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Federer far more ill than he admitted

Commander Data
01-27-2008, 09:49 AM
According to Swiss news Media the Federer Clan deliberately downplayed Fderers illness.

http://www.blick.ch/sport/tennis/vergiftung-fieber-spital-81713

In an Interview to the Swiss Newspaper "le Matin" Federers Fitness Coach Pierre Paganini admitted that Federer suffered from heavy diarrhea for 6 days in the preparation for the AO loosing 7 pounds of weight!

After his impression this affected Federers power and movement on court

The media construed that the Fed Clan didn't talk about that as they didn't want to give the impression that Fed is not 100 % to the competition. Fed loosing early at the AO would have cost him the NO. 1 spot therefore the goal was to go as far a possible.

Fed will now go through a serious recovery traing in Dubai.

Take that Fed haters!

HNCS
01-27-2008, 09:53 AM
Look, i know you guys are going to say i'm trying to find excuses etc. and i know i'm a fedtard. but this also came as a surprise for me. and if you don't believe it, it's up to you. no one is trying to undermine djoko's achievements. from what i'm seeing, djoko is winning the AO anyways.

German article:

Von Marcel Hauck aus Australien | 00:27 | 27.01.2008

SonntagsBlick-Recherchen zeigen: Roger Federer war vor dem Australian Open weit stärker krank, als er es zugab. Er war im Spital, lag sechs Tage lang mit Fieber und Durchfall flach. Mit dieser Vorgeschichte ist sein Halbfinalvorstoss keine Enttäuschung, sondern eine herausragende Willensleistung.

Als Federer vor dem Start zum Australian Open vor zwei Wochen über seine Lebensmittelvergiftung sprach, klang das so: «Ich wachte am Samstag mit Fieber auf, und im Spital wurde eine leichte Lebensmittelvergiftung diagnostiziert. Es ging mir jedoch bald wieder besser, und jetzt fühle ich mich 100 Prozent fit.»

Auch nach der Halbfinalniederlage am Freitag gegen Novak Djokovic wollte er seine gestörte Vorbereitung nicht als Ausrede gelten lassen. «Vielleicht hat es eine Rolle gespielt, aber ich weiss es nicht.» Immerhin gab er zu, dass er sich auf dem Platz weniger schnell und spritzig als üblich gefühlt habe. Kein Wunder!

Es ehrt Roger Federer, dass er nicht nach Ausreden sucht, aber die Wahrheit ist eine andere. Mit einem kurzen Spitalbesuch war die Sache bei weitem nicht bereinigt. Gemäss zuverlässigen Quellen des SonntagsBlicks wurde Rogers Krankheit aus taktischen Gründen bewusst kleingeredet. Man wollte gegenüber den Gegnern keine Schwäche zeigen. Man sei sehr zufrieden, dass es gelungen sei, die wahren gesundheitlichen Probleme des Schweizers zu verbergen.

Dies erklärt auch, warum Federer nach dem Halbfinal von einem «ziemlich guten Resultat» sprach.

Diese Version wird weiter gestützt von Fitnesscoach Pierre Paganini. Gegenüber der Westschweizer Tageszeitung «Le Matin» erklärte er, Federer habe während sechs Tagen unter Fieber und Durchfall gelitten und dabei 3 Kilo Körpergewicht verloren. «Das hätte jeden Athleten flachgelegt.» Paganini bestätigte auch, dass die Weltnummer 1 in bester körperlicher Form nach Australien gereist sei.

Unter diesem Aspekt erhält Federers Halbfinalqualifikation einen viel höheren Wert. Hätte Roger nämlich wegen seiner Krankheit Forfait erklärt, könnte ihn Rafael Nadal bereits in den nächsten Wochen als Nummer 1 ablösen. Nun aber erhält der Baselbieter ausgiebig Gelegenheit, den Körper wieder in Form zu bringen.

Nach einer Pause ist Mitte Februar in Dubai nochmals eine intensive Trainingsphase mit Paganini und Davis-Cup-Captain Severin Lüthi geplant. Roger wird erst in der ersten Märzwoche bei seinem «Heimturnier» in der Wüstenstadt wieder ins Turniergeschehen eingreifen. Dann tatsächlich wieder 100 Prozent fit.






Short translation:



It says, that Roger was far more ill than he said. He tried to keep it low, because of his competitors. He had to stay in bed for 6 days because of fever and a stomach illness. He lost 3 kilos. Under this circumstances his half final qualification gains value. After a break he will begin with the training in mid-february.




Google translation:


SonntagsBlick research show: Roger Federer was before the Australian Open far more ill than he admitted. He was in hospital, was six days with fever and diarrhea flat. With this history is his Halbfinalvorstoss no disappointment, but a willingness outstanding performance.

As Federer before the start to the Australian Open two weeks ago about his food poisoning said, which sounded like this: "I woke on Saturday with a fever, and the hospital was a slight food poisoning diagnosed. It was, however, I soon got better, and now I feel 100 percent fit. "

Even after the semi-final defeat on Friday against Novak Djokovic wanted disturbed his preparation as an excuse not apply. "Maybe it has played a role, but I do not know." However, he admitted that he is on the square quickly and less bubbly than usual felt. No wonder!

It pays tribute to Roger Federer that he is not looking after excuses, but the truth is another. A short hospital visit was the matter is far from fixed. According to reliable sources of Sunday gaze was Rogers disease deliberately kleingeredet tactical reasons. Man wanted over the opponents show no weakness. They were very pleased that it had succeeded, the real health problems of the Swiss to hide.

This also explains why Federer according to the semi-finals of a "pretty good" result said.

This version will be further supported by fitness coach Pierre Paganini. Compared with the western Swiss daily newspaper "Le Matin" he explained, while Federer had six days at fever and suffered diarrhea and 3 kilograms of body weight lost. "That would have flattened any athlete." Paganini also confirmed that the world number 1 in the best physical shape travelled to Australia.

Under this aspect receives Federer's semi-final qualification a much higher value. Had Roger namely because of his illness Forfait declared it could Rafael Nadal in the coming weeks as the number 1 to replace. Now, however, the Basel area of opportunity, the body back into shape.

After a break is mid-February in Dubai again an intensive training phase with Paganini and Davis Cup captain Severin Lüthi planned. Roger is only in the first week of March at his home "tournament" in the desert city back into the tournament events intervene. Then again actually 100 percent fit.

Ferrero Forever
01-27-2008, 09:58 AM
Yeah I believe that. I actually suggested that to my mum while we were watching his match against Tipsarevic. There was something wrong with Roger. He wasn't his normal self, and he seemed like he could be beaten, which obviously happened. Federer's smart, he understands the importance of gaining a psychological advantage. Hopefully this bug or whatever he's got won't last a long time, and he'll be back winning everything shortly.

Cat123
01-27-2008, 10:02 AM
That explains a lot. But I still think Djokovic would have beaten him at his best.

Wolbo
01-27-2008, 10:04 AM
I understand why he wanted to downplay this and play the AO but he's taking a big risk with his health to stress the body while suffering from a virus. Let's hope it doesn't cause any lasting damage. It's a good thing his schedule allows him to recuperate for a few weeks.

CyBorg
01-27-2008, 10:06 AM
Too much information, but OK.

t0x
01-27-2008, 10:07 AM
He certainly wasn't moving quite as well.

Mentally, he wasn't match fit, you could tell his preparation had been affected.

Although Djoko still would of had a good chance of beating him to be honest.

DDrago2
01-27-2008, 10:24 AM
we are yet to see about that. He was too easily driven to five sets against Tipsy and again too easily beaten by Djokovic. Something puts him off and I doubt it's only this illness

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 10:25 AM
Quite obvious he subdued his illness. Hope he gets back in full-force soon, as there's something, someone very missing in today's final. :sad:

l_mac
01-27-2008, 10:26 AM
Didn't we already know this about Federer?

didadida
01-27-2008, 10:27 AM
Quite obvious he subdued his illness. Hope he gets back in full-force soon, as there's something, someone very missing in today's final. :sad:

yeh i really miss him in the final:sad:

didadida
01-27-2008, 10:28 AM
hope he will regain his health soon and be back in his best form again

Dougie
01-27-2008, 10:32 AM
I don´t find that hard to believe at all. Anyone who´s suffered from "liquid-shit" for that long, knows it takes time to gain back the lost weight and recover physically. Having to play best of 5-matches in those conditions doesn´t help at all. And I can´t imagine what the effect on mental preparation has been for him. Having said that, all credit to Djokovic, he seems to be on his way to winning the title and this doesn´t make his achievement any less valuable. It´s not like he gave the virus to Fed. Then again, what do I know about these guys´ activities off the court...:p

anon57
01-27-2008, 10:40 AM
I can fully understand that due to his illness he may not have been 100%, but before the tournament started he was reported to be ok and ready to play. Now that he's lost the reports that he may not have been healthy enough come out, and I find it rather annoying because had he won there wouldn't be any reports about how he wasn't physically ok. It comes across as excuses now

didadida
01-27-2008, 10:42 AM
he didnt take it as an excuse,and he gave credits to djokovic

Dougie
01-27-2008, 10:46 AM
I can fully understand that due to his illness he may not have been 100%, but before the tournament started he was reported to be ok and ready to play. Now that he's lost the reports that he may not have been healthy enough come out, and I find it rather annoying because had he won there wouldn't be any reports about how he wasn't physically ok. It comes across as excuses now

The way I understood, Federer himself didn´t try to find any excuses. This information came from "reliable sources", whatever they may be. So it´s all speculation, not an excuse from Federer himself. I don´t think we´ll hear Federer claiming his loss to Djokovic was because of this.

anon57
01-27-2008, 10:49 AM
From what I understand indeed it's not an excuse from Federer himself, I'd be kinda dissapointed if Federer was using it as an excuse. But I'm still not a big fan of these type of reports, that all I guess.

Allstar
01-27-2008, 11:02 AM
Expected. He looked weak throughout and his movement was very slow

Deivid23
01-27-2008, 11:05 AM
:haha: Good one

leng jai
01-27-2008, 11:06 AM
Anything who thinks Federer was 100% in that match is a moron.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 11:07 AM
If he was really ill I think we would have seen some signs over the course of his five-set match against Tipsy. I've had food poisoning several times, and it's never taken me more than several days to recover. I think the illness "hurt" Federer insofar as it disrupted his preparation; he appeared fine while playing.

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 11:07 AM
Quite obvious he subdued his illness. Hope he gets back in full-force soon, as there's something, someone very missing in today's final. :sad:

It's awful, isn't it! It's been a great match and it's been nice to be a relative neutral for a change (though I was mildly rooting for Tsonga)but it seemed all wrong lol. A pleasure for many others, no doubt, though.

I'm glad in a way to hear that he was worse than he let on (not surprised he played it down for the reasons given), but it's a bit concerning for the immediate future as these things can take a while to resolve. Just hope he hasn't done himself more harm than good in the short term. At least he held on to No 1!

FedFan
01-27-2008, 11:07 AM
Expected. He looked weak throughout and his movement was very slow

But it should not serve as an excuse. Roger in the past was always lucky because he was injury-free.

And it is not certain that a fully fit Roger would have won against Djokovic. :shrug:

Time to concentrate to the next tournaments.

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 11:13 AM
If he was really ill I think we would have seen some signs over the course of his five-set match against Tipsy. I've had food poisoning several times, and it's never taken me more than several days to recover. I think the illness "hurt" Federer insofar as it disrupted his preparation; he appeared fine while playing.

I think we did see signs of that in the Tipsy match i.e it went to 5 sets - he was able to play a long match but was unable to find that extra gear he usually musters when he has to. He was clearly not firing on all cylinders.

You may have got over your food poisoning in a few days; that doesn't mean to say that everyone with it should or can do the same - these things do vary in severity, as I know to my own personal cost. And did you then go on to play 6 of best of 5s immediately afterwards??

Foxy
01-27-2008, 11:21 AM
Didn't we already know this about Federer?

Exactly. It's no new information. It should have been expected. Many players do hide their injuries also.

FluffyYellowBall
01-27-2008, 11:22 AM
Of course it played role but Djokovic could have still gotten that win over Fed.. But if i knew this before AO id say hed lose 3rd round max

Foxy
01-27-2008, 11:26 AM
On second thought Fed actually started playing on Saturday against Tipsy.
First two matches were exibitions or practice sessions, choose one. No more than 1h and 10 min each.

Beforehand
01-27-2008, 11:27 AM
I've had food poisoning several times, and it's never taken me more than several days to recover.

You didn't have to play sports with world-class athletes for hours at a time afterwards, though, to be completely fair.

In any case, sounds about right, and good on Roger for not using it as an excuse, even if it was a viable and true one. He toughed out what he needed to tough out, and probably saved his ranking by doing so. He can work on getting back to where he wants to be for Dubai then.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 11:28 AM
It's awful, isn't it! It's been a great match and it's been nice to be a relative neutral for a change (though I was mildly rooting for Tsonga)but it seemed all wrong lol. A pleasure for many others, no doubt, though.

Ah, it's sort-of good to see some other players fight for a major trophy for a change. And just to clear things up: I don't take this as an excuse for Fed's loss, Djoko is a great player indeed - we will never know how it would've ended if Fed was indeed 100%. Might well be that Djoko would've won anyway.
As said already: it wasn't Fed himself who brought this up, it was his entourage.

I'm glad in a way to hear that he was worse than he let on (not surprised he played it down for the reasons given), but it's a bit concerning for the immediate future as these things can take a while to resolve. Just hope he hasn't done himself more harm than good in the short term. At least he held on to No 1!

Yep. I'm a bit surprised to see some people here claiming that such an infection should not have such an effect on him - people seem to forget that losing three kilo's in only a couple of days is a big blow for a professional athlete!
At least he now has plenty of time to regain his full strength.

juninhOH
01-27-2008, 11:29 AM
everyone does that, downplay their problems, in order to not show any weakness

Nadal always says he is 100% physically, then why in the fucking hell he uses those white-things on he knees?? It's obvious he isn't 100% physically. Also, he hid that he can't run for a lot of time.

Foxy
01-27-2008, 11:39 AM
Nadal also hid he played with numb foot all RG!

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 11:44 AM
You've found me out. I didn't go play 6 best-of-five-set matches after food poisoning. However, I didn't have the world's best physicians at my beck and call, either. Nor am I a professional athlete, and I didn't recover as quickly as a professional athlete might.

You may have got over your food poisoning in a few days; that doesn't mean to say that everyone with it should or can do the same - these things do vary in severity, as I know to my own personal cost. And did you then go on to play 6 of best of 5s immediately afterwards??

MatchFederer
01-27-2008, 11:53 AM
You've found me out. I didn't go play 6 best-of-five-set matches after food poisoning. However, I didn't have the world's best physicians at my beck and call, either. Nor am I a professional athlete, and I didn't recover as quickly as a professional athlete might.

TOUCHE!

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 12:07 PM
You've found me out. I didn't go play 6 best-of-five-set matches after food poisoning. However, I didn't have the world's best physicians at my beck and call, either. Nor am I a professional athlete, and I didn't recover as quickly as a professional athlete might.

Lol, there's not a lot the world's best physicians can do any better than some quack from the back alleys about something like food poisoning. It has to run its course, and I use the pun advisedly. And the problem for professional athletes is that they're shown no favours by illnesses like this - they might be hyper-fit, but their digestive systems are no better than yours or mine, and their finely tuned bodies can't fight it any better either - recovery has little to do with how big your muscles are or how low your heart rate is or how far and fast you can run to retrieve a ball on a tennis court. In fact, BECAUSE they're so obsessively fit, it probably takes a greater toll relatively speaking, especailly as they're not able to keep up their fitness levels while the sickness is happening.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 12:08 PM
^^ well said. Any a physician will back up your words.

muniu
01-27-2008, 12:11 PM
illness is the part of the game , so it's sad he wasn't 100% fit but ,he's only human :wavey:
But Djoko :woohoo:

Dzordzzz!
01-27-2008, 12:13 PM
According to Swiss news Media the Federer Clan deliberately downplayed Fderers illness.

http://www.blick.ch/sport/tennis/vergiftung-fieber-spital-81713

In an Interview to the Swiss Newspaper "le Matin" Federers Fitness Coach Pierre Paganini admitted that Federer suffered from heavy diarrhea for 6 days in the preparation for the AO loosing 7 pounds of weight!

After his impression this affected Federers power and movement on court

The media construed that the Fed Clan didn't talk about that as they didn't want to give the impression that Fed is not 100 % to the competition. Fed loosing early at the AO would have cost him the NO. 1 spot therefore the goal was to go as far a possible.

Fed will now go through a serious recovery traing in Dubai.

Take that Fed haters!

It's allways somebody else's fault when "the king" loose:rolleyes:NOVAK WAS BETTER!Try to accept that FACT

Duleml
01-27-2008, 12:16 PM
well it was time for him, and us, to know...he is full of sh*t

Burrow
01-27-2008, 12:17 PM
Definately wasn't 100% not even close.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 12:19 PM
You are probably right; I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV. The question is, how long does it take for the illness to "run its course," as you put it? I found this on Wikipedia (so you know it's good) under "Food Poisoning":

In most cases the body is able to permanently recover after a short period of acute discomfort and illness


I estimated four or five days. I have no idea when Roger contracted his illness. Was it a week before? I actually don't know. I think the illness clearly disrupted his preparation, but I watched the Tipsarevic, Berdych, and Blake matches and I didn't notice any overt signs of lethargy. You said that the mere fact that the Tipsy match went five was enough. I don't buy that, especially since he recovered well enough to dispatch Berdych and Blake so quickly.






Lol, there's not a lot the world's best physicians can do any better than some quack from the back alleys about something like food poisoning. It has to run its course, and I use the pun advisedly. And the problem for professional athletes is that they're shown no favours by illnesses like this - they might be hyper-fit, but their digestive systems are no better than yours or mine, and their finely tuned bodies can't fight it any better either - recovery has little to do with how big your muscles are or how low your heart rate is or how far and fast you can run to retrieve a ball on a tennis court. In fact, BECAUSE they're so obsessively fit, it probably takes a greater toll relatively speaking, especailly as they're not able to keep up their fitness levels while the sickness is happening.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 12:21 PM
It's allways somebody else's fault when "the king" loose:rolleyes:NOVAK WAS BETTER!Try to accept that FACT

:bs: - nobody here says it's an excuse for Fed's loss. Certainly not Fed himself.
And just to remember you: he doesn't take any unnecessary medical time-outs to spoil the opponent's momentum, which I think your favourite has been caught doing on several occasions.

l_mac
01-27-2008, 12:22 PM
The Saturday before Kooyong he had the food poisoning.

10 days before his first match at AO.

Jozie
01-27-2008, 12:23 PM
Even if he had been 100% fit, Djokovic would have beaten him. I think the conditions did not suit Federer.

Dzordzzz!
01-27-2008, 12:24 PM
:bs: - nobody here says it's an excuse for Fed's loss. Certainly not Fed himself.
And just to remember you: he doesn't take any unnecessary medical time-outs to spoil th eopponent's momentum, which I think your favourite has been caught doing on several occasions.

Here we go again...now the medical time-out is reason for Tsonga's or anybody else's lost:rolleyes:?FFS!

MariaV
01-27-2008, 12:24 PM
:bs: - nobody here says it's an excuse for Fed's loss. Certainly not Fed himself.
And just to remember you: he doesn't take any unnecessary medical time-outs to spoil the opponent's momentum, which I think your favourite has been caught doing on several occasions.

Ditto.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 12:24 PM
You are probably right; I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV. The question is, how long does it take for the illness to "run its course," as you put it? I found this on Wikipedia (so you know it's good) under "Food Poisoning":

In most cases the body is able to permanently recover after a short period of acute discomfort and illness



Like Rosamunde said: that might be the case for 'normal' people - keep in mind that it's an 'average' recovery time, though - but certainly NOT for a professional athlete, who has to be in top-form to achieve his best. They might 'recover' for a bit in a few days, but that doesn't mean they are 100% fit again.

keroni
01-27-2008, 12:27 PM
you just don't be ill and double bagel Santoro.

Dzordzzz!
01-27-2008, 12:30 PM
BTW if he was ill or something he should skeep tournament or too surrender match when he was feeling so bad.Simple as that.

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 12:33 PM
[QUOTE=David Watts;6499636]You are probably right; I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV. The question is, how long does it take for the illness to "run its course," as you put it? I found this on Wikipedia (so you know it's good) under "Food Poisoning":

In most cases the body is able to permanently recover after a short period of acute discomfort and illness


QUOTE]

Well, how long is a piece of string and what's mild and what's severe?

This from www.emedicinehealth.com/food_poisoning

Food poisoning is a common, usually mild, but sometimes deadly illness. Typical symptoms include nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramping, and diarrhea that come on suddenly (within 48 hours) of consuming a contaminated food or drink. Depending on the contaminant, fever and chills, bloody stools, dehydration, and nervous system damage may follow. These symptoms may affect one person or a group of people who ate the same thing (this would be called an outbreak).

In other words, it depends......

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 12:33 PM
I don't know how to quantify a professional athlete's performance.... Roger looked fine to me in his first five matches and he was outplayed in the sixth. Maybe a more discerning eye saw specific signs of fatigue, illness, and lethargy in his first five five matches. I did not.


Like Rosamunde said: that might be the case for 'normal' people - keep in mind that it's an 'average' recovery time, though - but certainly NOT for a professional athlete, who has to be in top-form to achieve his best. They might 'recover' for a bit in a few days, but that doesn't mean they are 100% fit again.

Corey Feldman
01-27-2008, 12:34 PM
Not sure if i believe any of it

his movement was not good and his attitude on court has been getting worse - but this has been over a year, not the last 3 weeks.

stebs
01-27-2008, 12:35 PM
Better to be not 100%, still able to compete than to be injured completely. It is a valid reason for the nature of his defeat, I never foresaw a straight sets defeat coming anytime soon to any player on a hardcourt, however, Djokovic shouldn't have anything taken away, best player of the tournament won the tournament.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 12:39 PM
I agree. It depends. There are too many variants of which we are not aware. I can only gauge his health based on what I saw in the Santoro, Tipsy, Berdych, and Blake matches. He looked like Roger--unflappable and smooth.



[QUOTE=David Watts;6499636]You are probably right; I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV. The question is, how long does it take for the illness to "run its course," as you put it? I found this on Wikipedia (so you know it's good) under "Food Poisoning":

In most cases the body is able to permanently recover after a short period of acute discomfort and illness


QUOTE]

Well, how long is a piece of string and what's mild and what's severe?

This from www.emedicinehealth.com/food_poisoning

Food poisoning is a common, usually mild, but sometimes deadly illness. Typical symptoms include nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramping, and diarrhea that come on suddenly (within 48 hours) of consuming a contaminated food or drink. Depending on the contaminant, fever and chills, bloody stools, dehydration, and nervous system damage may follow. These symptoms may affect one person or a group of people who ate the same thing (this would be called an outbreak).

In other words, it depends......

Dzordzzz!
01-27-2008, 12:39 PM
Better to be not 100%, still able to compete than to be injured completely. It is a valid reason for the nature of his defeat, I never foresaw a straight sets defeat coming anytime soon to any player on a hardcourt, however, Djokovic shouldn't have anything taken away, best player of the tournament won the tournament.


Truth!:worship:

Commander Data
01-27-2008, 12:42 PM
It's allways somebody else's fault when "the king" loose:rolleyes:NOVAK WAS BETTER!Try to accept that FACT

I didn't say it is somebodys elses fault. Fed eat that chicken all by himself :)

I admitted that Nole was the better player that day. He won and that is what counts. But I do not see any reason why I shuold not discuss Federers Illness. Loosing 7 pounds has certainly an effect on the fitness level. Why should I not find some hope in that info and assume that Fed will better preform next time he plays Nole?

If Nole is truely the better Player he will beat Fed many more times and remove all doubts that he is better. But as for now I don't buy into Nole being better then Fed in general.

But I say it again. Nole was the best Player AO 2008. no discussion about that.

Polikarpov
01-27-2008, 12:44 PM
6 Days? Ouch!

avocadoe
01-27-2008, 12:45 PM
I'm with you Commander Data, we'll see how the year plays out. I know Federer was unwell and not near his best and it has nothing to do with being 26 years old.

Eden
01-27-2008, 12:55 PM
Arnaud Boetsch also commented about Rogers physical shape in that match and said that it was clearly not the normal fit Roger on the court.

I think the recent statements from Paganini regarding Rogers health were more meant to be as a surprise that Roger made it that far in the tournament. Paganini said that the loss of weight in that amount of time would have affected every athlete.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 01:00 PM
I think it's unfortunate that Roger's "entourage" released this information at all. He's a great champion and (in my opinion) the greatest of all time. As one of the greats, he should respond to adversity (i.e. a bad loss) by simply playing better in the next tournament. (I do think he's the favorite in Dubai.) Call me a cynic, but I don't think Roger would have allowed this information to leak without his approval. He's always kept a tight leash on those around him, and I don't know why this would be different.

I think this loss affected him more deeply than some other losses in the past. As for the '05 AO, Roger had two MPs and he was close. Win some, lose some. This loss is different. This loss was a "comprehensive beating" administered by an arrogant upstart.

Roger will still probably win Wimbledon, etc., and finish this year #1. He should have simply moved past this illness, regardless of the effect it had on his game.

Burrow
01-27-2008, 01:00 PM
BTW if he was ill or something he should skeep tournament or too surrender match when he was feeling so bad.Simple as that.

Why? He would lose 1000 points. Reaching the semi final stage he loses only 550 I think. If he skipped the tournament then Nadal would be right behind him in the rankings.

Stupid thing to do, skipping the tournament if he is capable of making it that far.

Langers
01-27-2008, 01:04 PM
Yeah I believe that. I actually suggested that to my mum while we were watching his match against Tipsarevic. There was something wrong with Roger. He wasn't his normal self, and he seemed like he could be beaten, which obviously happened. Federer's smart, he understands the importance of gaining a psychological advantage. Hopefully this bug or whatever he's got won't last a long time, and he'll be back winning everything shortly.
Yeah, won’t that be something to look forward to……………… :rolleyes:

Burrow
01-27-2008, 01:09 PM
I think it's unfortunate that Roger's "entourage" released this information at all. He's a great champion and (in my opinion) the greatest of all time. As one of the greats, he should respond to adversity (i.e. a bad loss) by simply playing better in the next tournament. (I do think he's the favorite in Dubai.) Call me a cynic, but I don't think Roger would have allowed this information to leak without his approval. He's always kept a tight leash on those around him, and I don't know why this would be different.

I think this loss affected him more deeply than some other losses in the past. As for the '05 AO, Roger had two MPs and he was close. Win some, lose some. This loss is different. This loss was a "comprehensive beating" administered by an arrogant upstart.

Roger will still probably win Wimbledon, etc., and finish this year #1. He should have simply moved past this illness, regardless of the effect it had on his game.

Call me biased or whatever, some people say Federer wasn't too great in 2005 because he lost not only in the first slam of the year but also the second, at the Semi-final stage.

2005 Australian Open was Safin's time. Safin played astonishing tennis, Federer was inches from winning that match but Safin held on tight, somehow.

Nadal has blocked Federer from going one step further in every French Open since 2005. He was playing great back then, despite this.

This time on the otherhand, Federer was ill, I do not see Djokovic beating him in the semi-final as a big scalp, if that were Safin from 2005, I think it would have been an absolute crushing, or even if he played Nadal on clay in that state, where movement is so crucial it would have been very ugly for Federer.

Simply put it like this, if Roger Federer wins the French Open this year the tables will turn from "Federer declining" to "Federer is the greatest of all time".

Time will tell.

HeretiC
01-27-2008, 01:15 PM
OMG,just don't do this guys, Fed doesn't need you to find an excuses for him. If he wasn't healthy he wouldn't have played at all or lost in a first round against Hartfield. They are all humans and it is impossible to be 100% in 365 day per year (or not even a 80-100 days - number of their matches per year). Like if he was suffering from anything badly he would have dismantle Berdych and Blake in 3. Djoker still suffers from his back and his physical condition and stamina are below average now. I doubt he would have survived any long and tough 5 setter in the tournament, and yet he won AO. Little bit luck for him that he didn't had any exhausting matches.

Bibberz
01-27-2008, 01:18 PM
Oh, Roger winning the '08 will overshadow just about everything in the tennis universe. It will mean so much more now than if he had won in '05--beating a promising teenager (Nadal) in the SF and an overachieving druggie (Puerta) in the F doesn't compare to what Roger will have to go through to get this year's FO.

Let's assume for a moment that Roger was genuinely ill throughout the AO and that alone accounted for his loss. I'm of the opinion that staying healthy counts as part of the game. Whether it's contracting food poisoning or double-faulting or failing to convert break points--a loss is a loss. I understand why some Roger fans might find it comforting to think that he was just simply ill, though.




Call me biased or whatever, some people say Federer wasn't too great in 2005 because he lost not only in the first slam of the year but also the second, at the Semi-final stage.

2005 Australian Open was Safin's time. Safin played astonishing tennis, Federer was inches from winning that match but Safin held on tight, somehow.

Nadal has blocked Federer from going one step further in every French Open since 2005. He was playing great back then, despite this.

This time on the otherhand, Federer was ill, I do not see Djokovic beating him in the semi-final as a big scalp, if that were Safin from 2005, I think it would have been an absolute crushing, or even if he played Nadal on clay in that state, where movement is so crucial it would have been very ugly for Federer.

Simply put it like this, if Roger Federer wins the French Open this year the tables will turn from "Federer declining" to "Federer is the greatest of all time".

Time will tell.

Farenhajt
01-27-2008, 01:19 PM
Just the expected comforting propaganda for a legend losing the momentum.

rofe
01-27-2008, 01:35 PM
I think he was 100% physically during the tournament but his illness probably interfered with his preparation. Novak deserved his win but Fed was making too many silly mistakes on mid-court balls.

Anyway, this AO is Novak's AO so it is best to move on.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 01:36 PM
^^ Perfect way to conclude this thread.

Kolya
01-27-2008, 01:39 PM
Whatever...

Tipsarevic was sick as well.

Tenez
01-27-2008, 02:57 PM
I would say he did well to play and preserve his nber 1 ranking by reaching the semi. I don't think Fed will provide excuses until he has better days. I remember when he won here 2 years ago, he never said anything about his ankle injury during the tournament but talked more openly about it months later.

DDrago2
01-27-2008, 03:01 PM
Whatever...

Tipsarevic was sick as well.

but on a good way :lol:

Johnny Groove
01-27-2008, 03:03 PM
Call me biased or whatever, some people say Federer wasn't too great in 2005 because he lost not only in the first slam of the year but also the second, at the Semi-final stage.

2005 Australian Open was Safin's time. Safin played astonishing tennis, Federer was inches from winning that match but Safin held on tight, somehow.

Nadal has blocked Federer from going one step further in every French Open since 2005. He was playing great back then, despite this.

This time on the otherhand, Federer was ill, I do not see Djokovic beating him in the semi-final as a big scalp, if that were Safin from 2005, I think it would have been an absolute crushing, or even if he played Nadal on clay in that state, where movement is so crucial it would have been very ugly for Federer.

Simply put it like this, if Roger Federer wins the French Open this year the tables will turn from "Federer declining" to "Federer is the greatest of all time".

Time will tell.

Too bad Nadal could win RG righty :shrug: Time will tell that Fed is past his peak, especially on clay

MissMelly2U
01-27-2008, 03:04 PM
but on a good way :lol:

Ya think? :lol:
I need some of that bug that he had.

Black Adam
01-27-2008, 03:57 PM
If he was really that sick then he should be thankful he made it that far. Anyways Nole was gonna have for supper in semis.

alfonsojose
01-27-2008, 04:40 PM
JesusFed had to play to defend his no. positin. But hif he's not going to Dubai or if Dubai pionts drop earlier, he'll lose the no. 1 spot

tennischick
01-27-2008, 08:20 PM
i wonder if we would have heard anything about this if he had won?

that said, i truly hope he gets 100% well.

rofe
01-27-2008, 08:33 PM
i wonder if we would have heard anything about this if he had won?

that said, i truly hope he gets 100% well.

We did hear about his ankle injury after he won AO 2006. :shrug:

jasmin
01-27-2008, 08:38 PM
I was wondering how he could be that ill and be okay in a few days. He should have just let this one go but he made it far. I guess his goal was to stay number one at least. He acheived that at least.

Really Fed was never Fed but in spurts in the whole tournament imo. I was telling my husband that he never look like he was enjoying himself out there even when he won.

JediFed
01-27-2008, 08:42 PM
Interesting. Thank you for posting it.

When I was watching him play I thought he looked much thinner, especially in the upper body prior to the match.

That would explain many things. I hope he gets well soon.

I'm glad he didn't mention it until now, that's very classy. No injury timeouts nothing, and he still should have won that match with Djokovic.

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 08:52 PM
Why? He would lose 1000 points. Reaching the semi final stage he loses only 550 I think. If he skipped the tournament then Nadal would be right behind him in the rankings.

Stupid thing to do, skipping the tournament if he is capable of making it that far.

Exactly. From what I've read at least Roger's entourage was pretty happy that he was indeed able to make it that far in the tournament.
And I repeat: it is NO excuse for his loss - every player will have to deal with the bad luck of getting injured or sick once in a while. It's a plain matter of being a living human being...

idolwatcher1
01-27-2008, 09:17 PM
I'm sorry Federer was affected by the unfortunate illness he had just prior to the Australian Open. I know that it can affect him not only physically, but psychologically as well. However, in all reality, many players are not physcially at 100% coming into important events, and many have had similar episodes of stomach bugs, etc. I think Roger should feel very blessed to have been as healthy as he's been since his career's began. Many others have not had near the fortune that Roger has had, and he did well to get to the semis, despite his loss.

I don't feel that it's even worth suggesting whether Federer would have won or lost his match should he have come into the AO feeling 100%. There's really no point in doing that... :shrug:

hablovah19
01-27-2008, 09:21 PM
It's plausible.

Hopefully he can focus on winning RG now. :)

trixtah
01-27-2008, 09:22 PM
Well it was obvious that Roger was playing sub par but it's only natural to get sick. No point in taking away from Novak's victory, which he didn't.

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 09:30 PM
Exactly. From what I've read at least Roger's entourage was pretty happy that he was indeed able to make it that far in the tournament.
And I repeat: it is NO excuse for his loss - every player will have to deal with the bad luck of getting injured or sick once in a while. It's a plain matter of being a living human being...

Yes, it's exactly that - just rotten luck and unfortunate timing; it's part of life's rich tapestry. And Djoker played well, so deserved the win.

Your avatar is spooky - I get the chills every time I catch sight of it......:eek:

scoobs
01-27-2008, 09:33 PM
It's all water under the bridge now anyway.

As you say, rotten luck, but he's been quite lucky in the past with hardly any injuries or illness at bad times.

It doesn't take anything away from Djokovic, obviously.

Being fit and able to play as close to peak capacity is part of the job, and if you fall short, whether your fault or not, that's too bad...

kobulingam
01-27-2008, 09:36 PM
From USENET Group (rec.sport.tennis):

However, this story got me curious and I dug around to find some
Luzern and other respectable Swiss papers. These newspapers also
mentioned Roger being in the hospital for 6 days, but they claim he
only stayed overnight for 2 nights. He was on an IV drip because the
diarhhea dehydrated him. The other 4 days he came into the hospital
for tests, but didn't spend the night. The Luzern paper said he took a
bathroom break between sets when playing Blake and threw up. I don't
recall Fed taking a bathroom break during that match. They also said
during his Tipsy match he was on a non-drowsy form of Dramimine, which
prevents nausea and vomitting.


Author: ulysses@mscomm.com

pascal'rG
01-27-2008, 09:39 PM
It's not about taking anything away from djokovic and these who think so are just stupid blind nole fans it's more to explain why he played not at his best level.
I was really wondering and it's good to have an explanation which means that he's not finished as lots of people said but will be back in his best form to win many more tourneys.

And that's a good news !! (even if it was nice to see a final with differents people ;-))

Sunset of Age
01-27-2008, 09:48 PM
Your avatar is spooky - I get the chills every time I catch sight of it......:eek:

I promise I'll get rid of it this very night. I know, it's ludicrous. :lol:
Time to mock a certain someone else again, no? :smoke:

EDIT: It's been dealt with. Just a lovely piccie of my two most beloved players this time, no mockery. I keep THAT in store for the clay season again, heh.

RagingLamb
01-27-2008, 10:04 PM
True or not. what's the point of talkin' about it now?

kobulingam
01-27-2008, 10:20 PM
True or not. what's the point of talkin' about it now?

Well, if Djokovic and his clan can bring up tooth surgery as the reason for his bad form the last couple months of 2007, then Roger's clan can do the same for him.

Talking about it now is just a way to keep the "FED IN DECLINE" and "DJOKOVIC IS NEW KING" fanatics out there in check.

Bremen
01-27-2008, 10:24 PM
From USENET Group (rec.sport.tennis):

However, this story got me curious and I dug around to find some
Luzern and other respectable Swiss papers. These newspapers also
mentioned Roger being in the hospital for 6 days, but they claim he
only stayed overnight for 2 nights. He was on an IV drip because the
diarhhea dehydrated him. The other 4 days he came into the hospital
for tests, but didn't spend the night. The Luzern paper said he took a
bathroom break between sets when playing Blake and threw up. I don't
recall Fed taking a bathroom break during that match. They also said
during his Tipsy match he was on a non-drowsy form of Dramimine, which
prevents nausea and vomitting.



Author: ulysses@mscomm.com

Um...I remember Federer almost tripped over a cart on his way back from the bathroom, but I can't remember what match it was from, blake or Berdych??

FedFan_2007
01-27-2008, 10:26 PM
I just don't want to hear a single fucking excuse from NoleTards the next time he fails to win a slam because of being sick/injured/whatever. NEVER EVER do I want to hear a peep from them again.

musefanatic
01-27-2008, 10:28 PM
Wow it's amazing he did as well as he did!!! :eek: Really amazed by how well he played if that was the case, good on him, i really missed him in the final i must say but fingers crossed for next tournies and the French :)

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 10:39 PM
Um...I remember Federer almost tripped over a cart on his way back from the bathroom, but I can't remember what match it was from, blake or Berdych??

I remember him taking several bathroom breaks during the tournament in different matches. I noticed it particularly because he so rarely does that, and I was wondering at the time if it had anything to do with his original problem. Seems it did.

rosamunda
01-27-2008, 10:42 PM
I promise I'll get rid of it this very night. I know, it's ludicrous. :lol:
Time to mock a certain someone else again, no? :smoke:

EDIT: It's been dealt with. Just a lovely piccie of my two beloved players this time, no mockery. I keep THAT in store for the clay season again, heh.

Thank you - that's SO much better. I can go to bed again without the fear of weird dreams now....;)

Bremen
01-27-2008, 10:44 PM
I remember him taking several bathroom breaks during the tournament in different matches. I noticed it particularly because he so rarely does that, and I was wondering at the time if it had anything to do with his original problem. Seems it did.

Yeah, I can't remember any other tournaments where he had to do that...

Well I'm hoping this doesn't have any long term effect on Federer's play.

tangerine_dream
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
So what you're saying is that Roger literally crapped his pants facing Novak? Heh. :lol: :unsure: :bolt:

He looked fine in his matches up until then so he must have had a relapse. I wouldn't be surprised if he were running a fever too because he was sweating all over the place.

*edit*
Here's a recent news item that reports (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/NATIONWORLD/801270360/1083/LIVING01) how a bad case of food poisoning can affect your health years' afterwards.

Jlee
01-27-2008, 11:19 PM
I think Roger showed his true class in downplaying the illness and its effect on him. Obviously Nole would have pushed him to the limit had he been feeling well physically and mentally (because his preparation was off) but I think we would have seen a different Roger out there. The Roger that we're so used to seeing, not the slow, passive one that came out. Like Roger said though, all credit to Djoko for an impressive result (and now his first slam :))

(7 pounds!? :eek:)

Burrow
01-28-2008, 12:37 AM
Too bad Nadal could win RG righty :shrug: Time will tell that Fed is past his peak, especially on clay

That is just like saying "Too bad El Aynaoui could win RG righty"

I do think he is past his peak, I do not think he can reach the heights he did from 2004 to 2006 on a consistant basis, going on long streaks etc. I believe those days are slowly passing by us, but I do think he will keep making history and he will beat Sampras slam record and I still think Federer can win the French Open, he is too young not to have a few more shots. He still has a few years left in the tank to challenge for the French Open.

RagingLamb
01-28-2008, 02:33 AM
Well, if Djokovic and his clan can bring up tooth surgery as the reason for his bad form the last couple months of 2007, then Roger's clan can do the same for him.

Talking about it now is just a way to keep the "FED IN DECLINE" and "DJOKOVIC IS NEW KING" fanatics out there in check.

sure, maybe it will have this effect around a place like here. but I don't know if Roger should really care about that.

first saying that you were fully recovered and then saying, that no, maybe I was ill, seems to me, a way to convince yourself that you haven't actually declined.

Roger wouldn't do this (in my opinion) just excuse a loss.

dragons112
01-28-2008, 03:31 AM
im a fed fan but i dony like excuses. he had chances to take out nole but he didnt. a far more reasonable theroy wud be lack of match play

burnt-guitars
01-28-2008, 03:40 AM
obvious of novak fans saying "excuses excuses"
-_______-"

i knew federer wasnt feeling 100% as he said he was. poor boy :/

Bernard Black
01-28-2008, 08:46 AM
Pretty obvious his movement wasn't 100%. A shame for him, but that's the way it goes in sport and Djokovic is still the deserved winner. Who's to say what so many other players would have achieved injury / illness free? It's just the way it goes and you have to move on.

Experimentee
01-28-2008, 09:26 AM
He didnt seem 100% against Djokovic, but then he seemed fine in the matches where he thrashed Santoro and Hartfield, and beat Berdych and Blake, so obviously it wasnt affecting him then. Unless he got it again after the Blake match you cant really use that pre tournament illness as an excuse for the loss.

zcess81
01-28-2008, 09:26 AM
As far as I remember just before AO Federer was saying how he's 100% fit and that his stomach illness is gone...no mention of the illness while he was beating all the other players...but as soon as he loses...the illness is back. SAD loser, just like Serena Williams.

Also, when a player who's normaly great plays against Federer and doesn't play well, everyone says it's because Federer doesn't let him play his normal game, but when Roger doesn't play well it's because of some illness??? Pathetic!

Maybe he just crapped his shorts...maybe that was the "illness" he was refering to.

ZakMcCrack
01-28-2008, 09:52 AM
As far as I remember just before AO Federer was saying how he's 100% fit and that his stomach illness is gone...no mention of the illness while he was beating all the other players...but as soon as he loses...the illness is back. SAD loser, just like Serena Williams.

Also, when a player who's normaly great plays against Federer and doesn't play well, everyone says it's because Federer doesn't let him play his normal game, but when Roger doesn't play well it's because of some illness??? Pathetic!

Maybe he just crapped his shorts...maybe that was the "illness" he was refering to.

After having decided to play the AO and being aware that the illness still might have an effect on him during the two weeks(also due to the loss of substance) why would or should Roger mention that in public?! Strategically this would have been a fault. Remember, Roger doesn't like his opponents to get to know or see wheter he's fine or not, wheter he's in a bad or in a good mood. And besides - he didn't use his stomach illness as an excuse, not once and not even after his loss against Novak.Inform yourself properly next time, you clown:rolleyes:

scarecrows
01-28-2008, 09:53 AM
As far as I remember just before AO Federer was saying how he's 100% fit and that his stomach illness is gone...no mention of the illness while he was beating all the other players...but as soon as he loses...the illness is back. SAD loser, just like Serena Williams.



yet, you have him in your sig

HNCS
01-28-2008, 09:57 AM
As far as I remember just before AO Federer was saying how he's 100% fit and that his stomach illness is gone...no mention of the illness while he was beating all the other players...but as soon as he loses...the illness is back. SAD loser, just like Serena Williams.

Also, when a player who's normaly great plays against Federer and doesn't play well, everyone says it's because Federer doesn't let him play his normal game, but when Roger doesn't play well it's because of some illness??? Pathetic!

Maybe he just crapped his shorts...maybe that was the "illness" he was refering to.



Please if you want to make a point, please read the words in front of you c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y, before you make a judgement.:rolleyes:


if you actually ever bothered to read the article, i think we're discussing the fact that Federer himself onlu said he was 100% to downplay the illness and thus keep a pyschological edge. He himself hasn't come out and said how bad his illness was. "reliable sources" and federer's trainer is where the news is coming from.

Sean.J.S.
01-28-2008, 10:13 AM
Excuses, excuses. Tut, tut. ;)

But I agree...Roger didn't seem 100%. :shrug:

Monteque
01-28-2008, 10:38 AM
According to Swiss news Media the Federer Clan deliberately downplayed Fderers illness.

http://www.blick.ch/sport/tennis/vergiftung-fieber-spital-81713

In an Interview to the Swiss Newspaper "le Matin" Federers Fitness Coach Pierre Paganini admitted that Federer suffered from heavy diarrhea for 6 days in the preparation for the AO loosing 7 pounds of weight!

After his impression this affected Federers power and movement on court

The media construed that the Fed Clan didn't talk about that as they didn't want to give the impression that Fed is not 100 % to the competition. Fed loosing early at the AO would have cost him the NO. 1 spot therefore the goal was to go as far a possible.


When i saw him in the first round agains Hartfield, there was something wrong with his skin. It wasnt bright like usual and he is very skinny even my girlfriend-was watching with me- said "what's wrong with him,he sick?" And i told her that he sick just before the tournie began.

Forehander
01-28-2008, 10:57 AM
Um...I remember Federer almost tripped over a cart on his way back from the bathroom, but I can't remember what match it was from, blake or Berdych??

Dude... He was warming up running up the corridor into the stadium. The guy from the side pushing the cart friggin popped up from the side outta no where. It would have caught anybody off-guard. That didn't have anything to do with Federer and his illness. However I do believe the sickness did affect Federer. But you know how all the great champion goes lol, they have injuries and don't participate or don't win the tournament. In time people will say "if Federer didn't get sick he would have won even more grandslam etc".

HNCS
01-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Dude... He was warming up running up the corridor into the stadium. The guy from the side pushing the cart friggin popped up from the side outta no where. It would have caught anybody off-guard. That didn't have anything to do with Federer and his illness. However I do believe the sickness did affect Federer. But you know how all the great champion goes lol, they have injuries and don't participate or don't win the tournament. In time people will say "if Federer didn't get sick he would have won even more grandslam etc".

actually i think in time people will remember Djokovic as the winner of AO in 2008. no one will remember why he got there and how. and all the stories that suround it.

**

i posted these articles not to prove that he would have won the tournament or provide an excuse to his lose. i posted it to say that roger's not on the decline just yet and that his poor performance was due to illness not 'old age'. :shrug:

Commander Data
01-28-2008, 12:16 PM
It is not about excuses it is about information....The Haters are talking about excuse we talk about Rogers health and appareance independent from the Nole match. Even if he had won the AO i still would say that something about Federers play did seem different.

then the haters would say: why do you have to talk about that, he won!

I agree that some passiveness in his play already showed at US 2007.But his movement seemed better back then. In fact I was scared about Fed being too skinny already before the janko match. It is highly relevant for me if there is a "good" explanation for that or not. However if you are not a Fed Fan, I think it you shouldn't care about it at all.
Federer did not bring it up as an excuse, rather the opposite he said that he was healthy and Nole was simply the better player, so what is the Problem?!


i really do not see the problem of the Fed haters out there. he lost the damn match isn't that enough? If you are sooo sure that he was 100 % why do you even care? Nole shouln't have too much problems handling him in the future, then should he? Nole is only getting stronger Fed on the decline, so why don't you just relax?

Chiseller
01-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Dude... He was warming up running up the corridor into the stadium.

Nah, it must have been during the game. I remember that he hadn't any bags with him but a guy who controls players during toilet breaks. I just can't remember what game it was, ffs.

rofe
01-28-2008, 12:38 PM
Nah, it must have been during the game. I remember that he hadn't any bags with him but a guy who controls players during toilet breaks. I just can't remember what game it was, ffs.

Yeah I think it was after the 1st set v/s Blake.

bluefork
01-28-2008, 12:39 PM
Nah, it must have been during the game. I remember that he hadn't any bags with him but a guy who controls players during toilet breaks. I just can't remember what game it was, ffs.

It was during the Berdych match. Check this thread:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=116168&highlight=toni+federer+cart

dmit424
01-28-2008, 01:29 PM
I'm happy Djokovic won, but Federer looked like he was having a major hangover. My friend said he looked like a "frightened hare" but I really am pretty sure he was very ill. Didn't play his best game.

Deivid23
01-28-2008, 03:48 PM
So the guy beats the crap out of his two first rivals, endures a 5 sets thriller against Tipsarevic giving no signs of weakness in physical department, beats Berdych and Blake in straight sets and 20 days after that illness, it catches him up against Nole and it´s the reason of the defeat.

You´re truly a bunch of morons if u believe that, really :lol:

Action Jackson
01-28-2008, 03:49 PM
MTF has reached new lows.

Commander Data
01-28-2008, 04:04 PM
So the guy beats the crap out of his two first rivals, endures a 5 sets thriller against Tipsarevic giving no signs of weakness in physical department, beats Berdych and Blake in straight sets and 20 days after that illness, it catches him up against Nole and it´s the reason of the defeat.

You´re truly a bunch of morons if u believe that, really :lol:

So what is your opinion than? loosing 8 pounds of weight (yes that is right, the german articale says 3.7 Kilo = 8.15 pounds) has no impact on a top athlet? If you believe that you are a moron.

I don't think Federer looked all that great in the matches before. the first two really did not get very physical on him. The other matches he looked sub par.

Burrow
01-28-2008, 04:33 PM
Of course losing 8 pounds has an impact, it would on anybody.

chjossic
01-28-2008, 04:40 PM
Health is part of the game... ill or not, it does not take anything away from Djokovic's win.
It takes a freaking mental strength to win a Grand Slam.. he did it and that's the end of that story.
Well done on him and thanks to both Djoko and Tsonga for a great final...

bokehlicious
01-28-2008, 04:43 PM
So the guy beats the crap out of his two first rivals, endures a 5 sets thriller against Tipsarevic giving no signs of weakness in physical department, beats Berdych and Blake in straight sets and 20 days after that illness, it catches him up against Nole and it´s the reason of the defeat.

You´re truly a bunch of morons if u believe that, really :lol:

Keep it up hater :yeah: you'll soon see what kind of damage a hungry 100% fit Roger can do :devil: :hug:

DDrago2
01-28-2008, 04:46 PM
Health is part of the game...

Yeah, bad health kills you :tears:

I'm off until RG (I suppose), so good bye to you all

cardio
01-28-2008, 05:49 PM
here is video, 3.set, Federer holds his service game and is leading 2-1, but no optimism in his camp whatsoever. Mirka knew something...
http://ee.meie.tv/videos/Challenge_I_said.html?page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

Bibberz
01-28-2008, 06:24 PM
She knew Roger was down two sets. (She's a clever one, that Mirka.) How is she supposed to react in that scenario? Do you even remember her facial expression from the last time Roger was down two sets in a match? That was like four years ago....


here is video, 3.set, Federer holds his service game and is leading 2-1, but no optimism in his camp whatsoever. Mirka knew something...
http://ee.meie.tv/videos/Challenge_I_said.html?page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

cardio
01-28-2008, 06:57 PM
She knew Roger was down two sets. (She's a clever one, that Mirka.) How is she supposed to react in that scenario? Do you even remember her facial expression from the last time Roger was down two sets in a match? That was like four years ago....
She had same hopeless and resignated facial expression in 1.set too. Fans were cheering, Roger was serving for the set, but she remained indifferent and resignated. Perhaps she had just a bad day, who knows, but it was very strange...

Bibberz
01-28-2008, 07:08 PM
Maybe she had a bit of food poisoning? (No, this is not a fat joke.)

Seriously, though, she never looks that excited to me when Roger's winning. Roger's always winning. She looks indifferent quite often. I didn't notice any look of resignation during the first set, and I've seen the look before--normally it involves Rafa and clay.

She had same hopeless and resignated facial expression in 1.set too. Fans were cheering, Roger was serving for the set, but she remained indifferent and resignated. Perhaps she had just a bad day, who knows, but it was very strange...

cardio
01-28-2008, 07:27 PM
Maybe she had a bit of food poisoning? (No, this is not a fat joke.)

Seriously, though, she never looks that excited to me when Roger's winning. Roger's always winning. She looks indifferent quite often. I didn't notice any look of resignation during the first set, and I've seen the look before--normally it involves Rafa and clay.

Maybe you are right, I never pay too much attention to Mirka. And maybe I noticed this strange phenomenon only because Fed`s camp behavior was so different from Djokos camp .

Chiseller
01-28-2008, 08:35 PM
While watching the game I noticed the same, she looked so anxious. I can't say if that's here normal facial expression because I never paid much attention to that. Was a weird feeling though especially when you see Federer playing so poorly.

cardio
01-28-2008, 09:24 PM
Yes it is funny that I tried to recall how she looked like in RG finals and I cant remember anything. Maybe she is always like : I want to get out of here.I wonder , is Gucci shop still open?

Metis
01-28-2008, 09:52 PM
here is video, 3.set, Federer holds his service game and is leading 2-1, but no optimism in his camp whatsoever. Mirka knew something...
http://ee.meie.tv/videos/Challenge_I_said.html?page=1&viewtype=&category=mr


I think she knew much earlier than that. She stopped chewing her gum after the 1st set. Check it out :p.


Seriously people, is it so hard to accept that Federer cannot keep winning all non-clay slams every year? Pull yourselves together and enjoy the tennis... Mirka and Roger are probably having a luxurious vacation right now (not to mention the new millions making their way into his bank account while they are doing that :lol: ).

Federerhingis
01-28-2008, 11:05 PM
He certainly wasn't moving quite as well.

Mentally, he wasn't match fit, you could tell his preparation had been affected.

Although Djoko still would of had a good chance of beating him to be honest.

Exactly, Novak has in a way been the best hardcourt player the past 10 months, since Indian wells last year. He should have probably won some of those sets at the US OPEN if not the match. Nonetheless, Federer would have given a better account of himself had his preparations for the Aussie Open been as in the past and of course excluding the malady.

HNCS
01-28-2008, 11:55 PM
So the guy beats the crap out of his two first rivals, endures a 5 sets thriller against Tipsarevic giving no signs of weakness in physical department, beats Berdych and Blake in straight sets and 20 days after that illness, it catches him up against Nole and it´s the reason of the defeat.

You´re truly a bunch of morons if u believe that, really :lol:

For heaven's sake, how many times do we have to stress the fact that we are NOT making excuses for the loss against Novak.

we are trying to account for the poor performance overall in the tournament regardless if he won or not.

For what i can see, against berdych and blake he was already shanking balls, moving poorly etc.

People stop using a filter when reading words...

adee-gee
01-29-2008, 10:39 AM
here is video, 3.set, Federer holds his service game and is leading 2-1, but no optimism in his camp whatsoever. Mirka knew something...
http://ee.meie.tv/videos/Challenge_I_said.html?page=1&viewtype=&category=mr
A yes, conclusive proof that he was terribly ill and had no chance of winning as of course, Mirka is usually the epitomy of excitement while watching Federer matches.

njorker
01-29-2008, 10:51 AM
Who around here, does not pity Federer bcoz of his illness...raise your hand!

:bigwave: Aye! Aye! Aye! :devil: