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Among the Rafa demolishers on HC, who has the best chance of beating Rafa on clay?

konyalikartal
01-25-2008, 05:21 PM
The question is simple and excludes Federer. I am waiting for your comments. Also tell the match that you want to see most. Also I add Tipsarevic because of the Federer match. He is a talented guy and doesn't fear from Federer. It is a possibility that he can demolish Rafa on HC. The match between Rafa and him on clay would be very interesting.

Jillian
01-25-2008, 05:25 PM
I think the person most likely to defeat Rafa on clay this year is David Ferrer. I think he stands a better chance than anybody. If Rafa does not win the French Open again this year, then I say it will be Ferrer not Federer that does.

l_mac
01-25-2008, 05:32 PM
All of them. No doubt.

Great poll :yeah:

Can't choose which beatdown I'd like to see more.

KitinovRules
01-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Noone, he will destroy all of them easily.

Bad Religion
01-25-2008, 05:45 PM
Pics

Beforehand
01-25-2008, 05:46 PM
I would consider Youzhny, Tsonga, and Blake people that should be lucky if they could win a set off of the boy on clay.

tennizen
01-25-2008, 05:46 PM
Nalbandian and Ferrer. The rest are relative mugs on clay. Btw Djokovic's head-head with Rafa on hard/indoor is 2-2. Not exactly a demolisher:)

+alonso
01-25-2008, 05:47 PM
Nalbandian maybe.
Well, Andreev in a good day

Shabazza
01-25-2008, 05:49 PM
Nalbandian. The other guys won't have much of a chance with Ferrer being in 2nd place.

anousleshommes@h
01-25-2008, 05:52 PM
if tsonga even get a glance at a break of serve, chances are he'll steamroll past

Renaud
01-25-2008, 05:55 PM
I don't think Tsonga has MUCH MORE chance to beat Nadal on clay than Roddick would have...
I think Nalbandian in a hot day can do it.

l_mac
01-25-2008, 05:55 PM
if tsonga even get a glance at a break of serve, chances are he'll steamroll past

Do you watch much claycourt tennis?

Renaud
01-25-2008, 05:56 PM
BTW why is tipsarevic in the poll ? :p

Beforehand
01-25-2008, 05:57 PM
I think Nalbandian in a hot day can do it.
I had to read this post like three times before I realized you weren't talking about hot temperatures. Until then, I was like "Really, Nalbandian in hot weather? Like..really?"

CooCooCachoo
01-25-2008, 05:58 PM
Tsonga is someone who purposely avoids clay, so I doubt he'll steamroll Nadal on clay.

Renaud
01-25-2008, 05:59 PM
I had to read this post like three times before I realized you weren't talking about hot temperatures. Until then, I was like "Really, Nalbandian in hot weather? Like..really?"

Sorry my english is not very good. I'll try to improve it :wavey:

Clara Bow
01-25-2008, 06:02 PM
Sorry my english in not very good. I'll try to improve it :wavey:


You are giving it a good go. :)

Beforehand
01-25-2008, 06:07 PM
Sorry my english in not very good. I'll try to improve it :wavey:

It was absolutely fine. It's just that you can't read emphasis in written text sometimes. Nobody's fault, just a weakness of the medium.

DDrago2
01-25-2008, 06:13 PM
Nalbandian

RonE
01-25-2008, 06:16 PM
As Bilbo would say- the answer you are looking for is D. Nalbandian.

And even then I would give him a chance of 45-55 at best.

rofe
01-25-2008, 06:18 PM
Nalby. It is a joke to include Blake and Youzhny and Tsonga hasn't played enough to know his potential on clay yet.

Xavidbz
01-25-2008, 06:26 PM
Same as the last 3 years:

ˇ if he plays only Montecarlo, Rome, Barcelona and RG, no one, like in '05 and '06

ˇ if he plays also in Hamburg, any top 15/20 can beat him in quarters, semifinals or final (which is still a good performance, knowing that he should be dead tired)

stebs
01-25-2008, 06:30 PM
Djokovic, Ferrer and Nalbandian are the only three in that list with hopes.

GuiroNl
01-25-2008, 06:36 PM
I can't wait for the clay court season to be honest. All those Nadal beatdowns lately aren't fun if Nadal is your favorite player.

Regarding the poll. Nalbandian, but I don't see him doing it. I also don't understand how Tipsarevic is a Nadal demolisher?

Chris Seahorse
01-25-2008, 06:42 PM
Nalby. It is a joke to include Blake and Youzhny and Tsonga hasn't played enough to know his potential on clay yet.

I think the limited amount Tsonga plays on clay indicates that Tsonga at least does know his potential on clay.

To answer toe question Ferrer, Nalbandian and Andreev on a really great day would be Nadal's biggest threats on clay but obviously Nadal is still an overwhelming favorite regardless who he plays on clay.

hra87
01-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Ferrer I think is the biggest threat, since Nalby isn't "on" very often and may very well lose before he gets to Nadal now that he's ranking is pretty high.

Djokovic shouldn't be underestimated, though, since he has a pretty good Clay game and he takes high balls very well.

All in all, I'm not THAT worried.

MariaV
01-25-2008, 07:29 PM
As I could only vote for one I voted for Ferrer but Nalby's also right there, depending on the day.
Djokovic on clay? I certainly hope not.

l_mac
01-25-2008, 07:37 PM
Djokovic shouldn't be underestimated, though, since he has a pretty good Clay game and he takes high balls very well.



He plays exactly the same on clay as he does on hard :shrug: But if your point is that he has a very solid game, that could do well on all surfaces, then I agree.

Truc
01-25-2008, 07:47 PM
I think the limited amount Tsonga plays on clay indicates that Tsonga at least does know his potential on clay.That's not what he says though, Tsonga keeps saying he's good on clay. For example when he explains in May 2007 why he doesn't play in RG:
Contrairement à ce que les gens pensent ce n’est pas parce que je crois que je n’ai pas ma chance sur terre battue. (...) Je sais que je peux super bien jouer sur terre, et les années qui vont venir je suis sûr que je vais faire un truc sympa à Roland Garros.
J’ai le tennis pour jouer sur terre battue, tout le monde pense le contraire car les gens ne me voient pas jouer… Personne ne sait comment je joue exactement, quelles sont mes forces et j’ai vachement évolué depuis 2/3 ans ! En junior j’ai super bien joué ! Non mais j’ai toujours bien joué sur terre, c’est juste que les 2 dernières années j’étais blessé, ou j’ai joué diminué ! J’ai été champion d’Europe Cadet sur terre en battant des gars comme Berdych, Nadal, Baghdatis… tous ces mecs là ! Je pense que l’année prochaine ça devrait le faire ! J’ai largement ma chance sur terre battue….
http://frenchballs.loco-web.com/tsonga/page_online3-mai07.htm

(He can play very well on clay and he's sure he will do something nice in Roland-Garros in the next few years. He has the game to be good on clay, people think the opposite because they don't see him play, but he has changed so much in the past 2-3 years. It's not the reason why he doesn't play RG in 2007, etc. etc.)

CyBorg
01-25-2008, 08:43 PM
Eh, Tsonga's too inexperienced to beat Nadal on clay. He showed signs of breaking out on hardcourts before, so it wasn't completely out of the blue.

Djokovic is probably the guy with the best shot. Nalbandian the wildcard.

Dan's Racket
01-25-2008, 08:46 PM
Possibly his compatriot Ferrer.

Merton
01-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Rafa is finished, it is clear that he will have an 80 match losing streak on clay.

vincayou
01-25-2008, 10:10 PM
Tsonga, like Murray keeps saying he likes clay. Both have to prove they are mildly dangerous on it before even thinking of taking a set off Nadal.

cmurray
01-25-2008, 10:10 PM
Rafa is finished, it is clear that he will have an 80 match losing streak on clay.

:lol:

But this brings up a valid point. Watching Rafa's hardcourt form quite makes one forget how very VERY good he is on clay. I'm guilty of it too.

leng jai
01-25-2008, 10:19 PM
Its amazing how much difference a court surface can make.

Exodus
01-25-2008, 10:31 PM
basically all of the pluss some more can beat nadal on clay on their day. i don't think nadal is unbeatable on clay...

Dimonator133
01-25-2008, 10:46 PM
TOMAS BERDYCH is an option!??!?!?!

:haha::haha:

that is literally the funniest thing I have seen on this board:bowdown::yeah:

ReturnWinner
01-25-2008, 10:47 PM
Tipsarevic is way funnier

ReturnWinner
01-25-2008, 10:48 PM
Nalbandian and Pics btw

Dimonator133
01-25-2008, 10:50 PM
Tipsarevic is way funnier

oh jesus, i must have blocked Tipsarevic out my eyesight. Well, that's funny but that's a joke. Berdych is just so hilarious because it's actually SERIOUS!

Marek.
01-25-2008, 10:57 PM
Nalbandian on a really good day and maybe Pics.

sheeter
01-25-2008, 10:59 PM
I can see Ferrer wear him down again like he did at the U.S.

Blue Heart24
01-25-2008, 11:15 PM
Why the hell did you include Blake?

Blake to beat Nadal on clay?:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

WTF?:spit:


Then why no Roddick?:sad:

Henry Chinaski
01-26-2008, 01:33 AM
The title and 1st post are pretty self-explanatory you mugs.
He didn't say any of them way likely to beat him on clay.

Anyway, I think it's more likely that he'll lose to a big hitter who has a freak day and just paints the lines all day than to a clay court grinder. Over best of 3 I'd give Berdych or Blake a slight hope if Rafa was having problems with his foot/knee/ass. No chance at RG. Only Nalbandian or Djokovic would have a shot there. I'll say Nalbandian if forced to\ give a definitive answer to the question.

Monaco should probably be on the list even if his HC win was a retirement. It remains to be seen if he'll continue to improve this year but he has the potential to be top 5 on clay at least if he's not there already.

Johnny Groove
01-26-2008, 03:20 AM
Pics is too short

hra87
01-26-2008, 03:48 AM
He plays exactly the same on clay as he does on hard :shrug: But if your point is that he has a very solid game, that could do well on all surfaces, then I agree.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. He's Davydenko + 4 inches, and Davydenko is probably the second or third best player on clay right now. His game translates well to clay, Davydenko isn't a natural claycourter either, but they're both pretty good. Djokovic uses a lot of topspin on his forehand (full western), is willing to let the point play out, moves well, is tall and deals well with high balls, etc.

But I still don't really think anyone outside of a really in form Nalbandian would pose any serious trouble if Rafa plays well, and even he isn't exactly a natural claycourter either. But we'll see.

jcempire
01-26-2008, 06:47 AM
Djokovic is the guy so far

But I don't think anyone will beat Nadal this year on clay. No absolute not

James Blake beat Nadal on Hard Court, that maybe too easy, But Clay king Nadal is not going to lose any game this year

_§_
01-26-2008, 11:34 AM
Nalbandian and Tsonga :)

keroni
01-26-2008, 12:16 PM
Gaudio.

Only.. he hasn't demolished Rafa on HC yet.

Saturn66
01-27-2008, 05:33 AM
Nalbandian.