show it and be true to yourself... i think novak does a great job of hiding that in front of the camera, where personalities like mcenroe/murray just dont give a toss and grumble win or lose...

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 07:00 PM
I wrote more than one year ago here that Djokovic reminds me of Lendl. I thought about their similar height, weight and the fact that both come from Central Europe. Will Djokovic be as good as Lendl? We'll see but at the age of 20, Djokovic is better than 20-year-old Lendl.

That's offensive towards Lendl.

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 07:03 PM
yeah... interesting... hewitt is not a quitter... but probably has the same amount of haters in his homecountry that novak has worldwide... novak is polarising opinion about him in the same fashion hewitt did... except novak is polarising opinion thru his questionable heart...

so many coaches beleived hewitt, ferrero and safin's aggressive baseline/counterpunching games would be the blueprint for success at the turn of the century, only to be denied again by the tennis cycle which demands that the classics (federer) will always reign supreme...

Hewitt's game is anything BUT aggressive.

Djokovic plays with 2 hands. Lendl had one of the greatest one handed backhands ever. Despite that monumental difference in the two, and the fact that Djokovic can volley and Lendl could not, it's ridiculous to compare a player of Lendl's stature to Novak Djokovic, @ this point in his young career.

Bullshit. Faker can't volley.

Aloimeh
05-12-2008, 07:03 PM
That's offensive towards Lendl.

I'll tell you what's offensive: Sexy's worm-dance and your behavior.

elessar
05-12-2008, 07:07 PM
I'll tell you what's offensive: Sexy's worm-dance and your behavior.
So you thought it was quite mean to Roger too :crying2: ?

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 07:08 PM
I'll tell you what's offensive: Sexy's worm-dance and your behavior.

Your constant attacking of Federer's what? Good behaviour? Opportunistic tard. Only posts when Faker is winning.

Sexy's talent is unreachable by your Faker. :wavey:

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 07:08 PM
That's offensive towards Lendl.

hahahahahah...:haha: it is...

if lendl read that he may well have punched a hole through his triple glazed bedroom window...

he would not have required first aid however because he is hard and also does not get dizzy at the sight of blood or at the prospect of a loss...

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 07:12 PM
[QUOTE=GlennMirnyi;7033421]Hewitt's game is anything BUT aggressive.

QUOTE]

yeah... true... thats why i put /counterpuncher in there... hewitt, wilander style

Voo de Mar
05-12-2008, 07:14 PM
That's offensive towards Lendl.

It can't be otherwise from statistical point of view. Djokovic will finish 21 years in almost two weeks time. Here is the comparison of Lendl and Djokovic at 21 years:

LENDL
- 7 titles
- 6 finals
- best GS results (only 1 quarterfinal: US Open 1980)
- Davis Cup: finalist 1980
- Masters appearances: 1 (final)

DJOKOVIC
- 10 titles (including Australian Open)
- 3 finals
- best GS results (winner AO, finalist UO, semifinalist RG & Wim)
- Davis Cup: 1st round of World Group
- Masters appearances: 1 (round-robin)

What can I say more? :shrug: Lendl as a 21 year-old player was more experienced than Nole actually only in Davis Cup department.

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 07:14 PM
hahahahahah...:haha: it is...

if lendl read that he may well have punched a hole through his triple glazed bedroom window...

he would not have required first aid however because he is hard and also does not get dizzy at the sight of blood or at the prospect of a loss...

Lendl was way better in all aspects. Especially in three: manhood, balls and sportsmanship.



yeah... true... thats why i put /counterpuncher in there... hewitt, wilander style

Just to make that clear. ;)

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 07:19 PM
Your constant attacking of Federer's what? Good behaviour? Opportunistic tard. Only posts when Faker is winning.

Sexy's talent is unreachable by your Faker. :wavey:


radek movement towards the net after he has already won a point is classical... he is more elegant than your average swan or stefan edberg perhaps... he also gets the birds and treats the dance floor as a tradesman would - a place of work where great skill is appreciated aka travolta in Saturday Night Fever...

most of all, radek's name shouldnt be disgraced on this sh!tty thread... he doesnt deserve this...

GlennMirnyi
05-12-2008, 07:25 PM
radek movement towards the net after he has already won a point is classical... he is more elegant than your average swan or stefan edberg perhaps... he also gets the birds and treats the dance floor as a tradesman would - a place of work where great skill is appreciated aka travolta in Saturday Night Fever...

most of all, radek's name shouldnt be disgraced on this sh!tty thread... he doesnt deserve this...

So true. Rado is pure class. :worship:

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 07:26 PM
It can be different from statistical point of view. Djokovic will finish 21 years in almost two weeks time. Here is the comparison of Lendl and Djokovic at 21 years:

LENDL
- 7 titles
- 6 finals
- best GS results (only 1 quarterfinal: US Open 1980)
- Davis Cup: finalist 1980
- Masters appearances: 1 (final)

DJOKOVIC
- 10 titles (including Australian Open)
- 3 finals
- best GS results (winner AO, finalist UO, semifinalist RG & Wim)
- Davis Cup: 1st round of World Group
- Masters appearances: 1 (round-robin)

What can I say more? :shrug: Lendl as a 21 year-old player was more experienced than Nole actually only in Davis Cup department.

great stats actually... but you cant measure greatness without having great yardsticks to measure by...

hmmm...

lendl
vs borg, mcenroe, connors... and you could throw vilas in there too if you want...

djok
vs federer, nadal.... and who else... has been, wasn't or could have been's...

still djok has good stats there despite...

you can only wait a few more years...

one thing you would not find hard to better by lendl is his winning percentage in grand slam finals... i think it is something like 8/11... quite horrendous, yet the 19 grand slam finals is monumental - monumental cos it equates to a grand slam final, each and every grand slam for almost 5 years...

lendl is the czech word for iron... the czechs had a different word for iron pre '83...

Voo de Mar
05-12-2008, 07:28 PM
lendl
vs borg, mcenroe, connors... and you could throw vilas in there too if you want...

djok
vs federer, nadal.... and who else... has been, wasn't or could have been's...


Very good notice, I thought about it...

fast_clay
05-12-2008, 07:45 PM
yeah ... i think if one of borg, mcenroe or connors had got injured or knocked out of a big tourney then for sure the others would have been able to put lendl in his place...

this may also explain why lendl's mental character is without question... his brutal, adolescent upbringing amongst greatness personified... greatness that didnt particularly like him either...

Aloimeh
05-12-2008, 08:54 PM
The Slavic word for iron is some variant of "zelezo" in all Slavic languages (including Czech) except Serbian, where it's "gvozdje" (I am guessing may stem from the Hungarian word "vas," pronounced "vosh").

groundstroke
05-12-2008, 08:54 PM
No way, Lendl had a lot more talent than Fakervic.

Voo de Mar
05-12-2008, 08:55 PM
The Slavic word for iron is some variant of "zelezo" in all Slavic languages (including Czech) except Serbian, where it's "gvozdje" (I am guessing may stem from the Hungarian word "vas," pronounced "vosh").

I don't know why you've written it. In Polish "iron" = "żelazo".

Aloimeh
05-12-2008, 09:04 PM
I don't know why you've written it. In Polish "iron" = "żelazo".

Oh, just because I was interested in whether the "lendl = iron" in Czech was true (I'm guessing he was joking, gullible idiot that I am!). It was rather interesting to see the same word persist across all the related languages with the exception of one. Words for other metals, such as tin, lead, copper, etc. are probably a lot more variable, although I would expect gold and silver to be pretty constant words.

ChrisDoesDallas
05-12-2008, 09:53 PM
He has a visually unappealing game in every single department, but there are no flaws in his game. I don't know a lot about Lendl's game as I've only seen one match, but from what I do remember, Lendl was much more interesting to watch. But I prefer '90s tennis anyway, so I guess I'm biased.

On being a villain, I don't particularly care. But out of anyone in tennis, if I had to classify one as a villain, it'd be him on the sole basis that I strongly dislike him and the words his family speaks in public. It's all rather tiring at this point, but he's going to be around for awhile. I thought after getting over my hate for Federer a year ago I'd be able to enjoy having a top ten without anyone that blows, but Djokovic, Ferrer, and Wawrinka have something to say about that. :o

ChrisDoesDallas
05-12-2008, 09:55 PM
Oh, that said, I find him extremely attractive. If I didn't hate his game so much I'd have a huge crush on him. Sigh.

crackbillionair
05-12-2008, 11:21 PM
Hewitt's game is anything BUT aggressive.



Bullshit. Faker can't volley.


Does he volley better than Lendl? Does he volley better than Andy Roddick? Do you think they'd play him in doubles DC for Serbia if he couldn't volley? Do you think John McEnroe would waste his time as a special volley coach to Djokovic if he had no ability to volley? Do you think working w/Mark Woodforde almost every day hasn't made him a decent volleyer? Did he volley pretty well playing with Jankovic @ Hopman Cup? I think he can volley just about as well anyone around these days who hits with 2 hands. That said, he isn't a hated player. There were more Tsonga fans @ the AO final. Big deal. And when he plays Fed, he's playing against history, and you can understand why the crowd goes for Roger. When Roger was 20 the crowd wasn't always for him. When Djokovic is 26, he will be regarded differently.

GlennMirnyi
05-13-2008, 12:39 AM
Does he volley better than Lendl? Does he volley better than Andy Roddick? Do you think they'd play him in doubles DC for Serbia if he couldn't volley? Do you think John McEnroe would waste his time as a special volley coach to Djokovic if he had no ability to volley? Do you think working w/Mark Woodforde almost every day hasn't made him a decent volleyer? Did he volley pretty well playing with Jankovic @ Hopman Cup? I think he can volley just about as well anyone around these days who hits with 2 hands. That said, he isn't a hated player. There were more Tsonga fans @ the AO final. Big deal. And when he plays Fed, he's playing against history, and you can understand why the crowd goes for Roger. When Roger was 20 the crowd wasn't always for him. When Djokovic is 26, he will be regarded differently.

Too many dumb questions in the same post.

1- He doesn't volley better than Lendl.
2- 70% of the top 100 volleys better than Roddick.
3- Serbia doesn't have someone better than him to put in doubles.
4- You don't learn to volley when you're 20, or 19, or 18. So he could be coached by Edberg and it wouldn't matter.
5- No, read above.
6- No he didn't, even Bopanna volleys better than him. Compared to Chela or any female player, even Andreev looks like a good volleyer.

Clay Death
05-13-2008, 12:43 AM
Too many dumb question in the same post.

1- He doesn't volley better than Lendl.
2- 70% of the top 100 volleys better than Roddick.
3- Serbia doesn't have someone better than him to put in doubles.
4- You don't learn to volley when you're 20, or 19, or 18. So he could be coached by Edberg and it wouldn't matter.
5- No, read above.
6- No he didn't, even Bopanna volleys better than him. Compared to Chela or any female player, even Andreev looks like a good volleyer.

what do you expect from a clueless novice? "dumb questions" is putting it lightly.

crackbillionair
05-13-2008, 02:23 AM
Too many dumb questions in the same post.

1- He doesn't volley better than Lendl.
2- 70% of the top 100 volleys better than Roddick.
3- Serbia doesn't have someone better than him to put in doubles.
4- You don't learn to volley when you're 20, or 19, or 18. So he could be coached by Edberg and it wouldn't matter.
5- No, read above.
6- No he didn't, even Bopanna volleys better than him. Compared to Chela or any female player, even Andreev looks like a good volleyer.


So Edberg is a better guy at coaching the volley than John McEnroe? Serbia doesn't have anyone to put in who is better than him in any respect. Actually, Andreev even plays doubles from the baseline, as he did against the Bryans in DC. If Djoker couldn't improve as a volleyer than why has he a volley coach and a volley specialist? It isn't all to improve his game or is it just a waste of time? He has won a slam since picking up John McEnroe now. And why did Lendl work so hard on volleying if it was hopeless?

Sorry for the novice questions, 'clay death.' You must be so tired of novice questions you receive all day from people trying to rent cars.

GlennMirnyi
05-13-2008, 02:28 AM
So Edberg is a better guy at coaching the volley than John McEnroe? Serbia doesn't have anyone to put in who is better than him in any respect. Actually, Andreev even plays doubles from the baseline, as he did against the Bryans in DC. If Djoker couldn't improve as a volleyer than why has he a volley coach and a volley specialist? It isn't all to improve his game or is it just a waste of time? He has won a slam since picking up John McEnroe now. And why did Lendl work so hard on volleying if it was hopeless?

Sorry for the novice questions, 'clay death.' You must be so tired of novice questions you receive all day from people trying to rent cars.

You keep the questions... bold, but meaningless.

Edberg is the best volleyer ever probably.
No. Tipsarevic is a mug, and from there it only gets worse.
Andreev and Davydenko lost to the Bryans, who can volley.
Because he's stupid and has money to burn.
Waste of time.
Bullshit.
Lendl didn't play with a western forehand.

Action Jackson
05-13-2008, 05:12 AM
The answer is still no.

JimmyV
05-13-2008, 05:55 AM
You keep the questions... bold, but meaningless.

Edberg is the best volleyer ever probably.
No. Tipsarevic is a mug, and from there it only gets worse.
Andreev and Davydenko lost to the Bryans, who can volley.
Because he's stupid and has money to burn.
Waste of time.
Bullshit.
Lendl didn't play with a western forehand.

Don't even bother responding to him, some people are so clueless that it's just a waste of time.

Action Jackson
05-13-2008, 06:19 AM
Don't even bother responding to him, some people are so clueless that it's just a waste of time.

I bet Djokovic wouldn't be able to do this.

French Open; Swede Upsets Lendl In 3 Sets

By ROBIN HERMAN, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: June 3, 1988

LEAD: This year's French Open has been full of surprises, but none have been bigger than Jonas B. Svensson's quick conquest today of Ivan Lendl, 7-6, 7-5, 6-2.

This year's French Open has been full of surprises, but none have been bigger than Jonas B. Svensson's quick conquest today of Ivan Lendl, 7-6, 7-5, 6-2.

Svensson, an unseeded Swede, pushed Lendl, ranked No. 1 in the world, to the limit with a mix of shots unusual for clay-court play.

One stretch too many by Lendl late in the second set resulted in a strained chest muscle for the two-time defending champion. Spiraling out of the contest in the third set, Lendl called for a trainer who sprayed a numbing ''liquid ice'' under his shirt.

''At that time I knew I was gone,'' Lendl said. ''I was hoping for a miracle, maybe him getting very tired or something like that or the ice working, but it was a long shot.''

All_Slam_Andre
05-13-2008, 08:49 AM
Lendl was a far more versatile player than Djokovic is now, and as many people have already stated, Lendl couldn't care less whether people liked him or not, while Djokovic certainly does care about how he is perceived by others.

almouchie
05-13-2008, 08:57 AM
I am new to this debate
but why exactly are novak family disliked
becoz they cheer for him when he wins?
nearly every tennis player have his family of entourage with him when they play in tournaments

Mimi
05-13-2008, 09:01 AM
i guess they are a bit annoying, shouting crazily at every point, and novak's mum "the king is dead, long live the king" is not nice at all, its not that novak had beaten roger 8-10 times, but just twice, its unwise and too arrogant to say that :wavey:, you see, rafa beat roger 9 times, but he never said this king is dead thing :wavey:
I am new to this debate
but why exactly are novak family disliked
becoz they cheer for him when he wins?
nearly every tennis player have his family of entourage with him when they play in tournaments