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NYCtennisfan
01-26-2008, 10:33 PM
Time to move on. This event is over a month away. I really hope Fed works on some new tactics to employ against the new generation of players who will come out attacking him. He has the tools but needs to use them.

Sunset of Age
01-26-2008, 10:54 PM
Yeah, you're right - time to move on. We can't keep on being sad all the time, eh?

Feds will come back, I'm sure of it. :rocker2:

Blondie1985
01-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Can't wait to see him again!!

rofe
01-27-2008, 12:43 AM
Time for Fed to get that movement (especially FH movement) back on track in Dubai.

soraya
01-27-2008, 01:01 AM
I hope so, I am usually very positive but after the semi results I don't know what to think anymore.

FedFan_2007
01-27-2008, 01:31 AM
The upside to all this Australian tragedy is Fed will be ready to come out blasting March 3. It will be the return of TMF all year long every match.

didadida
01-27-2008, 08:25 AM
i hope he will get his form back espcially his bh

didadida
01-27-2008, 08:27 AM
anyone knows who will play in dubai?????????

t0x
01-27-2008, 10:48 AM
Hopefully he comes out moving well and playing the attacking tennis he's capible of!

Also, lets hope he's 100% prepared this time around. Clearly the illness didn't help Fed at the AO.

Rogieva
01-27-2008, 12:29 PM
Kick some ass and show to is boss. :armed:

Blondie1985
01-27-2008, 01:04 PM
anyone knows who will play in dubai?????????

1 Federer, Roger SUI 1
2 Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
3 Djokovic, Novak SRB 3
4 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
5 Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Roddick, Andy USA 6
7 Gasquet, Richard FRA 8
8 Murray, Andy GBR 9
9 Haas, Tommy GER 11
10 Robredo, Tommy ESP 12
11 Berdych, Tomas CZE 13
12 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 14
13 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 21
14 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 24
15 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 25
16 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 26
17 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 27
18 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 28
19 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 29
20 Almagro, Nicolas ESP 31
21 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 32
22 Simon, Gilles FRA 33
23 Andreev, Igor RUS 35
24 Santoro, Fabrice FRA 36
25 (SE)
26 (Q)
27 (Q)
28 (Q)
29 (Q)
30 (WC)
31 (WC)
32 (WC)

Alternates
1. Lopez, Feliciano ESP 37
2. Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 38
3. Monfils, Gael FRA 40
4. Mahut, Nicolas FRA 44
5. Seppi, Andreas ITA 48
6. Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 49
7. Berrer, Michael GER 54
8. Rochus, Olivier BEL 56
9. Cilic, Marin CRO 57
10. Safin, Marat RUS 58
11. Clement, Arnaud FRA 59
12. Bolelli, Simone ITA 70
13. Pavel, Andrei ROU 78
14. Hanescu, Victor ROU 79
15. Spadea, Vincent USA 80

SUKTUEN
01-27-2008, 01:35 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce::bounce:

didadida
01-27-2008, 02:17 PM
are you sure novak is going to play

SUKTUEN
01-27-2008, 02:27 PM
it is too early, it will start at March right?

soraya
01-27-2008, 11:30 PM
2. Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 38 (18)

I think he will be in

Billabong
01-28-2008, 12:37 AM
that's one strong field:eek:

SUKTUEN
01-28-2008, 12:59 AM
2. Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 38 (18)

I think he will be in

:eek::eek::eek: he may be play with Roger~~

Xristos
01-28-2008, 07:52 AM
anyone knows who will play in dubai?????????

I think all the top 5 are playing.

Daniel
01-28-2008, 08:02 AM
From the website:

2008 Men's Line Up


Player Name Nat. Rank
Roger Federer SUI 1
Rafael Nadal ESP 2
Novak Djokovic SRB 3
Nikolay Davydenko RUS 4
David Ferrer ESP 5
Andy Roddick USA 6
Richard Gasquet FRA 8
Andy Murray GBR 9
Tommy Haas GER 11
Tommy Robredo ESP 12
Tomas Berdych CZE 13
Mikhail Youzhny RUS 14
Juan Carlos Ferrero ESP 21
Ivo Karlovic CRO 24
Paul-Henri Mathieu FRA 25
Jarkko Nieminen FIN 26
Philipp Kohlschreiber GER 27
Fernando Verdasco ESP 28
Stanislas Wawrinka SUI 29
Nicolas Almagro ESP 31
Dmitry Tursunov RUS 32
Gilles Simon FRA 33
Igor Andreev RUS 35
Fabrice Santoro FRA 36
* Men's ranks as of Jan, 14, 2008

Good luck Roger :clap2: :D

BlueSwan
01-28-2008, 08:53 AM
Ridiculously strong line-up.

Anyway, I'm not sure I see the point in taking more than a month off right now. Why not play one of the february optionals and rack up a few more points?

Infact, I'd rather have him play two february tournaments and then skip Dubai. March looks too busy with him playing Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami AND the Sampras exhibition. Then there's the busy clay court season right after that.

juninhOH
01-28-2008, 10:20 AM
I hope so, I am usually very positive but after the semi results I don't know what to think anymore.


haha don't worry. Federer is good enough to not be dominated by anyone, so don't think everytime he meets Djokovic he will go out as the loser :) EVEN if he plays like in the semis, not to talk about when he is well ;)

dragons112
01-28-2008, 10:23 AM
HE came out firing at the aus. and lost. He needs a coach people we need to accept that nadal and djokovic are geared for him. They kknow how to play him. Roger cant be classy now he needs to be aggresive.

Brad Gilbert is the key

nobama
01-28-2008, 11:28 AM
Ridiculously strong line-up.

Anyway, I'm not sure I see the point in taking more than a month off right now. Why not play one of the february optionals and rack up a few more points?

Infact, I'd rather have him play two february tournaments and then skip Dubai. March looks too busy with him playing Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami AND the Sampras exhibition. Then there's the busy clay court season right after that.Considering the field this year there's no way Roger would skip Dubai, especially when he probably considers it his "home" tournament now that he has a flat there and trains there.

Djokovic is on the entry list for Marseille, Rotterdam and Dubai. Nadal is scheduled to play Rotterdam and Dubai. I'm a bit surprised Nadal added a hard court event to his schedule when last year Toni Nadal was complaining about too many events on hard and there were even rumors that Nadal would be playing some clay court events in South America.

Minnie
01-28-2008, 01:10 PM
I'm glad he's not playing until Dubai ... if, as reported, his illnes was worse that he originally let on, his body needs time to recuperate before beginning his next training regime. Hang the points - I want Roger to be at his best for Dubai.

Or Levy
01-28-2008, 01:38 PM
He won't give up a tournament where all the field showed up, practicallly a second home AND he's defending champion.

Should be exciting stuff, and a great time for Roger to shush the nay-sayers earlier rather than later.

MissMoJo
01-28-2008, 01:57 PM
HE came out firing at the aus. and lost.
Actually, he came out on the heels of an illness, with almost 2 months of no match play, a new surface to get immediately acclimated to and managed to get to the semis despite all this.

....he needs to be aggresive.
This is true.
He has a good while before Dubai to reassess his game. I hope he starts playing a more proactive style again.

SUKTUEN
01-28-2008, 02:35 PM
Roger will play this, he love this tour so much~~

Rogieva
01-28-2008, 04:04 PM
yes roger loves dubai and will win!!

ExpectedWinner
01-28-2008, 04:46 PM
Ridiculously strong line-up.

Anyway, I'm not sure I see the point in taking more than a month off right now. Why not play one of the february optionals and rack up a few more points?



Yes, it's a TMS line up for a MM tournament. Some of them will grab their appearance money, tank (pardon, not play their best) early, and go to US.

When Fed was young, he liked to play in Feb. Now it's a resting month before a busy spring/summer. The days when Fed cared about points are gone. It became obvious last year.

rofe
01-28-2008, 04:53 PM
In 2005, when he lost in the SF of the AO, he added Rotterdam to the list to make sure that he was ahead in race points. This year, he hasn't done that but that could be due to the fact that the illness was worse than was let out. He most probably had a relapse so he will need some time just to recuperate from that illness.

Maybe he considers Dubai another home tournament and desperately wants to be 100% fit for it.

stebs
01-28-2008, 09:33 PM
This field is as strong an optional field as will be seen this year. Should be a great tournament.

juninhOH
01-28-2008, 10:37 PM
that was in 2005.

In 2007 he pulled out of tourneys to avoid stress, tourneys like Halle and Tokyo, that meant 500 points for him. Federer is definitely not desperated about his #1 situation. He knows he will get it back no matter what at the US masters.

Allure
01-29-2008, 05:34 AM
Gasquet and Federer. :D

Blondie1985
01-29-2008, 01:22 PM
yes, he will win!

SUKTUEN
01-29-2008, 02:12 PM
Gasquet and Federer. :D

I Love to watch they play~~~:devil:

Eden
02-24-2008, 02:10 PM
Actually, he came out on the heels of an illness, with almost 2 months of no match play, a new surface to get immediately acclimated to and managed to get to the semis despite all this.


It must be the disadvantage when your name is Roger Federer and you lose to the no. 3 player in the SF of a GS that some people already declare your career is over.

I'm sure Roger is working hard now to prepare for Dubai :) Despite their latest performances I'm sure that both Nadal and Djokovic will be 100% ready and motivated for the tournament which has a very strong players field. Judging the current performances of the players on the tour there will be some dangerous outsiders in the tournament. The draw this time will be really interesting.

SUKTUEN
02-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Can't wait to watch Roger to play~

Sunset of Age
02-24-2008, 02:41 PM
It must be the disadvantage when your name is Roger Federer and you lose to the no. 3 player in the SF of a GS that some people already declare your career is over.


I'm seeing too many posts like that lately... :(

nobama
02-24-2008, 11:47 PM
I'm sure Roger is working hard now to prepare for Dubai :) Didn't you know that's not the PC thing to say around here. ;)

nobama
02-24-2008, 11:48 PM
I'm seeing too many posts like that lately... :(I can only imagine what they'll be like if he doesn't win Dubai. :tape:

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 12:42 AM
Didn't you know that's not the PC thing to say around here. ;)

;) - I fully agree with Doris.
As if Roger himself doesn't know what's best for him, and I'm pretty sure that he dearly wants to break those records (and that includes keeping his #1 position secured as long as possible). So yes, I trust him to be working very hard to be in top form when Dubai starts off.

I can only imagine what they'll be like if he doesn't win Dubai. :tape:

:help: :speakles: :tape: :lol:...

SUKTUEN
02-25-2008, 12:56 AM
this year I also will buy DVDs of this tour~~

JediFed
02-25-2008, 02:55 AM
It's an important tournament. It would be great to see him in Ninja Fed mode. I don't care if he loses, I just want to see him play the way he can.

SUKTUEN
02-25-2008, 01:55 PM
I miss his match very much!:sad:

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 01:59 PM
It's an important tournament. It would be great to see him in Ninja Fed mode. I don't care if he loses, I just want to see him play the way he can.

Well... yes indeed. I watched the match against Ivanisevic from 2000 (links posted by Ellessar in the 'Funny Pictures' thread in GM), and was quite in awe of the beautiful game he had then. Would really love to see something of THAT coming back to his game of today.

Ah, who cares. As long as he tries and does his best, I'm okay with it all. No 'Cañas' or 'Volandri'-performances please Rogi.

anon57
02-25-2008, 05:08 PM
I can't wait to finally see him play again, it feels like it's been forever. I hope he's been working on getting some attacking tennis back into his game but guess we'll just have to wait and see

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 05:19 PM
A question: is the Dubai HC fast or slow? I've always believed it to be relatively fast, but now I've seen someone posting elsewhere that it's slow... might well be wishful thinking by that poster, but does anyone here know?

nobama
02-25-2008, 05:29 PM
A question: is the Dubai HC fast or slow? I've always believed it to be relatively fast, but now I've seen someone posting elsewhere that it's slow... might well be wishful thinking by that poster, but does anyone here know?When Roger was interviewed after beating Nadal at TMC in 2006 he said that Nadal had beaten him in Dubai which was faster than Shanghai.

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 05:37 PM
When Roger was interviewed after beating Nadal at TMC in 2006 he said that Nadal had beaten him in Dubai which was faster than Shanghai.

That's what I remembered as well. Ah, I guess this idea of Dubai being slow is just wishful thinking by some people... thanks Mellow!

RogerFan82
02-25-2008, 05:49 PM
8 more days before the king is back on court!!!:banana::rocker:

Eden
02-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Didn't you know that's not the PC thing to say around here. ;)

Everyone has the right for his own opinion and the different views make a discussion in a forum interesting. When someone believes Rogers training schedule is wrong he/she is of course entitled to have this impression. I just think it's premature to criticize him for this yet. Roger has proven year by year that he knows what is best for him and his body. I just trust him that he is experienced enough to arrange his preparation for the upcoming tournaments as best as possible for him. When I remember right he was the one in the last years who had the best constancy through the whole season.
Would I have loved to see him playing between the Australian Open and Dubai? Of course, same as everytime when he doesn't play a tournament.
If he would be the "money whore" as unfortunately even some of his supporters see in him he would have surely added another tournament. It's not the first time Roger doesn't play between Melbourne and Dubai and therefore I don't understand all the critics on his schedule right now.

RogiFan88
02-25-2008, 08:07 PM
I don't understand why Rogi's fans w criticise him for not practising before last week... how do any of us know what the real situation is? Perhaps he needed extra time to fully recuperate... I do not underestimate his stomach illness. Isn't it better that he return to the tour, which will be as gruelling and loaded as ever this year, 100% healthy and fit, than to start training too early, only to suffer some sort of setback?

The fact that Rogi got sick in the first place says that his body cannot be pushed constantly and to the limit.

Rogi will have enough of the usual pressure, as well as the added pressure that this is an olympic year -- yet another goal to pursue. He has said that when he doesn't win the first slam of the year, it only adds pressure on him for the remaining slams... perhaps just once, Rogi can win the "other" slam... playing Estoril will just provide him w some sort of warmup to the RG "warmup" TMS, MC... he doesn't have to win Estoril, just get into some kind of clay rhythm that a player needs in order to get on a roll for RG.

Sunset of Age
02-25-2008, 08:15 PM
Thanks Eden and RogiFan88 - yes, I completely share your opinions. Why not just wait for Dubai and see how Rogi will do there before unleashing all the criticism?

I'm sure he knows pretty well how to prepare for tournaments best (his results are clear proof of that, no? ;)) - so let's just keep the faith that he will indeed do well.
That doesn't mean that if he doesn't manage to win that equals a 'bad result' to me.

As I've said before - Rogi's fans (and that includes me, though I know there are still people around over here questioning that :p) have become spoilt the past four years, and we must accept the fact that at a certain moment in time it won't be as easy for him to get the same results as he did in the past... but that doesn't mean we should immediately start criticizing him about 'lack of training' etc.
Just my humble opinion...

RogiFan88
02-25-2008, 08:36 PM
:wavey: Claybuzza!

I don't see it as we Rogi fans being so much spoiled by his incredible run of wins and titles and awards and accolades, but more that many of his fans cannot possibly conceive of Rogi EVER losing... it happens, it has happened, it will happen... just as it does w other great champions, even Sampras... ahem... :lol:

As for Pete, I say, you've had your day... your years... your records... you still do acc to most... so let it go... if you're going to play an "exo", treat it as one, not as some slam final... it's for fun, for the fans of tennis... I'm getting a little tired of all this Sampras "pseudo-comeback"... get on w your life w your family... too bad Safin couldn't do the San Jose exo... why doesn't Pete do one w Hewitt, the other young guy who shocked him at the USO... or w TFA on clay? Pete can S&V his way to victory over the new Clay Ogre...

ExpectedWinner
02-25-2008, 08:37 PM
Perhaps he needed extra time to fully recuperate... I do not underestimate his stomach illness.

I thought it goes without saying: if he doesn't practice for medical reasons, then he's excused. It's a tough world out there: nobody wants to hear excuses linked to that rat poisoning episode. Injured/sick players should withdraw. If they don't, they are considered healthy.

Rogieva
02-25-2008, 08:42 PM
it feels so long since roger last played! i wish him all the best and he can become once again king of dubai :cool:

SUKTUEN
02-26-2008, 01:41 AM
8 more days before the king is back on court!!!:banana::rocker:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!~!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce :

stebs
02-26-2008, 05:59 PM
I would love to see snap in his shots again. It has been missing so far this year. His control looked quite good at the AO though even if it didn't bring him the title.

Rommella
02-26-2008, 11:25 PM
Jesse Levine, Kei Nishikori, Ricardas Berankis, etc. and now comes Michael McClune.

http://www.eaglefustar.com/blog.html?pg=1&cnt=5&t=a

...snip

When we arrived at the Medinat Jumeirah tennis courts at 2:50pm for our 3:00pm hit, I was surprised to see Roger dressed in street clothes. I'm assuming he just got done with a meeting with his agent, whom I was introduced to right then. Roger changed pretty quickly and the first ball was struck at 3:15. With Fed's agent watching casually from the side, Michael and Roger engaged in a solid 2.5 hour hit where Roger turned it up a level.

The boys drilled for around two hours before finishing up with a tiebreak style 15 pointer. During the drilling, they did a drill that I'm falling in love with here. Here is the drill:

Michael is in the backhand corner with Roger at the net. It's a game to 11 where Roger has to hit it to Michael's backhand corner and Michael has to hit only backhand slices. Basically, he's trying to pass Roger with his slice backhand, which is no easy task. It really forces the slicer to be creative, use angles, lobs, and hit firm slices in order to win points. Before the game started Roger jokingly announced "a slice winner is worth 100 points". Then he said he was kidding and announced that a slice winner was actually worth 3 points, but "that's just a tease since its not going to happen". Michael really played a good game and used his touch angle in combination with the firm down the line slices. He also used a few lobs to mix it up. With Michael up 10-9, he angled Roger with several low angles cross court, and then struck like a cobra with one of the firmest, tailing away, down the line slices that I've ever seen. Outside of the line winner. Ball game. Roger gave out a quick shrug and a smile and the guys took a break.

To conclude the hit, the guys played a quick tiebreaker format game to 15. Roger stepped it up a bit and Michael was quickly down 10-3. Fed was stepping into the court, serve-volleying, and really put up an impressive display. If Michael hung anything in the middle or remotely short, the point was over in a hurry. 15-8 Fed, with a few courtesy points for Michael at the end.

nobama
02-26-2008, 11:53 PM
Jesse Levine, Kei Nishikori, Ricardas Berankis, etc. and now comes Michael McClune.

http://www.eaglefustar.com/blog.html?pg=1&cnt=5&t=a
Thanks for sharing. I love hearing about Roger's practice sessions. And how lucky is this kid. :)

NYCtennisfan
02-27-2008, 01:19 AM
I would love to see snap in his shots again. It has been missing so far this year. His control looked quite good at the AO though even if it didn't bring him the title.

The only time I saw some snap in his shots this year was in the first few games vs. Tipsy. He was slamming the FH with great power and control. I'm hoping that after being fully recovered from illness and after some of the muscle is added back, we'll see that snap.

Rommella
02-27-2008, 08:33 AM
Thanks for sharing. I love hearing about Roger's practice sessions. And how lucky is this kid. :)

Roger's very unselfish. He somehow sees to it that these kids take something from him in terms of tennis knowledge. That is one very secure champion.

Xristos
02-27-2008, 01:27 PM
All the best Rog!

SUKTUEN
02-27-2008, 02:42 PM
I want to watch Roger's tennis!!!!!
Roger!!! Come out!!

nobama
02-27-2008, 05:38 PM
I see Michael McClune was given a wildcard into the qualies of Dubai and Roger was the one to break the news to him. :)

Rogieva
02-27-2008, 07:52 PM
when is the draw coming out?

SUKTUEN
02-28-2008, 01:52 AM
may be Sat?:confused:

rofe
02-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Hmm...I thought the draw would be announced today.

Xristos
03-01-2008, 05:46 AM
I see Michael McClune was given a wildcard into the qualies of Dubai and Roger was the one to break the news to him. :)

Who is Michael McClune?

nobama
03-01-2008, 10:41 AM
McClune lost in qualifying 6-4 0-6 6-7. Nice recovery after losing a set 0-6. Good experience for him though...especially practicing with Roger for two weeks.

l_mac
03-01-2008, 11:45 AM
According to this http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/189232,federer-to-face-murray-in-dubai-opening-round.html Roger will play Murray first round :fiery: Hope it is wrong.

elessar
03-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Don't worry Linda, considering how crappy Roger's gonna play after a month off I'm more worried for him than for Murray

l_mac
03-01-2008, 11:51 AM
Don't worry Linda, considering how crappy Roger's gonna play after a month off I'm more worried for him than for Murray

Well, whatever :sad: I'd rather not see either of them out 1st round (though obviously I like Murray a lot more) so I'm hoping that info is wrong. Maybe that's what happened in the practise draw.

yanchr
03-01-2008, 12:29 PM
Don't worry Linda, considering how crappy Roger's gonna play after a month off I'm more worried for him than for Murray
Exactly.

Roger's luck in the draw...oh well :rolleyes:

I'm so eager to see what Roger he decides to show in Dubai. Come on!

Xristos
03-01-2008, 12:38 PM
Bad draw.

Hopefully he will have a good match with Verdasco.

Eden
03-01-2008, 12:40 PM
The draw:

Roger Federer (1) v Andy Murray
Rainer Schuettler v Fernando Verdasco
Stanislas Wawrinka v Qualifier
Mohammad Ghareeb (wc) v Nikolay Davydenko (5)

David Ferrer (4) v Tommy Haas
Jarkko Nieminen v Olivier Rochus
Janko Tipsarevic v Feliciano Lopez
Gael Monfils v Thomas Berdych (8 )

Richard Gasquet (7) v Dimitry Tursonov
Qualifier v Igor Andreev
Mikhael Youzhny v Fabrice Santoro
Marin Cilic v Novak Djokovic (3)

Andy Roddick (6) v Juan-Carlos Ferrero
Qualifier v Paul-Henri Mathieu
Nader Mahmood (wc) v Qualifier
Philipp Kohlschreiber v Rafael Nadal (2)

elessar
03-01-2008, 12:42 PM
Exactly.

Roger's luck in the draw...oh well :rolleyes:

I'm so eager to see what Roger he decides to show in Dubai. Come on!

The only good thing is that, if Roger wins his opening match, he's a lock for the final

Sunset of Age
03-01-2008, 12:48 PM
It's quite simple: if you deserve to win a title, you'll have to win all your matches, regardless of the draw. I'm sure Roger has been doing his homework lately and it's not like Muzza has ever meant 'big trouble' for him... :shrug:

So no 'Doom-and-Gloom' from me.

yanchr
03-01-2008, 12:50 PM
The only good thing is that, if Roger wins his opening match, he's a lock for the final
Yeah, I would think so too, but still have to see how he will be playing. I just hope I can see some good stuff from him again. It's been a long time...I missed it.

Eden
03-01-2008, 12:55 PM
Maybe it's a good thing for Roger that he has to play against a strong player as Murray in the first round. He knows that he has to be 100% ready from the beginning.

A Federer-Murray match should be interesting. It's been some time since they last played against each other. Though I would prefer it that they would meet later in the tournament ;)

anon57
03-01-2008, 01:23 PM
Not exactly an easy match to begin with but seeing the stacked entry list in Dubai there weren't many easy opponents anyways. But as ClayBuzza said if he wants to win the title he needs to win all of his matches. So hopefully he's been training hard in Dubai and is ready to go.

SUKTUEN
03-01-2008, 01:56 PM
Roger VS Murray !!!!!!:devil::devil:

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Roger!:fiery::fiery:
Roddick Also Come On!:bounce:

ExpectedWinner
03-01-2008, 02:50 PM
It's quite simple: if you deserve to win a title, you'll have to win all your matches, regardless of the draw. I'm sure Roger has been doing his homework lately and it's not like Muzza has ever meant 'big trouble' for him... :shrug:

So no 'Doom-and-Gloom' from me.


:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

rofe
03-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Muzza is a dangerous matchup for Roger. Not good at all after a one month layoff.

Or Levy
03-01-2008, 03:04 PM
Murray wouldn't concern me much in the Q, for a first round I'm less than thrilled.

But his form hasn't been fantastic either lately, we'll see.

nobama
03-01-2008, 03:46 PM
Of all the R1 opponents he could have gotten and he get's Andy Murray. :haha:

t0x
03-01-2008, 04:38 PM
Ouch!

Murray's the sort of guy that can trouble Roger, especially early on in tournaments! Roger needs to play his best tennis to dispatch Murray and doing it in a first round won't be easy...

Rogieva
03-01-2008, 05:00 PM
Oh my. The first thing I looked at and noticed at the draw it Djoko and Rafa aren't in his half. As I read down the list I saw what everyone was talking about. Murray 1r :bolt:

Rogieva
03-01-2008, 05:02 PM
The last time Murray won a tournament, he went out in his next tournament 1r.

looks like the pattern will continue!

JediFed
03-01-2008, 05:04 PM
Absolutely terrible draw.

I can't believe his first match will likely be his most difficult match unless Djokovic survives on the other side.

Murray is the WORST first round opponent he could have gotten.

Oh well, at least Nadal FINALLY gets in the same quarter as Roddick.

Skyward
03-01-2008, 05:14 PM
Oh well, at least Nadal FINALLY gets in the same quarter as Roddick.

:zzz: Nadal will beat Roddick.

Skyward
03-01-2008, 05:16 PM
The last time Murray won a tournament, he went out in his next tournament 1r.

looks like the pattern will continue!

Didn't he lose in the 1st round in Rotterdam? Will he lose two first rounds in a row?

nobama
03-01-2008, 05:36 PM
Oh well, at least Nadal FINALLY gets in the same quarter as Roddick.Did you see their match at IW last year?

JediFed
03-01-2008, 06:05 PM
Nope, but in their long years they have only played each other twice on hard and once on clay in DC.

It's about time we saw another Roddick-Nadal match.

JediFed
03-01-2008, 06:07 PM
It looks like since the modern ranking system was introduced, that Federer just got the worst opening round draw of any number 1 ever. The next worst was Lendl who drew number 13 in the Tokyo Indoor in 1985.

ExpectedWinner
03-01-2008, 06:19 PM
Murray is the top 5 player on hc and a tricky macth up for Fed. Well, in the worst case scenario there is a lot of time to prepare for the match with Pete.

NYCtennisfan
03-01-2008, 07:00 PM
Murray is the top 5 player on hc and a tricky macth up for Fed. Well, in the worst case scenario there is a lot of time to prepare for the match with Pete.

:lol: A win will be good here. Murray will be in the top 5 soon. I see that Nadal has got another tough and tricky draw. This is probably the hardest tournament in the world to get an easy draw since the draw size is small and everyone is playing yet it happened again.

NYCtennisfan
03-01-2008, 07:02 PM
Murray is the worst possible player Federer could've gotten. If Murray is serving a decent % i.e. over 55%, it will take Fed playing his best attacking tennis to win.

Rommella
03-01-2008, 07:51 PM
Murray is the worst possible player Federer could've gotten. If Murray is serving a decent % i.e. over 55%, it will take Fed playing his best attacking tennis to win.

Agree. The Murray serve, notwithstanding its erratic nature (epecially the 1st serve), is the best among the young ones, imo -- power, placement and pace combination.

Would have wanted a more 'benign' match-up for a first round. That said, you play with what the draw gives you.

ExpectedWinner
03-01-2008, 08:24 PM
Agree. The Murray serve, notwithstanding its erratic nature (epecially the 1st serve), is the best among the young ones, imo -- power, placement and pace combination.

That said, you play with what the draw gives you.

Also, Murray is very good at returning and point construction.

That being said, you play with what uncle Toni gives you.

Rogieva
03-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Didn't he lose in the 1st round in Rotterdam? Will he lose two first rounds in a row?

yes :angel:

Skyward
03-01-2008, 09:54 PM
Visit Nadal's forum. They did a lot of copy and pasting. How nice to discuss posters behind their backs. http://bestsmileys.com/puking/3.gif

elessar
03-01-2008, 10:02 PM
Visit Nadal's forum. They did a lot of copy and pasting. How nice to discuss posters behind their backs. http://bestsmileys.com/puking/3.gif

That's just Linda, a trully vile Rafatards who'll stoop at nothing :(

JediFed
03-01-2008, 10:06 PM
Well that's classy.

We don't post all of their hysterics over Rafa here, what's the point?

If it makes them feel better about themselves, let them go ahead and do it.

And the Rafa fans are certainly welcome to cut and paste this :D

PamV
03-01-2008, 11:30 PM
Does anyone know of a video stream for watching Dubai? Sorry I don't have time to scroll through every page to find out if it was already mentioned.

Thanks !

Xristos
03-01-2008, 11:32 PM
Murray does not scare me or King Fed.

elessar
03-01-2008, 11:33 PM
There will, most likely, be one on the eurosport website or on the channelsurfing one

MrChopin
03-02-2008, 02:07 AM
Visit Nadal's forum. They did a lot of copy and pasting. How nice to discuss posters behind their backs. http://bestsmileys.com/puking/3.gif

Hilarious! The first half of that thread is a bitch session mixing complaints over Rafa's poor hardcourt play and worse scheduling, complete with the "SA clay swing! SA clay swing!" Some time around the desperate "Can Nadal still get #1?" posts and the obligatory "Not since Rotterdam and not before Wimbledon." replies, it switches gears and focuses on Fed and his fans. :lol:

***

As for the Fed-Murray match, it's rotten luck for both. Murray has had a pretty successful start to the year. It was quite unfortunate to draw Tsonga in the first round of the Australian, and now he gets Fed in the first round of Dubai. For Fed, no other possible R1 match up is more questionable, though it couldn't be a better test/indication of what adjustments he's made now feeling better and having lost to Djokovic.

anon57
03-02-2008, 11:46 AM
Order of play (http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/1/posting/2008/495/op.pdf) for monday is out. Roger is first up during the evening session, not before 7.00pm.

PamV
03-02-2008, 12:37 PM
Murray does not scare me or King Fed.


That's good to know. I see that Murray has partnered with Wawrinka in doubles. That's kind of strange. I hope Wawrinka doesn't give away any Swiss secrets.

Xristos
03-02-2008, 01:11 PM
^You being sarcastic there?

SUKTUEN
03-02-2008, 01:28 PM
:zzz: Nadal will beat Roddick.

GO Roddick!!!!!!!!!!:fiery::fiery::fiery:

GO Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Sunset of Age
03-02-2008, 02:07 PM
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

I'm glad I gave you such a nice time laughing - but I actually meant what I said. Or do people still think Roger gave his best at Cincinnatti 2006? Well I don't.

It's like I said, doesn't matter when you run into a tough opponent (though I daresay that in this tournament, with the exception of the WC clowns players, there are only tough opponents around!) you'll have to beat everyone. As Eden said, it might even be an advantage for Roger to have to play Andy in the first round here, as he'll have to be fired up right from the start. Besides that, if he manages to beat Andy, he's already ' halfway there'. :angel:

Or Levy
03-02-2008, 02:10 PM
That's good to know. I see that Murray has partnered with Wawrinka in doubles. That's kind of strange. I hope Wawrinka doesn't give away any Swiss secrets.

They most likely agreed to partner up before the draw came out, and apperantly everyone in Dubai are playing doubles, Roger and Djoko excluded (which is probably why they aren't playing doubles... :D)

stebs
03-02-2008, 02:10 PM
Murray
Verdasco
Davydenko
Ferrer
Djokovic

Pretty tough draw, tougher than you'd usually get in an AMS event. Oh well, if Roger plays well he is the best in the world and he can win.

ExpectedWinner
03-02-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm glad I gave you such a nice time laughing - but I actually meant what I said. Or do people still think Roger gave his best at Cincinnatti 2006? Well I don't.




That's what makes it funny.

Well, I've watched some tennis since 2006. All things considered, it's 50-50 to me.
The win would be good for his confidence; the loss will make him think about his game.
I wish he'd would come out in his "serial killer" mode, but it's rare these days, it's difficult to do against Murray, and it's probably to much to ask after a break.

Here's a comprehensive post about Murray's game made by NYCtennisfan a few month ago. I think it's an interesting read.

I do think, though, that Murray has the tools to beat Federer and/or give him a hell of a time. When I first saw Murray's game, I didn't think he had anything to hurt Fed with, but then came to realize he does have the tools.

1) He has returned Fed's serve very well in both matches they have played. He punished the 2nd serve and can get a lot of Fed's 1st's back. Now, Fed didn't have much on his serve in that Cincy match, but I still think Murray can be successful here. Forcing Fed to rally even off of his 1st serve frustrates him slightly. This is what Nadal did at Wimby where he looped back returns and since Fed didn't come to net which would've allowed him to put way easy volleys, rallies started on Fed's 1st serve. I think Murray can do a lot of the same thing.

2) Murray plays very well CC BH to CC BH. This exchange is what gave Federer troubles against Agassi for a long time. Murray can then pull the trigger DTL or run Federer to his Fh side with the acute angle CC fh. Obvioulsy Feds has improved his Bh and tactics to escape being pinned to the BH, but Murray is very comfortable playing that game.

3) Murray can finish points at the net. He has a good volley and net game after he hits a penetrating shot. This puts some extra pressure on Fed that he is not used to from most opponents.

4) True, Murray is not the typical defensive player that can get all the balls back, but he has a very good reach due to his long arms and he gets to balls with enough time to put something on the, especially the BH CC.

5) His 1st serve s getting better and better and when he DOES get it in, he can control the points.

5.5) He doesn't rely on his 1st serve being on. He can serve at 40% and feel comfortable about winning like he did in Cincy when he didn't serve all that well like usual.

Blondie1985
03-02-2008, 05:25 PM
Good luck roger!!!!!!! u r the BEST!!!:worship:

Minnie
03-02-2008, 05:34 PM
Hmmm ... that post by NYC about Murray's game is exactly what I'm more than a little apprehensive about this 1st round. I saw their first match in Bangkok back in 2005 when Murray reached (I think) his first ATP final and thought he gave a fairly good account of himself against Fed, in spite of being a "greenhorn" on the tour at that time. Jock Boy will have nothing to lose so I expect him to come out pretty determined. It all depends how long he stays that way and how Fed responds .. could be v close ... and should the unthinkable happen, I will not be opening a Brit newspaper/switching on the TV for at least 2 weeks ....

nobama
03-02-2008, 05:44 PM
It's like I said, doesn't matter when you run into a tough opponent (though I daresay that in this tournament, with the exception of the WC clowns players, there are only tough opponents around!) you'll have to beat everyone. As Eden said, it might even be an advantage for Roger to have to play Andy in the first round here, as he'll have to be fired up right from the start. Besides that, if he manages to beat Andy, he's already ' halfway there'. :angel:It all depends which Roger shows up tomorrow night. Hopefully not the one who will let Murray junk ball him to death.

Or Levy
03-02-2008, 05:58 PM
Yes, Roger needs to be agressive. I'm quite excited about this match, I've been looking forward to it for a long time... I so wish it wasn't in the first round though.

Mechlan
03-02-2008, 06:12 PM
It all depends which Roger shows up tomorrow night. Hopefully not the one who will let Murray junk ball him to death.

I hope the Murray who junk balls people to death doesn't show up either. Murray's problem is not so much his game as his mentality right now. So if he shows up ready to play, it'll be a tough match.

Sunset of Age
03-02-2008, 09:00 PM
That's what makes it funny.

Well, I've watched some tennis since 2006. All things considered, it's 50-50 to me.
The win would be good for his confidence; the loss will make him think about his game.
I wish he'd would come out in his "serial killer" mode, but it's rare these days, it's difficult to do against Murray, and it's probably to much to ask after a break.

Here's a comprehensive post about Murray's game made by NYCtennisfan a few month ago. I think it's an interesting read.

Thanks a lot. An interesting read indeed. And I agree with your points, only I would give it a 60-40 chance. ;)

It all depends which Roger shows up tomorrow night. Hopefully not the one who will let Murray junk ball him to death.

That's the whole thing in a nutshell. And if Roger indeed allows Muzza to junkball him to death... in that case I'll indeed tend to agree with people saying Roger's game is in decline. :eek:

rofe
03-03-2008, 01:18 AM
Good luck to Rog. He is going to need it.

Xristos
03-03-2008, 02:46 AM
^I disagree.

lunahielo
03-03-2008, 02:59 AM
OK stupid Luna needs help, please!:eek:

What time (USA time) will Roger play tomorrow?
What live streams are the best? (I get nothing on TV):(

I have a holiday tomorrow and want to spend it watching Roger on court!

Please help.
Thanks. :hug:
luna

SUKTUEN
03-03-2008, 07:10 AM
Roger play in 11pm in HK tiime~~
Go Roger!!!

Xristos
03-03-2008, 07:53 AM
How many more hiurs until Rog goes on court?

anon57
03-03-2008, 08:10 AM
How many more hiurs until Rog goes on court?
Roger goed on court in about 6 hrs. I always find this link (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=776)handy to check the time in Dubai and other places where tournaments are held, since it's pretty confusing to keep track of all the timezones.

Xristos
03-03-2008, 08:28 AM
Thank you!

elessar
03-03-2008, 08:36 AM
Come on Roger ! I don't want to have to wait another month before I see you again

Xristos
03-03-2008, 09:09 AM
Umm IW starts next week.

elessar
03-03-2008, 10:27 AM
Damn I forgot they had moved Dubai... Still if Roger loses today we won't see him back on court for a couple of weeks

fedsfan1
03-03-2008, 11:31 AM
OK stupid Luna needs help, please!:eek:

What time (USA time) will Roger play tomorrow?
What live streams are the best? (I get nothing on TV):(

I have a holiday tomorrow and want to spend it watching Roger on court!

Please help.
Thanks. :hug:
luna


Hi Luna,:wavey:

Its starts not before 7pm Dubai time which is 10am EST (nyc).

I am watching the livestream from eurosport....very good quality. Hardly any buffering. I am watching Ferrer-Haas now. Haas getting crushed by Dahveed.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/

GO ROGER!!!!

cheers
laura :cool:

nobama
03-03-2008, 11:33 AM
C'mon Roger. Kick some butt out there tonight. :rocker2:

Daniel
03-03-2008, 11:35 AM
Good luck Roger :D

Rogieva
03-03-2008, 12:25 PM
good luck roger!

i think his match is at 3PM here and I finish college at 4:15 so i will have to run home to see him!

Xristos
03-03-2008, 12:35 PM
How long until his match starts?

didadida
03-03-2008, 12:36 PM
he will play at 4 pm in my country time in GENEVA
good luck rogiii

lunahielo
03-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Hi Luna,:wavey:

Its starts not before 7pm Dubai time which is 10am EST (nyc).

I am watching the livestream from eurosport....very good quality. Hardly any buffering. I am watching Ferrer-Haas now. Haas getting crushed by Dahveed.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/

GO ROGER!!!!

cheers
laura :cool:

Thanks so much, laura :hug:
luna

SUKTUEN
03-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Roger start to play!!!!!!!!

Come On Roger!:D

anon57
03-03-2008, 02:13 PM
Out on court, Federer to serve

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:20 PM
roger is serving good
allez rogii

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:24 PM
2 all

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:35 PM
i think it is going to the tie breaker
murray is serving great

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:54 PM
minnie tirbreak for murray

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:54 PM
5-2 murray

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 02:55 PM
I don't think Fed could have played this set any better.

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
minnie break for roger 5 all

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
i think he is playing really good

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 02:57 PM
i think he is playing really goodIndeed.

That Murray keeps up with him says a lot about the Scot.

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:58 PM
first set rogiiiiii 7-6

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 02:59 PM
What a set of tennis!

didadida
03-03-2008, 02:59 PM
he is more concentrated and more agressive but i think he needs to attack the 2nd serve

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:01 PM
What a set of tennis!

yep very entertaining

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:04 PM
The forehand is lethal, like in the good old days! :D

Backhand is shaky, but I'd take big serve&forehand over steady hitting off both sides any day.

anon57
03-03-2008, 03:05 PM
For his first match since the AO Roger's playing very well. Murray's just playing and serving very well also so it's a very close match. Pretty enjoyable match too in my opinion.

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:06 PM
he is moving well and bh not bad it works

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:08 PM
his hair reminds me of 2006 i hope his play too:angel:

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:09 PM
Both are playing very well IMHO. This is an excellent test for Rogi, Muzza gives him quite a bit of work. It's very sad either of them will have to leave the tournament so soon, while there are also a couple of WC clowns/qualie's playing each other.

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:17 PM
Fed slices every bh like he's Gonzalez or something...

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:21 PM
No 1st serves right now...

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:22 PM
a break for murray

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:22 PM
Well deserved break by Murray, Fed didn't hit a single 1st serve the whole game.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:23 PM
Well deserved break by Murray, Fed didn't hit a single 1st serve the whole game.

Yep. Rogi should step it up again.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
Muzza steamrolling right now... :help:

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
Turns out he was lucky not to lose this in straights...

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
5-2

anon57
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
Great passing shot from Murray to take the break and a love game to follow it up.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
Ridiculous UE by Roger. o_O. This set is a goner...

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:24 PM
This is his weakest returning performance...ever?

Xristos
03-03-2008, 03:28 PM
This is his weakest returning performance...ever?

As long as he gets that W I dont care.

Minnie
03-03-2008, 03:28 PM
I've only just come back to this match ... Roger looks pretty ragged ... and not just his play either.

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Serve, forehand and volleys are A+, these are the things you can work on in training sessions.

Return of serve is C, you can't practise ROS against juniors and expect it to be the same against pros, you need to play tournaments regularly.

Blondie1985
03-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Please Roger WIN!!!!

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:30 PM
Either he's tanking the set now, or he's really *off*. Pfah.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
And of course a silly challenge to add to the misery. Second set to Muzza. Well done, well deserved.

Xristos
03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
There goes the set..

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Murray serving at 57% and not a single bp over two sets :help:

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:32 PM
fed first serve in the 2nd set 47%

lunahielo
03-03-2008, 03:33 PM
Allez, Roger!!
Take this one..please................

Blondie1985
03-03-2008, 03:34 PM
:(

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:34 PM
first serve down

Skyward
03-03-2008, 03:39 PM
It's about time to do something on return

++++++++++++++++++++++

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:43 PM
what a great point
allez rogi

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:44 PM
At least Fed is really fighting now. Quite time...

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:45 PM
... to make yet another silly challenge.

I'm getting back to my tax business now, can't watch it anymore...

anon57
03-03-2008, 03:46 PM
Some great forehands from Federer in that game, but he still hasn't had a single bp on Murray's serve.

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:50 PM
no bh winners and alot of slices

anon57
03-03-2008, 03:53 PM
Sloppy game to get broken.

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:54 PM
roger is pissing me off
what is he doing??????

Daniel
03-03-2008, 03:54 PM
Roger, please dont lose :(

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 03:55 PM
His backhand slice is killing Feds today. Ouch, this hurts. I so much trusted him to know what to do, but my eyes are telling me the opposite.

Skyward
03-03-2008, 03:56 PM
Sorry, I can't see him winning this macth.

didadida
03-03-2008, 03:57 PM
i smell a lose
but roger in the first round
i cant stand this

lunahielo
03-03-2008, 03:57 PM
Please don't give this one away!

yanchr
03-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Sorry, I can't see him winning this macth.
Me neither. But still, COME ON ROGER!!!

didadida
03-03-2008, 04:02 PM
this is so weird he was playing great in the first set
i am wondering now if he can play the high constant level the whole match

Minnie
03-03-2008, 04:02 PM
Is the unthinkable about to happen ????

didadida
03-03-2008, 04:02 PM
andy raised his first serve

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 04:04 PM
Is the unthinkable about to happen ????

It has never been unthinkable (though I didn't expect it to be honest). Murray is playing really well, and Fed just doesn't seem to have an answer. He's trying really well, but misses his shots.

Also... is it just me or does it look like Feds is sweating an awful lot?

yanchr
03-03-2008, 04:05 PM
Is the unthinkable about to happen ????
It's thinkable, given the circumstances...

Minnie
03-03-2008, 04:05 PM
It has never been unthinkable (though I didn't expect it to be honest). Murray is playing really well, and Fed just doesn't seem to have an answer. He's trying really well, but misses his shots.

Also... is it just me or does it look like Feds is sweating an awful lot?

It wasn't really unthinkable to me actually either ... I know how well Jock Boy can play ... and I knew he'd be in the right frame of mind to play Fed today.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 04:06 PM
The crowd is really behind Rogi now, but I guess it's too late. Muzza to serve for the match.

Minnie
03-03-2008, 04:07 PM
And yes ClayBuzza, we have been saying the same thing ... Fed seems to be sweating a lot more than I would normally expect him to....

didadida
03-03-2008, 04:08 PM
roger is out

didadida
03-03-2008, 04:09 PM
now it is so clear that he should get a coach to solve his problems
because nothing is working with him right now

Skyward
03-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Keep resting Rog. That's the right preparation for the big things to come. :rolleyes:

yanchr
03-03-2008, 04:11 PM
I think he actually played not too bad today. Net play was awesome, fh was there, movement was way better than AO...But he looked to me very loose in many points, all those random errors...

Roger, go back working on your game, and think...(can you cancel that stupid exo...)

Xristos
03-03-2008, 04:12 PM
Dang!

Get your act together champ.

rofe
03-03-2008, 04:14 PM
Expected Murray win. You don't get match practice, you lose. I was hoping that Fed would get lucky and Murray's level would drop off but Murray played a solid match. I am happy for Murray though. Hopefully he can get to the final given his draw.

anon57
03-03-2008, 04:14 PM
I agree with yanchr, his play actually wasn't too bad. Well except for the return of serve which was pretty poor today. But his serve forehand and movement were certainly not poor. It just wasn't good enough to defeat Murray today, who played a very good match. I hope Roger will continue working on his game, and hopefully in IW and Miami he'll be able to pick up some points.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 04:17 PM
Roger, go back working on your game, and think...(can you cancel that stupid exo...)

YES INDEED!

And *STOP* with trying that backhand slice. Not working against Rafa, not working against Djoko - and not working against Muzza either (and perhaps many more to follow...). :mad:

Dang, I'm not just disappointed with him, I actually feel a bit angry. Never expected to feel anything like that when it concerns Roger.

It's like one of your favourite bands bringing out a terrible new CD. :mad:

Rogieva
03-03-2008, 04:20 PM
нет !! :mad: нет нет нет !!!

I watched all the final set. Roger just doesn't have that fire in him! I wish he would give e few come on's, he seems so subdued! His backhand is still a worry! Especially the drive/top spin backhand, it just seems too edgy!

I am very dissapointed, i think i feel Roger is declining but I hope I am wrong!

:fiery: :mad:

Rogieva
03-03-2008, 04:21 PM
His first 1st round loss for 3 1/2 years. That isn't a coincidence. Cancel all these exho's, get your A game back and get a coach. :mad:

Eden
03-03-2008, 04:21 PM
Not a surprising result at all. We all have seen Roger being rusty after long rests. Beside this we all are aware of Murrays abilities. Bad luck for Roger to get Andy as his opponent for the 1st round.

Roger, work on your game and please get the fire and desire back.

didadida
03-03-2008, 04:23 PM
roger no more exo no more vacation no more anything just working on your problems and your game:mad:

rofe
03-03-2008, 04:27 PM
This is the first time, I feel that he needs a cupcake draw in IW. He desperately needs match practice or it will become a cascade effect of no match practice for the next tournament in Miami.

If at all he needs a coach, it is to make him play some obvious tournaments like Rotterdam to get some matches under his belt.

Rogieva
03-03-2008, 04:27 PM
however we can't take anything away from Murray you see. he did serve very well, he played to rogers major weakness at the moment a lot of the time in the second and third set which is the backhand :fiery:

SUKTUEN
03-03-2008, 04:34 PM
http://www.chocobo.cn/61211A6DB9DB3EE54FB607D6AF462859.gif

Daniel
03-03-2008, 04:43 PM
Rogerrrrrrrrrrr

you cant be losing in the 1R :fiery:

whats wrong with you Roger? :eek:

fedsfan1
03-03-2008, 04:43 PM
IMO...like some of you said...the month off really hurt him. Plus having a fired up Murray 1st rd was bad luck. It just bites that we finally get him back on court & he is gone...AGAIN...:sad:

I dare not go to GM...they are having a field day with this Murray win. He was the better player today & desearved to win. But the BS is going to fly now .... Better for my health NOT read any of it.
I know that Roger loves this game & the desire & fire are still there. Maybe he needs someone to help him locate it right about now.

I am just a wee bit nervous about him protecting his #1 spot. How much danger is he in to losing it? :eek:

be strong Roger fans....better days are to come!!!

GO ROGER

cheers
laura

nobama
03-03-2008, 04:47 PM
YES INDEED!

And *STOP* with trying that backhand slice. Not working against Rafa, not working against Djoko - and not working against Muzza either (and perhaps many more to follow...). :mad:

Dang, I'm not just disappointed with him, I actually feel a bit angry. Never expected to feel anything like that when it concerns Roger.

It's like one of your favourite bands bringing out a terrible new CD. :mad:I can't be angry because he got a rotten draw. Murray is top 5 on hard courts and Roger get's him R1. That sucks. Obviously 5 weeks off with no match play is not ideal. I know Roger was saving himself for the rest of the year but that's tough to do, because no match play and a tough draw can easily = early loss.

Anyway even on a good day Andy Murray would be trouble for a lot of guys. Rotten luck for Roger and hopefully he can get a somewhat easy draw in IW where he can work his way into the tournament.

Rogieva
03-03-2008, 04:47 PM
yes laura, just because we are going through a rough patch, i dont think any of us will abandon Roger, that is no what true fans do. trust me, do not go into GM :rolleyes: the same old rubbish being rumbled again :rolleyes:

his performance looked the same as AO to me, quiet, lack of really wanting to win. i hope in IW and Miami Roger can really look at this loss and infact both losses and see where he is going wrong!

juninhOH
03-03-2008, 04:49 PM
hahaha

seems like my happiness of seeing roger back didn't last long :(

but hey, the exo will be good to him, at least he will play a full game before indian wells. I'm sure the match will last three sets in order to give him some rythm.
[edit] don't worry, sampras only won 4 titles in 98 and was number 1. the only important tourney he won that year was wimbledon.

mangoes
03-03-2008, 05:00 PM
I can't say I'm shocked.........so much so.......I don't feel bad:o

As of late, he doesn't seem too focused on tennis :shrug: At this point, he has accomplished a lot in his career. As a fan, I have and will continue to support him:hug:

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 05:04 PM
I can't be angry because he got a rotten draw. Murray is top 5 on hard courts and Roger get's him R1. That sucks. Obviously 5 weeks off with no match play is not ideal. I know Roger was saving himself for the rest of the year but that's tough to do, because no match play and a tough draw can easily = early loss.

Anyway even on a good day Andy Murray would be trouble for a lot of guys. Rotten luck for Roger and hopefully he can get a somewhat easy draw in IW where he can work his way into the tournament.

Oh, I've just dealt with my angriness... it's over now. As for my upcoming Name Change, don't worry, it's only a joke. ;)

I will continue to support Rogi, but I can't help but be critical at times. Like I am when my other fav makes stupid decisions as well. :angel:

nobama
03-03-2008, 05:41 PM
I can't say I'm shocked.........so much so.......I don't feel bad:o

As of late, he doesn't seem too focused on tennis :shrug: At this point, he has accomplished a lot in his career. As a fan, I have and will continue to support him:hug:
What do you mean by 'he doesn't seem too focused on tennis'? Because he didn't schedule another event in between AO and Dubai? :confused:

mangoes
03-03-2008, 05:54 PM
What do you mean by 'he doesn't seem too focused on tennis'? Because he didn't schedule another event in between AO and Dubai? :confused:

My opinion had nothing to do with him not scheduling another event between Dubai and AO. For many reasons(which I'm sure will upset many), I get the sense that Roger is tired......emotional burn out.......just my opinion:) This coupled with the fact that the youngsters are getting better is going to make for a tough 08 for Roger.

nobama
03-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Oh, I've just dealt with my angriness... it's over now. As for my upcoming Name Change, don't worry, it's only a joke. ;)

I will continue to support Rogi, but I can't help but be critical at times. Like I am when my other fav makes stupid decisions as well. :angel:I'm certainly not happy when he looses. But all I know is it's easy to be critical when sitting behind a computer screen. As much as I hate to see Roger lose so early in an event, at least losses like this will really force him to take stock and re-think his schedule, training regimine, etc. I still say though it really sucked to draw someone like Murray R1 - had Nadal or Djoker drawn him they might have been sent packing too.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 06:15 PM
I'm certainly not happy when he looses. But all I know is it's easy to be critical when sitting behind a computer screen. As much as I hate to see Roger lose so early in an event, at least losses like this will really force him to take stock and re-think his schedule, training regimine, etc. I still say though it really sucked to draw someone like Murray R1 - had Nadal or Djoker drawn him they might have been sent packing too.

You are perfectly right here. We should just acknowledge that Murray played a perfect match, and Rogi... well, he wasn't there when he needed to. Indeed, a case of Bad Luck of drawing him that early - but on the other hand we must admit that Muzza was clearly the better player today.

Hopefully this loss with indeed make him rethink about things, but I'm worried about him getting even less match practice now he's out so early.

PS don't mind my (temporary) avvy & screen name. It's just my sick joking way of dealing with a loss like this. :awww: :angel:

anon57
03-03-2008, 06:20 PM
You are perfectly right here. We should just acknowledge that Murray played a perfect match, and Rogi... well, he wasn't there when he needed to. Indeed, a case of Bad Luck of drawing him that early - but on the other hand we must admit that Muzza was clearly the better player today.

Hopefully this loss with indeed make him rethink about things, but I'm worried about him getting even less match practice now he's out so early.

PS don't mind my (temporary) avvy & screen name. It's just my sick joking way of dealing with a loss like this. :awww: :angel:

Hopefully the loss will get him to rethink some things, but the downside is that going into IW, he'll have played 7 matches in two months. Maybe the draw will be easier on him at IW.

btw, you new screen name and avy are hilarious.

Blondie1985
03-03-2008, 06:37 PM
I'm so sad.......:sad::sad::sad::sad:


but Roger will bounce back, I am sure of it...



:sad:

JediFed
03-03-2008, 06:39 PM
Well, the Dubai organizers deserved this shit.

Top 5 hardcourt player in R1 while the locals play QFs? Complete and utter bullshit.

The whole point of being number 1 is that you get better draws in the first round. What's the point of being number one when you get the absolute WORST FUCKING DRAW in the entire tournament of all the seeded players?

I said this earlier that it was complete bullshit, it's never happened before to anybody. Not Sampras, Not Connors. Not Lendl.

I am so pissed right now at Federer. I was hoping he'd bring his A game and he played like complete and utter garbage.

JediFed
03-03-2008, 06:40 PM
I put 800 on Fed, because I thought he'd come out on fire, not be flat. :(

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 06:50 PM
I put 800 on Fed, because I thought he'd come out on fire, not be flat. :(

Actually, he wasn't that flat at all. He did very well in the first set against a really TOP playing Murray, and in the second his game level went down while Murray managed to up his. Rogi was really struggling out there and just couldn't manage against a better player today. It's harsh but true.

Yes, it's bad luck he drew Muzza right away in the first round, but if Muzza keeps on playing like he did today, there will be many more seeds following Rogi's example the 'way out'-sign. :tape:

JediFed
03-03-2008, 06:52 PM
He needs to hire a coach, and he needs to do well at IW and Miami. No more excuses. I don't care what Fed insists that he's ok. No, you are NOT ok. Is Roche available? When he was with Roche he won the AO in straight sets.

Remind me why he fired Roche again?

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 06:53 PM
Well, the Dubai organizers deserved this shit.

Top 5 hardcourt player in R1 while the locals play QFs? Complete and utter bullshit.

The whole point of being number 1 is that you get better draws in the first round. What's the point of being number one when you get the absolute WORST FUCKING DRAW in the entire tournament of all the seeded players?

I said this earlier that it was complete bullshit, it's never happened before to anybody. Not Sampras, Not Connors. Not Lendl.

I am so pissed right now at Federer. I was hoping he'd bring his A game and he played like complete and utter garbage.

I can see you are disappointed, but this hasn't got anything to do with the Dubai organizers. This tournament has only EIGHT seeded players (it's nothing new, it's always been like that, as long as I remember), so yes, the seeded players might bump into a #9, #10 or whatever player in their first round. The only thing that is sure about the draws is that the #1 and #2 are on opposite sites, and that they won't meet any other seeded player before the QF. The rest of the draw is distributed purely by chance among the various sides of the draw. Anything can happen, and SHOULD happen, or else the draw would indeed be rigged!

Rogi had the bad luck to draw a really on-fire Muzza (who happens to be a player who I consider a lock-in for the top-10 very soon ideed), who was the better player today. That's all. :shrug:

JediFed
03-03-2008, 07:08 PM
I can see you are disappointed, but this hasn't got anything to do with the Dubai organizers.


It has everything to do with them. I'm sorry. Their locals are getting QF vs QF draws, and you are telling me that it's not fixed? I think it's clear and that the fix was in from the start.


This tournament has only EIGHT seeded players (it's nothing new, it's always been like that, as long as I remember), so yes, the seeded players might bump into a #9, #10 or whatever player in their first round.


It's never happened. 30 years of tennis, I am telling you, it has never happened before. Ever. Not Connors, not Sampras, not Lendl, regardless of whether the tournament was a 32 draw or not. The odds are very, very much against such a matchup.


The only thing that is sure about the draws is that the #1 and #2 are on opposite sites, and that they won't meet any other seeded player before the QF. The rest of the draw is distributed purely by chance among the various sides of the draw. Anything can happen, and SHOULD happen, or else the draw would indeed be rigged!


Then why did they make sure the local got a QF draw? I'm sorry. I don't believe that Dubai is being honest with their draw.


Rogi had the bad luck to draw a really on-fire Muzza (who happens to be a player who I consider a lock-in for the top-10 very soon ideed), who was the better player today. That's all.


Murray should have been seeded. Funny how the 1st round loss in AO comes back to bite Fed again. Ao has been disastrous for Federer this year. :(

JediFed
03-03-2008, 07:12 PM
Heck, I'd take ANY of the other 32 over Murray in the first round for Federer.

Even Djokovic and Nadal. Federer has winning records over both of them on Hard. I'm so gutted but I said so right in the beginnning that the draw was ridiculous.

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 07:52 PM
It has everything to do with them. I'm sorry. Their locals are getting QF vs QF draws, and you are telling me that it's not fixed? I think it's clear and that the fix was in from the start.

No, I'm in fact trying to explain to you that it WASN'T at all fixed, and the mere fact that Rogi drew a very tough opponent in the very first round is in fact proof of this. Do you really think the tournament organizers wanted their #1 seed to lose as soon as he did? I don't think so.

It's never happened. 30 years of tennis, I am telling you, it has never happened before. Ever. Not Connors, not Sampras, not Lendl, regardless of whether the tournament was a 32 draw or not. The odds are very, very much against such a matchup.

Look, I don't know how much or little you know about statistics and chances, but although this chance is small, it DOES exist. It's the same thing as rolling a dice twenty times and getting nineteen sixes. The odds for that to happen aren't big, but they are THERE.

Then why did they make sure the local got a QF draw? I'm sorry. I don't believe that Dubai is being honest with their draw.

For the EXACT same reason as noted above. That just happens in a random draw where there are only 8 seeds in a field of 32. Not likely... but possible.

Murray should have been seeded. Funny how the 1st round loss in AO comes back to bite Fed again. Ao has been disastrous for Federer this year. :(

No - it's quite simple, Dubai has only eight seeded players. Murray is not among the eight players with the highest rankings, so he is unseeded, whatever you may think about it - it's only fair.

Mind you, I'm not happy about Rogi's draw at all - but it is fair, and the fact is that Bad Luck indeed happens.

Mechlan
03-03-2008, 08:02 PM
It has everything to do with them. I'm sorry. Their locals are getting QF vs QF draws, and you are telling me that it's not fixed? I think it's clear and that the fix was in from the start.

It's never happened. 30 years of tennis, I am telling you, it has never happened before. Ever. Not Connors, not Sampras, not Lendl, regardless of whether the tournament was a 32 draw or not. The odds are very, very much against such a matchup.

Then why did they make sure the local got a QF draw? I'm sorry. I don't believe that Dubai is being honest with their draw.

Murray should have been seeded. Funny how the 1st round loss in AO comes back to bite Fed again. Ao has been disastrous for Federer this year. :(

Dude, chill. It was a tough draw, but he's Roger Federer.

Roger needs to realize that his game is changing. His scheduling needs to reflect this. The reason he could (indeed, the reason he needed to) play as few tournaments as he did was because he would win just about every tournament he entered. If he plays only the same tournaments he played in 2006 this year and continues to be upset along the way, he'll end up having played something like 50 matches at the end of the year.

His game is still there. He'll have more off days and lose more than he used to, but ultimately his game is still there. But it's up to him to understand that he isn't the same player he used to be and the rest of the field is also better than it used to be. He's had his rest, it's time for him to put in serious effort now if he wants to keep #1.

Jackie Stephens
03-03-2008, 08:04 PM
From all the threads that I have read, I see almost evryone here is a Fed fan.

nobama
03-03-2008, 08:04 PM
Dude, chill. It was a tough draw, but he's Roger Federer.

Roger needs to realize that his game is changing. His scheduling needs to reflect this. The reason he could (indeed, the reason he needed to) play as few tournaments as he did was because he would win just about every tournament he entered. If he plays only the same tournaments he played in 2006 this year and continues to be upset along the way, he'll end up having played something like 50 matches at the end of the year.

His game is still there. He'll have more off days and lose more than he used to, but ultimately his game is still there. But it's up to him to understand that he isn't the same player he used to be and the rest of the field is also better than it used to be. He's had his rest, it's time for him to put in serious effort now if he wants to keep #1.Great post. :worship:

Sunset of Age
03-03-2008, 08:14 PM
From all the threads that I have read, I see almost evryone here is a Fed fan.

You're not saying that that is in fact a surprise to you here, eh? :confused:
Welcome to the forum, BTW. :wavey:

Jackie Stephens
03-03-2008, 08:15 PM
Massu.....

RogiFan88
03-03-2008, 08:27 PM
clayb... your avy is good enough for this week...

We knew this match w be a tough one w in-form, two title-winner Muzza, who's feeling confident, and even more smug now that he has beaten ROGI again... altho it wasn't in easy straight sets at least. Rogi now in his "2nd career" phase, will have to rethink his perspective, as he is not winning as easily nor as often, which is to be expected after so many years of amazing success. His peers are all but already down, exc Pandy w his occasional title(s) per year and still in the Top 10 somehow -- look at Maratski, Juanqui and Lleyton -- as for Nalby-come-lately, he's just STARTING his real career, being somewhat retarded in his progress :p! So Rogi's done amazingly well, being so ultra-consistent year after year.

It's about time the young guys started winning anyway... that's the way it's supposed to be... still waiting for Richou to do sth big... not necessarily v. Rogi, mind you...

I don't think any other top guy could fend off a persistent and relentlessly annoying No 2, and then have to also contend w a fast-rising No 3 on his tail... only Rogi!

So really what Rogi needed was matchplay before Dubai and he still hasn't got it going into IW... we have to hope that he can somehow get into some kind of gear for IW -- at least there and in Miami, he's NOT the defending champ nor the finalist nor the semifinalist nor the quarterfinalist... he can actually GAIN points for a change... let the other defending champs lose their points... for once the shoe will be on the other guys' feet [that's one shoe for two guys and four feet... ]...

Sad to see Rogi lose in R1 but Muzza played well, has won two titles, is in-form, has confidence bordering on smugness... what can you do? It's in the past already. At least Rogi pushed it to three sets therefore giving him some matchplay [which is what he was hoping for... ].

I shall cheer for a different winner this week -- how about Ferru? or Richou?

Looking ahead to IW.

Rogiman
03-03-2008, 08:38 PM
The defeat stings, but there are many positives about it.

First, it is a healthy wake-up call.

Second, I liked the quality of the fh and the serve, and these two are the core of his game. He may not win RG with that kind of bh, but these 2 weapons will make him a threat in every one of the other 3 for a long time.

The #1 is a lost cause and I couldn't care less about it, it is those 2 missing Slams I care about and I'm confident he'll get them somewhere along the way, especially if he plays regularly (like any other ATP player) and maintains a solid return game.

RogiFan88
03-03-2008, 08:46 PM
The defeat stings, but there are many positives about it.

First, it is a healthy wake-up call.

Second, I liked the quality of the fh and the serve, and these two are the core of his game. He may not win RG with that kind of bh, but these 2 weapons will make him a threat in every one of the other 3 for a long time.

The #1 is a lost cause and I couldn't care less about it, it is those 2 missing Slams I care about and I'm confident he'll get them somewhere along the way, especially if he plays regularly (like any other ATP player) and maintains a solid return game.

I don't care about No 1 that much either... Rogi's already been No 1 for 214 weeks as of today, which is fantastic!

What 2 missing slams?? I care about the "missing" slam, RG...

Yes, Rogi will have to learn to win when he's down or not playing his best tennis, which he hasn't been for some time... maybe at TMCShanghai07F... it just gets tougher as he gets older and all these young guys have been studying him [he's the model, the example] and they are totally familiar w his game... players are improving because of Rogi, w his high standards... they have to in order to challenge or beat him...

ExpectedWinner
03-03-2008, 08:59 PM
.I care about the "missing" slam, RG...



I'm not sure that RG is a realistic goal. Fed lost a step (started last march), lost his reflexes on returns (started last fall). He's not winning long rallies. BH has been absent since Roche's departure. He's playing like a rookie on important points. I could write a dissertation on his fitness and schedule, but it'll be a broken record again (the losses to Nalby/Gonzalez/Murray after winning the 1st set is something to think about).

He's starting to feel his "tennis" age. It's normal. But 2 tournaments in 4 month and 10 days of practicing (last minute fix) don't help the cause.

RogiFan88
03-03-2008, 09:20 PM
I don't know about RG. Fed's lost a step (started last march), lost his reflexes on returns (started last fall). He's not winning long rallies. BH has been absent since Roche's departure. He's playing like a rookie on important points. I could write a dissertation on his fitness and schedule, but it'll be a broken record again (the losses to Nalby/Gonzalez/Murray after winning the 1st set is something to think about).


so w the way Rogi's been playing lately, if he can't win RG this year, what can he win then?

[and what does he have to do differently in order to win RG, more importantly... just go out and play his tennis, regardless of the opponent? funny enough, Rogi has played better at RG SINCE TFA has dominated the clay... before that he either lost R1 or barely made the 2nd week altho he made the QF in 01 when Corretja beat him and he's never been comfortable there anyway, esp on PC court]